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voice at wehearyouraredisease.com. Hello

1:03

everybody and welcome back to Truth and Justice.

1:06

For this week's episode, this is really just a fun

1:08

one. You can consider this just a bonus episode.

1:11

Today I sat down with friends of the

1:13

show, Katie and Kimberly from the Date with

1:15

Dateline podcast. They just got back from CrimeCon

1:18

and they were the People's Choice winners of

1:20

the Creators of the Year award. I just

1:23

want to give any of you a heads up that

1:25

are looking to hear about a case or anything serious.

1:27

That's not what this episode is. Really, it's just me

1:29

catching up with Katie and Kimberly. This

1:31

episode is a lot of fun. It's a

1:33

nice palate cleanser before we get into moving

1:36

into our new season. So if you're just

1:38

looking for a fun lesson, this one's for

1:40

you. If you're looking for a serious deep

1:42

dive into anything, that's not this episode. With

1:44

that being said, enjoy. Here's Katie and Kimberly.

1:47

I'm a little starstruck today. Why?

1:51

Well, because... What are you

1:53

holding, Katie? Why

1:55

are you starstruck? Is it this thing that

1:58

weighs 5,000 pounds? for

2:01

those of you that are just listening

2:03

and not watching, Katie is holding up

2:05

their clue, hold

2:07

it up a little closer so I can read it, the Clue

2:10

Awards People's Choice Creator

2:12

of the Year Award that

2:16

these two young ladies won at PrimeCon

2:18

this year, chosen by you all, the

2:20

listeners. And I prepared,

2:24

first of all, I prepared your introduction based

2:27

on our text messaging conversation. I'm just kind of

2:29

going through, because Katie was very

2:32

clear about how she wanted to be introduced.

2:34

What sort of fanfare was expected

2:36

now? Yes, so it says that

2:38

you definitely insist on being, okay,

2:40

here, now

2:43

announcing the award-winning podcast,

2:46

A Date with Dateline, the queens of

2:48

true crime, hosts of

2:50

the award-winning podcast. Please welcome creators of the year,

2:53

Katie and Kimberly, big round of applause. Woo

2:55

hoo, where are the trumpets? I thought they were gonna be

2:57

trumpets. Oh, I forgot about the trumpets. Yeah,

3:00

I'll add trumpets in. We'll add trumpets in in

3:02

post. We'll make sure that the trumpets get

3:04

in there. Congratulations, ladies. Thank you. They're

3:08

shocking. Katie, you just, or Kimberly, you just

3:10

saved me 10 minutes of editing by doing that. There's

3:12

your trumpets. There it was. So

3:16

fun, so far, so, you know, we done, these

3:20

two award-winning amazing

3:23

creators of the year have

3:25

been traveling, well, not Katie, Katie just went

3:27

straight to bed right after crime comes over.

3:30

Kimberly lived in an airport for a little

3:32

while. So

3:34

she's a little bit tired. So we didn't

3:36

prepare a case to talk about. I just wanted, as anybody

3:39

that's been listening for a long time, you know that

3:41

I love these ladies. They've been longtime friends. I have

3:43

all the way back from season nine of Truth and

3:45

Justice and the true crime binge. And

3:47

here we are again. So I genuinely, I reached

3:49

out, I was so excited to see you guys

3:52

win that award. So how awesome was that?

3:56

Shocking, we're still in shock. Yeah,

3:58

it was weird. It's still a little weird. We were nominated

4:00

last year and we were 100% sure

4:02

that people thought they were voting for Dateline, that

4:05

it was a huge mistake. We emailed,

4:07

Kimberly emailed. I did. And

4:09

said, are you sure? They did not think

4:11

we were Dateline. And they said, no, no.

4:14

And then it happened again this

4:16

year. And I thought, this is embarrassing. It

4:18

happened again. The mistake happened again. Then

4:21

we won and then people were clapping and

4:23

that was weird. Also

4:26

like true crime garage was in our

4:28

category, like big podcasts. So

4:31

that's just, it's

4:33

all weird, very uncomfortable. Neither one of

4:35

us like all

4:37

of, I'm guessing. Should

4:40

we be thanking Bob for staying home? I

4:42

think we should just thank you for

4:44

not coming and allowing us to win.

4:46

Yeah. Cause clearly I would have, I would

4:48

have swept the, uh, I would have

4:50

swept the awards had I showed up, but

4:52

you know, I decided, you know, let the

4:55

little people have their day. You know, no,

4:57

I was genuinely like, I saw the lineup

4:59

for it. And, and I

5:01

don't want to, like one of the podcasts that

5:04

was up against you guys are friends of mine.

5:06

One of them is not, but

5:09

either one of them, I wanted you guys to win. But

5:11

there were five in the category. So

5:15

two you are ambivalent about. Yeah.

5:17

Well, I don't know who the other two are and not now I'm

5:19

at the point where if I named names, then it's going to, I

5:22

mean, all my listeners know who I'm talking about. I

5:24

know you guys have been keeping up on all

5:27

the episodes of truth and justice, but I kind

5:29

of did. I know, I know who you're, I

5:31

keep up on the gossip. Yeah. Yeah.

5:35

So, uh, I'm an old school fan season one. Don't

5:37

forget. I was there. I almost called

5:39

in. It was like the only time I've ever almost called in

5:41

cause you're like, call in with this and this. And I was

5:43

like, should I do it? Should I do? I

5:45

never did. You could have been friends so much

5:48

earlier. I had some, I had a wacky theory

5:50

on something and that, yeah, I wish I could

5:52

really, really remember what it was. Should have written

5:54

it down. You don't remember cause now I

5:57

want to know what it is. You ever covered. It was

5:59

on, um, Aids case? On

6:01

who's? Copy. Who'd

6:04

you say? Lifelong fan. Yeah, Ed

6:06

Aids. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, sorry,

6:08

I heard something else. I was like, what? Yeah,

6:10

I thought, I heard you say I'm on that

6:12

Aids case. And I was like, someone

6:15

have Aids? I don't think so. I don't think anyone

6:17

had Aids in that. Yes, Ed Aids. And

6:20

it was something about a phone call that

6:22

had happened. She was on the phone and

6:24

I had a whole, anyways, we'll talk later.

6:26

Oh yeah, that was the whole

6:28

thing where her friend Kubia called

6:30

Elnor the victim. And she said, I'm

6:32

sitting here talking to Edward, which

6:35

has been a baffling part of that case since we did it.

6:38

So now I wanna know what your theory is. And it's a shame I had a

6:40

really good theory on it. I can't remember. You probably had it figured out and you

6:42

were too shy to call. No. Way

6:45

too shy. Way too shy. Podcastors of the year,

6:47

creators of the year. Stop.

6:51

Crazy. It's hard. Who were

6:53

the other two? So I know it

6:55

was the prosecutors, there was True Crime

6:57

Garage. Who were the other? Crime Weekly.

7:00

Crime Weekly, okay. And,

7:04

oh, Body Bags. I'm not familiar

7:06

with that one. I

7:08

think he's pretty popular. I'm sure. He

7:11

had a lot of people at his booth. Yeah,

7:13

I'm sure he is. My

7:15

audience knows me saying that I'm not familiar with it means

7:17

nothing because I don't listen to True Crime. I

7:20

don't even. Yeah, at all. So I don't know

7:22

most of those. Katie, is Body

7:24

Bags a big deal? I

7:27

haven't listened to Body Bags yet. Of course you have.

