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last week the book the hillside

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strangler as the inside story

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of the killing spree that terrorize los

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angeles' by darcy o'brien

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now they is a bit of a trigger warning

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on this he goes into extreme

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d tile on h of the murdered

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now you can handle that that's okay but just

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a bit of a warning the

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fact i'm inside the the morning news the

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herald news indianapolis star

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a times process a little bit a court records

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or zabul a fine okay

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let's get stuck you know it all

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right so in the latter half of nine seventy

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seven angela guano and

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kenny banki go on a murder fist

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in a ally writing and strangling

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multiple women the one nine

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between october seventeen and

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december fourteen of seventy seven

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with one more on the seventh eighth of february

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nineteen seventy eight now the body's

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own hidden in fact most of and relatively

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quickly and they say states

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a cast was was set up the try and catch the killers

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and at the time the investigates we're pretty sure

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it was to perpetrators and not

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one but the massive media

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attention about the so called hillside

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strangler was hindered

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the investigation more than it helps

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because as because huge amounts

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of leads thing called thing not

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enough staff closely involved

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in the case to effectively sift through

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a wet dot lie by

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march april and onwards

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in the nineteen seventy i with

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no new prices that

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they could to at least a tribute to

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hillside strangler as investigate

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is wanda the one sort of one has

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it's if they'd left town but gone

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in the sky by got locked up or dot

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things would going very com then

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in january of nineteen seventy

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nine twenty two year old diane

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walder and twenty seven year old karen mandy

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with and did in karen's mercury

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bobcats and that was just around

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the corner from where they accepted a half

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sitting jobs in bellingham from

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kenny bank now doesn't

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take long for like will detect these to put

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two and two to get us and further investigations

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in the bank is california driver's

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license revealed that

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he had close links to three

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of the hillside strangler victims

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bnc watch telly tells

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police that the only person

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he really nice in california angela

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wanna so he's

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now being investigated all

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right beyond key he's denying everything

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well at least he signed that he has

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no recollection of the events on

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the night when karen and diane women

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in bellingham all he

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says he remembers his driving around

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the can the only seems very

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personable polite these

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genuinely distress that he

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may have caused the deaths of these

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two women and he says he says

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the point that he feel suicidal that

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he could be involved at all no

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his lawyers colina psychiatric

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so the worker a john johnson

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to talk with bank now johnson

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couldn't see this guy

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who as i said before with this person

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hello polite and genuinely distressed

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about not having any recall

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either these killings was capable

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of the murders and possibly also

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involved in the hillside strangler they

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are being key sweet talked a social

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worker they thought maybe he's

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suffering from multiple personality

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disorder where'd this upstanding

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member of society kenny banki

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indeed couldn't remember the killings

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because they were perpetrated by another

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personality inside his mind

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right side of the book and subsequent

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movie the three sizes of eve

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was a nine fifty seven american

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mr exam a feel about

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the life of chris causing a sizable

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which was written by psychiatrists corbett

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age think pens and hobby

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him quickly sizemore

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, known as a white was

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a woman i suggested might have disassociate

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any identity disorder and

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that was then known as multiple personality

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disorder johnson wondered

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if there were three prices of banking the

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yankee with his amateurs psychological

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background of reading books on the subject

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you know and yet even open up an office

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email i stay picked up on these

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as maybe a way to avoid the death

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penalty or get off the charges

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with an insanity plea he

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had seen the movie the three faces of

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a before and by chance

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a television to part movie

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called siebel the

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only reason say they melt siebel

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less annoying seventy six two part

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say they films about a woman with

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multiple personalities as

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each personality manifests itself

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to the psychiatry as symbols

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voice and body language changes

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in each personality has no

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i'd the others exist until

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she's hypnotized and she's introduced

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to them be and he knows

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he needs to be careful the league and

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rape victims he can pull off this

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multiple personality skin the

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out and donald t lonely

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holding during matches seventy nine

