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2:08

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2:17

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2:23

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3:12

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3:16

This week we selected Michelle Herriot.

3:19

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3:21

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3:23

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3:25

Well, thank you, Atkinson. Thank you to

3:28

everyone. Gibbs right now on

3:30

True Crime All the Time. We have an episode

3:32

out on Patrick Anthony

3:35

Russo. This guy was an

3:37

ex-convict. We're down

3:39

in the Austin, Texas area. And

3:42

basically he was casing houses.

3:45

Great. Yeah, posing as a potential

3:48

buyer, looking for

3:50

a victim. Yeah. And

3:53

we found one in a woman

3:55

named Diane Hollick. He's

3:57

definitely a creep. So definitely check

3:59

that out. All right, buddy. Are you ready to get into this

4:01

episode of true crime all the time? Unsolved.

4:04

I am ready. We're talking about the

4:07

disappearance of Zeb Quinn

4:09

and We have these every

4:12

now and then where it's really

4:14

more unresolved Than it

4:16

is unsolved. They pretty much know

4:19

who's responsible and and

4:21

you know I don't want to give it away But we'll we'll

4:23

talk about it as we get into it Zeb

4:26

Quinn went missing soon after clocking

4:29

out of work on January 2nd 2000 the

4:32

details surrounding his disappearance

4:34

are highly suspicious and Zeb

4:37

has never been found the police

4:39

have focused on one suspect for

4:41

two decades and he has told the police

4:44

What happened to Zeb Zeb's

4:46

case remains? Unresolved and

4:48

the alleged killer is dead So,

4:51

you know the person pretty much admitted

4:53

to what happened and

4:56

we'll go through all the details But they

4:58

can't really do anything to

5:01

him

5:02

Zeb Wayne Quinn was born on May

5:04

12th 1981 he was only 18

5:07

when he disappeared Zeb's parents

5:10

Denise the hockey's and

5:12

Jerry Quinn divorced when he was two

5:14

years old Zeb graduated high school

5:16

in 1999 he lived with his mother

5:19

in Arden, North Carolina and Continued

5:22

his part-time job in the electronics

5:24

department at a Walmart in Asheville

5:27

He was enrolled in classes at

5:29

Asheville Buncombe Technical Community

5:32

College and had talked about joining

5:35

a management training program at

5:37

Walmart I love Asheville. It's

5:39

a great city. Yeah, it really is I like

5:42

North Carolina in general. Yeah, my wife

5:44

and I had talked about possibly, you

5:47

know, maybe Moving there sometime

5:50

in our senior years Okay,

5:52

maybe then you go through the management program

5:55

at Walmart. I actually did. Yeah. Yeah,

5:57

I started working at Walmart while

5:59

I I was in college, I was pushing

6:01

carts, and very quickly,

6:04

I worked in a department, and then I was

6:06

a department head, and then I was

6:09

an assistant manager. There's a

6:11

reason why I got out of it. There's actually a couple

6:13

of reasons. Number one, the hours

6:16

are unbelievable. As

6:18

an assistant manager, the pay wasn't

6:21

bad for, I was like 22 years

6:23

old, making a pretty good amount

6:25

of money, but also working 70 plus

6:28

hours a week, probably. And

6:31

they can move you anywhere, basically

6:34

in the country at any time. The

6:36

way it works is like one of those Walmart trucks

6:38

pulls up to your house,

6:41

and they load your stuff up, and you're off

6:43

to another state. You're gone. I wasn't

6:45

about that, and my wife wasn't into that

6:48

because all of our family is here, so. And you

6:50

really were just the assistant to the assistant. Yeah.

6:52

Assistant manager. Yes, Dwight K. Schrute.

6:55

Right. Numerous people who talked

6:57

about Zeb spoke about what

6:59

a good kid he was. Zeb was kind

7:01

and a very responsible person. And

7:04

this is the type of kid who didn't come home

7:06

late without calling his mother, and

7:09

he often paged her to tell her what

7:11

he was up to. I love the old

7:13

pager days. You were probably one of

7:15

those guys that had three, four

7:17

pagers on you. No, but I did have

7:19

a pager for work. And

7:22

I thought at the time, man, this is pretty cool

7:24

technology. Yeah. I

7:26

think it really was. Did you ever protect yourself, the

7:29

number sequence, so it would make words? Like

7:32

boob or something? No. I'm

7:34

not, I wasn't that juvenile. Okay. I

7:37

forget I asked that then. Patty Andrick,

7:39

Zeb's supervisor in the electronics

7:41

department told the Asheville Citizen

7:44

Times, he'd call me every morning just

7:46

to talk or to see if he'd gotten

7:48

everything done he was supposed to. He's

7:50

the kind of guy I'd want my daughter

7:53

to marry. And that is high

7:55

praise, man. It really is. Because

7:58

most people, most. as I

8:00

should say, it's very tough to

8:03

find someone who you think

8:06

is worthy of marrying your daughter.

8:08

It's a tough card to fill. It is. Zeb's

8:11

sister, Brandy, Staney told the paper,

8:14

"'My brother's only downfall was that

8:16

he was naive "'and gave everyone

8:19

the benefit of the doubt.'" And

8:21

there are a lot of people like that. Whether

8:24

you wanna use the word naive,

8:27

trusting,

8:29

or that

8:30

they just wanna see the good in people and

8:33

maybe they're not looking for

8:35

the bad and therefore they don't see it. Patty

8:38

Andrick told the Asheville Citizen Times

8:40

that before his disappearance, Zeb

8:43

expressed concerns about his safety

8:45

and made comments that his life had been

8:48

threatened because of his association

8:50

with a young woman. And I think

8:53

as a parent, that would be scary

8:55

if your child came to them and said, I

8:58

think my life's in danger. Yeah, you'd have

9:00

to be concerned, alarmed.

9:03

I don't know what you do. I mean, every situation's

9:05

a little different, but on January

9:08

2nd, 2000, Zeb went to work

9:10

at Walmart. He ran into his former

9:13

coworker and acquaintance, 24-year-old

9:16

Robert Jason Owens, who went by the

9:18

name Jason. Zeb sometimes

9:20

went fishing or played pool

9:22

with him. You know, one thing we haven't

9:24

said yet is, how amazed are

9:26

we? This is January 2nd, 2000. I

9:29

mean, the world was supposed to end and

9:32

just a few days before and it didn't.

9:35

And yeah, I remember that

9:37

time

9:38

very

9:39

distinctly. I never bought into

9:42

it, but I know a lot of people did. And

9:44

there was a grave concern

9:47

by many that, you know, we were

9:49

headed for a disaster. Zeb told

9:51

Jason, he was looking to buy a car. And

9:53

Jason said he knew a car for sale and

9:56

Leister that Zeb might be

9:58

interested in. He also, offered to lead

10:00

Zeb there afterward. Zeb clocked

10:03

out at 9.10 pm. The store

10:05

is located on Hendersonville Road.

10:07

Zeb followed Jason towards Long

10:10

Shoals Road. He was driving his 1990 Mazda

10:12

Protégé. The

10:16

two stopped at a sit-go store on the corner

10:18

of Hendersonville and Long Shoals

10:21

Road to buy sodas. Zeb

10:23

got back into his car and

10:25

continued following Jason. According

10:27

to Jason, Zeb received a message on his

10:30

pager. Moments later, he flashed

10:32

his lights and the two guys

10:34

pulled off the road. Zeb got out

10:36

of his car and asked Jason if

10:39

he had a phone he could use, but he didn't.

10:42

Zeb drove off to find a payphone and

10:44

returned about 10 minutes later around 9.30

10:46

pm. Now cell

10:48

phones were out

10:51

at this time, but we've talked about

10:53

it before. Not everyone had one.

