0:33

the only approaching the end of our deep

0:36

dive into javier jacob

0:38

and their circle of friends

0:40

some of you have been loving all of the interviews

0:42

and the information that they provided some

0:45

of you just mumbled the yourself it's about damn

0:47

time either way or almost

0:49

the end of the road the

0:51

focus is on jacobs roommate often

0:54

albums i want to point

0:56

out right up front that i did reach out

0:58

to all sins request an interview

1:00

i was able to see that he saw the message but

1:02

chose not to reply that

1:05

being said i'm gonna try to give you the best

1:07

of both worlds today was gonna result

1:09

in a really long episode i'm

1:13

gonna play for you the entire interview

1:15

that i mentioned a few weeks ago when with

1:17

the music playing in the background it

1:19

falls under the incidental inclusion

1:21

exception of copyright laws so

1:24

i'm told by my attorneys the we're all good there

1:26

that being said the interview is

1:28

tough to hear it it being

1:31

recorded out on a dark it a river

1:33

sidebar see have music

1:35

and the occasional boat motors that are really

1:37

irritated there , a few times

1:39

with the interview had to stop for over a minute

1:42

because i'm one of the boats i tried

1:44

to use those moments to pick our placement

1:46

for ad breaks to keep up with the blow the interview

1:49

for because the poor sound quality and

1:51

the fact that some of you are just tired of listening to

1:53

interviews i'm going to start off by breaking

1:55

down the report written by the officers and

1:57

giving you my two cents on what will actually

1:59

be three interviews before i play austin's

2:02

the you can get that he'll be are without

2:04

listening to the entire interview unfortunately

2:08

i have not located a transcript of

2:10

this interview all , have on the file

2:12

is a report irritating

2:14

but irritating is what it is vol give you the break

2:17

down and then if you wanna

2:19

hear the full interview fly that afterwards

2:22

the here we go this season

2:24

twelve episode twenty five the

2:26

road the often album

2:45

it wasn't easy for the riverside cold case

2:47

team to track down on and album and two thousand

2:49

and fifteen in fact he and jacob

2:51

both proved to be difficult to get ahold of we'll

2:54

talk more about jacob next week the

2:57

journey starts out on the days following

2:59

the murderers you remember

3:01

hearing orson shorts and abrupt or

3:03

minute interview from two thousand and six and

3:06

we don't know much about that interview the

3:09

report says a detective i got was assigned

3:11

of the case on september nineteenth two

3:13

days after the murders

3:14

this is it a quote conducted numerous

3:17

interviews of neighbors friends and coworkers

3:19

over the next several days and com

3:22

now however say which day he

3:24

interviewed austin the only clue

3:26

we get is that he asks austin what

3:28

he was doing quote last weekend

3:31

after that short interview austin just

3:33

disappears from the case file later

3:36

hobby or tell the clear that austin sort of

3:38

a back his work and argued with or and created

3:41

a seen the night before the murders than

3:43

a few months after that just get henry's years

3:45

her concerns about album the police and

3:47

in may of two thousand and seven alex launchers

3:50

his concerns about austin including

3:52

the interaction of the mall for austin allegedly

3:54

said quote you want me to take care

3:56

of her you know what happened to the last bit i

3:59

did like none of this apparently

4:01

instead the to detect as because they didn't make

4:03

any attempt to interview alba again for

4:05

nine years not

4:07

until robert christian had been arrested indicted

4:10

and then had their charges dropped this

4:13

point two thousand and fifteen a new

4:15

set of investigators had taken over the case

4:18

from what we here in another interview jacob santiago

4:20

brother they say that their purpose

4:23

and conducting these follow up interviews is

4:25

to ensure that if they recharge robert

4:27

and christian the defense can't

4:29

make the argument but they never followed up

4:32

because my goals

4:34

the format this episode so that everyone

4:37

doesn't have to listen to the actual interview i'm

4:39

gonna jump ahead a bed and work my way

4:41

back to austin the want

4:43

to put the information about the follow interviews

4:45

at the end because then the both

4:47

the don't want to listen to it will miss all those details

4:51

we're going to jump in the truth and justice time machine

4:53

and scoot forward just a couple of months

4:56

after awesome did his interview

5:03

the legally same figured out

5:05

a cool down effect right there and you're all deeply

5:07

into the moment now the

5:09

austin was interviewed on march twenty seventh

5:11

of twenty fifteen in

5:13

an interview he gives the detectives the name

5:16

of the mystery brand that he was hanging out with

5:18

on the night of the murders you

5:20

don't remember back when our son was originally

5:22

interviewed he told the detective that he

5:24

was hanging out with a friend from him at that weekend

5:27

that he took him home sunday evening and he

5:29

got home around two am and i

5:31

gills never even asked him the friend's

5:33

name what did i give harvey wanted

5:35

the colgate investigators and luckily

5:37

did ask him and twenty fifteen we

5:40

learned the friend's name is chris church

5:43

the let's jump to august eleventh

5:45

two thousand and fifteen about

5:47

five months after detectives harvey in coal

5:49

interviewed all here

5:52

we have detective harvey and district attorney investigator

5:54

bodmer reaching out to mr church here

5:57

for the first time it appears that are actually

5:59

the trying to verify austin's alibi

6:02

whereas up to this point seems like austin's

6:04

purpose was only to determine if jacob

6:07

had an alibi unfortunately

6:09

this is the first contact least make with

6:12

church and it's about eight and a half years

6:14

too late you don't remember much

6:17

cursor shown a picture of austin any immediately

