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episode twenty three jessica henry

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or jessica we heard or describe

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housekeeping issues woman who's very sad

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and the may send zach into a

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spiral of despair in

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many of you may come with the

2:17

turns out the ably zach

2:19

is not going to be able to

2:22

go to obsess best with me to open

2:24

up for the the true

2:26

crime comedy hour schedule

2:28

it it is finally came out with the schedule zach was

2:31

trying to work his trip to

2:33

columbus in with a

2:35

soccer tournament for his son in indianapolis

2:39

in they scheduled our

2:41

time to do the comedy hour right

2:43

smack dab in the middle

2:46

that critter

2:47

stably black not gonna be able to make that one

2:49

yep pretty bummed but i still think we're

2:51

we're going to keep going with this and have a good future with

2:54

also the hopefully if i don't completely

2:56

eat shit at obsessed best

2:58

it it goes weldon

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the omega will go do more these live shows were zach

3:03

will and back be able to join

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bob how can we help as

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sands and friends if we want to make

3:09

sure that you're set those days of success

3:11

even if we can be there hello

3:13

there's got to be away for us

3:16

to support you as you prepare

3:18

yourself for obsessed first i

3:21

bet

3:22

i can't what people think we have

3:24

a serious podcast oh

3:28

like

3:28

me indiana area i

3:31

forget what part of indiana

3:32

as a matter of fact yet it clear

3:34

is aware that it's ah so

3:37

speaking of eating shit eating ate said completely

3:40

at the the drop comedy club last night

3:42

there was some very tiny room with that many people in

3:44

it

3:44

the dragon they're still try to work out some bit

3:47

so if anybody it's in

3:49

the south bend indiana area

3:52

on tuesday nights for the next

3:55

or the for tuesday still left

3:57

before says personally know the

3:59

rape

3:59

them they have an open mike night where

4:02

zack and i are going to practice

4:05

then i would love it if we had

4:08

the audience in there instead of just

4:10

the twenty comics that are sit there was never

4:12

tried to do to practice or bit so

4:15

if you're around south bend indiana tuesday

4:17

nights

4:18

eight pm it's a free

4:21

show that right downtown look up the drop

4:23

comedy club if the a come down there

4:25

you build a hangout me exact have a couple drinks

4:28

watson free comedy

4:30

hopefully laugh at the

4:32

everybody ah we will

4:34

see some people there because it's the when i

4:36

went last night there was nobody

4:39

there was little awkward awkward doing

4:41

that

4:42

the

4:43

in so that that ah

4:45

obsessed best the schedule is out for

4:47

those of you that goddamn bought tickets yet go

4:49

get your tickets to obsess us are so it's gonna be so

4:51

fun i'm actually really really really looking forward

4:54

to this whole conference

4:56

everything in it like there's some serious about doing

4:58

a panel on the west memphis three where

5:01

gillian had the bali and damien

5:03

echols which is gonna be an awesome panel

5:06

authors like a true crime mega

5:08

panel at some point that's going to be me

5:10

and pain lindsay and adjusted an error

5:13

and

5:13

i don't remember who wells but that's another

5:15

big panel that he battle for like

5:18

true crime supremacy i don't

5:20

know what the deal i don't all i i'd the

5:22

i live in talk to me but i just saw the schedule

5:24

that it's a mega panel mega panel that

5:26

we're doing our but then there's also there's like karaoke

5:29

contests where do in the comedy hour

5:31

there's a drag bronze

5:33

on sunday there's is all kinds

5:36

of it's gonna be a really really fun weekend

5:38

columbus ohio they do so of tickets available

5:40

so if you want to go check

5:43

those out hopefully see a lot of you there was hope and see

5:45

that there like is it sadly didn't

5:47

work out but we'll do it another

5:49

time the agenda we have that with

5:51

the soviet something else for housekeeping to that we need

5:53

to do or was that it

5:54

i think that was it

5:57

well as we all know episode twenty three

5:59

was

5:59

interview with jessica henry and before

6:02

we get into it any further there

6:04

so many people who are very

6:06

very interested to know including myself

6:09

and i'm sure that when was this interview

6:11

when did this happen particularly with the

6:14

inside the chronology of for example when

6:16

alex was enter

6:17

you'd oh it was i have a year on my computer

6:19

it was enough around the same

6:21

time as alex the for alex

6:23

it was march twentieth two

6:25

thousand and seven alex

6:28

was may

6:30

do those two months before alex

6:32

was interviewed which is weird because

6:34

it seemed to me

6:35

that they got to jessica

6:39

because of alex bible blind i'm guessing

6:41

i'm guessing they must have the current

6:43

kept that bit from him that they

6:45

already knew this information

6:47

yeah exactly they had yeah because they got that

6:49

he can say she told her manager chris oh who's

6:51

married to a cop ray that's

6:53

how right leclaire came to be there at her

6:55

work

6:56

yeah yeah okay decorate okay

6:59

yeah because that is interesting that there's it feels

7:01

like they sort of

7:02

loop each other and

7:03

the like we did they not know about the just got sorry

7:05

but they must have now yeah to of now

7:08

because it was a claire okay great that is very

7:10

good to know zach what'd you think about the

7:11

interview you know i i'm not one hundred percent

7:14

sure what i thought the lot of the air

7:16

or to be honest i think there's some really interesting

7:19

things she said the pick up on

7:21

more in all behaviors of

7:23

individuals but there is still a lot

7:25

throughout this interview that is kind of here's

7:27

the in i don't know whether it

7:29

he said she said i don't know

7:32

who see that first hand you know we've we've heard a few

7:34

things we hear the items and

7:36

austin's trunk mount

7:38

now is this the same potentially

7:40

the same story that we've heard from nyc about javier

7:42

shrunk or are there to is

7:44

this of the all matching set of

7:46

trunk that have things in them i don't i don't really know

7:49

i think the biggest thing that to pick up was

7:51

the fact that

7:52

the dog can talk about some of our sins behaviors

7:54

and saw javier his behavior is what i found really and

7:57

the to meet of the value in the interview

7:59

the few things was yeah

8:02

i am i'm always interested to hear

8:04

more the about becky victimology

8:07

that you have years relationship back his

8:09

relationship with the other people around

8:11

like hobby years friends the

8:14

oil if you the here might not that any light another

8:16

we can just take what jessica says as old as

8:18

back teeth but it's it's it's it comes

8:20

in were information gather at the in the

8:22

and episode you guys are coming her sunday i

8:25

really looked at it was like it's as another it's another

8:27

interview and i was wrestling with i'm tired of

8:29

doing interview of episodes as much as you get tired

8:31

of hearing the interview episode i wanna

8:33

get into sorry putting this together

8:36

and i have i actually started this week

8:38

to

