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Today's topic is somatic therapy , and

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I couldn't be more thrilled to talk about something

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that is huge and up and coming

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in , yeah , the world . Not

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just mental health therapy , but , if you're starting to see it come , across

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all different fields . He's a trauma specialist

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that created a unique and powerful approach to help people heal

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from traumatic experiences that get trapped in their body

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Welcome to , Unscripted , your

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guide to discovering the various options

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available to you in the integrated and

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collaborative medicine space . I'm Janine

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Barandi and I've been treating patients

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with acupuncture for 10 years .

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And I'm Jenny Poole . I'm a trauma specialist

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and somatic therapist with a passion for psychedelic-assisted

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psychotherapy . The objective of our podcast is

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to explore the various care options

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available . Through our years of practice

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, we've found that different modalities can complement

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each other and conventional medicine

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We hope our conversations resonate and

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help you find the right tools and specialists

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for your unique needs .

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We believe in an advanced care model where the doctor

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is not the only expert . We encourage

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you to embrace a mindset where your practitioners are

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your teammates who

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ultimately empower you to take control of your health .

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As with every episode , this is not intended to act as medical advice and no patient practitioner

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tuning in . Hey , this

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is such an up and coming topic

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.

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A lot of people have questions about it and

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within my practice

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I know I refer to you a

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lot . I mean , I pretty much refer

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to you exclusively and I'm like , yeah , you

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got to go see Jenny Poole because she does

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somatic therapy . She's

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a body worker . She went and got her massage

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license so that she could do somatic

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work , so that she had permission to touch people

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. And

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when they hear that they're like oh well , what

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is that ? I've heard of the MDR . But

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I'm like Jenny does brain spotting

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and Jenny does body

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work . She does somatic work , she's the

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best . I send you

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a ton of people you do and you take really

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good care of my people , so

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thank you . Let's talk about what somatic

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therapy is , though , because there's

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a huge wave of it coming into the world . You're

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starting to hear a lot about somatic

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therapy and people asking for somatics . Do

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you do somatic therapy ? And there

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are so many modalities that

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even you can do with somatic therapy that

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don't require a hands-on approach . You talked

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about EMDR . Brain spotting

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don't require a hands-on approach

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. You talked about EMDR brain spotting . Those you don't have to have any kind

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of a hands-on approach , because that can be a tricky place for a lot of therapists to

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traverse . I definitely

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wanted to get my license

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and be able to do structural body work , because

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I knew that one day that these disciplines

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would have more cohesiveness , which

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is beautiful because it helps

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move the needle on healing , yeah , and

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when I was in my training as an acupuncturist

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, somatic work was just

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starting to bubble up , and I

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, right after I graduated in 2014

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, I worked pretty hard to get

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myself into a VA medical center , and

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I was especially excited to work

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with a woman by the name of

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Elaine Duncan , who has done

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a lot of studying under Bessie

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. VanderKaal and Peter Levine

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, and she's just

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an earth

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shaker and a mover and

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I learned a lot about somatic

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work from her and

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I saw her applying

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these principles with our

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veterans and her work

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was powerful . It just involved

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a touch . This

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is sometimes all it takes to bring

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somebody down , sometimes

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all it takes to bring somebody down . But by and large in medicine nowadays we don't have

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permission to touch from a psychological perspective

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, like if you're going to go get your LCSW

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or your psychotherapy license

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, you don't have permission to touch

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your patients , right . But look at how

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, look at the energy at which you came . That was such

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a good example of what it means

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to just have therapeutic touch

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involved in any kind

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of therapeutic experience . Even

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when you're showing care and concern

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, just the hey , I'm

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here , yeah , and this isn't invasive

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and also obviously consent

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, like , hey , can I can I help , support

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you ? Hey , can I reach out , can I touch

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your arm here ? It's so important and

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and someone's saying yes , please , and

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and you're , you're not wrong is that somatic

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therapies don't have to be complicated . They don't

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have to be complex and what they that

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the heart of what some of them do is is help

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people get back to feeling connected

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, right . Connected to themselves , yeah

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, connected to care outside

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of themselves , versus the

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dangers of , versus a fried

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nervous system and afraid fight

