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This is part two of and found

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coverage of the disappearance of eight include.

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Veuve not yet listened

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application. Aden

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Jerome clone. Was a nineteen

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year old from Sonoma, California. He

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was an only child and a

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creative kid. On April

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twenty sixth, twenty Twenty Two eight

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and had a disagreement with

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his grandparents in Utah. The

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next day, Aden Struck was

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found on the side of

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the highway outside Wells, Nevada

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with shoe prints heading off

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into the distance. He

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was never. Seen.

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Again, I'm.

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At done so. And

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this is and. And.

1:07

Co. Co to

1:09

I had. I've never had it at that

1:11

point. I mean, I.

1:14

Was. Awake. All.

1:17

Night about I. Went.

1:19

On google earth and looking for where

1:21

he might you know we had family

1:23

in Michigan. Not very bad at me

1:25

at family and. Hard and I don't

1:27

like that going to Florida I have

1:30

no idea when I would like in

1:32

the living room and thought I might

1:34

have. You know all of

1:36

that tightening up or anything China

1:38

are even know me? And.

1:42

Then the next morning I. Ah,

1:45

I did get a thing and it didn't

1:47

fit. The banks are funny, you know, like

1:49

how. Were. Pumping

1:52

for comment before they come

1:54

in. Not and chronological. Order

1:57

know they don't. Yeah.

1:59

And. The next morning I

2:01

thought I heard of. There

2:05

was a. Bit. Such as

2:07

this was the twenty six. This would

2:09

be awesome. If

2:12

the for twenty six that he was kicking

2:14

off by don't wanna at wanting to too

2:16

far ahead of myself. So I just contact

2:18

him again and I and I was able

2:20

to talk to him again I said and

2:23

he picked of. He picked up the phone

2:25

surprisingly after a while and I said eat

2:27

and what happens. If

2:30

in half and I said even what

2:32

happened to you But why did you

2:34

see. Them up Adidas he didn't wanna. Out.

2:37

Of a mom. What did he say? You

2:39

know I I just in huge wasn't give

2:42

me a straight answer. And

2:44

so I when I started asking on

2:46

you know, trying to figure out what's

2:48

going on? please stop these overpaid and

2:50

then you end up on me. And

2:53

so I'm I'm going to be trying to

2:55

contact him. I have. Then. He

2:57

picks up the phone again and ice

3:00

axe cheer he's talking to me and

3:02

I that are you okay and and.

3:05

You. Know trying to get them to same stuff

3:07

that I. Have.

3:11

No other. Arm

3:13

and A You can yeah I heard of

3:15

some I in the background of Up With

3:17

That because what not Be as the Devil's

3:20

the sunlight I you're at a truck stop

3:22

and he didn't say anything. And

3:25

I have. A

3:28

hotel. My god it's somewhere safe and he says

3:31

I will not be huge. So

3:33

tired. I could

3:35

steer in his voice like this:

3:37

Sauce Okay mom. And

3:40

supplier He was exhausted. I can

3:42

hear it in his voice. you

3:44

know, like everything in his badge.

3:46

Exhaustive. So. I'm a

3:49

little while later. Call Me system. In

3:51

October, I'm in a hotel room and.

3:54

So. I you know I said.

3:57

Nice. Nice try to sleep. Have

4:00

you know you need to rest and. He.

4:04

asked me. Yeah,

4:10

she asked me to read to

4:12

him. Well. As so.

4:15

Yeah. He said i just wanna hear

4:17

your voice I was up to this wasn't

4:20

the same conversation the track sleep she said

4:22

in a in a text me back and

4:24

finish exactly back and huge break out of

4:26

the sex which is each new said her

4:29

voice com. And or maybe

4:31

not a hopping on sleep and I said

4:33

okay. Arms reading to and

4:35

he said okay and I'm like his

4:37

coffee first thing in the morning eaten

4:39

is call me the first thing. And.

4:44

He. So I'm up

4:46

all night again. Farmers on

4:49

my chest. I'm. I'm.

