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is a Cbc podcast. Hi

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my name is Luke Clinton I'm

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a writer and audio producer in

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St. John's Newfoundland a want to

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tell you but my new podcast

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called Combo Child. When

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two men find out they were born

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in the same new from I had

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hospital on the same day, it leads

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the discovery of an unbelievable fifty two

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year old secret. The changes, the way

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they see themselves forever, but the stories

1:01

just beginning because it turns out these

1:04

men are not alone. A series of

1:06

other. Close calls and near misses had

1:08

begun to emerge and not only a

1:10

come by Chance College Hospital, Com A

1:13

Chance is a story about what it

1:15

means to belong in a family and

1:17

how a twist of fate can up

1:20

in the life you thought. You

1:22

knew now. Here's

1:24

the first episode. Of come

1:27

by chance. Were.

1:38

At the edge of the Atlantic Ocean,

1:40

at the edge of the North American

1:42

Continent, in a little town on the

1:45

neck of a peninsula that connects to

1:47

part of the Island of Newfoundland. And

1:51

at this moment in this place a

1:53

little baby is about to be born

1:55

into the world. on

1:59

this december evening in

2:01

1962, Rita Hines has

2:03

two choices. She can go

2:05

to the hospital in Marystown further down the

2:07

Bierham Peninsula or she can go

2:09

to another hospital to the east. But

2:13

tonight there is a snowstorm so

2:16

she gets in the taxi and heads east on

2:18

a narrow gravel road to the town

2:20

of Come by Chance. With

2:25

the cars yellow headlights shining on

2:27

snowflakes and asphalt, Rita

2:29

makes it to the hospital this night in the

2:31

snow. It's

2:40

a white clapboard building that looks like

2:42

an oversized house. Details

2:45

are scarce but a short while after she's

2:47

admitted to the hospital, Rita

2:49

Hines gives birth to a little baby boy.

2:53

Exactly what happens next we

2:56

can only imagine. The

2:58

baby's taken away by a nurse, swaddled up

3:01

in a warm blanket, checked

3:03

and waved and has

3:05

a tiny plastic band put on his

3:07

ankle. On the little

3:09

bracelet there's a name and it

3:11

says, baby

3:13

boy Hines. Nothing

3:17

after this point can be

3:19

easily explained. The

3:27

whole body was shaken. I

3:30

said it could change your life forever

3:32

so are you prepared for it? He said I

3:34

gotta know. I just didn't want to

3:37

talk about it, didn't want to deal with it. All

3:40

by Jesus, that's what she said. And

3:42

she almost fell to her knees. You

3:45

wonder if it was done intentionally.

3:49

I didn't ask for this life somebody made me have it.

3:52

Someone sent me somewhere where I wasn't supposed to be.

3:55

It's changed my life forever. It started

3:57

in this building. I'm

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Luke Quinton and from CBC,

4:05

this is Come By Chance, episode

4:08

1, the birthday party. Okay

4:19

let's haul out the map, zoom

4:21

out and picture where we are. In

4:25

New York or Boston, keep following

4:27

the eastern seaboard north, past

4:30

Nova Scotia, until you

4:32

hit a large triangular island. That's

4:36

Newfoundland. A

4:39

chunk of rock about the size of Iceland, it's

4:42

where I grew up and now live in the

4:44

capital of St. John's. Newfoundland

4:48

may be just off the coast of

4:50

Canada, but culturally it's a world removed.

