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Anna Garcia. Our cases this week

1:20

are all about parents who have

1:22

been killed by their children, according

1:24

to police, a mother, and an

1:26

adored school teacher is killed, say police

1:29

by her adult son. Her husband, the

1:31

father of the accused killer, says that

1:34

their son suffers from mental illness. The young

1:36

man has been arrested, the husband has lost

1:38

his wife, and it appears at the hands

1:41

of his own son. What would

1:43

justice look like in this case?

1:45

But first, a furious daughter. She

1:48

was upset because her father had cut her

1:50

out of the will, and she was equally

1:52

mad because he was selling the family beach

1:55

house and wouldn't let his daughter, a real

1:57

estate Agent, get the listing and the

1:59

big. The Mission on that million

2:01

dollar property she's been convicted of

2:03

murder though insists that it wasn't

2:05

her best. How then do you

2:08

explain away one huge piece of

2:10

evidence. She. Drove her are

2:12

we. To and from

2:14

murder scene. It's not

2:16

like you can hide that thing all

2:18

right. We're recording this on Wednesday, May

2:21

fifteenth of twenty twenty four hour. Guess

2:23

today is Allison Trees or a criminal

2:25

Defense attorney a legal experts who also

2:27

provides analysis on Access Hollywood and K

2:30

T L A. It's the Tv station

2:32

here in Los Angeles. Allison Welcome back

2:34

to the program. Thank. You

2:36

for having me. I'll always love spending

2:38

some time with you and talking crime.

2:41

My favorite. Me: To You are

2:43

absolutely a fan favorite! Without question everyone

2:45

gets really excited on you tube when

2:47

they're like well as as bag. Race:

2:50

So. Allison. Ah, We've got

2:52

to see two cases here

2:55

where there is a theme.

2:57

It's like children. Killing

2:59

parents press for to radically different

3:01

reasons. if there can be a

3:04

reason and motivation I think in

3:06

one there's it's pretty clear and

3:08

the other one is just very

3:10

very sad. Yeah I mean Louis

3:13

say oh we have two cases

3:15

riots were children killed their parents.

3:17

And I feel very strongly

3:20

about. I. Feel

3:22

differently about each one

3:24

one I would. Represent

3:26

person in a heartbeat. The other

3:29

I'd say oh my goodness, we

3:31

have big problems. This is not

3:33

a winnable case. How the could

3:35

do so. Coal.

3:38

Cold hearted leave without

3:40

any recourse. Kill.

3:42

Your father. And. Another

3:45

elderly woman? Unbelievable.

3:48

It really is. Our first case is

3:50

out of the Jersey Shore. It is

3:52

from Surf City which is on Long

3:54

Beach Island now sir Cities a really

3:57

small community. Nothing ever happens there. I

3:59

used to be. reporter, a South Jersey

4:01

reporter, I can assure you this

4:03

is an idyllic little area with beautiful

4:05

white sand beaches, the kind of place

4:08

where some people now live year-round. There

4:10

have always been people who

4:12

live year-round, but really it's kind of like a summer

4:14

beach community. And the houses

4:17

there are very, very expensive. It's exquisite,

4:19

a little slice of heaven, as I

4:21

like to say. So this

4:23

beach house that belonged

4:25

to the family is really at

4:28

the center of this case because

4:30

the house was up for sale and

4:32

was in contract at the time of

4:34

the murder. And the

4:36

father had decided that, well,

4:39

he wasn't going to let his daughter represent him

4:41

in this sale and she was a real estate agent.

4:43

So she was mad about that. And she was mad

4:45

about being cut out of the will.

4:48

So understandably,

4:50

57-year-old Sherri Lee Heffner

4:53

has been convicted and given

4:56

two life sentences for murdering

4:59

her 87-year-old father, John Jack

5:01

Enders, and his 75-year-old live-in

5:05

girlfriend, Francois Frenchie

5:08

Pitoy, I guess is how you

5:10

would pronounce the last name. So Jack,

5:14

you know, had a pretty

5:16

horrible relationship with this daughter and his

5:18

other daughter. They were estranged. So Allison,

5:21

when there's that kind of family turmoil

5:23

going on here, yeah, yeah.

5:26

So, you know, when you look at a case, right,

5:29

and although motive never

5:32

has to be proven in a

5:34

criminal case, when you look

5:36

at a case, you look at a couple things. You

5:38

look at motive, you

5:41

look at means, and

5:44

you look at opportunity. Okay, that's sort

5:46

of when you're putting together a case,

5:49

could this person have done it? What

5:51

is the motive? What is the means?

5:53

I wish they did it. Was there

5:55

an opportunity? Focusing right now on

5:57

motive, this is a very very

6:00

strong motive. In so many cases,

6:03

where's the money? Where's the money

6:06

going? Does someone feel that they

6:08

should get that money that they're not

6:10

going to get? And that is

6:12

a very strong motive. We

6:15

understand that she

6:18

and her sister,

6:20

that their father's

6:22

will had been updated

6:24

and she and her sister were

6:26

out, that he had a

6:29

trust of some kind. This home had

6:31

been taken out of the trust that

6:34

the home was going to sell for like $1.9 million.

6:37

That is

6:39

a lot of money. That is a lot

6:41

of money that she was angry that

6:44

she was not going to be

6:47

the real estate representative in the sale

6:49

of a home, that

6:52

the will had been changed to

6:54

boot her out of

6:57

the inheritance. And

6:59

according to her own

7:02

son, Anna, there

7:04

was a strange relationship, a

7:06

strange relationship between his mother,

7:09

so Sherry, and

7:11

the girlfriend of

7:19

the father, because

7:21

she considered her, quote, a

7:23

gold digger who

7:25

was pressuring the father, Mr.

7:27

Enders, to sell the beach

7:30

house. Yeah, she did

7:32

not like Frenchie. No, she did not

7:35

like, you know, we can't even, we

7:37

can't really call her the stepmom. They

7:39

were in a relationship and living together,

7:41

but she just thought that Frenchie

7:44

was. For her, right? I mean, the argument

7:46

is, well, this woman comes into the picture

7:48

and all of a sudden I'm out of

7:51

the will, she's pressuring him to sell the house.

7:53

And if something happens to him,

7:55

she's going to get to the house over my

7:57

dead body. Or in this case, over my dead

8:00

Over her dead body. Over both of

8:02

their dead bodies. Over both of

8:04

their dead bodies. It's unbelievable.