8:39

the build out and episode where we're starting to compare

8:41

and contrast i was information but it's like they're still

8:43

holes because are still people

8:46

that are still shared more information so

8:48

i'm looking at this will all as is is this

8:50

phase as as information gathering we're just

8:52

getting everybody's him

8:54

poet so that we can then later put that

8:57

together but but just

8:59

go as a piece of that so was i the

9:01

relate your hearing more about what she thought

9:03

of becky what for perception of other

9:05

people but they think of becky her

9:08

perception of the relationship with javier

9:11

hobby years behavior afterwards

9:13

i found interesting for she said the your he was

9:15

so drugged out that they couldn't have a conversation

9:17

with him afterwards it

9:20

also there's what gives a book go a few people were like

9:22

we could cut awful at the because there was

9:24

a lot of interview the was super duper repetitive

9:27

what i want

9:28

is it is interesting to me what if i'm

9:30

listening to something and i find it interesting worthwhile

9:33

i'm gonna leave it in

9:34

in listening to her out the

9:36

decks of leclaire how he operates and

9:38

and ya how he's thinking is like i to

9:40

me that's another route that

9:42

my neighbor part of the center

9:44

i am like like what he

9:46

can you get a wise and nick come forward by guess

9:48

it would you go fucking dr nick where you

9:50

know why is it her responsibility

9:52

why is it his responsibility

9:55

the come forward is dismissive attitude

9:57

the about although i'm not impressed with those guys

9:59

you're like avoidance and only

10:01

the said that i could not believe

10:04

he said

10:05

those guys to see all i've seen from them

10:07

as are either a bunch of stoners are alcoholics

10:09

they don't impress me much as like wow

10:13

that appear as appear

10:16

yeah the whole thing it was in in in

10:18

again we hear his hobby or day you

10:20

know he's he's really hung up on whether

10:22

have you have been hounding mel ott yeah

10:25

and every interview easier that's strange

10:27

i don't know why

10:29

i don't know why unless east unless he's thinking

10:31

that oh of he's gay that he wouldn't have had

10:33

on the tracks and the becky but every single

10:35

person he's talk to

10:37

they said javier love becky

10:39

he was obsessed with becky javier wanted

10:41

this is not the this through with this what people are saying

10:44

that hobby or wanted there to be more

10:46

of a relationship there were becky

10:48

these acting like air they

10:51

i'm here in about javier says he's gay and like

10:53

there's nothing you're hearing about hobby or that says

10:55

he's gay was nothing

10:57

at all yeah we've heard multiple people

10:59

now talk about realize beginning we kind of other

11:01

hobby or was that friend zone guy that i mean

11:03

obviously has been friend zone but he thought that he was

11:05

like just the ultimate close friend but clearly

11:07

we've had multiple people now talk about how obsessed

11:10

he was with her and how much she actually

11:12

you're not to talk bad of becky but how much she would actually

11:14

lead him on

11:16

incredible seem to give him hope of

11:18

a relationship only to smash

11:20

it everyday yeah from some of the yeah

11:22

deadly from those heard that was the perspective of

11:24

some the people because his we can go a

11:26

couple rebels out from the

11:29

people direct now we're rolling

11:31

the spiderweb it's ripple if we go the

11:33

next line of web and in the

11:35

in the spider when you know how there's like a middle yeah

11:37

then they go round and then around and looks like

11:39

rebels yeah of the next one ah

11:43

i'll be asylum

11:45

i also thought just his treatment of her was

11:47

so noticeably different i mean he was very

11:50

very warm and at first

11:52

at first well it's because she came forward and that

11:54

such a good thing to do but then i thought i

11:56

don't know like jacob made sure he came in

11:58

right away and hobby me sure he came

12:00

in right away so i rather feel

12:02

like so did robert so i started really

12:04

feel like oh this is how he behaves toward

12:06

someone that he is absolutely sure has nothing to do with

12:09

as because he was so nice to her or she's

12:11

she's a girl i don't know but it just

12:13

it felt like a very different tonally

12:15

version of leclaire but

12:17

then there were all these things he see did

12:20

inside that conversation that once

12:22

again just kind of blew me away like this idea

12:24

that jessica was saying that austin

12:26

would yell and scream at baggy intel or she

12:28

was stupid and then he has follow up question

12:30

as i know but like anything about

12:33

sidewalk normal

12:35

right to like it and why the hell

12:38

is that normal

12:39

true he may not believe it

12:41

he may just be brushing at all for that reason but if that's

12:43

true the last thing i would say after that as

12:45

well that just sounds like a normal roommates

12:47

screaming at

12:48

the roommate girlfriend like

12:52

the roulette or normal at all

12:55

it's it seems to me that the

12:57

he has

12:59

honestly i think

13:00

look clear think hobby

13:03

or did this

13:05

like when you listen to the tone of all the interviews everything's

13:08

back the hobby or his most in his most

13:11

pressing questions

13:13

are usually about javier

13:16

the key it it it's like he's got this track

13:18

in his mind in that's

13:20

why don't we have much investigation into austin

13:22

we don't have much investigation into jacob we don't

13:24

have because it's like okay

13:27

well a hobby or for it like the in it is just

13:29

my perception of a bit as like he goes this interview

13:31

like oh yeah so hobby or for sure did this and

13:33

i'm gonna find out more information about

13:35

hobby or doing it i'm jessica

13:38

and then she's like well austin was horrible he

13:40

swung knives around and he hated back into it's creamy

13:43

only the gay about but hobby

13:45

or gaze what i needed now like that

13:47

what i was like my that's just the feeling

13:49

that i get about him the he's

13:52

got blinders on and i don't necessarily think blinders

13:54

or ever been in the right direction but he's that's where

13:56

his okay seems to be at this point

13:58

yeah an urge then and i know

14:00

some of your saying in the chart that he seems dismissive

14:03

to her i agree i feel like he was both warm and

14:05

dismissive i thought and and i give you a translator

14:07

condescending right that there's a sense of like well

14:10

if you know anything that's real you can call

14:12

me if you don't know when all your think

14:14

l you're doing is saying rumors you can

14:16

call me which again i am and

14:18

there are moments in the conversation worry i

14:20

do think he's making the right decision to say

14:23

i were to i go with this you understand

14:25

that what you're telling his speculates are you understand

14:28

how difficult it is for me to be told a story third

14:30

hand and actually take action on it but

14:32

i was also really surprised that he's yeah that he

14:34

was sort of the or point bob that he was

14:37

like well if i want to talk to these guys what am

14:39

i gonna do how do i tell them that you weren't a

14:41

person who came forward and i

14:43

would think that think that at that point with say i'm sorry this

14:45

is a triple homicide

14:46

top if you came forward they have

14:49

to traces of the to buy any to follow up on stuff

14:51

and you're gonna have to navigate that with your friends

14:54

after the fact yeah and and in

14:56