4:54

And it's not a place that gives up its secrets

4:56

easily. Zoom

4:59

in a little bit, past the white

5:01

crested waves of the North Atlantic, the

5:04

green of the spruce trees and the rough

5:06

rocks I'm sure. The

5:08

island suddenly comes into focus

5:11

with thousands of little hollows,

5:13

coves, bays and arms. Find

5:19

Trinity Bay and Random Island. And

5:22

Southport, Gooseberry Cove, Butter

5:25

Cove, Little Heart to He's. Groups

5:29

of triangular wooden houses nestled on the

5:31

water's edge. Places

5:33

that existed long before roads were built. Little

5:37

villages we call outports. Keep

5:41

West, past Capeland Cove, St. John's

5:43

within and Long Beach. To

5:46

the little community of Hillview. That's

5:51

where we are right now. Two hours outside

5:53

of St. John's on the east coast of the

5:55

island. Overlooking

5:58

the harbor. Outside the little

6:01

post office, it must be one

6:03

of the most scenic post offices in Canada. There's

6:06

a sheen of light as the sun hits the

6:08

white ice and snow. Dotted

6:11

along the bay are little

6:13

micro icebergs which have rolled onto the

6:15

rocky beach. I've

6:20

driven down here to meet with a couple who have lived

6:22

here for decades. Craig and

6:24

Tracy Avery. Hello. Oh

6:26

hi, hi, is this Tracy? Yes. Craig

6:29

said to call when we got into town, I think he said go

6:31

to the gas station, but we're at the post office. Predictably

6:37

because sometimes there are just

6:39

no road signs in Newfoundland. We're

6:41

lost. You lost in the big city? I'm

6:44

telling you, we're over here looking at a bunch of ice

6:46

in the harbour and I

6:49

have no idea how we got here. Okay,

6:51

well you keep coming and you'll pass a

6:54

big orange two-storey on Sunday morning. Hillview

6:57

is beautiful, but increasingly it's

6:59

empty. These days there's

7:01

not even a grocery store. It's

7:04

also windy. Newfoundland

7:13

is one of the windiest places

7:15

in the world. And

7:17

sometimes we wonder why we

7:20

live here. Go.

7:23

Mission. Craig is a big

7:25

guy with strong broad shoulders, thin mustache.

7:28

Tracy Avery has short hair, big

7:30

eyes and is quick to smile. It's

7:36

not that often that you actually find them both here at home. Craig

7:39

and Tracy work a tough schedule that many

7:41

Newfoundlanders have become accustomed to in the recent

7:43

decades. They work

7:45

grueling 11-hour days as laborers, away

7:48

for weeks at a time, building and

7:51

maintaining Newfoundland's huge oil platforms.

7:54

Constructing these enormous metal and concrete structures,

7:56

which will eventually be towed out to

7:58

sea, to drill. for oil is

8:00

how many Newfoundlanders now make a living. It

8:03

is not, to put it mildly, an easy job.

8:07

Sometimes our job is inside of what

8:09

we're building out there. So, you know,

8:11

it's a bit out of the wind

8:13

and then other days you're out in

8:15

the elements, the rain and

8:17

wind and snow or whatever. I

8:19

love it. Yeah, I love it. We

8:23

stand around their kitchen with tea and coffee, feeling

8:25

our way into the story that I'm here to

8:27

ask them about. Back

8:30

in the winter of 2014, one of the

8:32

huge oil platforms called Hebron was being built

8:34

in Trinity Bay and Craig and Tracy were

8:37

both working there. Craig

8:40

in construction and Tracy had just started a

8:42

new job as a cleaner. We

8:45

worked in a big mud hall, we called it,

8:47

right? Building the living quarters for

8:49

the Hebron. So,

8:52

picture a large metal warehouse. Some

8:55

of the doors are over 100 feet high. People

8:58

are busy welding, painting.

9:01

It's loud. There are hundreds of people

9:03

in there. On the

9:06

first day of Tracy's cleaning round, she

9:08

catches sight of a guy among the crowd who

9:10

makes her stop in her tracks. I

9:17

just made that connection when I found

9:19

that, wow, this guy looks so much

9:21

like Clifford. Clifford

9:24

Avery, her husband Craig's older brother.

9:27

She doesn't think much of it, but casually

9:29

mentions it to Craig. I

9:32

may point a thing, there's someone who looks so

9:34

much like Clifford, but that's how we thought of

9:36

it. Because, you know, they say that there's somebody in

9:38

the world that looks like you and

9:40

whatever. So, you know, this could have been

9:42

the person that looks so much like Clifford. A

9:51

little while later, Tracy goes in to clean

9:54

the office of the welding supervisor, a guy

9:57

named Clarence Hines. And

10:00

she realizes that Clarence is the same man she

10:02

had seen earlier on the workshop floor, who

10:05

with his dark hair and mustache, looks

10:07

so much like Clifford Avery, her

10:10

husband Craig's older brother. A

10:18

few weeks later, the workers in the

10:20

department are celebrating Craig Avery's 52nd birthday. If

10:24

it was somebody's birthday on our crew, we would get cake

10:27

and have cake at break time.