4:51

Looking between. A

4:53

message pewter, you know acted like

4:55

a computer or end. Of

4:58

I also called between the effect

5:00

of a cop Sonoma County back

5:02

and I. I. Need

5:05

you to you know he's he's

5:07

in danger and suspected as a

5:09

skinny partnership with the side of

5:11

the cinema county sheriff and he

5:14

said he just not be criteria

5:16

or because Aden was over eighteen

5:18

else. Are you know this doesn't

5:20

mean everything really difficult. You appear

5:23

at one point. I called

5:25

the hospital. this is before he left

5:27

the called the hospital. And I

5:29

asked them to please get in a message

5:31

to the doctor that something was wrong with

5:33

it. And if you know I didn't know

5:35

if he was on medication, he went to the

5:37

doctors. A week before he

5:39

left and I asked him with everything

5:41

okay with it and so I said.

5:44

I wasn't sure if he isn't isn't

5:46

that a kitchen or what. You.

5:48

Know and and so I was. I was telling a

5:50

please just something wrong and they said if you need

5:52

help they'll call us. She. And then

5:55

she literally hung up on me. And.

5:58

I called. The county can

6:00

and and ask for help and eight

6:03

thirty one he you need to call

6:05

and as. In

6:07

our A and I told. You

6:10

I'm really worried about in the nuts. When

6:12

he decided he said okay I'll go to

6:14

tell you know so. That

6:17

night, that Sheila sort of.

6:21

So. Are. So

6:24

at this point you know, going from

6:26

the April Twenty Six and April Twenty

6:28

Seven deep, he wanted you to read

6:30

you to read to him and he

6:32

was fired. Yeah.

6:35

Yeah, and I couldn't I couldn't

6:37

hear how exhaust he was. an

6:39

arm and of. I

6:41

still didn't know implies. That

6:45

so on, The

6:48

we had a couple more tax you know

6:50

and. I think one more

6:52

was like right around after midnight.

6:55

it was your wine and. He

6:58

said he wanted me. He goes mom I

7:00

want you to download download telegram. And

7:03

as he sent me a link and I said

7:05

what he says and he says oh it's just

7:08

a things are downloaded as that isn't it says

7:10

it's for Apple has How do I guess that

7:12

downloaded He had an Apple brand new Apple. And

7:15

armed never My mom is another. It's

7:18

okay. And the of. And. I

7:20

said okay, call me first thing in the

7:22

morning though. right around five The morning I

7:24

have. I

7:28

wanted to call him. And

7:36

I knew. I knew he didn't

7:38

have enough sleep. But

7:41

I have searched on that about five thirty in

7:43

the fourth. The

7:47

seat. I thought that be

7:49

really upset with her. Paw

7:53

I waited for about. Seven.

7:56

Or. Eighty seven

7:59

thirty at night. You

8:02

know, Com you wafer.

8:05

And there was no reply-in

8:07

between that. I

8:11

don't know, so I think they'd already been

8:13

on. The of. Are

8:16

on the computer. At

8:18

a time and I saw something conducted

8:21

a church that he had gotten gas

8:23

at. A Chevron is a. Went.

8:25

Over. To. I looked

8:27

up, went over so disappointing a

8:29

twenty seven and immediately. I

8:32

call. Ah I

8:34

see that went over and west

8:36

went over there on on the

8:39

seat line. Them. Time

8:41

you saw in Nevada and media Most people don't

8:43

know going to know where that is was he

8:45

was Wendover is on the border be died in

8:47

the van and riding. Yeah,

8:51

it's on eighty and it's it's window for

8:53

on the Utah side and west windows are

8:55

among the Nevada side. Yeah there's this this

8:58

arch that you tried to between two casino

9:00

and unity go from one state, the Us.

9:03

And south. And

9:05

so I have to the county and

9:07

so I'm on the computer like what

9:09

county is this new knowledge and there's

9:11

no nine? one one with somebody is

9:13

that far away from you know you're

9:15

looking at the numbers and so I

9:17

paused or coffee one went over. please.