10:56

Yeah, they were still pretty limited. And

10:58

expensive. And they were expensive. I

11:01

want to say I had my

11:03

first cell phone sometime

11:05

in the late 90s. I don't remember

11:08

exactly what year it was, but

11:10

I thought it was X amount

11:13

of dollars for about 30 minutes

11:15

a month. I think you're right. I think it was pretty

11:18

limited. Yeah. I mean, and if you wanted

11:20

more, it got expensive in a hurry

11:22

and there was no data because

11:24

the phones didn't work that way. You

11:27

were either calling somebody or that

11:29

was it. And they weren't playing Tetris or

11:31

whatever. And they were huge.

11:34

Yeah. And they were pretty large. You

11:36

sure as heck weren't watching TikToks. No

11:39

you were not. Because there

11:41

was no TikTok. But this is something

11:43

that, you know, maybe a lot of people listening

11:46

have never had to do. Think

11:48

about that. Try to find a payphone

11:51

so that you could make a phone call. I

11:54

mean, we're so spoiled now that

11:56

I can hit a button on my

11:59

steering wheel. and tell the

12:01

car who i want to call i don't even have to pick

12:03

up the phone no you don't. Pretty

12:05

soon you just have to think it

12:07

where we had it

12:08

gonna come you watch. Well we're

12:11

not that far off i told you

12:13

that story about the youtube

12:15

videos commercials pop

12:18

up. Are for things that i

12:20

think i talked with my wife about somebody

12:23

is listening to me they are in it scared.

12:25

That hit jason's

12:28

truck when he pulled out behind him

12:31

promised to pay for the damage and said he

12:33

received another page. And couldn't

12:35

go to see the car he drove

12:38

away and this was the last time jason

12:40

saw so i mean what's the first thing

12:42

that comes to your mind about this interaction.

12:46

It's a little strange right what's the sense

12:48

of urgency what happened yes

12:50

and was rattle. Why

12:53

the page in the phone call to

12:56

the point where i mean he is

12:58

jason's truck when he gets back. Is

13:01

it because he was shaken up the

13:03

knees reported missing on january

13:06

third after he didn't come home. He

13:08

sent the first of five pages to

13:11

starting at nine thirty four p.m. He

13:13

didn't answer any of them at first she

13:16

thought he was playing pool with his friends

13:19

and forgot to call her but she became

13:21

worried as time passed.

13:24

And this was a time when it

13:26

was much harder to get a hold of people

13:28

then it is today there were no apps

13:31

to. Track someone

13:33

to see exactly where they were you

13:36

either left the phone message

13:38

or you left the page and you had to wait

13:40

for them to call you back i'm so glad

13:43

i didn't have a pager at that time when i

13:45

was that age. Mom would

13:47

have text me page

13:49

me every minute

13:51

or phone yeah cuz there's no cell phones

13:54

when you were that is exactly so she

13:56

would have she would have paid me every

13:58

minute until she finally.

13:59

I

14:00

either I've showed up or I called I

14:03

know she would have did every minute. Why? And

14:05

I do. I think what that

14:07

has led to is, and

14:10

we've talked about it in terms of true crime.

14:13

Is it harder to get away with things

14:15

today

14:16

because of, of certain technology? Yeah.

14:18

Maybe. And I would say, yeah, probably so.

14:21

Also harder for kids to get away with certain

14:23

things. Like we used to back in the

14:25

day. Oh, I think it's, it's much harder

14:28

for kids to get away with things today. I

14:30

mean, they're pretty, pretty smart.

14:32

Oh, they'll figure out a way to circumvent it.

14:34

Yeah. But it's still harder. On

14:37

January 4th, Zeb supervisor,

14:39

Patricia Andrick answered a call

14:42

at Walmart from a man who claimed

14:44

to be Zeb saying he couldn't come

14:46

in. She noticed that his voice didn't

14:49

sound like Zeb and she asked him questions

14:51

to try to trip him up to prove

14:53

that he wasn't Zeb. She dialed

14:56

star 69 and discovered that

14:58

the call came from Volvo

15:00

construction equipment. The police

15:03

learned that Jason Owens worked

15:05

there. When he was questioned, Jason

15:08

said Zeb had asked him to call Walmart

15:10

on his behalf. And he didn't know that

15:13

Zeb never came home. You ever called a friend

15:15

in before? Ah, I

15:17

think I've called maybe for

15:19

a girlfriend, almost like a Ferris

15:22

Bueller's day off type situation. Okay.

15:24

I remember doing that. I don't know if I've ever

15:26

called pretending to be a friend because

15:29

the friend could just call themselves, I think, but

15:32

this like very early here is

15:34

not looking good for Jason. Oh,

15:37

no, it's not. Denise told the

15:40

Asheville citizen times that Jason

15:42

passed a polygraph. The police

15:44

initially told Denise that Zeb's

15:47

disappearance didn't seem suspicious.

15:49

What concerned her the most was that he

15:52

didn't take any extra clothes with him. And

15:54

he left his contact solution at home

15:57

as the days passed. He didn't withdraw any

15:59

money. from his bank account and he

16:01

never enrolled in classes at the

16:04

technical college. We hear some

16:06

of these things in other cases we've done, but

16:09

I'm not really sure why the contact solution

16:11

stuff pops up because I'm assuming

16:13

you can get it at any store, you

16:16

know, drug store, convenience

16:18

store. Maybe the contact

16:20

solution isn't that big a deal, but if

16:23

that's all you have, contact and

16:25

you're planning and you have to wear them every day, why

16:27

wouldn't you take solution if you're planning

16:30

on being gone? Probably to me,

16:33

the bigger deal is why no

16:35

clothes and even bigger than

16:37

that. Not withdrawing any

16:39

money. Yeah. The money is the bigger thing. She

16:42

and Zeb's sister, Brandy didn't believe

16:45

he would want to run away. Zeb

16:47

loved his job and he was a happy

16:49

person. And this is something, you know,

16:52

that we hear a lot as well. And it's

16:54

not that family always knows,

16:56

right? Exactly what everyone

16:59

is dealing with. But I think by

17:01

and large they do. They know

17:03

when they're around their

17:06

child day in and day out, right?

17:08

Is this the type of person who is happy?

17:11

They're, they're enjoying life. Why

17:13

would they want to run away? Yeah. I

17:15

mean, maybe the parents can be a little

17:18

cloudy on it, but more than your sibling

17:20

is going to be more in tune. Yep. Might have a better

17:23

handle on the situation on January

17:26

16th. Zeb's car was found in the

17:28

parking lot of little pigs

17:30

barbecue on McDowell street

17:33

in Asheville. Why do you look hungry all

17:35

sudden? Well, you know, they have some good barbecue

17:38

in the Carolinas. They do. According

17:40

to captain Ted Lambert from the Asheville

17:43

PD, the car had not been there

17:45

since January 2nd restaurant

17:47

employees also said the car wasn't

17:49

there at 5pm the day before. So

17:52

that's pretty interesting, right?

17:55

This appears on January 2nd.

17:58

The car it's seen. arrives

18:01

in the parking lot either on the night

18:03

of the 15th or the morning of

18:05

the 16th. So the question

18:08

is, where was it for the

18:10

previous two weeks? And who parked it there?

18:12

And who ultimately parked it there, the

18:15

evidence found in Zeb's vehicle has

18:17

confounded his family, investigators,

18:19

and the public for over 20 years.

18:22

Inside the car, investigators

18:24

found

18:26

drink bottles.

18:27

Now, we don't know exactly what that means.

18:29

The Citizen Times specifically

18:32

said drink bottles, but there

18:34

was no reference to alcohol.

18:37

But it's a strange

18:39

wording.

18:40

There was a jacket that did not belong

18:42

to Zeb, a motel room keycard,

18:46

and a live black lab puppy.

