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Plus prosecutors rest their case against a

2:05

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2:08

six year old son with

2:10

both sides clashing over the boy's manner

2:12

of death. But first,

2:14

allegations continue to pile up

2:16

against Sean Diddy Combs as

2:19

disturbing footage of an alleged

2:21

assault perpetrated by the rapper

2:23

surfaces online. Today we're

2:25

very excited to be joined by Nima

2:27

Ramani, a personal injury attorney and the

2:29

president and co-founder of West Coast Trial

2:31

Lawyers. Nima is a legal analyst and

2:33

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2:36

TV, law and crime and many other

2:38

networks. Nima, welcome back,

2:40

it's been way too long. Thanks

2:43

for having me Josh, it has been, I'm excited,

2:45

we have a lot to cover today. We

2:47

do have a lot to cover and I feel like

2:49

I've already heard your thoughts on many of these cases

2:51

we're gonna be talking about because every time I turn

2:53

on the TV, there's Nima

2:56

telling me how, what he

2:58

thinks about the case already. So I'm glad that

3:00

we got a chance to have you on the

3:02

show again. Always appreciate

3:04

these conversations and always because I

3:06

feel like you

3:08

bring such a thoughtful perspective to the cases.

3:11

And one of them, the first one we're

3:13

gonna talk about is one that I know

3:15

that you've been following very closely. It

3:18

is involving a hip hop mogul

3:21

is facing additional allegations of sexual

3:23

misconduct as disturbing footage comes to

3:25

light, which appears to depict him

3:27

assaulting his then partner. Allegations

3:29

against Sean Diddy Combs have been

3:32

mounting since November of last year

3:34

when his former girlfriend Cassandra, also

3:36

known as Cassie Ventura, filed a

3:39

lawsuit accusing the entrepreneur of

3:41

a decade long pattern of sexual

3:43

and physical abuse. While the

3:46

lawsuit was ultimately settled a day

3:48

after the filing, additional alleged victims

3:50

filed lawsuits over the following months,

3:52

eventually culminating in a Homeland Security

3:54

raid on Diddy's homes in Miami

3:57

and Los Angeles as part of

3:59

a sex trafficking. investigation. Video

4:01

footage surfaced last week from an

4:03

incident at an LA hotel where

4:06

a towel-clad Diddy appears to chase down

4:08

Cassie, who has her bags packed, perhaps

4:10

in an attempt to escape, before the

4:12

rapper throws her to the ground, beating

4:15

and kicking the woman before dragging her

4:17

down a hallway. Diddy has

4:19

since issued an apology video regarding

4:22

the incident while he doesn't mention

4:24

Cassie's name in the video he

4:26

takes responsibility for the actions and

4:28

claims to be disgusted by his

4:31

behavior. However, in the

4:33

wake of the surveillance video

4:35

and apology, another accuser has

4:37

come forward claiming that Diddy

4:39

approached the then 17-year-old model

4:41

with enticements of furthering her

4:43

career before allegedly forcing her

4:45

to perform sex acts on

4:47

him. While lawsuits continue to

4:49

pile up against Diddy, he has not been

4:51

charged criminally and roundly rejects

4:53

the allegations leveled against him. Alright, that

4:56

was a mouthful. There's a lot going

4:58

on for Diddy. But first,

5:00

in regards to this last video, the DA's

5:02

office in Los Angeles has already come out

5:04

and said, Nima, that they are

5:06

closing the book and any kind of criminal filing

5:09

here because it's beyond the statute of limitations. My

5:11

question, though, is does that mean that that's

5:14

the end of Diddy's problems for this video

5:16

or do you think it could be used

5:18

in another way? Josh,

5:21

I think Diddy will be prosecuted. It's not

5:23

a matter of if but when. And I

5:25

do believe that video will be introduced to

5:27

evidence. And obviously, we both live

5:29

in Los Angeles, I live a mile away

5:31

from Diddy's home, very close to the Intercontinental

5:33

Hotel in Central City where this all took

5:35

place. But in California, at the

5:38

time 2016, we have three years statute on

5:41

felony assault and domestic violence. It

5:43

was recently extended to five years.