8:06

You know, the fact

8:08

that this house was worth

8:11

so much, and again, that area

8:13

is very of New Jersey, it's

8:15

very expensive, very exclusive. I'm

8:18

just gonna give everyone a little bit

8:20

of a timeframe so you can see

8:22

how this evolved. So the house

8:24

was moved out of the trust in

8:27

May of 2021. And

8:29

of course, Sherry was not happy

8:31

about this. So several months

8:34

later, in September,

8:37

September 29, she

8:40

then decides she's

8:42

hell bent on doing something about this.

8:45

So she drives from

8:47

Pennsylvania where she lives, down to the

8:49

Jersey Shore, in her

8:52

RV, a Winnebago, Allison. First

8:55

of all, I mean, we're gonna get to the violence of

8:57

this act, but I need

9:00

to point out- That's not a

9:02

inconspicuous car. That's just the stupidity

9:04

of driving a giant vehicle. And

9:08

this area is not heavily populated.

9:11

And at the end of September,

9:13

I can assure you, it was

9:15

not that busy. So

9:18

an RV is pretty easy to spot, and

9:20

it was spotted on the bridge cameras, because

9:22

it's not like it's easy to get on

9:25

and off LBI. And

9:27

so it's spotted on bridge cameras. This

9:31

RV is also spotted by

9:33

neighborhood ring cameras, and

9:35

it's big, you can't camouflage this

9:37

thing. You know, one of the things

9:39

that has really changed in the

9:43

way officers investigate crimes,

9:46

you know, obviously the huge advancements

9:49

in DNA, but more importantly, in

9:51

my mind, okay, is

9:53

the availability and

9:55

accessibility of cameras. I

10:01

worked on a case and there was a

10:03

statistic that was that the average person can

10:06

be seen on a video camera like

10:08

over 200 times a day and

10:11

so the idea that somehow

10:13

you can drive at 448

10:16

in the morning in

10:18

a fairly desolate area in an

10:20

RV and

10:23

you cross over a bridge and

10:26

there are cameras literally lining

10:28

the way and

10:30

providing the police with

10:33

a map of where you're

10:35

going then where you Then

10:38

how long you're there and when you leave

10:41

Those kinds of things are really really

10:44

strong evidence that weren't present before but

10:47

it should Send a

10:49

reminder to criminals that if you're

10:51

really thinking about getting committing a

10:53

crime and getting away with it

10:56

It's virtually impossible because there is going

10:59

to be a camera

11:01

Somewhere along that route if

11:03

not multiple cameras. Well,

11:05

I don't think she was she was thinking clearly,

11:08

you know and In

11:10

this case, it's not about you know

11:12

was she is blind rage though.

11:14

This is rage exactly Yeah, and this

11:16

is premeditated. I mean, this is not

11:19

something that we're gonna talk about the other

11:21

case Where I feel

11:23

very differently about it, but I mean

11:25

this is this is a case where

11:27

this was pre-planned I mean, this was

11:29

pre planned you do not

11:31

get into a vehicle her

11:33

own son, by the way Explained

11:37

it to the police as

11:39

a midnight dash. I mean they

11:43

When he's you know, I mean he explained about

11:45

the animosity Between the

11:47

father and the father's girlfriend

11:50

and his mother and called it

11:52

a midnight dash People

11:54

don't go places in the middle of

11:56

the night Without

11:59

some. Explanation. Yeah.

12:02

And and with this blind rage

12:04

when you think about. You.

12:07

Know. I. Think some people may

12:09

have surmised first will maybe she went

12:11

there to talk to them and force

12:14

them perhaps to change their minds, but

12:16

that does does not seem the case.

12:18

And here's the thing by killing them.

12:21

She's already been cut out of the will. So.

12:23

Then you kill them, right? How

12:26

do you benefit? How

12:28

do you benefit? How do I can

12:30

you argue lose everything Bought a me

12:32

is the argument then that. The

12:34

it would revert back. You.

12:36

Know who had that will

12:38

been properly fire I old

12:40

habit been a notarized any

12:42

revert back to. The original well

12:44

that included her. I mean see in

12:47

a week without those are some lessons

12:49

of people always. They somehow said both

12:51

if they're gone they were if me

12:53

revert back to will that I was

12:55

involved and and in I guess what

12:57

I'm reminded of what my father would

12:59

tell me when I was growing up.

13:01

I'd like to like sale too late

13:03

he said nothing good happens after to

13:05

a at length when you're out of

13:08

for forty eight in the morning. Nothing

13:10

good, hands and nothing

13:12

good did happen. This

13:14

surveillance footage captured. Ah,

13:17

I'm someone approaching. Jax.

13:19

Home just before six am. another cameras

13:22

and capture some when exiting over the

13:24

backyard. Fence hopping The sense and

13:26

tax. Home and around six

13:28

forty two. So. Much

13:31

less. than an hour inside

13:33

the house to commit these murders

13:35

and the figure in the video

13:37

was wearing oversize clothes and caring

13:40

and orange bag now series winnebago

13:42

that massive thing was caught again

13:44

i'm bridge cameras leaving long beach

13:46

island at six sixty eight so

13:49

up you know it would be

13:51

and then it would be several

13:53

days allison before the bodies weren't

13:55

even found they were discovered on

13:58

october third and according to the

14:00

affidavit, it was one of Frenchie's

14:02

relatives who requested a welfare

14:06

check and when police got there, they

14:08

could already see through the window. Right.

14:11

Just to go back a little

14:13

bit on the, on

14:15

her route back. So

14:18

it's route 72. At the entrance

14:21

of the Garden State Parkway, there

14:24

is a license

14:26

plate reader, license plate

14:28

reader that has the

14:30

RV registered to her.

14:35

Right. Exactly.

14:37

And then, and because witnesses,

14:40

right, had seen on these home

14:42

surveillance cameras, they had seen the

14:44

RV and then you get a

14:46

really, really clear number on

14:48

the RV and then it's, it

14:51

goes dot, dot, dot, dot, dot all the

14:53

way back to her. In fact, when police

14:56

went to talk to her, finally,

15:00

what was parked in the driveway? The

15:02

RV. The RV. Oh,

15:04

by the way, her son who again did her no

15:07

favors said, I don't know, she's the only one that's

15:09

been driving it for the last couple of weeks. Yeah.

15:14

Yeah. It is just unbelievable.

15:17

So inside the house, they

15:20

find it's just horrific. So

15:22

you can already see Jack from outside.

15:25

So Jack is sitting in a chair,

15:28

like, you know, I would call a

15:30

big arm chair and Frenchie is,

15:34

she's been, they've both been stabbed.

15:36

There's blood everywhere and she's on a staircase.