like a another little things that i caught in

14:58

there so good there's this whole thing about

15:01

id nick to the next

15:03

says he interviewed the talked

15:05

to the police at circuit city then

15:07

he went to the station and gave a statement

15:11

those that that statement is not

15:13

in there there's no report on it there's nothing

15:15

in the in the police report the me

15:17

the feeling is that something that is left

15:19

is been left out or pulled out of the of

15:21

the case file

15:22

the didn't weirdly alluded to but we heard

15:25

we heard him say in this interview

15:27

what she's talking about nick from what

15:29

he says the by talk to nyc again

15:33

what we always y'all ever of i said this to nyc

15:35

a of i talked to him again

15:37

though he clearly like he's he

15:39

acknowledges

15:41

the he has spoken to neck the

15:43

hour before and i think it was bombed zero as go

15:45

back and look is one that went the circuit city like again

15:48

it's it's it's confirming

15:50

what nick a saying i don't think nick would forget

15:52

going to the police station and giving an

15:54

interview

15:55

i agree with everything you're saying the only

15:57

reason i would have any hasn't then

16:00

about that is purely because

16:02

leclaire just seems to have a really hard time

16:04

keeping track of who's who and what he's talking about

16:07

sometimes like he can not the

16:09

crystal thing is like

16:11

it is a long period of time

16:13

of them just trying to figure out which crystal

16:16

any one is talking about and then he still try they

16:18

both crystals one crystal and

16:21

also but the whole sort of misunderstanding

16:23

as it's to me it's very clear jessica says

16:26

i saw his take a picture of him with

16:28

a sniper rifle five sniper rifle

16:30

a sniper rifle on his my space

16:32

and then the claire's like

16:33

but you didn't see the picture

16:36

you know he did you really that probably a lot of

16:38

right now i didn't see the rifle okay so you

16:40

even see it why saw the picture of it will what picks

16:42

are all the picture on my my space the very first

16:45

thing you said so you're just clarifying

16:47

back to the very first thing you said gotten a definite

16:49

so my concern is only could he be

16:51

sinking he talked in a chrome on his feet wesley

16:53

was talking to the coraline that's the only just because

16:55

they're to next again i think you're right

16:57

about everything you're saying the only as an awful back

17:00

on it was he seems

17:01

be very easily confused about who

17:03

what where when definitely least in the moment

17:05

he seems to be

17:07

in it possible but there's there's also other

17:09

reports

17:10

there's a report from

17:13

i think report

17:15

from the two thousand and fifteen interview

17:17

with next one of the room

17:19

or ports in their says the

17:22

nick was interviewed in two thousand and six

17:24

and to knit chrome was interviewed in two thousand

17:26

and six and two thousand and seven but it's written

17:29

really weird at says the

17:31

best of my knowledge the

17:33

crumb was interviewed by police and

17:35

gave statements and two thousand and six and two

17:37

thousand and seven it's written really

17:39

weirdly it's like like

17:42

i know what happened is almost as like i

17:44

know what happens but

17:46

it's not in the case file

17:49

they're just a couple more things that i

17:51

had and i promise i wasn't gonna bring them up because

17:53

i assumed that they would be endless or questions i didn't

17:55

see this enlist or any of the list

17:57

or questions on even and posts i scrolled

18:00

you on facebook so i apologize anyone

18:02

if i missed you and i'm asking like this is my idea

18:04

but i just wanted to quickly touch on a couple things i was

18:06

very interesting the jessica said that hobby said

18:09

he had seen and heard things that we wouldn't understand

18:11

that he didn't want to talk about and look

18:13

where did not ask any questions about that at all

18:16

i thought it was interesting that he'd never brought up

18:18

robert and christian even though they all went to

18:20

cathedral city high school so i just thought

18:22

it was interesting like oh he a lot of the

18:24

time he will kind of bring up robber and christian

18:27

and as a sort of general like and did you also

18:29

know robert christian by chance right but

18:31

he doesn't ask anything about them don't know what that means

18:34

ah that was interesting

18:35

retire next point to the moon for i love

18:37

living interject right there is is that

18:39

that part of why thing

18:41

in his mind at that point hobby air

18:43

was the suspect you'll

18:45

begin to be robin christian the woods or of his seem like

18:48

everything at that point checked out with them

18:50

it's not until october of o seven

18:52

that all of sudden

18:54

focus shifts back that way which were going to be

18:56

getting into but the or at this point

18:58

yet again is why we're doing all these interviews

19:00

because this is where the focus was he didn't even ask her

19:02

about those two site glad no no

19:04

please always interrupt me i talk too much

19:06

i thought it was interesting the she said that

19:08

austen did not want her at the apartment

19:10

when he wasn't there and actively change

19:13

shifts to make sure he would

19:15

be again if it's true that he actively

19:17

change system make sure he would be there any

19:19

time he knew she was gonna be at the apartment i don't

19:21

think that's unreasonable but it is interesting

19:23

in terms of that the thing that we're hearing about different

19:25

characters and the story i say that figure

19:27

that we i'm and then ah

19:30

i thought was interesting that leclaire the

19:33

kind of her go back to the idea of like how about girls

19:35

who hated are you know any girls who what might have done

19:37

this and the only reason i thought that is because gentlemen

19:40

ain't going back to handwriting here's

19:42

here's the possibility about why a wheelbarrow could be

19:44

involved are enough he he postulated like

19:46

maybe there could be a woman involved

19:49

so i thought was interesting again his approach

19:51

like what is clear thinking that's why love

19:53

these interviews love hearing what

19:56

how the cops decide ask what they ask and

19:58

whether plumps and ask next and don't

20:00

seem to prompt them to ask next and

20:02

also the idea of i don't know that is this the first

20:04

time we've heard that jacob if it's true

20:07

did not like austin is it the first time we've

20:09

heard the jake was like ooh he didn't like living with us

20:11

and like that was we knew with kind of a random

20:13

what lived together situation but i don't know if you've ever heard

20:16

like someone's opinion that jacob

20:18

actively didn't like his roommate again

20:21

if it's even for

20:22

i don't the river i mean that

20:24

you can to get that impression from jacob

20:27

just a day that they're not close i don't know

20:29

what i've ever heard it though yeah although you so that

20:32

they even awesome was like i don't know i don't know when

20:34

he comes your nose i don't know you anything like

20:36

that in indiana jacobs like

20:38

all yeah i just game a place to stay my

20:41

people getting cold is at the avid that i don't

20:43

remember anything it was like

20:46

i don't like

20:47

the the one nine a questioning the okay goes

20:49

through his is when she's talking

20:51

about nick from saying like nick knows

20:54

that the awesome did it and he's got

20:56

people that are gonna take care of it in in the

20:58

it ended is active just kind of like will will you mean