10:30

Any excuse for cake. So

10:33

Craig's birthday was no different. After

10:36

they eat the cake and sing happy birthday,

10:39

Tracy gets back to her cleaning shift. When

10:42

she gets around to Clarence's office, Clarence and

10:44

Tracy get to talking about how it's her

10:46

husband's birthday. And

10:48

to Tracy's surprise, Clarence tells her

10:51

it's also his birthday. I

10:53

says, no way. He said, yeah. So

10:55

right away I asked him how old he was. And

10:57

he tried to pass himself off as,

11:00

I don't know, 30 something, which I

11:02

knew was far from true. And

11:04

I'm like, serious? I said, how old are you? Clarence

11:07

says 52. It's the

11:10

same age as her husband Craig. And

11:13

I'm like, no. He said, yeah. And right away I'm

11:15

like, where were you born? And

11:17

when he said come by chance, I think

11:19

I was probably calm on the outside to

11:21

him, but inside I was like, holy crap,

11:24

going out of my mind. And I'm just

11:26

thinking I got to go tell Craig. And

11:29

Craig was working there as well in the tool crib. So

11:32

I just left what I was doing and I just went right

11:34

to the tool crib. The workshop where all

11:36

the welding equipment is signed in and out. And

11:39

I went in and I'm like, you're not going to believe what I'm

11:41

going to tell you. You're not going to believe it. You're not going

11:43

to believe it. Tracy

11:45

runs over to Craig. I

11:48

remember her hands go, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. I

11:50

was going to tell you something. I'm going to blow your mind. I

11:53

think I said, holy Jesus. I said, I got something to

11:55

tell you is going to blow your mind. I

11:58

think he said that, you know. My major

12:00

li wrong I thought Somoza, the

12:02

dunes out the door, science up

12:05

direct and you can go My

12:07

decisiveness on Amazon she says his

12:09

plans, his birthday says well and

12:11

he was born at the same

12:13

hospital suggest for years Barnes said

12:15

converting so much as. Those

12:22

is to me princes and form

12:24

be born. The same day,

12:26

same hospital. Oh My.

12:28

God she said. I noticed a substitute assessed. I

12:32

just knew. I just

12:34

knew. Hi

12:52

I'm Ashley Flowers creator and host of the

12:55

Number One True Crime podcast Crying Gentle Every

12:57

Monday. Me in my best friend Brett break

12:59

down a new case, but not in the

13:02

way you've heard. Before and not the

13:04

case. It's you've heard before. You'll

13:06

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13:08

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13:11

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13:21

to podcasts. In.

13:24

The days after Tracy and Craig,

13:26

a brief discovered that welding supervisor

13:28

Clara Times was born at the

13:30

same hospital. On. The same

13:32

day as Craig's the couple fell

13:34

down a vortex of theories and

13:37

questions. We. Set off in

13:39

bed for nice. To. Drink tea

13:41

and talking about it and wonder. When.

13:44

You have those conversations with you. Think

13:46

of. I don't know

13:49

is this was it was surreal. Me:

13:52

Like is not possible Or this app I'm

13:54

like oh my God of a did what

13:56

mouth and I'll is this real? Is this

13:58

really real? Is? is? Something

14:01

happened is. The.

14:03

What ifs began to spiral. The.

14:05

Biggest what If And Tracy's mind

14:07

was what if Clarence was somehow

14:09

connected to her husband's family? What?

14:11

Does something happened the day they were born? to come

14:14

by Chance College Hospital? Something.

14:16

Almost unthinkable. And

14:18

what does this? could help explain things from

14:20

long ago and Craig's childhood. That

14:22

has left a few people wandering. The

14:29

spring wins continue to hell off the water

14:31

and the bay up to Craig and trace

14:33

his house. Since. This

14:35

story begins with how much Claire time

14:37

to resemble Craig's family? They

14:40

pulled out some photo albums. There's

14:42

motors motor their. Craig

14:44

search pointing to pictures of his brothers and

14:47

his parents so I can see the every

14:49

clan first hand. This. Father's.

14:52

Mother and father. His father

14:54

there and his brother in law. In

14:57

in Both? Yeah. Personal? Do you? Must.