15:38

They're both clearly dead and have been dead

15:40

for days. So there were

15:42

also bloody footprints and there was

15:44

also blood on the fence from

15:47

where the murderer had hopped over

15:49

the fence. Remember we saw something

15:51

on surveillance video. Right. The

15:53

medical examiner conducted autopsies the following

15:55

day, concluding both steps were clearly

15:57

homicides and Jack died of

15:59

a combination. of blunt force trauma and

16:02

multiple stab wounds, which resulted in a

16:05

severed right artery

16:07

and then that would be 51

16:09

stab wounds. 51. Oh, that's

16:11

the other. Yes. It's the number of

16:13

stab wounds. Let's discuss that because here's

16:16

what's bizarre. Prosecutors said

16:18

during her trial, they

16:21

said, you know, when she got there, they were both in

16:23

bed and that she had shot

16:26

both of them in the mouth not

16:29

to kill them, but kind

16:31

of to just slowly in a

16:33

torturous way, kill them. And

16:36

that she had dragged her father down

16:38

to the recliner and then

16:41

proceeded to stab and slash him 51 times

16:46

for the dad and 39 times

16:49

for Frenchie. What do you make of this? So

16:51

their theory and if in

16:53

fact, because she's

16:56

always denied that

16:58

she killed them. Okay, so we never

17:01

actually got the story as

17:04

to how it played out from

17:07

her and the only other

17:09

two eyewitnesses are dead. But

17:12

if and the jury definitely

17:15

believe that she did it, right? Because she

17:17

was convicted, but the

17:19

prosecutor's theory, and

17:21

when I read this, it was surprising. I had

17:24

never heard it as a

17:26

crime explained quite this

17:28

way, is that she

17:30

was somehow able to

17:32

shoot them both in the mouth that

17:36

were non fatal, and

17:38

then intentionally bring

17:41

him downstairs to this chair where

17:43

they are eye to eye so

17:46

that he can watch

17:49

as she stabs him that

17:52

she did this purposefully

17:55

so that he would remain alive

17:58

as she stabbed him 51 times. The

18:02

jury convicted her, so

18:06

we know that she is guilty

18:08

of the crime. And

18:12

it takes someone with a truly

18:14

depraved heart to

18:16

stab anyone 51 times. But

18:20

to me, it is

18:22

so much exponentially worse if

18:25

in fact she wanted him

18:27

to look at her and his

18:30

last images as he's dying

18:33

is his own daughter

18:37

stabbing him repeatedly.

18:40

And one

18:43

of the people that testified at

18:45

the sentencing hearing told

18:49

the court, the public,

18:51

the world, his little

18:54

girl grew up to be a monster.

18:58

Can you imagine Anna, this is

19:00

your child and the last image

19:02

you see as you lay there

19:05

dying is your

19:07

child who at some point

19:09

he absolutely adored. That

19:12

was the information that came in that

19:14

he adored this

19:16

woman that the last image

19:19

you see alive is your own

19:21

child stabbing you and that

19:23

that was done on purpose so

19:26

that he could watch as she

19:28

stabbed him. Well

19:30

here's the thing about the adoration here.

19:34

So okay, he obviously you know you love

19:36

your children but he did cut her out

19:39

of the will. He would not let her

19:41

represent him in the sale of

19:43

his house. Not that he's obligated as a father by any

19:46

means, right? He has the free choice but

19:49

clearly something was wrong here in this

19:52

relationship. I mean obviously it had suffered.

19:54

I mean obviously things had gone very

19:56

very wrong but

19:58

just the idea that this is your child.

20:01

This is your child. And

20:03

I did, you know, I found

20:06

it really interesting, I watched some of the

20:09

closing argument for the defense,

20:11

you know, and sometimes you

20:13

have to dig really deep

20:15

as a defense attorney to

20:17

find anything that is helpful.

20:21

And, you know,

20:23

trying to argue, well, it could have been

20:25

a different day, and she wasn't around that

20:27

day. Yes, she was there that day, but

20:29

she wasn't around that day. That's flimsy. You

20:33

know, or the glove that was found, it

20:35

had blood, but it didn't have,

20:38

you know, certain DNA, but there

20:40

was DNA found. So

20:42

it was as, in

20:45

my mind, as weak

20:47

as a defense as you've been lodged, but

20:49

sometimes you have so very little, you have

20:51

so very little. Yeah,

20:54

it's just, it's just so

20:57

interesting to me, like, this

21:00

clearly has been festering for a long time, because

21:02

I think when you get to that rage

21:05

where you're driving down there, and you're going to

21:07

do something, and if you know, I don't know

21:09

whether it was her gun or their gun, but

21:12

I always say to myself, you

21:14

have multiple chances and opportunities to

21:16

step yourself. Right?

21:18

As you're driving down there, you have plenty of time,

21:21

it's at least an hour and a half drive, maybe

21:23

more. Right? Right. When you park,

21:25

when you get in there, you have multiple

21:27

opportunities where you can use your self control

21:29

button, right? Find it somewhere, even if you

21:31

have to dig it up. And

21:35

she did then, she did not. And then

21:37

we're going to get to her. Well,

21:39

what I'm going to call her performance at

21:42

sentencing. Because I'm

21:44

going to want you to hear two

21:47

daughters speaking at sentencing.

21:50

One the convicted killer and one the daughter,

21:52

Frenchy's daughter. And I want the two of

21:54

you, I want all of you to compare

21:56

those two. And you tell me what you

21:58

think. We're going to get to that in just a second. let's

22:00

finish with some of the evidence and what's happened

22:02

because then I think you'll get

22:04

the totality and the impact of

22:07

that moment, that sentencing. Right,

22:09

and I'll tell you, it

22:12

was an interesting defense strategy to me

22:15

because you do have dry

22:17

blood in the Winnebago, you

22:19

do have the shell casing, and

22:22

then the ammunition that

22:24

matches, founded her home. Those

22:28

kinds, that kind of

22:30

physical evidence is

22:33

so hard to overcome. The

22:36

dry blood of the victims in the

22:38

RV. Yeah,

22:41

yeah. I mean, it's just,

22:43

this was a, this

22:47

was an overwhelmingly strong

22:49

case for the prosecution. So

22:52

then on October 4th of 2021, remember,

22:56

again, a few days later, Sherry

22:58

was arrested for the murder of her

23:00

father and for his girlfriend.

23:02

She was arrested in Landenburg, Pennsylvania.