18:49

And it was a sad state.

18:52

The puppy was left without food or water

18:55

and had feces on it. Thankfully,

18:58

it was found alive. Yeah. And

19:00

an officer later adopted the

19:02

puppy.

19:03

But you and I have covered a lot of cases

19:06

between TCAT and

19:08

TCAT Unsolved. And

19:11

in those cases, there have been a lot

19:13

of cars found. And we've

19:15

discussed the things that have been found

19:18

in those cars. What I don't

19:20

remember ever

19:22

talking about

19:23

was a live puppy. No. And

19:26

so you can see why

19:28

this kind of collection

19:30

of things that were found have

19:33

confused people for so many years.

19:35

Certainly a strange scenario. And maybe

19:38

the strangest detail was that someone

19:40

used an orange-pink shade of lipstick

19:43

to draw a large set of lips on

19:45

the back window in between

19:47

two exclamation marks. No

19:50

idea what that means. No.

19:52

And maybe it doesn't mean anything. Or maybe

19:54

it means something. We just don't know. We don't

19:56

know. The driver's seat was pretty

19:59

close to the steering wheel. which suggested

20:02

the last person to drive the car

20:04

was shorter. Now this comes up a lot

20:07

in cases, and I've had a lot of people

20:09

email me and say, okay, the

20:11

seat was pushed

20:12

way back, that

20:15

means the person was bigger,

20:18

taller,

20:19

and that's usually the theory. Sure.

20:22

Just like the opposite here, where

20:24

the person is thought to be shorter, now it

20:27

is possible that somebody could move the seat after

20:29

they get

20:30

out

20:31

to throw investigators

20:33

off the track. Some people have

20:35

emailed that they always

20:38

move the seat back before they get out,

20:40

just to give them more room to get out. I find that strange.

20:45

I've never done that because I want my

20:47

seat in the same spot every time. I

20:49

don't even like when someone drives

20:51

my truck for whatever reason. And changes the settings.

20:54

Because I can never get it back. You know, I don't have one of

20:56

those buttons that you hit, it takes it right back

20:58

to that perfect spot. I wish I did, but

21:00

so I got to mess with it, you know, move it up,

21:03

back, up, down, you know,

21:05

and finally, finally I'm like, I don't know, this is going to

21:07

have to do. This is going to have to do. Zeb's

21:10

car was also seen parked and driving

21:12

through the area around the Livingston

21:14

Street Apartments in Asheville, an anonymous

21:17

witness told the police they saw the car there

21:20

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21:23

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Zeb's mother and sister worked at the

25:14

Mission St. Joseph's Hospital,

25:17

close to the Little Pigs Barbecue. But

25:20

Denise told the Asheville Citizen Times,

25:23

Zeb would have known that we both always

25:25

used the other entrance. He wouldn't have left

25:27

it there if he wanted us to find

25:30

it. According to the Asheville Citizen

25:32

Times, Captain Ted Lambert said,

25:34

there was no indication so far

25:36

of foul play, no indication

25:39

that he's run away. We're still receiving

25:41

information in Leeds Daily and

25:43

we're still following up on that information

25:46

and will continue to do so. The

25:48

family is puzzled by

25:51

the phone call Zeb received.

25:59

bone, comes back frantic,

26:02

hits Jason's truck allegedly,

26:05

and cuts short their plans.

26:08

Yeah. I got to go, man. To

26:11

me, that's

26:12

concerning.

26:13

According to an August 2000

26:15

Asheville Citizen Times article, Denise

26:18

eventually learned that Zeb did receive

26:20

the messages she sent to his pager. The

26:23

only other number listed on his pager

26:25

belonged to his aunt Ina

26:27

Eustitch, his father's sister. She

26:30

denied paging him or that she

26:32

was at home when the message was sent

26:34

to Zeb's pager. Okay. It's

26:36

a little bizarre, right? Yeah, very bizarre. I

26:39

didn't send that page. It wasn't me. She

26:42

told the Citizen Times that the police

26:44

told her one call was made to

26:47

her apartment three minutes after

26:49

Zeb received the page. This

26:51

call came from his father, Jerry

26:53

Quinn's apartment. And apparently Jerry

26:56

said, I didn't make no call. I wasn't

26:58

even home. I was working. I

27:00

don't know who could have done that.

27:03

Ina said the police told her phone records

27:05

show several other calls being made from

27:07

her apartment after Zeb

27:09

disappeared.

27:10

So some suspicion has

27:12

to be setting in, right? Well, absolutely.

27:15

You've got strange calls being

27:18

made from his aunt's house,

27:21

his father's house, but they're both

27:24

denying that they ever made

27:27

these calls. Now, Ina

27:29

told the Asheville Citizen Times,

27:31

I was never at home. When I got

27:33

home those days, my phone was

27:35

moved to different parts of the house.

27:37

One day a picture from my wall was

27:39

down and it was broken. I was really scared.

27:42

No one has a key to my apartment. I

27:45

even called that detective on the case

27:47

to tell him about it. Yeah, it's kind

27:49

of freaky, right? If you know you didn't move

27:51

that phone and nobody else has a key,

27:54

besides maybe the landlord, or I am the

27:56

landlord, I have a key. But now you're into

27:58

some like poltergeist. type

28:01

stuff here. Phones are moving, pictures

28:03

are falling off the wall, I'd be moving.

28:06

She said that the police followed her and

28:08

questioned her repeatedly, but she maintained

28:11

that she knew nothing about Zeb's disappearance

28:14

and had passed a polygraph. The

28:16

Citizen Times also noted that one of the

28:18

people Denise called after Zeb went

28:20

missing was a girl that Zeb had

28:23

been spending time with. Ina

28:25

Eustitch told the Citizen Times this girl

28:27

was with her and a group of others

28:30

late on the night Zeb disappeared. On

28:33

February 14, 2001, a

28:35

warrant was served for blood and hair

28:37

samples from Jason Owen.

28:40

Captain Tom Ardema said

28:42

about the warrant, DNA evidence was found

28:44

in both vehicles. We'll compare the trace

28:46

evidence to trace evidence received

28:49

from Owens' vehicle and

28:52

Zeb Quinn's vehicle. So

28:54

definitely Owens was a suspect

28:56

at this point, but there wasn't enough

28:59

evidence to

29:00

charge him. So

29:01

it's taken about a year to get to this point.

29:04

Yeah, and it seems like in that year's

29:06

time, a lot of strange

29:08

things came out. We don't know what it

29:11

all means, but some of it is

29:14

very strange. On October 28, 2002, Jason

29:18

Owens was involved in a car accident

29:20

after fleeing from an officer. The

29:23

officer who initiated the chase was concerned

29:25

that he was driving under the influence.

29:28

Jason fled down the interstate before

29:30

turning on to a different road. He

29:33

fired three to five shots at the officer.

29:35

The chase ended when Jason hit a mailbox

29:38

and flipped his vehicle. He was in critical

29:40

condition immediately after the

29:42

wreck. You know the two things you don't do? Drive

29:45

drunk. And run from an officer.

29:47

And fire. Shots at an officer. Yeah.

29:51

So let's three. Three things you don't do. On

29:53

November 6, Jason Owens

29:55

was arrested on nine charges after

29:58

spending nine days in the hospital. The

30:00

charges included eluding arrest

30:03

and assault on a law enforcement officer

30:05

with a firearm. Okay, I would

30:07

have to say that second one

30:09

is a pretty serious charge. First

30:12

one's not great, but that second one seems like

30:14

it would be very

30:16

serious.