5:46

But even though the conduct

5:48

is outside the statute of limitations, we know

5:50

that clever prosecutors like you and I once

5:52

were can get this in. I think this

5:54

is what we would say is

5:56

prior bad acts evidence, right? It's been a

5:59

pattern of physical. and sexual violence in

6:01

the party did he? And we know that the

6:04

search warrant of his Los Angeles and Miami

6:06

homes, that was executed

6:09

by HSI agents, but it

6:11

was federal prosecutors at the US Attorney's

6:13

Office in the Southern District

6:15

of New York, who went and got those

6:17

search warrants. And we know that they also

6:19

love a good RICO indictment. You know, they

6:22

used an R. Kelly, they

6:24

used in other cases as well. And as

6:27

a RICO predicate act, you could use

6:29

conduct that's outside the statute. So I

6:31

wouldn't be surprised if an

6:34

indictment is unsealed, we see RICO charges.

6:36

And one of those predicate acts is

6:38

this physical assault and violence that we

6:41

saw. I'm so glad

6:43

that you brought that up about the predicate

6:45

acts in RICO, because that is something that

6:47

I think it's difficult for some people to

6:49

understand. We've talked on this channel

6:52

before oftentimes about prior

6:54

bad acts and how it doesn't matter

6:57

the statute of limitations. If you're

6:59

trying to prove something like in

7:01

this case, it would have to be

7:04

domestic violence, and you can show that

7:06

a person has prior acts of domestic

7:08

violence, you can use it. And in

7:10

fact, in California, you can use it even to show that

7:12

he has a predilection,

7:14

is predisposed to being someone

7:17

who commits acts of domestic

7:19

violence. But his bigger

7:21

problem, as you pointed out, is

7:23

the federal case, because he's being

7:25

federally investigated. And if they're gonna

7:27

bring some sort of RICO charge

7:31

or effort or theory, they

7:33

can use this as well in a very

7:35

similar way as a predicate act. Now, my

7:39

question is that raid took

7:42

place, we're going

7:44

on a couple of months now or more. Why

7:46

do you think it's taking so long? Do you

7:49

think, my feeling has always been

7:51

that that wasn't the beginning of an

7:53

investigation, that was towards the end of

7:55

an already ongoing investigation. But why do

7:57

you think they still have

7:59

not? indicted him. Josh,

8:02

I'm surprised. I agree with you. Federal prosecutors,

8:04

they don't get a search warrant until they're

8:06

close to the end. And this is why

8:09

people can take off, especially with people

8:11

with significant means like video. I'm not

8:13

saying that he's going to have scone,

8:15

but there's always that risk and evidence

8:18

can disappear. So you don't want

8:20

to execute a search warrant because

8:22

that's going to put someone on notice that they're

8:24

very likely going to get charged and charged soon.

8:27

So one of two things is going on here. Either

8:30

something was recovered from those raids that

8:32

they sort of push the prosecutors in

8:34

another direction. I think that's unlikely. There's

8:37

more and more victims and video evidence

8:39

are coming forward or for some

8:41

reason, they're still combing through the evidence that they

8:44

seized. Now, if you believe

8:46

Cassie Ventura, Diddy would record these

8:48

sex acts. She said that she

8:50

was forced to have sex with a male prostitute since

8:52

she was raped. Diddy would actually record

8:55

it himself. And there's also allegations that

8:57

hit cameras, some hidden and some not

8:59

throughout the home. So maybe agents are

9:01

still combing through that. But again,

9:04

I'm really at a loss that Diddy should have

9:06

been charged by now. I think it's a matter

9:08

of days or weeks until he is. This

9:11

video, which CNN did a great job of

9:13

getting, by the way, I mean, fantastic work.

