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hello and welcome to episode two hundred ninety

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six of the uk

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recon parker

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last week when it to the dreadful murder all

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perry wallace by william back

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cool that's we we let the how i can

2:02

you will bury wallace went missing in december

2:04

nineteen ninety nine after his work christmas

2:06

party when he crossed paths

2:08

with william back not

2:11

hey what's high impact came across

2:13

very wallace on the fourth of december

2:16

the will continue to declare his innocence

2:19

there we did both later to a friend of

2:21

a sexual conquest that night

2:24

sweet young man

2:25

the beginning

2:27

absolutely clear is that barry

2:29

was taken to pay is flat

2:31

what he was secured on the wrists and ankles

2:34

beaten

2:35

they are you sexually assaulted and have

2:37

to the need

2:38

and chopped up his body and

2:41

deposited a lot lomond

2:43

the three of the west coast of scotland

2:45

finish last week hearing

2:48

how off the banks was committed murder

2:51

the police revealed that when they thirty back

2:53

and kimono looking for evidence

2:55

about the disappearance of very wallet how

2:58

much more than just the evidence

3:00

presented in court it

3:02

wasn't the ferries got that was found in fact

3:04

is home

3:05

democrat from seventeen different men

3:08

discovered

3:09

pictures of young men all over his place

3:12

when it's what was described the seventieth

3:14

and trophy

3:17

the would impact killed more innocent young

3:19

men

3:20

to here

3:22

that her back to the north east of england

3:24

inoculate seven

3:26

find out just what happened

3:28

when you're very old them the do with anything

3:30

bolton

3:31

not really sets were doing is twenty

3:35

enjoyed working and ball and like to move

3:37

around

3:38

the main i can examine he headed to

3:40

newcastle in the northeast

3:42

they have a thing with that the

3:45

right play evening at newcastle bus

3:47

station

3:48

thought his belongings in one of the lockers

3:50

i'm headed off to that gay nightclub

3:53

looks shots it

3:55

was the last time anyone the t barry alive

3:58

mutilated body

3:59

shortly afterwards

4:01

the game people

4:03

hybrid car parked by cleveland

4:06

on the north yorkshire moors

4:09

the the berlin

4:11

the great had been flashed a badly

4:13

they chuckle a painter been habits

4:15

in an attempt to be made the topic

4:17

limpid album

4:19

neither in his neck

4:21

what their regular at rock

4:23

shots nightclub

4:25

with his track record what me to

4:27

suspect and with

4:29

striking similarities

4:32

the case with heard about barry wallet

4:35

the taxes went to his flat they found

4:37

buried blood an

4:39

impact from fat to the murder

4:41

the could he had killed barry

4:43

they've been self defense when the to

4:45

been camping on the north yorkshire moors

4:48

barry that she attacked him

4:50

the cat who couldn't believe it for one moment

4:53

they believe the off the bags had

4:55

taken very home from the nightclub

4:57

the pair had had set up the which banks

4:59

to kill barry

5:01

try to remember him

5:02

they dumped him a molar

5:05

think the jury and he thought crown court charged

5:07

with murder perry odin they

5:10

found guilty and sentenced to life in

5:12

prison which was overturned

5:14

on appeal the

5:16

crown it apply to try him and a number of

5:18

winning charges involving other men

5:21

alongside the murder charge the

5:23

judges try that he thought crown court

5:25

t not making seven allowed the application

5:29

the horse repeal had that he was

5:31

wrong with downside and quash

5:33

the conviction that

5:36

meant that for the gruesome murder of barry all

5:38

them

5:39

after two years in prison

5:42

quite how the family of perry one

5:44

it the killed twelve years

5:46

later must feel about that when

5:49

big should it be knocked up in china the tommy

5:51

megan barry

5:52

we can only imagine

5:55

honey fitz gerald he was head of north yorkshire

5:57

see id the bag was convicted

5:59

of

5:59

right

6:01

he said

6:02

a cold and years ago

6:05

with heresy or we caught a serial

6:07

killer in the making

6:09

we thought we were lucky because we managed to catch

6:11

him after his first killing

6:14

conviction was overturned on appeal

6:16

i remember i was quite a goth

6:18

that when it happened they like what

6:20

we knew about this man

6:22

the great without griffin and a free man

6:25

and he knew he had to move away from the north east

6:27

of england and make a new style

6:30

op his release from prison back me back

6:32

to northern ireland the wouldn't here

6:34

for long

6:35

then he headed to come on of his

6:37

eyelids to have a girlfriend

6:40

they said that his neighbors here we're very

6:42

wary very early on

6:44

the for nicknamed him fred west

6:46

teach was creepy behavior

6:49

the managed to secure job at the housing upset

6:51

