0:34

hello everybody and welcome back to truth and

0:36

justice for this

0:38

week's episode as i mentioned on this

0:40

week's follow up i'm really wanting to

0:43

to move ahead and start working on

0:45

the case against robert christian i've

0:47

actually got a whole episode put together ready

0:49

to put out on that are ready to record i'm

0:51

trying to find a way to make this more linear

0:54

and since we just did have years interview

0:56

and we did jacobs interview a

0:59

few people have been posted on social media

1:01

and without a little bit about this on the follow up that

1:04

would just listen always interviews are not getting information

1:07

if you feel like you're not getting information

1:09

you need to listen more carefully

1:12

what i'm doing now is continuing on

1:15

the track that i would if i was investigating

1:17

and of the track that the officers did were

1:20

following a trail of breadcrumbs and

1:22

it's absolutely possible the becky was

1:24

not the target of this attack then

1:26

maybe what we end up doing is clearing

1:28

this list of suspects moving on there

1:31

is a ton of information here not

1:33

just about becky and about the way

1:35

back he lived in her relationships

1:38

but we also here little nuggets about

1:40

john and vicky and about the home

1:42

live in other risk factors that we haven't

1:44

learned about before and

1:46

it is critically important than the reason i'm

1:48

continuing down this path why have

1:50

shifted away from the episode the episode planned for this

1:53

week is because when we start

1:55

cross referencing the stories of

1:57

this whole group we start to get not

1:59

only the or a picture of what actually

2:01

happened that night but i'm also

2:03

noticing some big discrepancies

2:06

and we start to see who's lying

2:08

who's telling the truth in we're the

2:11

utility isn't those lies this

2:13

is very very important that

2:15

we continue down this track and so that's

2:17

what we're going to do right another

2:19

thing that i want to address again as i said in the follow

2:22

but case you didn't listen the need interview

2:24

episodes it is critically important that you listen

2:26

to the friday follow up there very

2:28

long they're packed full of information

2:31

none of these interviews are the

2:33

types of interviews where i can just pull five minutes

2:35

of play it and talk about it so because

2:38

this is a crowdsource investigation i'm giving you guys

2:40

the whole thing in them are breaking

2:42

them down on fridays the

2:44

things that i want you to listen for in this

2:46

episode his first indeed in other

2:48

contexts here these are the twenty fifth

2:51

of september hobby year had just

2:53

been interviewed at the police station and

2:55

shortly after that i don't know the exact time

2:57

seems like maybe an hour's past because

3:00

he says court donovan is essentially

3:03

his alibi for that night police

3:05

then go to court donovan's house to talk

3:07

to him to verify what have you

3:09

had said cut out

3:11

at the beginning of this interview because a dog

3:13

barking and it's just awful to listen to

3:16

the what happens here is the police come in

3:18

and korea parents say oh his room's

3:20

a mess you guys to talk outside any

3:23

officer goes into coreys room speak to

3:25

him in his room inquiry

3:27

says no we should go outside they

3:30

go outside and it gets revealed about

3:32

halfway through the interview that javier

3:35

was actually in korea room

3:37

and from all the reports we find out that he was actually

3:39

hiding in the closet when the

3:41

officers got there the just

3:43

the you know that and then i also want you to listen

3:45

to the end of the interview you're kind

3:47

of and i did delete out a lot

3:50

of this lot of footsteps and car doors opening

3:52

and closing a cut that stuff out but

3:54

the oscars go back into the house to get a

3:56

copy of a tape and there's a brief

3:58

conversation with korea mother that

4:00

occurs during that time i wanted to include

4:03

that not great audio but i