21:00

he's likely knows people

21:02

in oh okay and like it just kind of goes

21:04

well that's where the claire's like it

21:07

was filthy that that whole maeda

21:10

diverse you like he just like our some he uses the cops

21:12

are do with anything so if

21:14

somebody they care because he knows he did it

21:17

then he was like well as i mean that's gonna

21:19

stupid like why wouldn't you like why

21:23

wouldn't you didn't like maybe i need go talk to nyc

21:25

right now if that's something that's that's happening

21:27

this is like the ever that doesn't make any

21:29

sense because they why would he

21:31

like be mad if he hasn't talked to the police

21:34

why are you mad about the police not

21:37

doing anything if he's not coming forward

21:40

that's do exist

21:41

the whole thing about there is like

21:43

no i think maybe maybe

21:45

like make an effort go talk to nyc then and

21:48

figure this out the either because

21:50

he has important information or because

21:52

she just told you that nick may be thinking about

21:54

going and murdering some yeah exactly he might

21:56

be good reason to go yeah follow up

21:58

on all or and all that stuff you know like

22:00

in have been who does he know we not be off

22:06

hello

22:07

his red flag seem a little selective

22:09

without us knowing exactly the reasons why the

22:11

only other thing i had the didn't are they didn't see show

22:13

up was ah in the in that list or question

22:16

was whether the cops ever spoke

22:18

to ashley shepherd again

22:22

if that's something that you might consider

22:24

because com people believe that

22:26

a person that your intimate with after a crime

22:28

may hear something in a moment

22:31

of vulnerability that you might not here

22:34

otherwise i wasn't sure i haven't seen an

22:36

interview with her and i've done most

22:38

of like when i was listening to the

22:40

interview particularly because we got a button new names

22:43

like i was going through the case file online keyword

22:45

searching for while these names and

22:47

lot of these people were never interviewed

22:49

always not that this coming up and a search on the file

22:53

okay i should have brought this up on

22:55

we're talking originally about the interview

22:57

itself but it's true that lore

22:59

h and several others did have a lot of

23:01

trouble hearing this one's and did ask

23:04

about the possibility of a transcripts of

23:06

the participate more fully

23:07

the cardio i put it on tuesday awesome

23:10

good check it out everybody making

23:13

elsa had some comments about

23:15

jessica and like sort of knowing what

23:17

she knows vs again talking

23:20

about hearsay are talking about rumors or what she heard

23:23

but that in general megan felt like ccc

23:26

almost seem to know more know more more

23:28

to come the beauty then any

23:30

of the other folks who kind of

23:32

maybe seemed like they were more silo was

23:34

was megan's word as idea that they

23:36

they didn't really talk about the south

23:37

the things were being discussed as much i didn't know see any

23:40

thoughts on that

23:43

the edges are hiding is a different personality

23:45

was she was really wanting to

23:47

i think would you as you get what i get out of just

23:49

because that she had some information see thought

23:51

was very pertinent

23:53

then and i think you see the sometimes especially

23:55

with with younger people and ethos he would

23:57

next to even in his interview the

24:00

wonder they were really was paying attention listening

24:02

to him it's like i've got something

24:04

that i think and help in i'm

24:06

going to share that and then i also

24:08

go in here's a million other look like

24:10

they're they're just trying where i don't let the other trying

24:12

really hard to help so they just keep like why also

24:14

heard this and i heard says they're

24:17

gonna feeding off the the invest gator

24:19

that like why want to know more will i don't that line

24:21

here's some sauce all false confessions happens

24:23

it's it's not a not an entirely

24:25

different psychology there when you keep drawing

24:28

saying i want more i want more i want more

24:30

a lot of personalities are labeled i'm gonna give you more

24:32

and more and more such a great point on so

24:34

glad about that

24:36

i feel like she truly believes

24:38

everything she said like up

24:40

the understanding that i got from her is it like everything

24:42

she's saying even the hearsay stuff she

24:45

book takes as fact and bullies and i don't think

24:47

she's lying about anything what not lying

24:49

i'm not saying this is lying i think that regardless

24:52

of where it came from see believes

24:54

are your thing she's here i'm just get that's why i'm is

24:56

meant to promote your say i'm like yeah that's her that's

24:58

her truth and who would you sell it does

25:00

that mean it's accurate but she believes that to

25:03

be true

25:04

i never mind with the idea of of leclaire

25:06

never bringing up robert christian cg

25:08

says dude had any significance

25:10

to the fact that that jessica never

25:12

mentioned bonus i've been kind

25:14

of a part of that group or being there

25:16

anything like that

25:18

no because i don't think

25:20

you'll hear this weekend i don't think bow

25:22

was much by two thousand and seven

25:24

wasn't really part of that group much anymore

25:30

jennifer c t ah

25:32

says do you do we know if the police followed

25:34

up with some of the names that the just we're

25:36

talking about like crystal i'm

25:38

jennifer says i think she was saying they were the ones that

25:40

austin lost in a closet or bathroom and will not

25:42

only because he thought they would call the clock

25:45

that like i said i haven't for from at least

25:48

from the index i have i don't see

25:50

those names and from keyword

25:52

search in the case file i haven't seen

25:54

those names come that doesn't

25:57

mean as do i can't say with

25:58

hundred percent certainty the right

25:59

there and also be looking but

26:02

i haven't seen any indication that they were

26:05

they made an effort to interview them at all or that they interview

26:07

them

26:08

what let's get into all use jason

26:11

w's a comment to kind of get into this

26:13

cause i think a lot of people had thoughts on this

26:15

which is this idea of a

26:17

just cause saying that when she's talking to austin

26:20

austin says you know oh the killers

26:22

were interrupted by the neighbors and had

26:24

to get out of there and , why

26:26

do you know that he was burned in a wheelbarrow

26:29

and jason says this this could potentially

26:31

really show some guilty knowledge of the crime

26:34

she says the sources austin whether

26:37

it was are not how was that not explored

26:39

was that something that was floating around as a theory

26:41

that everyone kind of knew about

26:45

i don't know i don't think so i

26:48

a deadly jumped out of me because of i

26:50

believe that the theory that

26:52

we heard from my hobby year and than

26:54

other people like shortly after that

26:56

were saying what they heard feel that when they

26:58

were like oh what happened was

27:01

it it was that

27:03

that he escaped

27:05

what was happening right isn't the is

27:07

that what we always heard well it was like that

27:09

there was there i like know becky like i jacob

27:11

know becky was already there in

27:14

they killed over the parents and then she escaped

27:16

and my daughter brought her back i

27:18

think this is the first time we've heard no

27:21

becky are on a neighbor interrupted

27:24

them and that's why they had to sleeping

27:27