with come on i can loud and council

6:54

the last long as he was sacked doctors

6:56

found he like on a tv that

6:58

you put together in prison waiting

7:01

for the outcome of his appeal

7:03

i'm sure sit here and i don't

7:05

know many people who even had any

7:07

that the long as he v

7:09

they always stretch the point somewhat they

7:11

that while he

7:13

took the to another level

7:15

the council spokesman said

7:17

he said he was working on some kind of

7:20

m c project within the prison

7:22

it turned out he was actually a prisoner

7:25

the enough to dismiss everybody

7:28

mine a surprise you that the council pick

7:30

up on it

7:32

the much more serious than this

7:34

soon after he arrived in scotland

7:37

the managed to infiltrate the scout movement

7:40

even accept young boys

7:43

the was actually made in assisted leader

7:45

of the seventy second

7:47

out briefing come on it

7:50

september the twenty nine ninety ninety

7:53

how people are caught the boy aged from

7:56

eleven sixteen

7:58

he was a fan

7:59

the out leader

8:01

winning the top of the boys in the palace

8:03

scout leader it was

8:05

only in may ninety ninety one falcon

8:09

chiefs found out about who he was a

8:11

body imagine

8:14

that fear felt by the scout leaders

8:16

to that moment of realization that

8:18

the truth that who they were working

8:21

with duffy the

8:23

chief of staff of the scottish council for

8:25

the scout association play

8:27

what happened saying

8:29

even anonymous tip off that bags

8:32

been in court on serious charges

8:34

the paid a copy of the appeal court transcripts

8:37

that was felt he was that

8:40

completely inappropriate passing

8:42

the with how to get alpha scouting scotland's

8:46

the mall with violent attacks on young men

8:48

continued

8:50

ninety ninety one he met grime mcquillan

8:52

the young church worker and

8:55

i a topic glasgow

8:57

the path and was disturbingly familiar

9:00

the court in a the past them with disturbingly

9:02

familiar with bags a cat

9:04

brian with a razor

9:07

i am with the cause terrified

9:09

the naked he jumped for a dog window

9:11

the front of the house with a

9:14

the banks was sent to prison

9:16

six years

9:18

the prime mcquillan with a serious

9:21

the great man and he wrote

9:23

to number of newspaper editor in december

9:25

nineteen ninety two

9:27

warning that bag for that the take

9:29

fleet dangerous man he would attack other

9:32

the wrote

9:33

the largest part of my anxiety and

9:35

sorrow

9:36

the the parents and friends are very old

9:39

him

9:40

if you want began set free

9:42

the likely

9:44

next victim

9:46

candid he later about

9:48

he the deal

9:49

the daily record newspaper thing

9:53

jumping to die

9:55

i wouldn't have had

9:57

the be killed

9:58

people would know what that ball

9:59

the done for me

10:02

that kind of a plausible guy and we the lot

10:04

in common

10:06

the help of a fight outside the club

10:08

and we got chatting

10:10

the all i want to go back to his face

10:12

with drink

10:13

have you became a letter word the full of anything

10:16

the call going to come on at he was very

10:19

chatty funny it

10:21

was about four am when we got back

10:23

i'm take that pacific rim

10:26

he came back he had a huge market

10:28

you said was filled with gross beer

10:31

the tenth it really funny and i can drink it

10:33

he was really keen on the finishing

10:37

then it hit me

10:38

really really drowsy like of his trunk

10:41

out my mind

10:42

that i hadn't had that much to drink in the club

10:45

i never to thank men time

10:48

i'm convinced that bags drugged me

10:51

completely athletes

10:52

that when i thought to realize that something

10:54

wasn't right the with never

10:57

and he had been caught the only time he had sex

10:59

with other men when they were both very

11:01

drunk he

11:03

woke me on three different occasions that

11:05

in the kept my mouth i'm making the drink it

11:08

fifteen i should finish it

11:10

we didn't have that

11:12

when i won't hit one point he was rip

11:14

your my pencil he was drafted

11:16

him the fuck the show

11:19

the last thing i remember with him lead

11:21

me to the hallway the bathroom

11:24

shutting the door

11:25

i woke up this incredible pain

11:28

one my back in he pushed my left

11:30

leg up with us with my shoulder

11:32

that are actually thought he was fighting the top of

11:34

my life

11:35

there was blood everywhere

11:37

i grabbed his hand pushed his face

11:40

the jump up and ran to the door to a

11:42

police chase me

11:44

the then keeping with dreadfully wrong

11:46

there's blood everywhere it's right up his bedroom

11:49

walls covered him and saturated

11:51

fat

11:53

the graphics rec but lose so much blood

11:55

a reason he could easily slip

11:57

away

11:58

the was just telling me forward

11:59

they come back to bed

12:02

it made me do this over and

12:04

over again

12:05

the kid he dies is something i'll never forget

12:07

he was completely the men hit something

12:10

snapped and his head

12:12

the way what was happening and i just try

12:14

to stay calm

12:16

the wouldn't let me leave that room

12:18

i knew i was on dead

