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In March two thousand seven, the
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much celebrated writer and film director
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JJ Abrams gave a ted
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talk entitled The Mystery
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Box. In it, he
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outlined the notion of unseen
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mystery as one of his fundamental
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principles of storytelling. In
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order to demonstrate the point, Abrams
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brought along a gift he received from
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a relative back when he was fourteen
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years old, Tannon's
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Magic Mystery Box. The
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box was rather plain, looking like
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a regular brown cardboard box with
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a large black question mark printed
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on the front of it. The
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idea was that although you couldn't see
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what was inside it, the makers
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of the box promised to anyone who
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might buy it that it contained the equivalent
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of fifty dollars worth of magic for
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the price of only fifteen dollars.
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To a fourteen year old kid like Abrams,
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it was an exhilarating gift. Just
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what incredible things might it contain
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that could possibly equate to fifty
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dollars worth of magic? Only
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in all that time Abrams
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had never opened it, as
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he astutely realized, the real
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magic had nothing to do with what was
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actually inside the box, but
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rather in the wandering of what
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might be in the thirty
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six years since the box had been gifted
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to him, it had come to symbolize
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something far more valuable than
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anything that could be inside.
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To Abrams, whose show Lost
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has been described as one of the greatest
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mystery dramas of all time, the
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box was a powerful reminder of
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the infinite potential of story and
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how mystery is the key to
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imagination. With that
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in mind, before we go any further,
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let's try a little experiment. A
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stranger approaches you in the street brandishing
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a suitcase. They say to
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you, what I have in this suitcase
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will change your life.
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Do you want to know what it is? You
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want to know what's in the case, don't you? Would
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you ask them to open it? Or not? Now
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hold on to that thought. We'll come
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back to it later. The
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best mysteries are the boxes
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with lids that remain closed the longest,
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or, like a Chinese box, the ones
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that open only to reveal another
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deeper mystery inside. In
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the context of story, at least, as
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the huge success of Abrams's
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Enigmatic Lost demonstrates,
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perhaps it's better not to open
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the box at all, since the
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revelation of what's inside rarely
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up to expectation. What
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I find most fascinating about
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Abrams's notion of unseen
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mystery is not so much the tease
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of needing to know what's inside the box,
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but how by withholding
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the truth of what it is, like
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some sort of infinity loop, it
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enables us to continually reimagine
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the possibilities. The
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infinite possibility of story is
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not limited to the world of fiction. Some
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interpretations of quantum mechanical
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theories, such as superposition
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and wavefunction collapse, first
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introduced by pioneering physicist
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Werner Heisenberg, suggests
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that subatomic particles and
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by extension, all matter,
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effectively exist as a set of
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infinite possibilities, becoming
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fixed or collapsing into
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a singular state only
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once they are observed or measured.
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For a truly mind bending introduction
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to this phenomena, seek out Professor
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Jim Alkalilly's explanation
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of the double slit experiment, presented
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as part of a lecture for the Royal Institution
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in twenty thirteen. Another
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famous depiction of this strange phenomena
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is Irwin Schrodinger's nineteen thirty
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five thought experiment. Schrodinger's
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Cat, perhaps the most famous
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mystery box of the mall. The
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experiment invites you to imagine
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a box or steel chamber,
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as Schrodinger has it, that contains
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a flask of poison and a hammer
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linked to a Geiger counter tracking
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the potential decay of a radioactive
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substance. A
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cat is placed inside the box, which
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is then sealed, with no way
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for the observer to see what is occurring
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inside. If the
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counter records a single
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atom of decay from the radioactive
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substance, the hammer will
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fall and release a poison, killing
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the cat. However,
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because we can't actually see inside
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the box, it could be said that,
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regardless of what has happened, the
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cat exists in a state of superposition,
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being simultaneously alive and
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dead at the same time. Only
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when we look inside the box, in
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other words, empirically measure
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what has occurred, does the cat's
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actual state become known. It's
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an idea with quite extraordinary
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implications, even horrifying,
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perhaps, the notion of the material
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world as something unfixed
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and indeterminate, only
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settling into place once it has
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been observed. After
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all, is there any knowing who
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or what might constitute
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the observer? Indeed,
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if we allow ourselves to stretch the analogy
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further, wouldn't the true horror
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be in discovering that, having opened
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the box, it isn't us
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who are observing the cat, but
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the cat who's observing us.