4:05

want to make sure the habit so to their drivers

4:07

short break really get into season twelve

4:09

episode nineteen corey

4:11

donovan

4:30

the current like a lot of people have

4:33

, names come up up

4:36

know the what we need to do is

4:38

going to hurt her behavior

4:40

spared from spared was

4:43

, circle how are a fucking

4:45

javier are

4:48

mean machine that he

4:50

was ah mean of the

4:52

hard to hear oh

4:54

yeah i hit your seem to make

4:56

sure

4:59

they have

5:06

information here is a hill

5:08

are why yeah

5:12

murmur why ah michael

5:15

realize , a state are

5:18

you going on e on

5:20

l o

5:31

are you working for all those

5:33

osu are

5:37

you going on

5:42

federated yes

5:45

the first murphy cars yeah last

5:54

last last the my district

6:01

however as

6:06

or , whoever

6:09

always have to go to it for the of should

6:11

a lot of a week a area

6:13

or do you have a trainer goes a trainer

6:16

nothing los angeles

6:19

have angeles clue what

6:23

you're homeless

6:32

probably not in trouble for example

6:35

and , i'm i'm

6:39

to oversee to chess

6:42

or her mom was

6:46

when i her looking

6:51

at anyone often promo was always

6:53

awesome yeah

6:57

and i'm talking more minutes than

6:59

that you know people made

7:02

using than talking know you drug

7:04

most hard drive around

7:06

drop off in

7:08

our interview so many things come hard

7:11

and how though not

7:14

good when i heard off us and by

7:16

for those of kill

7:19

someone for

7:23

now

7:27

the now

7:29

when a telephone i can offer them

7:32

for minors throw

7:36

why don't you tell me

7:40

what you know about

7:44

i know i

7:46

guess hard time vast reserves

7:53

earlier

7:58

shirley

8:03

when a gimmick backing far

8:06

, like first rts rts

8:08

hundred us as

8:14

like yes

8:19

like the air carriers my mom

8:22

also school and high schools are probably

8:24

wow

8:28

i'm having a singer yes yes

8:34

the annoying impersonal

8:38

tommy

8:40

so stop mom like your voice

8:42

the award as a sale

8:48

say

8:50

i love affair

8:54

with also with him is her first

8:57

love was

9:03

american

9:05

i cigarette smoke

9:09

, that is not small business loan from

9:11

like like

9:13

about an underlying and thirty

9:18

there was and thirty or

9:21

three intoxicated and i three intoxicated senate

9:24

i sorry sauce

9:26

, and senate

9:30

so smooth sorry those of

9:32

you walk as bad

9:35

as bad reserve

9:37

said i feel like

9:40

we're to disrupt together together

9:43

again much as soon as , saw

9:45

that was like okay loser oh

9:49

also years lives in minnesota asking

9:55

was you for that gave

9:58

me a week

10:03

when are you hanging

10:09

oh yes i know ,

10:11

than around with with month ago

10:13

that have that nice

10:16

atletico just when children

10:18

are being are really hot out with a myself

10:21

on hobbies around and said being around them

10:24

are you have a particle handler signing

10:29

, early really

10:34

caster thing

10:38

the affection i think she showed

10:40

him from , mom

10:43

already got a girl girl

10:46

necklace with as with as

10:48

martyrs was gone your money or sisters

10:52

or below

10:56

the cancellation got them all

10:58

from ashland so i think is really a

11:00

gun her personality was like a

11:03

free to smoke say

11:12

up

11:18

the i won't buy your own horn

11:21

washer

11:24

the reverse you are lucky we've had

11:27

, first i went up with some with

11:29

them feel like like

11:33

fire yeah so so

11:35

i saw it

11:41

more

11:44

you remember sunday sunday

11:48

yesterday , philosophy

11:54

the and i had a woman

11:58

no

11:59

the name on some days

12:02

when they found that writers of money for

12:04

, another knows money on a monday

12:06

so yeah yeah night sunday night

12:09

would have probably i

12:11

would with me ,

12:14

very night nearing house me

12:18

altruism that there they them off

12:21

same as same

12:23

order and ago

12:27

what are

12:34

one

12:38

i don't either online or

