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with Tony Bruschi. This last

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1:37

investigator Thomas Brennan. Tom

1:41

is the private investigator that's been hired by

1:43

the parents

1:43

of

1:45

Ellen Greenberg, Joshua

1:48

and Sandy Greenberg, as they search

1:51

for justice and answers in the death

1:53

of their daughter, a death that

1:55

was quite clearly a homicide considering

1:58

she was stabbed 20 times.

1:59

several of

2:02

those stab wounds fatal blows

2:05

which would make it a physical impossibility

2:08

for her to continue stabbing herself

2:11

up to 20 times. The

2:16

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2:18

been labeled as suicide by the Philadelphia

2:20

Police Department,

2:22

a department which refuses to investigate

2:25

the death further and refuses

2:27

to change the cause of death to homicide

2:30

which it rightfully should be.

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Why is that? Why is it so

2:38

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2:40

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conversation with Thomas Brennan,

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private investigator, into the death

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of Ellen Greenberg. New

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through Friday, here on the podcast.

3:09

There's so many directions that you'd

3:12

think, well, if this person's not gonna cooperate, maybe that

3:14

person will cooperate. But there's whatever

3:17

is going on here, they have a very strong

3:19

hold against any direction or

3:21

any headway that anyone can try and make into

3:24

finding answers about what

3:26

was going on here. And

3:28

I hesitate, you know, it's

3:30

bizarre to me that Samuel

3:33

Goldberg has not been considered a suspect.

3:35

I know he's off living his life now elsewhere,

3:38

but why hasn't any

3:40

sort of investigation just been done

3:42

with him for just a little bit, at least to clear his name,

3:45

if anything, but it seems

3:47

did they ever have a chance to look at his devices

3:50

or anything of that nature? No.

3:54

So a lot of the

3:57

the evidence that could point to someone

3:59

if if it was possibly him, is now

4:03

gone. And that's probably, if that

4:05

was the game, if that's what was going on, they

4:07

certainly succeeded at that by having

4:09

a lot of those things wiped away, if that's indeed

4:12

what was happening.

4:14

Well, you know, there

4:16

is no way in heck they're gonna do anything. You

4:19

know, the crime scene has been completely destroyed

4:22

because the loss that

4:25

Ellen and Sam were in,

4:28

those loss were involved in two different

4:31

floods over time. And

4:33

they've been, you know, where the

4:35

apartment that they had, that

4:37

whole thing has been completely gutted. So,

4:43

you know, as far as anything, anything

4:46

coming from the scene, that is never,

4:49

that's not gonna happen. Sure. Unless,

4:51

unless of until, you know, we see

4:54

what the police have to offer. Okay.

4:57

And here's the other thing Tony,

4:59

I don't know if you know. Okay,

5:02

Guy DeAndrea. Okay.

5:04

Okay. He

5:07

was, Guy DeAndrea was a,

5:10

an assistant district

5:12

attorney for the city of Philadelphia. When

5:15

this occurred, okay. So

5:20

he asks his,

5:23

I befriended him, okay. He

5:25

asks his supervisor if

5:28

he can see, if he could

5:30

see the Greenberg file and take a look at it. Yeah.

5:33

His supervisor, okay, who

5:36

is Jennifer Selber, okay,

5:41

tells him, yes, you

5:43

can. Well, he finds

5:45

the case in the closet covered

5:48

with some Christmas decorations, not

5:50

even a file number assigned

5:52

to it. Oh my God. So

5:55

he spends the next two days going through

5:58

the file. One

6:00

of the things that's missing, okay,

6:03

if you'll take a look at the autopsy, okay,

6:07

you'll see the paragraph in there that says the

6:10

specimen of the spinal cord was reviewed

6:13

by Dr. Lucy Rourke,

6:18

okay? And

6:22

Dr. Rourke says, well, it's

6:24

not severe enough and the victim

6:27

could continue to harm herself, okay?

6:31

So as he's

6:33

going through that file,

6:36

he doesn't see a copy of, you

6:42

know, Dr. Adams' report. Well,

6:46

he calls the police. The

6:49

police say, we don't have it. He

6:52

calls the ME's office. The

6:54

ME's office says it doesn't

6:58

exist. Okay.

7:03

Now, you have this paragraph

7:05

in there that Dr. Osborne

7:08

put in there and he says, you know,

7:12

deposition wise, he said he

7:14

hand walked it. Would you see

7:16

an individual

7:18

walking through about

7:20

a foot and a half of snow

7:22

with this specimen? Okay.