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So we're back with the stranger
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in the street brandishing their
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mysterious suitcase. Did
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you decide to open it to
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see the thing inside that will change
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your life? You did?
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Notice that I never said anything
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about it changing your life for
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the better. You're
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listening to Unexplained, and
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I'm Richard McLean Smith.
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All of the events that I'm about to set
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forth in this listing are accurate
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and may be verified with the copies
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of hospital records and sworn
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AffA davits that I'm including
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as part of the sale posted
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in June two thousand and three by
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a then thirty eight year old Kevin
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Manis a furniture and antique
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seller from Portland, Oregon. This
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certainly wasn't your average eBay
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listing. Then again,
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the article for sale was not
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your typical eBay item.
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This was something else entirely.
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The story, according to Kevin,
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begins back in September
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two thousand and one. Kevin
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is the owner of ADDIE's Market, a
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small, used and restored furniture
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business he set up earlier in the
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year. His main area
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of expertise is furniture
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recovery and restoration, but
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what he enjoys more than anything is
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hunting for new and interesting pieces
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to work with. On weekends,
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it's common to find Kevin cruising
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around the Portland suburbs visiting
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yard sales and personal property
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auctions, much like the one
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he is approaching now that's
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September. One weekend, Kevin
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parks his pick up in front of a
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modest sixties low rise
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house. There he
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finds the usual group of curious
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onlookers and amateur collectors
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poking around the bits and pieces that
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are stacked up on the lawn. A
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cursory glance reveals most of the
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items to be old and dated, suggesting
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to Kevin that their owner has recently
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passed away. Although
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a little morbid, it's this kind of sale
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that Kevin relishes, since
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it's often when people die that the
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most interesting items become available.
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Peculiar objects kept
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and treasured for years, once
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loaded with personal meaning, now
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stripped of all but their original
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purpose. After
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purchasing Lock twenty nine, a
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good mix of household furniture. It's
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only when Kevin is loading the items
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onto his truck that he notices
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one particular piece for the first
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time, A peculiar
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little cabinet unlike anything
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else in the sale. Roughly
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a foot wide and just over sixteen
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inches tall, it's made from
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a richly colored, if slightly scuffed,
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mahogany and adorned on the
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front with two bunches of grapes
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shaped from brass. Kevin
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recognizes it as a wine cabinet
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common in Jewish households, often
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used as a ceremonial piece for
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a number of Jewish rituals. I
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see you bought the dibbook box. Kevin
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turns to find a young woman standing
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behind him. Dibbock
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box, he asks.
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The box, the woman explains,
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was one of only three items that
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her grandmother, Havela, brought to America
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when she arrived from Europe after the
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Second World War. According
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to Kevin, Avela was born in
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Poland, where she'd lived before
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the German army invaded in nineteen
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thirty nine, after which she
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was sent to a concentration camp, where
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she lost contact with her entire
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family. After
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managing to escape, she made
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her way to Spain, where it's
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thought she purchased the strange box.
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Aveala would never see her family
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again, but thanks to the sanctuary
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offered by the United States,
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she was able to build a new life, a
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new home, and a new family
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before passing away at the age
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of one hundred and three.
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Moved by her story, Kevin
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no longer sees the item as just
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a piece for him to sell, but as
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something with great history and weight.
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Without hesitating, he offers it
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back to the woman. Her response
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is unexpected, No,
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I don't want anything to do with it. Please,
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it's yours now. Kevin
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is a little alarmed, but agrees
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to take it. Why
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is it called a dibbook box? He asks.
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The woman tells him that ever since
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she was young, her grandmother kept
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the box in her sewing room, closed
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and out at the reach of the small,
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prying hands of children. Whenever
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the woman asked what was in it, her
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grandmother would spit through her fingers
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three times and say it was a
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dibbuk, insisting the
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cabinet should never be opened under
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any circumstances. As
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for what a dibuok is exactly, the
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woman isn't able to say, do
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you want to open it with me, Kevin jokes.
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The woman's face darkens again.
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No, she says. Kevin
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looks back to the quaint little box.
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Are you sure you don't want to keep it? He
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asks? You bought
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it, We don't want it, says
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the woman, before turning away
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and walking back to the house, leaving
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a amused and stunned Kevin to
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finish loading up the rest of his goods.