9:16

Is this going to put more pressure on

9:18

prosecutors to act and to act soon? And

9:21

this is, it sounds like one of the worst

9:23

kept secrets in Hollywood. And, you know, it's

9:26

really a me too type situation. And I

9:28

really got to think that Diddy is going to be

9:31

charged and it's going to happen in a matter of

9:33

days or weeks. Yeah, I

9:35

agree with you. And I, I felt the

9:37

same way to two months ago when he

9:39

was first had those raids

9:42

executed, I thought to myself, they

9:44

they are the federal government is

9:46

media savvy enough to realize that

9:49

that kind of a public raid

9:51

on this high profile of a

9:53

person was going to

9:55

make the new circuit

9:57

spin And that they were going to. To

10:00

have some answers for what they were going

10:02

in there for and I thought okay, will

10:04

they They knew that they were going to

10:07

create a firestorm and that these charges are

10:09

going to becoming very quickly and then they

10:11

seven noticing. You know the government moves fairly

10:13

slowly so they could still be operating at

10:16

as you know, a quick pace by their

10:18

standards for we just haven't seen him. Yeah,

10:22

I think you make an excellent point that.

10:25

If there is a large

10:27

cache of electronics and. Computers.

10:30

And cell phones and other

10:33

media that needs cracking into.

10:35

That. Might be what's taking some of that

10:38

the time to is that Dave just get

10:40

into all these devices and be able to

10:42

analyze all of it and get all of

10:44

their. Ducks

10:46

in a row before they bring a.

10:48

When could be a colossal indictment? And

10:51

by colossal I mean against such I

10:53

how high profile person on what it

10:55

did. you have any experience? I know

10:57

you were. you were up a federal

11:00

prosecutor before. Did you have experience with

11:02

cases like this? Rico cases sex cases

11:04

are No. I don't want to put

11:06

you on the spot. I. Mean

11:09

we have as soon as the Rico cases, but

11:11

it's a traditional. Drug trafficking

11:13

organization street gang the bob

11:15

rights receive Rico use. And.

11:18

Different Tessa cases Some people. Criminal.

11:21

Defense was especially since it's been over

11:23

years of is suing else Trump is

11:25

being charged with Rico stateside there in

11:28

Georgia but. You. Are the

11:30

next? Yeah, right? That sex ring

11:32

or kill ya talked about. So

11:34

some folks think that Rico has

11:36

been overused, but you know, Federal

11:38

prosecutors. They love it for many

11:40

reasons. Is Sabrina lotta?

11:42

To finance a lot of evidence,

11:45

there's some seizures that can

11:47

happen as well as prejudgment self.

11:49

It's a pretty important investigative tools and

11:52

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what

11:54

we see in this case. It has.

11:56

visited the allegations on the civil

11:59

sites is You're looking at sexual

12:01

assault. You're looking at sexual abuse of

12:03

minors, right? And those

12:05

are not outside the statute of limitations. But

12:08

then you've got drugs. You've got guns.

12:10

And you have all these other people that at

12:12

least were alleged to have helped Diddy

12:15

perpetuate these sex crimes. And

12:18

whether it's Jeffrey Epstein and VLA Maxwell

12:20

or R. Kelly, you know, when you're

12:22

running an enterprise like

12:24

this, and

12:26

what possibly this is a criminal enterprise, there's

12:29

usually folks that are helping the perpetrator. And

12:31

that's what appears to be the case here.

12:33

Again, if you believe in the victims, which

12:35

I do. Yeah. Yeah.

