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Bob Rob. Hey,

0:35

everybody, welcome back to truth and justice.

0:37

Today's episode is a notebook episode.

0:40

So if you're one of those people that

0:42

like to stay heavily engaged in all

0:44

of the little details and facts as

0:46

we go through the case and compare

0:48

them back to your old notes. It's a good time

0:50

to hit pause and grab a notebook and

0:52

a pen, settle back in with a couple coffee

0:55

or glass of bourbon, whatever you got because

0:57

we've got a lot to cover today. Is this

0:59

gonna be one of the episodes that Kelly

1:01

hates to edit? Sorry, Kelly? because

1:03

I'm just gonna be reading, there's no script. I'm gonna

1:06

be reading off of the cell

1:08

phone report that

1:10

with the help of Teresa Dunn who has done

1:12

an incredible and amazing job

1:14

of converting all of the cell phone

1:16

records that we have into

1:19

a record that has names on them

1:21

instead of phone numbers. We've had

1:23

go through. This is this is late Thursday when

1:25

I'm recording this. We've had go

1:27

through several renditions of formatting to

1:29

make this work, and I hope to

1:31

have a copy of this out

1:33

on the website for you as you're listening to

1:35

this episode. note on Sunday as

1:38

long as we can then tie up a few loose ends

1:40

with that. But they're we're gonna be going

1:42

through a bunch of the cell phone data

1:44

But before we do that, I'm gonna play an

1:46

interview for you. It's one I mentioned

1:48

on the follow-up. A listener,

1:50

Chris Dolan, asked me if we could

1:53

hear the fourth episode from Javier.

1:55

I thought that I had already played it. And

1:57

as it turns out, I didn't. I got mixed up

1:59

way back months ago when we were going through

2:02

those episodes or those interviews.

2:04

And I played you his interview from

2:06

October fifth, but I didn't

2:09

play for you his interview from October

2:11

tenth. And that is the interview

2:13

right after our break here that you're gonna

2:15

hear first. And it's

2:18

it's it's a little tough to hear. It's not the best audio

2:20

as with of them. I know a lot of you don't like those.

2:22

You don't like it after we come out of the ad break.

2:24

You can skip ahead about fourteen minutes.

2:26

There'll be another ad break before we into the rest of

2:28

the content. I'll do a little bit of a breakdown

2:31

before I play the interview. But

2:33

there's some pretty critical information in there

2:35

about Becky's schedule. And

2:38

then from there, we're gonna move on to Becky's

2:40

cell phone records. Every

2:42

call that Becky made or received

2:45

in the week before her murder, we're gonna

2:47

go through them and see how we can compare them to

2:49

what we think at least are known events

2:51

or an events that have been explained

2:53

to us through these police interviews you've been listening

2:55

to for all these months. With

2:57

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Alright.

4:32

As I mentioned in the intro, The first

4:34

thing that we're gonna do today is I'm gonna

4:36

play for you Javier Garcia's

4:39

October tenth interview.

4:41

So up to this point, he had

4:43

interviewed at the crime scene on the

4:45

eighteenth Monday briefly.

4:47

You've heard that. On September twenty fifth,

4:49

he sat down and did his full police

4:52

interview, the the long one

4:54

that you've already heard, where he really lays

4:56

out all the detail of his week. Then you

4:58

heard the one on October fifth the same day

5:00

that his mom contacted the

5:02

police. And October fifth is where

5:04

the Claire is goes to his work and

5:06

is trying to get him to take

5:08

a polygraph test. This

5:10

interview occurs five days later. It's

5:12

a follow-up or Leclair is reaching out

5:14

to Javier because he wants him

5:16

to take that polygraph. And

5:19

I'll give you the basic details. The

5:21

big reveal here is

5:23

that He seems very,

5:25

very confident that Becky

5:27

started work on that Sunday the night that

5:29

she was killed, that she was doing to work at

5:31

eleven PM. Up to this point,

5:33

it's been really up in the air. We've

5:36

we've never heard any definitive answers. There's no

5:38

interviews with the Denny's employees

5:40

from that time in the case file. When

5:42

we heard from the Denny's manager years

5:44

later, he said she could have started

5:46

eight, nine, ten, or eleven. We

5:48

weren't sure. It's kinda hard to tell from her

5:50

phone records. But Javier says

5:52

in this interview that she was due

5:55

into work at eleven PM.

5:58

Couple other things here notice some of

5:59

the phone calls. He makes most of them

6:02

track with his phone records, but he

6:04

but he also mentions in this interview

6:06

that the night of the murders he tried to

6:08

call Becky's home line and got a busy

6:10

signal, those calls do

6:12

not appear on his cell

6:14

phone records. And it never shows that he tried

6:16

to call her home line at all. So

6:18

that's just something to note. I

6:21

think it's worth listening to this if you can

6:23

handle listening to these interviews. Again, it's about

6:25

fourteen minutes long. But

6:27

not only you're gonna hear those details amongst

6:29

others, but also we're hearing

6:31

a very different Javier in

6:33

this interview. He comes across

6:35

his very strong willed He

6:37

is determined. He is not taking that polygraph,

6:39

and he is not taking any of Leclair's shit.

6:42

I actually got a hand it to Javier here. I

6:44

mean, he really sticks to his guns. And

6:46

if you already didn't like detective

6:48

Leclair, you're probably really not gonna like him

6:50

after this one. But Hobby really

6:52

puts him in his place during this interview.

6:54

So without further ado, we're gonna play Javier's

6:57

interview from October tenth. This is

6:59

the follow-up to the October fifth interview

7:01

where he was interviewed at work where detective

7:03

Leclair is trying to get him to take a

7:05

polygraph test.

7:07

Well, I

7:08

don't wanna take it anymore. Why not?

7:11

No. I just don't want her anymore. But

7:13

why don't you keep telling me you're going to take it?

7:15

I was going to, and then I I thought

7:17

about it over the weekend, and then I just decided

7:19

not to. Okay. How

7:22

may I help out your friend? I

7:24

want you, but I wanna take that Poly

7:26

bag. Well, how

7:28

long can we exclude you from being involved?

7:31

I don't know. I just don't wanna

7:33

take that polygraph test. Okay. but

7:37

you wanna be excluded from the investigation.

7:39

Right? Yeah. I just don't wanna do that polygraph.

7:41

Well, I understand that. But

7:43

how can we exclude you? I

7:47

don't know. Are you involved with this?

7:49

No. I'm not. I don't know. I

7:51

mean, are you feeling guilty about something? No.

7:55

I'm not I'm not feeling guilty about anything.

7:57

I'm not involved. I wasn't involved with anything. I

7:59

just don't wanna take a call here. Okay.

8:02

Well, you you before

8:04

your you seemed so strong about

8:06

taking that to clear your name and help out

8:08

back you and do the honorable

8:10

thing. Yeah.

8:14

I know. But I just I thought about it, and I

8:16

just decided not to take the polygraph anymore.

8:18

But what to think about? or do you think

8:20

about? No. I was I was talking with some people

8:22

and everything, and I just decided not to take

8:24

it. Okay. So

8:27

how can we who do what can we do?

8:29

No. No. But I I wanna

8:31

do that Polycom. Okay. Do you wanna

8:33

do something else? That

8:35

so what I don't know what else there is.

8:37

I mean, that is your friend. Right?

8:40

Yep. you wanna

8:42

help find a person who did this to Becky

8:44

in her family? I do, but I don't want them

8:46

to take that polygraph test. Okay.

8:49

So I'm wasting time with you,

8:51

then other person can be

8:53

getting away. Right? Mhmm.

8:55

And

8:56

that don't bother you. It

8:58

does, but I don't wanna take that call again. Yeah.

9:00

I don't know how many times you're gonna keep

9:02

asking me. I'm just gonna keep telling you. I don't wanna take

9:04

it. I don't wanna take it. So I mean, you're just wasting your

9:07

breath. Let's just keep asking. Well,

9:09

you kept telling me you did. So maybe if I

9:11

keep asking, you'll change your mind like you did

9:13

last time. Yeah. Well, this no. I'm

9:15

not changing my mind anymore. I'm not I'm not

9:17

taking this. Maybe there's

9:19

something you're not telling me. No.

9:21

It's just that I talked to I talked

9:23

to my dad about it, and my mom

9:25

talked some of our attorneys and some other people, and

9:27

then they all told me not to take it, not to take it.

9:29

And I'm gonna take their advice. I'm not gonna take

9:31

it. Okay. That's that's

9:34

that's that's all it is. I just hey. Remember that

9:36

day I talked to you at the office?

9:38

When you were in my office,

9:40

I talked to you. And you

9:42

had showed me your phone that

9:44

had a phone log of, you know, the

9:46

times Becky called you and you

9:48

talked to her. Yeah. Remember that and

9:50

I wrote down there was, like, probably, like, ten

9:52

times on the desk Sunday

9:54

that your phone had that log.

9:56

Yeah. And then

9:58

the last phone call was

9:59

actually a phone call you got a couple days

10:02

later from Drew. Remember

10:03

that? Yeah. Were

10:06

there any phone calls that you deleted

10:08

on there? They were, but they were

10:11

only from, like, from my

10:13

mom, my like, my cousin

10:15

with driving any calls from

10:17

Becky. From Becky to

10:19

you, or you to Becky? No. Those

10:21

those those were all of them right there. Okay.

10:26

And if I

10:28

remember correctly, you said that six forty

10:30

was the last time you talked to her? Yeah. That

10:32

was the last time. Now did

10:34

you have any emails or text

10:36

messages to her phone or call her

10:38

at all? after that? Or she

10:40

didn't answer? I I called her at

10:42

I called her job at eleven

10:44

o five PM, and then

10:46

she's supposed to be at work at eleven. She hadn't

10:48

called me. So I called her job and

10:50

the manager said she wasn't home. So

10:52

then I tried calling herself and to see where

10:54

she was, but went straight to voice mail

10:56

since it was off. I tried

10:58

calling her how fine a couple times, but it was

11:00

busy. What time did you call that?

11:03

That was all between eleven

11:05

to about eleven ten. It

11:08

was, like, ten minutes. I just did you

11:10

ever talk to her at seven o'clock

11:12

hour? No. Not that

11:14

I know. because the last phone call said

11:16

six forty, that was the last time I talked to, and I know

11:18

that was a five minute long conversation.

11:21

But I don't I mean, that's the

11:23

last time I talked to

11:24

her. What

11:26

about I tried to talk to her

11:28

if she didn't answer. She didn't answer. That

11:30

was at eleven o'clock. Oh, eleven o five

11:32

is when I to contact her. Well,

11:36

we're about there's a couple of phone calls

11:38

three to be precise in the

11:40

seven o'clock hour that were

11:42

made either from your phone two back keys

11:44

or back keys to yours. Yeah.

11:47

I didn't I didn't talk to it.

11:49

That was the last time I talked to it was six

11:51

forty. Okay. But I'm telling you that

11:54

there's three calls in the seven o'clock

11:56

hour. Does that

11:58

show

11:58

between your phone and her phone?