12:42

on saturday nights yeah the

12:49

river here at all i know

12:52

i saw some i saw was asean

12:54

they are then is now like

12:59

mom

13:02

oh my gosh

13:04

i saw

13:07

lemme lemme tell you that the how many

13:10

irregular fire

13:12

mickey's house was on sunday night

13:15

there

13:16

though he came back to the saturday

13:19

night where you have you know and how here

13:22

and well

13:25

go ahead i have i think what

13:28

a sunday to have it all that said they're all jab

13:30

around and everything or was or said

13:34

in order for me she laundry

13:36

with conrad hermes and

13:39

, use your help me burdens

13:41

me to tell you in the wall wall

13:44

don't really remember my wife that well it

13:46

may have been like a sunday cause i cause my

13:49

friend alan calling and saying his dad

13:51

was have found out a monday cause

13:53

i was like i'm only back to my

13:56

face

13:59

like upper body there

14:02

in , wheelbarrow in the house burned down

14:05

down maybe was sunday was with

14:08

you this issue where did you

14:10

find did you music

14:13

newer homes

14:15

excels was not monday homes

14:17

i just as zero saw know

14:20

how did you find that farmers are now

14:22

and our

14:27

,

14:34

there was no heavier than

14:36

three his dad went over there are

14:38

about up a here's something like that that

14:41

he will suffer as , well

14:43

found out that out so

14:47

i'll endeavour been here for the

14:49

elmer like

14:52

this city

15:01

how how about

15:03

it he doesn't identify it as aka

15:07

flowering call you

15:12

the one where her know why

15:14

you know cause of houses soviet like employee

15:18

power

15:22

our around

15:24

the i get pregnant

15:26

oil

15:31

yeah earlier than moderate

15:34

human or animal parallel

15:37

woman

15:39

her like anyone there

15:41

hustling

15:47

henrico

15:49

haga and , don't have

15:51

like you did you the news say

15:54

is like having suffered over the

15:56

on the cell phone to her assistant still

15:58

have lost

15:59

yeah

16:05

however backlash

16:08

so more school rule

16:13

, out where you are

16:17

you are to school merging with merging phones are so many

16:19

my mother my

16:23

know your house it

16:31

really loud noises are made made it

16:34

a , and as for your home phone and a son

16:36

of the whole you have have fans

16:39

who have you so you want to said sunday

16:41

night or your house

16:47

no before you went to bed

16:50

where you haha

16:52

war had realized that i was hanging

16:54

out with no out and on them and

16:57

, keep having

16:59

, boys

17:04

where are you hang out

17:10

the network sonia ,

17:12

matter is around them during our

17:14

face we all have and plus drive around

17:16

all that that those with your hobby

17:19

phone as your hobby and

17:26

are you guys are separate cars or while

17:32

we're hanging

17:38

yeah bobby initially

17:40

chemo in my area as red

17:42

alert his job they called him up missing from your visa

17:45

and yellow

17:47

south sudan

17:50

hobby and i when his car with

17:52

them car their readers with have your

17:57

mouse

18:07

or the heart of her i

18:11

, our house

18:16

who era down refugee dear

18:21

i on my face what's

18:24

your name on my face

18:26

her

18:32

no honey or came over here

18:36

was , got his eyes of

18:43

there were here i use

18:48

, alcohol very keen keen

18:51

a home and enough is

18:54

worth thinking

19:01

i think that's when we all got no heck

19:04

when his , cards

19:07

you guys she goes anywhere

19:17

however

19:37

so how did you ever your house between

19:40

, delayed time and then if

19:42

you don't have the authority authority

19:44

and then you guys want to the

19:46

del taco un have easier

19:49

don't have don't there

19:51

so you haven't joseph was his response

19:54

was first

19:59

the man

19:59

mercury what has a large

20:02

scar hyena gov

20:06

wow a metaphor

20:16

you what time it was in you guys met up with an

20:18

i mean mean when came your and just hang out

20:20