rat which will again was kind of it

27:29

even with gemini having kind of leaving

27:31

different directions for who the target was and

27:33

what happened first we both agree there seem

27:35

to be some kind of interruption no

27:38

you know i'm you very possibly could be a

27:40

leak i mean i could see that being a league but also

27:42

at this time you have to realize too weird six

27:44

seven month

27:45

those murder right is probably a lot

27:47

of information out as well great point

27:50

the enemy them not defending what he said

27:52

it could very well be that he's leaving

27:54

some guilty knowledge but also i can't think

27:56

that we can just take what he says because

27:59

of the timeframe

28:00

the lab why also it's it's hearsay

28:02

so the on the game a telephone but it is it

28:04

is super interesting because it's that

28:07

requires

28:09

the kind of higher level thinking for someone

28:11

who

28:13

you know every like most people like a general

28:15

lay person wouldn't look at the crime scene and me like

28:17

oh clearly somebody came and interrupted what they

28:19

were doing that's something

28:21

that the elder the either someone that

28:23

was there would no but that's the

28:25

reason that the of the wheelbarrow is where

28:28

it is and this is why it happened or someone

28:30

that i think whatever priests of yeah the

28:32

sophisticated knowledge of like crime scene reconstruction

28:35

in the profiling him in the gym

28:37

who's like a little walk there and see yeah

28:39

the break oldest down

28:40

they were clearly interrupt it your your i mean

28:42

it is it's a weird thing the

28:45

budget to me for a bunch of teenagers

28:47

things i go yeah well this app this happens she

28:49

was up there because a neighbor interrupted them when we

28:51

know it was a neighbor him summer league

28:53

who drove up to the crime scene within

28:56

minutes of the fires being were

29:00

it depends on how much for example

29:02

hobby talk to his dad and

29:03

told everybody else you know

29:05

theories were rolling out internally

29:07

like you said zoc maybe it's a league it's

29:10

just hard to know where that information came from

29:12

but i thought it was interesting that leclaire

29:14

did press her when aren't when

29:17

austin said he was he had series

29:19

of what happens did feel like am i wrong

29:21

or didn't feel like leclaire perked up and said well

29:23

what did he say happened and

29:25

it and she said he had multiple theories

29:27

he was at all

29:28

that you really perfect

29:30

though it seemed like he's

29:31

he's still

29:33

you know he still really feeling

29:35

out who could have done this and

29:37

is hoping for that moment where someone

29:40

says well he said it must have then bar blah

29:42

blah and that there is some knowledge guilty

29:44

which that leaks their that he can do the i live

29:46

right yeah i think his focus

29:48

is hobby year i think he has a while

29:51

a rubber the purpose of this interview the reason just

29:53

reaches out to him the main reason the

29:55

because you want to tell him lot austin the

29:57

you know he knows he's

29:59

the a a italy

29:59

there's almost up off and hater and all the stuff

30:02

so yeah yeah he definitely

30:04

the everybody is either

30:07

i wish there was out more follow up questions more

30:09

attention paid here but more so i was like

30:11

okay i need to go talk to austin

30:13

that wouldn't that wouldn't have and that's was mind

30:15

numbing they go get hurt all the

30:17

stuff it's not to say like i'm not trying to put handcuffs

30:19

on austin what

30:22

did you go talk to him you go follow

30:24

him clear

30:25

in fact durham right then if that's you

30:27

know

30:28

yeah that only as those questions

30:30

that but but it was like and that's why the yeah

30:32

be perked up with a year he was open

30:35

to hearing about awesome because that was the purpose of

30:37

the entire interview when

30:39

it comes back when when it all comes down to it

30:41

has real focus i think at this point

30:43

still javier

30:45

let's talk about nick for a second

30:47

mandy says it sounds like next talked a lot

30:50

about austin but then a few years later

30:52

he couldn't remember austin at all and of course

30:54

this is coming from the conversation with jessica

30:57

though it from her perspective the

30:59

you haven't caught on that

31:00

i was a few years later it was like

31:02

nine years later

31:04

in adam their own i mean it

31:06

was you you can

31:07

the cool thing about here and that one bonus episode interview

31:10

with next that we played was you

31:12

literally gotta hear the light bulb moment

31:15

when he was like as really the guy who remember

31:18

the roommate at this in the l i

31:20

remember the news like all there was an internet the mall

31:23

worry were where the

31:25

roommates and he is like oh

31:27

yes i do remember that happening

31:30

and that was a kind of clicking came back couple

31:32

days you gotta remember one a long period of time pass

31:34

to from what nick told you it

31:37

was in do a lot of drugs this

31:40

time when the stuff was happening and

31:43

three when he gave that interview

31:45

rican remember neck he had just good gotten

31:48

injured in in war

31:50

then i just had surgeries and

31:52

had all kinds of like painkillers and stuff going

31:55

on or had a brain injury that

31:57

epa at that time so there was that he was

31:59

recovering from

32:00

the lot of reasons why

32:02

nine years later he didn't remember

32:05

these details about austin the

32:08

i don't i don't think it's anything whereby

32:10

i don't think that weekend a hundred percent

32:12

say well we can take every word that anyone

32:15

says the gospel in is

32:17

true there's definitely conflicts

32:19

with neck with the things he said the stuff

32:21

from jessica's interesting cause i haven't heard anybody

32:24

else say anything about nick

32:26

really much at all in these interviews it

32:28

especially how like when

32:31

you get some guys together and in

32:33

go kill austen like i was super

32:35

shocked by that he had his because i haven't

32:38

heard that from any one anyone

32:40

else it doesn't mean it didn't happen

32:42

nick i'm in i have five bob contact

32:45

with nick i can i can ask him about it the

32:48

but he's never mentioned anything like that to me

32:50

before but it could just be

32:52

it was more hearsay could be

32:54

discounted conflated a little bit could

32:56

be needed and slightly kidding is here high

32:59

or drunk and year yeah like

33:00

why you know sort of shoot your mouth

33:01

ah flag i know some guys would

33:04

you care that's right now kind of and i don't

33:06

i sense of humor stuff i can think of two people

33:08

right now that i pulled that that if their dads

33:10

if they got real just real drunk they

33:13

can in a trip over they'd be like

33:15

as of that guy we need to get the old

33:17

isn't that remember any of the next

33:19

are you one of the guys that you're thinking about

33:21

until it and me i'm a whole lot of as

33:23

as a

33:27

oh

33:28

ah and then alice

33:31

you know she she's just kind of speculating on this

33:33

idea of as we've many people have and

33:35

upon him remarked upon and very sage

33:37

li in the chat that's happening you too bright how

33:40

about here leclaire seeming

33:42

to really kind of be offended by

33:45

that the conversation about well next

33:47

said you guys aren't your job that you already talked

33:49

to austin that whole kind

33:51

of line of conversation and

33:54

alice even as wondering like he

33:56

just bad it so he

33:58

didn't follow up

33:59