7:29

You're the creator of the year. Why would you be

7:31

listening to this? Oh brother. But I've been, but

7:33

I'm pretty much just stuck on Dateline and

7:36

then been watching a

7:38

lot of True Crime stuff on YouTube. You on

7:40

YouTube yet? We're on YouTube right

7:42

now. I mean, are you on YouTube

7:44

regularly? Like watching YouTube? He's

7:47

on. Oh, like are you doing your

7:49

show live on YouTube? This is what I'm telling

7:51

you, Katie. Right now you are on

7:53

YouTube on my show. I

7:56

really should have brushed my hair. Really?

8:01

Really? We're going to do a few things differently here.

8:04

All right. Did we stress that

8:06

we just came back from CrimeCon and we're very

8:08

tired? Right, yeah, yeah. And it was very

8:10

last minute. Yeah, so no, we've started doing it.

8:12

It's been a really cool shift for us, like

8:14

to, because you know, we have, everything's

8:17

crowdsource for us, so we connect a lot with our

8:20

audience. And it was, I don't know, maybe, we

8:23

started doing for our patrons years ago, where we

8:25

would do like a behind the scenes, video

8:28

version of our follow-up. But

8:30

we just taped it in the house with all these cameras

8:33

and then we would just put that out for them on

8:35

Fridays. And then when

8:38

we went remote, we started trying to figure out all

8:40

the ways. So then we started like recording like through

8:42

Zoom and StreamYard and stuff. And then we realized like,

8:44

well, we could just, on StreamYard,

8:46

we could just flip the switch and people

8:49

could actually join us live for the conversation.

8:51

We've been doing the follow-ups

8:53

live now for about two

8:56

years, I think. That's very

8:58

cool. I joined a couple, but had

9:00

no idea what you were talking about, because I don't

9:02

follow the cases. I loved

9:05

just watching you guys talk. If

9:07

you, listen, if you

9:09

join any of them anytime lately, I also don't

9:11

know what I'm talking about. We've been,

9:13

we were between seasons, like I mean, we're right on,

9:15

like, we're like two weeks away from launching into our

9:17

next case. So like, I'm buried

9:20

in that case. I also started teaching part-time. I'm

9:22

teaching broadcasting at our local high school. I kind

9:24

of got roped into that. Yeah, it's, I love

9:26

it. I absolutely love it, but it's like- That's

9:28

cool. But it's like, you know, that's a time

9:31

suck on top of it. And

9:33

then we're prepping for this next case. And

9:35

then on Sunday, my daughter just graduated

9:37

high school. That's so exciting.

9:40

Yeah, so it's- That's amazing.

9:42

And neither of you have children, correct? We're

9:45

childless. I have a lot of cats, remember,

9:47

which don't. I know they don't count. I'm

9:49

not that bad. I know they don't. We

9:51

can count them if one of them graduates.

9:54

Well, when your cats- None of them are anywhere close

9:56

to getting a degree. Yeah, when your cats turn 18,

9:59

you'll see that- that like graduation time

10:01

is, and I'm sure my audience is tired

10:03

of hearing me bitch about this, I'm not

10:05

bitching about it. So like everything's awesome, like

10:07

these are all great things that we do,

10:10

but it's so much,

10:12

it's every day. It's like there's an award

10:14

ceremony and my daughter plays softball too, so

10:16

then it's like the district tournament softball and

10:18

the award ceremony for softball and then the

10:20

graduation rehearsal and then the graduation parties and

10:22

then the actual graduation and then they're just

10:24

like, so it's just like every single

10:26

day. Meanwhile, I'm

10:29

also teaching at a high school and they

10:32

have all our end of the year graduation stuff

10:35

that was like staggered one week from my daughter's school.

10:37

They got out a week earlier, so there was like,

10:39

I have to go to that graduation and that rehearsal

10:41

and all that stuff. So it was like for the

10:43

last like three weeks, yeah, literally

10:45

yesterday. Oh, non-stop. Yeah, I sat down to

10:47

do the follow-up last night and I was

10:49

live and we got done

10:51

and I talked for 40 minutes. I

10:53

have no idea what I was talking, I don't know what I even said. Don't

10:56

have a clue. I heard our speech at Crab

10:58

Gun. Yeah, we've had a

11:01

fact not to watch it because we heard

11:03

it was good and that's all

11:05

we need to know. I heard it was fine.

11:07

What did we do? It

11:09

was good. I heard

11:12

it was acceptable. What did the kids do

11:15

for graduation? Like we had a weird thing

11:17

that was like an overnight, like to keep

11:19

the kids safe. Do they

11:21

still do that? Yeah, so the

11:23

school I teach at does that and

11:26

that's like a national program, it's called Project Graduation.

11:28

I think that's the name of the program, that's what we call

11:31

it. But yeah, so the school I teach

11:33

at that was, and I remember when I was a

11:35

fireman, Project Graduation always ended at

11:37

the fire station. We served them pancakes. But

11:40

it'd be like after graduation, they have like an

11:42

hour to go change and then they like get

11:44

on a bus and then they like take them

11:46

and do fun stuff. I'll type

11:48

in and then they would end, it goes on all

11:50

night long and then it would end. Back then, the

11:53

last stop would be at the fire station. We'd be all set up

11:55

for them and we would do like a huge pancake breakfast for the

11:57

whole senior class and then they would go

11:59

about their business. The idea behind it

12:01

was like you were saying, Kimberly, it's years

12:05

and years and years ago, they were looking at

12:07

statistics of how many kids get in drunk driving

12:09

accidents and get killed on graduation nights. And

12:11

so they created this thing for students

12:14

to do. And they love it.

12:17

I actually hired one of my students, she

12:19

just started this week, that

12:21

just graduated. She's researching and writing. She's an animal.

12:23

She's awesome. When you guys are listening to all

12:26

of our episodes, you'll know those were researched

12:29

and written by Erica, because you listen to

12:31

them all. Yes. Yeah.

12:34

I will start. But she was telling me, but they picked them

12:36

up and they took

12:38

them to this huge sports complex where

12:41

they had crafting and they were playing volleyball

12:43

and doing all this stuff. Yeah,

12:45

we had a magician and then this

12:48

weird booth where you could get fake

12:50

married, which I don't, looking back, it's

12:52

very strange. Fake married? Yeah, and games,

12:55

like an arcade. I don't know. Did

12:58

you get fake married? Yeah,

13:00

I think to a friend, I

13:02

think a group of us got fake married. Are you sure

13:05

it's fake? Yeah, that's what

13:07

I'm- I'm now wondering, am I legally married

13:09

somewhere? Yeah, you might be. I

13:11

might be. I need to look into that. That feels

13:13

like a lawsuit. I don't know.

13:15

It really does. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm really

13:18

trying to fly through it, how weird that

13:20

was. Yeah, and it started, I forgot when

13:22

you reminded me when you said magician. So

13:24

their first stop was at our local comedy

13:26

club. They stopped at the

13:28

comedy club and they had two or three comics

13:30

do a set for them. Then they

13:33

went to the sports complex. The crafting thing seems weird for me

13:35

too, but it made sense when it was explained to me that

13:37

a bunch of the kids wanted to play

13:39

basketball and play volleyball and stuff, but the kids that

13:41

didn't want to do, didn't want to

13:44

play sports, they had a spot where they were like-

13:46

They didn't like me. Yeah, Kimberly, you

13:48

sounded appalled by the idea, Katie, but you can

13:50

see Kimberly at the crafting booth. Yeah,

13:53

making- Yeah, I'm just trying to picture what kind of

13:55

crafts. You can make t-shirts like for

13:57

the night or- For the night. Like,

14:00

are you like, like,

14:02

sorry, we're Kimberly and I are also theater kids.