30:17

If you're taking a shot at a

30:19

police officer. On December

30:22

31st, 2003, the Asheville Police

30:24

released a video of Zeb

30:26

entering the convenience store on the night

30:29

of January 2nd, 2000. Zeb

30:31

and Jason entered the store at 9 14 p.m. Bought

30:35

some sodas and left. Two minutes

30:37

later, Owens's truck was

30:39

captured driving by the gas pumps

30:42

followed by Zeb's vehicle. So

30:45

nothing out of the ordinary there, right? That's what Jason

30:48

said happened when he was first

30:50

interviewed. Yeah, yeah, it seems to

30:52

to corroborate what he said. The

30:54

police also announced that they were treating the

30:57

case as a homicide and noted

30:59

that Jason Owens had refused to cooperate

31:01

since giving his first statement. But

31:04

is that all that strange? I

31:06

mean if you're looking at me as

31:09

a major suspect to the point where

31:11

you want blood and hair samples, how

31:14

cooperative am I gonna be? Probably

31:16

not to, especially if you talk to your attorney. Further

31:19

developments in the case occurred a few

31:21

years later. A new search utilizing

31:25

ground penetrating radar started

31:27

in April 2007 on

31:29

Jason Owens's property off Owens

31:32

Cove Road. In October 2007 the

31:35

police retrieved hair, fingerprints,

31:37

and saliva samples from

31:39

a female friend of Zeb's who was last

31:42

seen at a convenience store in South Asheville.

31:45

However, the police didn't consider her

31:47

a suspect or person of interest in

31:49

his disappearance. Spokeswoman

31:52

Melissa Williams told the Asheville Citizen

31:54

Times as the cold case unit

31:56

reviewed this case file. They noted that

31:59

we had not gotten in a DNA profile

32:01

from her. There is no new evidence

32:03

and no new leads. This was

32:05

routine review of the case file

32:08

and detectives looking for any unfinished

32:11

work.

32:12

So

32:13

I think from that,

32:14

it sounds like they were just checking a bar.

32:16

Yeah, just making sure everything lined

32:19

up the way it should. Investigative

32:21

documents stated that Zeb and this

32:23

woman were friends. He was interested

32:26

in her, but she said they had a casual

32:28

relationship. Zeb said he was worried

32:31

about her because her boyfriend was

32:33

abusive. And he said he was in trouble

32:35

with her boyfriend because of his interest.

32:38

Records showed that the woman first called

32:40

Zeb on December 20th, 1999,

32:43

and they contacted each other several

32:45

times until he disappeared.

32:47

Okay,

32:48

this makes me think that

32:51

this is the woman that he

32:53

was worried. Yeah. That he was in

32:55

trouble of. If she's got a boyfriend

32:58

who's abusive, maybe dangerous,

33:01

then that's most likely why

33:03

he was fearful and had

33:05

those concerns. The system times

33:08

reported that Jason Owens spent 23

33:10

months in state prison between 2002 and 2009

33:14

for convictions for habitual

33:17

impaired driving, speeding to elude

33:19

arrest, assault on an officer, resisting

33:22

officers, reckless driving, and

33:24

drunken disorderly conduct. Owens

33:26

was also convicted of distributing

33:29

prescription drugs and possessing

33:31

stolen items. He was last released

33:33

from prison in July 2009. He

33:36

later started a business as a handyman.

33:39

Well,

33:39

you know what? When you

33:40

do all those things that he did, you're going to

33:43

spend some time in jail. Yeah. Yeah.

33:45

I mean, 23 months actually

33:49

sounds a little light, but there's

33:51

a lot of different charges. Then

33:53

on March 17th, 2015, Jason Owens was charged with

33:57

the murders. A 45 year old Joseph.

34:00

cod and 38 year

34:02

old Christie Todd, a husband

34:04

and wife from North Carolina.

34:07

He was also charged with the murder of their unborn

34:09

child, breaking and entering and

34:11

larceny. So the charges

34:14

before were not great, but these

34:16

obviously are at a different level.

34:19

So we're finding out that Jason's just

34:21

not that great of a guy. No, not, not

34:24

a good guy at all. Joseph,

34:26

who went by JT and Christie

34:28

got married in September 2014. They

34:31

had lived in Leister for

34:33

about two years. JT worked in

34:35

the film industry and it worked on shows like

34:38

Without a Traits. Christie was a celebrity

34:40

chef and caterer and was a finalist

34:43

on the show, Food Network star. A

34:45

couple of popular shows there. Yeah. And

34:47

it sounds like they had their, you

34:50

know what together? Yeah. They

34:52

had good careers and JT

34:54

had hired Jason as a handyman to work

34:56

on their house. He lived about a mile

34:59

away from the cod. Julie

35:01

Helton, a coworker of JT said

35:03

that Owens was at the wedding and

35:05

served Turkey there. JT

35:07

and Christie stopped sending texts or calls

35:10

on March 11th, but Christie's

35:12

phone sent a text to her mother on March

35:14

14th. Investigators believe

35:16

they died on March 12th. They were

35:18

reported missing on March 15th. Cecilia

35:22

Owens, a family friend and an aunt by

35:24

marriage of Jason Owens had a key

35:26

to the house because she had done some

35:28

house sitting for the couple. Christie's

35:31

father called her and asked her to check

35:33

on them. She entered the home and knew

35:35

something was wrong because Christie

35:38

would never have left her dogs unattended

35:40

for long periods of time. The

35:43

dogs had defecated and urinated

35:45

inside the house. The couple's vehicles

35:47

were still at the house, but they were nowhere to be

35:49

found. Cecilia called Christie's

35:52

father and he reported them missing.

35:54

Isn't it interesting that our case on TCAT

35:58

involved a dog? The dog

36:01

left inside for an extended

36:03

period of time. Yeah, kind of eerily similar.

36:05

Yeah. Right. In both cases, when

36:08

officers entered the home, they saw that

36:10

a break-in occurred. Jason Owens was

36:13

charged with breaking into the home that day

36:15

and stealing a laptop, jewelry, and

36:18

a Glock handgun. On the evening

36:20

of the 15th, someone reported

36:22

the man behaving suspiciously while

36:24

putting large trash bags in a dumpster.

36:27

Investigators found the bags and determined

36:29

the items inside belonged to

36:32

Kristi Cott. Owens was found

36:34

on Monday the 16th and interviewed. He

36:37

admitted to breaking into

36:39

the house. That night, human

36:42

remains were found in a wood stove on his

36:45

property. Wow.

36:46

That's going to be tough to get out of. Yeah. According

36:49

to later released search warrants, Jason

36:52

eventually admitted that he accidentally

36:54

killed a couple and then stored

36:57

and destroyed the body. Accidentally

36:59

killed a couple.

37:00

How do you accidentally kill somebody? Two

37:03

people. Two people.

37:04

Detectives learned how JT

37:07

died from Owens's wife. She

37:09

said he told her he was driving

37:11

JT's truck and hit him with

37:13

it. The search warrant gave no indication

37:16

of how Kristi died.

37:18

So

37:19

I understand you could accidentally

37:21

hit someone. Sure. While driving

37:24

a truck, you could kill them. But

37:26

then how did Kristi die? Yeah. How did

37:28

she accidentally die? And

37:31

if it was an accident, why not just

37:33

stop and call the police and say, man,

37:35

this was an accident. Well, because you're

37:37

an ex-con. And robbing

37:39

their house. And robbing their house. The remains

37:42

of two individuals believed to be

37:44

JT and Kristi Cott were sent to

37:46

the Buncombe County Medical Examiner,

37:49

but they remained officially unidentified

37:51

for months. A fire early on

37:53

March 20th destroyed an unoccupied

37:56

mobile home on the Owens property.

37:58

Seven cults were made by the JT. reporting the

38:00

fire shortly after 2 a.m.