the waitress he was

34:01

the news that my you think you've got off

34:03

buying a large offscreen

34:05

yeah i don't know i don't i've i've

34:07

found is reaction to be really it's

34:11

like being a podcast get negative comments

34:13

like you just gotta get used to it you know

34:15

it it in an area about

34:19

it would that would it was like really

34:21

the first be the negative feedback you ever got

34:24

there was from a teenager and you're all bent outta

34:26

shape about it i dunno

34:28

i found it weird

34:31

what's that about that their trunks at

34:33

the gas cans all that stuff that you meet a really

34:35

really good point early on ah

34:37

where if it was could they be one

34:39

in the same couldn't let him sort of absorbed

34:42

jessica's memory could it be that

34:44

they both have them someone on facebook suggested

34:46

perhaps they were in one car and got move to

34:48

another car so people are definitely

34:51

they've got their thinking caps on at

34:53

thinking about kind of what this all

34:55

could

34:56

and where it could all end up

34:58

being in terms of like what is definitively

35:00

true which will never know but

35:02

what do you think about all that you guys i know

35:04

that made our young about a little

35:06

maybe i'm overthinking it but i just can't

35:08

i met you know the the items were very specific

35:11

it was shovel it was black bags it was a it

35:13

was a gas can uh-huh that

35:15

there were very specific so i have a hard time believing

35:18

this is tude separate

35:20

interaction

35:21

it feels like it's one thing had

35:24

it been a different items you know maybe there's just

35:26

a gas came to like we can talk about some people have guessed

35:28

hands but the fact that the items relate

35:31

are exactly the same the how i i

35:33

tend to believe that is probably the same

35:36

incident and one of them as really

35:38

differently than the other now i may

35:40

be just making that up maybe this very will happen

35:42

there are these two

35:44

very unique situations but

35:47

seems strange to me

35:48

the know you're lying on i mean richard yeah

35:50

rich or else who's to say richard p felt

35:52

the exact same way and marianne as

35:54

and angela everybody and facebook

35:56

was trying to kind of do the same thing like figure

35:58

out could it be wanna see

35:59

the arctic different in and sorry about that

36:02

i would you go say that it is gonna like it was

36:04

it was gonna melting my brain a little bit and then i finally

36:06

got a point where i'm like it doesn't really matter like wouldn't

36:08

weekend does not actionable information

36:11

image zombies i've gone to trial is one more piece

36:13

to put on a you're the one

36:15

more piece of evidence to throw at it as far circumstances

36:18

but it's like

36:20

i don't know their yeah other scenarios where

36:23

austin in javier were involved in

36:25

the crime together they get a bowl pack the same type

36:27

of materials to go planet or

36:29

hobby erectus car so than he transferred

36:31

the stuff and austin's car and then there was

36:33

two different incident or it could be

36:35

that's ya the that knickers

36:37

do a lot of drugs of the time and heard the story and

36:39

somehow it did it turned into his

36:41

own memory yeah we know that that's the thing that happens

36:44

that people's memories

36:45

they are far more valuable than the

36:47

than than we really understand

36:51

or it could just be that it apparently

36:53

peacetime like social media after by last

36:55

episode when i pointed out that

36:57

it's it's like illegal to have gasquet

36:59

of your car which it's i should point out i

37:02

was driving commercial vehicles and we had role

37:04

you drive in fire trucks and maybe that's not the case of

37:06

personal vehicles them scary to me

37:08

but i've had about what one million

37:10

people be like do that you're a gasket in my truck

37:12

all in a lotta people the like everybody does not

37:15

make as much more common than

37:17

i ever thought it was into your point about

37:19

nick

37:20

given his story i mean we've heard the story twice

37:22

now but it's changed javier was once

37:25

the on the first time hobby or was next to him the second time

37:27

hobby or as a price there's calling so maybe

37:29

you're right about nick maybe the

37:31

met memory happen yeah

37:33

guiding i think it online of possibilities

37:35

and at the end of the day i

37:38

don't know what we can do with any of

37:41

well at bob in a chat asked zoc

37:43

would you think is if one or the other

37:46

hand to be the right one and

37:48

which one are we picking

37:49

i would imagine that you would think it would be well i

37:51

mean she says that like for other people were with

37:54

her at at a grocery

37:54

or so that seem real specific and

37:57

that invites holing up to see

37:59

if

37:59

the real i'm a guess i'll probably never happen but

38:03

but

38:04

that's a big deal as her involve

38:06

several other people in

38:08

that memory rather than it is being you

38:10

yourself i'm and actually i just

38:12

gonna throw in there danny in the chat mentioned

38:16

you know could somebody be could wouldn't

38:18

rather than bonfires or other innocuous

38:21

reasons could shout shovels and bags be

38:23

connected to may be an illegal growth sites

38:25

aren't needed gas can you have is

38:28

because it's far away and remote and you do keep gas

38:30

their to the last he wanted to run outta gas

38:32

when you have like we'd plants and your car and

38:34

and com threads your wear whatever so that was

38:36

another i don't think we actually touched on that

38:39

but am i just saw that crop up and one or two dogs

38:41

and the child

38:42

it could be for a bow and a lot

38:44

of people have said these are the be bonfire

38:47

material they said there's it's really just

38:49

one of those things it's it was is super titillating

38:51

the first time the heard about it

38:54

and then like the more and more i hear about it like

38:56

men are so many different possibilities

38:59

did you know this is not anything that can

39:01

be used against someone the

39:04

prove anything and now we've

39:06

got three different versions of

39:08

where was that could be they're both completely

39:10

accurate and first completely innocuous reasons

39:13

it is it

39:15

i for me i've just mentally

39:17

of said okay i'm gonna put a pin in that and

39:19

the past it because it is a a

39:22

lot to do about nothing

39:24

and i use the word titillating ah

39:26

easily weigel

39:27

ah thank you i'm

39:29

megan sue weldon

39:35

the begun and su

39:37

and some other folks just still

39:39

can circle around the idea of

39:42

harvey and end

39:44

you know people speculation about pete

39:46

policing corrupt or or savoring

39:48

are feeling pressured to favor hobby in

39:50

some ways and sue had asked was

39:52

hobbies mother of ever enter you'd i'm pretty sure we

39:54

know none of the parents were interviewed right i want

39:56

to clarify that

39:58

no i don't think ld and evil

39:59

recently interviewed at well that's not true

40:02

i think later on later on in the investigation

40:06

pretty sure

40:08

kathleen roberts mom was interviewed

40:12

i'm almost positive about that i

40:15

don't think janna christians mom

40:17

was interviewed it

40:19

can be what will get into all of that stuff on we

40:21

get into a but i i

40:24

feel like i remember when i met her

40:26

telling me like i know where he was that they never

40:28

talk to me but i can be the my

40:30

malleable memory so only

40:33

get there but as far as this group no i

40:35

don't watch yeah jacobs'