23:04

Now she was eventually extradited to

23:06

New Jersey because then she would

23:08

be tried there. And

23:11

she was claiming that she had been

23:14

framed, that she was framed, she didn't

23:16

do this, she was innocent. And she

23:18

insisted that all the way through the

23:20

trial and through sentencing. And she becomes

23:23

very emotional in

23:26

her speech to the court. So in

23:28

January of 2022, just

23:30

to get back to the house for

23:32

a second, the house ultimately did sell

23:34

to another buyer. And it sold for

23:36

a little less, 1.7, because

23:38

there are a lot of people who

23:41

will not buy a house if

23:43

they know that people have been murdered

23:45

there. There was a double homicide

23:47

in that house. I mean, yeah,

23:50

I mean, the value of the

23:52

home drops. Yeah,

23:54

absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. There were just

23:56

some people who can't handle that. So then in

23:59

February of this... year a

24:01

jury found Sherry guilty of two counts

24:03

of murder and weapons charges. Now sentencing

24:06

was May 10th just a few

24:08

days ago and speaking at

24:10

her sentencing again Sherry remained

24:13

adamant that she had not committed these murders.

24:17

Now for those of you listening her

24:19

hands are shackled she's wearing a green

24:21

and white striped prison suit she is

24:23

addressing the court now and I want

24:26

you to listen you all listen to

24:28

her in her own words. Let's

24:31

play the clip. So

25:05

there she is incredibly emotional

25:07

crying I

25:10

don't know whether any of any of

25:12

you believe her because it

25:14

was noted by a reporter covering the

25:17

case that after she

25:19

calmed down she had this

25:21

weird slight you

25:25

know snickery

25:27

little grinn grinn grinn

25:29

grinnest smile there's something about

25:31

it yes didn't set right

25:34

with the reporters who noticed it look you

25:36

can read into it now I'm

25:40

going to play a clip from

25:42

Frenchie's daughter okay

25:45

so you have Sherry who's lost her

25:47

dad but but

25:49

the legal system says at her own

25:51

hands and now we're going to a

25:53

victim who without question is completely innocent

25:55

here we have the daughter

25:58

of Frenchie this is Valerie Lewis Evans.

26:01

Listen to her plea. Between

26:30

Heaven and Earth, we've never

26:32

changed. And

27:00

she's still proclaiming her

27:03

innocence. And any

27:05

of those crocodile tears, I

27:08

would take as just simply offensive. If I

27:10

was the family, I'd say

27:12

even now after conviction, no

27:15

remorse, you're not contrite. The

27:19

only thing I can think of is a reason

27:21

that she would is if you're

27:24

going to argue on appeal

27:26

that you're factually innocent, you then

27:28

of course cannot admit

27:30

your guilt at the time of

27:32

sentencing. And at that

27:34

point, because she'd been convicted of double

27:36

homicide, she knew that she was going

27:38

to get life in prison. And

27:42

so that is the

27:44

only sort of excuse that I have

27:46

for her as to why she would

27:48

continue to proclaim her innocence. But

27:51

to go on the way she did, to say,

27:54

oh, I would exchange their lives

27:56

for mine. I'm the victim here.

28:01

So it's

28:04

really something else to claim

28:06

that you're an orphan when you killed their

28:08

parents, right? It really is.

28:11

It really is. And these statements

28:13

did not sway the judge who sentenced

28:15

Sherry to two life sentences for the

28:17

murders. Sherry will be required to

28:19

serve 63 years, nine months,

28:21

and three days without the possibility of

28:23

parole for these murders. She

28:26

will die in prison. Yeah. I

28:28

mean, she's 57. So unless she has

28:31

some secret serum that I don't know

28:33

about, she will

28:35

die in prison. She will die in prison.

28:37

And again, I ask, how

28:40

did you make things better

28:42

for your situation? You thought you

28:44

were wronged, right? From her

28:46

perspective, she was wronged. Her father pulled her out

28:49

of the will, you know, selling

28:51

this house that they all loved. She

28:53

can't even collect the

28:56

commission if she had represented as

28:58

the seller's real estate agent.

29:01

How in the world did you fix your problems

29:03

here by killing them? How are you better off?

29:05

So Anna, you and I have known each

29:08

other for over 20 years. We

29:11

have done crime together for that

29:13

long. And

29:17

it is always, it is

29:19

almost always the case that

29:21

the blind rage, the greed

29:24

always trump

29:32

any thought, any rational

29:35

thought. It is

29:37

never, ever worth it. It is never

29:39

going to work out in your way. You

29:41

know, when a spouse kills the

29:43

other spouse, who are the police going

29:45

to look at? Who are the police going to look at?

29:49

If you think you're going to get the life

29:51

insurance, there is

29:53

a law that precludes the person

29:55

that killed you from collecting the

29:58

life insurance. And now,

30:01

as opposed to 20 years ago when

30:03

you and I first started talking about cases

30:05

like this, the advancements

30:08

of DNA and

30:10

ring cameras on everybody's

30:13

doors and cameras everywhere

30:15

you go, cell phone

30:17

towers, you are

30:19

going to get caught. It

30:21

may not be the day of, but

30:23

you're going to get caught and you have

30:26

to say to yourself, is the

30:28

punishment that I am going to face, which

30:30

is sitting in a very,

30:34

very small cell, never deciding when you're going

30:36

to get up in the morning, never deciding

30:38

when you're going to bed at night. You

30:40

don't make any, never getting to

30:42

eat your favorite meal again. Is

30:44

it worth it? Is it worth it? Murder

30:48

is not the solution to your problems.

30:50

I say it over and over again

30:53

and yet people seem to think that

30:55

it can and it did not. And in this

30:57

case, she thought she had lost

31:00

it all. No, now

31:02

she has lost it all.

31:05

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31:07

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32:07

podcasts. Our

32:12

next case is really in

32:14

our backyard, Burbank, California. And

32:17

here, a school teacher has been

32:19

murdered in her home and

32:21

police say at the hands

32:23

of her son. The victim

32:25

is 57-year-old Karen Lombardo. And

32:28

the accused is her 25-year-old

32:30

son Kyle Lombardo. She

32:34

and her husband Vince had been

32:36

married for 31 years. They

32:39

shared two children. Kyle

32:41

still lived at home and his

32:44

father said because he faced many

32:47

mental health challenges,

32:49

could not be on his own,

32:51

was struggling. Apparently,

32:54

he had had a few diagnoses.

32:56

The father only shared some. He

32:59

said that his son suffered, had

33:02

ADD and

33:05

also had Asperger's syndrome.

33:08

But it sounds like there is a lot more

33:10

going on here, a lot

33:12

more than that because those two things alone,

33:15

though incredibly challenging without question.

33:19

It sounds like there was

33:22

a problem specifically with violence

33:24

and self-control because

33:26

the father said that the police had been

33:28

called multiple times to the home for

33:30

help. So when this

33:32

happened, the father was out of town

33:36

and it's

33:38

about the worst call you can get. It

33:41

happened at 10 p.m.