38:03

One caller reported that someone

38:05

was setting fires to everything up here on

38:08

the mountain and asked the first responders

38:10

to hurry. arson investigators

38:12

determined that the fire was suspicious

38:15

after Jason Owens was arrested. News

38:18

outlets that reported on his arrest for

38:20

murder also reported that

38:22

he was a suspect in the disappearance

38:24

of Zeb Quinn, which brought new

38:27

attention to the case. How

38:29

could it not right? Here's a guy who

38:32

was thought to maybe be involved

38:34

in the disappearance of Zeb. They

38:37

never had enough to charge

38:39

him. Right. But now we find

38:41

out that in the years that followed,

38:44

he spent time in prison

38:47

and now it's being reported that, you know,

38:50

he might have murdered this couple. How

38:52

could you not put two and two together?

38:54

Yeah, well, investigators got to think, well, he's capable

38:57

of doing something like that.

38:59

And he is capable of getting rid of

39:01

evidence because he

39:02

knows how to use that outdoor

39:04

oven on his property. Could he have done

39:07

something similar to Zeb? On

39:09

March 30th, investigators served new

39:11

warrants on the Owens property. They

39:14

brought cadaver dogs and started digging.

39:16

But investigators wouldn't say if they

39:18

were searching for evidence in the cod case

39:21

or the Zeb Quinn case. On

39:23

April 6th, four new charges were filed

39:26

against Jason after a grand

39:28

jury hearing, two counts of

39:30

robbery with a dangerous weapon and

39:32

two counts of dismembering human remains.

39:35

A breaking and entering and larceny

39:38

charge was dropped. Well, they didn't

39:40

really need those charges anymore. They had the more severe

39:42

charges. Yeah. I mean, they're

39:44

going after him for the big ones.

39:47

Search warrants were released in June 2015. They

39:50

revealed that on March 27th, a

39:53

relative told the police about

39:55

an abandoned fish pond project

39:58

that Owens started soon after. after

40:00

Zeb disappeared in January 2000.

40:04

The warrant stated both prior to

40:06

and after January 2000. Owens

40:09

had an area within the above listed

40:11

property that he had dug out and

40:13

used to burn items. This individual

40:16

further stated that sometime after January 2000,

40:19

exact date unknown, Owens

40:21

had poured concrete over this area

40:24

and claimed that he was planning to construct

40:26

a fish pond. At a distance from

40:29

the residence that would not

40:31

be convenient to enjoy it from.

40:34

Yeah, so it sounded like maybe

40:36

something was strange about

40:38

it, right? Why would you want that fish

40:40

pond there? Does it make any sense?

40:43

Yeah, if you were gonna make one, why not

40:45

make it closer to the houses? The

40:48

pond was never completed and eventually

40:50

Jason covered it with dirt. This

40:53

prompted the search at the end of the month. The

40:55

warrant stated that fabric, leather,

40:58

and unknown hard fragments were buried under

41:00

a layer of concrete on the property.

41:03

Investigators also found white powder

41:06

and pieces of metal and concrete when

41:08

they dug up the old fish pond area. They

41:10

found numerous bags containing

41:13

pulverized lime or

41:15

powdered mortar mix. The

41:17

warrant was obtained while investigators

41:19

were searching the property for evidence in the

41:21

cod murders and stated, detectives

41:24

have determined that the probability

41:26

exists, that more human remains may

41:29

be located on the property.

41:31

I'm guessing this probably got the community

41:33

chatting about all this stuff. Yeah,

41:35

I would think so. Number one,

41:38

you have two people and

41:40

an unborn baby dead. Yeah.

41:44

Now, you gotta be curious about

41:46

this so-called fish pond. It

41:49

was never completed. They're

41:51

finding things under the concrete which

41:54

have to make you think that that

41:57

was only poured to cover something up.

42:00

The warrant contains some details from

42:02

the original Zeb Quinn investigation,

42:04

noting that Jason Owens failed

42:06

to show up to work on January 3, 2000, the

42:10

day after Zeb went missing. Jason

42:12

said he was in an accident

42:14

and received treatment at an urgent care

42:16

center. The center record showed he

42:19

was treated for a head wound and fractured

42:21

rib. The detective wrote, Owens'

42:24

injuries were not consistent with the

42:26

minor accident he claims occurred

42:29

with Quinn the night before. So

42:31

that's interesting from the standpoint

42:33

that it was said Zeb hit

42:37

him with his truck, his truck with his truck.

42:39

To me that sounded like a very minor

42:42

fender bender. And I think this detective

42:45

is saying that as well, not

42:47

something that would have caused

42:49

a head wound and a fractured rib.

42:53

So then the question becomes, well,

42:55

how did he receive that? What caused

42:57

that? The warrant also noted

42:59

that Owens admitted to making the call,

43:02

pretending to be Zeb on January

43:04

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In May 2015, investigators searched the

46:15

Bent Creek Experimental Forest after

46:18

receiving information in the Zeb

46:20

Quinn case. A US Forest Service

46:23

official called the area an active

46:25

crime scene. Two years after he was

46:27

arrested, on April 27, 2017, Jason

46:31

Owens pleaded guilty to the murders of

46:34

J.T. Codd, Kristy Codd,

46:37

and their unborn child, as well as

46:39

dismembering their remains. So,

46:41

he went from being a pretty

46:43

bad guy to a really bad guy.

46:46

Yeah, real quick. As part of his plea

46:48

deal, he was sentenced to a minimum

46:50

of 59 1 1 half years and a

46:52

maximum of 74 1 1 half

46:54

years in prison without the possibility

46:57

of parole. The robbery charges

46:59

were dismissed.

47:01

Well,

47:01

that's pretty much saying you're going to prison for life.

47:04

And that was a plea deal. Yeah. So,

47:06

you can only imagine that he

47:09

could have been facing the death penalty or

47:12

life without parole,

47:15

because he didn't get life without parole. He got 59

47:18

to 75, which

47:20

is still a very, very long time, and could

47:22

be life. Owens said in court,

47:24

as quoted by the Asheville Citizen Times, to

47:27

the families of J.T. and Kristy and their

47:29

friends, I want you to know that I

47:31

am sincerely sorry for the loss of your

47:34

loved ones and the pain and suffering

47:36

it's caused you. I'm grateful for

47:38

you for the mercy you have left with this court

47:40

to show me I am truly sorry.

47:43

After the hearing, it was revealed

47:46

that Jason admitted he accidentally

47:48

ran over the couple with a truck and

47:51

dismembered their body. He

47:53

said that he accidentally ran

47:55

over them when they were trying to get the truck out

47:57

of the ditch, and he hit the accelerator.

48:00

JT and Christie were standing in front of the

48:02

vehicle when he ran over them. He said in his

48:05

interview, then I backed back

48:07

over them because I knew what I had done.

48:09

Wow. Okay. So he's like, well, I

48:12

ran over him and it wasn't good. So I

48:14

backed back over him to make sure it was done completely.

48:18

And then I dismembered and burned

48:20

their bodies to try to get away

48:22

with it. Now that's if you

48:24

believe that it was

48:26

accidental. Right. He said he put

48:29

Christie's body in a bedroom, then took

48:31

JT's body to his property. He

48:33

dismembered the remains and put

48:35

them in a plastic bag. He dismembered

48:37

Christie's remains in her shower and

48:40

put the body parts in a bag. He burned

48:42

both bodies in a wood stove on his property.

48:45

He destroyed the bodies because

48:47

he believed he would face manslaughter

48:49

charges due to his record of

48:52

drunk driving. During his interview,

48:54

he said, I'm not a bad guy. I didn't

48:56

mean to hurt them. They were my friends.

48:59

No, you were a bad guy. I mean,

49:01

it's a tough one to swallow, right? Could

49:04

you accidentally run over two people? Yes,

49:08

you could. Yeah. But when you

49:10

say that you intentionally

49:12

backed up over them

49:15

again, essentially to

49:17

make sure that they were dead. Yeah. Because

49:19

how do you know they were not dead?