6:19

identified the the back

6:21

in two thousand and six he an awesome used to drive

6:23

the local casinos as well as the arizona

6:25

and nevada to visit a mutual friend

6:27

named paris bird who lived in bullhead city

6:30

arizona we continue to say

6:32

that he had only ever been to also department

6:34

one time he doesn't recall

6:36

any details on the also doesn't recall spending

6:38

the night of the apartment but again songs

6:40

nine years later at this point and

6:43

this is the first time first police have ever spoken to

6:45

him he also explain that

6:47

also had never mentioned to him that

6:49

jacobs roommate died so he

6:51

had no reason to ever think about

6:53

that weaker you don't

6:55

know that on september thirtieth of two thousand

6:57

and six he moved to pennsylvania and

6:59

he had minimal contact with awesome after that

7:02

and that was it it was neat are able

7:04

to confirm or deny austin's

7:07

alibi nine years after

7:09

the fact

7:16

about a month later harvey and bodmer were able

7:18

to track down paris bird and bullhead city

7:20

arizona the seems

7:22

like it was a pointless effort nine years

7:24

later finally asking about an alibi in

7:27

iraq that gives are trying

7:29

to get people to confirm an alibi for a crime

7:31

they didn't know about nearly a decade after

7:33

it happened there's explains

7:36

that she used to live in hammett and her boyfriend

7:38

randy was friends with austin she

7:40

herself was friends with christians the

7:43

two thousand and five she and randy move arizona

7:45

and she confirms that on occasion austin them chris

7:48

would come to visit her randy however

7:50

she said that she does not recall any times and awesome

7:52

and chris came to visit her together that

7:55

she's really not much help at all basically

7:58

he says he would come visit sometime

7:59

the

8:00

he doesn't think it was would chris but she's not positive

8:03

about that the never heard anything

8:05

about the murders or she couldn't say one where the

8:07

other if awesome had visitor on that particular

8:09

weekend the only reason

8:11

that she was partly investigation at all the

8:13

guardian all sins interview back in march of that

8:16

year they don't believe that he thought

8:18

that he increase had gone to visit her a day

8:20

or two before the triple homicide would

8:22

that would go back to march

8:25

twenty fifth teens the few months prior

8:32

like i said in the intro this episode gonna

8:34

play austin's interview in for the

8:37

boy do that let me break it down for you from the report

8:39

and just for my own insights

8:42

the person the jumped out mean this interview was

8:44

well the like the entire tone of it

8:47

though when we heard from austin a few days after

8:49

the murder see said that equal barely

8:51

knew back you can completely

8:54

disinterested in the entire process we've

8:57

also heard from literally every one that was

8:59

asked to austin absolutely

9:01

hated becky and even allegedly

9:04

joke saying you know what happened to

9:06

the last bit i didn't like well

9:08

in this interview it's a completely

9:10

different story now he says

9:12

that he mbeki were friends waivers

9:15

a little on that later in the interview saying the relationship

9:17

was just all right but the

9:19

overall theme was that they got along

9:22

just fine even considering

9:24

the fact that he says that he was kind of annoyed

9:26

that she would always be at the apartment but didn't help

9:28

pay any bills another thing

9:30

that i found interesting the also

9:32

appears to have kept up with the investigation

9:35

the knows a lot of details

9:38

including what car but he drove

9:40

the fact that it was actually her sisters car

9:43

the new robert and christian had been arrested

9:45

and the charges have been dropped the know

9:47

what you're getting all this from the local news

9:49

this time he was living in lake have a zoo

9:52

arizona it worked as a

9:54

contractor for the department of defense and have

9:56

been living overseas for a chuckle the time

9:58

of the murders the united in tackle

10:00

jacob anymore he had spoken with him

10:02

and over three years of this point it

10:04

he still keeps tabs on the investigation the

10:07

elementary you and you also hear

10:09

the end of the interview if you choose the listen

10:12

the detective harvey deploys a classic

10:14

f b i interrogation technique the

10:17

asks austin what he's saying should

10:19

happen to the people who did this b

10:22

i agents are taught to use this technique

10:24

because usually a

10:26

guilty person typically go

10:28

easy on the killer in

10:30

most cases of the person is guilty they're not

10:32

going to answer that question with they should get

10:34

the chair or execute them or

10:37

thrown away for life haunted

10:40

response is interesting i'm paraphrasing

10:42

you'll hear it in the actual interview but

10:44

he's has something to the extent of they

10:47

get their day in court the should get a fair

10:49

trial though i mean

10:51

take that for what you will for

10:53

me as someone who studies interrogation

10:55

techniques in their results

10:58

are definitely found it interesting

11:03

the more get to the police report i want to share

11:05

with you something that was brought to my attention just a

11:07

couple of weeks ago the first time we

11:10

played awesome two thousand and interviews madison

11:12

we contacted by someone

11:15

who knows him or knew him personally

11:18

can't really say much more than that importantly

11:21

this person will not go on the records why

11:23

can't share any details one

11:25

because this person is genuinely afraid

11:27

of austin the do because the details

11:30

will give away who the source is what

11:32

i can tell you is this this

11:35

source has verifiable details which confirmed

11:38

me that they did or do

11:40

in fact no austin alba they

11:43

reached out because they've been a listener for a long

11:45

time and when they heard his name would

11:47

send shivers down the spine the

11:50

basics of what they told me as this is is all

11:52