14:04

So my mind's going in a bunch of different

14:07

directions here. So I'm trying to like camp. And

14:09

if I went to the land, yeah. Okay.

14:14

All right. Yeah. I know. I think they

14:16

were making Harry Potter cross stitches. That's

14:19

it. That's what the real cool

14:21

kids do. I

14:24

don't have any right now. Right now.

14:26

I said, are you impressed at my, my

14:28

recall from like two years ago? Is it

14:31

you saying you read Harry Potter

14:33

drunk, crying outside in

14:35

your backyard, like wailing

14:37

to yourself. When Dumbledore died.

14:40

Yes. Dumbledore died. I'll give

14:42

you one better. Okay. If you haven't

14:44

done this already, um, Bob,

14:46

you need to go on YouTube and

14:48

watch reaction videos for when Harry finds

14:51

out about Snape.

14:53

No spoilers, but go watch

14:55

reaction to being in the PNC. Or

14:59

the pit pensive, whatever it's called. I've always

15:02

pronounced it wrong. Do you know what I'm

15:04

talking about? That in the books and movies

15:06

go watch. And they have these conglomerations of

15:08

people reacting to that. It's, it's

15:10

very enjoyable. Like when he finds out that the

15:12

good guy. Yeah. Katie has

15:14

been in a reaction video. Like, she's like, go

15:17

watch the reaction videos to the end of seven.

15:19

So it's a bunch of very young people who

15:21

have never seen the movie seven or the sixth

15:23

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18:00

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18:11

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18:15

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18:18

said, so she's reading the trial transcripts right now, right? This

18:21

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18:23

we were going out on Friday, we're

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going to, we have to go to like the police department at the

18:29

DA's office, we're going to interview some people. And I was like, we'll

18:31

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18:33

good cop and you be the bad cop. Like I'll

18:35

be nice. And then you come in and go, you

18:37

can't handle the truth. And she looked

18:39

at me like it was a fucking Martian. Oh

18:42

no. I was like, what? She's

18:45

like, what are you talking about? What does that

18:47

mean? I made this reaction video to that scene. You

18:50

need to, you need to do, you need

18:53

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18:55

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18:57

got to know that, right? No,

18:59

I'll feel a hundred. This is everything. There

19:02

was multiple occurrences. This shit happens to

19:04

me all the time. I

19:08

was telling her the other day about when I first

19:10

went out to LA when we were going to shoot

19:12

the documentary, like my first day, it's kind of funny

19:14

story. Like, so I never, I'm a little country bumpkin

19:16

from Michigan and you know, John

19:18

Cryer was my producer. So like that was crazy

19:21

already. And then he flies me out

19:23

to LA, sets me up in this hotel. And

19:25

it's like my first moments in LA, I get to the

19:27

hotel and John texts me and

19:29

he's like, hey, you want to go out and grab some sushi? And

19:32

I'm like, yeah, cool, man. I'm just gonna go grab

19:34

sushi with Ducky. That's fine. Like I was trying to

19:36

play it cool, you know? But I was freaking out.

19:39

And then, so then he texts me. He's like,

19:41

I'm downstairs and it's dark out. And

19:43

I go down the stairs. And when I got in

19:45

the elevator, and when I walked out of the elevator,

19:47

I was like, did fucking Kato Kaitlin just walk in

19:49

that elevator? Like when I

19:51

came out, I was like that, I

19:54

think that was Kato, like this can't, like, is this what

19:56

LA is like? That's fucking crazy.

19:58

Yeah. She doesn't know who

20:00

Kato Kaitlin is. I do know exactly who Kato

20:03

Kaitlin is. No, I heard the girl. So

20:06

that was thing one. I'm

20:08

telling that story and she just looks at me like, I'm

20:11

like, Kato Kaitlin. And

20:13

she's like, what are you talking about? And

20:15

I'm like, OJ

20:17

Simpson? She's like, yeah. I'm like, you know

20:19

who he is? She's like,

20:21

uh. I'm upset. Yeah, he murdered his wife,

20:23

right? That was the whole,

20:26

because it was just in the news recently, you know, when

20:28

he died. Yeah, and I'm like, like Kato Kaitlin was like

20:30

a big, and then you're just like, how much, how far

20:32

do I want to go down this? So I'm just like,

20:34

okay, enough. Just, just know that

20:36

that was a weird thing to see Kato Kaitlin,

20:39

but I wasn't sure. And then I go outside

20:41

and then I walk out in this

20:43

dark and I see off in the corner, there's

20:46

two guys standing there and I

20:48

hear Ducky talking. Like,

20:50

he has a very dista, I can't see, but I

20:52

hear like the voice of someone talking. And I'm like,

20:55

that, and really for me, I mean, he's

20:58

Ducky for everyone, right? But he's Alan Harper

21:00

for me. You know,

21:02

from two and a half, but I hear the voice, I'm like, shit,

21:04

that's John. Okay, and walk over there and I

21:06

hear, hey Bob, come on over. And

21:08

I walk over and he's talking to this dude

21:10

and he's like, Bob, man, good to meet you.

21:12

Hey, this is my buddy Ryan. I'm like, what's

21:14

up Ryan? Is Ryan goddamn Styles? You

21:17

guys know who I'm- Who's Ryan Styles? Do I know who that

21:19

is? Who's Lion? Who's Lion is it

21:21

anyway? He was also in Two and a Half Men. He

21:24

was on the Drew Carey show. Big

21:26

Tom Ryan. Yeah. Yes, of course

21:28

I know who he is. Oh my God. Like I've

21:30

been like out, like once I'm like settled into my

21:33

hotel for five minutes, I ran into Kato Kale in

21:35

the elevator. I just met John Cryer who introduced me

21:37

to his buddy Ryan. And when I shake his hand,

21:39

it's Ryan. And I'm a big, I was a huge

21:41

Ryan Styles fan from whose line is it anyway? That

21:44

should, yeah. I watched some old stuff on that the

21:46

other day. It was fun. Yeah, and so I'm like,

21:48

oh, hey, hey, hey. So

21:51

like, I'm telling you that she doesn't know who Ducky is. She

21:54

doesn't know who Alan Harper is. Like

21:56

I had to, I took her in here into the studio and showed her

21:58

the picture of me. I'm like him. Like

22:01

me and John, that's him. And

22:04

she's like, nope, nothing, not a

22:06

thing, nothing. And then- You

22:08

don't have to let her go. She seems lovely, but

22:10

for your own health, your

22:14

mental health, you might need to be like,

22:16

I'm gonna need someone older.

22:19

I don't want you to feel vulnerable. It's bad because

22:21

the thing is on top, like there's some of it

22:23

is that huge age difference with

22:25

her and then there's also part of it that

22:28

she's got a little bit of asshole. You know what

22:30

I mean? Like there's a good chance

22:32

she knows exactly who Ducky is. And she just- She's

22:34

messing with you. Oh, that's even better. Okay, you have

22:36

to keep her. Change her mind,

22:39

change her mind. Yeah, but

22:41

that was so the, yeah, and saw him like Ryan

22:43

Stiles. I'm trying to explain to her what Ryan Stiles

22:45

is. She has no idea. She's bored with the story,

22:47

but now I'm in too deep. So I got to

22:50

continue on with it. Oh no. Yeah,

22:52

I just keep going. I keep going hard because

22:54

the end of the story was, Ryan then

22:57

introduces himself to me and we talked for a

22:59

second and then him and John are talking. And

23:01

then John's like, well, where are you headed? And

23:03

he said that I'm going to go

23:05

find a place to eat because fucking

23:07

Kato Kaitlin won't stop pitching TV shows

23:09

to me in there. So

23:13

it was Kato Kaitlin. Who's

23:15

pitching TV shows. Yeah, he was pitching TV show

23:18

ideas to Ryan while he was trying to have

23:20

a drink at the bar. I

23:22

have so many questions. That's it.