12:38

And he also just in

12:40

the way that he conducted his business and

12:42

everything else, he was one of these people

12:44

that just had an entourage of folks helping

12:46

him. And I think he was operating in

12:48

a very different world back then that he

12:50

thought he was untouchable. And things

12:53

have changed, my friend. And the walls are closing

12:55

in. And I think I think the government's going

12:57

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move to Toms River, New Jersey, where

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prosecutors have arrested their case against a

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father charged with his son's murder after

15:38

allegedly forcing the six-year-old to run

15:40

under treadmill because he was, quote,

15:43

too fat. Christopher Greger

15:45

faces one count of first-degree murder in

15:47

the death of Corey Michiolo, who

15:50

died in the hospital as a result

15:53

of a combination of blunt force injuries,

15:55

acute inflammation, and a heart and liver

15:57

contusions, While surveillance footage taken by the

15:59

police. From Gregor to Permit appears

16:02

to depict a father forcing Mitchell

16:04

to run on a treadmill.

16:06

Prosecutors allege that this was only

16:08

a documented incident in an ongoing

16:11

history of abuse against. the true.

16:13

Gregory defense maintains that the

16:15

boy's death was due to natural

16:18

causes, however, contending that complications from

16:20

pneumonia case and that boy's death

16:22

along with sepsis. In preparation for

16:25

his defense, the states final witness

16:27

was a pediatric infectious disease specialists.

16:30

Who sought to exclude natural causes

16:32

as a manner of death for

16:34

the child? The defense is expected

16:36

to begin their case with the

16:38

testimony from renowned forensic pathologists Michael

16:40

Body. We will update you of

16:42

course as the trial continues. On

16:46

Nema we've all seen this video.

16:48

It's. Incredibly disturb it's.

16:52

It's it's a video did though.

16:54

There isn't what I would call

16:56

out and out violence ornate. it's.

16:58

It's incredibly difficult to

17:01

watch on. And.

17:03

My. Question is: did. Even.

17:06

Though prosecutors are not alleging

17:08

that and this. Act.

17:11

Of violence or porch or whatever you want to

17:13

call it A we're seeing in that video is

17:15

actually what led to his death. Do.

17:17

You think the jury's really gonna care at the

17:19

end of the day when they see a man

17:22

behave that way towards a child? Do you think

17:24

that there's just a very little excuse they need

17:26

for a conviction at that point? I.

17:28

Grew to just as no way

17:31

this juries nasa Mckenzie said videos

17:33

so disturbing and so off up.

17:35

In his seats for quoi running

17:37

but prisoners. It. Seems. To me by

17:40

name is head. I mean it's terrible

17:42

to watch since. I felt

17:44

only a video on the case. Let's

17:46

not forget when. Prefer. For finally

17:48

took him in the hospital and he

17:50

was dying. It. Just took

17:52

off to laugh. And. As video

17:54

of him leaving while his son is die

17:56

in the hospital but was he doing it

17:59

was a pen. It. Touched. In

18:01

the woman on some dating out for try

18:03

to meet up with them so there is

18:05

absolutely no way. Given.

18:07

The strength of the state's case that we're

18:10

not in a get a guilty verdict yet.

18:12

I don't care what the Doctor Bodden says.

18:15

Is. Very respected but there is

18:17

no possibility in my opinion

18:20

that he on the or.

18:23

Child. Died of natural

18:25

causes. When you're a

18:27

legend some the other abuse that he

18:29

told his doctors right I'm saying that

18:31

he was suffered bruising from football and

18:33

of thing similar kind of made no

18:36

sense of i am The video is

18:38

enough to convert. But. Not

18:40

just a video, the treadmill, The video. Than

18:42

I am at the hospital and this is

18:44

No way to treat anyone, especially one's own

18:46

child. Yeah

18:48

I I. I. Have said

18:50

before that I I I think

18:53

that video is the most ah

18:55

it carries the most emotional impact.