14:59

Mean father. His father there

15:02

and all their. Craig

15:05

shows me pictures of him and his father

15:07

through the years. To

15:10

them in the winter and I

15:12

can weigh standing in the snow.

15:15

Donald every has dark hair and

15:17

abroad knows. He's wearing a plaid

15:19

shirt, hands in his pockets and

15:21

ten years old Craig is just

15:24

passed his hip and later pictures.

15:26

Craig towers over his father. Donald

15:30

was a jack of all trades, the

15:32

fishermen, the construction worker, the carpenter and

15:34

in the winter he worked in the

15:36

woods which surround the town. Rule

15:39

New Finland has changed a lot in

15:41

recent decades. The teaming

15:44

shoals of caught a switch once filled.

15:46

These waters are now all the gone

15:48

and a way of life when with

15:50

them. Though it

15:52

more fun. Hill view now looks like it's about to

15:54

fall apart. The Craig's

15:57

has fond memories of childhood down by

15:59

the water. we

16:03

spend a lot of time of i'm

16:05

the worst kitchen know side facing hunters

16:08

and called funds ernie Els and. Whenever

16:11

father was a boat I was little. And

16:15

to fight off, even arbor

16:18

froze over. There was kids

16:20

everywhere, like two families. nine,

16:22

ten, twelve people. This.

16:33

Plans as Charles and Danny

16:35

father a motor. As

16:37

we flew to the glossy pages of the photo

16:40

album, we take a close look at Craig's brothers.

16:42

Wayne. Clifford. Pride.

16:46

May. And. There and as

16:48

stole his brother Charles. And

16:50

a big old catfish. And.

16:52

There's certain characteristics that begin to

16:55

stick our. Noses really the

16:57

saved Illinois a day. Reno's is really

16:59

distinct as your eyebrows a pushy and

17:01

the a big bushy eyebrows join us

17:03

with. The

17:07

knows the bushy mustache piece of

17:10

the first things Tracy every noticed

17:12

about Clarence Heinz. But

17:15

there was something that he seemed to share

17:17

with her husband's family. A certain glint in

17:19

his eyes. Craig

17:21

took Tracy's what is seriously the

17:24

Clarence might actually be part of

17:26

his family to be a priest.

17:28

What is this could explain those

17:30

things about Craig's past mysteries that

17:33

it never quite add it up.

17:39

For. Experiments Donald and Mildred Avery married

17:41

in the nineteen fifties. They.

17:43

Live their whole lives in hell view. Life.

17:46

Wasn't always easy. Enrolled recently and back then

17:48

for big families. Food. Could

17:50

be scarce and jobs weren't always easy to

17:52

come by to say the least. But.

17:55

We never went but I we had lodged a

17:57

weird suppose we had everything we need it and

17:59

the my. Never have I always had the best of

18:01

everything, but we had everything we needed. The

18:04

fact that the Avery children felt they had everything

18:06

they needed had a lot to

18:08

do with Mildred. Here's

18:10

Craig's older brother, Wayne. Mother

18:13

was really family. Everything was family. And she

18:15

had this all around all the time. Like a

18:17

mother hand going around with the chickens, the hens, the

18:20

baby chicks. She was like that.

18:22

At suppertime, she always put the children

18:24

first. She said that whatever I best

18:26

over, she wouldn't make sure we was all eating first.

18:30

She would eat, but after everyone. After everybody finished

18:32

eating, she took down and eat. In

18:38

the summer, Mildred Avery would take her kids

18:40

on trips to go berry picking. Pick

18:44

us all up and take us away over the hills.

18:48

Picking blueberries, raspberries, maybe partridge berries

18:50

in the fall. This

18:53

mother hen with her chicks. While

18:59

Mildred was quiet and gentle, one

19:02

of her chicks, her son Craig, was

19:05

very different from the rest of his siblings. Mildred

19:09

even used to joke about it. Mother used

19:11

to always say to me, my son, I don't know where

19:13

you come from. You're so different than the rest of them.

19:17

It was almost as if fate had stepped in to

19:19

make Craig stick out from the rest of his family.