23:25

That's a wonderful series of events. That's really

23:27

good. It really was. And so,

23:29

and the worst part is I just keep doubling down.

23:33

So like, I'm like,

23:35

no, there's gotta be, like I'm gonna

23:38

impress you with a story. Like when her folks

23:40

came out here to the office, like they were

23:42

impressed. They came in and I'm like, look, there's

23:44

me with John, with

23:46

Mark Harmon. And they're like, oh, and she's just

23:48

like, what? I don't know. Who's that? You

23:51

need to find the equivalent, whatever her

23:54

generation. There needs to be an online

23:56

source where you can, like, you know, when

23:58

you put in Google, like you put in the English

24:00

phrase and then it comes up in Spanish. So you

24:02

need to be able to put in Mark

24:04

Harmon and then it comes

24:07

up whatever John sees, Timothy

24:10

Chalamet, whatever. And then that

24:12

should be like, oh. I

24:16

get it. Yeah. So then I get at least

24:18

socially understand what I'm talking about. Because

24:21

I feel like interns and young people just

24:23

are there to make us feel bad about

24:25

ourselves. And that shouldn't be the case. But

24:27

every time I've had an intern at my

24:29

office, I was like, all

24:31

you're doing when they when you said I

24:33

said Madonna and you said, oh,

24:36

that old singer lady. I

24:41

love Katie's face. That

24:43

old singer lady. Yeah. Yeah.

24:46

I mean, I'm not sure what Madonna is doing. Don't

24:48

come for me in the chat. This was like it's

24:50

not about share or problems. Yeah.

24:52

OK. Yeah. Yeah.

24:56

So other experiences I had living

24:58

in, listen, I was

25:00

trying so hard to

25:02

like make her understand that that I'm

25:04

pretty cool. And I've know some

25:06

cool people. You've done stuff. That's

25:08

not something is someone older trying to

25:10

convince someone younger that they're cool. So

25:12

I told her, again,

25:15

true story, that

25:18

I was I was sitting at

25:20

the bar and I was explaining that like I

25:22

always when I'm traveling alone, I always eat at the

25:24

bar because I have a I have a I

25:26

have a thing about sitting at a restaurant by

25:28

myself. Like I'm just like I'm too self-conscious about I

25:30

can't sit at a table at a restaurant by

25:32

myself. I can't even do a bar, but

25:34

like sit at the bar by myself. I don't

25:37

want people to see me eat period. But like

25:39

that's my own issues. But like, no,

25:41

how do you even sit at the bar? Do you go

25:43

on your phone? I'm I'm no. Well,

25:45

that's the problem. I'm not

25:47

a phone person. So like if I if I was

25:49

a phone person like normal people, I

25:52

would sit at a table and eat because I would because I

25:54

look at them and they're all just sitting there just looking at

25:56

it. I don't know what they're looking at because there's nothing on

25:58

my phone I want to look at. So

26:01

I don't know what they're looking at. And I've tried it.

26:03

I'll sit there and be like, okay, I

26:05

have Facebook. Let me, I don't care. Why do

26:07

I want to know what you're eating? I don't

26:09

know. Thank you. And then I'm done. Like I

26:12

don't want to look at it. Like download Hulu on

26:14

your phone and then watch TV. That seems

26:16

too far. Like that seems like, that seems like

26:18

crazy to me to like, sit at a table

26:20

and just like, I'm just watching a movie. What's

26:22

up guys. So, but I'm,

26:24

I'm, I'm kind of like, when I, especially I'm

26:26

in a nervous situation, I can be pretty outgoing.

26:29

I usually just start running my mouth. So usually

26:31

if I sit at a bar, then

26:33

I can, I can usually like become buddies

26:35

with the bartender. Sure. And

26:38

then I feel like I'm having dinner with a buddy. Okay.

26:41

You know, having a drink. And they

26:43

like this or do they feel like I'm just

26:45

trying to do my job, man. Just like, leave

26:48

me alone. I sniff that shit out pretty quick. Cause

26:51

the latter happens often. That particular place,

26:54

it's the shout out to the hotel

26:56

on Murano in Burbank. Do

26:58

you guys are familiar with the place? I

27:00

live in Burbank. Yeah. So

27:03

you know, you know the hotel on Murano. Yeah.

27:05

Where's the hotel on Murano? It's

27:08

right across from that grocery store. What's it

27:10

called? Pavilion's. No.

27:14

You live there. Bonds. Bonds, right

27:16

across the street from bonds. Yeah.

27:20

It's on, I can't remember the name of the road that it's on. Pass Ave.

27:22

Yes. Okay. I

27:25

got it. By the way, listeners, if you're listening

27:27

to this, I'm going to have to put an intro into this

27:29

at the beginning and be like, Hey, if you thought you were

27:31

going to hear anything important, you're not. That I'm just, I'm just,

27:33

I haven't talked to my friends for a little bit and they

27:36

just want to rise. So I wanted to have mine and chat.

27:38

That's what's happening here. This is very important stuff. This is really

27:40

good. Yeah. Keep going. But you're

27:42

at the hotel talk and you found a friend. Yeah. I

27:45

found a friend, his name's Norm. So Kimberly, if you ever want to go have

27:47

a drink, go. Norm, he's been

27:49

down there now. And then go meet

27:51

Norm. What's today? Today's Wednesday. Norm

27:53

will be there today. It doesn't work on Thursdays,

27:57

but yeah, Norm and I. I

28:01

should point out, eventually the show

28:03

got bought and we made the

28:05

show and then therefore I was

28:07

living about 60% of

28:10

the time in LA for three months

28:13

and I always stayed at that place. So I got

28:15

to meet Norm, got to like, we in Norm would

28:17

go out for pizza after a shift like after a

28:19

while, like we literally became buddies, yeah. But

28:22

I see- Okay, so he's coming to your daughter's graduation,

28:24

like your best friend. Probably should have sent

28:26

him an invite, yeah. But no,

28:28

it's crazy. It's so nice to meet

28:30

him. I'm glad I had you guys on so everybody could hear all this

28:32

stuff about you. We

28:35

have nothing interesting. I had nothing to- We got a

28:38

big heavy award, that's what happened. Yeah, we're gonna talk

28:40

about crime crime, we're gonna talk about it, blah, blah, blah,

28:42

blah, blah. But anyway, me, let's talk about me. Yes,

28:45

what happened with Norm? Well, I'd be there, so like

28:47

once I got to be like chummy with Norm, I

28:49

was like when they would book me to come back

28:51

out, they would book me other places, I'm like, no,

28:53

like literally in my contract, I stay at the Hotel

28:55

Omerano, that's where I stay. That's

28:58

my place, because I'm weird like that.