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After arriving back at his furniture
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shop, Kevin takes his new purchases
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down to the basement for logging. Later
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that afternoon, with
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a few more errands to run, he heads
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out again, leaving his assistant
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Jane, in charge until his return.
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With business a little slow on the shop
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floor, Jane takes the opportunity
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to make a start on the new items. As
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she descends into the cold darkness
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of the basement, she feels
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a profound sense of unease. A
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moment later, almost without
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realizing, she finds herself
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staring at a funny looking cabinet
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with two bunches of metal grapes
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on its doors. That sense
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of unease now unmistakable
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as the feeling of being watched.
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A ringing phone snaps her out of
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it, running back
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up to the shop floor. Jane
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answers the call, but there
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is only silence at the other end.
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A loud crash comes from
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somewhere below.
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Hello, says Jane, stepping
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down into the basement. Moving
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further in, she sees with some relief
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the cause of the disturbance. A
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phosphorescent light bulb has blown,
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scattering shards of milky white
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glass across the floor. Jane
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finds a broom and cleans up
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the mess. As she brushes
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the broken glass, rattles
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and scuffs against the floor. The
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broom's bristles swish, but
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through the suscration, Jane
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is certain she can hear something
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else. She stops
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for a moment and strains to listen.
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It sounds like somebody is
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whispering to her. It's
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quiet at first, like tiny
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licks of wind whipping at her
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ears, getting louder
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and louder until she can almost
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pick out whole words and their
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dark, unmistakable tone
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of malice. Smash,
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another light ball blows, raining
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glass all over the floor and
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plunging the basement into complete
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darkness. Jane drops
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the broom and runs straight for the
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exit, but the basement
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gate has somehow swung shut
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and locked itself, trapping
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her underground. She
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pulls and rattles the bars, screaming
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for help. Kevin
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is a few blocks away when he picks
15:28
up the phone to find a frantic Jane
15:30
on the other end. Does someone
15:33
hear? She keeps saying someone
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smashing the place up. Before
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Kevin can make any sense of it, the
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line goes dead. When
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he returns to the shop, Kevin
15:45
finds it completely silent, with
15:48
no light coming from the floor below,
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and when he calls out for Jane, he
15:53
gets no response. Grabbing
15:57
a torch from under the counter, he
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races down to the basement, only
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to find the gate locked shut.
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He fumbles for the key and hurriedly
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jams it into the lock. With
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one turn, the gate swings
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open. Kevin
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flicks the light switch, but the room
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remains dark. He
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switches on the torch, unleashing
16:20
a bright beam of light into the space,
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then takes a step forward. Just
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then he's hit by an unexpected
16:29
and pungent odor, sickly
16:31
sweet like cat urine.
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He thinks glass
16:36
cracks under his feet. Moving
16:38
the torch about, is shocked to see
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that every light bulb in the room has
16:43
blown out. The
16:45
light catches something crouched
16:47
on the floor at the far end
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of the room. Kevin
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freezes as it starts to
16:53
move. It's Jane,
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stuff you, says Jane, pushing
17:00
asked him a stunt.
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Kevin is still standing downstairs
17:04
in the dark when he hears the shop's
17:06
bell ring, followed by the
17:08
slamming of the front door. Jane
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never returns to work at ADDIE's Market,
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believing that Kevin had played a hideous
17:17
prank on her. For
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Kevin's part, he could be forgiven
17:22
for thinking Jane herself might have had
17:24
something to do with it. It
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certainly doesn't occur to either of them
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that perhaps the small mahogany
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cabinet was to blame. It's
17:43
a month later and Kevin
17:45
is finally getting round to fixing
17:47
up the so called Dibbuk box. He
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thinks it'll make the perfect present for
17:53
his mother Ida's upcoming birthday.
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He pulls it out from the back of the basement
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and places it on his worktop. He's
18:02
just about to unlock the clasp when
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he remembers the warning of the seller's
18:06
grandmother never
18:09
open it. With
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a shrug, He flicks back the
18:14
clip and pulls open the
18:16
doors. As
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he does, something unexpected
18:21
occurs. A small drawer
18:23
at the bottom opens simultaneously.
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Inside it are two old
18:29
pennies and two locks of hair.
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Kevin pulls the drawer open further, and
18:35
the doors follow suit, as if
18:37
the box itself were offering
18:39
its contents to him.