19:22

And so much that even neighbors were compelled

19:24

to come in when Mildred Avery first brought

19:26

home Craig as a baby. This

19:30

is Pam, Wayne's wife, who's known the

19:32

Avery since Craig was a teenager. The

19:36

lady across the road said, my God, he doesn't look

19:38

like any of your crowd. Can't think what he looked

19:40

like. He looked like none of yours. So different looking. He

19:43

had straight hair freckles. All of

19:45

us pretty well looking like. We had

19:48

dark complexion too. I mean Craig

19:50

is a tall, big guy. And

19:52

the Avery's are all, I'm not

19:54

going to say small, but there's... Craig

19:57

is over six feet. Just

19:59

a... He differed. We

20:01

were so quiet and shy. Craig was bold

20:03

and crazy. Tracy

20:09

remembers Craig from back then too because

20:12

the couple have known each other since they were just

20:14

kids. When you grow up in

20:17

smart communities everybody knows everybody. So I've

20:19

known Craig since I was like 10 years

20:22

old maybe like he was friends with my older

20:24

brother. It seems as though even

20:26

back then Tracy could tell that Craig had a

20:28

bit of an edge compared to the other boys.

20:31

What was he like? A

20:33

bit of a hard ticket. Because

20:35

I was always ook-going and

20:38

Newfoundland used to be called a ticket so I guess I

20:40

was the ticket. In

20:44

the dictionary of Newfoundland English, a

20:46

hard ticket is described as anyone

20:48

who's constantly getting into trouble fighting

20:50

frequently or playing practical jokes. All

20:54

this to say that basically Craig was... Up to

20:56

no good. You

20:58

can see a hint of that Craig, the

21:00

hard ticket, in the family photos. Maybe

21:04

a bit of an outlaw. There's one

21:06

of him in the cowboy suit. He's

21:08

a tall blonde kid with

21:10

a sort of mischievous look about him. I

21:14

see a bit of a rascal look about you there. Oh yeah.

21:22

Craig didn't share his father Donald's temperament either and although

21:24

they were close there was a restlessness in Craig about

21:27

the relationship. When

21:34

his father went into town for a beer Craig

21:36

insisted on going along even

21:38

when he was just a small kid. If he

21:42

go in to have a beer or something I go in he sit me on

21:44

the bar so by the side and give me a bag of chips and a

21:46

glass of drink and he'd have glass

21:49

of drink and he'd have got a beer and I'd

21:51

be in something the bar's still waiting for. I

21:57

don't know, it's strange. Wherever

22:01

Father went, I had to be there. Was there some

22:03

reason for that? No,

22:05

I was where he went, I had to be there. I

22:08

think the only place he went, I didn't go, was Barrow. I

22:14

want to be able to do what he could do. Yeah.

22:17

Really? I don't know. It's just... Couldn't be close enough. No.

22:23

It seemed like any time that Craig's father tried

22:25

to go somewhere with Adam, Craig

22:27

would get angry and destructive. Craig's

22:36

older brother Wayne remembers this too. Craig

22:38

just says, listen to nobody but... about anything.

22:41

Craig was spiteful and getting mad at different

22:43

things that we didn't, but Craig would. Like

22:46

if his father said, no Wayne, you're not going, that

22:49

would be the end of it. But no Craig, you're

22:51

not going? Oh yeah, I'm going. Oh

22:54

yes, there'd be hell to pay if he didn't get his own way. He

22:56

went somewhere and didn't take me with him. I'd kick

22:58

off a fuss and 12 rocks

23:01

at his truck and he'd get mad and he'd come

23:03

back and he'd take me, he'd pop me in the

23:05

truck and I'd go on with him. Somehow

23:10

Craig's father took it all in

23:12

stride with an almost infinite patience.

23:17

If I was doing what he could, trying to keep

23:19

everybody peace and so on. Because Craig

23:21

would never tantrum. He

23:23

said he feels different, something wouldn't ride he said. He

23:25

said I know growing up with something wrong. He

23:29

didn't fit in at all with us. For

23:34

the family, they just figure that Craig has

23:36

made a different stuff. There's something in his

23:38

temperament that made him this way. But

23:41

was there more to it than that? Something

23:44

outside of our understanding? Newfoundland

23:48

is still a place where people carry food in their pockets. To

23:52

give to fairies in case they get approached in the woods.