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to analyze been lambda

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i had just a few years before authored

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a book called murder and madness

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yankee told him that since childhood

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he had bouts of amnesia and he couldn't

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recall the events of the night when coun

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and diane were murdered monday

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recommends that benki under

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guys a nice is to try

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to save he indeed has multiple

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personalities now , put

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under hypnosis by john g

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watkins a professor of psychology

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now this assembling the yankees pretty

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much able to fight pretty well being

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hypnotized because he knows quite a lot about

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it and , during the sessions

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that the second personality nine stay

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wolcott comes out states

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the opposite of what be and he's been

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a good per try about himself stave

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is rough he's angry and he's

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looks like he's been modeled after

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angelo wanna after personality

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that bank is able to mimic well

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stay use claims responsibility

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for the murders of karen and diane plus

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nine of the ten hillside murders

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in l i they will be

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another personality cold billie

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my billie apparently is the one that gets

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all gets all ickes fight diplomas

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and all this because billie

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is a liar and a con man stays

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is a killer and poor old

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canny he's just such a

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nice guy that got all these people

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doing all these bad stuff any

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the yankee his abs the

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like conning all these professionals

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and then the cops get wind of what's going

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on they get their own guy

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in call the doctor own needs

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able to test be anti and this proves

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that he has multiple personalities

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size in the end they will be several

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professionals several professionals bianca

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using sign and several the

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think he signed would

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this be hanky has to make some sort of decision

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go to trial or am i gonna take

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a plea deal millions up

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taking a plea bargain now,

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what he has to do is guilty

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to two counts of first-degree murder in

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washington that's the bellingham, it is and

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five counts of first-degree murder

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in california that's part

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of the 10, hillside stranglers

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exchange he's

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also going to give testimony

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against blind so

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on october 9th, 79 and

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with sentenced the two life turns

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in washington one outside the

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twenty seconds he was sentenced

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to six concurrent life turns

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in california i

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got says he really really want to do a

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deep dive into the house and nanny

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games with , shrinks and yankees

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really gotta check out a book with with

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china times and saturday dolly it's

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but it's quite interesting how such

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professionals this can be com so

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easily and sometimes i think i

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said this before in other episodes on

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since i want to have a list of

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field ties and so they

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willing to believe anything because

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they my can write about make a book or

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whatever anyone we

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don't have to get on the one i back in glendale

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thesis gonna bury sided i job

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as a nord our past there

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isn't really because investigators don't

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have much on him out of them be ickes confession

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with the anti back enabled back enabled on

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october twenty second one always

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have rested and his auto upholstery

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so as wanna gets arrested

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these ospreys wallet now the he

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replies i don't own a wallet

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a search be fish drop the course

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uncovers a leather wallet know when i

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opened it up not only has a

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to pay inhales with say a police

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badge my of they are attached but

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it also has the imprint of

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a police badge itself the

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machine with this wallet it's quite

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surprising because they had no other

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forensic evidence on wanna he

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doing so careful not to leave any

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behind and to was last these wallet

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which the linked him to the police badge and

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was very lucky to investigators

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as you know they had

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had that the reason why was i will get

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people off the street which because

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someone was using a police

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badge impersonating police wanna

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die kept his mouth shut nice

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except for one instance one instance

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where he did sleep up when talking

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to with stephen bonds a former

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aryan brotherhood member that

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asked him why he killed all girls

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that boy and try replied that

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would not good guy deserved to die

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said have to be done and that he only

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killed a cop says not to worry

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it was reported to police their

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prison snitch information has

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to be taken with taken grain of salt stay

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you can manufacture statements that aren't true

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to help themselves get better conditions or whatever

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but what he told authorities sounded

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like something point something would say

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that than when no good and he said the

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dot now even guarantee had told

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investigators that bwana would say

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they deserve to die so

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would be to had someone then

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you think everything's gone smoke the yankees

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stops writing letters to his strengths