9:20

I. Told them the situation on your

9:22

missus all an ominous in a panic

9:24

you know and I call on I

9:26

called questions over to leave a call

9:29

to be under Utah. To.

9:31

Me to Cheney and he says i

9:34

i fall off a painting. And

9:38

they go all over there are called all of

9:40

those guys and they go all over to Now

9:42

I know he's headed west. And eighty.

9:45

And. And

9:47

so you know I. They.

9:50

Looked all over the place and they're

9:52

They're all over the hotels their the

9:54

looking for distraught. Everywhere

9:56

and at this point there is a flurry

9:58

of activity. I have. And

10:01

a problem. In a restricted

10:03

online. Such a the law enforcement. And

10:06

and and I'm getting calls for read

10:08

some restricted numbers while I'm on the

10:11

line with other law enforcement if it's

10:13

so, I. Was. So

10:15

hard I mean dismiss this as

10:17

a traumatic experience. I couldn't do

10:19

anything fast enough New. Can't do

10:21

it fast enough and things are not

10:24

happening fast enough and so on. I

10:27

guess is weird. Call for. Some unrestricted

10:29

phone number and at this point I

10:31

didn't know where he where he was.

10:33

No on because I couldn't reach him.

10:35

I didn't know that he has stayed

10:38

at the six at this point in

10:40

Cook County. Found out later because he

10:42

keeps tabs. And I'm.

10:45

So. So. Now I don't

10:47

know if he's even in Cook County. He.

10:50

Could have gone south and ninety three,

10:52

you know. and I saw that Las

10:54

Vegas and so I call around eleven

10:56

fifteen I call the N H P.

10:59

And. A dispatch and I'm pleased

11:01

to see. Oh. Yeah,

11:03

and she tells me. She.

11:07

Tells me up. Well

11:10

who did you make the report with

11:13

and I said i'm not much tell

11:15

me and and I also. Need

11:17

a report which is. Also

11:19

county. For.

11:21

I had been in contact with in Cook County that.

11:24

I think this point. I had already

11:26

tried to make a report

11:28

with them and I'm a.

11:31

Cast of even believed he was traveling.

11:33

Obviously he was getting gas. say he's

11:35

going through. Going through the

11:37

balance. Sheets. No.

11:42

No. I'm talking to you. Have

11:45

I talked every single jurisdiction that my things

11:48

have enough? He was having a mental breakdown.

11:50

He. Was having some kind of

11:53

psychosis or something and I

11:55

told every single. Law.

11:57

Enforcement. Jurisdiction.

11:59

That I call. I. Told-

12:02

And. Of. And. I told her

12:04

that and I gave her the description of

12:06

the vehicle and this was Eleven fifteen. On

12:10

the twenty seven am in the morning. In

12:14

the morning. And.

12:20

And. Today had already. He

12:23

had already. Bought. It

12:26

find it was hard as it became

12:29

the morning. They.

12:31

Had already Verizon by the tiny

12:33

corner of Eleven City Surfer This

12:35

we tiny prodded Levin. fifteen is

12:37

the be pacific Time they had

12:40

already seen in his truck on

12:42

the side of the road in

12:44

Nevada. Yes,

12:47

Are kind of and it on

12:49

another one later when we got

12:51

audience-cam. Footage it was clear as

12:53

the bell. You could hear it.

12:56

He he he. Talked dispatched

12:58

the plate numbers and they said you're missing

13:00

and twenty one. Is

13:03

T he's missing and twenty one and under. Current.

13:06

And well, And

13:09

that is Suzanne, which is.

13:11

Of. When. You are.

13:14

Report. Some launch twenty one and under.

13:16

Your skin the ages of eight One.

13:19

On. A have to be uploaded to

13:21

the and see I see within two hours. I

13:23

don't think that happened and some county. I

13:26

think it's a. Five

13:29

hours saw on the Ncrc.

