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immediately like did you immediately think dot

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dot done so

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festival festival the problem is that how

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you write tendons and

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some people right dum dum dum smart

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some people right dad dad does and

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i think i'm a done done done

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your it i'm a dun dun dun clearest do

3:22

it done done done the

3:23

the to use your dance

3:25

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3:28

done at the end i googled

3:31

where did it come from and to

3:33

my surprise because with rarely ever happen

3:35

that wouldn't wow i mean that was

3:37

forum posts and rent and

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corpus that there was nothing official

3:42

found something not do gullible mrs

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stripe which is kind of a ripple extremists

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the amelia did what any good journalists

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would do when faced with an unanswered question

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she set out to answer he started

3:59

by thinking

3:59

to where she might have first heard the sound

4:02

can't remember the first time i had it done

4:05

done done i definitely remember it being common

4:07

in cartoons and said like a kid

4:09

things like sponge bob square pants and the fresh prince

4:11

of bel and i'm going to berkeley to get my

4:13

lecture or your when you come back

4:15

come on i know while i'm gone a what is

4:17

a do everything your uncle full of says

4:24

that every weekend

4:28

well that google can tell me exactly

4:30

why dun dun dun came from various for

4:32

amuses said that the found with something called

4:35

thing

4:35

are you familiar with what a thing is yeah

4:38

so i think of a sting is like the end

4:40

of a phrase or some sort of punctuation

4:42

of a phrase and i kind of imagine it as being something

4:45

that would have been done and radio you know

4:47

when radio was like the main form of entertainment

4:50

and then there's all these the little like musicals

4:52

things that would happen just to kind of

4:54

nudge you to go a

4:57

you should feel that

4:58

that's exactly right i mean it's a piece

5:00

of punctuation a piece of musical shorthand

5:03

that communicates the most and really

5:05

rapidly

5:06

here's a good one from a nineteen forties radio

5:08

drama called the mysterious traveler

5:12

there

5:25

in country gag

5:30

i'm areas

5:37

even fifty plus

5:39

sylvanus sixty

5:45

the day dun dun dun is more the parody

5:48

thing a easy clean comedy

5:50

that genuine within that when i reached

5:52

out to radio historians to trace the origin

5:55

of the sound they told me it was

5:57

once he's in radio dramas to legitimately

5:59

shock

5:59

hi

6:03

in node early days it really did

6:05

have our , a fact

6:08

that could make you kind of set up with

6:10

i don't know about you it's kind of hard for me to

6:12

imagine to the theater as a parody sounds

6:14

a yup yup but back

6:16

and i don't know the forties or something

6:19

i can imagine shock and awe

6:22

awe after his right his that

6:24

who exactly was the first three they're

6:26

pretty sexy sundance on on ask

6:29

none of the right and swings i read that is happening

6:31

that damn happening

6:35

i vote yes ,

6:38

close seem to nineteen sixty two the

6:40

urging of it's very first episode

6:43

the columbia

6:46

network explosion in any new

6:55

freeman in the

6:56

the nobody gonna happen it was a picture

6:59

of a young woman and ,

7:01

it it been had famous

7:05

poisoner i really poisoner breathe

7:07

really seventy six

7:10

ted stevens was looking at ted stevens

7:14

of his wife

7:21

might be more like a bat that that

7:23

than a done done done by the way it was

7:26

one of the love media professor

7:28

richard hands told me that radio dramas

7:30

been always the ads they

7:32

both sides the already existed and other

7:34

popular media i say murder

7:47

the are making almost like piano

7:49

players in a theater typos era

7:52

that clean yeah they're the become playing

7:54

the things that the fake old and movements live

7:57

in the fiercer like somebody sides

7:59

the railway my sword ,

8:02

you think the front of making his hands all

8:06

of those savings the came from melodrama

8:08

will basically borrowers find arabia

8:11

for imported to kind of to

8:13

make the listeners be noticeable

8:15

female familiar with anything said

8:27

wow great athletes can easily be found on

8:29

youtube as much harder to track salmonella

8:31

dallas

8:32

the under flatline a very fast

8:37

the very first dun dun

8:39

dun

8:40

the holy grail of done done done

8:43

so i don't know whether that's something

8:45

we can ever tracked down

8:46

patrick lisa pathfinder the

8:48

first sounds initiatives and organization

8:50

must have some earliest as a sound recording

8:53

the one hand we think it's worthwhile

8:56

to be able to listen back as foreign time

8:58

as we can see and on the other hand

9:00

i think it helps us understand more about

9:02

the history of sound recording or where's this

9:05

miracle was being able to record and playback

9:07

sound came from what people have done

9:09

with that at different times and all

9:11

of that patrick things that

9:13

the world's first and then done probably wasn't

9:15

recorded a all my ,

9:18

is maybe it happened with some

9:20

cedar orchestra in some

9:23

some little theatre out among

9:25

the midwest or the far west

9:27

someplace with an audience of fifty

9:30

people from some local town