23:57

My grandmother would only leave a house through

23:59

the door she came in. came in, lest

24:01

she brought bad luck upon herself. So

24:05

maybe it's not surprising that in a

24:08

place where superstitions are still a vein

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which run through everyday life, when he

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was a kid some people saw in

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Craig Avery's differences something else

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altogether. Many

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communities in rural Newfoundland had local

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charmers, healers said to have special

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powers. The

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most powerful of these was the seventh sun.

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In many different cultures around the world

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including Newfoundland it is said that the

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seventh sun has a very particular power.

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There are stories about these charmed people being woken

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up in the middle of the night to

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stop a deadly bleeding. It

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may seem like an idea from another

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time but for some people in the

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community back then Craig being

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the seventh Avery sun really meant

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something. Like

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the time a neighbour came over to ask for help. Maybe

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the memory of himself as the heart

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ticket among a family of quiet siblings

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as the seventh sun who sat somehow

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apart were some of the thoughts

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and memories running through Craig's mind when

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Tracy came running to the tool crib that

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day with a wild theory. Maybe

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this is the reason he didn't laugh or

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brush it off. Thank

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you. Although

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they had known each other since they were

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kids, Tracy and Craig weren't a couple until

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years later. They'd both been married

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before. When she and

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Craig first got together, Tracy's parents weren't

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exactly thrilled about it. Because they

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did have a little bit of a reputation, but

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I think they like him now. Craig

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and Tracy, whatever her parents thought at the

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time, did get married. On a

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pond in his buddy's backyard. Craig

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showed me a picture. He

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got there sweet and dug two ponds and

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he put a wharf there in one of the ponds and

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that's where we got married. That

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night in particular, Craig cut loose. Tracy

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had to drive us to the hotel. You

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have a good time. Oh yeah, yeah,

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definitely have a good time. Craig's

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brother Wayne remembers one more detail about the

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wedding day. At the time

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he didn't think much about it, but somehow

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it stuck. Tracy's mother was sitting

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behind a pifford. Tracy's

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mother said something a few people had hinted at

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over the years, something which

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had become even a kind of family joke.

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She looked at Craig's. She

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said, I don't give a good goddamn, but

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I can tell you now, Mildred Avery brought that drag

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baby home from the hospital. Everybody

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said it. But

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never thought it was true. In

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December, 2014, when Craig and Tracy found

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out... that Clarence Hines had been

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born in Combey Chance Cottage Hospital

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on the exact same day as Craig. And

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he looked so much like the Avery's. Craig

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decided not to tell his mother Mildred

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anything about their suspicions. She

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was suffering from dementia at the time and

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Craig's father, Donald, had already passed away.

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Craig Avery had seen Clarence Hines many

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times before. They worked together

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almost every day. But

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now Craig had begun to notice something that

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he had never noticed before. You

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look into Clarence Hines and everything is

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just like looking into Mother's eyes. It's

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unbelievable, right? He's facing eyes of

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her. In

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January 2015 Mildred

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Avery died. She was 81 years

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old and Mrs. Avery

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never had a clue what her

28:55

family was about to discover. You

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go to bed believing

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that you're a certain person one

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night and then all of a sudden the next

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day everything that you've known

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is not true. You've

29:36

been listening to Combey Chance, produced

29:38

by Novel for CBC. The

29:42

series is written and produced by me, Luke

29:44

Quinton, and produced and edited

29:46

by Joe Wheeler. Our

29:49

assistant producer is Madeline Parr. Our

29:51

field producer is Rebecca Nolan. Sound

29:55

design and scoring by Daniel

29:57

Kamsen. Groeschne-Neier is our

29:59

digital coordinating producer, Original

30:02

Music by Adam Horn. Music

30:05

supervision by Joe Wheeler and Nicholas

30:07

Alexander. Our senior

30:10

producers are Veronica Simmons, Willow

30:12

Smith, and Damon Fairless. Our

30:15

production managers are Charlotte Wolfe, Cherie

30:17

Houston, and Sarah Tobin. The

30:20

series was developed by Madeline Parr. Creative

30:23

director of development and novel is Willard

30:26

Foxson. The fact-checker is

30:28

Valerio Rocca. Our

30:30

executive producers are Max O'Brien,

30:32

Cecil Fernandez, and Chris Oak. Tanya

30:35

Springer is our senior manager, and

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