13:32

And. Do a

13:34

search immediately and that was one of the advice

13:36

that I had no accounting what I'm telling them.

13:39

he misses a injured and. In a nice

13:41

of what he wanted, Would he want us

13:43

to believe nine years you know and accept

13:45

any amount of sight? And.

13:49

Of this, the soft third. Patrol.

13:51

Guy he said it is coming up to do

13:53

and motors. And. And

13:56

me Casino. This was months and months and

13:59

months later. It all on the old

14:01

on hello let me jump in here Amy

14:03

So you call Eleven says scene and is

14:05

it Eleven Fifteen on April twenty seventh When

14:07

they tell you that the cars are, the

14:09

truck has already been located. Now

14:12

no one do you find that out. Of

14:16

Morning Of Twenty Eight. Okay.

14:18

sang of part. Time

14:20

Off: Nine Am Twenty four. Hours

14:23

later. Okay, So. Sky.

14:26

On a Twenty Seven Seasons

14:28

car of. He.

14:32

He has. he passed on and

14:34

he turned around because he was

14:36

coming and going on ninth street

14:39

and is already talking insane. I

14:41

fear there's a you can even

14:43

seeing structure of the obviously posture

14:45

the city's turning around. voters. And

14:49

on his driving north towards

14:51

him Aden was headed south

14:54

and so then there's the

14:56

there's many a large cold

14:58

weather station on. Each.

15:01

Side Of Ninety Three. And.

15:03

Across from there's where truck was

15:05

in. know that a coffin like

15:08

a new charm us is a

15:10

horseshoe place as the weather station.

15:13

And. says a. The officer pulled into

15:15

the you go through it and then

15:17

and then crossed the highway to pull

15:19

in behind a shot. And.

15:22

Keep, she runs the place

15:24

and and dispatch comes back.

15:26

Eight include a H, Nineteen,

15:29

Twenty One and Under. And

15:31

A he's missing, missing and twenty one

15:33

and under. And the

15:36

sky and looked around. It

15:38

was there for less than five minutes. I

15:42

believe civil athletes to their i

15:44

watched Euro truck or passenger doors

15:46

open in their items strewn all

15:49

over the the side passenger door.

15:51

It is vital. His. Backpack

15:53

in their his wallet is in

15:55

there. And. his backpack

15:57

and a duffel bag There's

16:02

stuff strewn out on the ground. And

16:06

so he says, well, it looks like

16:08

there's nobody here. He shuts the

16:10

door and he doesn't even have

16:12

another call and drives away. Now,

16:15

Suzanne's law says that there's

16:17

a report of somebody missing

16:20

21 and under, but you have

16:22

to start a search

16:24

immediately. And if

16:28

you have another call that is

16:30

life-threatening, then you can go to that. But

16:32

if you don't, even if it's just like

16:35

property damage or something, you

16:37

know, somebody argument, you know, in the

16:39

house, you have to look at the

16:41

missing person. He had zero calls. He

16:43

had no call waiting for him. He

16:46

says, well, nobody here shuts

16:48

the door, shuts Aiden's

16:50

door, marks it and

16:53

drives away. When did you finally get to

16:55

see this? It

16:59

was the summer, was

17:01

it the summer of 22? It

17:06

was like, I believe August

17:09

of 22. Okay.

17:12

Yeah. And it's later

17:14

than- So why, how did, I need to ask

17:17

you, how did you get to see that? I

17:19

mean, you should know, you know, families don't even

17:21

usually get to see missing persons reports. You got

17:23

to see a badge cam. How did that happen?

17:28

Well, it's public record. Okay. So what

17:30

I did was, I

17:32

went back in like June,

17:36

or it was June, I believe. This was

17:39

the one time I was in Nevada by

17:41

myself and my family was very nervous about

17:43

that. And I went to

17:45

the NHP office and I went

17:47

in and I went up to the little kiosk

17:49

there and she comes up and I said, I

17:52

would like to see the, the

17:55

dispatch notes. I'm

17:59

Amy Clune. I'm here if I want

18:01

to dispatch an officer on 27. And

18:04

she goes, just a minute. And

18:06

she goes into this

18:08

office. And this office door

18:10

is open. And she walks across the office.