40:37

mom was interviewed later the

40:40

will talk about that later the

40:42

country's much later

40:44

the

40:45

i i that seem super interesting to me just because

40:48

she doesn't feel like she

40:49

then the picture in any kind of like physical

40:52

like he didn't live with her and it was buying a hearing

40:54

twenty fifteen when they're looking for jake

40:56

up again to try to do a follow up okay

40:59

so there was this whole thing where they get like

41:01

i remember the the cases like pretty active

41:04

it's like a just get going to give you guys can

41:06

have a timeline of things basics right so

41:09

our topic lighting information seems like other

41:11

pretty if is and robert and hobbies group

41:13

and then when you get into like two thousand and seven

41:16

it seems like the focus of the investigation

41:18

is directed at hobby air and austin

41:20

that group the man

41:23

by the for what i think is maybe when they got some

41:25

forensic work back and everything than it was

41:27

like like that the attic there when

41:29

they they were able to tie the

41:31

business card at least in a possum

41:33

possibly tie that a christian it

41:36

shifts back to robert and christian

41:38

the man

41:39

by two thousand and nine a gathered that the report

41:41

i've i've mentioned a couple times like the summary

41:43

report from two thousand and nine we're

41:46

like the old a main suspect the main

41:48

persons of interest or robert and christian for these

41:50

reasons the man it

41:52

was the or other persons of interest

41:54

in it's like javier is is got

41:56

this this in this looks bad but a cellphone

41:59

records clear there's like jacob it's

42:01

like

42:02

it looks bad it looks bad this looks bad this looks

42:04

real bad

42:06

next person like they never say that he's

42:08

cleared or why he's cleared or anything like

42:10

that but but it seems

42:12

like that was like around two thousand and nine the case kind

42:14

of just went cold and then

42:17

in two thousand and fourteen robert

42:19

and christian arrested

42:21

and there go to a grand jury and they are

42:23

ready to go to trial

42:24

right before they go to trial

42:26

they

42:28

they get they dropped the charges

42:30

the a decided or the deer the judge website

42:33

or wasn't enough evidence and lot political shit

42:35

going on there will talk about want to get to that stuff

42:37

they dropped the charges they release of their

42:39

dot

42:40

the man tweak of team so

42:42

like between those be after the after they've

42:44

been arrest like we fall because the case now we dropped

42:46

the charges that's when

42:48

we get them the circle back that's why we have all these

42:51

interviews and twenty fifteen were are

42:53

you here near crumbs interview like i mentioned

42:55

a circle back to and they do

42:57

circle back awesome alba like i said n

43:00

n jacob and jacobs mom

43:02

and it's like they're kind of really looking

43:05

for years they gives like maybe they're considering a wasn't

43:07

robert and christians let's look at different angles

43:09

only six team they rearrest

43:13

robert and christian a gamma second time

43:16

and that's a in the in the best way to hear that

43:18

tone change his listen to the bonus

43:20

episode they put out mix twenty fifteen

43:22

interview

43:23

there were like okay will tear tell me about awesome

43:25

and this and these other people all i really want to get to the

43:28

bottom while the stuff

43:29

imminent twenty six team they

43:31

had already arrested and we're taking robert

43:33

a christian to trial and he's like so

43:35

awesome they are like i don't give a shit about austin

43:37

where you'd have you know you could you could just tell the complete

43:39

tone difference because at that point

43:42

they were and we we janet un i taught

43:44

about this and tax but with only we talked about the show

43:47

the the tone of the interview like like you give

43:49

you can

43:50

basically

43:51

what had happened there was nick had talked

43:53

to a defense investigator was

43:55

obviously very interested in everything that he

43:57

had to say then he goes and talk

43:59

the you

44:01

the police and he's

44:03

full of confidence because he had just shared

44:05

all this information and this investigator

44:07

was very interested

44:09

though it is a terrible combination

44:11

because he's full of confidence about i

44:13

have important information so i'm going

44:15

to share with his police surely they'll wanna hear

44:17

it all

44:18

in the but he doesn't know the cops are like new

44:21

we already are taking someone else to trial we don't want

44:23

to hear any of this stuff right now and

44:25

that's why that interview felt so awkward i think

44:27

is because

44:28

god and overconfidence informants

44:31

in our carpet doesn't want to hear a word he's got the sake

44:33

of those good all i can do is medals case

44:36

yeah i'm you know where i guess didn't

44:39

do that drop before we recorded are for

44:41

our after we've recorded the follow up where we only

44:43

are talking about to

44:45

yeah

44:46

the we recorded wednesday and and that that that

44:48

second bonus dropped after

44:50

yeah because i feel like we would have talked about

44:52

it yeah my didn't see any questions about

44:54

but that's probably because it's a lot

44:56

of chat was happening about it on on the facebook

44:58

page mom so i'm glad

45:00

you realize , and just

45:02

brought it up because i was never even been

45:04

acknowledged that other interviews this of he covers

45:06

it already but that's why i brought it up because

45:08

i realized it ah ah

45:11

about on that on the will of us are

45:14

getting that we haven't talked about that was there

45:16

oh my goodness okay i'm

45:18

or it regarding

45:20

more interviews caroline

45:22

is one during i'm sure the answer's

45:25

yes but there have there been attempts your

45:27

attempts to contact hobby or jacob

45:31

if not you know i did i'm

45:33

trying to think bag was last year it

45:35

did make make an attempt for jacob i definitely

45:38

did the hobby year and hobby

45:40

years dad and i know for a fact i had

45:42

the right phone number of rob years bad when i

45:45

left messages for him and as i've never heard anything

45:47

back

45:49

hilarious as we've heard three of supposed

45:51

for all the interviews can we have the fourth

45:53

and some form and

45:56

a lot of people like me who

45:58

i think would love some

45:59

sort of and need is a scare off can be

46:02

read or generate a listener generated or is lists

46:04

are generated said redux that's thinking about say

46:06

spoken paper but a

46:09

master list of like when each

46:11

interview happened so that if for example

46:13

someone wanted to go back and listen to the

46:15

interviews in the chronological order that they happen

46:17

from the day that bow and

46:19

harvey are talking on day one

46:22

i'm following the murder at all the way down

46:24

till the very latest interview and that

46:26

might be really interesting just the kind of help us keep

46:28

in my

46:29

and who knows what when and how much time

46:31

has passed a better somebody's listening

46:33

that on the facebook page that codes but

46:36

something like that together i'm just

46:38

going through and listen to the date on sep from those interviews

46:41

as far as the question about hub years and abuser you have

46:44

the i think you've rome so there's as interview at the scene

46:48

then what was the eighteenth and than

46:50

the twenty fifth we have is

46:52

full interview then

46:54

there were the two interviews where

46:57

they went to his work

46:58

they were trying to get him to do a polygraph

47:01

i got one of those interviews was

47:03

the same as the full interview

47:05

i thought we had audio were

47:07

we

47:07

the like hot on

47:09

the and and then you release you said if you've already listened

47:11

to this part you can fast forward like ten

47:13

minutes

47:14

that you'll give you the rest of the interview that

47:17

when you found a video though you realize oh we

47:19

do have this whole interview but first you had

47:21

only sound the audio and saw a cut off

47:23

very abruptly when you have the hobby was just going into

47:26

the chain of events so is our needy

47:28

you ever are only three interviews

47:30

and were any just

47:31

like know there's there's for i thought

47:33

i played for of a maybe i didn't because one of them

47:36

there's to whether at his work

47:38

not in the police asian there's to time for their at

47:40

his work they're trying to get him to do a polygraph

47:43

i thought i play both of those maybe it is a

47:45

small one of those

47:47

or maybe the second maybe the maybe

47:49

there is an audio for the second a views

47:52

as report but it was as the series that it's

47:54

a all it is

47:55

is the officer

47:58

ray will i think it was leclaire try

48:00

to talk him into do and a polygraph the

48:02

and and is the it it was

48:04

legacy ill will your dad doesn't want to

48:06

do but do you want to do it it is like a it

48:08

as there's no like information

48:11

given it's just them harassing

48:13

him about doing the polygraph

48:16

is there any more interviews the have any confirmation

48:18

of have years behavior afterwards that's

48:20

a big question i yes

48:22