29:00

I seem very outgoing, but you send

29:02

me into a restaurant with, no,

29:04

thank you, I need people, I'm a people

29:07

person. I understand, yeah. But

29:09

so every night, that's where I had dinner. Every single night,

29:11

I would go down, they had pretty good food there, I

29:14

would go have a glass of bourbon, have

29:16

dinner, shoot the shit with Norm. And

29:20

then it got to be, there were some regulars, it's weird

29:22

because it's a hotel bar, but there are regulars that go

29:24

there all the time. Another crazy story, so first

29:26

of all, this is when I was trying to explain to her

29:28

how cool I was, since she didn't

29:30

care about John Carr, didn't care about Kato Kaitlin,

29:32

didn't care about Ryan Stiles, none of that helped

29:35

at all. She didn't know what you can't handle

29:37

the truth means, so we're moving on, and

29:39

I was like, do you know, do

29:41

you know like, she puts

29:43

the lotion in the basket? And

29:47

she's like, Goodbye horses. Yeah,

29:50

uh-huh, sorry. Yeah, and she's like, I've

29:53

seen a meme about that, and I'm like, probably, that meme,

29:55

that meme, do you know where that came from? She's like,

29:57

I don't know, like, She

30:00

doesn't know Silence of the Lambs. And I said, Silence of

30:02

the Lambs, she goes, oh, I've never seen it, but isn't

30:04

that like, I know the story, I think she might, she's

30:06

a big reader, she might've read like a book about it

30:08

or that book, maybe, if I don't know if it was

30:10

a book. That book is terrifying, don't read that book, but

30:12

it's so much scarier than the movie. But did

30:14

she know who Buffalo Bill was? Like when you

30:16

said Buffalo Bill. Or he had a collector. No,

30:19

what she said was, wasn't that the guy

30:21

that was like in the prison and he

30:23

was like, and then there was like

30:25

somebody was eating, and then she figured out, she said, wait,

30:27

there was two guys, one was in the prison, but it

30:29

was helping her catch the other one. She

30:32

got there. Yeah, she got there. I'm sure she probably read

30:34

the book and not saw the movie, but she got there

30:36

a little bit. I'm like, so, the one that was outside

30:38

is, he would say like, she

30:40

puts the lotion in the basket, had a creepy voice,

30:42

well, one day I'm sitting at the bar talking to

30:45

Norm, and from right behind me, I hear, I would

30:47

like some spaghetti sent to my room. And

30:50

like, and this is a true story, came

30:52

up behind me, that boy, that's

30:54

all he said, I'd like some spaghetti sent to my

30:56

room, and I went, oh, like, like

30:59

I knew the voice immediately, and then Norm's like,

31:02

you gotta, you gotta get room

31:04

services, I want you to send, I'm

31:06

saying it like, he's, like he spoke in normal human English.

31:08

I'm afraid to start it. But it was that. But it

31:10

was that voice. Like timber. But it was super weird, because

31:12

he was like, no, yeah, I want you to send the

31:16

spaghetti to my room. And he's like,

31:18

I serve the bar, dude, you gotta,

31:21

you have to order spaghetti through the room service if

31:23

you wanted to go to your room. And

31:26

then, and then he, you know, he

31:28

wanders away. And

31:30

then, no. I don't like any part of that. Why

31:32

did you want the spaghetti? I don't like, yeah. No.

31:35

Yeti is worse. And then Norm was like,

31:37

that guy's such a dick, he always fucking does that. And I'm

31:39

like, I'm like, dude, he sounds just like

31:41

the dude from Silence of the Life. He goes, it was the

31:43

dude from Silence of the Life. And I like looked right as

31:45

he was walking around, and it was, yeah, that was him. He's

31:48

staying there, he stays there all the time. And then he, yeah.

31:51

I dressed as the girl in the well,

31:53

the senator's daughter for Halloween, several years in

31:55

a row, because it's a very easy costume.

31:58

I have an inappropriate picture of Buffalo. Bill

32:00

appears. Yes. Yes.

32:03

So you would have, uh, you guys would have really, you would

32:05

have been impressed. You're I can see you're impressed right now. Uh,

32:08

I'm very impressed. Yeah. Anyone from

32:10

silence of the lamps. Yeah. Anyone.

32:12

I worked in Hollywood for 12 years.

32:14

I met a lot of celebrities. Kimberly

32:16

stories are always like, these are better

32:18

than that. No like these are

32:20

better. Like I get more excited

32:22

about the very weird people. Like it's much

32:25

more fun. Well, they're always on the real

32:27

world. I get way more excited. The

32:29

problem with me is I'm so terrible with pop

32:31

culture. Like I don't even know who, like I

32:34

usually don't know who I'm talking to. Like

32:36

this, somebody in the chat was, uh, was

32:38

saying that I need to tell the story about, have

32:40

you guys heard the story about me? Big Leaguing Idris

32:42

Alba? No, I'm sorry. Oh

32:45

no. Oh no. I got, I got

32:47

to make it quick. I got to make it

32:49

quick because my audience has heard this and heard the story.

32:51

Skip ahead a couple of minutes. I don't, I mean, we're, somebody's

32:54

like, Bob runs a tight ship. Yep. This

32:57

is how you make a podcast. I was in London doing, I

32:59

was doing a speaking tour in the UK and so

33:01

we went all over, all over

33:08

the UK. No big deal. Sorry.

33:10

That's a, that's a cool path. I was just doing a speaking gauge.

33:13

Yeah. Whatever they, I didn't get enough.

33:15

I didn't get a fucking award for it or whatever, but, uh,

33:18

I just did it. Um, it's pretty

33:20

cool. Yeah. My

33:23

last stop was in London and I, and I performed

33:25

spoke at this place in Notting Hill area and I

33:27

like do the speech and every one of them, like

33:29

I would do my whole presentation and then everybody would

33:31

have like a meet and greet. Usually we'd like meet

33:33

up like at the bar at the venue and I

33:35

would like take pictures and stuff like that. Like you

33:37

do a place, things like that. Like you guys just

33:39

did a crime con, you know, take

33:41

pictures with people. Uh, That's

33:44

in Nashville, not in London. London is

33:46

infinitely cooler. Was it in the winter? Was it?

33:49

It was, it was December. Yeah. Oh,

33:51

all right. Keep going. Sorry.

33:54

So anyway, we get done at this last place and we're

33:56

Notting Hill and they, and apparently there's like all these like

33:58

noise restrictions in there. So like we get done. I come

34:00

off stage and I tell everybody, all right, everybody wants

34:02

to meet up in the bar, we'll do a little meet and greet, everybody

34:04

wants to take pictures or whatever. And then

34:07

like the, not the people that

34:09

hired me, but the people that run the venue were like,

34:11

no, you guys, it's nine o'clock, you guys have to get

34:13

out of here. Like we can't

34:15

have anybody in here after nine o'clock. Cause it was

34:17

like in a historic, there was some deal, it was

34:19

like for this building and this place. Noise.

34:21

Noise has to be done nine o'clock.

34:24

And so a few people were like, let's

34:27

go down, there's a pub two blocks down or whatever,

34:29

let's all go meet in this pub. And

34:32

this is like a few days before Christmas. And

34:35

I wish I could remember there's a certain song,

34:37

it's not really relevant to the story, but there's a song

34:39

like in the UK, they always like all sing during Christmas.

34:41

And I can't, somebody who's coming to the channel know it.