18:12

And she goes into this open door

18:15

that's part of a hallway with a

18:17

lot of office doors. And

18:19

she's in there. So she's in there. And

18:21

she's in there. Then another

18:23

person. I

18:26

see another person go in there. And

18:30

then somebody else is walking by and they go in

18:32

there. Then a

18:35

female officer comes out of another office and she

18:37

goes in there. I

18:40

was like, how many people is that? Well,

18:42

there obviously is one person in there already. Now there's five

18:44

people in there. And

18:47

I can tell you how loud. So I had a little

18:49

note box. And I'm really livid.

18:52

But I kept myself calm. And I

18:54

made myself sit on this little chair.

18:57

And finally she comes out. And she

18:59

goes, well, we're not going to be able to give you the dispatch.

19:02

I mean, you can make a request. I

19:04

said, I'd like to talk to somebody. I

19:08

want, you know, she goes,

19:10

just a minute. Some people are going to come out and

19:12

talk to you. So these two officers come out and talk

19:14

to me. A male officer.

19:17

And I'm asking them, why

19:20

didn't you call

19:24

Sonoma County? What is

19:26

going on here? And

19:28

they're just like, we can talk about it. We

19:31

don't know anything. Yeah,

19:34

one of the people said they didn't

19:36

know that he was

19:38

missing or something like that. I

19:42

had my notes. I don't have my notes with me right now. I

19:45

took all the notes about it. And

19:47

I was really livid

19:49

that I made sure I sat in my chair and

19:51

never once stood up. And I

19:53

said, I want to see that. I

19:56

Want the records. And They told me, well, you're going to have

19:58

to make a formal. Primary records of

20:01

so you can get a lawyer. There's

20:03

also the thing father is other grammar.

20:07

Of a semi. I.

20:10

Don't know what that acronyms for both

20:12

of. You know, for four years. So I. I

20:15

I said okay and I actually was Can

20:17

another was just so worth it. I wanted

20:19

some answers like why didn't you call. Elko.

20:23

Why? Didn't you call elbow? I had been on

20:25

the phone telephone. he says something. They will learn

20:27

different frequencies mean you don't really talk to

20:29

each other yet Every time you my sister

20:31

go back. Down. To wells we see them. To

20:34

next to each other talking. You.

20:37

Know. Me: And

20:40

Hp and Intel have any

20:42

sure you're sitting in common.

20:47

And I don't believe that first thing. I

20:49

don't believe that. There's

20:51

a lot of stuff outside for else to.

20:54

Talk to. A

20:56

lot of stuff know on earth are gonna hide

20:58

Iowa I don't get off topic here, I just

21:00

them as the new. How did you finally get

21:02

to see the birds? Do. Letters

21:07

that has three. One.

21:09

As. As of people. That

21:11

are supposed to come back to the on

21:14

the first one o'clock in the mail. Second

21:17

one I such as the city, the

21:19

headquarters and. I

21:22

do. I didn't get a green think

21:24

that's none. Neither do I send a

21:26

third one today. I'll go station. And

21:29

arms fine. Have a said we're

21:31

going to send you a. They.

21:33

Told me how to set up an accounting, the

21:35

kidney of ten and and I was in it

21:38

at those items with the in their. Report

21:40

which was literally like. Those.

21:43

Can I mean new? Single.

21:45

There was one page business but there

21:48

were no just such. I didn't see

21:50

any dispatch know an armed and they

21:52

have the the Body Canada and easier.

21:56

And. In the-cam because you know

21:58

the it's public sector. Okay,

22:01

Are you know I just a lot

22:03

of jurisdictions. I send requests for

22:06

record. So

22:09

that so you got to see the bad. can

22:11

see that logging somewhere in there was a video

22:13

online. Yeah

22:15

and they have the to videos. And.