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Looking inside the cabinet, Kevin
18:44
is confused. On the
18:47
inner side of the door, he finds a
18:49
cup and brackets for holding wine
18:51
bottles, as he'd anticipated, but
18:54
he didn't expect to find the other
18:56
bizarre objects inside.
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He stuck with the pieces in the drawer,
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he takes out the two pennies first,
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one is from nineteen twenty five
19:08
and the other from nineteen twenty
19:10
eight. Next, he takes
19:12
out the wine cup that appears to
19:14
be made of gold and places
19:17
it on the side next to the pennies.
19:20
In the main box, he finds
19:22
a dried rosebud and a
19:24
ghoulish looking cast iron candlestick
19:27
with four octopus like
19:30
tentacles curling around the
19:32
base. Then he
19:34
picks up the strands of hair and
19:37
examines them closely. One
19:39
lock is curly tangled
19:42
and reddish blonde in color, the
19:44
other much darker, almost
19:47
black, and straight. Both
19:50
are undoubtedly human Kevin
19:54
also finds an oddly shaped granite
19:56
statue with the Hebraic Shalom
20:00
meaning peace, engraved in copper
20:02
on its front. The entire
20:05
thing is like nothing he's seen
20:07
before. With
20:10
all the pieces removed, Kevin
20:12
gently starts rubbing lemon oil into
20:14
the wood when he notices something
20:16
else written in Hebrew across
20:19
the back of the cabinet. Unable
20:21
to read Hebrew, however, Kevin
20:24
simply finishes the oiling, then
20:26
returns the items to the box and
20:29
carefully closes its doors.
20:32
A few days later, Kevin's mother,
20:34
Ida arrives at ADDIE's Market
20:37
to find Kevin waiting for her with
20:39
his newly restored gift.
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Happy Birthday, Mum, He says,
20:45
what do you think? Ida
20:47
smiles politely, not quite
20:49
sure what to make of the peculiar item,
20:52
as Kevin places it on a table, then
20:55
heads downstairs to finish off
20:57
a few jobs before they can go
20:59
for lunch. Ida
21:01
takes a seat and feels a small
21:04
breeze rushed through the shop. When
21:07
she looks up, she finds, to
21:09
her astonishment that the doors
21:11
of the box have opened. With
21:14
the overwhelming urge to touch it,
21:17
she rises from her chair and
21:19
takes a step toward it. When
21:22
she places her hand on it, she is
21:24
gripped by an extraordinary feeling of
21:26
power, as if she's just been
21:28
plugged into the manes. In
21:31
a panic, she tries to pull away,
21:33
but she can't move. The
21:36
left side of her mouth begins
21:38
to sag. When Kevin
21:40
returns, he finds his mother
21:43
completely unresponsive, with
21:45
tears streaming down her face.
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Ida was apparently found to have suffered
21:57
a stroke, resulting in the partial
21:59
para of her left sight and
22:01
a loss of speech. After
22:04
being treated at the local hospital, she
22:06
is settled onto a ward with
22:09
Kevin by her side. Unable
22:11
to talk, she picks up a pad
22:13
of paper and a pen from the bedside
22:15
table. She scribbles something
22:18
down, then rips off the top
22:20
sheet and hands it to him. It
22:23
says no gift.
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Kevin is confused. Does
22:28
she mean he didn't get her a birthday present?
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He rubs her hand and reassures
22:34
her that he did. He gave her
22:36
the wine box. Ida
22:38
becomes agitated and shakes
22:40
her head. She scribbles furiously
22:43
on the pad again, then turns
22:45
it round to reveal the words hate
22:48
gift. With
22:50
Ida not wanting the box, Kevin
22:53
offers it first to his sister. She
22:55
returns it a week later, complaining
22:58
that the doors won't stay shut,
23:00
so he gives it to his brother and sister
23:03
in law, who also return it
23:05
days later. Upset by
23:07
the strange cat urine like
23:09
odor it seems to exude, Kevin
23:14
takes it back to the shop, where
23:16
a middle aged couple take a shine
23:18
to it and duly take it off
23:20
his hands, only to return
23:22
it. The following day, Kevin
23:25
finds it waiting for him on the doorstep
23:27
of the shop, with an odd note
23:30
taped to it that reads this
23:32
box as an old darkness
23:35
about it. In the
23:37
end, he decides to take it home
23:40
and keep it for himself.