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or flight . It's just constantly in a better

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flight or freaks . Yeah , I'm so

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glad that we started out with this subject

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because I , as

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an acupuncturist , I get to touch people

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all day long and

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it's beautiful . One of the

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things that I do is I

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will assess the pulses and

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it never fails as

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soon as somebody lays down on the table and

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I walk over it , man and I grab their hands

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and I'm like hey , just relax . And

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they'll hold their hands up like this and they're like I

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am relaxing , you're not just

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relax , relax

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, okay , and then , and

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then we start to listen . We start

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to listen to

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one another in a way that is really

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quite special and it brings

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the person down . And

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in my experience

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in working with our

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future medical providers , this

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, this kind of thing , is not taught

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. We don't get this when we go to

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see the doctor , and so you

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get a cuff and a machine right , and we don't

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get this when we go to see our therapist

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. But what you do , you get

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that sense of touch and that sense

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of acceptance and and welcoming

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and like , oh my gosh

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, somebody's touching me . I mean , think about when you

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were a baby . You got

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touched . Most of us got touched

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and held as a baby , and so that thing

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is very primal to be fair to

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. If you didn't get touched , especially with your

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baby , then there's problems oh yeah , problem

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. So to your point touch was necessary

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. Yeah , to help create safety

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connection regulation yeah

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yeah , and even just

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just the way that the therapeutic

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touch and the therapeutic exchange that

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just happened there , as you hold my hand and

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you start taking my pulse , there's a gentleness

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to it and there's this feeling that goes

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I'm going to get

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some help , right . And that's all happening

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without a verbal exchange . Other , than

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. I'm checking your pulses . So

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it goes without saying that most of our communication

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is nonverbal , but

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sometimes we so heavily rely on what

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we're saying verbally . Yeah , that's the

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beautiful thing about somatic therapy and that's one

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of the things that I teach the therapist

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I work with is , when you

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learn how to do somatic therapy or you're using

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somatics , you start to learn to myth

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. So I can watch somebody's pulse

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change when they change

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from being in a space of being calm or distressed

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. So if they start talking about something that distresses them

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, not only will their eyes move sometimes

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those are telling their story to different places

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but tension in their

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face , tension in their neck , tension

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in their hand you can just see if you know

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how to look for it tension in the body , and

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that's telling you that I have

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something that I can then release

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in the body yeah . And not just

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through talking . Now let's talk about how

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important it is to talk about things . Well , of course it is . Talk

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therapy has its place and being able to talk

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about what happened to you , especially

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if you didn't have a voice . Now

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you get to have a voice . There's an unencumbering that

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happens and a freedom of saying . I

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felt like I didn't have a voice . I felt too scared

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to say anything , and now I have a voice

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, I felt too scared to say anything and now I have a voice , right . Yeah , forget to get

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it out . So

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I'm not saying that it doesn't have a place , but where I think

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that somatics is really going to continue to take

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off , is that creating

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that voice , telling the story , seeing , seeing

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her , and invalidated , like we need

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to as human beings . Now we also

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remove any kind of somatic imprint

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that started to essentially get recorded

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on our body . These bodies , these bodies that we

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have , are big , huge recording devices . They

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will record literally every experience

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you've ever had . Yeah , that's why people sometimes

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well oftentimes , when they have surgery , you'll wake up

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and they'll be in tears and they are in tons

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of pain meds . They're not hurting , yeah

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, but while their conscious

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body didn't know that they were getting cut into in

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some way or the other , their body did

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. Oftentimes they're waking

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up and they're having a response because

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they need more pain meds or they're in pain , but

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because their body knows something happened

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to us , even if it was a good thing , like my knee needed to

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be repaired but it got cut into , and

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my body knows that it got cut into even

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though my mind went to sleep . Yeah , and if you

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think about . If we observe an animal

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in the wild and the animal successfully

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escapes its predator , that animal

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will do something to shake it off

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. It will bound or it'll wail or

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it'll , it'll shake , it'll

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scream , it'll do something to

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shake off the threat of annihilation

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. And like , our bodies

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are similar too . But but

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we live in a culture that's kind of said to us

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like hey , you got to keep it together

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. Yeah , if you're in distress , I