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saying he didn't remember telling anyone

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contradicting want he said to get

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this play deal he wrote that

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what he said to investigators

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with only decided lot best the get

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off the death penalty and to make

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this play deal it again there

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be any already had five

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of the murder charges dropped in

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the l i signs that of the ten right

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he was convicted of the other five and

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the to in bellingham and ,

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he abided the death penalty now

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he thought he seats and is the story

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he would become an unreliable witness

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against his cousin wanna have

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written like a said discover very

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little evidence against him there

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were one i got off his charges

12:30

yankee rec and possibly he could

12:32

get he's conviction overturned

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or at least lessen the fact that

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he'd been a snitch them cause

12:39

they known as as sneaks in prison

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gets you what's called over there a canine

12:44

check mail kind nine is

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a classification for prison informants

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yankee has by fighting game these

12:52

year and having inconsistent statements

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it will be determined that he is truly

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insane and hopefully

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he's thinking he's might get released at

13:02

some stage at least into at prison

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hospital and then out

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without any

13:07

the strong evidence against one the

13:10

yankees sudden unreliability

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is going to be a big issue once he

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is charged and brought the try it's

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gonna be another incredibly crazy

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of then that's gonna happen with bank

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he hides get seats convictions

13:23

for the bellingham murders i the time

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hi gp capt becomes is i'm

13:30

reliable witness guys wanna buy

13:32

smart yeah to scan the way out of convictions

13:34

for the oh i ms of course

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he still got issues with the bellingham

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murders because there's heaps

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of evidence against team now

13:45

when he starts getting these letters from

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this woman veronica when compton

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i think an actress and apply right

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she was born in nineteen fifty six

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see had drug induced psychosis

13:57

and was obsessed with serial killer

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he'd written a screenplay cold

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the mutilated cada that she sent

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to be a key in prisons fighting

14:06

to get he's opinion about it now the

14:08

mutilated cod that was based

14:11

on the hillside strangler now

14:13

my ended up corresponding frequently

14:16

and veronica selling love with him biaggi

14:18

thought she might be able to help him did

14:21

at prison the come up

14:23

with this crazy point in

14:25

the veronica to visit him in prison

14:28

he would slip her some of the same

14:30

and and because she's a non

14:33

secrete are they , be at

14:35

a fight back to his blood thought once

14:37

you do is get out mine

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a woman strangle her and

14:42

he posits said simon on

14:44

the cops i hope

14:46

this would prove that the bellingham strangler

14:49

was still have faded and the yankee

14:51

would have these conviction overturned this

14:53

is crazy

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that my greatest

14:56

the andy katz the thing the ruff

14:58

robert glad he fills up

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with these same and and was able

15:02

to pass it on the for run ago on

15:04

one of the visits hidden in the spine

15:07

of a book veronica

15:09

sticky pages veronica

15:11

ends up going to a bellingham tavern

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and around him begin introduced

15:16

herself as kind to twenty

15:18

six year old kim braids may

15:20

end up having drinks now light at

15:22

a party with teams friends and drinking

15:25

the doing cause and then town

15:27

for , evolves

15:30

team back to her room at the shrine groups

15:32

sang rural i tell for

15:35

a loss during see some of these words

15:37

are discussed they

15:39

want in the rooms veronica attacks

15:42

keep trying to strangle the

15:44

team's finally soft cheese able

15:46

to a skype see fleas a room

15:49

and see notifies of friends veronica

15:52

, the hotel and she ends up flying

15:54

the san francisco and

15:56

when she gets she sees causes

15:59

some sort of seen at the airport

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and that didn't go unnoticed

16:04

and that's reported to police

16:07

still veronica sent to smoke

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she sends a letter and the type

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to bellingham cops styling

16:14

that bank he was innocent and the attempted

16:17

strangling

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day

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the police end up joining the dots