i can really share the know

11:54

or knew him very well and they

11:56

were terrified of them before they ever

11:59

heard his name mentioned on this podcast

12:02

their opinion from what they told me as

12:04

an adult austin is a scary

12:07

do we should get tell

12:09

you mourn i wish i could get austin side

12:11

of the story they mentioned he declined

12:13

to respond to my request for an interview the

12:15

trying to give you everything and read lady you was

12:18

been brought into me of do that

12:20

whatever you will

12:23

that was get into the actual report written by

12:25

detective harvey the

12:28

road dawson was a little tricky they

12:31

don't address for him and joshua tree california

12:34

i'm saying that i suppose i should probably give you a little

12:37

bit of a geography lesson is you don't know

12:39

southern california very well the

12:41

palm springs which is like a cello valley

12:43

is located about a two hour drive

12:45

east for melee least that's what i'm told

12:47

i've never actually driven joshua

12:50

tree is located north east

12:52

of palm springs looks to be about

12:54

a thirty minute drive herself from what i'm seeing on the

12:56

map the between palm

12:58

springs and twenty nine palms would have

13:00

where the marine base is located that

13:03

that was the first opera harvey the

13:05

got to be addressed the are the house was unoccupied

13:08

the neighbors the mound so they believed us and still

13:11

own the house but he hadn't lived there for

13:13

three years he was currently renting

13:15

it out the harvey as

13:17

the neighbors about austin and they said they were

13:19

friends with them and that he was quote

13:21

sure charismatic and entertaining

13:24

what would a somewhat abrasive personality

13:27

and a mouse that got him into trouble and

13:30

from there that attackers moved on the lake have

13:32

a sioux city arizona to what they

13:34

thought was austin's address like

13:37

habits you city is about two and a half hour

13:39

drive east of joshua tree or

13:42

about three hours east of palm springs

13:44

though you were wondering how they're in california

13:47

and arizona about a three hour

13:49

drive from riverside county outer the arizona

13:51

border when they got

13:53

there they found a couple who own the home don't

13:56

harvey that awesome had been living than a trailer

13:59

in their backyard for the months the

14:01

left about three weeks earlier the

14:03

couple then put harvey in contact with all sins

14:05

dad who lived in parker arizona then

14:09

after a phone call the detectors relocated

14:11

the parker talk to mister album

14:13

who gave them often cell phone number and

14:15

we're almost there that you

14:17

coal called austin and left a voicemail

14:20

the didn't get a response within austin's

14:22

mom called him and relayed to harvey

14:24

and call that they could meet austin where he was

14:27

at the time fox's are

14:29

v resort

14:32

these

14:34

are the main bullet points from the report the

14:37

interview took place at the resorts floating

14:39

dock bar often was

14:41

drinking a non alcoholic beer and

14:43

he told detectives that he had no new information

14:46

but that he had kept up with the case and was aware

14:48

that arrests had been made that

14:50

he's never met robert or christian these

14:54

are that he never been to back his house what

14:56

he wants partied around a fire pit with javier

14:58

and co nash about a mile from the house

15:00

before but he was murdered the

15:03

described jacob and becky as being

15:05

in the honeymoon phase of their relationship and

15:07

becky was killed an often said

15:09

that hobby or mbeki had a great relationship

15:12

they were best friends although

15:15

that a hobby and his friends would come over to the apartment

15:17

and they all got along well the

15:20

very considered becky a friend when

15:22

she was at the apartment javier he

15:24

would you say go to his room or go hang

15:26

out with his other friends often

15:28

does here confirmed that he owned a

15:30

shotgun at the time of an before

15:32

the murders and that he would occasionally

15:35

show to people but he said that he would never threaten

15:37

the one with it so we have some legs

15:39

to nyc crumb story that says that he had the shotgun

15:41

under the bed and he showed it to him i'll

15:44

let him to be confirmed by austin in his interview

15:47

the next is what i find to be the most frustrating

15:50

part of the entire interview so

15:53

let me refresh your memory on what

15:55

harvey and coal new from the file

15:57

before they did the scenario

16:00

they knew that austin had said

16:02

that the weekend of the murders he was hanging out

16:04

in town with this friend who we now know was

16:06

chris church and they knew

16:08

that javier told the police that

16:10

on the saturday before the murders austin

16:13

confronted becky a denny's and got

16:15

into an argument and made a big enough seen

16:17

that the manager had to make him leave him

16:19

to lot a report on the internet the

16:22

people in the front of your mind these

16:24

officers new this when they went

16:26

into the interview remember that

16:29

what i tell you that in this interview also

16:32

tells investigators that are

16:34

put it right from the report quote

16:36

the same becky a few days

16:38

before she was murdered when see him a friend

16:41

died at denny's were patch worked

16:43

in quote though

16:45

be a think they followed up with oh

16:48

did you get into an argument with her that night of

16:51

course not no follow up at all not

16:53

even mention of the argue it

16:56

just remind you all maggie only

16:58

works saturday and sunday nights so

17:00

a few days before couldn't be

17:02

like thursday it had

17:04

to be saturday which means chris

17:07

church was the friend that was with them and

17:09

again saturday as the night that

17:11

hobby says that austin was a denny's

17:13

arguing with becky the neither

17:15

austin or chris were even

17:18

asked about the incident

17:25

austin didn't remember much about the week that

17:28

he might have been in laughlin with chris which