okay because i know we've heard a couple times we've heard about

48:24

a car accident where he totaled car now

48:26

we've heard that you know the story about

48:28

it was so bad the drugs he smiled and no one could talk

48:31

to him but he seemed at

48:33

this point they're kind of isolated stories yeah

48:35

those are any clear his confirmation coming that some

48:38

of this is the i'll say this week's interview

48:40

which again is like i said i didn't want to do more

48:42

interviews but they i like it and

48:44

i know there's like a like others have a huge majority

48:46

of people that are that that are digging what we're

48:48

doing and are like in the interview so they can they

48:50

can be fully investigating but i also know there's

48:52

people that are like dude i'm sick of listening to police

48:55

interviews

48:56

in and this one

48:59

that i'm playing this he was like what it is a good

49:01

it answers those questions the

49:04

pies a bunch of stuff together

49:06

it is it is one

49:08

of the most i think honest interviews

49:10

that we've heard that coming

49:12

up this with this weekend in a in any get

49:14

a lot of that so it's it kind of

49:17

a nice summary of what we've heard the

49:19

park is yeah we've heard he got so heavy the drugs

49:21

and own can hang out with him

49:23

pretty wrecked car he already moved away

49:26

the right afterwards so but yeah

49:28

there's there's there's more that coming this

49:30

a little more clear i think

49:32

rock with and what about bob

49:34

in the chat says there is a

49:37

sounds like there's an error on the master

49:39

call logs form or something there's

49:41

a call this out of order and it's either a typo

49:43

or is in the wrong spot

49:45

that i don't actually to call the saga is the

49:48

calls

49:49

i need to i five fixed

49:52

because i got confused by

49:54

at a the what it what it's it's right when there's

49:56

the the for calls from

49:58

jacob and austin's land line to jacob

50:00

cell phone okay when i went back

50:03

to and i was and i went back in once i figured i

50:05

would that number was and i input

50:07

that i realize i'm like wait a minute is it's

50:09

like one authors

50:11

at like

50:12

ever was like six fifty four

50:14

the call and then the next one says at six forty

50:17

six when i don't know why i had that one

50:19

down there and thought i had six that i

50:21

can't tell ya top of my head which one is

50:23

correct but it will beat are working on a new

50:25

arm or one of our one of our listeners

50:28

there that i've i've done some

50:30

work or than i trust a lot i have i

50:32

have finally delegated putting

50:35

out getting together a masseur call all

50:37

that is that is that putting names and

50:39

phone numbers and is doing a much bigger rain

50:42

there's going to be a new master

50:44

call this coming out pretty soon from

50:47

there will be an exile format because apparently i'm

50:49

a luddite for using word when i did as

50:52

a suspect but ah

50:54

so there's a whole new uncommon now that's gonna spend

50:56

more time i don't know there's

50:58

listener wants their names yards on going to share it

51:00

now but they are if they if they tell me they do

51:03

the knowledge you know who's doing it because are

51:05

doing a ton of work during

51:07

the stuff done has been lot of back and forth so

51:09

they'll be a new color come out little have that correct and to

51:11

but also keep an eye on like the

51:14

facebook as when i get off this recording

51:16

i'll look and see which is weird because

51:18

my i remember specifically that as

51:20

you can i remember like going

51:22

through the records to fix it and then appellate

51:25

and sense of on the master

51:26

laughing at it and mystery list

51:29

or who's doing that you're a hero we love you ah

51:31

and i'm just say side note this very gossipy

51:33

bet i bet teresa is really curious

51:36

if we ever find out what those three calls

51:38

to jacob are right before he

51:40

called lucky sell on the night of the murder then

51:43

as i remember that comment from ages ago

51:46

and i've had tucked up here since ah

51:49

that was me pointing at my head i realized that as audio

51:52

ah okay rebecca after

51:53

the time over of before you have a question

51:55

yeah i'm sitting so much shade thrown

51:58

at me in this fab for use the

52:00

word and i was asleep

52:03

there's a there's a legitimate reason

52:05

that i used microsoft word in

52:07

the tables and the reason is

52:09

because i wanted type stuff like

52:12

that like explanations for things in

52:15

it so that when i was i

52:17

could then convert to a pdf to

52:19

posted and i don't know if you can

52:21

do that on xl said i

52:24

don't know how and i know how to

52:26

on word so the

52:29

, seater looking

52:31

written back to to see what his

52:33

the accident it's a dream of doing takes

52:35

over there to be like let's acting that of is

52:37

full of shrapnel of word smack my hair

52:40

zoos word of

52:42

a minister sorry

52:45

i didn't mean and are fucking i knew the

52:47

respond to that critical critical

52:49

com sure

52:50

do need to click i can't my

52:52

you click click click for that i i don't remember

52:54

i for logging that a it was like oh right

52:57

ah okay great ah rebecca ssd

52:59

you have any recordings or transcripts of tim

53:02

summer lee's interview or any on seen interviews

53:04

of people at the scene that day

53:06

besides

53:07

that we've already heard

53:09

there's a few more

53:11

what i'm going through because we're able to get we're going to get into

53:14

more about john and vicky if

53:16

i found more interviews from my people

53:19

from the neighborhood that we're kind of around that

53:21

morning so that those those will become

53:23

a lot more but as a little bit

53:26

chris a this is last week i'm

53:29

also were speaking about master list or

53:31

who by the way said very nice things about the podcast

53:33

i just am cut it out for time but says

53:35

i was wondering if you have a master list

53:37

of names of everyone who was interviewed

53:40

for this case at a police

53:42

no the down

53:44

that would be super handy and i would be able to

53:46

answer questions lot better if they included something

53:48

like that in the case file the what

53:50

i have is like a pdf file

53:53

that is fake the thousand

53:55

pages long and contains the

53:57

or a hundred interviews a error

54:00

reports in at the you're gonna like scroll

54:02

through and separate in

54:04

i'd like to like when someone who's asking about the

54:07

people that were at the scene the reason why i've

54:09

come across as later as as time goes by

54:11

when i have three minutes i'm like listening to everything

54:13

and reading they do like names

54:15

that i've never heard that have no connection

54:17

like i have no idea who these people are

54:19

and when i get a minute i'll listen to it or read

54:21

it my oh that and i have like

54:24

lot of i have yellow no pads over

54:26

my dad like oh this person is

54:28

vicky friend who worked with her

54:30

and this person was a neighbor who came up to

54:32

the scene that they said now then

54:34

a novelist people are a number in a break the but now

54:36

there's no lights there's no matter without

54:39

been sweet if there was light one

54:41

page the beginning of the file is that here's

54:43

all the people and here's their interviews and that is the page

54:45

numbers now that would be super sweet

54:48

but that's not the case

54:49

talk about

54:50

peters ah and then finally

54:52

we have from cat w what interviews

54:55

or love to hear from the friend group the second

54:57

interview

54:58

claire

54:59

the second interview

55:01

for now

55:04

it's almost like i know what's

55:06

coming up the

55:08

ah yes ah

55:10

there is another interview with clear that are the go through

55:13

and i you their put out as a bonus or

55:16

com or as a as a main depending

55:18

on how things shake out of the next next several

55:20

weeks but this weekend's

55:22

interview the episode

55:25

is a may have two thousand

55:27

and seven interview with bow national to fall

55:29

so we heard from bow the day

55:31

after the murders on the morning of

55:33

are like around noon that day on the crime scene

55:36

the two thousand and seven so but the same time

55:38

as as get henry and alex who lawn and these people

55:41

the circle back to bow and it

55:43

is for me if you're

55:45

if you're like you're in this information gathering

55:47

mode like i am it is a

55:49

fantastic interview it's packed

55:52

full of information i don't know why

55:54

and i can be totally off base here i

55:57

really like both when i hear they might like the

55:59

the interview

56:01

the seems to be comes across the me is extremely

56:03

honest that doesn't to be worried

56:06

about anything he's a searing facts he

56:08

sharing his own person first hand information

56:10

that he covers a lot of different angles

56:13

sums up some the said you were talking about zach

56:15

years as there's a lot of info ah

56:17

that says can be coming out his interview

56:19

and two days on sunday and we

56:21

hear from bow nash and is may

56:24

two thousand seven follow up in all

56:26

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56:29

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