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This

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is the Hidden Killers Podcast.

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The

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Hidden Killers Podcast.

1:36

With Tony Moseley. Retired FBI

1:39

Special Agent Robin Drieck is

1:41

with us. We're talking about

1:44

this tragic story of

1:47

Harmony Montgomery.

1:50

Her father, Adam Montgomery, accused

1:53

of murdering her.

1:55

And the affidavit and the information that

1:57

continues to come out just It

2:00

gets worse and worse and

2:02

worse. New affidavit released

2:04

detailing what likely happened

2:06

to Harmony. Obviously, she's

2:09

missing, but presumed dead. And

2:11

with the evidence that they have collected and the

2:14

testimony that they've collected from his ex,

2:17

it very much points

2:20

to him being a horrible human being and beating

2:22

his daughter to death. And

2:24

then the prolonged, let's

2:27

keep the body. What my

2:29

observation on it was, was that

2:31

they were paying far more attention to this child

2:34

in death

2:35

and her remains than they did when she was

2:37

alive. This

2:40

was the most horrendous thing I've seen in such

2:43

a long time. It's the saddest thing.

2:46

Even just my wife and I

2:48

talk about these cases that we're going to come on and talk

2:50

about. I didn't even share this one with her because it was just so

2:52

horrendously tragic. As bad as the

2:55

Daybells were with what they did to their

2:58

children, this was even

3:00

worse to me for some reason. What

3:04

the hypothesis is about what he did to her

3:08

is just horrendous. The thing that really

3:10

struck me in this was, because

3:13

again, we talked about it earlier already, fear.

3:16

The fear that this child must have lived

3:18

with every single day. They

3:21

talked about how he would get angry at her and abuse

3:24

her when she wet her pants or

3:27

go to the bathroom in the backseat of the car or something

3:29

like that. Well, why?

3:30

Because she had fear of speaking up. That's

3:32

a clear indication of a lot of fear in someone's

3:35

life. When you combine

3:37

that with they've

3:39

been treated and talked

3:41

about their drug use, you put those two things

3:43

together. This

3:46

is just lives that are

3:48

just destroyed. I

3:50

think it all started earlier on in their lives, their

3:52

arcs, both him and his wife, with drug

3:54

abuse. You

3:56

take drug abuse, you take wound

3:59

collecting.

3:59

you take vengeance and retribution

4:02

building up and then you take lack of ability

4:04

to manage your emotions because of drug use and anger

4:06

manifest itself like that and he took

4:09

it out on this poor little

4:11

girl. I can't even think about

4:13

it without getting destroyed internally it's

4:15

horrible i mean the the

4:17

abuse that he put her through.

4:20

Is absolutely horrible it and i

4:22

think a lot of people when when reading that affidavit

4:25

in an understanding the full complexities

4:27

of everything that was going on there. I

4:29

think there's

4:29

a lot of people that also look at the mom

4:32

who was you know absence

4:34

she lost custody she was a

4:36

user as well she was abusing drugs. But

4:40

at the same point

4:42

we're talking of almost two

4:44

years between where she saw

4:47

her on a zoom call on a holiday

4:50

and then eventually said gee

4:52

i wonder where she's at i haven't heard from her in

4:55

two years maybe i should file a missing person's

4:57

report. Yeah i mean it

4:59

obviously insanely irresponsible

5:02

but you know being an addict

5:04

or user can make you think

5:07

very distorted and very bad thoughts

5:09

are just completely. It not

5:12

good to what your situation is in what

5:14

would you say to the the critics of

5:16

of her that are looking at her

5:19

like well what the hell is wrong with you yeah he

5:21

beat her but you weren't even there to try and and

5:23

be a mom in any way shape or form.

5:27

Yeah the critics of her that there's there's

5:30

tons of critique to go around everywhere

5:32

here the thing that really struck me

5:34

still with this entire thing was. The

5:36

fact that no one notice like you said

5:39

the missing girl means that

5:41

these people had no relationships with

5:44

anyone in family no friends no

5:46

family just surrounded by other addicts which

5:49

didn't care about anything except getting high. Is

5:51

a horrendous disease that they

5:54

obviously were afflicted with very very

5:56

long time because.