34:45

But they were there over and over again. Like we go to, we

34:48

walk down the street to this pub and

34:50

I get there and, you know, I

34:52

don't want to be alone in a restaurant. You know what else I

34:55

don't want to be is in the middle of a giant pack of

34:57

shoulder to shoulder people, I don't do crowds either. So

35:00

we go to walk in and it's

35:03

just slam packed and they're all

35:05

drunk and singing and having a

35:07

good time. And the event

35:09

organizer was like, there's a room in the back, I

35:11

talked to them. I'm gonna have everybody slide

35:13

into the back so you can go back and take pictures. Because

35:15

like part of their like ticket they paid for was to like

35:17

get a picture or whatever. So

35:20

they're shuffling like a hundred people back

35:22

into this back room. And

35:24

I like look in and I'm freaking out because I don't

35:26

even want to be in that building. There's too many people

35:28

in there and I smoked then. So

35:30

I like lit a cigarette and I'm like standing outside

35:32

having a cigarette and this

35:35

drunken Englishman that had been at my show

35:37

comes running out and he says,

35:40

and you need to know that I don't know

35:42

this name. I don't know any, I don't know what's

35:44

happening. But he comes out and he's like,

35:46

and this dude like came down from Manchester so he

35:48

really couldn't understand him. And he's like, oh, there we

35:50

go. Yeah. He's like, oh, Blimey,

35:52

what, Andrew's album's in there. He wants to

35:54

take a picture with you, bro. How do you kind of go

35:56

and take a picture with Andrew's album? Like you're talking fucking nonsense

35:59

to me. And

36:01

he's just like, come on, come on, come on. What an Idris

36:03

Elba is. You think that maybe- What is an Idris Elba? Yeah,

36:05

what is an Idris Elba? Yeah, and I couldn't even make that

36:07

out. But even if I did, I wouldn't have known who it

36:09

was. He's a really tense boyfriend. Yeah, he's a

36:11

very handsome. And then you went in and saw

36:14

the world's most handsome man. My wife's too.

36:17

And you should know, this was

36:19

the month that he won Sexiest

36:22

Man Alive. So

36:25

most handsome and most sexy man. Yeah, he

36:27

was like Sexiest Man, People Magazine, Sexiest Man

36:29

Alive or something like that. So

36:32

this dude like drags me into this bar.

36:34

I don't wanna be in there. And I'm like, okay,

36:36

I gotta go. And I see the

36:38

Kayla, the event organizer in the back, like waving to me,

36:40

like back here is where everybody's at to take pictures. I'm

36:42

like, all right, I just need to get through this crowd

36:44

and get back there, take these pictures,

36:46

and get it over with. But this crazy

36:48

man is like dragging me to go see,

36:50

oh, hey, blah, you Idris Elba, blah, blah,

36:52

whatever. And then he like

36:55

pulls me over to what can

36:57

only be described as the most beautiful human I've

36:59

ever seen in my life. And

37:01

by the way, my wife is like tagging behind me. And

37:03

then one of the ladies that was on the, that

37:06

was like carding us around England or the UK was

37:08

with me too. And I

37:10

don't know this, they're pretty excited about the situation. I still

37:12

don't know what's happening. And they

37:14

like, he like pulls me through the crowd and

37:17

he's like, oh, here he is. And Idris

37:19

Elba, who I now know who he is, like

37:22

kind of breaks through the crowd, reaches out, shakes

37:25

my hand and goes, oh man, it's nice to meet you.

37:28

It should be noted as much as I want to brag about this, he

37:30

doesn't know who the fuck I am. He

37:33

doesn't? No, you say he

37:35

does, change the story. I don't know, I should

37:37

say this, I don't know. I suspect he doesn't. What

37:39

I believe happened was this guy's like, hey, cause he

37:41

did Luther, right? And they're like, you know, you're like

37:44

fight crime and stuff and then this guy does it,

37:46

you should. I think he was just being nice to

37:48

that guy is what was happening, I

37:50

think. But he was very nice.

37:52

Like I walked in and then when they

37:54

got his attention, he like through the crowd

37:56

comes out, shakes my hand, smiling that big,

37:59

beautiful smile. And it's like, buddy,

38:01

nice, nice to meet you. Let's

38:04

get a picture. And I said,

38:06

I will definitely do that,

38:09

buddy. But listen, I've got 100 people back

38:11

there that have been waiting in line. I've got to

38:13

take their picture first. I'll come back and I'll get

38:15

you after that. And I walked away.

38:17

At that moment, your wife said, grabbed

38:19

your arm. It was like trick or trick. She punched

38:21

me in the back and I. Yeah,

38:24

hard. Yeah, I didn't know.

38:26

And he's like, all right. And then I went back

38:28

and then I feel like literally someone hitting me in

38:30

the back. I'm like, what? And there's just all this.

38:32

I'm kind of in panic mode. I get to the

38:34

back room and that's all I hear is. Why

38:37

did you do that? What? I'm like,

38:39

what? I'm like, I'm being like,

38:41

that's not fair. All these people paid and they're

38:43

here waiting for me. I can't I'm not going

38:46

to stop. And like, do you know

38:48

who that is? I'm like, you know, I don't know who that

38:50

is. And then they said

38:52

it was Idris Alba. And I'm like, I

38:54

got nothing. And

38:57

then that's when my wife brought up

38:59

on her phone the Google image of

39:01

Idris Alba, sexiest man alive. And she's

39:03

like, that's who that was. You son of a

39:05

bitch. I want a divorce. Yeah,

39:08

no, that's an appropriate response. Yeah,

39:11

I'm retroactively mad. I

39:13

am very mad, but I also really want to know

39:16

if he knew who you were. And

39:18

I feel like she did. And I

39:20

were there. We're very good at reading facial

39:22

expressions. Like you've had a few people at

39:24

this crime that did not know. And we could tell

39:26

that they wanted to. That's happened to me. And many

39:28

a crime. Yeah, yeah. They wanted

39:30

a picture because they saw other people getting pictures.

39:33

But it's like, no, we are not on dateline.

39:35

If neither of us is any. Yeah,

39:38

I once had somebody talk to me for a half hour

39:40

and take a picture with me. And it wasn't until a

39:43

half hour into it that I realized they thought I was the

39:45

captain. Well, I mean,

39:47

many. You

39:50

talk about a slow burn dateline. You

39:52

talk about a slow burn. They

39:55

were. They're

39:58

fawning over me, Kimberly. So I. I

40:00

was just taking it all in. There

40:02

were no context clues. Nothing. It

40:05

was like, man, I love the show. You do such a

40:07

great job and I just love what you do. And then

40:09

they were just like, you know how sometimes they just want

40:11

to be like, we're your friends. And I'm like, that's cool.

40:13

We can be friends. Cause we're just, and like, we're just

40:15

having this conversation. And then she's like, I just, I

40:17

know you got other people waiting. There's, I got one just, just at

40:20

some point, can I like get your email address or something?

40:22

Cause I can talk to you about like doing like live

40:24

music. And when

40:26

she said that, I went, Oh

40:30

my God. Do you

40:32

think that I'm the captain? You said it.

40:34

Yeah. And her face went by the way,

40:37

Patrick is standing five feet away from me. Their

40:39

booth was right next to ours. Wow.

40:43

And unfortunately he heard

40:45

that and he's like, and

40:48

she's like, her face just goes, she's

40:50

like, you're not the captain. Oh

40:53

my. I'm like, I certainly am

40:55

not the captain. She's like, who are you?

40:57

And I said, I'm Bob rough. And she

40:59

said, Oh, never heard of you. And

41:02

then went over and took a picture with goddamn

41:04

captain. Never heard of

41:06

you. She said, I know I'm like, you didn't, you

41:08

didn't have to say there was, you didn't have to

41:10

say that. What was the purpose of you

41:13

saying that? I was so nice to you. You

41:15

asshole. She did not need

41:17

to say that. She was like, I would fake

41:19

it and then leave. I think both of you

41:21

should have played along. I think you should have

41:24

played along. Like we play along if people think

41:26

we're date line. When we

41:28

say that we'll consider doing that story. Yeah.

41:32

Yeah. Yeah. And it was a, it was a,

41:34

it was a fair mistake to make because our

41:36

booths are right next to each other. So like,

41:38

and right between our booth, like, like the side,

41:40

like where they're kind of together is where they

41:42

had their like true crime garage poster thing. And

41:44

I was standing next to Nick and

41:47

captain was on the other side

41:49

of the booth. So you see the true crime garage

41:51

thing. You see Nick standing

41:54

with me. I'm a big

41:56

tattooed bearded fella. Yeah.