9:32

a touring vaudeville troop out

9:34

there and of

9:36

nobody ever thought to write ever thought nobody

9:38

remembered it is you could have happened there someplace

9:41

like that they would ever

9:43

be possible to track down the very first dun dun

9:45

dun of , there are scores

9:48

i assume for the music

9:50

accompanying stage melodramas but

9:52

he sits just playing a sticker court

9:54

doesn't require a whole lot of arrangement

9:58

ahead of time it's not like an extent

10:02

no between a conductor in the orchestra

10:04

they might net murphy's and written

10:06

it down

10:11

the you hop in a time machine and went back

10:13

to eighteen eighty eight so i

10:15

have time to see yes

10:17

the ass and i i put my max

10:19

the mouths of the melodrama going public

10:23

the what i what is this and then they put

10:25

him in jail which

10:27

, and still am awaiting execution

10:30

we might have to wait for wait time machine truly

10:33

get the answer this question

10:35

the a time machine the very first

10:37

dun dun dun might be lost but

10:39

patrick help me dig around system early examples

10:42

of recorded versions of the same

10:44

i knew that there was a sub

10:46

genre of purity

10:49

is of stage mellow drama

10:52

remember our damsel in distress tied

10:54

up on the railroad

10:55

please like this were very popular back

10:58

around the late nineteenth century early

11:00

twentieth century snare were very popular

11:02

but people also already recognized

11:05

that they were a little bit overblown and and so

11:07

people back then already like to

11:09

make fun of them and there had been a number

11:11

of recordings that people

11:13

made a specifically to poke fun

11:16

at the melodrama

11:18

hunting for dun dun dun patrick

11:21

looked at these recordings he listened

11:23

to one from eighty ninety six and

11:25

another from ninety her thighs but

11:27

found nothing

11:28

then there was this third recording

11:31

desperate desmond space

11:33

friends do pre recorded

11:35

in nineteen twelve

11:41

this prick desmond is a parody

11:43

of melodrama that presents

11:46

itself as a session

11:48

where the author of a melodrama is working

11:50

with the musical director to figure out what

11:52

music they're going to play at specific

11:55

critical points during the

11:57

unfolding of the drama bombings

11:59

i [unk] efforts will be confines of arranging

12:02

the necessary skills and philo music for

12:04

my new drama that's what as asthma because

12:06

i am canadian making

12:08

fun of all these troops and all

12:10

the balance

12:13

that on a half just on his seat

12:15

did you notice that done said out

12:18

of avila

12:20

the other method throughout the trip civilian

12:23

ever sees the girl seat his ass and

12:25

censor out a woman remain

12:28

now these are any single or double dance

12:31

not triple dance not full blown

12:33

done done done

12:35

they didn't realize that our of a third done said

12:38

yea this device which is slightly

12:40

disappointing i wanted my three done

12:42

holy grail isn't that what patrick

12:45

kind of extrapolate from this and pointed

12:47

out with the it must have been so

12:49

entrenched in the culture that point transit

12:51

parody possibly the

12:53

third son came along because

12:56

that

12:57

even more

12:58

employ sure had right

13:00

three notes are much more likely to

13:02

recognizable as

13:05

, conscious attempt to

13:07

play on this the stinger cord

13:09

and said and over used convention

13:12

as you just do it on time to be been there wouldn't be

13:14

sure if you're making fun of it or not

13:16

spicy do all three don't on done

13:19

well everybody knows which are getting at

13:22

them all lobby by nineteen twelve

13:24

done some for so commonplace that

13:26

people pay them for let's go further

13:28

back back to those nineteenth century

13:31

midwest and said holes where the sound

13:33

genuinely deeds provoking emotional response

13:36

what exactly is it about done

13:45

based on the interval of a tried shown

13:48

to flatten first which is known

13:50

as the devils interval

13:52

that's a quota a composer with

13:54

over sixty years' experience making

13:56

music it's v into the

13:58

worst music that

14:01

internal which is unresolved on

14:03

isn't satisfactory obviously

14:06

the into for this been around for centuries

14:09

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14:11

is tense music

14:13

in medieval times catholic officials

14:16

supposedly found the try to and so

14:18

unsettling that they labeled at the devil

14:20

in music and bandits he said religious

14:22

compositions ah as it

14:24

turns out that's probably

14:26

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14:28

been used as the into full that

14:30

will create tension

14:37

harmonically the try to seats between

14:39

a perfect source

14:42

the

14:45

while those in schools are harmonious

14:48

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14:50

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14:52

the

14:56

you can hear the haitian if it and then

14:58

game

15:03

in a time when he will try turn

15:05

a sudden he played for a brief second before

15:08

the notes change into something more harmonious

15:11

sometimes the interval results

15:13

very quickly and the two examples

15:16

the i was single for maria

15:18

from west side story

15:22

and then the other one is systems with the simpsons

15:25

tv thing

15:31

moments removed attention

15:35

the

15:37

melody goes up a semitone

15:40

to perfect fists and that

15:42

isn't instant resolution

15:49

most common form the dun dun dun

15:51

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15:53

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15:55

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16:01

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that's at least i never used his