49:21

Not dead to the point that you needed to back up

49:24

over them again. You know, if you didn't get

49:26

out of the truck to check on them, maybe they could have been

49:28

saved. Absolutely. In court,

49:30

ADA Rodney Hastie said investigators

49:32

didn't find any damage to the truck, but

49:35

learn that Jason and another man cleaned

49:38

the back of the truck. Now what that

49:40

means, I don't know, because

49:43

he said they were standing in front of the truck. Would

49:46

you expect to see some damage?

49:48

Maybe,

49:49

maybe not. If you hit them hard

49:51

enough to kill them, you would think there

49:53

would be some damage to that truck. But

49:55

my other thought is if you're

49:58

trying to get out of a ditch. and you hit

50:00

the accelerator and they're standing in

50:02

front of you. What would happen? Yeah,

50:04

I guess it depends on the size of the truck.

50:08

You're not going 60 miles an hour.

50:10

You're starting from zero and

50:13

you're hitting the accelerator. It's not

50:15

going to be good. What happens,

50:17

but is it going to kill them instantly?

50:20

And my thought would be probably not. Unless

50:23

it's a certain type of truck, you know, maybe. Yeah.

50:26

It just seems like there's some

50:28

holes in the story. I think backing

50:31

up over them was probably what killed

50:33

them. So, and just remember,

50:35

you know, he felt so bad about this that

50:38

he had to go in and rob their house

50:40

too. Yes. His defense

50:42

told the court that Jason was mentally

50:44

impaired because he was on pain killers

50:47

and he was diagnosed with PTSD

50:49

after Zeb disappeared and

50:52

he became a suspect when

50:54

his defense attorneys, Victoria, Jane

50:56

and Sean, Denver were asked about the Zeb

50:58

Quinn case. They said Jason cooperated

51:01

with authorities. Jane said per

51:03

the Asheville Citizen Times, he is

51:05

given a very detailed statement regarding

51:08

that matter. In our opinion, he is

51:10

not at all responsible for the

51:12

death of Zeb Quinn. When asked

51:15

if Jason was present when Zeb died,

51:17

Devereaux said that matter is

51:19

not over yet. Okay. That

51:22

is a strange answer. That's

51:24

not a no. No,

51:26

it's not. It's not a denial. That's

51:29

something else is going on that hasn't

51:32

been disclosed.

51:33

And what is that?

51:34

On July 10th, 2017, a Buncombe

51:37

County grand jury indicted

51:39

Jason Owens for first degree murder in

51:42

the Zeb Quinn case. Sean Devereaux,

51:44

Jason's defense attorney noted that Jason

51:47

did an interview regarding Zeb's

51:49

case over a year before

51:52

his plea and sentencing. On March

51:55

15th, 2018, a judge rejected

51:57

the prosecutor's attempt to

51:59

separate a Jason from his lawyers due

52:01

to a conflict of interest.

52:04

After he pleaded guilty in the COD case, Owens

52:06

wrote to his wife that he was forced to take

52:09

the plea and that he intended to

52:11

challenge it. However, in court, he

52:13

said he was happy with his counsel. Court

52:16

documents filed during this hearing revealed

52:18

new details in the Zebquin case. Defense

52:21

attorneys Jane and Devereaux wrote

52:23

that Jason told them what happened

52:26

to Zeb shortly after they were appointed

52:28

as his attorneys. Jason said

52:31

that a family member killed Zeb, then

52:33

dismembered and burned his remains. This

52:36

family member is now deceased. Four

52:38

years later, in early July 2022, Victoria

52:42

Jane said that she expected

52:44

the Zebquin case to be settled

52:47

later that month. So

52:50

a family member who

52:52

is deceased.

52:53

Who

52:55

killed Zeb,

52:56

took his

52:57

body apart and burned it. Just

53:00

similar to what Jason had

53:03

just done. That

53:05

month, the Asheville Citizen Times

53:07

reviewed a court memorandum written by the

53:09

defense in January 2018 that stated on July 8,

53:11

2017, two years after Owens implicated him in

53:13

the murder

53:19

of Zebquin, Walter Gene

53:21

Owens died. He was 66 years old.

53:25

Victoria Jane told the Citizen Times

53:27

that Walter Eugene Owens had lived in

53:29

the same home as Jason for a number

53:31

of years. In the court filing, the

53:33

defense wrote that Walter Owens was the

53:36

one who submitted the tip about

53:38

the fish pot in March 2015

53:41

because he was trying to misdirect

53:43

the police. Walter Owens, who

53:45

went by the name Gene, denied any

53:47

involvement in the murder before he died.

53:50

One source close to the case told local

53:53

outlet News 13 that Zeb

53:55

was saving up money to buy a car

53:57

and that robbery was the motive. Jason

54:00

accused his uncle of murder during

54:03

an interview in late May 2015. He

54:06

alleged that his uncle killed

54:08

Zeb in the Bent Creek Experimental

54:10

Forest and that Zeb's body

54:13

was dismembered and burned there. The interview

54:15

was interrupted because officers

54:17

left early to go to the site. The defense

54:20

later said they were not told the

54:22

results of the search, but they were told

54:26

officers found inconsistencies in

54:28

Jason's story. The defense

54:31

arranged for North Carolina State

54:33

forensic anthropology professors

54:35

to search the site. Jason

54:37

also took and passed a polygraph, but

54:40

law enforcement declined to oversee

54:42

a second

54:43

polygraph. So

54:44

it sounds like this family definitely

54:46

has some bad apples. Well,

54:48

either they have a couple of bad apples,

54:51

or they have one really bad apple

54:54

who is trying to implicate

54:57

and pin Zeb's murder

55:00

on one of their family members. Who is now deceased.

55:03

Yeah, he said he wasn't involved when he was

55:05

alive, but obviously he has

55:07

since passed and now can't

55:10

defend himself at all. On July 25,

55:14

2022, Jason Owens pleaded guilty to accessory

55:16

after the fact. In the murder of Zeb Quinn,

55:19

he was sentenced to 150 to 189 months to be served consecutively

55:26

to his life sentence. Well, it's easier

55:28

now

55:29

to plead

55:30

guilty to that versus potentially

55:32

being charged with murder down the road, right?

55:35

Well, and I think that is a question

55:38

that you have to raise. Why

55:40

would he plead guilty to this?

55:43

Number one, he's got a very long

55:45

sentence and may never get out anyway,

55:48

but I think you could take

55:50

a different look at it more

55:53

along the lines of where you were going and

55:55

say, hey,

55:56

I'm better off doing this than.

56:00

Getting charged with the murder myself

56:02

and maybe I get something worse

56:04

than what I already have. Yeah, this is Nothing

56:08

compared to what I already have during

56:10

and after court the defense said that Jason's

56:13

abusive and controlling uncle tricked

56:15

him into luring Zab into the forest

56:17

to meet the woman. He was attracted to the

56:20

woman Misty Taylor wasn't there

56:22

Jean Owens was hired by her boyfriend

56:25

Jean killed Zab then dismembered

56:28

and burned the body Well, if Jean was

56:30

hired by her boyfriend wouldn't her boyfriend

56:32

be

56:33

guilty too

56:34

as guilty Victoria

56:36

Jane said in court per to the Citizen

56:38

Times. This is not a compromised

56:41

plea. This is not that oh There's

56:44

just insufficient evidence and we want to

56:46

get this case closed and plead

56:48

to accessory It is in our opinion

56:50

that accessory is exactly what

56:52

mr Owens is guilty of and

56:54

that's why we're here today But prosecutors

56:57

remain skeptical of Jason's

56:59

story that he was not the killer and I

57:01

think you and I have kind of expressed

57:04

some skepticism ourselves

57:07

ADA Jeremy Ingle said per

57:10

the Asheville Citizen Times based on the

57:12

evidence available the the lack

57:14

of evidence of motive cause of death

57:17

compilation of evidence based on the decades-long

57:20

pause and critical leads in the case a Conviction

57:23

of first-degree murder at trial though.