for a little while or i'm

20:29

just getting line

20:32

i remember earlier

20:43

the were open up your health

20:57

the way i reveal your miles

20:59

from than one

21:03

you

21:12

there's like a more severe

21:15

not really

21:19

and he hussein

21:23

hi i'm

21:26

, work i

21:28

think are leaving nine the moon knight rises

21:47

yeah no more

21:54

my home

21:56

yeah

22:01

no idea i have have that

22:03

death from owning it must

22:05

acquire play something

22:11

i guess i'll know

22:13

for sure that those their logic i think there

22:16

are you i'm i'm a non signatory

22:18

hi

22:20

helen how's the i know

22:22

they are a girl against

22:31

minimal number

22:35

remember paragraph

22:43

when did

22:45

, go a a

22:48

javier neck javier boathouse

22:51

at all on at a not

22:54

that i still around

23:04

how miracle ready

23:15

having try to collarbone

23:22

hi where are her we have

23:30

he have like her parking pass or

23:33

yeah

23:35

marijuana

23:52

the new kid i remember something specifically

23:55

about the parking pass through it

23:58

you guys said guys said is it obviously

23:59

then i'm working

24:07

hollywood house

24:14

the run out of work

24:19

oh you're a dentist along with her birth

24:21

i think the only time only time her how worthless

24:29

i'm i'm a hoarder have a

24:39

god damn america where we

24:42

, in fact one of your answer

24:45

on ears are now

24:54

no wonder you tell you are

24:59

oh

25:01

boy is a slice and

25:04

declares these

25:15

the i rely on

25:17

has written a prison longer

25:19

thought you the

25:22

war i hardly wonderful about

25:31

now did you

25:33

, you is accurately was

25:36

that i remember

25:41

yeah

25:46

wow

26:02

on really that

26:06

yeah we are you no

26:10

him house hell

26:20

however article

26:33

an agreement about how can the catholic

26:39

remember that matter you and remember that

26:45

where

26:59

the next

27:01

the local government

27:07

he will

27:12

i

27:14

wouldn't agree you are

27:17

home and i were all done around here on

27:19

the

27:21

yeah sure

27:23

un yes very

27:27

the former

27:31

added myself

27:36

however of view

27:39

the lady given

27:42

us

27:51

my

27:54

my how i was

28:01

gummy bears the first

28:05

the devil fascinating chance

28:11

now i know he works

28:14

murder sunday

28:17

, sizing

28:20

may have the nerve

28:52

hello

29:02

wonder how he got into

29:08

said and

29:16

hi

29:21

what i like

29:24

my god you're like

29:27

really talks were recently really

29:30

as a hobby to me like

29:32

he has no sir he like was going

29:36

, a car guys shoes or worse

29:41

like a photo shop

29:44

around for that

29:46

the going on in the early as i just really

29:56

the would have him

30:08

our favor

30:13

nobody was have

30:24

have even been affecting how of is just

30:26

as we get proper nouns has this recession

30:28

sauce

30:35

when i met the love affair for another

30:37

job and a half were

30:41

, at it is half an hour to them

30:44

and africa

30:53

my name yeah they are you going

30:55

away for you some my dad

31:04

rather more

31:09

who are who come along the way he

31:14

now

31:19

what about on sunday

31:28

the hamlet hundred

31:31

hundred and i europe it next

31:34

house and hollywood

31:36

either a mix of

31:42

the were younger

31:47

monroe remember hit

31:49

overnight

32:00

i guess

32:05

when you drive my ,

32:09

what if he five the truck

32:16

hello

32:31

he might him

32:35

the armor valuable than they

32:37

, gotten a minor minor

32:41

having our he'll

32:44

remember

32:47

yeah

32:54

the saturday night think back to

32:57

back that i love affair that affair get a wide

32:59

or your home drunk or probably

33:01

like it most of his house

33:04

most likely source

33:13

the like a

33:15

week ago

33:22

remember the thirty talking about honoring

33:25

month ago yeah all that

33:32

her however

33:34

right

33:56

the home and tell me they

33:58

were prefer going away to college

33:59

yeah well i

34:02

mean i just i merged together i think