16:22

between the airport ruckus and

16:24

they attempted strangling then

16:26

my pickup veronica for questioning he

16:29

ultimately would be charged with attempted

16:32

murder in non a nightie and she

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ends up getting twenty two years with

16:36

no parole that would think

16:38

she ended up the eligible

16:40

for parole not a nanny for anyone

16:42

that don't worry about it now after

16:45

the filed a tampa get back yard

16:47

radical loses interest in him but

16:50

he ends up falling in love with doug

16:52

clock is another serial killer

16:56

you can't my

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face out

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anyway let's say let's forget

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about her it's about this hillside

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strangler and this trial

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this gonna be one of the longest and most

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expensive in us history

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today it will take two

17:13

years and two million

17:16

dollars nearly

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doesn't get possible really imagery he

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frees died on july six

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eighty one yankee testifies

17:25

that he's not sure if he was telling the

17:27

truth about wanna his involvement

17:29

in the hillside strangler it's them

17:31

blue eyes attorney moves the have all

17:33

charges dropped the guys these client

17:36

melees is denied by the judge

17:38

ronald george he sighs who says

17:41

the would not be in furtherance of

17:43

just then the district

17:45

attorney office then i feel

17:48

this just not enough evidence to convict

17:50

wanna nana gag used chinese

17:53

story and they want

17:55

to drop the case

17:56

luckily this judge

17:58

that's a good thing about

17:59

the breeding

18:00

and he appointed to new attorneys

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and especially investigated to go

18:05

over all the evidence now

18:07

i decide there is in fact enough evidence

18:10

for a conviction he criticized

18:12

the prosecution's a blessing a blessing a much

18:14

to the evidence in the preliminary hearings

18:17

and it was in a thirty six

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page report says he's

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gone i've ah everything quite