17:30

is why christen and paris were contacted

17:32

later not super helpful

17:34

regarding recall of what happened

17:36

than those couple of days or our

17:39

the things you remember something about jacob being imposed

17:41

amazing they don't remember what

17:43

time he or jacob got home sunday night

17:45

which courses understandable same half

17:47

years later then we get kind of an

17:49

interesting take on jacob baggies relationship

17:53

the often says the jacob had been worried

17:55

that weekend because he had been unable to contact

17:57

becky for a couple of days the

17:59

the talks about how jacob was really

18:02

tore up about becky die obviously

18:05

expected but it definitely doesn't

18:07

seem to match up with the jacob the we heard

18:09

in his police interview remember

18:11

you seem very nonchalant about the whole

18:13

thing and he even said that it

18:15

was harder on hobby year because he himself

18:18

at only know becky for a couple months when she was

18:20

killed according to almost and he was

18:22

really tore up and then moved away the san

18:24

diego that he was there for six

18:27

years wasn't till two thousand and twelve when he

18:29

came back to the valley which would be the

18:31

last and the awesome says he spoke with jake in

18:33

two thousand and twelve the three years

18:35

before this interview

18:40

often also confirmed that he at one point did in fact

18:42

drive a crown victoria the car

18:45

the just get henry said she saw the gas cans

18:47

of the sutherland when he was and

18:49

about that incident awesome tried to and

18:51

the interview he denied it

18:53

and said he could see where this was going any was gonna

18:55

put a stop to the questioning the detectives

18:57

were able to convince him to keep talking though

19:00

he denied that have any also denied saying

19:02

that he was glad the becky was dead and that

19:04

he hated her

19:06

that quote no i don't understand

19:08

that that sounds weird i wouldn't

19:10

say it anyway and

19:13

that's a get a little bit of insight into bow

19:15

saying that he had heard that robert and christian

19:18

were white supremacists the

19:20

like basically everything we here in

19:22

this case source appears to

19:24

all go back to one place the

19:27

year the report

19:29

quote

19:30

author said he heard from either

19:32

hobby or garcia or jacob santiago

19:35

after the murders

19:36

the pay it was a white supremacists

19:39

austin deducted that it would be logical the

19:41

paper killed becky for dating jacob

19:43

a puerto rican

19:45

in quotes i

19:47

think likely came from javier even though

19:49

he says happier and jacob because

19:51

jacob didn't know robert or

19:54

christian never madam the

19:56

really doesn't matter if he knew them

19:58

since from everything i've seen in the

20:00

idea of them being white supremacists has no

20:02

basis in reality by

20:04

, said in the follow up on friday both

20:07

men are married women who are not white

20:09

and robert was dating a mixed race girl

20:11

at the time of the murders murders only

20:13

nothing to confirm this all we

20:16

have is that both heard from someone

20:18

i guess hobby here and now austin

20:20

heard it from sounds like hobby

20:23

or jacob the whole

20:25

white supremacists thing appears to be just

20:27

another rumor into traced right

20:29

back to javier who is also

20:32

not white and who by all

20:34

accounts was roberts friend leading

20:36

up to all of us

20:42

the conclusion of the interview detective harvey

20:44

ass austin if you will be willing to take a polygraph

20:47

austin promptly agree before

20:50

you as know just

20:52

like everyone else austin never

20:54

took a polygraph that

20:56

was in the last time we hear from him well

20:59

last time we hear from him the

21:02

report says that after the interview concluded

21:05

harvey called us and on a cellphone

21:07

and asked if he could get a dna sample from

21:09

him to eliminate him from any suspicion

21:13

alba refuse to stating quote

21:15

the dna pounds

21:25

so that the basic

21:27

breakdown of the interview that's

21:30

all you were looking for feel free to sign off

21:32

here and we'll talk all about it and the bride

21:34

a follow up but you want to

21:36

actually hear what austin had to say when

21:38

i hear the tone in his voice and the exact words

21:41

that he chose keep listening

21:43

we've got another forty five minutes to go

21:46

right after this

22:01

friday march twenty seven seas

22:04

as the city of us get a call investigator harvey

22:06

out at fox's

22:07

our to speak with austin

22:09

alba

22:24

oh

22:27

very familiar with

22:56

the problem is bar

23:04

hi my he

23:10

was

23:10

and an hour ago

23:27

hobbies are

23:29

whenever

23:35

our student separated

23:38

so you're aware of the thing

23:45

where's your workers

23:56

you may happen sooner or later

23:58

that entails

24:04

anders are adhered to in an

24:06

enterprise environment or national security

24:09

and other types of network

24:12

dealing with litter ,

24:15

oh army navy air

24:17

force marine all the

24:19

above

24:22

when you know there are some they

24:37

wouldn't know

24:46

knowing that would your life is all right

24:48

now

24:48

the royals and relax that was

24:51

her idea who you're talking the list

24:54

are you staring out location

25:01

the game or a little feel

25:04

about why we were here and ,

25:06

willing to back in o six

25:09

six , so

25:12

knowing that we're here talking to

25:14

about that are you feel about is hop

25:16

into about com

25:21

the bible eisenhower resurrecting

25:24

this interview is anti consumer

25:26

i honestly have kept up with the case for a long

25:28

time and i really hope he

25:30

does now they see that i've

25:34

, finding out my

25:40

know hopefully i brought know really don't

25:42

have anything

25:52

how about half of the things

25:56

that i

26:01

and we got

26:04

, own opinion and know

26:07

reading the news that i don't really know if not fully

26:10

tv i mean much to reopen

26:13

to disappoint when you say you