18:57

But as far as connecting the

18:59

dots for jurors between the actions

19:01

of this man in the death

19:03

of the child, the more convincing

19:06

evidence I think is something like

19:08

you pointed out like his behavior

19:10

afterwards his ski you allegedly made

19:12

phone calls are to child protective

19:14

services trying to almost created an

19:16

alibi for himself saying that the

19:19

child was told. To make false

19:21

statements of things like that the guys

19:23

as a lot of consciousness of guilt

19:25

behavior which is ah I think maybe

19:27

like you pointed out going to be

19:30

more convincing but you mention Michael bought

19:32

an arm being. Respected.

19:35

The guys no slouch. I mean he's

19:37

been around for decades and consider to

19:40

be leader in his field. But do

19:42

you think. There

19:44

is that all a problem because one

19:46

of the charges be. ah

19:48

gregor is facing awesome clues it just

19:51

mere child abuse and not the death

19:53

itself do think that there might be

19:55

any convincing of them did this man

19:58

was awful he abused this but

20:00

you cannot connect his conduct to the

20:03

death of the child. It

20:06

would be really tough, Josh. I mean, you

20:09

know, let's kind of take a step back.

20:11

You know, again, the allegations were that, you

20:13

know, Corey's mother had a

20:15

drug problem, right? And Christopher wasn't

20:17

involved in his life

20:19

until very recently. I think he

20:21

was told about that he

20:23

was the biological father at age four, and I

20:26

think he got involved at age five. So maybe

20:28

about a year or so, that's

20:30

when the abuse started. And, you

20:32

know, there's

20:35

pneumonia and there's sepsis and there's infection,

20:38

and there's what happened to poor Corey, which is,

20:40

I mean, the things that you

20:42

see in murder cases, blunt force trauma and those

20:45

types of things. I don't think

20:47

any defense expert is going to be able

20:49

to pull the wool over the jury's eyes.

20:51

I mean, maybe there's some legal

20:54

Hail Mary and they maybe pick off one

20:56

jury and you get a hung jury. That's

20:58

always a possibility, but I would be

21:00

shocked in this case. Again, I just think

21:02

the video evidence is so powerful. I'm

21:05

kind of going back to Diddy. The example I give

21:07

is criminal defendants lie all the

21:09

time. Experts and lawyers can

21:11

try to see the jury, but you

21:14

know what doesn't lie? The video. And

21:16

there's a reason Diddy apologized after six

21:18

months when the video became public.

21:20

You know, for a while he was saying this

21:22

is a money grab. The victims

21:25

were looking for a payday, you know, all these sorts

21:27

of things. They were outrageous

21:29

lies. The video comes out.

21:31

He's forced to apologize. And I

21:33

think the same thing in,

21:36

you know, the Gregor case, the

21:38

video speaks for itself. It's so powerful.

21:40

I don't think the defense is

21:42

going to be able to overcome it.

21:44

I think you're right. I think

21:46

I think you're right. I think that

21:49

if they're at all having problems back there, they're

21:51

going to think about that video and

21:53

they're going to think, do we really want to

21:56

walk this guy out the door? Like they're the, You

21:58

know, When it air haven't

22:01

any kind of question in their mind. I

22:03

just don't see them to letting the person

22:05

who is willing to put a child through

22:07

that. Walk. Out the door. But

22:09

we shall see that case should be coming

22:11

to a conclusion pretty soon. Like I said,

22:13

they're going into the defense case they're going

22:16

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22:18

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move on to are fine okay set of

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san diego california where a former tic pop

23:56

star charged with the double murder of his

23:58

wife and her friends took the

24:00

stand in his own defense, contending that

24:03

the killings were not premeditated. Ali

24:05

Abulaban faces two counts of first-degree murder

24:08

for the fatal shootings of his wife,

24:10

Ana Abulaban, and her friend,

24:12

Rayburn Baron, who were both shot to death

24:14

in the luxury apartment the married couple once

24:16

shared. Notably, Ali does

24:18

not deny his role in the

24:20

killings, contending that he was suffering

24:22

increasing paranoia about his wife's infidelity,

24:25

which eventually caused him to snap.