22:17

The report. And sides. I

22:20

just, you know download. Let

22:23

me ask you know it's a go

22:25

back and take a deeper look at

22:27

some these things. So this police officer

22:29

did come across it didn't do what

22:31

he was supposed to do. We have

22:33

Susie's Law the yes his name after

22:36

Susie loud and the first disappearances is

22:38

that was ever featured. On.

22:40

Found out he upstairs

22:42

and flaw in Russia

22:44

Yeah, Susan's law, yeah.

22:46

and so. You. Find

22:48

out about this about his truck being

22:50

there and when was the first search

22:52

done and are you know the distance

22:54

and I understand the was footprints? What

22:57

can you tell about the first searches

22:59

that were dying off. For. That.

23:02

Oh, the Morning of Twenty Eight.

23:04

Ah. I got off

23:07

on account of that they were

23:09

alerted. Car

23:11

and I was saying i hope

23:13

I hope you know us And

23:15

off. And and that is

23:17

when I. Just I got

23:20

off. A

23:22

backpack and I. Called

23:26

my major French. She laughed

23:28

immediately. She looks. Forty Five.

23:30

forty minutes for me. She. Hi, how's

23:32

it off? We. Were all. Of

23:36

us should we stop And lot of one. Of

23:38

retires checked and we were there is also.

23:42

During. A tougher to java. Yeah

23:45

and I'm they said as he

23:47

said, we found a car. Trucks.

23:51

And. i'm just looking now day

23:53

and i guess the night before long

23:56

he says that he was and went

23:58

over they did You

24:00

know from the Wendover thing they did a ping on

24:02

his phone and it was you

24:05

know all those I

24:08

Just I don't think wrap my head around this It

24:11

was south of Wells On

24:16

the 27th so on the 27th it was

24:18

still Pinging

24:21

south of Wells on 93 right on

24:23

93 But

24:26

where is Aiden you know and there

24:29

were some so there was also

24:32

some local ranchers Just prior

24:34

to when the and HP pulled around Aiden's

24:36

truck that saw him carrying stuff

24:38

under the BLM land Fence

24:41

and this was about 15 20 minutes before

24:44

the NHP pulled up behind him And

24:47

it was so all right. I'm gonna get to

24:49

that I'm just asking you about the searches you

24:51

went out there and the searches were done of

24:53

course Because he wasn't there with his truck what

24:55

searches were done So

24:58

they they think it's

25:00

clearly see foot tracks leaving the vehicle

25:03

They the sand is like it's like

25:05

health powder. Yeah, you know you can see

25:07

it. Yeah, it's clear It's

25:09

that Isabelle and so they

25:12

started searching They told

25:14

me he went over this ridge But when

25:16

I actually saw the ridge when I drove out

25:18

there with the sheriff

25:21

I could not believe it This is not a rich.

25:23

This is a small mountain. I said

25:25

he went over that. I don't believe it

25:27

I don't believe it and They

25:30

had a three-man team. They they

25:32

had search and rescue out there. They

25:34

were tracking him they tracked him

25:37

up over the the

25:40

This ridge down on the bench, which is

25:42

the flat area. That's what they call it.

25:44

It's the bench between mountain ranges and Track

25:48

into the second Ridge, which is

25:51

just the northern tip of the Cherry

25:53

Creek mountain range which runs for miles

25:55

I mean if he had

25:57

stopped somewhere south of there this would

25:59

have been than an unbelievably

26:02

insurmountable search because

26:04

the mountains get

26:07

even bigger. And it's crazy. We were at

26:09

the great north end. And

26:12

so then they

26:14

sent out like a three-man team overnight,

26:16

I think on the 28th or

26:19

the 29th, I can't remember which day, and

26:22

they were tracking him climbing through

26:25

the second mountain range. She did it

26:27

completely across the bench. She was headed in

26:29

a southwest direction. He went up

26:31

through the second mountain range and then they kind

26:33

of lost, they

26:36

lost sight of his tracks.