26:16

settle down the guys feel

26:19

about i

26:28

knew about it was more ,

26:30

modern whoa man that

26:32

was

26:41

now there are some many animals

26:43

in one room in non the merlin

27:02

no one eleven was the

27:05

, time ever in as a genius

27:10

me hobby hear or

27:12

see if

27:20

mcmillan

27:25

that we , out with

27:27

rolando go middle

27:31

my okay cool new grandmother was never

27:35

really met anybody on the see new feel

27:38

really enjoy news on her life was

27:41

her mom i'm fine and

27:43

her sister letting her borrow her

27:45

little box i

27:53

know it's been years now

27:59

i just recited the rather

28:02

, depicting yeah

28:08

sure honestly i sure honestly this perfect members

28:10

okay whatever i can do why don't you

28:12

just because it's one thing for us

28:15

to read the reports okay

28:17

and you get and you know how it goes you read a book

28:20

and you start to know your kind of incorporate what

28:22

you mean the characters are you

28:24

were there okay to some right

28:27

and what i mean by that is the circle

28:29

is people that

28:31

money of far as those

28:34

who who's far in the zoo wee

28:39

how who were first introduced to these

28:42

, and how first came to to

28:45

the ultimate in how home

28:48

the only thing i recall was

28:52

hobby was a cool dude and they

28:54

had agree very gray and being cool

28:59

jacob to being

29:01

hung out of my hobbies come a long

29:03

time never had an issue

29:06

with him ever his friends even showed

29:08

up at my house every now and then

29:10

we have little parties are so how

29:12

did you and how did you and jacoby

29:16

[unk] over costa county

29:20

to county so

29:25

that we were just had his little tiny little group

29:28

not really like close or anything like you do

29:30

every single thing together of i mean jacob roommates

29:33

so every now and then every

29:36

now and then single go together a party at the age it can be

29:38

going to do that no hobbies hang

29:41

out and then i'm

29:45

and realistically

29:48

everybody that i knew in my personal

29:52

nobody had any issues with anybody whatsoever

29:54

the only time

30:02

i didn't have any

30:11

always

30:13

i soon

30:23

the way you know

30:25

you with table in remember

30:28

the maiming the maiming own

30:56

nine

31:00

and reminisce or

31:04

roommates an

31:15

item is correct or where they an item

31:17

removed as you rely on another in

31:20

, long them or even and her her

31:23

were friends remain more than men

31:27

are to hang out in the hang out far as i know

31:29

he met her

31:33

i think they they had broken up

31:35

we have a navy seal sex

31:37

toys for a second maybe

31:40

, why they got here the finally finally

31:43

how and less

31:45

by the release of success release of

31:49

vehicles and there

31:53

always will ever very chill

31:55

six a very common

31:59

he he was always classy

32:02

, sorry sorry

32:05

know we always dealt with my name's going to

32:07

go to college i'm gonna work i'm

32:09

going i'm hang out to becky

32:12

he's always invite very individual

32:15

used to keep up with jacob never

32:18

now and then as

32:21

long as jacob bit years of bit stopped couple of years

32:23

they spend like a thoughtful was just

32:26

reach out for me facebook how do you guys actually

32:28

i went back to

32:32

then i went now

32:41

automobile around down there are

32:45

, degree of yeah that'll , he

32:48

lived

32:55

that you've got to give an idea

32:59

you're really

33:02

hours

33:05

they would all right i mean they

33:08

, alive so so

33:10

moving to hear more

33:13

than i am

33:19

not know brown and

33:23

what about your relationship

33:38

the dark when a man i mean when she got

33:40

murdered sorry i haven't heard from him as

33:42

that i think , saw one night

33:45

night , soon

33:47

yards i think that so licenses disappear

33:49

he did a mood of sacramento or as sacramento remember

33:53

know hide nor hair define us on

33:55

inches shorter

34:01

okay so

34:04

nothing new as a positive jacob parted

34:07

, with some time you you

34:10

to san diego get our house

34:16

is how did you say that our had of them were

34:20

your they are your were that they weren't there so

34:22

we i mean he didn't know

34:24

you married or as didn't know it's weird

34:28

some well not really

34:31

tell you feel that lines

34:34

ever coming from

34:36

your observations will reimburse the

34:38

was the only thing that will remember about

34:40

will specific moment my own

34:43

time i saw him being very sad microwave

34:48

or not very methodical cel

34:51

nord you blueberry muffins

34:53

on is like know that your

34:59

side the

35:04

nerves did you move on to

35:06

, it was short after but i don't remember

35:08

the timeline specifically within

35:10

six months then the out guarantee

35:12

your salary salary long time

35:15

for the line in atlanta in and

35:17

you said that you did not know a

35:20

rubber paper smith the two guys are i never

35:22

met him that you're very much about them i

35:24

about i if i did meet him i

35:26

didn't know him were then i had no were

35:28

who i were always talk about

35:31

the the circle of always our closest kinda came

35:33

out of your apartment our guys

35:35

would came out of support anybody

35:38

else's different have would ,

35:41

wise there's also

35:45

no i mean

35:49

one her so am i evil

35:52

, i'm i'm an hour and

35:56

, for obvious

36:01

the my my undergraduate together

36:05

or , being young both both

36:08

, watch tv

36:10

watch movies tv the was

36:12

really supposed to

36:16

their house

36:28

or you know you read

36:31

my number one rule for he

36:33

wasn't really did

36:40

you ever been a fool ourselves herself

36:43

no way i

36:45

did you have their with remember

36:47

where are we to fire for me around

36:50

remember hobby or yeah was the same

36:52

as hobbies

36:56

friends for it as

37:00

soon as yeah sword was

37:05

you know his name is curtis yeah he had as little

37:07

as cia though he has

37:09

his name oh dear

37:15

to my car so that's

37:17

how we don't like

37:19