57:25

Never a certainty would present a steep

57:28

challenge Considering all

57:30

these factors and that I completely

57:32

understand a lot of time has gone by

57:35

20-plus years. Yeah, that's a

57:37

pretty good gap now you have the Introduction

57:41

that the uncle was involved.

57:43

That's gonna cloud things I think

57:46

it would be a very

57:48

tough challenge for a prosecutor

57:51

to get a first-degree Murder conviction

57:54

on what they have it was noted that

57:57

Owens description of Zab's murder

57:59

was similar to the disposal of the

58:01

CODS bodies. Both cases

58:04

involved dismemberment and burning of

58:06

remains. Defense Attorney Victoria

58:08

James said at the hearing that this

58:10

was because of what Owen saw

58:13

his uncle do in the past. Either that

58:15

is true or he's just saying that

58:19

his

58:21

uncle did this because he

58:24

knows that's what he did to

58:26

the CODS. He could go either

58:28

way I guess. He learned from his uncle

58:31

or it's just what he did.

58:33

And he's blaming it. And blaming him.

58:36

On his uncle. After Jason pleaded guilty,

58:38

the Buncombe County DA posted

58:40

pictures of his written statement on Twitter.

58:43

The following information comes from that statement.

58:45

This is what Jason Owens claimed

58:48

happened on the night of January 2, 2000. Sunday

58:50

afternoon, then

58:53

came up to the house while I was cleaning

58:55

my truck. He asked me if I

58:58

knew Zeb from Walmart. I told him yes,

59:00

we had gone fishing a few times together.

59:02

He then told me that Zeb was talking to this

59:05

girl Misty, who had a jealous

59:07

boyfriend and that Misty wanted Zeb

59:09

to come up by the lake where she was camping

59:12

that night. He then asked me if I would go to

59:14

Walmart and tell him and

59:16

then take him up there. I said, sure.

59:19

I went to Walmart and told Zeb. He said,

59:21

okay. And then told me about Misty

59:23

having a baby with this boyfriend

59:26

that mistreated her. He then told me

59:28

the boyfriend had threatened him the week

59:30

before. Next, he told me

59:33

him and Misty were supposed to

59:35

go to Gallimber the next day. I

59:37

told him I would meet him after work and we would

59:39

go find where she was camping. After

59:42

we got off, we left heading

59:44

up there, stopping for drinks at the gas station.

59:47

Once we got to the dirt road, we had the drive.

59:49

It seemed forever before we

59:51

seen anyone. Finally, we seen

59:54

my uncle Gene's truck. Jason

59:56

wrote that he parked next to his uncle and

59:58

they both got out of their vehicle. Zeb

1:00:01

left his vehicle in the road and

1:00:03

walked over to them. Jason asked

1:00:05

Jean where Misty was and he said she

1:00:07

would be there in a few minutes. He

1:00:09

wrote, Zeb turned looking

1:00:11

down the trail. When Jean pulled

1:00:13

out a 22 rifle and shot him

1:00:16

in the back of the head, Zeb spun

1:00:18

and dropped. I took off around

1:00:20

my truck, jumped in and threw

1:00:22

it in drive. As I punched the gas

1:00:25

pulling out, I hit Zeb's car. My

1:00:27

head hit the steering wheel. Before I could

1:00:30

back up to clear Zeb's car,

1:00:32

Jean ran around to my driver's side yelling,

1:00:35

whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not

1:00:37

going to shoot you. I seen his hands

1:00:39

were empty. I asked him, why

1:00:42

did you shoot him? Jean said

1:00:44

he was poking his nose somewhere he

1:00:46

shouldn't be. Someone had to

1:00:49

teach him a lesson. You know, when you teach

1:00:51

someone a lesson, that means that

1:00:53

they can learn from it. Right?

1:00:56

Yes. Yeah, that's not teaching someone a lesson.

1:00:58

I always find that a very strange saying

1:01:01

when someone is talking about killing

1:01:03

someone, because once you're dead,

1:01:06

there is no lesson to be learned. No. Now,

1:01:09

maybe others could learn a

1:01:11

lesson from what you did. If

1:01:13

you're trying to show

1:01:15

others, don't mess with me. But you can't

1:01:18

teach someone a lesson once you've shot them

1:01:20

in the head. But there's more

1:01:22

to this letter, but I just want to analyze a

1:01:24

few things here.

1:01:26

Number one, the things

1:01:29

that he is saying do fall

1:01:31

in line with some of the things

1:01:34

that are known. We stopped at the gas station,

1:01:36

right? We bought some soda. Right. Now,

1:01:39

he's saying, Zeb didn't

1:01:41

hit my vehicle. I

1:01:43

hit hit. Right. And that's how

1:01:46

I banged up my head and fractured

1:01:49

my rib, probably. So it's

1:01:51

almost as if either this

1:01:53

whole thing is true or it's

1:01:55

completely false, but he's building

1:01:58

in the facts. that are known

1:02:01

to fit.

1:02:01

Does

1:02:03

that make sense? Yeah, turning it into

1:02:05

a very believable story. Yes. Jean

1:02:08

told Jason not to call the police because

1:02:10

he was an accomplice. He also said that

1:02:13

the 22 was stolen. His aunt

1:02:15

traded it to his mother and she

1:02:17

gave it to Jean to get rid of. Jean

1:02:19

knew his prints were on the gun. Jason

1:02:22

returned to the dirt road in the morning and saw

1:02:24

Zeb's car but not Zeb. He

1:02:27

drove to the pull-off area to turn around

1:02:29

and saw Jean near a large campfire. He

1:02:32

saw Zeb's legs hanging out

1:02:34

of the campfire. Jean told him, I

1:02:37

see you have come to roast marshmallows

1:02:39

with me. That's a little sick.

1:02:41

That's pretty macabre. Jean

1:02:44

told him that since he came back he

1:02:46

had to stay until he was done. He didn't

1:02:49

care that Jason had to go to work. Okay,

1:02:52

so now he's explained why he didn't

1:02:54

show up to work, right? Because Jean told

1:02:56

me I had to stay. After the fire

1:02:58

burned down, Jean used a shovel

1:03:01

to throw the wet ashes into the woods.

1:03:03

He picked up a piece of Zeb's skull and

1:03:06

said he was going to bury it in the creek

1:03:08

so dogs wouldn't pick up the scent. Jean

1:03:11

ordered him to call Zeb's workplace.

1:03:14

Jason said he was going to lose his job

1:03:16

at Volvo so Jean told him to

1:03:18

go to urgent care to get a doctor's note

1:03:21

for his head injury. So,

1:03:24

you know, again, either this is

1:03:26

exactly what happened and his uncle

1:03:29

was involved

1:03:31

or

1:03:32

Jason killed Zeb,

1:03:34

wove his uncle into

1:03:36

the story and then also

1:03:39

wove some of these facts

1:03:42

that were known to fit

1:03:44

into the story. Yeah, to make it believable.

1:03:46

I mean, it's a pretty good story. I'll

1:03:48

give them that. It is. But

1:03:51

is it

1:03:52

factual?

1:03:54

Well, and that's the question and I don't know

1:03:56

how we could ever know that

1:03:59

for sure.