12:01

between her phone and I'm on I'm on

12:03

remember her calling her or anything

12:05

because that was the last time I talked to her. That's when

12:07

I lost my signal. I'm

12:09

not I'm not sure. I probably tried calling her back

12:11

when I tried to have a signal, but it

12:13

didn't go through. because that

12:15

that was the last time I talked there was six

12:17

forty. Okay.

12:22

So you pretty much made to

12:26

South Massa. Mhmm. That's

12:29

what I was gonna You're going you're going anything

12:31

else, sir? How about yourself? I do

12:33

what I mean? I don't I just don't wanna take that polygraph.

12:36

k. I just I just don't wanna take

12:38

that. So why don't you talk to

12:40

Becky between seven thirty and eleven

12:42

o'clock because I thought she was still

12:45

gonna be out there on that hike. I never do

12:47

that if what if what Robert

12:49

said was due to cancel it on her nominee.

12:51

I thought she was on her hike, so I just never

12:53

tried to call her because I she

12:55

wasn't on hold.

12:59

the

13:08

did to Jacob

13:10

at all? Did I talk

13:12

to him? I talked to him a couple of hours

13:15

ago. Okay. Did

13:17

you get my message earlier today?

13:19

Not that I know if I never asked him about

13:22

anything. No. A message I left on your

13:24

phone. No. You

13:26

check your messages? Mhmm. I

13:28

didn't today, not yet. I was working. I just got

13:30

home. I mean, you spent all

13:32

day on your phone talking to everyone, and

13:34

you never seen call me back.

13:36

I mean, that kind of suspicious

13:39

in itself. Don't you think? I

13:41

I don't know the number. I I usually never answer

13:43

it, but I I don't I don't have your remember

13:46

speaking to my phone. Well, I left my I left

13:48

my number on your voice mail. I

13:50

never I never checked it. I mean, I can I can

13:52

check it right now. Well, I never

13:54

checked my voice mail for there.

13:59

I haven't called you back in other

14:01

times while

14:05

Once I have about seven to

14:07

ten calls, I left messages for

14:09

you. I

14:12

I called them back. It almost seems like you

14:14

got something to hide. I mean, I'm not hiding

14:16

anything. I have nothing to hide at all.

14:18

Well, he had nothing wrong with me. Jacob's just

14:20

so adamant about taking the polygraph. He

14:23

wasn't adamant about it because he wanted you guys

14:25

to just it offers back too, like

14:27

I was. But, I mean, after we talked to some

14:29

people, we just decided not to take it

14:31

anymore. Also, Jacob's

14:33

the same way. Mhmm. we just

14:35

decided we're just taking everyone's advice, and we're

14:37

just gonna follow it. And I'm, like, gonna wanna

14:39

take it. That does not seem to be Jacob's

14:41

opinion. So

14:44

right now my my father told him the same

14:46

thing that my mom told me. And

14:48

they both told him, and he told me that he didn't

14:50

wanna take it either. So what else

14:52

did your dad tell you? No.

14:54

Nothing. I'm just pulling up to not to take the

14:56

polygraph. That

14:58

is that. I

15:01

keep his advice, and I'm a lucky to take it

15:03

back.

15:10

So do you have any other ideas

15:12

who could have done this back in a

15:14

family? No idea. names

15:17

I knew and what she was supposed to be doing

15:19

that day. But other than that, I

15:22

have I have no idea. And so I knew

15:24

what her parents were too, like, I I

15:26

have no nothing about that. And

15:30

I don't know. I can't see any reason why

15:32

we wanted to at the bench. Yeah.

15:34

Did you have a radio? What?

15:37

Did you have a radio? I didn't have

15:39

a radio. What would have a radio?

15:42

I don't know. you seem to be driving

15:45

around seamlessly up by your house

15:47

on Sunday night. There's

15:49

a snow creaking up to go and murder

15:51

a family of three people with someone that I really

15:53

care about. Let me

15:56

what once you might have to do that,

15:58

put to, like, haven't just

15:59

come home and just tell somebody

16:02

just for fun. Can you just give them a minute or

16:04

something? I'm just trying to

16:06

figure out why you're driving around

16:08

aimlessly up there. already told you. Like,

16:10

I mean, I just did that to relax.

16:12

When I get bored and I have nothing else to

16:14

do, I'll go for a drive just to get me something

16:16

to do. if I'm out somewhere in the

16:18

three ways right there and I'm bored, and I'm

16:20

coming up pass on the hop. I guess I should drive

16:22

out and I'll drive back. Six camera I

16:24

mean, I did that with my friends all the time. I always

16:26

call them. And you guys wanna come to hands it with

16:28

me? So what? Why don't you just drive

16:30

around? No. I'm alright. Okay. come

16:32

right back. So why don't you just go

16:34

hang up, Becky's until her friend came

16:36

out there? I was going to she called

16:38

me. When I was talking, I just told me to

16:40

go over. at the last second, she decided not

16:42

to happen to come over, because she didn't want it to come

16:44

backwards to two lanes. Oh, it's

16:46

not awkward. backward about it. Yes,

16:49

sir. Passenger's supposed to go up there

16:51

to go come out or whatever. It's

16:53

not an awkward situation. I didn't I mean,

16:55

that I'm fine with him. I'm fine with you. I'm fine with you. I'm

16:57

not hearing but she probably

16:59

could pick kill cells. She said not to come

17:01

over. And then what's that

17:03

about? I mean, if you're her best friend, what's

17:05

so awkward about it? ordered this. She

17:07

thought it'd be awkward because I've known her boy for an

17:09

extra extra boy for an hood light since

17:12

my freshman year in high school. I

17:15

don't know. She

17:17

had to mark the last one. She has him and well,

17:19

I know each other. I'm gonna I just don't know.

17:21

She might have thought it had been awkward, but

17:23

I didn't think so. So what did he

17:25

tell you about, Robert, coming up there?

17:27

All she told me was Robert and

17:29

Christian, they're supposed to go up there to go to the

17:31

parking lot, and that he got off of

17:34

work. When did they find

17:35

that? The time had

17:37

during early in the week, like, about I

17:40

wanna see between Monday

17:42

and Monday.

17:42

think when they

17:44

started planning a high turn

17:46

over time, they just said, you know, I was

17:48

just too confident since we're both busy.

17:52

Well, I

17:54

actually communicated with Robert

17:57

since they were all broken up for a while.

17:59

They didn't talk. didn't

18:02

talk at all? He didn't talk at

18:04

all. I know she said in the beginning,

18:06

they talked for a little while, and then

18:08

after that, she just stopped talking here.

18:10

Yeah. That'd be more recently in the last few weeks.

18:12

More recently, it was just

18:14

that week of of

18:16

Sunday. It was the Monday

18:18

of that week. I mean,

18:21

he just started calling me back

18:23

in the first time in, like, the last

18:25

couple

18:26

of months.

18:32

That's why I

18:34

kinda found it awkward. And then when I called him,

18:36

he was like, oh, yeah. I I

18:39

canceled the high too, and she got all upset

18:41

about it.

18:42

And then I

18:44

can't call back. You can have to get back to it or not.

18:47

Yeah. That's

18:49

what Robert

18:50

told you. Yeah. That's what he told me. He

18:52

said that that he tends along her

18:54

and that because of some other

18:56

guy was supposed to go He's trying to make an

18:58

intelligent or something so that he decided not to

19:01

go. But whatever guy? I

19:03

don't know. Some he said it was

19:05

supposed to be some, like, marine guy or something,

19:07

but I I don't know if there's any other

19:09

guy that was supposed to go on that

19:11

hiking. I don't know. I don't know if he made

19:13

that up. I don't know if she asked this guy at the

19:15

last second, and then she might've looked at me.

19:17

I I don't know. And I've

19:19

never heard of this guy before. Mhmm. So I

19:21

was trying to say that and then

19:23

Christian and if someone on the line, we're all

19:25

supposed to go up there. not

19:27

together, but they're supposed to end up at the same

19:30

place. They were on Becky's request.

19:32

You you were supposed

19:34

to go on Becky? was supposed to go on a hike with

19:36

Robert. And Robert wanted to bring

19:38

Christian with him. And I guess

19:40

that he agreed to that. And if they were

19:42

supposed to go up to Sunday after they got off

19:44

of work, and they were supposed

19:46

to go on her. And she would have

19:48

to go to work at eleven. Yeah.

19:50

Who's telling you this? Robert or

19:52

Becky? Thank you told me that she told me

19:54

I was sitting in in the room while she

19:56

was on the phone talking to me. And

19:58

then she told me afterwards that she

20:01

hung up. She was

20:03

in who's room? My

20:06

room. What day was this?

20:09

I'm not really sure because I mean, he

20:11

called her. about a week.

20:13

I'm not I'm not sure what day that was. What

20:15

time of day was it? I'd

20:18

say about about maybe

20:21

this time, like, a late afternoon,

20:24

maybe more around one

20:26

to five around that time?

20:45

Okay. Well, unfortunately, if

20:47

you wanna choose not

20:49

to help Becky out here, so we're gonna have

20:52

to take some other stuff. Alright.

20:55

Call me back if you change your mind.

20:58

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21:00

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Alright.

22:43

The

22:46

big thing that we're gonna use

22:49

from Javier's in that we're gonna be applying to the rest

22:51

of this episode is his

22:53

assertion that Becky was doing to work at

22:55

eleven PM on the night of

22:57

the murders. he says that he called Denny's

22:59

at eleven because that's when she was due

23:01

in. It's interesting as we've

23:03

talked about before that he

23:05

doesn't try call her anytime after they talk at

23:07

six forty. He never tries to call her

23:09

again. Doesn't try to text

23:11

her. No contact with her home phone or

23:13

her cell phone. he

23:15

just tries first to call her at

23:17

work, which is interesting particularly

23:19

because in his previous interviews he'd said that

23:21

he'd never called Denny's before. We're also gonna

23:23

find out that that's not entirely accurate.

23:25

So moving forward, what we're gonna do for

23:27

the rest of this episode, I tried

23:29

to find a good way to format this, and what

23:31

I landed on is to do the same thing we did

23:33

the last time we went through other cell phone

23:36

records, the smaller sample of cell phone

23:38

records, which is just to read them off to you. I'll

23:40

give you some analysis along

23:42

the way It's really gonna be off the cuff. I've been analyzing

23:44

these for the last three days, but there's

23:46

there's still just a lot going on,

23:48

and I think it's best as if I just

23:50

put them out there for you, put the document out there for you, and

23:53

then we'll talk about it more in the

23:55

Freddie follow-up.

23:58

Alrighty.

24:00

Our phone

24:03

records begin on the twelfth

24:05

of September. So that is

24:07

Tuesday nights. They

24:09

begin at twelve o nine AM,

24:12

Tuesday. So that's Monday

24:14

night going into Tuesday. what we're

24:16

gonna be walking through is we'll

24:18

see the kind of Becky's pattern,

24:20

what she's doing, what she was up

24:22

to on Monday night. Tuesday,

24:24

Tuesday night, Wednesday all the way up until she

24:26

gets the call from Robert on

24:28

Wednesday night. There's the breakup

24:30

on Thursday. We have a conflict

24:32

at Denny's on Saturday.