me like news stays

37:23

in your body realize it or up a

37:26

meeting here nor there but us yeah

37:29

we've we took off with him or party

37:31

both somebody else in

37:48

a long way i know you are in one area

37:50

next thing you know your by fire for the thing i was

37:56

, nov zoo out

37:58

here

37:59

how many ultimate why do i

38:02

don't really remember him

38:04

as as of people there

38:11

no hang out of

38:14

, desert a good idea has has

38:16

back then i did with did friend

38:19

of mine that and eventually that in real

38:23

estate moved for training would

38:26

have you were training , fool out

38:28

of the house but it was on actually appraisal yeah

38:35

i moved in with him for a short amount of time and then

38:37

i said hey it was pretty in the apartment back

38:39

when we didn't get that of arm and a for a safer for

38:41

the same yeah but it was very long take

38:45

, the golf san diego far as i remember remember

38:48

printer violent crime he

38:51

didn't know anybody at all answers all

38:53

never met never met any never them sooner

38:58

with schools in two minutes

39:10

yeah i mean

39:12

, don't know how

39:35

one was that i'm relationships among know

39:37

that the land

40:15

oh

40:22

you wanted out there you go to

40:26

remember

40:37

friday thursday

40:40

or back member contagious

40:48

the was happening you

40:51

remember him and are you in resolving

40:53

is as follows for sanders like our

40:55

schools were more

41:02

so than they were source and

41:04

or do

41:06

whatever they did and

41:09

little after work or do

41:36

the a rumored literally

41:39

, attain attain we

41:42

are all or ever

41:46

he was land

41:53

my main m the last time i remember

41:55

when at work when i went in any nine many

42:00

i'm in the new

42:02

and randomized

42:09

the remember the last time spent the night as a

42:11

for him

42:13

i really didn't like

42:16

know what they were doing

42:19

you they're relying

42:21

on monday know she's had a house

42:25

that would that them or i'm sorry that you

42:27

they're basically every

42:28

yeah that's why i like how on rules

42:31

you know superior

42:39

that i mean are either not

42:43

only thing only thing a had a mean

42:45

they're , first raised my

42:48

living their lives slow

42:50

leisurely those are going to see myself

42:53

in go in there and the defense and i

42:55

get definite the next year fade everyday

42:57

right the

43:01

divine living there

43:45

in an umbrella

43:50

another

43:54

thing a half

43:58

the

44:01

your body you

44:03

, some time time

44:05

home desert area the most optimal

44:07

walking on the more and then i believe

44:22

when you know

44:25

, because

44:27

was lonely

44:39

oh no

45:02

there have been killed

45:04

suicide days later how did it come

45:06

here to zero gen

45:09

fonseka directly and how did he hear

45:15

oh i know

45:38

the bomb remember coming home

45:40

with a was outside of remembrance day

45:43

that i do remember your

45:47

, oh

45:51

really

45:59

i

46:02

know i don't mean i

46:07

, my

46:10

cynicism

46:30

never

46:34

do that my resist or memory at all

46:37

i , i do remember

46:39

him saying as

46:44

a hobby i mean

46:47

, hasn't really do do

46:50

thing is when is kris

46:52

[unk] hain and are you guys hung

46:54

out with home this cd home you are

46:58

looking back home i was just that one night honest i don't

47:00

think it was he came over from him and i

47:02

think we had i long winters mean

47:05

him used to go off on all the go and

47:07

my buddy the the

47:09

time friend chris go

47:12

ahead really what

47:15

you best have remembered hanging out with your home

47:17

doesn't yeah i never seen as i didn't know

47:20

didn't yeah but

47:23

you wouldn't have spent the night didn't

47:26

, we did that one night because have came home

47:28

from i think what would that happened was

47:30

laughlin there and then we moved on to him would

47:35

have been even the same weekend where am i friggin air conditioner

47:39

in air little ahead and little was one hundred and nine

47:41

degrees my life i

47:49

don't

47:55

i know the

48:02

throughout why did

48:05

you , her say anything about see a new

48:07

boyfriend already been hearing santiago

48:09

say anything about about

48:11

say to finity ever say you know repeat

48:14

anything repeat he had that from

48:16

are you making any

48:19

remaining beforehand about the had any remaining

48:22

called unwrapped man

48:23

my know where there's issue and

48:25

all really sooner

48:28

than i was ever was writer

48:31

the

48:35

roommate so i'm sure that there was

48:37

some messaging about the magazines or to

48:39

be expect others and others had he had right

48:44

if you about white supremacy things like that

48:46

more have to the family rivers you hear that

48:48

from if you couldn't recall but one minute chocolate

48:50

is but you're reading on mean just

48:53

the whole new group of people i knew of

48:55

, where are

49:01

the only people in town that even newer were just people

49:03

that hang on

49:14

the original over

49:16

, soy sauce into the idea

49:18

of our

49:22

on the night that was my

49:25

to have those on sunday jan

49:27

obviously her about linux

49:30

or the days where

49:33

were you on sunday school

49:38

the hammer on what , you been

49:40

doing the name is i believe

49:42

in yeah yes over the next meeting on

49:46

monday know at work

49:49

or whatever work point little

49:53

bit of a matter of the work harder

49:55

than i was

50:02

roman you're probably right know i probably

50:04

deserve back on

50:07

saturday night with the bring my

50:09

friend back came back on sunday and

50:11

then with org on monday and

50:15

, courses in mississippi make sense

50:17

out of your remember listening

50:24

to force myself

50:28

to schools and hospitals

50:31

were home really remember

50:33

but more than likely based on the best saturn's

50:35

moons it was

50:39

over

50:47

how know where where , was

50:50

serve really don't remember

50:53

it would have been any reason they

50:55

on the next day i wouldn't ,

50:57