24:27

Ali took the stand in his

24:29

own defense, alleging that

24:31

the couple's relationship was deteriorating prior to

24:33

Ana asking him to

24:35

move out. The man became

24:37

increasingly emotional on the stand throughout his

24:40

testimony and cross-examination as

24:42

prosecutors drilled Ali about previous

24:44

domestic incidents he

24:46

allegedly perpetrated against his wife. At

24:48

one point, Ali even stopped the line of questioning,

24:50

asking the judge, what

24:53

happens when the question is forcing

24:55

me to say something specific, causing

24:57

the judge to intervene and soothe

24:59

both parties. With

25:01

Ali's testimony winding down, the case will be

25:03

left to the jury, and we will update

25:05

you as soon as we have a verdict.

25:09

Nima, did you have experience as

25:12

a prosecutor with defendants taking the

25:14

stand? I'm curious to hear your

25:16

thoughts on how you think that

25:19

usually works out. It

25:22

usually works out bad because

25:24

the criminal defendants, and you

25:27

and I were former prosecutors that don't do

25:29

any criminal defense work or much of it

25:31

anymore, we represent victims in civil cases. So

25:33

we can say this a lot, but when a

25:36

criminal defendant testifies the entire case comes down to

25:38

his or her testimony, they better knock it out

25:40

of the park because the

25:42

jurors kind of set everything else

25:44

aside and they focus all their attention on

25:47

the defendant. And as prosecutors, we love it

25:49

because it's our time to

25:51

shine. For once, we get to cross-examine someone

25:53

unlike the defendant. I'm

25:55

not saying he's doing well, but I

25:58

actually agree with his defense drive. I

26:00

think sometimes defense attorneys, they get greedy. Like

26:03

in the Gregor case, right? They're trying to go

26:05

for a not guilty, to knock it out of

26:07

the park, attack medical causation, say

26:10

the poor Cory died from something else. But

26:12

I think in a case like this, it's

26:14

really your only defense, right? If

26:16

Ali were to come and say someone else did

26:18

it or it wasn't me, there's no way. So

26:21

you're kind of getting this manslaughter, hate-a-passion

26:23

type defense. I don't think that's going

26:25

to work because there's such a long

26:27

history of domestic violence and stalking in

26:29

this case. I think the DA's

26:32

office has done a good job laying all that

26:34

out. But again, I think

26:36

it's really the only defense that Ali

26:38

has given the infidelity and the affair.

26:41

Who knows? Maybe a jury buys

26:43

it. Yeah. No, I'm glad you

26:45

pointed that out. It is important to

26:47

understand that they don't

26:50

have to believe everything he's

26:52

saying. They just have to

26:54

believe enough to feel that he did

26:57

quote unquote snap and in the heat

26:59

of passion without that ability

27:01

to contemplate and deliberate on his actions

27:03

acted in the way that he did.