1:03:59

But i do have a few questions

1:04:02

one i think you've already raised

1:04:04

which is if this really went

1:04:07

down the way it did and

1:04:09

it was instigated by this

1:04:12

girl's boyfriend, why did nothing

1:04:14

ever happened to the boyfriend right

1:04:17

i was in he brought in question

1:04:19

charged something right

1:04:21

if he is almost as if he ordered, the

1:04:24

killing he would be just as guilty as

1:04:27

gene would have been right if he was

1:04:29

still alive, any you have

1:04:31

to kind of answer that question

1:04:34

we know jason killed he

1:04:36

was convicted he admitted it, did

1:04:39

he kill that as well, dismembering

1:04:42

him and burning his body in the

1:04:44

same way as he did the cards or

1:04:48

when he killed the cards did

1:04:50

he choose to take the same path,

1:04:53

that he had witnessed his

1:04:55

uncle yeah take in disposing

1:04:57

of a body or was jason the one

1:04:59

that was paid by this boyfriend,

1:05:02

you know there was jason this

1:05:05

girl's boyfriend there is a whole

1:05:08

litany of scenarios here

1:05:10

when you could you could picture the whole scenario with him taking,

1:05:14

sub up to that

1:05:15

piece of land oh

1:05:17

just take gene out of the story and insert

1:05:19

jason yeah just leave it like that it plays

1:05:21

that way too. Yeah absolutely

1:05:25

but it's been twenty three years since that

1:05:27

quinn disappeared because

1:05:29

gene owens is dead and zeb's body

1:05:31

has never been found, the main

1:05:34

evidence in the case is jason's

1:05:36

written state but like i

1:05:38

said right prosecutors have

1:05:41

expressed their doubts about his story, understand

1:05:44

why they have those doubts i think you and i have

1:05:46

some of those same doubts people listening

1:05:48

will have some of those doubts as well, what

1:05:51

remains unresolved is the location

1:05:53

of zeb's remains and

1:05:56

let's not forget the strange evidence found

1:05:58

in his vehicle right.

1:06:00

We still can't

1:06:01

explain or we don't know why

1:06:04

some of that was found inside his

1:06:06

vehicle. And we really

1:06:08

don't know who killed him. We don't.

1:06:11

I mean, for

1:06:12

his family, you know, at

1:06:15

least they know what happened to him based

1:06:18

on Jason's story. So does

1:06:21

that help them out a little bit? I

1:06:23

don't

1:06:23

really know. Yeah.

1:06:24

The one thing I believe is that he was murdered.

1:06:27

His body was dismembered

1:06:29

and his remains were burned. I believe

1:06:32

that happened. And I also believe

1:06:34

Jason was involved. It's the

1:06:36

extent of his involvement that

1:06:39

I'm really unsure about. Did it

1:06:41

go down the way that

1:06:43

his statement reads?

1:06:46

Or did he try to lessen his

1:06:48

involvement by substituting

1:06:51

himself and putting in his uncle

1:06:53

in certain parts? And

1:06:55

really just making him, Jason,

1:06:59

kind of the accomplice, thereby,

1:07:02

you know, still getting a pretty

1:07:04

high sense. But it's nothing

1:07:06

compared to maybe what they could have gone

1:07:08

after if he would have admitted

1:07:11

to first degree murder.

1:07:13

So

1:07:14

strange case. Very strange. But very

1:07:16

interesting and one that, you

1:07:18

know, people can dissect and try

1:07:21

to figure out where they land with

1:07:23

it. But that's it for our episode

1:07:26

on the disappearance of Zeb

1:07:28

Quinn. I've got some voicemails, Jidger. Check those out. Let's

1:07:31

hear them.

1:07:32

Hey, Mike and Judy. This is

1:07:34

Danielle Kirby Pruitt from Spartanburg,

1:07:37

South Carolina. My

1:07:39

dad worked in a meal for 30

1:07:41

something years. And his name on his shirt was Deetsie.

1:07:45

So you guys can call me Little

1:07:47

Deetsie. I wanted to

1:07:49

call and check in with you guys again. See how things

1:07:52

were going. Loving the podcast. Still loving the

1:07:54

podcast. I'm

1:07:56

going through it slow and easy. That way I don't

1:07:59

have to worry about it. wait every week to get

1:08:01

a new one because like I said last

1:08:03

time I called I'm a new listener

1:08:06

last couple of months I discovered podcasts.

1:08:09

You guys do an excellent job.

1:08:11

I'm an ID TV

1:08:13

junkie and

1:08:14

when I tell you it is so much

1:08:17

better to hear you tell the story

1:08:19

than it ever has been to watch these

1:08:22

but I do love me some Lieutenant kinder.

1:08:25

Oh that show. Anyway I hope

1:08:27

you guys are having a great day. Just

1:08:29

know your fans adore you

1:08:32

severely. I tell everyone

1:08:35

I can about your podcast

1:08:37

to keep the word going out. I hope

1:08:40

you guys are having a great day and

1:08:42

thank you again for everything you do

1:08:44

and like many others every

1:08:47

day at work for 10 hours I

1:08:49

listen to you guys and you get me through the day

1:08:51

and I appreciate it and I know all the

1:08:53

other fans appreciate it. We

1:08:55

love you guys and y'all have

1:08:58

a great day stay safe and

1:09:00

keep your own time ticking.

1:09:02

Hey nothing wrong with slow and easy. Yeah

1:09:04

that's the way they do things in South Carolina. Did

1:09:07

I ever tell you the story about trying

1:09:09

to return a cooler to Walmart

1:09:11

in South Carolina? No you have not. There was

1:09:13

nobody in line at the customer service.

1:09:16

Yeah. Place and the lady

1:09:18

told my wife and I just to sit down and she'd

1:09:20

be with us in a minute and she was just talking

1:09:23

and doing some stuff and it

1:09:25

didn't bother me. It was just like they

1:09:28

just weren't in a hurry. Right. And it was

1:09:30

cool. I'll get to you when I get to

1:09:32

you. Like you know our Walmart up here everybody's

1:09:35

running around and everything's

1:09:37

hectic and they were just like you

1:09:39

know we're going to take care of you but

1:09:41

we're going to do it slow and easy. Like molasses.

1:09:45

But you know it was a great voicemail and we appreciate

1:09:48

it very very much.

1:09:49

Hi guys this is Courtney

1:09:51

from South Bay, Tennessee. I

1:09:54

stumbled across your podcast a

1:09:56

few weeks ago. The Unsolved

1:09:59

first and

1:10:02

I went all the way back

1:10:04

to 2017 and I started there

1:10:06

and then I went to

1:10:08

Solve. So I'm working on both

1:10:10

of them. I'm still on 2017 but I'm

1:10:12

working my way up. However, I do

1:10:15

have a family friend that

1:10:19

is an unsolved case of getting

1:10:22

sipped in Indiana and

1:10:23

I would love for y'all to cover her case

1:10:26

just so her case can get you

1:10:28

know more coverage out there

1:10:31

and just

1:10:35

people if people know anything

1:10:37

they could get something out

1:10:39

there and anything

1:10:42

like that. Her name

1:10:44

is

1:10:45

Tabitha Shukrain

1:10:47

and she

1:10:51

passed away in 2001 and

1:10:57

that would just be fantastic if

1:10:58

you could cover her case.

1:11:02

Thanks for everything y'all do. I love listening to

1:11:04

y'all every morning when I drop into work and

1:11:08

have a good day.

1:11:10

Alright, thanks for the voicemail. She also sent

1:11:12

me an email so I have that information but

1:11:15

we'll definitely look into that case.

1:11:18

Sadly a lot of times it comes down to

1:11:20

just how much information is out there. Yeah,

1:11:23

yeah. On whether or not there's

1:11:25

enough to you know

1:11:27

make a complete episode but we'll

1:11:29

check it out for sure. Alright buddy that

1:11:31

is it for another episode

1:11:33

of True Crime All the Time Unsolved. So for

1:11:36

Mike and Gibby stay safe and keep your

1:11:38

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