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Kevin is walking through an enchanted
23:51
autumnal scene alongside
23:54
an old friend, but as
23:56
they walk through the burnt orange and
23:58
browns of a forest path way, something
24:02
begins to shift out of place. He
24:05
turns to his friend, whose
24:07
face is now morphing and twisting
24:09
into a grotesque mask, until
24:12
it is replaced entirely by
24:14
the gruesome features of an almost
24:17
inhuman looking elderly lady,
24:20
her dark, sunken eyes exuding
24:22
what he takes to be a deep,
24:25
primordial and unfathomable
24:27
evil. Then suddenly
24:30
she sets upon him with startling
24:32
ferocity, beating and tearing
24:35
at his skin. Kevin
24:37
wakes with a scream. Sweat
24:40
drips from his forehead as its heart
24:42
thumps audibly in his chest. He
24:45
hurriedly switches on his bedside
24:47
light. When he looks
24:49
down, he finds that its body
24:52
is covered in welts and bruises.
24:56
That was only the first night.
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Soon, Kevin becomes
25:03
convinced that something is stalking
25:05
him in his house. Sometimes,
25:08
when he senses movement in the corner
25:11
of his eye, he looks up to
25:13
see black, wispy shapes seemingly
25:16
retreating into the shadows.
25:25
Afraid of what others might think, As
25:27
he explained in his eBay listing,
25:30
Kevin keeps his nightmares and visions
25:32
to himself for the next eighteen
25:35
months. At some
25:37
point, Kevin's sister and brother
25:39
come to stay with him, along with his
25:42
brother's wife. One
25:44
morning, over breakfast, Kevin's
25:46
sister complains of a hellish nightmare
25:49
she had the previous night, involving
25:51
a fearsome elderly lady. Kevin's
25:55
sister in law stops eating and
25:57
looks nervously at the others,
26:00
as she explains, she had
26:03
the exact same dream too.
26:07
In fact, according to Kevin, all
26:09
four of them apparently had it, and
26:12
that wasn't the first time together.
26:15
They realized the nightmares occurred
26:18
whenever they'd each been looking after
26:20
the Dibbuk box. Although
26:23
Kevin is unwilling to believe the old
26:25
wine cabinet has anything to do with it,
26:28
he puts it away in a storage space behind
26:30
the house for some peace of mind.
26:33
Later that night, through the fogginess
26:36
of sleep, Kevin hears
26:38
a distant siren. It's
26:41
the smoke alarm in the storage unit.
26:44
Fearing the place is burning down, Kevin
26:47
races to the unit, only to
26:49
find there is no fire, just
26:52
the potent stench of cat urine.
26:56
After going back to bed, Kevin
26:58
wakes again at four point thirty with
27:01
the sensation that someone
27:03
is breathing on his neck. Looking
27:06
up suddenly, he claimed that
27:08
he then saw a large humanoid
27:11
shadow disappearing into
27:13
the hallway. Kevin
27:16
had had enough. As
27:20
Kevin explained in his eBay listing,
27:23
he wasn't religious or superstitious
27:25
in the slightest so to think
27:27
this harmless box might have
27:29
some kind of spiritual power was
27:31
a nonsense to him. Yet
27:34
how many of us, despite inner
27:36
certainty and our better judgment,
27:39
will still avoid walking under a ladder,
27:42
or will feel a little tightening of the chest
27:44
when a black cat walks across
27:46
our path. The easiest
27:49
solution for Kevin was to throw
27:51
the box away or burn it, but
27:53
he just can't shake the thought what
27:57
if? What if
27:59
the box was cur What
28:01
if destroying it would unleash
28:03
the curse indefinitely upon himself
28:06
and all his loved ones? Would
28:08
he want to carry that burden for
28:11
the rest of his life? And
28:13
so instead of destroying
28:16
it, he listed it on eBay
28:19
so someone else could take it off
28:21
his hands. You've
28:25
been listening to Unexplained Season
28:27
seven, episode twenty three.
28:30
The Box, Part one of three,
28:33
Part two will be released next Friday,
28:36
June seventh. This
28:39
episode was written by Richard McClain
28:42
smith. Unexplained as an Avy
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Club Productions podcast created
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by Richard McClain Smith. All
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other elements of the podcast, including the
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music, were also produced by me
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Richard McClean smith. Unexplained.
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