7:28

From the ME's office over to CHOP,

7:32

you know, Children's Hospital

7:34

of Philadelphia, okay, to

7:36

have Dr. Adams

7:39

take a look at it. Okay.

7:43

I called Dr. Adams. Dr. Adams says,

7:45

you know,

7:47

Tom, I've

7:51

never heard of the case. I don't

7:53

know who the Greenbergs are. I

7:56

don't know anything about this case.

7:58

And if I had to...

7:59

had known anything about it, I would

8:02

have submitted a report and said, submitted

8:04

an invoice for my work. Sure.

8:08

No report exists that no invoices.

8:11

There are reports and invoices prior

8:13

to that. Okay.

8:16

Dr. Adams did all the neural work for

8:18

the NMEs office in Philadelphia

8:21

until she retired. She

8:24

was not an employee, but you know, she was

8:26

like a consultant. Yeah. There

8:29

are reports and invoices, you

8:31

know, from before the, the, uh, the,

8:33

uh, 26th and 27th

8:35

and 28th. Okay.

8:42

Before that and after that, after the

8:44

28th, there are none for the 26th, 27th and 28th. It,

8:50

it, it, there, there's so many things here. Let

8:53

me ask you this because obviously the,

8:56

the obvious villain in cases

8:58

like this, we look at the significant

9:00

other and there's obviously some suspicious things

9:02

surrounding Samuel Goldberg in terms

9:04

of what was said and his

9:06

seeming indifference to his fiance

9:09

being murdered or suicide

9:12

and not having a whole lot of interest in the

9:14

investigation of that.

9:15

But is this something where, I

9:18

mean, it conveniently looks like it could be

9:20

possibly him, but never truly investigated

9:23

or is there something else or someone else

9:26

that we're completely unaware of? It's

9:28

not really on the public's radar that

9:30

would cause the authorities

9:34

and in all of these people to be in on some sort

9:36

of a coverup,

9:39

although many probably if they are, don't even aware

9:41

or unaware what they're covering up or why they're covering

9:44

it up. Uh, but is there

9:46

something deeper that we're looking at here beyond

9:49

Samuel Goldberg? Is there other suspects

9:51

in this case? I know Sam's not truly

9:54

a suspect, but just from the outside looking in.

9:57

Well, you know, as far as I

9:59

can, right now, what I would like

10:01

to see done is

10:04

have this change from suicide

10:08

to either undetermined or homicide.

10:11

And why is that? What does that open the door

10:13

to by having that happen? Once that's

10:15

done, then you can just pursue

10:17

a criminal investigation, a

10:20

legitimate criminal investigation.

10:23

And

10:27

when that is done, and

10:29

we pursue a criminal

10:32

investigation, there

10:34

are things like Tony, okay,

10:39

two knives were used in this homicide,

10:42

a smooth-bladed knife and

10:45

a serrated knife. A

10:48

serrated knife is found in Ellen's

10:51

chest. The

10:53

smooth-bladed knife is not found. Whereas

10:59

could an individual brought it to the scene

11:02

and took it away? We don't know. Okay.

11:05

All right. They

11:08

said, well, one of the things that

11:11

she didn't display any

11:16

defensive rules. To

11:19

me, that's bull crap. If you

11:22

take a look at the excise risks, okay,

11:25

both risks of Ellen, there's

11:28

bruising and all on both risks. So

11:32

don't tell me that there

11:35

are no defense rules. There are. There

11:38

are defense rules. And

11:41

it's things like that that

11:44

you take a look at and

11:47

as a homicide investigator, you sit back and you go,

11:50

well, Craig, what

11:52

the hell is wrong with you guys? Yeah.

11:55

I mean, if they had even accepted.

12:00

basic facts of the case, things

12:02

that really are not trying to be disputed. Just

12:05

here's what the facts are. Here's what

12:07

the evidence shows and to not even

12:09

recognize it.

12:10

You take a look at Ellen's scout. Right

12:13

here, there's a 6.5 centimeter

12:15

wound that goes right down to the scout,

12:19

right down to the scout. That's

12:21

where a majority of the blood came at

12:23

the scene. What is

12:25

that? Okay. Any

12:27

investigator on his fault will

12:30

take a look at that and say, that's

12:32

either fight or flight.

12:34

Very much so. He was either fighting with the individual

12:37

or trying to get away. This

12:40

is the Hidden Killers Podcast with Tony

12:42

Brueske. There's more

12:44

to come in my conversation with Thomas

12:46

Brennan, private investigator

12:49

into

12:50

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