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need to calm you down as fast as possible . So you stop having

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distress versus shake that off hold

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them down , move your ambulance like

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move your body as much as you need to , don't stop that

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that's good for you . You're not hearing those messages . It's

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like how can I calm you down as fast as I can ? Yeah , because

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you're distressed . Now I'm gonna start distressing me and I don't

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like it . Versus he shoot that off

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. Like , get that out of your body . If your body needs to unwind

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, let it do whatever it wants to

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, yeah , so let me give you an example of that . I it

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was in my brain spotting training , which we'll talk about what

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brain spotting is ? It's , I would say , somewhat

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an emdr's cousin and

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I was working with a gal we

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were practicing and she had been

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in a pretty bad horseback riding accident

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, so bad that she ran into a fence and the horse

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and her got tangled up . And

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as she's unwinding now again

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, this is all hands off and as we found

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her where in the eye field the brain

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spot was held and where all that trauma memory was stored , and as we found her where in the eye field the brain spot was held and where all that trauma

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memory was stored , and as we're unencapsulating

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it and she's kind

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of you can , when your brain's fine , you can hold your spot and

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you can also go and you're

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kind of like unwinding , letting the body unwind

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while you're doing some breathing . At

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one point she started doing

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this and she's like and then she

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opened up her eyes almost and like what is my body doing

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? And we don't stop it . It wants to unwind . But

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it was unwinding and it looked like she was

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riding a horse . How interesting , because

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the somatic imprint of that

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day was she was on

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a horse and so I said just let your shoulder

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kind of at once at first , because when

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we're unwinding the body is trying to untangle

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. That movement feels weird

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and sometimes we then try and manage not just

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our perceptions about everyone else's perceptions

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. Yeah , and that's sometimes where the interruption happens

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.

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It's like well , I'm acting weird . Yeah , to like

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push it down again , like everybody's told

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me my whole life push down .

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yeah , don't be weird . The body's an intuitive

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vessel and if you give it the doorway

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to unwind , then it just will

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, organically will , because now we're not in

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the way of it . And so she eventually just

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let it unwind and she

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had taken the blow all the way to

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this side of the body and then it

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was significant the repair that needed to

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happen to her physical body after all the injuries . So

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, again , that somatic

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imprint is recorded . And if you and

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if you only talk about something but you

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don't let the body discharge all of that survival

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energy that built up . And

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this is where we talk about fascia . Right

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, the fascia is the matrix of the body , that that

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structurally holds us together . It holds our organs

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together , our muscles together . It's what's wrapped

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around our whole body . Yeah

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, and I truly believe that so much emotional

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debris can get stored in the fascia

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and as you start unwinding someone's fascia

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and you can do that even just with those gentle

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touches is that you can release

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so much emotional debris and

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sometimes it's the simplest

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touch that can then it's like

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a ripple in the pond . If you touch the pond pond

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, it doesn't just have one ripple and stop it , it

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ripples out . That's what the body will do . If

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the body has room to unwind , it

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will how about I just do it ? I'm

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going to say something else about the fascia and

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and how it relates to eastern medicine

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and this concept of the acupuncture

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points and where

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the points are located . We've

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, you know , we've been able to successfully show

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, doing examination

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of the fascia , that the acupuncture

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points exist on

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the fascia where there are collections

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of nerve and vessels

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. That's cool , and so you start to

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think about how interconnected

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your body is If the fascia

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is wrapping every muscle

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, every bone , everything in your body

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, then hell yeah , you're

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an interconnected network and

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it's why I can put a needle right here

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and have it affect the other side

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of the body all the way down close

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to your feet . so your

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, your body is one very interconnected

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highway

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. So , yes , yeah , well , the information

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that's constantly communicating

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with itself and when I'm explaining somatic

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therapy to people because it's a very new concept for

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some people , some people like I've never even heard of this

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is I help them understand that . Do

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you believe that your cardiovascular

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system , your heart , works in sync with

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your lungs , like ? So your heart

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pumping is a part of you rest , you

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know , having respiratory , like breathing

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, but then also your digest , like

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, if you can , if you can accept

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that the physical body works

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in sync with each other and that one couldn't really

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work without the other ? We can't just be like hey , heart , I just kind