27:07

We will get a little bit more into why

27:09

there's some problems with that in a moment. But

27:11

I wanted to talk a little bit more about

27:14

his behavior on this stand because I was watching

27:16

he's still on the, as we're recording this, he's

27:18

still on the stand in cross-examination today and I

27:20

was watching a little bit of it. And

27:23

this man, first of all,

27:25

he's an absolute narcissist that comes through

27:27

clearly. I'm no psychologist, but I don't

27:29

think you need a degree to diagnose

27:31

that. But he also

27:34

is, has this inability, he

27:36

wants to control the situation entirely. And

27:39

at one point he was being cross-examined

27:41

and he didn't like the questions that

27:43

were coming out. And he felt like

27:45

he was being confronted with statements

27:48

that he was unaware of. And

27:50

he starts looking over to his

27:53

attorney and the prosecutor says, sir,

27:55

I'm asking you the questions. You can't talk

27:57

to your attorney now. And he literally said,

27:59

can we. Take a break. I need to

28:01

speak to you I don't know where this is all coming

28:03

from as if he thought This

28:06

was a tick-tock video and he could just call

28:08

cut and have a moment to discuss with his

28:10

an attorney It was it was

28:12

amazing to see you don't see that but it

28:15

also demonstrated to me this man is a control

28:17

theory will that

28:20

behavior Wash

28:22

away any goodwill. He may have created

28:25

with the jurors explaining his situation I

28:28

think so the jurors think that he

28:30

is not credible. He's being evasive that's

28:32

something that they're gonna hold against him

28:34

and We know a lot

28:36

of cases come down to the credibility and

28:38

the likability of the defendant This guy

28:40

is already not likable right at

28:42

least it became across as

28:44

credible. He would have a shot Potentially,

28:47

but now that his law spoke it's probably

28:49

lost the jury and I think the Prostitution's

28:52

process examination will continue to

28:55

be effective and brutal and

28:57

expose him for the narcissistic

28:59

liar that he is I think

29:01

you're absolutely right It's you know They always

29:03

say it's it's partly what you say and

29:05

partly how you say it and the way

29:07

that he's delivering This is not doing him

29:10

any favors, but my last point on this

29:13

The prosecutors I thought did a good job

29:15

of pointing out that one the whole reason

29:18

he's arriving at the apartment Is he's got

29:20

a listening device that he's put in the

29:22

home and he hears what

29:24

he feels is For

29:26

lack of a better word can noodle in between

29:28

his wife and another man So

29:31

then he gets in his car He's

29:34

armed with a weapon. He drives

29:36

all the way to the apartment. He goes

29:38

all the way up the elevator I mean they even

29:40

talk about the amount of time it takes to ride

29:42

that elevator up to where their apartment was Walks

29:45

in there with a gun that

29:47

is Voluntary

29:49

meditation isn't it isn't that that deliberation

29:52

isn't that that cooling off period that

29:54

you always talk about when dealing with

29:56

voluntary manslaughter Don't those

29:59

facts alone create a

30:01

bigger problem for him? It

30:03

is Josh and you nailed it right?

30:05

The premeditation cooling off period. You

30:07

know we saw this and I keep bringing up other cases

30:10

but in the Nipsey Hussle

30:12

murder case they tried to bring

30:14

in voluntary manslaughter. The

30:16

defendant was allegedly called a snitch and I think the

30:18

prosecutor did a good job of saying well hey you

30:20

went out there you talked to your girlfriend you went

30:23

back you got a gun you came back. That's

30:25

not snapping. That's not heat

30:27

of passion right? It's time to

30:30

reflect and all the things that you

30:32

discussed that's premeditation and that's murder.

30:34

So I think you're absolutely right. I think

30:37

the prosecution saw it the same way you

30:39

did. Laid it out for the

30:41

jury. That's why I think they're going to

30:43

convict on murder and not manslaughter. Yeah

30:45

I think you're right. I mean it would be

30:48

one thing if he didn't realize

30:50

they were home, didn't have a gun,

30:53

walked in to find the scene that he did and

30:55

you know grabbed a kitchen knife

30:57

and did something horrible. That's kind

30:59

of your typical law school example

31:02

of heat of passion but not

31:04

a guy who has to not

31:06

a guy who's arming himself you

31:08

know driving over all

31:11

of the steps and times and opportunities he

31:13

had to turn around but anyhow I think

31:15

you're right we will we will again this

31:17

case should be coming to a conclusion soon

31:19

but in the meantime Nima

31:21

that is our show for this week. It

31:24

was so great seeing you again. Thank you so much

31:26

for coming on. Please tell us where

31:28

can people find out more about you? Hey

31:30

you can find me

31:32

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31:34

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31:36

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31:39

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31:41

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31:43

Lawyers on those same platforms. Thanks

31:46

Josh for having me as always. Pleasure to

31:48

be on and see you again. Absolutely

31:50

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31:53

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