24:34

Backing up a bit, we have Bo

24:36

and Javier coming to our house on

24:39

Friday night, course, the murders

24:41

on Saturday. So

24:43

to me, it paints a really good picture

24:45

when we're walking through just her

24:47

records. I have sixty five pages

24:49

of records that Teresa has put together, but part

24:52

of what we're doing with formatting and

24:54

stuff is breaking down a document that only

24:56

has calls to or from Becky's cell

24:58

phone or homeline during

25:01

this this period from the

25:03

twelfth up through the nineteenth. So for

25:05

Rotterdam, for one week. And we're

25:07

gonna start as I said,

25:09

with twelve o nine AM, so just after

25:11

midnight, Monday night

25:13

into Tuesday, and we start out

25:15

with a few calls from Jacob

25:17

calling Becky's cell phone. So right away, that

25:19

gives us some information about where she was at. If Jacobs trying

25:21

to get a hold of her, then that means

25:23

she's not with him, which means she's not

25:25

staying at his house that night because we

25:28

we have that kind of wrestling between

25:30

Austin saying that Becky pretty much

25:32

lived at their house and

25:34

Javier saying she spends most nights at

25:36

his house. So what we know

25:38

it seems like is that on

25:41

Monday night, she was not

25:43

with Jacob. So you have Jacob

25:46

calling her at twelve o nine

25:49

AM, twelve twenty three AM, twelve

25:51

thirty one AM, and

25:53

two thirty seven AM. So

25:55

there's four calls from Jacob through the night.

25:57

It's interesting that these are so they start

25:59

at midnight all the way through

26:01

two thirty seven AM on Monday night into

26:03

Tuesday morning. And it

26:05

appeared that none of those calls are answered.

26:07

There's nothing in the duration spot.

26:09

so I assume that just means they weren't picked up. Some

26:12

of these things are a little confusing because sometimes

26:14

they'll show twelve, fifteen, thirty

26:16

seconds that could be a voice mail, could be a

26:18

pickup, probably voice mails or missed

26:20

calls, then some of them just don't show a

26:22

duration, particularly the ones

26:24

that come from Jacob Santiago's cell phone

26:26

records. So we have those four

26:28

calls Tuesday night. And then at six in the morning,

26:30

Claire calls Becky Sell. The duration's two

26:32

seconds, so there's no pick up there.

26:34

Seven twenty, Claire Calls are again.

26:37

And then at eight thirty, we see that same thing I'd mentioned

26:39

way back when we did the cell phones last time,

26:41

that in her phone records,

26:44

there's a caller number that

26:46

is just fifteen, one five. And it's

26:49

always a text message and we see

26:51

here at eight thirty AM, Becky

26:53

got a text from fifteen. Now she never texts

26:56

back fifteen, so I don't know what that

26:58

is if it's maybe a message from

27:00

her cell phone carrier. I don't

27:02

know. which gets a text at eight thirty

27:04

from fifteen. And then

27:06

one minute later, Becky finally looks

27:08

like. So maybe she it must be when she is awake

27:10

because there's there's Jacob's trying to call her. Claire's trying to call

27:13

her. And then finally, at eight thirty one,

27:15

we see activity from

27:17

Becky. We're in a Becky cell, calls a

27:19

phone number that ends in 080

27:21

sick. It's a number we haven't identified yet. Then

27:23

we get two more texts from

27:26

that fifteen number. And

27:28

then at eight thirty three, Becky calls Claire

27:30

Rippa tote back. There's no duration on

27:33

that. Then they got a text from Claire to

27:35

Becky. They exchanged I'm not gonna go through

27:37

every single call. But

27:39

there's a text exchange back and forth

27:41

between Claire and Becky there for a little bit

27:43

around eight thirty in the morning. And then

27:45

at nine nineteen, Becky

27:47

calls home. She calls the the Friedley

27:49

landline at nine nineteen in the morning, and

27:51

there's no duration on that one either. So I don't

27:53

know if that was missed picked up, wasn't

27:55

in the records properly. We're definitely

27:58

finding out really digging into these cell phone records

27:59

that there there are several holes.

28:02

Moving on the next minute

28:04

there at nine twenty. Jacob

28:06

calls Becky Sell and the duration

28:08

of sixty five seconds. And

28:10

then two minutes later, Jacob again calls

28:12

Becky Sell. The duration's just over two

28:14

minutes. And then

28:18

Becky calls a number that ends

28:20

in 0012

28:22

that's five seconds in duration and

28:24

that's at nine fifty eight PM. So

28:26

interesting so that that

28:28

Tuesday, Monday night into Tuesday

28:30

morning, you've got a lot of

28:32

Jacob trying to call Becky in not

28:34

getting through I don't know if

28:36

the sixty five second

28:38

call or the hundred and twenty four

28:40

second call if those were actually

28:42

picked up or those went to

28:44

voicemail considering they're they're two minutes apart.

28:47

Doesn't seem like they picked up and had a conversation unless

28:49

it was a pick up and a hang up.

28:51

But but remember we

28:54

have I think Rolando and

28:56

definitely Austin saying that Jacob

28:58

had been trying to get a hold of her for days and couldn't

29:00

get a hold of her and was worried. I'm wondering if maybe that wasn't

29:02

starting here on Tuesday because we've got, you

29:04

know, all through the night from

29:06

twelve o nine, twelve

29:08

thirty, two thirty seven AM,

29:11

And then again, at nine twenty

29:13

AM and nine twenty two

29:15

AM, Jacob's trying to call Becky.

29:18

Then starting around ten in the morning up until

29:21

almost noon, you've got Claire Rypateau

29:23

trying to call Becky several times. Looks like

29:25

123456

29:27

times. Clear tries to call or the call times

29:29

are all five second, four second, three seconds. So

29:31

they're not going through. Then at twelve

29:34

forty, someone from the freely landline,

29:36

so either mother or John calling

29:38

Becky at twelve forty. And

29:40

again, at one twenty eight. They're nineteen

29:42

seconds and twenty two seconds. Then

29:44

we have Janelle Paccar trying to call

29:47

Becky another four second call, that's a two

29:49

forty. Couple of unknown

29:51

numbers, try to call her Janelle calls

29:53

her again, Claire calls her

29:55

again, Janelle Becky then calls

29:57

Janelle back at four fifteen PM

29:59

and they talk for about a minute, then

30:01

we've got another text from that fifteen.

30:03

and then we've got Becky calling that

30:06

0806 number again,

30:08

and then another text from the fifteen. What I've noticed

30:10

is a pattern from what we saw

30:12

earlier at, like, eight thirty in the

30:14

morning is that Becky

30:16

gets a text from fifteen,

30:19

and then she calls a number that we haven't

30:21

identified that ends

30:23

in 0806 and

30:25

then gets another text from fifteen

30:27

right afterwards. That happened at eight

30:29

thirty in the morning and the exact same

30:31

pattern happened here again at four six seen in the

30:33

afternoon. I'm not sure what that

30:35

means, but it seems like maybe it's something

30:37

like, check a voicemail, something from

30:39

her carrier, I'm not sure. Then after that,

30:41

at four seventeen, Becky

30:43

calls someone named John. This is

30:45

not her step dad, her

30:47

mom's boyfriend, John Hayward, It's

30:49

just someone named John. That's all we know when we get

30:51

that from. There's a file in the report

30:54

where the police were calling numbers

30:56

from Becky's cell phone and

30:58

trying to figure who they were And it's recorded

31:00

call, and it was transcribed in there.

31:02

And the guy has kinda one smart assy message

31:04

where, you know, he's he's acting like

31:06

he's talking, he's not there, and then he's like,

31:09

oh, just getting leave a voice mail. This is John.

31:11

Yeah. I I haven't found a follow-up to see

31:13

if we get a last name or anything else from John

31:15

just that that number

31:17

When they called it, they got a voicemail and the

31:20

voicemail said the person's name was John.

31:23

That call was thirty seven seconds,

31:25

And then Becky at four eighteen

31:27

tries to call her landline again. There's

31:29

no duration there. So it looks like that call

31:31

didn't go through. Then at four

31:34

nineteen, that same John calls

31:36

Becky Sell and they talk for forty

31:38

nine seconds. After

31:40

that, we've got another call from Becky

31:42

calling home for sixty seconds, not sure if

31:44

that was picked up or not. And then

31:47

at four thirty five PM on

31:49

Tuesday, Becky calls Denny's. It's a

31:51

six second call. So I'm not sure what that's about.

31:53

She only works weekends. Maybe she was calling for

31:55

a schedule. I don't know. But it's only a six

31:58

second call But Becky calls

31:59

Denny's at four thirty five on

32:02

Tuesday. Then around five, we have

32:04

some calls back and forth with some

32:06

friends. there's Claire calls Becky, her friend

32:08

Desiree, calls her then

32:10

at five thirteen, Beky

32:13

calls Gray Golky. I think that's

32:15

how you pronounce the last name. Now you'll remember

32:17

the name Gray from Javier who

32:20

said that she was dating a guy named

32:23

Grey, who was a real asshole. Remember

32:25

all the things that Javier said about him that was

32:27

an ex boyfriend from a ways back? here

32:29

at five thirteen, on Tuesday,

32:32

Becky called Gray. So that's

32:34

new information. I didn't know until we went through

32:36

these records. that she had contact

32:38

with him. Also, notice through

32:40

this entire day Tuesday who we

32:42

don't see any contact back and

32:44

forth with, is with

32:46

Javier, which leads me to believe that

32:48

she's likely with Javier, and you'll see

32:50

why later, because you can really you can

32:52

tell when she's not with him. they're texting and talking back

32:54

and forth constantly. But here we have this

32:56

whole day where she's not talking to

32:58

Javier on the phone, so she could

33:00

be with him. I'm not sure about

33:02

that. But so at five thirteen,

33:04

she calls Gray, then there's

33:06

there's more calls with Claire back

33:08

and forth. And then at five

33:10

thirty five Javier sends Becky a

33:12

text. That's the first time we see Javier on

33:14

the records. So at five

33:16

thirty five, on Tuesday, she's not with

33:19

Javier anymore. And then at six

33:21

o'clock, Becky calls Denny's again.

33:23

There's no duration listed for that

33:25

one. Two minutes later, Becky calls gray

33:27

again, six second duration. and we've

33:29

got Claire calling Becky a couple of

33:31

times. Becky calls her back. 607

33:34

Becky calls Denny's again this

33:36

time for forty three seconds.

33:38

And then at six thirteen, just a

33:40

few minutes later, Denny's calls her back,

33:42

and it's a thirty nine second call.

33:44

And we have here that same pattern

33:46

The number fifteen, text Becky.