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of want you to be right now and hey , long

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it was . Just , you know , you can take a break and

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just do these other systems . They all just

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work in in unison , and you'll

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learn that in any anatomy and physiology

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course that you take in any medical

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education program . Yeah for sure

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. So then , so then you so , so then plug

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in the belief that then why

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isn't the emotional body , the mental body and

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the physical body then also working

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and seeing each other . And when you're having

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physical and emotional

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like when you have emotional debris , it's going

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to affect the physical body . If you're having

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an emotional distressing experience

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, it's going to affect the fascia

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. But what creates tightness in the body

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? Because the emotions affect the limbic

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system in the brain . The limbic system will drive

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your biochemistry . The biochemistry

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drives how you exist inside of your body

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and the chemical soup it's

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your medicine , it's your brain's own medicine

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that's getting fired and it will

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fire quickly and things will change

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really fast in the presence

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of an emotional upset . Yes

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, yes , and here's two examples

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, and one's a little bit more benign and the other

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one's more significant . So I was working with a

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little one , 11 year old , and

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they were having so much stomach

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pain , so much distress in

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the gastric area , and

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couldn't have gone to more medical

15:30

appointments trying to figure this out . No ulcers

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, no perforated

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, anything , right . There was nothing medically

15:37

like that was right

15:39

, right . And so at one point doctor

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said it's just all in your head and

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that , and as a kid

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, we do the best we can with the information we have and we don't have really great coping skills

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as a kid . We do the best we can with the information we have , and we don't have really great coping skills

15:49

as a kid , and so I think that that moment

15:51

was well then . I'm just weird because

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I'm really not feeling good , but

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this person is

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telling me that it's just in my head , and so what

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I had to explain to this little one was well

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, sure , it's in your head . That's where

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sometimes , oftentimes , our emotions , in

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our heart too , are generated . We're feeling

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something , we're thinking something . But

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, I said , one of the things I want you to understand so that

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you feel more validated , is that you will have

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a physiological response to emotions

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. Undeniably , you

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watch somebody get mad . They're not just sitting there

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all like neutral in their body

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. If they're mad , guess what starts to happen

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? The child gets tight . The what starts to happen ? the jaw gets

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tight , the

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body starts to get tight people sometimes

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ball their hands up in a fist so as

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that anger is growing

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. This is just an example that you're starting

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to have a physiological response to the emotion

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that you're feeling anxiety . So anxiety

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is hidden and in this particular

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little one as

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anxiety , my experience hits up

16:51

. In here in the chest or right here

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we process and digest , ironically

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, food . I really believe you process

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and digest emotions , experiences

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, and over time there had been so much anxiety

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that , literally and I showed the little one that

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says let me show you in your stomach

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how just tight your fascia

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is . I just knew . And

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sure enough , they were like , it

17:14

was like concrete . And as we unwound

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the fascia in the

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stomach so cool guess what came

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after that ? emotional tears

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, tears and just all of

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the worries , all of the fears , and

17:27

and no more encumberment , no more being bound

17:29

. And can you imagine

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all of that ? That physiological

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response to anxiety had created so much tightness that

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, of course , the stomach was squished . There was

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a lot of acid reflux . Of course , the

17:40

liver and the organs and everything

17:42

in the bowels were really squished , because that's

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how much tension over time this little one

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had accumulated in their body and

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it was literally like oh .

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And then it's like and go to school and be good .

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And the doctor said it was on your head and so

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, come on , you're fine . And and

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those are conflicting messages , because the little

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one again with very limited

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skill set , yeah , this is going , I'm

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sure I don't feel like it's in my head . This feels really

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real in my body . So somatic therapy

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is so powerful because it gets

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from a bottom-up approach

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. So the talking , what's happening in

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the mind's important , but we get to to where

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the release can happen and then

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the rest can flow and that's that cohesive

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progression that you want to see

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so you can really eventually slough off

18:29

the emotional debris and

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and then reclaim safety and

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reclaim equilibrium , yeah , in

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the body , which is ultimately what the body wants

18:38

. Totally , I want to reframe this

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concept of like it's all in your

18:42

head , and I do think I

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I know quite a few people that