33:44

on May 7th and

33:47

the mother was dead and there was nothing to

33:49

be done. So the question is, what happened

33:52

here? What happened? Because,

33:56

Alison, I feel so badly for

33:59

the father surviving son.

34:03

What do you do with this? You've

34:05

lived for what, 25 years with the

34:07

struggles of your child trying to care

34:09

for your child. Yeah. You love

34:11

your wife. You want

34:13

to help your son. Your wife has been murdered

34:16

and police say at the hands of your

34:18

son. Like where

34:21

and how do you begin with justice here? Right

34:23

and first of all let me say that I'm

34:25

so honored to be on your show

34:28

today talking about this

34:30

because mental health

34:33

and representing people who have significant

34:37

mental health issues has always sort of

34:39

been my calling. It is I think

34:42

one of the things that I'm most known for

34:44

is you know I recently represented a woman who

34:47

was accused of killing

34:49

two of her children who had postpartum

34:53

delusions and

34:56

so to me I look at

34:58

this case for under a very

35:00

different microscope than I look at

35:02

other cases. That is not you know without

35:08

question. There are missing

35:10

pieces so far that need to be filled

35:12

in and I want to

35:14

start by saying we're using the words

35:16

allegedly because he has not been tried.

35:18

He has not been convicted. It is

35:21

on the prosecution to prove

35:25

his guilt and

35:27

so these are allegations only

35:29

and he is presumed

35:32

to be not guilty so I

35:34

want to start with that but what

35:37

I want our listeners to

35:40

walk through with us is

35:42

if you know someone who

35:45

has a mental illness or

35:47

if your child is suffering

35:49

from mental illness. There

35:52

are steps that should be

35:54

taken along the way that

35:56

are important to understand and

35:58

to know Not

36:00

all of these cases are preventable, they're just

36:02

not. But there

36:05

are signs and there

36:07

are resources and one of the things that

36:09

the father said is

36:11

the resources are so

36:13

scarce that there are not

36:16

available hospital beds. You

36:18

have to wait months and months to

36:20

get an appointment to be seen by

36:22

a therapist or a doctor. But

36:26

in this case, according to the

36:28

father, he's out of town. He

36:32

gets a phone call from his

36:34

son, from his son who

36:37

according to the father, he did not elaborate

36:39

and unfortunately this is going to be a

36:41

very, this is

36:43

going to be one of those cases where

36:46

the prosecutions

36:50

star witness in this case is

36:52

going to be the father based on

36:55

what had led up to this incident.

36:58

He lived in the house with both

37:00

of them. The police

37:02

had been called on prior occasions, the

37:04

prosecutors are going to want to know

37:07

what they were called for, what kind

37:09

of violent tendencies that

37:12

their son had. But equally

37:15

important is what did his

37:17

son say to him happened

37:19

that night. I

37:22

found it very interesting and

37:24

striking and important to

37:26

say there was a statement

37:28

and this

37:34

is according to the police that

37:36

they respond on May 7, 2024 for

37:38

a call of an unconscious female.

37:43

The mother is found dead. The

37:47

father does not believe that

37:49

his son killed her on

37:51

purpose. He had been out

37:53

of town and this is where it's interesting. According

37:57

to dad, Kyle called saying that There

38:00

was some kind of altercation and mother's

38:03

head was hit. That

38:08

doesn't explain enough

38:10

to me. It

38:15

doesn't say that she fell and hit her

38:17

head. Mother's son was hit.

38:20

So that unfortunately

38:22

puts him sort of at the

38:25

center of what happened here. And

38:28

to prove sort of the corpus

38:30

of the case, you're

38:35

going to be using dad's testimony

38:37

unless the son gives a complete statement. So

38:41

that to me is really, really

38:43

sad. It is and

38:45

we have a clip that

38:47

we can play for you of the

38:49

father Vince describing this in his own words.

38:53

So you can see his demeanor, his tone. You

38:56

can see he's just, he's been through hell and

38:58

back. And this is

39:00

what the father Vince told ABC seven news. Here's

39:03

a clip. He's mentally challenged and

39:05

he didn't want to choke her. There was

39:07

some type of altercation that, that

39:09

her head was hit. So

39:12

as a defense attorney, we know who the person is, right? So

39:17

there's no question of whether of identification.

39:20

This is the person. And

39:22

so you look at two things. You

39:25

look at, well, was this self-defense? Were

39:30

they battling? Was the mother the initial

39:32

aggressor? And was he doing this

39:34

to defend himself? I

39:39

would probably pretty quickly rule

39:41

that out as a defense

39:43

because it's a probable, it's

39:45

an improbable scenario. And so

39:47

then I asked, well, is he

39:50

not guilty by reason of

39:53

insanity? So the first things, and this is why I say this, is

39:57

that he's not guilty by reason of insanity. that

40:00

I'm so honored to be on your

40:02

show today is because this

40:04

is sort of my wheelhouse and

40:07

the first thing you ask is, is

40:10

he immediately competent to stand trial?

40:12

Okay so that's the first question.

40:15

Do you question his competency right

40:17

now? Does he understand

40:20

the nature of the charges against

40:22

him? Does he understand the nature

40:24

of the proceedings? Does he understand

40:26

who the players and the courtroom

40:29

are? Does he know who a

40:31

judge is, a prosecutor, a defense

40:34

attorney? Is he cooperating at all

40:37

in his defense? So the

40:39

first question we will learn in

40:41

the upcoming court date is, is

40:43

his public defender who has

40:47

said he didn't intend to kill her,

40:49

is he going to question, is he going to

40:52

raise a doubt as to the mental

40:55

competency of his client?

40:57

He may, he may not. If

40:59

he does, the case

41:02

will then be sent to mental health court

41:05

and to essentially

41:07

restore his sanity, not for

41:09

purposes of the underlying criminal

41:11

case, the murder case, but

41:13

so that he can go

41:16

to trial understanding that

41:18

limited understanding of what the nature

41:21

of the charges are, what he's

41:23

being accused with, and to assist

41:26

in the preparation of his defense.

41:29

Oh my gosh this is so sad, you know,

41:31

because the father, the father said that Kyle

41:34

had been given multiple

41:36

prescriptions over the years for

41:38

his mental health

41:40

issues, multiple, and he

41:42

said that really none of, none of

41:45

these prescriptions, these medicines were

41:47

effective and then to complicate matters,

41:51

the father said that Kyle had had

41:53

trouble receiving mental health services from the

41:55

state, right, from the government,

41:57

trying to get appointments.