33:50

Becky calls the number that ends in 0806

33:53

then the number fifteen, text her

33:56

back. all within two minutes of each

33:58

other. Then we have calls from Claire and

33:59

Janelle, Becky calls home again

34:02

at six twenty,

34:04

She calls her friend Desiree Clark at

34:06

six thirty two, then she calls John, who's not John

34:08

Hayward, just the John from the voice mail.

34:11

It's a thirty second call. She gets a call from a number we

34:14

haven't identified. Have a year.

34:16

Calls are at six fifty five on

34:18

Tuesday. That's a one

34:20

second call. then Becky's landline calls her

34:22

cell phone at 708 and

34:24

that's about a two minute

34:26

conversation. So someone from home was

34:28

contacting her. So one thing we do know

34:30

is she was in the

34:32

valley all night, Tuesday,

34:34

somewhere. Not with Jacob because

34:36

Jacob was constantly trying to get a hold of her

34:38

all night We don't see any

34:40

contact with Javier until five in the afternoon, so

34:42

we can assume maybe she was staying at

34:44

Javier's house. We have messaged we have calls

34:46

coming in from Claire and

34:48

from Janelle. seems like she wasn't with them, but she is still in

34:50

contact with home because we've seen multiple times

34:52

where she tries to call home and

34:54

then at 708

34:56

PM, someone from home calls

34:58

her cell phone. Talk to her friend Janelle,

35:00

not Janelle picard, but Janelle Mick

35:02

Machu. I'm so excited. I have no idea

35:04

how to pronounce that name. It's MCMICHEAUX

35:09

Mick McCoy, I don't

35:11

know. But we're gonna talk more about

35:13

her next week. She calls Becky. There's a number

35:15

that ends in one thousand. Calls Becky.

35:18

She calls Claire. There's 123

35:22

calls from that John, the guy

35:24

that we don't know his last name. Those

35:26

are all 464 seconds.

35:29

Janelle calls her John calls

35:31

her again with no

35:34

duration, then that same pattern again. It's

35:36

interesting. I hadn't noticed this pattern till as I'm sitting

35:38

here reading this. as I've got it

35:40

all formatted to just Becky's calls, then it's the same pattern again

35:42

at eleven o six PM

35:46

on Tuesday. Fifteen sends

35:48

a text message to Becky. Becky

35:50

calls the 0806 number.

35:52

No. That's not the whole number. That's just the

35:54

last four. and then fifteen text her again

35:57

right afterwards. So there's definitely

35:59

something procedural with her carrier, I think, going

36:01

on with that number fifteen.

36:04

eleven thirteen PM. Becky calls

36:06

Janelle. And finally, at eleven

36:08

seventeen, she calls Jacob

36:10

back, doesn't go through. It's a four

36:12

second call. But I

36:14

think that's the first time that she called

36:16

Jacob back when he had been calling her all

36:18

night in morning. And she calls him

36:20

twice. Right? For that, she called him again at

36:22

eleven eighteen to thirty three second call. That one says

36:24

routed, which I believe means it went to voice mail.

36:26

And so she doesn't connect with him, but she did call

36:28

him back

36:30

about quarter after eleven that night, then she calls

36:32

Janelle, I'm just gonna say Janelle m,

36:34

so I don't butcher her name anymore.

36:38

And then Becky calls Austin and

36:40

Jacob's landline at eleven

36:43

twenty two PM on

36:46

Tuesday night and that is a hundred and twelve second call, so just

36:48

shy of two minutes. And then six

36:50

minutes later, she calls the

36:52

landline again. and

36:54

it's a ten second call, and that's the last call for

36:58

Tuesday. Now

37:02

let's continue on from where we were, so we just

37:05

ended up at midnight on Tuesday, so now

37:07

we're getting into Wednesday morning.

37:09

Now, this is Wednesday because it's midnight, but this

37:12

is Tuesday night going into

37:14

Wednesday morning. And remember Wednesday

37:16

night is the night that Robert

37:18

reached out to Becky and they started

37:20

talking again. So the

37:22

first thing right at midnight Javier

37:24

Tex Becky than Becky Tex Javier

37:27

Beky, Becky, thanks Javier. Javier, thanks

37:30

Becky.

37:30

So interesting

37:32

on Monday

37:34

night, It looks like Becky

37:36

was probably with Javier. Certainly can't

37:38

eliminate that she was with him because she's not in

37:40

contact with him. We can be pretty clear she

37:42

wasn't with Jacob because he was trying call her

37:44

all night and all morning. Now Tuesday

37:47

night at just after eleven o'clock at

37:49

night, she calls Jacob twice

37:51

with no contact then she

37:53

calls his landline at eleven

37:56

twenty two. There's less than a

37:58

two minute conversation. Eleven twenty

37:59

eight. She calls again ten seconds. of duration in

38:02

that call, and

38:04

then a half hour later Javier starts

38:06

texting her. So the

38:08

last tech back and forth with

38:10

Javier during this little chunk there ends at

38:12

twelve twenty five. So, you know, twenty five

38:14

minutes after midnight. Becky

38:16

then calls Janelle m. And then

38:18

about six minutes later, she calls the other Janelle, JanellePCard,

38:21

then a twelve fifty AM

38:23

hobby text her again. She

38:25

text Hobby right back. Hobby text her again. She text

38:28

him right back. Then at

38:30

twelve fifty four AM, it's

38:32

almost one in

38:34

the morning. Becky then calls the John, not John

38:36

Hayward. Then we have another

38:38

text from Hobby to Becky, and

38:40

then Becky calls a number we

38:42

haven't identified. one

38:44

sixteen AM. Becky calls John

38:46

again. That's a sixty eight second call. I forgot

38:48

to mention the last one was an eighty five second

38:50

call. This one's sixty

38:52

five second. Then at

38:54

two twenty seven AM, Becky

38:56

calls Jacob's cell phone and

38:58

it goes to voice mail. And then Becky

39:01

calls Jacob's home line two seconds. Calls Jacob's

39:03

home line again twenty four

39:05

seconds. She then calls his

39:07

cell phone again goes to voice mail twenty eight

39:10

seconds. So at this

39:12

point, it doesn't seem like Becky's

39:14

with Javier. because

39:16

she's texting back and forth with it all from

39:18

midnight here. We're at two thirty in the morning right

39:20

now on Wednesday. Just a Tuesday night

39:24

into Wednesday. and we've got during that time from midnight

39:26

to two AM, we've got a bunch of text messages

39:28

back and forth with Javier, but

39:30

we also see that

39:32

she's calling Jacob. She's calling Jacob's home. Presumably,

39:34

she's not at Jacob's home when she's calling

39:36

Jacob's home. So and

39:38

we know that she's not at her house because she has

39:41

no cell service there. So as of right now, don't

39:43

know where she was at on Tuesday night.

39:46

The two thirty two AM

39:48

Javier calls

39:50

Becky They talk for

39:52

a hundred and thirteen seconds just shy of

39:54

two minutes, so that's the duration on the call.

39:56

And then her phone goes quiet.

39:58

until five forty seven AM and then their

40:01

Becky Tex Clare at five

40:03

forty seven in the morning. then

40:06

Becky calls Jacob again at

40:08

seven thirty in the morning. That's a

40:10

hundred and ten seconds. Don't know if that

40:12

was a pickup or a voicemail.

40:15

but then at seven thirty five, just five minutes

40:17

later, she calls Claire, and

40:19

that's just over a two

40:21

minute phone call. we have this contact. So at five forty seven in

40:23

the morning, she's calling Claire. She's trying to call Jacob all

40:26

night. She's texting him back and forth

40:28

with Javier. She's not home. don't

40:30

know where Becky was

40:32

at on Tuesday night

40:34

going into Wednesday morning. kind

40:37

of the known is Jacob's house, Javier's

40:39

house, or Claire's house, or her house. Doesn't

40:41

seem like she was at any

40:43

of those places. She could, I

40:45

guess, have been at Claire's because we don't have any call from

40:48

Claire until five forty

40:50

seven AM. So maybe she

40:52

had left or Claire had left at that point. I

40:54

don't know. which is interesting that we don't know where she was at on Tuesday

40:56

night. It doesn't seem to be at

40:58

kind of her usual

41:00

places. Did the morning

41:02

goes on? goes on Claire sends Becky

41:04

a text at eight twenty in the morning. Becky

41:06

text her back. There's conversation back and forth

41:08

there at nine twenty

41:10

four. Becky calls Jacob. It's forty seconds.

41:13

don't know if was up or voicemail. Then we

41:16

got tech nine twenty five, text from

41:18

Claire, to Becky, back

41:20

back and forth and forth. Then Becky at

41:22

nine twenty six starts texting back and forth with a

41:25

number that ends in 6518

41:27

They exchange several texts

41:29

back and forth. There's also half a

41:31

year of ten eleven AM. eText

41:34

are again at ten eighteen

41:36

AM. And they're kind of texting back and forth for a

41:38

little while

41:40

there. And then at ten twenty three, Jacob calls

41:42

Becky, but an eight second call doesn't

41:44

look like it went through. Then Becky tries

41:46

to call Jacob. It definitely goes to

41:50

voice mail. And then Becky calls Jacob at ten

41:52

twenty three AM on

41:54

Wednesday, and that is a four

41:56

hundred second conversation. So I

41:58

think that's very

42:00

likely almost absolutely was an actual conversation.

42:02

It's actually the first time we see

42:04

that they actually spoke any of those

42:08

other ones could have been voicemails. They were within the amount of time or could

42:10

have been a voicemail.

42:12

But but over three hundred seconds,

42:14

usually, that would cap

42:16

off the voice mail time. So this this is a real

42:18

conversation, and that occurs at ten twenty

42:20

three on

42:22

Wednesday morning. After

42:24

that, you just got text messages between

42:26

Javier and Becky back and

42:28

forth. Becky calls Janelle

42:32

Janelle there's a thirty one second duration

42:34

there. A lot of more back and forth, half

42:36

years calling Becky several times.

42:38

It looks like missed calls

42:40

all around ten forty,

42:42

ten forty nine hour.

42:44

Becky then calls Janelle. She

42:46

calls Javier at ten fifty six. They

42:48

talk for three hundred and eight seconds. And

42:52

then Becky calls her mom's

42:54

cell phone at eleven fourteen

42:56

on Wednesday. That's only a three

42:58

second duration. Then at eleven sixteen

43:00

on Wednesday, Becky calls gray again. That's a one hundred

43:02

and fifty three second call

43:06

from Becky to Grey on Wednesday at eleven sixteen

43:08

AM. But at noon, Jacob

43:10

calls Becky Sell as twenty five seconds.

43:12

Not sure if that went through.

43:15

Janelle calls herself

43:17

and Claire, Jacob calls her again

43:19

at twelve twelve. There's not much going on here.

43:21

There's text back and forth, which

43:23

Janelle with Claire. Doesn't go

43:26

through. Janelle calls Becky at to a

43:28

one. And then here we have

43:30

the number fifteen

43:32

text Becky. at 201 PM,

43:34

but she doesn't respond with calling that other number. She just gets the text.