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work in allopathic

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medicine , conventional medicine

18:52

, osteopathic . We talk about

18:54

our doctor , our primary

18:56

care physician , and we're totally not here to

18:58

hate on primary care physicians

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my gosh , if you're in an accident , please

19:02

go to shock trauma . Your acupuncturist is

19:05

not where you need to go . But

19:07

this concept of it's all in your

19:09

head . Like I grew up with that for sure

19:11

, because I had things that

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bothered me . I always had back pain , I

19:15

always had stomach pain , I

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was always constipated as a kid and

19:20

like my parents were going through a divorce

19:22

and for sure the doctors were like , hey , there's

19:24

nothing wrong with your kid , it's all in her head . And

19:27

I watched that diagnosis being

19:29

given to my sisters too and

19:31

it was like , okay , now

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that I do what I do and

19:37

I understand where

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the limbic system is in the brain , for

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sure there is a huge

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component about it

19:47

affecting and triggering things

19:49

that literally are in your head

19:51

. It doesn't mean

19:53

that it's all you're making it

19:55

up . It doesn't mean that you're crazy and

19:58

that you just need to shake it off and get

20:00

over it . It means that something

20:02

is wrong and

20:04

that instinct that you have

20:07

, that instinct that

20:09

we have that reads a room and says

20:11

something is not quite right here .

20:15

There's a couple of different things going on

20:17

there .

20:17

It's either that something is really really wrong

20:19

or that something

20:22

is trapped . Yes , and

20:25

your body knows it , it's an intuitive

20:27

vessel and it wants , and then

20:29

ultimately , especially if we eventually

20:31

have the bandwidth sometimes we don't have the bandwidth

20:34

and it shows up like well , we got to push that back down

20:36

or if we have the bandwidth and

20:38

the window of tolerance to process it , then we can

20:40

really create some deep healing and preparing . Yeah

20:42

, totally so . Here's the other example I want

20:44

to share because it goes right along , and this one's more

20:46

benign , but this teaches about the power

20:49

of how the body keeps score Vessel van der

20:51

Kolk . He is an incredible . I

21:04

mean , the book that he wrote is such an incredible resource for

21:06

the world and it will continue to ripple into and be connected to somatic therapy for

21:08

decades , hopefully decades and centuries to come . Everyone who is alive right now needs to read

21:10

that to understand . And if they don't read his book , he has

21:12

now hundreds of youtube

21:14

videos . If you're not familiar with the name of dr

21:17

bessel van der kolk , look him up because he is

21:19

one of the giants . Well

21:21

, there's a lot of giants there , but Dr Peter

21:23

Levine , Dr Gabor Mate and

21:25

Dr Bessel van der Kolk are some giants

21:27

that I built the way that I

21:29

do somatic therapy around . So

21:32

Dr Bessel van der Kolk is one of the ones that I refer

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to . I say no , don't take my word for it , I'm just

21:37

a therapist in Utah . Listen

21:39

to this guy Go listen to this

21:41

guy . He has all the research , he

21:44

has a big voice . He started a

21:47

long time ago figuring this stuff

21:49

out and observing it himself , collecting

21:52

the data , putting it into

21:55

the greater knowledge that

21:57

we have about mental health

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, and he's come out with these

22:02

somatic tools that are

22:05

, I think , so much more effective

22:07

than what we've had in the past

22:09

for for helping people with

22:11

mental health . 1000% , yeah , in

22:13

the therapy world , if you hear Dr Bessel

22:16

van der Kolk's name , you know that oh

22:18

, the body keeps score . And now you're starting to hear

22:20

that as a catchphrase we talk about things

22:22

that are stored in the body , like oh the body keeps score . The

22:24

body keeps score .

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I'm like , yes , it does yeah , it's such a tagline

22:27

now and it's beautiful and I hope that it continues

22:29

to ripple into the world .