18:23

well nearly what why the other

18:26

the original prosecution just wants to keep

18:28

up it's just mind boggling

18:30

imagine if that happened now pedals

18:33

go crazy anywhere in

18:35

november eighty one eighty one trial

18:37

starts now there's gonna be plenty

18:39

of witnesses that would come forward once

18:41

would got out via media that

18:44

the allege hillside stranglers from white

18:46

not and seventy seven were in custody

18:49

this is my talk about four years

18:51

later this trolls die and

18:54

, of the witnesses was twenty four year old

18:56

catherine mary baker she

18:58

was the daughter of accept play the

19:00

lottery what is not worthy

19:02

about her story was that she'd been

19:04

approached by bwana and guarantee

19:07

that we're going to a doctor and of

19:09

course i would just right

19:11

the older

19:12

she recognize them from pitches

19:15

in the news and realized was

19:17

them that had approach to that night but

19:20

as i lot here and now

19:22

going through her i'd see i

19:24

saw a photo of a sitting in peter

19:26

lorre laugh now my manhood

19:29

guy coast i didn't want the extra

19:31

tensions that a missing and murdered

19:33

celebrity daughter would bring

19:36

so he's a trivia fact paid a lorry

19:39

had the role his hands beckett

19:41

a serial killer of children in

19:43

the nineteenth thirty one film

19:46

em vote google that

19:49

gut india local pub true

19:51

crime trivia and when the puts

19:53

when the night without the and he

19:55

would be on the witness stand for

19:58

six months it

20:01

isn't any kids shopping

20:03

and signs he these stories he when and

20:05

he never once looked

20:08

at ease cause wanna now

20:10

there were two hundred and sixteen i'm witnesses

20:12

call by the prosecution and one thousand

20:15

three hundred and on exhibits the go

20:17

with all the circumstantial evidence against

20:19

bwana number ,

20:21

team had one hundred and twenty three witnesses

20:24

and four hundred ninety six exhibits

20:27

now these trial would end up paying

20:30

the p six thousand

20:32

pages long that's

20:35

what the court transcripts fifty the thousand

20:37

pages

20:39

just imagine being the jury

20:42

the prosecution

20:43

basically asserted that the murders and being

20:45

committed by bnp alone and one

20:48

i was his accomplice this was because

20:50

i had such close relationship and had

20:52

lived together the victims were all fan

20:54

in the rough geographical area around

20:57

one as residents and fibers

20:59

fan on to the victims with similar

21:02

that his family materials used by

21:04

bwana and he's upholstery business

21:07

my also stressed the differences

21:09

in the bellingham murders with

21:12

because bwana wasn't the

21:14

bnp stuffed up and was caught

21:16

straight away it's like one

21:18

owns the big binds big binds

21:21

and he make sure he does everything carefully wears

21:23

baggy banks try to wake up

21:25

call also most

21:27

of the hillside strangler victims had a

21:29

d bladders wanna admired

21:32

his victims go to the toilet before

21:34

strangling them saturday wouldn't

21:36

see everywhere when everywhere killed this

21:39

is what happened with the first victim your

21:41

land a washington see paid in

21:43

the car now bwana

21:46

was identified as the driver

21:48

the the car that judith miller

21:50

it got into before she disappeared

21:53

and turned up dead then they with

21:55

the from procession of ex girlfriends

21:58

and sex workers the test the part

22:00

about bois no sexual violence

22:02

and depressed the guy

22:04

just sort of criteria for about thirty

22:07

seconds every bit sensitive young when he

22:09

they expect right can ,

22:11

couple of mean cuts six the sticky

22:13

fingers injuries i get these

22:16

ex girlfriends and sex workers told

22:18

how we would use an lubricated

22:20

build eyes on them pinch them

22:23

by them and make them perform oral

22:25

sex in oral way that they would pass

22:27

out these with

22:29

the shadow that he is pretty violent during

22:32

sex then remember

22:34

the woman one i had terrified in the library

22:36

the night though using the pie find a book

22:39

kimberly martin from the sex agency

22:41

was she identifies one own

22:43

be anti the , mike

22:46

tyson anton chigurh is corroborated

22:48

the fact that what they were by say the cousins

22:50

were they when they both

22:52

kimberly services image

22:55

becky speed and sab rihanna who

22:57

bank team won on and pimped out

23:00

at the upholstery shops they also

23:02

gave testimony on how the was forced

23:04

to serve clients were violently

23:06

abuse their rights but will ultimately

23:09

able to escape new

23:11

the defense which one of the lawyers

23:13

is of a mile catherine made or

23:15

and i gotta say miles to make it look

23:17

better they say the

23:19

bank he can't be trusted and

23:21

all though at one time they were

23:24

friends the one i had kicked

23:26

him out causing biaggi to resenting

23:29

they also say because be and he stayed

23:31

at wanna his house which was attached to the

23:33

aboard our pollsters shops that the

23:35

fibers could have been transfer for

23:38

transferred when he was

23:40

saying one big thing

23:42

the defense brought up with the bnp had

23:44

been arrested in january nine

23:46

seventy nine and blah know

23:49

he just made no attempt to run

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in the ten months it took to arrest him

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even though he knew he was probably

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under surveillance melody

23:58

since said that he actual habits

24:00

were exotic am i didn't make

24:03

him a pervert or a killer you

24:05

to turn it is kathryn my my

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into the same and said

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that a lot of women like

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to be bossed around and that a lotta

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women a captivated by this man

24:16

that they couldn't control she said

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the witnesses were too ashamed to say

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that he wasn't that bad and i enjoyed

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it i just wouldn't admit that to

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police she also said that

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what he did wasn't that bizarre

24:30

and the prosecution make the leap

24:32

of using deal those a anal

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sex q even

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produce a book by irving wallace

24:39

the sex lives of famous people

24:42

noting that the author of alice through

24:44

the looking glass lewis carroll had

24:47

of six i assume with little girls

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under the age of ten like

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many famous people had these

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strikes wow

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imagine seeing that in port

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these days or just tweeting

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about it like that like gabi