43:36

And then Janelle calls

43:40

Becky Sell And then Jacob

43:42

calls her again for fifty five seconds. We're

43:44

at, like, 209 PM

43:46

now. Then and here it is. It just took a

43:48

few seconds. So the text

43:50

from fifteen came in at 201 PM, and ten minutes

43:52

later at two eleven PM,

43:56

Becky calls, the number that

43:58

ends in 0806

43:59

and then a minute

44:02

later fifteen text her again. So we've had do

44:04

have the same pattern There's a couple other calls

44:06

in

44:07

between there. The two twelve

44:09

Becky makes another call to Jacob

44:11

to nine seconds. Then two thirty Janelle calls Becky, and

44:13

there's no duration on that. From

44:16

here, we're gonna start to get into some

44:18

interesting terror touring some areas we

44:20

really wanna pay attention to. I know I'm there's

44:22

a lot of the Janels and Players and

44:24

subtext that I'm throwing in there. I'm trying to kinda breeze

44:26

past most of them. For now,

44:28

because I don't think they're too critical to us figuring

44:31

out what was going on. Well, we're coming into Wednesday afternoon. So

44:33

what was going on on

44:35

Wednesday afternoon is Number

44:38

one, that night's Wednesday night into Thursday is

44:40

when Robert contacts Becky for

44:42

the first time. Also, don't

44:45

forget on Thursday morning,

44:48

Remember Becky was going to Sky Valley according to

44:50

Javier because she had left her phone

44:52

there. So and we've kinda

44:55

thought maybe it was at Nick Crum's house is where they were

44:57

that night. He's I don't think able to

44:59

confirm that because it's too

45:02

long ago. But but we're so

45:04

we're looking in the phone records. Where was the gap when she didn't have her phone? If

45:06

if this this next morning coming up

45:08

is when she was going to Sky Valley to

45:12

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45:16

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45:18

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46:02

Alright. I'm gonna try to skip

46:04

ahead as quickly as we can here. Again,

46:06

these records should be up on the website for you to get

46:09

all the details essentially, we got a

46:11

lot of text messages going back between Javier and Becky and Janelle

46:14

Bacard and Becky. This

46:16

is calls to that Janelle

46:20

m more texts and calls from Javier to Becky,

46:22

Becky calls, Desiree Clark, Chanel m

46:24

again, and I'm gonna

46:26

jump to to the nine

46:28

o'clock hour, nine PM, Wednesday

46:30

night. So 906

46:32

PM, Becky

46:34

calls Jacob. when he she hadn't talked

46:36

to him since earlier way earlier in the afternoon around noon and here

46:38

at nine PM. She calls Jacobs fifty

46:40

five seconds. Don't know if that went through.

46:44

nine thirteen. She calls Jacob again.

46:46

Nine fourteen. Jacob calls Becky.

46:48

There's a sixty seven second call there

46:50

that looks like maybe it connected. But

46:54

then at nine fifteen, he calls again,

46:56

forty two seconds there,

47:00

and then at nine

47:02

fifteen again, several seconds later, he calls

47:04

again. Some of these are

47:06

are doubled up too. So it's hard to tell when because

47:08

we have multiple records kinda filling in together in this

47:10

form. So that may have been three

47:12

calls or may have been four calls. But

47:14

it doesn't look like there's any kind of

47:16

long duration of of phone call coming

47:18

in or out there. Then at nine

47:21

sixteen PM, fifteen Tex Becky, and

47:23

then Becky calls the number ends in

47:25

0806 and then

47:27

fifteen Tex Becky again. And then

47:29

at nine twenty one, Jacob calls Becky Sell. It's

47:31

two seconds duration, so that

47:34

didn't connect. at nine twenty

47:36

two Jacob Text Becky, and then

47:38

at nine forty Jacob Text Becky

47:40

again, and then at

47:42

nine forty two Becky calls Jacob

47:44

for a hundred and six seconds, so just shy of two minutes.

47:47

Ten twenty four PM, Claire Rippetoe

47:49

calls Becky, that's fifty

47:52

seven seconds. eleven thirty six PM. Jacob calls

47:54

Becky. Doesn't look like that picked up.

47:56

There's no duration. And then we

47:58

jump all the way up to one twenty

47:59

two AM.

48:02

where Jacob calls Becky again with no duration. So again, remember

48:04

we're at now it's one thirty in the morning

48:06

on Wednesday night going

48:10

into Thursday we're about to hear the call

48:12

from Robert that's coming up here in

48:14

the next couple of

48:16

seconds. Also, also

48:18

Supposedly, sometime between where we're at right now

48:21

and Thursday morning, Becky left

48:23

her phone somewhere in

48:26

Sky Valley. So let's see if we

48:28

can pick that apart in

48:30

here. The next call we have is at one

48:32

thirty AM and forty

48:34

two seconds Robert Pape's cell phone calls Becky to

48:36

twenty five second call.

48:38

One minute later, Becky gets a text from

48:40

fifteen. She calls 0806

48:42

Fifteen text

48:44

her back. And then at one thirty three, Becky calls

48:46

Robert's cell phone, and they talk for a

48:48

little over

48:50

ten minutes. overlapping with

48:52

that, so it was a one thirty three call. They

48:54

would have not gotten off until

48:56

one forty four about. But

48:59

at one forty one, Jacob calls Becky Sell and

49:01

it was not picked up. There's

49:03

no duration because she was on the phone to

49:05

Robert when he called her. Then

49:09

at one fifty three AM, Becky, Tex Robert, and

49:11

then at two eighteen AM,

49:13

Robert, Tex Becky, And

49:16

then at two twenty AM, Becky Tex Roberts, two twenty

49:18

three, Robert Tex Becky, two

49:20

twenty seven AM, Becky Tex

49:24

Roberts again, and then her phone goes dark. And so

49:26

this seems like it would have to be the

49:28

time when she left

49:30

her phone. So I need

49:32

to go back to listen to

49:34

or if any of you listening to this, let me know on

49:36

social media. What it says, if you've

49:38

seen anything in the transcripts or if

49:40

you heard But we I

49:42

remember Javier saying

49:44

that he was sitting right next to Becky

49:46

when she got the call from

49:48

Robert when she was talking to him. I

49:50

thought in my memory, in my mind, that they were that

49:52

he had said they were at his house, but I'm

49:54

thinking that's probably not true. It

49:57

seems like she's with Javier because there's no contact.

49:59

And it seems anytime there's

50:01

no contact with Javier seems to line up

50:03

with when she was with Javier.

50:05

But what we can surmise from this is if she

50:08

left her phone in Sky Valley like Javier

50:10

said, remember Jacob was gonna drive her

50:12

there that morning ended up not doing it

50:14

Javier did, That means

50:16

that all those conversations with

50:18

Robert that started at one:thirty in the morning,

50:20

he called her, then she called him back, And

50:22

then a series of text messages back and forth between one:thirty in the morning

50:25

and two:thirty in the morning, she would

50:27

have, I guess, been in Sky

50:29

Valley at that time. because

50:32

on her phone records with a two twenty seven

50:35

AM text from Becky to Robert, and then nothing

50:37

on her phone until

50:39

eight thirty AM when

50:42

Becky's cell phone called her landline

50:44

called the Free Lee landline on

50:47

Thursday morning. Now, Teresa and I

50:49

have have talked about this and

50:51

we're not sure what to think here. Eight thirty

50:53

six AM seems too

50:56

early for her

50:58

to have hooked up with Jacob, started to

51:00

drive to Sky Valley, got

51:02

mad, came back, Jacob and

51:04

Javier, go

51:06

to breakfast, then Becky

51:08

meets him there, and then they end up leaving. I

51:10

don't think all of that could have and then drive all

51:12

the way to Skye Valley before she

51:14

can make this call to her

51:16

home line. So this is confusing. So at

51:18

two thirty, two twenty seven, she has

51:20

her phone. She's

51:22

texting Robert. at

51:23

eight thirty in the morning,

51:23

her cell phone calls

51:26

her parents landline.

51:28

Now what

51:30

Teresa theorized, and I think it may be accurate, is I don't know

51:32

if people didn't have locks on their phones back then.

51:34

I truly can't remember back in two

51:38

thousand six. was that maybe if she forgot her

51:40

phone somewhere at a friend's house, say

51:42

maybe at Nick Crum's house, that maybe they would have

51:44

taken the

51:46

phone and called the home line to say, hey, you left your phone here.

51:48

What's interesting is whoever

51:52

called Becky's landline is let's

51:54

say it

51:56

was whoever's how she left her phone at, you've got

51:58

this six and a half minute

51:59

call to the home line, but

52:02

anybody that we

52:02

have records for, so that

52:06

is Javier and Jacob, we don't

52:08

see a call from the home line to

52:10

either of them to let them

52:12

know that her phone's there.

52:15

So I don't know. That's that's eight

52:17

thirty six AM call from her cell

52:19

phone to the home line is kind

52:21

of a mystery If that's what it was,

52:24

it should be noted that it's possible

52:26

given the gaps we have in phone records that

52:28

weren't produced

52:30

by police. that

52:31

if, say, Claire

52:32

or Janelle was

52:34

with them at the Friends House

52:37

and Sky Valley, and

52:39

the person called the home line

52:41

then

52:42

Vicki or John could

52:44

have called Claire or Janelle

52:46

and told them to tell Becky

52:48

that they have the phone, see that on

52:50

the records. But I don't know. As of

52:52

now, it's a mystery. Eight thirty six AM

52:56

Thursday morning, there's a call from Becky Sell to

52:58

the the landline. The next

53:00

thing we see is at nine fourteen

53:02

AM, you got a text from

53:05

Javier to Becky. The next thing you have

53:07

is nine thirty four AM. You have a

53:09

call from Jacob to Becky's

53:12

cell phone that last two hundred and thirty two seconds, so over four

53:14

minutes. And then at

53:16

nine thirty eight, Jacob

53:18

calls Becky Sell again. That was twenty seven

53:20

seconds. Now,

53:22

I don't know if Becky has

53:24

her phone yet at this point. So

53:26

I don't know if they're trying to

53:29

call her that because two hundred and thirty two seconds is within the

53:31

window of a long voice mail. It could be a long voice

53:34

mail or it could have connected

53:36

with her. But again, eight

53:38

thirty four AM seems super early. They

53:40

would've had it started way early in

53:42

the morning. So I need to go back to

53:44

the interview didn't get the impression that they were leaving at six o'clock in the

53:46

morning to go get her phone.

53:48

But so I guess it's possible if,

53:50

say, it six

53:52

AM the whole journey to get the phone, the

53:54

fight, the breakfast, and then going to get

53:56

it. If that happened at six thirty

53:58

seven o'clock in the morning, The eight thirty

53:59

six AM call from Becky sell to the

54:02

Freeway landline could be Becky. She could have

54:04

already went and got it back by then.

