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condition. This is the Hidden Killers podcast.

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The Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruski.

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When someone chooses to end their

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own life,

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suicide

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by stabbing oneself is not

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a very common one. And if it is, I...

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It's usually not 20

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stab wounds, some

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of which were to the back of the head impacting

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the brain.

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including

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post-mortem stab wounds. That's usually

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just not something it doesn't

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add up. It's actually a physical

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impossibility. Do you know that? If you

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stab yourself when

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you're dead, that's

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not a thing. That

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fact, however, seemed to elude some of the authorities.

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And we are now back taking

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a look at the death of Ellen Greenberg.

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This is a case that is very fascinating,

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a case that really should have never

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been closed, but it has been

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finally reopened. Joining

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me is former FBI special

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agent, Jennifer Kofendaffer, to talk

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about this.

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Number one, obviously

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there's reasons why you would want to reopen

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this, but why did they reopen

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this after it was already closed? And

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what new information are they looking at?

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Well, Tony, it was reopened, I believe,

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because it needed to be reopened. facts

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don't support the decisions that were

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made. And why those decisions

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were made, we

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don't know. I mean, there's all sorts

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of allegations flying about.

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But the bottom line is this woman stabbed 20

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times, 10 times in the anterior

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part of her body could not have been

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a precursor for anyone committing suicide.

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And one of the wounds,

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according to one pathologist, was

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post-mortem. So it makes no

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sense nor does it make any sense

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the story given by the fiance.

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You listen to that 911 call of

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the fiance. We just played it back here about

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a week or so ago and it's a bizarre

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one. It's one where you listen to it and

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everyone of course has different trauma responses

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but there was something eerie.

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There was something in my

3:49

opinion that seemed a little facetious,

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if you will, as far as authenticity

3:55

of seeing your fiancé

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dead and not really realized

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She was stabbed that many times for as long

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as he did Obviously, he

4:04

was dismissed. He was never charged with

4:06

anything. He's out living his life to this

4:08

day. Sam Goldberg his name Is

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did you feel like this is going to go back in

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his direction or do you think they may be looking

4:16

somewhere else? Was he you know

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as obvious as it would be to look at him

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deeper? Could this have been

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somebody else?

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I think it'll go back to uh, sam

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and this is why First of all, he

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goes down to the gym, he purportedly

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comes back, he has to break open the

4:34

door only if you look at the photos

4:37

from the door. This does not comport

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with somebody that has to break in a door. He

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also initially said that

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there was an individual with him. Well, that

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individual said he wasn't with him.

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He goes in, the body was,

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he describes as being in a

4:54

position of laying down and he

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comes across the body. He says he has no

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idea of what happened. I think he even

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says she might have slipped and fell or something

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like that

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Yet later in the call says oh

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there's a knife

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I mean it is uh, just horrible

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acting they ask him to do cpr.

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He

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You know hesitates about that who

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wouldn't want to save the love of their life

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their fiance somebody they were getting ready to

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marry Yeah Uh, then furthermore

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in the crime scene photos she's

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staged up against the cabinet, which

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doesn't comport with the 911

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description of how she was

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laying down. So Tony,

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I think there's just too many

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discrepancies with his story for him

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not to be the main focus.

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It's amazing that he

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wasn't more of the focus. It's amazing

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how this thing was let go into suicide

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as being the cause of death.

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One could either go, well, this was

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extremely incompetent police

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work or is it

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a cover up? Is there some reason? Why

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this didn't go any deeper than it did.

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What are your thoughts on that? I think

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it's both Yeah, I think initially

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when law enforcement responded

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I think that was sheer

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incompetent

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Also the fact that you

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know, he had his uncle there

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who

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was a lawyer who was a former

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federal prosecutor I believe a current

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federal judge on ethics,

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you

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know, why was he there? Why was

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he called?

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In addition, he was allowed back

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into the crime scene, allowed to remove

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cellular telephone, allowed to

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remove a computer. Why was

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he ever allowed back in there,

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first of all, and to remove everything?

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Second of all,

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the landlord called

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the police and said, Listen, I've got a

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hot mess in this apartment. I want

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to clean it up. She called to get clearance

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for that and you know what the PD did? They

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gave her the clearance. They said no problem.

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Go ahead and by the way, here's a phone

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number of a crime scene cleaning

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agency. She calls them post-haste.

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They come in there, clean everything up

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and then after that, law

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enforcement finally gets a search warrant and

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goes back to a cleaned up crime scene where

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the forensic

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evidence in terms

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of the computer itself

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were gone. When we look at this, I mean, these

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are all facts on how this happened,

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how the order in which this all took place.

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When you have something like this, and we can look

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at it and go, clearly, this is either

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an extreme incompetence or a cover-up

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or a combination of both, the decisions

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that were made to do all of these things,

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will there be justice for

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those people who did these sort of things? Will

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we take those people and charge them with

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anything? Or is it, well, you know, you're doing

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your job at the time? that was your decision we're just going to

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focus on the actual killer because it seems

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those people that made those decisions should also be

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held accountable

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I couldn't agree with you more, but

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I think the number one thing that needs

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to be focused on right now is justice

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for Ellen, justice

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for her surviving family members.

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For

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this to have been swept under the carpet

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and pushed aside, which is much like

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the Stephen Smith case, right? Where,

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you know, it's just so obvious

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that justice wasn't served.

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I just hope that justice someday

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will be served. And after that, they

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can look into this

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malfeasance and possible coverup

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on law enforcement

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and the coroner.

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I should say the medical examiner. This is

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an examination of the hidden human condition. This

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is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony

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Brueske. Jennifer Koffendapper,

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former FBI agent. Thank you so

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much for your insight into this one.

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We'll Keep a close eye on it as

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it continues to unfold. Be

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