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20:07

you to use math but i say oh my

20:09

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20:13

in the thirties and forties made it

20:15

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20:16

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20:18

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20:25

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20:27

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20:29

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20:39

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20:41

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20:58

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20:59

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21:01

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21:02

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21:05

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21:12

the modern world one dun dun dun

21:14

recording is so good said produces

21:17

either over and over again if you

21:19

hear the sound today on the radio or

21:21

on tv it's likely of having one

21:23

specific record

21:24

for nineteen eighty four

21:30

what you should had is the recording known

21:32

as shock horror

21:34

then it turns out the person who composed

21:37

that recording with known

21:46

try some , the the

21:49

the actually been to put it pompously

21:51

a professional compose the for fifty years

21:54

and downloads of different things and

21:56

yeah shock horror a

21:59

that is the one

21:59

stimulates machines first

22:02

shock horror a he

22:05

must have had the instinct spot on because

22:07

i'm so curious if be was be was step

22:09

down from the sun

22:11

well funny you should mention that because

22:13

i i [unk] carnaby right here

22:19

fine sure is

22:21

the recording that became a classic a ninety

22:23

eighty three thick with asked to compose a whole

22:25

suite of musical things and sound effects

22:27

for sound library called kpm music

22:30

remember that

22:43

particle i see known as the edits his companions

22:46

it was full vinyl records of compositions

22:48

that the so to pieces who needed show

22:50

me the cookies

22:51

all

22:54

it is a companion was a

22:57

set of us is to sort of poisoned chalice

22:59

because you really want to write

23:01

lots and lots of very short pieces of music

23:03

which may be will never get used

23:08

if you write a piece of music

23:10

last fifteen seconds you still got to have an idea

23:13

so in some ways writing very short

23:15

piece

23:17

that much easier than writing along priests

23:19

unfortunately for deck that was one particular piece

23:22

that sounded just started grabbing onto your

23:24

favorite little sting a shock cord a over

23:26

the years this exact recording husband

23:29

every were

23:31

computer to hear me

23:34

hello most the booze nearly

23:37

every player but i really do they rattle

23:39

with do with it

23:43

read more

23:45

roseanne what are we going to do buses said ninety

23:47

nine i know mood for an audit

23:53

there are some exceptions

23:58

let me make sure again

23:59

we just have to survive

24:02

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24:05

that

24:06

no that's too many done

24:09

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24:11

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24:12

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24:15

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24:18

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24:23

to as a shoe bomber the jaws of jaws of

24:27

thought the reading on

24:35

i hope you found the person who made

24:37

are quintessential done done done there's

24:40

gotta be inspiration for that like he's got he must

24:42

have been like of it is my a game this is the

24:44

number one shock suspense

24:47

track you know it going on

24:49

vinyl i've gotta make sure this is

24:51

what people are gonna wanna listen to on

24:53

their turntables so there must

24:55

be some sort of like inspiration for

24:58

that

24:59

exactly so i asked

25:01

if you know where did this come from how did you even

25:03

kind of begin to come up with

25:05

this little phrase that could be used over

25:07

and over again and he told

25:10

me well he mentioned the devils and

25:12

though it's all based on that devils

25:14

interval that

25:16

he mentioned that he likes jazz and the deficit

25:18

for comes up in south the bebop

25:21

was the modern jazz bebop this is the late

25:23

nineteen forties or charlie parker dizzy

25:25

gillespie in those guys

25:40

that was an amateur pianists who

25:43

love

25:43

to play victorian

25:45

melodrama

25:47

my mother would soon i'm it's a pianist

25:50

and she used to play for am on

25:52

such dramatic crux the legacy from

25:54

her was just for the victorian era

25:56

and melodrama oh

25:59

how about that

25:59

oh

26:04

predict nineteen eighties track can in away

26:07

be traced back to the eighteen eighties but

26:09

of course when he was composing he had

26:11

no idea that any of the pieces in the edison

26:14

companion would as a consultant

26:20

how do you feel about the

26:22

and it has become a popular

26:24

researcher

26:26

i mean it's great what's nice is

26:28

to the it works you know if you could

26:30

also do something from this is right

26:33

, sing a piece of music that those the following

26:35

and then over the next ten twenty years

26:38

years find is being used for exactly that purpose

26:41

that's very nice the cbc doing the job

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, third one son and

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if you get the job with all three

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things to me away that's

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amazing things to that's haven't

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it was a lot of fun and is johnny nice