54:06

Could have been she came back from Sky

54:08

Valley at two twenty three in

54:10

the morning is the last time we know she

54:12

was on her phone when she was texting with

54:14

Robert. Could have been she

54:16

drove back in five in the morning realized

54:18

she'd never phone and then wanted to go back. I

54:20

don't know. But these

54:22

records, that that's the only gap in time

54:24

when she wasn't using

54:26

her

54:26

phone. The first

54:28

time we know that Becky

54:30

has her phone back in her hands

54:33

is at ten forty six AM on

54:35

Thursday because Becky texts Claire

54:37

and the Claire text her back and they have

54:39

a text conversation back and

54:41

forth last fifteen, twenty minutes or so. So

54:44

by ten forty six, we

54:46

have confirmation that Becky has

54:48

her cell

54:50

phone back And at two twenty seven AM, we know that she had her cell phone because she

54:52

sent a text to Robert. Anything in

54:54

between there, it's all incoming

54:56

stuff other than the call out to

54:58

her landline, which is kind

55:00

of

55:02

perplexing. Alright. So

55:06

again, we're talking Thursday

55:08

morning. This is when the fight and the breakup

55:10

happened. And I've already

55:12

walked through what happened leading up till about eleven

55:14

o'clock in the morning. at

55:16

ten after eleven or eleven after eleven,

55:18

Becky's home line called

55:20

her cell phone fifteen seconds.

55:23

They Beccie calls right back. She calls the landline, and

55:25

there's a hundred and four second conversation

55:28

there. So it seems like she probably

55:30

did connect. And then

55:32

at eleven thirty nine,

55:34

Robert calls Becky a hundred and eighty six

55:36

second conversation, and then Claire

55:38

talks to Becky After that, we have

55:40

several text messages just between

55:42

Janelle and Becky as Janelle Peach

55:44

and OpenCart and Becky. And

55:46

then at two fifty

55:48

four PM, we have Jacob texting Becky. So now we're at two

55:50

fifty four PM, almost three o'clock in the

55:52

afternoon on Thursday. Jacob

55:54

text Becky, and then Becky texted

55:58

him back. He texts her again, she texts him back

55:59

again, and that we don't

56:01

see anything else on there until three thirty

56:03

when Harvey starts

56:06

texting Becky. So according to Jacob's story,

56:08

remember, after she had got back from

56:10

Sky Valley,

56:12

they connected again. She came

56:14

over to the house. They talked, and that's when the breakup happened.

56:16

So I don't know if that would have been

56:18

after these calls in the afternoon.

56:21

seems like it because there's no contact with

56:24

Jacob after we know she has her phone

56:26

back at around eleven, ten thirty, eleven o'clock

56:28

in the morning. until

56:30

here at three thirty in the afternoon or

56:32

just before three in the

56:34

afternoon. So there is some contact

56:36

there at three thirty

56:38

Hobby Tex Becky, three

56:40

fifty three Hobby Tex Becky

56:42

again. That seems consistent with if

56:44

she's at Jacob's house and they're talking,

56:46

then trying to work things out and end up breaking

56:49

up that seems to fit with what's going

56:51

on here. She's obviously not with Javier

56:53

because he's texting her. he text

56:55

her at three thirty. She doesn't text back, which is odd for her compared to

56:57

what we see before. And then twenty

56:59

two minutes later, Hobby

57:01

text her again. that

57:03

makes sense to me that she could have been at that time at

57:06

Jacob's house, and that's when the

57:08

breakup occurred. Then

57:10

at four o'clock, Becky tax Javier back

57:13

and they text back and forth from four

57:15

o'clock until about four

57:18

ten at a four thirty five Becky

57:20

calls Harvey. It's a twenty two

57:22

second call. And then at four forty in the afternoon, Thursday, Jacob Tex

57:24

Becky, then we have

57:26

the fifteen 0806

57:28

fifteen pattern at four forty five

57:30

PM on

57:32

Thursday. Someone who had a cell phone in two thousand six has

57:34

gotta have an idea what this

57:36

is, what that number fifteen, the text

57:38

come in, and why she always makes a

57:41

call right afterward. So if you know that, let me

57:43

know through email or through social media something because it's

57:46

driving me nuts. And I've looked online and

57:48

I can't

57:50

find anything. So anyway, at four fifty seven PM,

57:52

Becky calls Jacob and they

57:54

don't connect and then she

57:56

calls a number ending in twenty

57:58

seven eighteen.

58:00

That's a seventy one second call, and she

58:01

calls Jacob A509 that's twenty seconds,

58:04

doesn't look like it connected, and she calls

58:06

that twenty seven eighteen number again for

58:08

fifty five seconds. then the

58:10

friendly home line calls Becky

58:12

at six twenty six PM on

58:14

Thursday. That's just twenty one

58:16

second call. General m

58:18

calls Becky. It's twenty four

58:20

seconds. And then the same thing, the

58:22

text from fifteen, the 806

58:24

the

58:25

text from fifteen. Becky calls her home

58:27

line at six fifty two on Thursday, and

58:30

it's a sixty three second call just over

58:32

a minute. six

58:34

fifty four Jacob calls Becky doesn't connect. At

58:37

seven o'clock Becky takes Claire

58:39

and they text back and

58:41

forth a little bit at

58:43

seven fifty six PM. Again,

58:45

we're Thursday night. Someone from the landline

58:47

calls Becky. It's only an

58:49

eighteen second conversation. One thing

58:52

that I noticed by putting the calls

58:54

into this format where

58:56

they're all just just Becky's

58:58

calls over this long period of time,

59:00

is you really get an of uses her phone

59:02

and she's definitely on her phone a lot. You

59:04

know, when you look at these calls in

59:08

and out, in a list, if

59:10

you just look at the hour column and read over

59:12

the three o'clock hour, the four o'clock hour,

59:14

what you notice is there aren't

59:16

gaps there. I mean, every hour, there's there's a bunch of threes, a bunch of fours,

59:18

a bunch of fives, a bunch of sixs, a bunch of sevens.

59:20

She's always on her phone. That's

59:22

why I think this is

59:24

so used in getting an idea of what she was doing, and also should give

59:26

us an idea of when she's

59:28

sleeping, which if you're keeping

59:30

track isn't

59:32

much. because she was still using her

59:34

phone Wednesday night up until two thirty in the morning, presumably

59:36

had a drive home from Sky Valley

59:38

after that, maybe three in the morning,

59:41

And then it seems like she's got phone activity going

59:44

already at five thirty in the

59:46

morning. And then now we're all the way up to

59:48

seven PM on

59:50

Thursday night. still no breaks to sleep, and that's when she got a

59:52

call from her landline from her folks at

59:54

home. At eight PM,

59:56

we got the the fifteen thing

59:59

happening again same pattern. At

1:00:01

eight thirty, that night, she calls

1:00:03

her landline and it's a two hundred and twenty

1:00:05

two second conversation.

1:00:08

So almost four minutes. That was certainly a call.

1:00:10

Eight forty PM. Jacob

1:00:12

calls her, doesn't connect. Becky

1:00:15

then calls Janelle m.

1:00:18

And then she calls Jacob. That's a hundred and fifty second conversation.

1:00:20

And then Becky calls Bo

1:00:22

Nash at ten forty four PM.

1:00:25

That's fifteen seconds. the ten forty

1:00:27

six, she calls Daniella

1:00:30

Zarimino who you guys haven't heard from yet,

1:00:32

but it's a it's a friend of Becky's will get

1:00:34

into later. then she gets

1:00:36

a call from a number that ends in

1:00:38

sixteen eighty three. We haven't been able to

1:00:40

identify that's at ten fifty eight.

1:00:42

Becky calls that number back at ten thirty

1:00:44

two, just a seventeen second

1:00:46

conversation. And at ten thirty seven PM, she

1:00:48

calls Robert again. And

1:00:50

speaking of that, I think that this is it's also

1:00:52

good putting things in this form networks all of

1:00:54

just Becky's calls. Because when I

1:00:56

just listed off the last time we did

1:00:58

this, Becky's interactions with

1:01:00

Robert, it sounds like a lot. I don't remember

1:01:02

the numbers were. They were eighteen or twenty two text

1:01:04

messages over three days. It sounds like a

1:01:06

lot. But when you look through her records, you

1:01:09

see she's talking to all

1:01:11

kinds of people all day long in between the times where she has

1:01:13

any conversation with Robert. And Robert's not

1:01:16

we also know now Robert is not the only ex

1:01:18

boyfriend she's talking to. She's also talking

1:01:21

to gray during this time. And I

1:01:23

guess technically at this point now, Jacob's an ex

1:01:25

boyfriend because she had just broken up with

1:01:27

him. But back to

1:01:30

the records, Beky's actually sent a text to Robert at

1:01:32

eleven thirty seven PM,

1:01:34

and then Javier text Becky

1:01:37

Beky Tech's Harvey back. So now we know Thursday

1:01:40

night, Becky's not with

1:01:42

Javier, and she's not with Jacob,

1:01:44

she's not with Robert. So this is

1:01:46

Thursday night. Getting

1:01:48

back to the record, again, eleven thirty

1:01:51

seven PM. She sends

1:01:53

a text to Robert. hivey air

1:01:55

text her, she text Javier back, Robert text her back, and

1:01:57

then Javier calls

1:01:58

her, she doesn't pick

1:01:59

up, pick up then

1:02:02

at twelve thirty. Hobby calls are again. That's sixty seconds. Then

1:02:04

at twelve forty nine AM, so

1:02:07

we're actually into Friday now. Now this

1:02:09

is the time when Jacob says,

1:02:12

that he's already in Costa Mesa, but we know from

1:02:14

these phone records, particularly this call

1:02:16

that on going in that Friday

1:02:19

morning, he was not in Costa

1:02:21

Mesa. He was still in the valley. So it's twelve

1:02:23

forty nine. Jacob calls Becky. She doesn't pick

1:02:26

up. Then a number ending in twenty seven

1:02:28

eighteen calls Becky that's

1:02:30

five seconds. Janelle m

1:02:32

calls Becky that's twenty seven

1:02:34

seconds. Then at eleven o four AM on

1:02:36

Friday morning, Becky calls

1:02:38

Robert and that's a hundred and thirteen

1:02:40

second conversation. and that this

1:02:42

is where we have a gap where it

1:02:44

looks like Becky was sleeping. I told you if you can just

1:02:46

look down the hour column and see where it is, there's

1:02:48

789 ten,

1:02:50

eleven, twelve, There's a one forty AM call. That's when

1:02:52

that's A2718 number

1:02:54

called Becky. Five seconds. She

1:02:56

didn't pick that up, so we don't know that

1:02:58

she had phone on at that

1:03:00

point. Jacob had called her at

1:03:02

twelve forty nine AM. She

1:03:04

didn't pick that call up.

1:03:06

In fact, the last confirmed activity on Becky's cell night

1:03:08

is a text message at eleven

1:03:10

thirty eight PM or Becky

1:03:14

Text Javier. After

1:03:15

that, it's all incoming

1:03:17

texts, incoming calls,

1:03:19

and they weren't answered.