42:00

As we all know, even if you have health

42:02

insurance and you're going the private

42:04

route, it is still hard to get

42:07

in. It is still hard to get in in

42:09

a timely manner. And then the father adds that

42:12

the mental health services available to his son, he

42:15

said, quote, until something

42:18

happens, you can't do

42:20

anything. There's not enough

42:22

help to help these people, especially

42:24

when they become adults. That

42:27

is true. That's true. And he

42:29

was a lot, a lot of control

42:31

once they are 18. I

42:34

also have to say, and then I want

42:37

to get back to sort of some of

42:39

the legal issues, but I want to say

42:41

that in my experience, another

42:45

hindrance here is the

42:47

way the medic when they get the medication

42:49

is the way it makes them feel. And

42:53

they are lethargic. They

42:55

feel, you know, sort

42:57

of numb and dull and

43:00

they stop taking their

43:02

medication. I don't know if

43:04

that's the case here, but that is often

43:06

something that I hear from people where they

43:08

say, I was sick all the time.

43:10

I didn't feel well. And

43:14

that's, that's a very strong and

43:16

as a parent, you cannot force

43:18

medication upon an adult

43:20

child. You cannot do it. If

43:23

an adult child after they're 18 and

43:25

they're adults, there really is very little

43:28

you can, you can

43:30

do. And how rarely

43:32

do we see those cases like

43:34

the Britney Spears where there's a

43:37

conservatorship that can, that can force

43:40

medication. Well, for people like you

43:42

and I, and for people who

43:44

don't have that kind of

43:46

means to do that, that

43:48

is absolutely unheard of that you

43:51

get a conservatorship. It can be done

43:53

with forced medication, but that's part of

43:55

it. So you have lack of availability

43:58

for treatment. care a patient's

44:03

unwillingness or you know

44:08

they just that taking that medication

44:12

makes them feel so bad that unfortunately

44:16

they may go for years feeling

44:20

this imbalance not being well, not being

44:24

medicated and so you have all of

44:26

those things in

44:28

a medical situation. I

44:31

would want to know in this case, we don't know

44:33

enough yet, has he

44:36

been under 5150 hold, has

44:38

he been treated at psychiatric hospitals, does

44:40

he have a therapist or

44:42

psychiatrist and then if they're

44:44

going to build an insanity

44:47

defense which I have a feeling

44:49

given what the dad has said

44:51

thus far, the dad is fully

44:54

in support of right, I mean the

44:57

surviving family member wants their

44:59

son to get help but

45:01

even if they're

45:05

all on board for that

45:08

the standard

45:11

for legal insanity in the state of

45:13

California, this is according to Penal Code

45:16

section 1026 is that legal

45:20

insanity requires that the person

45:22

by reason of mental disease

45:24

or defect was incapable of

45:26

either knowing the nature

45:29

of his or her act understanding

45:32

the nature of his

45:35

or her act and distinguishing

45:37

between right and wrong at the

45:40

time of the commission. That is

45:42

a very very

45:44

high burden and

45:49

in the United

45:52

States less than 1% of

45:54

felony cases when you're

45:57

arguing reason,

46:00

you know, you're not guilty by reason of

46:02

insanity. It's a very high burden to prove.

46:06

It should and there, you know, we see so many

46:08

cases and cover them here where people just, you

46:10

know, it's a mockery where they just, you

46:12

know, use that as an excuse.

46:14

So often, so

46:17

often, so often and but there

46:20

are true cases where the people are

46:23

ill, unfit, did not

46:25

know what they were doing. I don't

46:29

know if that's the case here. I mean, I don't know

46:32

enough. We don't have enough

46:34

background information about his mental

46:36

state. We don't know what previous

46:39

doctors have said about him. We

46:42

don't condition. I agree with you

46:44

that they know autism and

46:46

ADD won't get you there. I

46:48

mean, they just won't get you

46:50

to a place where you were

46:52

legally insane at the time

46:55

in the state of California. You have

46:57

to where you cannot distinguish between right

46:59

and wrong. They

47:02

won't get you there. But I just I

47:04

feel so strongly about this case because if

47:07

all these things are true, and if he was

47:09

truly mentally ill at the time, I think

47:12

that the I

47:15

think that should definitely be considered

47:17

in the punishment that

47:20

he should receive in this case, should he spend

47:22

the time in

47:24

a state mental hospital

47:28

as opposed to state prison. And

47:30

by the way, even if you're found not

47:33

guilty by reason of insanity, you're

47:35

not released, you're sent to

47:37

a mental hospital. And and

47:40

there are times where you actually

47:42

will serve more time in that

47:44

state mental hospital than you would

47:46

have in the state prison. It

47:49

is it is obviously incredibly

47:51

sad for the

47:53

Lombardo family without question. Yes, but

47:56

this case is having such an

47:58

effect on the community. because

48:01

of who she was. So she

48:03

was a school teacher for more than 30 years in

48:06

the Burbank School District and most

48:08

of the time she worked at

48:11

Brett Hart Elementary School. That

48:13

means hundreds of children

48:16

in her time have

48:18

gone on and

48:20

become adults multiple generations and

48:24

that is what's so hard because you

48:27

know Burbank has a lot of TV studios

48:29

and productions and all that and so people

48:31

come in during the day and then they

48:33

leave but then there's a real community that

48:35

lives there. It's not huge. It's a little

48:37

city and

48:41

they're deeply connected right there

48:43

closely connected deeply affected and

48:45

we and we see this

48:47

in communities where these tragedies

48:49

happen that it is really

48:51

an impact and because she

48:53

was a school teacher it's

48:55

now impacting her current kids.

48:58

So she was a kindergarten teacher at the

49:00

time of her murder of her death. She

49:04

so those little

49:06

ones are five years old. How do

49:08

you explain to them what's happened

49:10

and how in the world do

49:13

you explain to a five-year-old that

49:15

your teacher Mrs. Lombardo was killed,

49:18

police say, by

49:20

her son. Well it's interesting because

49:23

as you mentioned I am that you know I work

49:25

for KTLA as a legal expert and

49:28

there's been extensive coverage of this case and

49:30

the two parts of the case that really

49:32

struck me that have been

49:34

covered was

49:36

one of her former students who's

49:38

now an adult saying

49:41

I am so heartbroken

49:43

she was one of my favorite

49:45

teachers I will never forget her

49:48

and then a mother whose

49:50

child is in Miss

49:54

Lombardo's kindergarten class and

49:56

her remark was how do I

50:00

explain to my child that she will never get

50:02

to say goodbye to her teacher. So

50:05

those stories, and

50:08

I'm sure there are hundreds

50:10

and hundreds of them, this

50:13

story, this tragedy has

50:16

impacted an entire community.