gone sour wouldn't have gone from were were

51:00

, i guess what i com yeah

51:02

, i were him i'd no anywhere

51:05

i would i'd sure my liability

51:07

shirt and i know what he was

51:09

a long time ago but he remembers a

51:11

six were you in school to

51:15

mine rates six weldon and work

51:17

from one do rates

51:20

remember how weldon out earlier my professional

51:26

like professional select screen to

51:28

buy one else

51:45

maybe

51:50

i don't recall that i say that the mets would have no

51:52

idea of a wide for sure yeah

51:57

they called right

52:00

and to visit an early days

52:02

when rather watch

52:08

, sherwin says

52:11

it is you

52:20

are

52:32

go to our together you

52:34

, we already had a motorbike

52:36

i i like

52:39

we didn't we a little we didn't come

52:41

we man that one moink

52:43

pounds so he went to school with

52:45

the classroom unasur went on to see

52:47

what was your life saving a long way through

52:49

school i just started already

52:53

for this incident

52:56

the

53:02

then we got them up and running around in the

53:05

mountains

53:10

on saturday morning

53:15

for most finance prefer

53:19

hot him

53:59

no

54:00

early

54:03

monday morning i wrote thirty hours

54:52

and we did it is up for weapons

54:55

exist or

54:57

, american idol know know

55:00

long have you have a forever when

55:02

you say forever we thought and like ten years old

55:06

don't

55:12

ever , those mostly it's always

55:14

been hunting rifles or

55:19

later of on

55:23

yeah

55:31

what the ago

55:38

he was brought on my sexual intercourse

55:40

that you actually people , you as

55:42

you got shot shot

55:46

maybe mornings in mornings a

55:50

maybe like let's say

55:52

you're going to say out on something

55:56

and you might have retaken

56:01

the editor love

56:04

, neighbor the saga so

56:06

other did

56:11

you guys are in a stadium about guns

56:13

l yeah now that was one of the main when we're talking

56:15

money and eleven you know com

56:19

my reports i read where is only is

56:23

remember the

56:31

remember maybe maybe , with the

56:33

girls or maybe you know high on meth

56:35

and let them know that that

56:38

there is something that you

56:40

know i came from arizona

56:43

they are

56:47

that was very

56:50

, sites

56:53

you're a lot of the heart of my

56:56

my , like room on it

57:00

that being in a while of more now has eroded

57:02

like wasn't sit on my guns

57:07

and many of my journey answered my

57:09

question was ,

57:11

answer was shot down over weapon

57:13

whatever was was a scary

57:17

thought

57:19

can against israel

57:21

other

57:26

in the working on will for know how

57:29

important

57:34

the runway for

57:39

monday and are anymore

57:43

the have an hour earlier

57:45

, on american hard to to

57:48

thirty get thirty lunchtime

57:51

hell literally friend summarize

57:53

doesn't oil is actually

57:55

summarize ordinance and i have none have a

57:57

drive

57:59

weird because i have gone

58:02

over and to read whatever

58:09

and for which ,

58:11

was that one that mobile mobile mobile

58:16

kind of mobile got from my that no

58:18

no no no the crown vic wasn't no one oh

58:22

mobile the underground and here in florida

58:33

martin i got

58:36

, crown of america

58:45

yours and ours

58:47

, lady is also

58:49

serve as well it

58:54

is noted in the south is your car

58:57

you have

59:02

right

59:06

what

59:11

it's , possible right right

59:14

on the room anyone okay so this

59:16

weird of is on the back of utah of

59:19

the marquis

59:21

my grocery store

59:25

happened you know said in her suggestions

59:29

as , them as an aside aside answer

59:31

to me to on the

59:33

back of my mother fucker man on fucker laid

59:39

out here what i'm working on my my now

59:41

is and know that didn't happen and

59:43

now on you as a sophisticated

59:45

i'd be where he had no no no no no no not

59:48

lewis's are completely not

59:50

accusatory man like isis places

59:53

on just clarifying places with

59:55

force so leonardo was

59:59

he

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1:00:04

really is a first time you've heard of us are are

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how does that make you make you

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1:01:06

my comments i've never heard of them for in

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1:01:11

last had actually half

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1:01:20

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your reaction was oh wait oh wait that come

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a genuine reaction correct array of

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to case somebody

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job i invested in people must have no node

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actor so so there you go run the same

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sensation on his

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mean is another line on out in

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for something that was a lot in any way to

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i mean how can that be a good added

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are going to get editing on my

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mind and one hundred percent in the room

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more like i said i didn't really speak on after

1:03:14

it it far as i remember do very

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emotional after the fact the i

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, him as

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far remember i know me news and

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that's why i never thought them anymore

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to see the so like and is only thing they had

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to deal with the

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runway for know obviously neither even