22:32

Beautiful example of something

22:34

that's more benign in someone's life . It's not

22:36

causing this , it's

22:42

not plaguing them . The experience wasn't isn't something that they even remembered

22:44

in their conscious memory until it was brought up by me working on yeah

22:46

, and this was strictly a more of a body work appointment

22:49

. I wasn't even doing any necessary mental

22:52

health connected with it . Someone

22:54

had hurt their leg and their foot was hurting

22:56

and I was just going to unwind the structural

22:59

debris , right the structural tightness

23:02

in the muscles and the fascia and help create

23:04

relief as we released adhesions . So

23:06

as I went to work off the foot

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, there was a recoil and it wasn't

23:11

because the , it was

23:13

the where I started . It was almost like

23:15

the act of starting to grab the foot

23:17

had created that

23:19

response . And this

23:22

client looked at me in

23:24

almost surprise and was like I

23:26

don't know why I did that . And I

23:28

said well , I'm also

23:30

a mental health therapist and that was what

23:32

looked like a trauma response . So

23:35

have you ever hurt your foot ? Have you ever

23:37

taken a blow there ? Has

23:39

there been any injury to that foot

23:41

other than chronic use from the running ? Not

23:46

that I can think of . I said , well , let me gently

23:48

come back in . So as I gently

23:50

came back into the foot , this client

23:53

said oh my gosh , I haven't remembered this forever

23:55

. His

23:59

quiet said oh my gosh , I haven't remembered this forever . When I was eight I stepped on a hornet

24:01

and it stung me . Wow , it hurts so bad because , as a kid

24:03

it's . If you guys don't know , a bee sting

24:05

hurts , but a hornet sting

24:07

is worse , the end

24:10

of the world putting on a nail , and

24:12

so it's not like this

24:14

bee sting experience had forever

24:17

like made life debility . This

24:19

wasn't a huge trauma , or

24:21

even with something that was a trauma in this person's life

24:23

. It was more of I got hurt and

24:26

then life went on . But because I was touching

24:28

that spot and this is the power of the body keeps

24:31

score it will record every single

24:33

thing that happened to it and if it hurt you

24:35

when it happened , it will record

24:37

a somatic response to that . So

24:39

we actually so we slowly and gently unwound

24:42

not just the fashion , the muscles , but also

24:44

the emotional response that was coming up

24:46

as this person remembered getting

24:49

stung by the hornet and then being

24:51

scared about getting stung more . And

24:53

it was this whole live memory

24:55

that then , then now , at the time

24:57

, at the age this person was that was able to now

24:59

process and resource better than

25:01

an eight-year-old can and go . I wasn't

25:04

safe then because the hornet hurt me . I'm

25:06

safe today , yeah , and we're okay . And

25:08

then after that , anyone could touch their

25:10

foot and there was a papal coil , you

25:13

know what I think is really beautiful about this

25:15

. And , and specifically

25:17

that moment , your patient

25:20

basically said to you like oh my gosh

25:22

, I'm embarrassed , almost right . I

25:24

don't know why I did that , I'm sorry , really

25:27

wise . And your symptoms , they kind

25:29

of know that something

25:42

deeper is going on there . So

25:45

I'm always surprised

25:47

by how much my patients

25:49

will apologize for just

25:51

simply being in the space and

25:54

I'm always like no , you belong here , like

25:56

it's okay , take up your rightful space , like that's

25:58

why you've come to see me , because

26:00

you're you're hurting , you're suffering somehow

26:02

, and I

26:04

want to , I want to know about every single little

26:07

thing . And so being able

26:09

to tell your patients like

26:11

listen intuitively and

26:14

when you feel something , come up , when you have

26:16

this intuition , if a thought pops

26:18

into your mind , that's so

26:21

telling . And we're often and

26:24

like we're given

26:26

these messages all the time in

26:28

our culture to

26:30

be small

26:32

, yeah , like minimize and

26:35

, and I get that everybody wants

26:37

everybody else to behave and that we

26:39

can't take that example

26:41

and go like radical with it and be really

26:43

big and loud and

26:46

lose our composure . But

26:48

take up your rightful space in

26:50

the world and acknowledge what your body is trying to tell you knowledge

26:52

what your body is trying to tell you . Those

26:55

are often the avenues to healing

26:57

and

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it's , I think , as practitioners , it's really important for us to make sure we

27:08

lay the groundwork for that when our patients come in to see us , because , man

27:10

, that's where the gems are . Yes , yeah

27:13

Well , thanks everybody for joining

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