1:03:21

So

1:03:21

it it looks like after

1:03:24

eleven thirty eight, maybe that's when she finally went to

1:03:26

sleep. We don't know where she was

1:03:28

sleeping. She's obviously not with Javier

1:03:30

because Javier's texting her and

1:03:32

calling her and she's not answering

1:03:34

it. And we also saw a

1:03:36

twelve forty nine. Jacob is

1:03:38

calling her and she's not answering. And so she's not with Javier, she's not with

1:03:40

Jacob. So I'm not sure where she was

1:03:42

sleeping on that Thursday night into Saturday

1:03:44

morning, but I don't know if she's not at home because she had

1:03:46

cell phone

1:03:48

coverage. Well, that's not true. She

1:03:50

could have been home because she could have after eleven

1:03:52

thirty went up and wouldn't have had coverage.

1:03:56

and then didn't come back down into coverage until

1:03:58

eleven o'clock the next morning. So that's

1:04:00

that's possible. But we have that

1:04:02

that dark time from about eight

1:04:06

PM on Thursday until around eleven

1:04:08

in

1:04:08

the morning on Friday, and

1:04:11

the first activity

1:04:12

that came from Becky's

1:04:14

phone was Becky

1:04:17

calling Robert at

1:04:18

eleven o four,

1:04:20

and

1:04:20

then she calls Janelle m.

1:04:22

at

1:04:23

eleven twenty one. And

1:04:25

then this

1:04:25

then it says Becky Sell

1:04:27

called Becky Sellz. I don't know if she's checking

1:04:29

her voice mail there. but Claire calls her at eleven

1:04:31

thirty in the morning. That's fifty one second

1:04:34

conversation. Her sister Tanya

1:04:36

calls her at eleven

1:04:38

thirty on Friday morning. That's

1:04:40

a hundred one second conversation. Might

1:04:42

have been a voicemail

1:04:44

because six minutes later,

1:04:46

Becky Textania And then at

1:04:48

twelve twenty four Becky

1:04:50

calls Robert again, he doesn't pick up, then she

1:04:52

calls Janelle m, then

1:04:54

we have to call a bunch of calls

1:04:56

between Claire and her. And then we're back to

1:04:58

Jacob again now at twelve thirty

1:05:00

seven PM. Becky calls Jacob,

1:05:03

and there's a ninety three second conversation

1:05:06

there. So that one seems like it's

1:05:08

probably picked up. Could have been a voice mail,

1:05:10

not sure. and then

1:05:12

at twelve forty one PM

1:05:15

Javier Tex Becky. So for

1:05:17

as far as Javier's connection, we've

1:05:19

got him texting her at eleven

1:05:22

thirty seven at night. She text

1:05:24

him at eleven thirty eight.

1:05:26

He text her He tried to call her

1:05:28

a couple times after that around

1:05:30

midnight. She didn't answer, and then

1:05:32

twelve hours later at twelve

1:05:34

forty one PM. He texted

1:05:36

her again. So moving through

1:05:38

Friday. And and by the way, as I as

1:05:40

I mentioned, there was no script for this

1:05:42

episode. We're just doing this off

1:05:44

the cuff. I'm probably going to cut this off

1:05:46

after Friday, and I'm not

1:05:48

gonna make you may wait a week. I'll probably

1:05:50

do a bonus

1:05:52

episode maybe earlier

1:05:54

next week. But as you guys know,

1:05:56

Kelly's on assignment in Ireland, and she's

1:05:58

taking time off her vacation to

1:05:59

edit and this episode's

1:06:02

getting super long, way longer than I wanted it

1:06:04

to. So we're gonna wrap

1:06:06

this up with Friday. And right now, we're

1:06:08

at around noon

1:06:10

on Friday twelve forty one, Hobby Text's Becky

1:06:12

again, and then Claire

1:06:14

calls

1:06:16

Becky, Becky calls Claire,

1:06:18

then Becky texts Javier

1:06:20

back at one thirty seven PM. So

1:06:22

she lets her hour go by before she texts him

1:06:24

back, Harvey texts her

1:06:26

right back, Looks like

1:06:28

Becky Text checks her voice mail a couple

1:06:30

times at one thirty eight. Then

1:06:32

Hobby Text Becky again.

1:06:34

Becky then calls Javier

1:06:36

three seconds. so many missed calls. One thing you'll see when you go through these

1:06:38

records, there are so many missed

1:06:40

calls. It's I've never seen

1:06:42

so much people who seemed

1:06:44

to want to talk to each other, missing each

1:06:46

other's calls constantly back and

1:06:48

forth. But anyway, back to the

1:06:50

records at two thirty

1:06:52

seven PM, Havier calls Becky Sell. That

1:06:54

sixty seconds, don't know if that went through or

1:06:56

not. But one minute later,

1:06:58

he calls again.

1:07:00

That's another sixty seconds. It seems

1:07:02

like they're not going through Becky calls Javier at three fourteen

1:07:04

PM. Seems to miss the

1:07:06

call. It's a three seconds

1:07:09

conversation or three second duration,

1:07:11

then Becky calls Claire, doesn't

1:07:13

go through. Hadi calls Becky at three thirty.

1:07:15

That's a two

1:07:18

minute conversation. Three thirty seven, Becky calls Javier for twenty one

1:07:20

second conversation probably didn't go

1:07:22

through. Three forty, Harvey

1:07:24

calls Becky

1:07:26

sell That's a two minute conversation. So there's a there's a bunch

1:07:28

of calls here around the three,

1:07:30

four o'clock hour where Javier

1:07:32

is calling Becky and Becky is calling Javier.

1:07:36

Without reading all these, what we can surmise from this is

1:07:39

Becky was not with Javier

1:07:41

on Friday. I mean, we've got all these

1:07:43

calls from him in in

1:07:45

the the wreck hurt is Becky to Javier, Javier to Becky,

1:07:47

Becky to Javier all day. There's nothing with

1:07:50

Robert Pope. There's nothing

1:07:52

with Jacob. on Friday

1:07:54

afternoon, everything is between Claire

1:07:56

and Becky and Javier and Becky all

1:07:59

day long on Friday.

1:08:01

all the

1:08:01

way up until seven, twelve

1:08:03

PM. And that's when things change at least a

1:08:06

little bit because otherwise, it's just text

1:08:08

messages back and forth from half a year.

1:08:10

seven twelve, Becky calls

1:08:12

Jacob twenty seven seconds.

1:08:14

And within that same minute, Beau

1:08:16

Nash calls

1:08:18

Becky five seconds. calls again seconds. They're

1:08:20

not connecting. Then Javier is still

1:08:22

texting Becky at seven thirteen. They're

1:08:26

still not together. seven twenty calls Jacob for

1:08:29

twenty five seconds. Eight

1:08:31

o'clock Javier calls Becky's

1:08:34

home line. sixty seconds. So now we're getting into

1:08:37

the Friday night. Remember

1:08:39

that Javier and Beau left

1:08:41

the party in the core lines

1:08:43

and went up to Becky's on

1:08:45

Friday night. We'll take a quick break here.

1:08:47

We're gonna get back in. I'm at least gonna get you through sorry, Kelly. gonna get you

1:08:49

through Friday night and

1:08:52

Saturday morning. because

1:08:55

we have some some markers there. We've got

1:08:57

the party going on. We've got Javier and

1:08:59

Beau going to Becky's house. They

1:09:01

woke up together. Beau heads back to

1:09:03

work. But we're gonna get you at least through there in this episode.

1:09:06

Right for a short

1:09:08

break.

1:09:12

Alright. I'm

1:09:17

gonna

1:09:19

ping back up at seven thirteen PM. That's because at at

1:09:21

seven thirteen, you have a text from

1:09:24

Javier to

1:09:26

Becky. And at that same time, you have a call from Bow Nash to

1:09:29

Becky that was looks like it was picked up.

1:09:31

It was a hundred and twenty four

1:09:34

seconds. so just over a two minute duration.

1:09:36

So at seven thirteen PM,

1:09:38

Becky is still in the valley.

1:09:41

Her phone still has service. Abehr's text

1:09:43

her Abehr has been texting her all day and Beau

1:09:45

calls her, and we know at least

1:09:47

from their stories, Abehr and

1:09:50

Beau are together that night at

1:09:52

seven fifteen, Becky Tech's Javier.

1:09:54

Seven twenty three, she calls Jacob twenty

1:09:58

five

1:09:58

seconds.

1:09:59

No answer. Then

1:10:00

we jump up to 804

1:10:03

PM, and there you have Javier calling Becky's home line

1:10:07

for sixty seconds. I don't know if that's picked up

1:10:09

or not because remember Hobby's records, which is where that record would come from, only show whole

1:10:12

minutes. So it

1:10:14

just shows one minute there.

1:10:16

but at least at 804

1:10:18

PM, Harvey believes Becky is home because he's calling her

1:10:21

home line instead

1:10:23

of her cell At eight

1:10:24

fifteen, Jacob calls Becky Sell and connects

1:10:27

for two hundred and sixty six

1:10:29

seconds. So they talk

1:10:31

on Friday night That's again one of

1:10:33

the calls that showed that Jacob was not in Costa Mesa, he was still in the valley. And it looks like at

1:10:36

fifteen Becky was still in the valley,

1:10:38

at least somewhere where she still had

1:10:40

reception

1:10:42

at eight fifteen because it looks like she definitely picked up that

1:10:44

call. And then it seems like right

1:10:47

looks like right after they got off that

1:10:49

call, Jacob called her again for another two

1:10:51

hundred fifty one seconds. And then at

1:10:53

eight thirty five, Becky's cell phone calls

1:10:55

Janelle. That's

1:10:56

a three second

1:10:58

call, but so that's

1:11:00

Becky using her phone. She had service,

1:11:02

so she's still down the valley at eight thirty five. Then Janelle

1:11:05

calls

1:11:05

her back

1:11:08

after that. And

1:11:08

then at eight forty nine, Hobby

1:11:10

calls Becky's home again. Now that's a three hundred second conversation. That's

1:11:14

a five minute

1:11:16

conversation. And we stopped seeing Becky's

1:11:18

cell phone in use at that point. So it seems like the conversation with Janelle

1:11:23

Bacard with Jacob was probably happening

1:11:25

as Becky was driving up the hill towards

1:11:27

home. And by eight

1:11:28

forty nine PM,

1:11:31

Becky's at home. and Javier

1:11:33

called. I don't know how Javier so Javier must have still been in the valley then too if he called because he had

1:11:36

service. So

1:11:39

he calls her and has this

1:11:41

three hundred second conversation. So eight forty nine, Hobby appears to not be at the party yet

1:11:43

because he still had

1:11:47

cell phone coverage. but

1:11:48

it looks like Becky probably was home by

1:11:50

that point because we have no more contact with Becky's cell phone. What

1:11:55

we do see is at eleven

1:11:57

fifty six PM, which this fits the pattern where we're gonna run into this on Sunday night.