50:18

And even though Los Angeles is a

50:21

really sprawling place,

50:23

the individual cities like

50:25

Burbank are very close-knit.

50:29

And what a horrible

50:31

tragedy. But everyone knows each other. I

50:35

do most of my living

50:38

life in Burbank because that's where

50:40

work is. And you

50:42

know the shoe repair person. You

50:44

know the dry cleaner, you know

50:46

the person at the post-doc.

50:49

Everyone knows each other in Burbank.

50:51

And it's like every other town

50:53

in America that we cover. And

50:58

so you can really understand how the

51:00

murder of a school teacher is

51:03

truly affecting the entire

51:06

community. We've

51:08

got some pictures that we can show

51:10

you for those listening where former students

51:12

and their families and people that she

51:15

worked with have placed flowers and candles

51:17

at the school as a remembrance

51:20

to her. It's just

51:23

incredibly, incredibly sad. So

51:26

the autopsy results are still pending.

51:28

However, on May 9th, Kyle

51:31

was indeed arrested and charged with his

51:33

mother's murder. He faces

51:36

the potential of a life sentence if

51:38

convicted. He's currently being detained on a

51:41

two million dollar bail.

51:43

Bond has not been set. And

51:46

he's scheduled to be arraigned on May 22nd. Now

51:50

KTLA spoke with Kyle's

51:52

public defender Jimmy Chu who alleges that

51:55

the death was accidental

51:57

but really didn't say

52:00

anything more that would give us context for that.

52:03

It's just sad. It

52:06

is. It is. And this is why, you

52:08

know, a case like this, I

52:11

do think there's

52:13

failings in the system. I do

52:15

think that there's failings in the system. And

52:17

I do think that the

52:22

system has to recognize

52:26

that we need early intervention

52:29

of mental illness. And

52:31

when someone is calling and

52:33

saying, my

52:36

child, my spouse, my

52:38

friend is really hurting,

52:41

we need to get them the care that they need so

52:43

that in the future tragedies

52:46

like this can be avoided. And

52:48

I say tragedy. I say tragedy

52:50

recognizing there is a death. And

52:56

our system generally

52:58

says that person needs to be

53:00

accountable for what they did without

53:04

question. I mean, that's what happens.

53:07

But I also say that in

53:09

cases like this, we

53:11

have to be able to see

53:14

what more can be done in our system

53:16

to prevent it. Because in the last case,

53:19

right, in the last case we

53:21

covered, she had motive, she had

53:23

opportunity, she had time to plan

53:25

it. Were you

53:27

going to stop her? Were

53:30

you going to stop her from doing this? Was there

53:32

treatment she could have gotten? She was

53:34

greedy and wanted the money. She wanted

53:36

the money. Evil is one thing. Evil

53:39

is one thing. But to me, when

53:41

you have a father come out and

53:43

say, my son did

53:46

not want her to die.

53:49

It's painful. It

53:52

is. It's so, so tragic. So tragic.

53:57

It is time for our comments section. crime

54:00

cases you all are talking about on

54:02

social media and here is our producer Will

54:04

Updike. Hey, Will, how are you? Good. How

54:07

are you doing, Anna? Good. Good

54:09

to see you, Allison. Hey. Thank

54:11

you. All right. So this week we

54:14

have a case of a grandfather really lowering the

54:16

bar. This case comes out of Sacramento, California, where

54:19

a grandfather allegedly paid a homeless woman

54:21

$20 to watch his granddaughter while he

54:23

got drunk in a bar. So

54:26

how this all happened was deputies responded

54:28

to this local bar after a call

54:30

from the man who allegedly said his

54:32

granddaughter had been kidnapped for human trafficking.

54:36

Officers who arrived in the parking lot of

54:38

this bar saw the caller. He appeared to

54:40

be highly intoxicated. Direct quote, according

54:42

to police, the drunken grandfather, Jason Warren, proceeded

54:45

to tell the authorities that he had paid

54:47

an unknown homeless woman to watch a seven

54:49

year old granddaughter. So he could stop in

54:51

this local watering hole, tie a couple

54:53

on. And I guess

54:56

he gave sort of the woman the instructions to take

54:58

the little girl to a thrift store sort

55:00

of nearby, I guess, little shopping trip. Unclear

55:03

if he gave any additional money, though. Like

55:05

if he just gave the woman the $20

55:07

to watch the daughter, and I don't know

55:09

if the little girl had an allowance or

55:11

something, maybe they were just going to window shop

55:13

at the thrift store. I don't know. I

55:15

don't know the budget there. But

55:17

so despite this kind of wild claim of the human

55:20

trafficking and everything, the deputies take

55:22

this really, really seriously. They were able to

55:24

obtain security footage. It shows the

55:26

girl leaving with a woman and

55:29

the search starts immediately. Everybody's in high

55:31

gear in this. They really react quickly.

55:33

And within about 30 minutes,

55:35

a police helicopter is

55:38

able to spot this woman and the missing

55:40

child. They're like using

55:42

the megaphone saying, return the girl to

55:44

the parking lot. The

55:47

woman complies with this. So

55:49

when she returns the girl, she's

55:51

telling authorities that she didn't think

55:53

that this grandfather could care for the

55:56

child because he was, I guess,

55:58

even at the time, like so visibly entitled. intoxicated

56:00

according to the woman. And

56:02

so she says that she took the little girl back

56:05

to the encampment and got her some food.

56:08

And so paramedics check out the little girl and make

56:11

sure everything's okay. They say that

56:13

she didn't suffer any medical distress and she

56:15

wasn't harmed. And she actually ended up corroborating

56:17

this woman's story as well, a seven year

56:20

old. And now

56:22

according to police, this little

56:24

girl's aunt actually has full custody

56:26

of the child. She

56:28

asked Granddad here to watch

56:31

over the kid because she had to go

56:33

to work. So our

56:35

suspect, the grandfather in this whole thing,

56:37

Jason Warren, was eventually

56:40

charged with felony child endangerment

56:42

and other charges he has

56:44

bonded out. And

56:47

like according to some local reports

56:50

here, he doesn't seem that remorseful

56:52

about the whole situation. He told

56:54

KTXL of speaking of

56:56

the homeless woman. I could tell by her character,

56:58

she seemed like a decent person. I

57:01

trusted her like I would trust

57:03

my sister or cousin, which, you

57:06

know, I want to see

57:08

the good in everybody. I don't know that

57:10

I'm necessarily taking it that far. But he

57:12

also kind of didn't respect like he apparently

57:14

didn't take any responsibility for this.