42:00

She should have realized how much more handsome and

42:02

fit and tall and sexier than I am. That

42:04

was the next thing I was going to say.

42:06

Right. I mean, I mean, let's face it. Captain's

42:08

a mess. He's a disaster. I don't

42:10

even know how he gets out of bed in the morning. I

42:13

hope he listens to this. Love

42:15

you. Oh, he's probably still in bed

42:17

because we beat them in the... Let

42:19

me lift this up again. Maybe.

42:21

There it is. How heavy is that? It's

42:24

so heavy. It's unnecessarily heavy.

42:26

Yeah. It's made of... It

42:29

could kill you. I wish I could describe. I'm going

42:31

to weigh it. Yeah, weigh it. Yes. I kept

42:33

making people lift it the entire day the

42:35

next day because I felt like people wouldn't understand

42:38

until they tried to lift it how incredibly heavy.

42:40

I wanted everyone to hold it because if

42:43

it does get used as a weapon, now

42:45

everyone at CrimeCon is... DNA, fingerprints, everything

42:47

all over it. Yeah. It

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18 plus. You know

44:42

what really makes me jealous

44:44

is last week I took third place in a stand up comedy

44:46

contest. No big deal out

44:49

of how many? 32. But it's still,

44:52

but still it's third place.

44:54

Say that part that third.

44:56

That's still that's gonna be on

44:59

the comedy side. No big deal going on after that,

45:01

Rebecca's actually making a thumbs up in

45:03

Andi, do you love it, though? I throw it

45:08

away. Uh that's ridiculous. Don't be keep those. There they didn't

45:10

even say anything on and it was like a like something

45:13

bought up five below. Uh and then and then there

45:15

was a metal like a metal like like an

45:17

Olympic medal. There was also plastic that had a three another

45:22

Becky. My wife was cleaning up the other day.

45:24

And she's like. What

45:26

are you? What are you doing? And I was like, Oh,

45:28

I'm cleaning up the other one. I'm like, Oh,

45:30

I'm cleaning up the plastic metal. Shadowbox

45:33

build a trophy case and then it just

45:35

proudly. Sorry, it's

45:37

still you got third place. All those other people

45:39

didn't place. Listen, the only thing

45:42

I'll say it really. I don't I feel like they drew a name

45:44

out of a hat. I could have just as easy because in the

45:47

finals, there was eight of us. I feel like I could have been

45:49

eight because everybody was really good in the finals. But

45:51

but I was the only thing I said about third is three

45:53

of us.

45:56

So I was pretty happy. I feel like

45:58

I was on YouTube. It's

46:00

not on YouTube. It was at our local comedy club.

46:02

I've got, listen, I got stuff I can send you.

46:04

My whole hour that I do. That

46:07

is, yeah, we would like to see and judge

46:09

accordingly. That is- Predictions before you see it. How

46:11

many dick jokes do you think there are in

46:13

a 45 minute set? In a

46:15

45 minute set? Mm-hmm. Who's

46:18

your favorite comedian? No, stop. Who are your

46:20

top three comedians? Stand up comedians. I

46:23

like Tom Segura a lot. I'm

46:26

getting to like Shane Gillis. I like Burt

46:28

Kreischer. I like kind of that style storyteller

46:30

type. I'm

46:34

a storyteller for sure. Four. I

46:37

say 15. Four and 15. All

46:39

right, we'll see who wins. I'll send you guys a

46:41

link right after the show for you. He's a storyteller

46:43

though, Kimberly. It can't be like- He's a storyteller. So

46:45

if one story, if there's- That's what I'm gonna say

46:47

next time. Are you a podcaster?

46:49

I'm gonna go, I'm more

46:51

of a storyteller. Because that is

46:54

the most pretentious sounding shit I've ever heard.

46:57

I will give you $10 if you do that in

46:59

front of me. That is it. You can do that. But

47:01

I like storyteller comedians. That's a fun- I

47:03

do too. That's more pleasant to listen to

47:05

than just like sort of a hard hitting. That's not

47:07

as fun. It's more fun when you're invested in the

47:10

stories. Yeah, I don't know how to write jokes. I

47:12

literally don't. So like when I do my comedy, I

47:14

do, I take true stories and usually I'll

47:16

punch them up a little bit. And it's

47:18

a series of like, like most of these

47:20

stories are actually true. Well, do

47:22

you tell the drunk Harry Potter story because

47:24

that story is a winner. Sorry, there's- No,

47:27

but I need it. I have a bug in here too. Did you

47:29

send it to me? Cause I have one in here and I don't

47:31

know where it came from. So you sent it

47:34

to me. I'm gonna add the Harry Potter. The

47:36

Harry Potter story. Yeah, add that for

47:38

sure. Are you coming

47:40

to Denver? Are you coming to CrimeCon? Next-

47:43

Me? Next crime- Yeah. No,

47:46

I don't do CrimeCon. Yes. Well,

47:48

I think you should rethink that because

47:51

have you been to the Denver airport? I

47:53

used to live in Boulder and I lived in

47:55

Aurora for a while. So yeah, I used to fly- What's your

47:57

deal with all the theories, the conspiracies about the

47:59

airport? airport. Do you know anything about it? I don't

48:01

know. I mean, I was there. I lived there when

48:03

they built the DIA, when they put that, like the

48:05

weird, like pointy things that are supposed to look like

48:08

the man horse. Yeah. Yeah.

48:10

And back then everybody was just like, that's all, what

48:12

are they doing? And then they said it was something

48:14

very wrong there. I

48:17

don't know. Like I didn't know there was a

48:19

thing. I mean, this was, this

48:21

was like 27 years ago. So I don't

48:23

remember, like, I don't know

48:25

what's going on there. Now. Not the person we need to

48:27

go to for it. If you, okay. If you

48:29

find anyone that knows about the Denver

48:32

airport, there's conspiracy theories about this airport.

48:34

I hope while they're all. Yeah. What'd

48:37

you say? I hope it's the right airport. It's

48:40

Denver for sure. With the horse. Yeah.

48:42

Yeah. And it's weird. Have you, have either of you ever flown

48:44

into DIA? No, no. It's

48:46

crazy. Cause like you think you're flying into Denver.

48:48

It's so far away from Denver.

48:51

It's like in the middle of the

48:54

planes, like it's like

48:56

our drive into Denver from the airport. It's like,

48:58

maybe not an hour, but it's, it's out there. It's

49:00

way out in the middle of nowhere. Really?

49:03

Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing was

49:05

kind of weird, but no, I, I don't, I

49:08

don't think that even if I wanted to go back to crime, kind

49:10

of I would be in, I had, I had

49:12

some, I have personal issues with, and that's just my

49:14

thing. I don't fault anybody else for everything, but I

49:16

had some personal issues and I voiced some

49:18

of them on the podcast. Yeah.

49:20

I don't think they liked it. They didn't care for

49:23

it. No, I got an email, um, asking,

49:25

huh? I think somebody told him, somebody

49:27

from crime con, like it was like last year I

49:29

had said, I, I said kind of my opinion and

49:31

actually I pulled some punches. I said

49:33

my opinion, but then they emailed me and we're like, dude, I

49:36

thought everything was cool. And I was like, it's not cool. And

49:39

they were like, well, what's your reasons why? And I,

49:41

and I said like a very detailed, I'm like, okay,

49:43

you really want to know these are

49:45

the things that I don't like about your organization and

49:47

what you're doing and that, and the way you're running

49:49

the crime con. Tell

49:51

me you'll do something about those. And they're basically like, I'm sorry

49:53

you feel that way. Cool.