25:03

bwana you know he's not

25:05

that bad everyone sorta got

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they think in , it's

25:10

just wouldn't go down that well what the

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only seven of this twelve jurors

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were famer and so we're

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all the five alternate and

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twelve of the seventeen were

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black to latino including

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had prayed for a month a pipe fitter a

25:26

housewife and a pan am flight

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attendant by the prosecution

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and defense were happy

25:33

with that makes now after

25:36

all been said and done the

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judge as the jury's consider

25:40

all ten verdict separately so

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it took him nine days to reach

25:45

the first verdict with one eye being

25:47

found guilty of the murder of eighteen

25:49

year old jews judith way

25:52

now

25:53

right i smile he be acquitted

25:55

of the murder of your land a washington the

25:58

on the fourteenth day he was fun the guilty

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of the murder of judy miller then

26:03

over the course of the next nine dicey be found

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guilty on the seven other murders

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and this was november ninety november

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ninety five years

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after the first murder and as i said before

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two years after the start of this trial

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and at the end of the trial bwana would just make

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one statement because he didn't get

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to the witness box

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he said

26:24

my morals and constitutional

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rights as been broken wanna

26:30

would be since the life without parole

26:32

and spade the death sentence he

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would die in prison on the twenty first

26:36

the september two thousand and two

26:38

at six sixty seven years of age

26:41

now yankee they still seven time

26:43

and washington state penitentiary

26:45

walla walla watching that he

26:47

was denied parole and twenty ten body

26:50

can apply again apply again

26:52

twenty five

26:54

wow what a kite

26:56

the only good thing is

26:58

that these maggots were by finally caught

27:00

and convicted they'll

27:02

be kind one i'm yanking

27:04

which has to the pride scam that

27:07

set off a job it's crazy

27:09

how in the short period between mid

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october mid december seventy seven

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just two months by abducted

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right tortured and killed nine

27:19

when and i'm learn more in january

27:21

seventy eight they hadn't

27:23

been for guaranteed to try and emulate

27:26

his behavior bellingham in january

27:28

and seventy nine they probably

27:31

would have never been caught because they seem

27:33

to be very little forensic evidence

27:35

left behind the little

27:37

in fact that it was be anti leaving so

27:39

much evidence behind in bellingham murders

27:42

the bwana even got to try

27:44

the trial the prosecution wanted to drop

27:47

because initially i just thought

27:49

it wouldn't be enough to convict lucky

27:52

the judge rejected that and got a new

27:54

people to prosecute and

27:56

what about that you to get

27:59

his at the guys the only is not

28:01

only would the links as the trial be draining

28:03

on the sol but i had to say all the crime

28:05

scene photos of all the victims

28:08

that in excel

28:10

would have been shocking the

28:13

middle and the has to he the graphic

28:15

depictions of how a to the

28:17

murders when down the

28:19

that it'd be an abundance of dna

28:21

evidence that links h to these murders

28:24

to stop we just linking the murders not

28:26

only together but also getting

28:28

the perpetrators now i

28:31

wasn't able to find out where the victims

28:33

close would despise now i'm just assuming

28:36

seeing as how much the murders occurred

28:38

at the auto upholstery shops that

28:40

was just checked out either industrial

28:43

dump danced as on site

28:45

whatever one i same to not

28:47

keep any thrive these that yankee

28:49

does and kind linking him

28:51

to the l a murders which got this home

28:54

price well i mean why

28:56

not both now one i was

28:59

scared they get everything is

29:01

quite as he could be his biggest

29:03

mistake was getting banki involved

29:05

as an accomplice lastly

29:08

your i suppose someone has

29:11

to be as a defense attorney their

29:13

job is to put forward the best case

29:15

for the a clients and if i don't

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really put a good case on that

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so wise grants for an appeal

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catherine made his comments about

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women jake august

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second seats waited that the dicey

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good deeds babies dry

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of death for the better

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