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when people say to move can we talk

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what makes this particular version

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of the done done so effective

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fit thanks it can it features

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a live orchestra thirty to forty

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people to he conducts is to the recording

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live players i

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, does make a difference because because

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such quality which i sing

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makes something timeless

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i'm not i'm remote

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, contemporary and

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is not the this sounds out of date it's

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just of timeless because

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you have a very good recording

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of very good players playing something

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properly with some playing

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conviction

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hell no matter how well the orchestra plays

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that that doesn't mean people going to take dun dun dun

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seriously today i just cannot

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imagine ever been use

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legitimately again to actually

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make us feel shock and horror see

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so say way

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not in the same vibe

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maybe like if it was just slowed down

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significantly the

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, of it was just much more slow

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but i can't imagine it it

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playing ever , serious

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role again and i would be happy to challenge

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for instance directors to

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do that

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what now

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yeah if you a genuinely

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frightening dungeons and

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there we took office for the first on and on all

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the way back to the tune of reported fans

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about fill them earnest because

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three into the them before

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the first musical according to ever made

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the mixture of the dun dun dun is a lingering on

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exactly like the final know of the phase itself

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possibly more under dance out there in just

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the archives wait and see a cupboard with

29:15

a very fast one may just be beyond our reach

29:20

and if someone out there listening

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has a functional time machine

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that kinda is that to about eighteen fifty

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or , actually i don't know when like theaters

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and stuff corona like plop down a new york probably

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in the late eighteen hundreds isn't would be a good start

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but then they'd be probably be like well i heard

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this an england when i was a child

29:38

and then in any have to go to the rise

29:40

lot of travel which is difficult back

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then then that's it's the time

29:44

machine can kind of put you wherever you want or for

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just like plops right back down and a census

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and exactly where you're at which would be incredibly

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inconvenience this is the

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time machine do it that way so he needed

29:56

time slash teleportation missing

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and on top of that were flying through the universal

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like even the same spot that was one second

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ago as like a million miles away

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and i'm in was space so is

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is really complicated to make this happen

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policy much to my brain but if someone

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has figured out that entire saying i

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really want to know where these dun

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dun dun originated from enemies

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