49:56

Oh, not like we're gonna, we're gonna look into this and

49:58

make. We don't

50:00

want to get kicked out of crime. Yeah. You guys are

50:02

nice. You don't want to participate in this because they gave you, listen,

50:05

the odds you went in that two years in a row that you

50:07

might as well quit. Now you can go out on like,

50:09

what if you won that award and then you're like, and

50:11

fuck crime con. I didn't ask

50:13

specifics. Did I say a bad thing? No, no,

50:15

no, no, no, no, no, no. This

50:17

very heavy award. Yeah. I

50:20

want to do that. I want to like win

50:22

an award and just flip off everyone. And like,

50:25

that's it. That would, that's the dream, right? Yeah.

50:27

It's always the dream. Yeah. I

50:29

am such a rule follower. So is Katie. We're

50:32

like, we're pathological rule followers. So

50:35

we would never, but it's like, it's like the

50:37

quitting dream where you quit and you flip your

50:39

table at your desk. Yeah.

50:42

Yeah. It would be awesome. The

50:44

minute you said that my hand started sweating. No,

50:47

you guys, and there's no reason to get

50:49

it. Like I said, that's just my issue.

50:52

And truthfully when I was, when I see all the posts that

50:54

crying out every year, like I do

50:56

miss like being there with like

50:59

the other podcasters and like meeting fans

51:02

and listeners and stuff. Like I do miss that

51:04

stuff. It's as my, my issues are bigger

51:06

pictures. I understand. Well, yeah. And

51:09

some of the stuff they did. I don't. Wait, so

51:11

I know we have to go soon. I have a question really

51:13

quick. Like, did you have you released what case you're talking about

51:15

or is it private? No, I have not. I've

51:18

given little nibbles of clues, but you guys should. Is it

51:20

something that's happening right now? No, I don't know

51:23

if you know this about communicating, but I would, my podcast

51:25

is based on wrongful conviction cases. So it's

51:28

an old case that we're covering. No,

51:30

she knows that. Of course

51:32

I, I told you. I know, I know.

51:36

I was joking with the look on your

51:38

face. I was like, huh? How dare you?

51:40

How very dare you. I think she

51:42

wants your opinion on Karen Reed because that's all she's obsessed with

51:44

right now. No. So that's

51:46

not one that I wouldn't do anything I care because that's a current case

51:48

happening right now. I know. I

51:50

don't know. I don't know. As a matter of fact, my plan

51:52

is next week is I'm going to have Bob

51:55

Motta on because like everybody's asking me about it and I

51:57

don't know. Again, I don't follow true crime. So I don't

51:59

even know anything about it. the case. So

52:01

I'm going to have Bob come on and talk about it. Do

52:04

you, do you know lots about the case? I

52:06

do. I've been watching the trial. You've been watching the

52:08

trial. Um, can you

52:11

give me, so. I'm not an lawyer and I'm,

52:13

I'm not a criminologist. Um, I

52:15

just, I just have

52:17

thoughts that sometimes I'm right about stuff.

52:19

See, and you would know that if I had

52:21

called in with that tip. Yeah. I thought you were going to be like, I

52:24

had you not ignored my tip. I was, wait a minute, you never said it.

52:30

He was out there listening with this hot tape.

52:34

I think I even know if I went back,

52:37

that's all still available, right? I can go back to

52:39

season two. Okay. I'm going to go

52:41

back. Cause I even think if I heard the episode

52:43

again, I would know what I thought. I'm

52:45

going to go back and listen. You should

52:47

do my last episode that just aired Sunday.

52:49

Um, because again, we're like

52:51

in this fill in time where we're getting ready. So

52:54

we did a flashback episode and I

52:56

played and I, I, I did a flashback

52:58

to when we found out Ed was getting

53:00

released. Um, so

53:03

it was kind of too like with the new hire,

53:05

like so she could understand like the bigger picture of

53:07

what we do, you know? Yeah. Um, so,

53:09

and that was a really good one to kind of capture that. Uh,

53:12

but in that, like I give like a, a real,

53:14

you know, like, like the case

53:17

in 10 minutes, like a kind of a summary

53:19

through that of like how, you know, what happened

53:21

in the case. Maybe that'll jog some jog that

53:23

memory. Maybe. I don't know. But I also love,

53:25

like, I love the detail. And that's part of

53:27

the reason like you have a good show. My

53:30

new show detail is just, that's my, that's, we're

53:32

about to get into one. If

53:34

you want, cause we always talk about Sandy

53:36

Malgar, like that's where friends with Liz and

53:39

like, I always go, go listen to Bob

53:41

because he got like three full episodes on

53:43

an autopsy report. Like no one does a

53:45

deeper dive. Right. That's what's that works that

53:47

way that can be handled. I

53:52

can't give me the 10 minute wrap up,

53:54

but Katie can do the deep dive. Yeah.

53:56

I love the deep dive. If I ever

53:58

stop podcasting, I'm going to. I'm gonna apply to

54:00

be the, I'm gonna work

54:02

on your team and be an intern. That's awesome.

54:05

I'll do research. You guys, especially

54:07

Katie, you guys should listen to season 15 when it

54:09

drops, June 23rd is when we're supposed to drop it.

54:12

But it's a really cool case. And I

54:14

keep sprinkling little hints, but I will, and

54:17

I said this on her follow-up this week that hasn't aired

54:19

yet actually. But one of the,

54:21

so, two

54:24

minutes. Real quick, the case came to

54:26

me because Robby Ashoudry sent it to me because she was

54:29

working on it and she thought it needed a full investigation.

54:31

So she sent it to me from Baltimore. And then when

54:33

I got it and I looked at it and I read

54:35

it, I was like, did you know this is in the

54:37

county that I live in? And she did not know that.

54:39

It was just a crazy coincidence or fate, however you think

54:42

that. So it literally is right here. Even coincidences. So, I

54:44

know like all the cops that are like a

54:46

part of it. It's crazy. No. Yeah.

54:50

And what I was gonna say is also there's like

54:52

some other stuff. I will say this, that Erica,

54:55

new Erica that works here. Yeah,

54:58

thanks. When we were preparing to

55:00

say, when are we gonna launch the season? I was

55:02

looking at maybe pushing past July 4th because I just

55:04

got some more prep I wanna do. And

55:07

she said, no, this

55:09

case, you need to launch, we need

55:11

to launch season one in June because

55:13

it's pride month. So no, that

55:15

is important for this case. I'm

55:17

excited about all of it. This is all

55:19

plus, plus, pluses. Okay. And

55:22

Robby. Yeah. All these

55:24

things. June 23rd and Kimberly, I know you got

55:26

a hard out in a

55:28

number of seconds coming up here. Thank

55:30

you. Just real quick, I did just

55:33

kind of catch up where we were before. I

55:35

watched air supply on TV with air supply

55:38

because the script supervisor

55:40

from the Jimmy Kimmel show drank every night at that

55:42

bar that I was talking about at the hotel on

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Murano. Yeah. And they filmed and then came

55:47

to the bar and then we sat there and watched them on there. I

55:51

guess that's also that script supervisor that I sat and

55:53

had a drink with every single

55:56

night for months at a time. I

55:58

found out three months in that we're both. from the

56:00

same tiny little town in Michigan. Also

56:04

script supervisor is the hardest job in Hollywood.

56:07

I don't know what it means. Gary's tried to explain it to me

56:09

a hundred times what it is, I don't understand. All I know is

56:11

he meets cool people. Yeah. And

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56:30

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