5:58

I mean even that i'm just. So again,

6:00

we superimpose this with, you

6:03

know, we go to the Daybell case where

6:05

grandparents knew kids were missing.

6:08

People in their lives knew that kids were missing. So

6:11

as horrendous as these individuals

6:13

were, as Laurie was in all that

6:15

she was convicted of doing, people

6:17

noticed that people were missing. And even though no

6:20

one came to her defense as

6:22

a character witness because she destroyed, I think,

6:24

relationships throughout her life because she is so self-centered,

6:27

people still noticed that children

6:29

were missing. That shows you the depth

6:32

of the relationship that

6:35

were destroyed by both

6:38

Adam and his wife

6:40

for years before this even happened

6:42

because no one noticed. That

6:45

is what is even more tragic. So

6:47

that's

6:48

just a most

6:50

horrendous case. And because of all those

6:52

added reasons to it. So this poor

6:54

little girl, I think,

6:56

I'm just glad she's not suffering

6:58

anymore because that's the life of suffering she was in. You

7:01

know, what I wonder about with this,

7:03

not this case specifically, but the idea

7:06

of this case

7:07

is, you know, we know the facts on

7:09

this one. We've learned them. We

7:11

look at these people and go, these are horrible individuals

7:14

and they are without a doubt. But how

7:17

often, especially since going

7:19

through COVID,

7:21

has this happened in homes

7:23

where the parents are addicts, where

7:26

they certainly have problems and the

7:28

kids

7:29

had something like this happen to them. There

7:32

are literally thousands of

7:34

children after COVID

7:36

that have never been accounted for going

7:39

back to school. I mean, look

7:41

at LA Unified, it's some ridiculous

7:43

number. And there's just,

7:45

I mean, there's no resources enough to

7:47

go and account for these kids on a

7:50

private level or on a public level

7:53

with children's services

7:55

or anything. It's just relying on

7:57

family members going, oh, where are your children?

8:00

I

8:00

really question how many kids

8:03

have disappeared because of COVID,

8:04

because of, you know, addiction

8:07

and because of parents like this, who I'm sure in

8:09

many cases got far worse during

8:11

that just because of the depressive

8:14

state that everything was in. And now

8:16

the kids are gone and nobody really is the wiser

8:19

or ever will be the wiser because many

8:21

don't know that they existed to begin

8:23

with because of the isolation that many of these addict

8:25

type parents put them into.

8:28

I totally agree with you. It's what

8:31

they say, historians say it takes about

8:33

a hundred years after an event to be, to

8:36

have the objectivity to take a good look

8:38

at it, whether it was

8:40

a world catastrophe like World War II, a

8:43

cataclysmic event or a disease or

8:45

something. I think that's what's going to be

8:47

happening with COVID because

8:49

without a doubt when you had the

8:52

entire world locked into small places in

8:56

some places, small than others, not

8:58

just the no ability to go out, but there's

9:00

no one to go to. And so if there's a lot of dysfunction

9:03

at home,

9:05

people were very good and

9:07

always have been good at hiding their dysfunction, hiding

9:10

their secret place from others around them because

9:12

they'd have outlets outside the home in which

9:14

to hide their shameful behavior.

9:17

COVID didn't hide it anymore.

9:20

You're exposed to it. And

9:22

I think people had their shame

9:24

poked up in front of them. And when that

9:26

happens, no good behaviors happen from that.

9:29

And so if children were part

9:31

of it, those children became part

9:33

of the entire

9:35

mess of horrendous relationships

9:39

and behaviors that people are exhibiting. And

9:42

we're going to be recovering from this one for many, many

9:44

years. And I think it'll

9:46

take quite a while. There's no doubt.

9:48

This is the

9:50

examination of the hidden human condition.

9:53

You're listening to the Hidden Killers podcast. This

9:55

is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony

9:57

Bruski. Robin Drake. Retired

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FBI Special Agency for the Counterintelligence

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Behavioral Analysis Program. Thank you

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