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as a and i just heard him as an exploit and

1:04:26

, know whether whether

1:04:30

when ssm in the first of initial reports

1:04:33

supposedly that there were two people involved

1:04:36

for me for a little you find a new know i just

1:04:38

figured that set for him guide one of their alone

1:04:41

it syria

1:04:59

and i understand why i try to get

1:05:01

out of the least really and he paid

1:05:04

his dues and like

1:05:10

not a few nice going to get the fuck out of the

1:05:14

, earth

1:05:16

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1:05:22

like the same guy knows same

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till good guy like

1:05:27

i said guy know i fact

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when it happened you know i was obviously

1:05:32

it affected him that was could affect anybody but

1:05:35

when you talk to some isis to

1:05:37

make progress or was somehow

1:05:39

yeah no he didn't like he came back to san

1:05:42

diego or thirteen back back san diego

1:05:44

and ended up working

1:05:47

somewhere i remember what so many innocent

1:05:50

of the screen further moon

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moon or the murders amir

1:06:16

they met his and that's

1:06:18

when he started giving me like that you know they'd

1:06:20

never figured it out

1:06:28

he was working in syria he went

1:06:30

to that financial firm and then he came back

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home mom is it again you've

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ex-boyfriend guy and and

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never met him so

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immediately he was

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so like about he loved her was

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was they were just fucking best facile buddies

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mom says that yeah

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no reason they were in the like

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no point beau it's just

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a friend of obviously cares and then

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rolando he's not even in this you know why don't you think

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answer whatsoever she was hotel

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and in fact in was opener sister would come back

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and i'd be over meet her the

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of wanted to join the marines have had any evidence

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that i recollect with her was this

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person that becky

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when am over and hang out with

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, talks and you guys about any

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problems in her life by

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offering her wall sooner

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would really confide in me would was seen on their personal

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matters i'd say out of his like if they wanted to go talker

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watch wanted movie and like yeah cool to

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go hang out with my friends are only going to the room and

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play video game or something new whatever

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side and really hang

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out with her and home after the fact we just

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went to parties every now and then beforehand

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you wanna go back

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i remember how fire ever

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go but i mean basically

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burn down i've never been back up there

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no i never heard anybody on a bag of their

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like , let the only time last summer

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when there was that fire pit and man

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asked of asked undergrad

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vehicle i could go out could anyway at

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those guys really any

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happen to what should happen to these guys

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should happen to them but she gets her attitude

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at all they should

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have their fair day in court like anybody

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else they're guilty guilty

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and they'll get their fair justice they're

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don't know what the statutes just

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to you what would you like to sing done statutes these guys

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not a capital underwater what are they

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have you always makes the

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why did i ever drive those around considerable

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of houses now and i see browser for my

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soul of it's already run and

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i trust that same that week after i put

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your number on lama

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