12:20

there's no way someone who could inflict that

12:22

kind of pain with can't let me other health

12:25

alive

12:26

and human

12:28

if you can like through the catholic by the time

12:30

will the outline of the window frame

12:33

etti about grief but why

12:35

the divided with metal frame

12:38

i didn't realize his side high up like

12:41

playing out had for to die

12:43

the people would notice for that path that

12:45

have done

12:47

within three years back from south of the

12:50

slammer for this attack

12:51

back in his come on a council flats

12:55

the neighbors were understandably on

12:57

happy to have him back

12:59

the all they cope to get him a victim

13:01

can you imagine that have it back to the neighbor

13:04

you'd never get any sleep with you

13:07

and care he'd known henge the moving

13:09

on again and he bought his council

13:11

flat

13:12

to security life and

13:14

a video camera can add up

13:16

the we had monitor the whole street the lookout

13:18

for any potential attack

13:20

on his property or his car

13:23

the police i'm watching him play the tape

13:26

the without the compaq opposite the ninety

13:29

ninety four about the murder inquiry

13:31

that he chose not to say

13:32

the no action taken

13:35

the would also spoken to a number of

13:37

other time

13:38

up into the murder perry wallace ninety

13:40

ninety nine

13:41

no action

13:43

that hacking again they

13:45

reinvented himself again

13:47

he was real have a bright academically

13:50

the by ninety ninety nine he was working for

13:52

an edible call center setting

13:54

for a doctorate at pace university

13:57

applying computer technology higher

13:59

patient

14:01

her leg to pay the university

14:04

round about management's at them

14:06

outfit university milton keynes

14:09

but he continued to bring them back to his flat

14:12

on the blog a club bennett's and

14:14

other places nearby

14:16

he will help convicted of any other attack

14:19

until the bird rebury wallace

14:22

many stop attacking young men they

14:25

don't you think but it seems highly unlikely

14:27

to me

14:29

i want her back to a quote from grime mcquillan

14:32

the man he jumped out the window it begs

14:34

come on it

14:36

my primary wanted his family

14:39

i always knew that banks with murder

14:41

again

14:43

i don't believe he when that long before killed

14:45

again

14:46

i'm to think he is murdered and a half

14:49

hours we don't know about

14:51

the my eyes

14:52

the kotick serial killer

14:55

he thought of young with the petty

14:58

griffin

14:59

little thing

15:00

they graduate the kenny perry oh them

15:04

fab every one is have to die

15:06

before he would look up again

15:08

some way that go safe of banks because

15:10

he is so

15:12

again

15:14

that know anyone could fully grow

15:16

overhead on my hand

15:18

the time

15:19

the much hatred for that the rest

15:21

of his life

15:23

it really

15:24

you can again

15:26

the all the other murdered the to be carried

15:29

out by william bags

15:30

yeah the answer

15:33

there were rumors about variety of emergency

15:35

to be responsible for

15:37

as far out with the disappearance of

15:39

damien nettleton the on why

15:41

the we i covered recently in

15:43

a patriot bonus episode

15:46

the scene of unlikely to me

15:49

the view shared by the tech to superintendent

15:51

didn't he

15:53

let the investigation

15:55

into the disappearance of barry wanna

15:57

keeping faith it more likely to be response

15:59

a local crimes

16:02

traveled he said

16:04

it was more individuals he came to scotland

16:06

from all over

16:08

that was okay

16:10

the finity to ingratiate himself

16:13

an average a man you

16:15

don't post office hospitality and

16:17

have enough to drink on

16:19

many occasions nothing happened you

16:22

made me to keep pumping clean we're

16:25

trying to trying everyone who's ever there

16:27

is pat the attract

16:30

many people who were there and he was fine

16:33

if you have evidence to indicate that some

16:35

people read that house

16:37

we've not trying

16:39

regular now it's over the unsolved murders

16:42

the banks could potentially be responsible

16:45

number one the murder of twenty four you wrote

16:48

eric sharing

16:50

or do with found in bush's in the east end

16:52

of glasgow

16:53

by the celtic football club stadium

16:55

in ninety ninety four

16:58

the been strangled

16:59

the half naked body is something we

17:03

i target the love hiking

17:05

within about six thirty pm

17:08

the twenty fifth september nineteen ninety

17:10

four

17:11

walking from plan is a street

17:14

the on the made

17:15

the party with than the next day

17:18

the record the who july twenty twenty

17:20

two

17:21

nobody has been convicted of murder

17:24

the only way to investigation into chat

17:27

with eric newbies killer

17:29

that had agreed to meet him athletic club

17:31

or maybe he'd met with murderer in the central

17:34

cloud can impact been home

17:36

they could make the pills eric

17:39

pack penetrate back home

17:42

the both knives raises

17:44

another man was challenged

17:47

there it murdering two thousand and fifteen

17:50