57:16

He didn't think that he did anything wrong.

57:19

He also told the media outlet everything I

57:21

did, I told God about. And I said,

57:23

it is your will, God, not my will.

57:25

Let your will be done, which I feel

57:28

like these are kind of conflicting things where

57:30

it's like, OK, so did you think that

57:32

this was like a good person and you

57:34

trusted them like they were a family member

57:36

or you were just kind of saying

57:38

whatever happens happens and it's not

57:40

on me. This is horrible. You know,

57:43

and I feel obviously paramount, very

57:45

upset and worried for the little

57:47

girl. Yes. But, you know, I feel

57:49

badly for this homeless woman because I do.

57:53

She she I hope

57:56

that she's not implicated. Yeah,

57:58

I don't. Not only is

58:00

she not implicated, the sheriff's

58:02

office commended her. They

58:04

called her a guardian angel because they

58:06

like... You know, I'm thinking about two

58:09

things. Number one, obviously this man's babysitting

58:11

duties are done. I mean, that's the,

58:13

you know, she's, you know,

58:15

but the idea somehow

58:18

that you

58:21

pay a stranger $20, you

58:24

go drinking and then

58:26

you say, well, you know, look, I

58:28

trusted her. I mean,

58:31

this, I think he

58:33

should do some actual real time. Absolutely.

58:36

Yeah. I mean,

58:40

at the bare minimum, like some

58:42

serious treatment or something, because there's

58:44

like, that's, you know, like if it's to the

58:46

point where like you're willing to just like let your

58:49

granddaughter of all things like go off with anybody. I'm not

58:51

going to touch the date. I'm not going to touch the

58:53

date. All right. I mean, I agree. I

58:55

mean, I agree. So interesting because

58:57

Allison, you as a criminal defense attorney,

59:00

like wouldn't the defense be, well, okay,

59:02

yes, this was a horrible thing that

59:04

he did. He'll never have access to

59:06

her again. And thank God she wasn't

59:08

hurt. Yeah,

59:11

but there needs to be some

59:13

punishment. Oh, I totally agree with

59:15

you. I mean, sometimes, sometimes,

59:17

drugs need to be in a drug

59:19

tank for a minute. Well,

59:22

and how do you think to that though, like both

59:24

prosecutors and I mean, if this goes in front of

59:26

a jury or anything, are going to see if he

59:29

is maintaining this tune of kind of like, I didn't

59:31

do anything wrong. Wait a minute.

59:33

It's problematic. I'm also bothered by the

59:35

fact she's like, okay, that he says

59:37

it's God's will. No, actually in this

59:40

situation, it's the will the criminal justice

59:42

system and the judge. So if you tell a

59:44

judge, well, I left it up to God's will,

59:46

he's going to say, okay, well, God

59:49

is taken over now. Yeah. I'm

59:51

working with God now. Yeah. We

59:56

got a lot of comments on this one. The

59:58

guy's mugshot. just kind of

1:00:00

described for our audio listeners, but he has very

1:00:02

long gray hair, kind of big gray beard. Ryan

1:00:05

asked if it was Rick Rubin, which he does

1:00:07

kind of bear it like a striking resemblance to.

1:00:09

It was

1:00:11

kind of mixed on people's reactions to both

1:00:15

the both the grandfather in this situation

1:00:17

and the homeless one. So like kind

1:00:19

of both caretakers of this child, Hetty

1:00:21

Hetty called this guy resourceful bloke. I

1:00:24

don't know about that. Clint K said

1:00:26

he went to jail for getting a

1:00:28

babysitter, which obviously, I mean

1:00:30

a pretty different situation. I think most people

1:00:32

bet their bet their babysitters pretty well. I've

1:00:35

never hired one, but I think you got

1:00:37

to have some extensive references.

1:00:41

We got a lot of really good comments though about the

1:00:43

woman involved in this story. Megan

1:00:46

said she took the kid thrift shopping to get

1:00:48

an ice cream. They had a good time. It's

1:00:50

better than leaving the kid at home. I'm not

1:00:52

saying it's a good situation at all, but it

1:00:54

definitely could have been worse. I

1:00:56

have to agree with that. This woman, it

1:00:58

seems like, I don't

1:01:01

know that went out of her way, but she did the right

1:01:03

thing. I don't

1:01:06

know how else you could have responded to this

1:01:08

other than maybe you call

1:01:10

police immediately. I'm not really

1:01:12

sure. Yeah.

1:01:14

I mean, she doesn't owe any

1:01:16

particular duty of care. They're not

1:01:19

... She could have just

1:01:21

left it. She could have taken the $20 and

1:01:23

just kind of split. Right.

1:01:25

I think she should be commended. I mean,

1:01:27

I think that's wonderful that she was concerned

1:01:30

enough and spent the time. Yeah. And

1:01:35

then Betty Boop said the homeless one

1:01:37

probably took better care of the child

1:01:40

than the no good crap grandfather, which

1:01:43

yeah, I mean, this is ...

1:01:45

It's an unfortunate situation because it's

1:01:48

such a bizarre thing for this guy to do, but

1:01:50

I think there's ... I

1:01:52

like the nugget of goodness that this woman

1:01:55

did the right thing under no pressure to

1:01:57

do so. Yeah. That'll

1:02:00

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1:02:19

miss Allison. It is always so lovely to

1:02:21

have you I always wish that we could have more time

1:02:24

just to chat about life and things cuz

1:02:26

you're not anything. I know and

1:02:28

look I love how

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Sort of that bit of information that

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on the case, so I love

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being on your show. I absolutely love

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and thank you again for having me. Oh,

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it's always such a pleasure miss Allison Where

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can people find you and follow you on

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social media? Okay, so I Accurled

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I'm a criminal defense attorney that runs

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expert at Access Hollywood

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I have a segment called trending with

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our family Excellent.

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Excellent. Wow. Well, you can find me

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So as many of you know,

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purposeful rescue and

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she's about 10 years old and

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she's definitely got a lot of

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I don't know where they come up with the names here but

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she's called mistode the wet

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sprocket. And I was like and

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we always come up I mean I don't know how this rescue

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so it's a it's a

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reference to a Monty

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and why mistode the wet sprocket.

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I love it. Funny, funny. That's well

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enjoy. Yeah, I'll be here for

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You know people who have rescued

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animals they always say this

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I hadn't seen it before after I had adopted

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from a shelter and it said you didn't

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rescue them they rescue you. And that's

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true. I mean you I

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I think rescuing is so important. So great. Just

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