34:05

together seven zaffar you really have really family

34:08

my an average they did you see that gives a thirty

34:11

thirty now hundred it

34:14

, one more hour and

34:16

, low and chrome and

34:18

all of us there the

34:22

that saturday

34:24

anything that is ross off hobby there

34:28

come on a hobby most of them up something

34:30

like i've ever seen drove up some

34:32

, left left

34:34

house and picking up otherwise

34:39

like

34:43

of the house

34:51

or rather

34:54

than than

34:58

maradona of other than a

35:05

the whole man crowded a defender has

35:07

, pick up she

35:10

got hobby out about

35:12

i remember like i remember that

35:14

happening i don't see a song about that

35:17

of moscow's just

35:19

knows was knows was

35:23

and then she came by you didn't

35:25

favorite part of them are

35:29

falling back on little are

35:31

about

35:43

that he said alan joyce

35:49

the our yeah and your life

36:09

now the hear a thing on fire

36:13

why they have

36:16

my hair

36:28

i hear the runway like and of for some

36:31

senses

36:37

they arrive earlier was

36:54

you know what i'm you that

36:56

to necessarily

37:01

the my there's if

37:04

i drank yeah

37:15

you know remember it

37:19

suggests that holsters

37:23

remember coming on saturday i would

37:25

he said

37:33

yeah yeah atlanta

37:53

hurry

38:09

one like this day helicopter

38:35

maradona school

38:43

there are more who don't forget her

38:51

right

38:55

haha yeah he's washed or

38:59

right

39:14

where

39:17

next half you think you're doing him wanting

39:20

, him sure how you guys

39:22

are not quite sure how you go home pressure

39:25

which it isn't pressure which a saturday if you were there

39:28

here

39:31

okay more cisco someone would have

39:33

happened i wasn't nascent

39:36

silva said movies

39:38

as rover

39:43

their healthcare for of various yeah

39:45

but honestly three people are that man people

39:48

are dead okay and

39:54

you don't know that's what

39:57

i don't remember i'm sure i'm did i

39:59

never

39:59

i'm gonna write up in arms

40:02

navy my most

40:15

are you know what i'm about prepared

40:17

or anything like is failing

40:21

the hello

40:23

how party was saturday night

40:26

on the fi

40:29

join our you're sorry

40:39

however

40:49

haven't you ever thought

40:51

he was said search party saturday so

40:55

oh man

40:59

the better they are not nothing

41:01

hazard so you're at preserving

41:05

okay but you're not

41:08

allowed , a circle saturday without

41:10

emotion

41:15

that we're about an hour for that one man

41:18

for an answer to refine our funny

41:24

yeah northern that we're by no

41:26

one last question they are you are you

41:29

say you know younger know

41:31

, while

41:42

the

41:50

the i didn't know already that

41:58

the

42:01

however enemies and why somebody

42:03

may have told us that they saw you

42:06

yeah

42:21

sunday that i woke up

42:40

however hello

42:44

he was a friday to

42:48

, a mess of america with a pattern

42:51

dot to be a mess with tobacco

42:55

wire

43:09

on your mom bought [unk] merino

43:12

sheep

43:23

he island or enough

43:28

like

43:31

however for that he got sick

43:34

welp america remember

43:36

your mama here might have shot at

43:38

home so that my timeline

43:42

no it

43:50

in a way i remember thinking

43:52

as

43:56

video monsieur our

44:10

the i'm on it really

44:27

a man home video for

44:29

next party

44:49

didn't know or bangers

44:52

it safer

45:03

like was like a little

45:06

less

45:13

that one our doesn't

45:15

grant

45:27

thou

45:33

the

45:41

how

45:45

the world where jabbar to save exactly

45:52

they had any kind of taxing

45:56

many my friends were

45:59

reversed

46:33

those are in fact his house fire those

46:37

is any of our evidence that we have an effect

46:39

you been involved been involved

46:50

her honey with the her house wildfires

46:53

next house for her

46:57

hello hydro over there hobbies

47:00

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