1:11:59

We have these confusing calls from Becky's

1:12:02

landline to her cell

1:12:04

phone. Well, here

1:12:06

we have a time when we know Becky was alive. There's no indication she had lost her phone eleven

1:12:11

fifty six PM. Becky's landline

1:12:13

calls Becky's cell phone for thirty nine seconds. So I'm gonna gonna go back to

1:12:15

what I originally thought those were, which

1:12:18

is probably her checking her voice

1:12:20

mail.

1:12:20

which is probably her checking her voice mail

1:12:22

Then at eleven

1:12:24

fifty seven, from the landline, Becky

1:12:26

calls Jacob, that's ninety five seconds,

1:12:30

and it's says routed, which means I think that means it

1:12:32

went to a voice mail. Yeah. So that

1:12:34

must have went

1:12:35

to voice mail.

1:12:38

twelve

1:12:38

o six. She calls from the

1:12:40

landline, calls Jacob again seven

1:12:42

seconds. Twelve o seven calls again.

1:12:44

That one's three seconds. They're not

1:12:47

going through. again. Twelve o nine. She

1:12:49

tries again. So we have multiple

1:12:51

calls from Becky from her

1:12:53

landline around midnight trying to

1:12:56

call Jacob. Then

1:12:58

at twelve o nine AM after multiple attempts to call Jacob Becky from landline

1:13:01

calls Robert

1:13:04

vape cell, and they

1:13:06

talk for two hundred eighty nine seconds, so

1:13:08

that's close to five minutes. And then at twelve thirteen,

1:13:10

she tries to call Jacob again, twenty five seconds.

1:13:14

twelve fourteen tries it again

1:13:16

thirty two seconds. Then again at

1:13:18

twelve fourteen, she tries another time

1:13:20

to call Jacob that one's

1:13:23

thirty seconds. That's twelve fourteen AM. So at this

1:13:25

time, according to Beau

1:13:27

and Javier, around one thirty in the

1:13:29

morning is when they left the party and

1:13:31

went to back keys

1:13:34

on Friday night into Saturday morning, and we're in. That's where we're at right now. So we have

1:13:37

at one twenty

1:13:40

six AM Jacob

1:13:43

starts calling Becky's house

1:13:45

line. In one twenty five,

1:13:47

Jacob calls the freely landline.

1:13:49

It's a nineteen second

1:13:51

duration. but this is interesting because this is not a cell phone where they just

1:13:53

don't pick up. I don't know how you get

1:13:55

those short durations on

1:13:58

an incoming call. into

1:13:59

the home line, but

1:13:59

I believe our

1:14:00

expert Ian had told us a while back

1:14:02

that the time that it's ringing counts

1:14:06

towards those seconds. on the cell phone side of it, and this would come off

1:14:08

of the cell phone records. So I don't

1:14:10

know if that means someone picked up

1:14:12

because he said, usually, you got thirty

1:14:14

seconds worth of rings. It's like rings

1:14:17

at five seconds apiece before it'll cut off or go to voice

1:14:19

mail or whatever. But we have nineteen seconds the

1:14:22

we have nineteen seconds of

1:14:24

Jacob calling. And then a minute

1:14:26

later, he calls back that seven seconds. Then at two twenty

1:14:31

AM, Bekie's landline calls her cell

1:14:32

phone for twelve seconds. And

1:14:34

at

1:14:34

two twenty one AM,

1:14:36

same thing,

1:14:37

the landline calls her

1:14:40

cell phone. it

1:14:40

definitely seems like she's probably

1:14:43

checking her voice mail. What's interesting there though is sometime around

1:14:45

one thirty

1:14:47

in the morning Beky had

1:14:49

to go down and according to Javier, Becky had to

1:14:52

go down to Nick Coreline's house and

1:14:54

pick him up and take him and

1:14:56

Beau back

1:14:59

up to her house. And if I if I remember

1:15:01

correctly, Javier said he rode with Becky

1:15:03

and then Beau followed

1:15:06

them in his vehicle. And I could be misremembering that,

1:15:08

but that was the way I recalled

1:15:10

it. But what's interesting is there's

1:15:13

no but

1:15:15

there's no contact to Becky's house anywhere close to there

1:15:17

from Javier. It was like back at eight o'clock when Javier talked

1:15:20

to her,

1:15:21

when he

1:15:23

called the landline, The

1:15:25

only calls to the Friedley House from this

1:15:27

group at all from anyone that we have records for are

1:15:29

Jacob Santiago calling

1:15:32

Becky's House. the

1:15:34

only person it could be is we don't because remember,

1:15:36

we don't have home records for those for

1:15:39

that day, and we don't have Bo

1:15:41

Nash's records. So I guess

1:15:43

it's possible Bo could have made the call to

1:15:45

Becky to have her come down and get them. Or it's also possible they just got

1:15:47

in Bose Car and drove

1:15:50

up to Becky's house that

1:15:52

night. but there's definitely no

1:15:54

call from Javier to Becky's house to the landline that night. We

1:15:56

do have the

1:15:58

calls from Jacob's

1:15:59

cell phone to the

1:16:02

landline. When I first saw this, I thought, well, maybe maybe that's why Jacob

1:16:04

said that he was in Costa Mesa

1:16:06

when he wasn't, because maybe he was actually

1:16:10

a party with Javier, thought it was

1:16:12

onto something because it's right at the time

1:16:14

at one thirty in the morning when

1:16:17

Javier says they went up there, But

1:16:19

then it occurred to me, Jacob has cell phone service

1:16:21

to make that call, which mean he

1:16:23

couldn't have been up in

1:16:25

the Coreline's house. So

1:16:27

that wasn't it. So as we get

1:16:29

into wrapping things up for today, we were looking for

1:16:31

the dark periods. So

1:16:35

we have Becky the phone, their their

1:16:37

phone calls coming into her, their phone calls coming out from her landline.

1:16:39

The last thing we see

1:16:42

going out from her

1:16:44

landline is at two

1:16:46

twenty one AM, her landline called her cell phone presumably to check

1:16:51

her voice mail And at 408

1:16:54

AM, we have an incoming call that's marked as one, the number one,

1:16:58

the number one calling Becky's cell

1:16:59

phone. I don't know what that's about, but it's five seconds.

1:17:01

It wasn't picked up. So the last time that

1:17:03

we see activity

1:17:07

from The freely landline going out someone actually for sure

1:17:09

using it was at two twenty one AM.

1:17:11

The landline called Becky's cell phone, which

1:17:14

I presume is her checking her voice

1:17:16

mail. and things are dark

1:17:18

until six forty one AM, which we still don't have any activity there. We have Jacob calling her

1:17:24

landline That's rough.

1:17:25

It's six forty one AM on

1:17:27

a Saturday. Jacob calls

1:17:29

jacob calls bakkies landline

1:17:32

Becky's landline In Saturday morning, we do

1:17:34

know then he was in Costa Mesa. So he calls our

1:17:36

landline. It's a twenty

1:17:39

second call. It's six forty

1:17:41

one AM, and then he calls her cell phone right

1:17:43

after that thirty three second call

1:17:47

wasn't picked up. and then at six

1:17:49

forty four calls her cell phone again, then at six forty five calls her cell

1:17:52

phone again, forty five calls her cellphone

1:17:54

again Then at eight thirty five,

1:17:56

Becky's cell phone calls

1:17:58

Bo Nash. So

1:17:59

remember Bo Nash

1:18:02

says he specifically remembered leaving

1:18:05

Becky's house and heading down the hill at

1:18:07

eight eleven AM. Well, so he

1:18:11

would have been by eight thirty five, probably

1:18:13

close to back end cell phone range or in cell phone range if

1:18:15

that's accurate. But it seems Becky

1:18:17

had left too because at eight

1:18:20

thirty five Bekke

1:18:22

and her cell phone called

1:18:24

BoNasha's cell phone for twenty

1:18:26

four seconds at eight thirty

1:18:29

five AM on Saturday, And then

1:18:31

at eight thirty five, we've got the fifteen. Becky

1:18:33

calls 0806 and then

1:18:35

the fifteen text again. And

1:18:37

then at eight forty, Becky calls a number ending

1:18:40

in 0380 And

1:18:42

then at eight forty AM, Becky

1:18:44

calls Jacob and that's a three

1:18:46

hundred and sixty six second conversation.

1:18:49

That that tracks, I believe, to an extent, Jacob had said

1:18:51

that he was trying to call Becky on Saturday jacob

1:18:53

said that he was trying to call becky on saturday morning

1:18:56

morning and

1:18:56

then they finally got in touch. So

1:18:58

that happened. But what

1:18:58

we know is that call came from her. He did call her

1:19:02

home

1:19:03

line that morning

1:19:05

at

1:19:05

six forty one AM, doesn't look like anybody picked

1:19:07

it up, but the when they

1:19:10

actually finally connected and

1:19:12

spoke, was

1:19:14

when at eight forty AM, went Becky from

1:19:16

her cell phone. So she's left the house. She's

1:19:18

headed down the hill at that point. Our

1:19:20

lawyer's down in the valley. And we had that

1:19:23

three hundred sixty six second conversation with

1:19:25

Jacob that morning. The eight

1:19:27

forty seven, Hobby calls

1:19:29

Becky that seventy nine seconds. then one minute

1:19:31

later at eight forty eight. Hobby calls Becky again, and

1:19:33

they talk for a hundred and twenty

1:19:35

seconds or two minutes. And I think

1:19:37

that's where we're gonna wrap things up

1:19:40

for today and the next

1:19:42

episode, either will be next week's main or if I have time to get this out and get edited as a bonus, I'll do that for

1:19:44

you. But that's a lot

1:19:46

to unpack right there. You've got

1:19:50

at the Javier interview at the beginning. You've

1:19:52

got all these phone records. This but

1:19:54

this Saturday morning is interesting to

1:19:57

me because we heard this story of

1:19:59

like a phone call that Javier was talking to his mom

1:20:01

and then Becky was in the other

1:20:03

room. The understanding was that

1:20:05

all that took place on

1:20:08

Saturday morning But what

1:20:10

we see is nobody had cell service. All they had was Becky's

1:20:12

landline. And by eight thirty

1:20:14

in the morning, they're all out.

1:20:18

Beccy, Beau, and Javier all

1:20:21

have cell service by

1:20:23

eight

1:20:23

forty in the morning

1:20:26

on Saturday. they're headed down the hill and they're and they're not together.

1:20:28

I mean Javier and Beau could be together,

1:20:30

but Javier and Beau

1:20:31

and neither of them are

1:20:33

with Becky at that point. because they are both talking

1:20:35

to her on her cell or she's calling them or

1:20:38

they're calling her. So that's a lot to unpack

1:20:40

for this week, and it's

1:20:42

certainly plenty for Kelly to edit

1:20:44

from Ireland. Sorry, Kelly. Again, didn't think it was gonna

1:20:46

be this long. And we will continue on with this

1:20:48

in the next episode. Be it

1:20:51

a bonus or be it next

1:20:54

week's main episode and may just be the main

1:20:56

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1:20:58

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