lead in two thousand and seventeen

17:52

often to the dna samples

17:55

marketing contaminated

17:57

the commentaries murder banks was a free

17:59

man haven't just been released from jail

18:02

the pack on brian mcclellan

18:04

in

18:07

2001 i

18:09

don't see many unlikely

18:11

it is the possibility

18:13

deaths

18:14

of two other men in

18:16

the world of back

18:20

creepy

18:21

like bones are washed up on

18:23

a beach in law on the west coast of scotland

18:26

in the two thousand the publication

18:28

true and twenty

18:30

one year old student

18:32

hollins swipe at the body

18:34

was found in the with high in ninety nine

18:38

taken a couple christopher

18:41

twenty seven he with their postgraduate

18:43

students

18:44

i remembered men

18:46

eating grin and may in environmental

18:48

studies at strathclyde university and

18:51

he lived in love

18:53

in february nineteen ninety eight he range

18:55

learn to a friend in a couple of days

18:58

they didn't show

18:59

i've never seen alive again

19:02

for the appeal for information about his disappearance

19:05

came to nothing there's just

19:07

a with two years later that a swimmer

19:09

in the see in love

19:11

came across a human bone

19:13

the thing to than three part of poll

19:16

no other parts of the pointy were ever discovered

19:18

mom died

19:21

the year before not name with has some of

19:23

the live with that

19:24

the that handy said

19:27

didn't have any enemies as far as i know

19:29

that the time he went missing i rode out power

19:31

play

19:32

the after the bones were compounded post

19:35

and the head

19:36

there were few strange things about the circumstances

19:39

the manning that the parents

19:42

one of the last people to see polar live with

19:44

a policeman he went through thought by mistake

19:46

so cool with three other

19:48

people also in the house

19:51

the point of he was my police the three

19:53

paper have never come forward

19:55

check on very strange

19:58

the added that the police did not

19:59

how how all method that

20:02

not enough of a body have been house

20:05

the would never the time to take his own life

20:07

in my opinion

20:08

that opinion

20:11

they believe it must have been a terrible accident

20:14

the a terrible accident

20:17

the poor a his own life

20:19

what did he have the awful misfortune

20:22

the pop band

20:25

when your student com swiping

20:28

working in a bar was searching for jogging

20:30

fine the graduating

20:32

with have club degree in chemical engineering

20:35

strathclyde university holland

20:38

disappeared off my cat were friends at

20:40

minutes might have renounced ninety ah

20:43

but which you'll recall that breaks was a regular

20:47

calling from glasgow was lot of

20:49

it that about three am on

20:52

the twenty fourth of november

20:54

i can finish chip shop in

20:56

the city centre

20:57

an hour of be left senate

21:00

the body was found in the river clyde five

21:02

months later

21:08

the cause of death was never established

21:11

sprint didn't think that that friend the taken

21:14

his own life

21:15

the course none of it can never say assassin

21:19

they lack who chrissy

21:20

with a terrible accident

21:23

hank anything like

21:25

maybe that he ran into

21:27

william back single out that favor

21:31

earnest in a story where we started with

21:33

the murder very old conviction

21:37

was quashed on appeal on a technicality

21:40

the law that will

21:42

deputy rules may he could never be tried

21:44

again that years

21:46

after the law change the cps

21:48

received a letter from bearing fat albert

21:50

older in them if

21:52

they were able to consider any prosecution

21:55

the copays unit of north yorkshire police

21:58

major crime t

21:59

the average

21:59

the case regularly am from my reading

22:02

sources confirmed that the fourth

22:04

with make every effort the persuade the

22:06

cps math nikkei

22:10

the more we thought of map conceited

22:13

they do not believe the case for meet the high bar

22:15

that by the cps in

22:17

a profit in some of the second time

22:19

the murderer

22:21

the said

22:23

the bloody bases flattened weapons private

22:25

barry odom

22:27

they'll be in a technique the now much more

22:29

farm from the produce a far stronger the

22:31

fiscal pace

22:33

the professional judgment

22:35

then it would not be accepted as fresh

22:37

evidence

22:38

that the cps are unlikely

22:41

to seek in a trial

22:43

he was professional

22:45

judgment

22:48

i guess it back behind bars and resources

22:50

hi

22:51

the decision should be a surprise

22:54

the white one the think

22:57

i'm from two thousand and nineteen

22:59

it was free to apply for parole

23:02

a poll very wallet fat

23:04

he and he said

23:05

very with a cane a good lad the all

23:08

his life ahead of him

23:09

any parent he loses a child

23:12

the never get over it especially

23:14

hard to know that the nature of

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your child that so brutal we've

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help of the authorities he the math the rest

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