26:39

It's 2.5 million acres out

26:41

there. So

26:43

they decided to jump ahead and see

26:46

if they couldn't see if

26:48

he got into the middle of the range.

26:50

So they went down cotton with canyon, which

26:53

is a road, one of the roads in, and it

26:55

takes quite a while to get back there. Yeah,

26:58

and listeners should know we can't do

27:00

these anything justice with audio.

27:02

There are maps that Amy has sent me

27:05

that will be posted. Of course, every place

27:07

that we usually post pictures and video for

27:10

all of you to peruse. So if you're a little

27:12

confused, you don't know some of these locations, please just

27:14

go to the maps and look at

27:16

them because there's no way to describe them through

27:19

audio. But we're talking a huge distance

27:21

here, like footprints for like 10

27:23

miles or something. Yeah,

27:26

so the distance as the crow flat

27:29

from his truck to the mount, the side of the mountain,

27:31

which was on the third range, was halfway up that mountain

27:33

and there was still snow. It was kind of a

27:40

warm spring, but there was still snow at the tops, like

27:42

the top third of these mountains. And

27:50

he had crawled up this, they said they could

27:52

tell because his toes were dug in. You Can

27:54

see when tracks when they're going down and going

27:56

up by the lake. The

28:00

toilet go in and out. And

28:02

if this I've I've been on the side

28:04

of that and up and down there was

28:06

decided this mountain was covered in sagebrush. I'm

28:08

so sick. Going. Down you to

28:10

break your neck. almost broke my

28:12

neck a hamster switch back in

28:14

back and forth just to get

28:16

down and he was showing his

28:18

way up. And then he had

28:20

snow and they lost track of

28:22

snow. melted. And

28:26

her name I forget how many mouths were very

28:28

dark know if this point same district. Nine.

28:32

Assists: as the crow flies Nine

28:35

Nine Minutes. Walking.

28:37

Up and down. Love

28:40

Love Love Foreign with team

28:42

Lot further. Than

28:45

mine did I read

28:47

somewhere that. His

28:49

shoes were family, didn't take his shoes off

28:52

and I mean or what, Was.

28:54

So. During the tracks mean

28:56

they found that he was removing

28:59

his shoes and crossing roads and

29:01

putting them back on. They said

29:03

that he. Time.

29:07

He was running. You know, like

29:09

the footsteps or there are partially

29:11

telenor running and walking. On

29:13

the she can she fell down. When

29:17

he was. My. Name and. Such

29:19

me it sounds like was afraid.

29:22

I think he was. Full of

29:24

fear and in a panic. know. And.

29:28

Of. Because they

29:30

found her to that like prince

29:32

under trees bushes sometimes. Like course

29:34

he had. Trusted.

29:36

You know they said that he

29:38

would put his shoes performance had

29:40

lunch Shula. The other stock print

29:43

one time. That. He

29:45

seemed to be. A interface. Know

29:49

there were things it is tracking the

29:52

me. Maybe made them think that he

29:54

was trying to disguise what he was

29:56

doing. so maybe if he was paranoid

29:58

the people were actually chasing. In he

30:00

was trying to evade them by disguising his tracks

30:02

or something like that. Yes,

30:05

I'll catch you and

30:07

so. I

30:09

believe because of the timing of when

30:12

Nh team and these people saw him

30:14

taking stuff under the said. I

30:17

think. That. Eight and.

30:20

Saw the officer. I. Think it.

30:22

Listen. I think it was in the

30:25

nearby trees. I. Think he saw

30:27

the off on decent car at night

30:29

and I think he heard. Them say nothing

30:31

and twenty one and under and I. Have

30:33

an uncle Toni! And

30:36

Co. I also have enough of

30:38

a Marxist via phone. Shut the

30:41

door and just a week earlier.

30:44

I had a friend to. I

30:47

had a friend to have. To.

30:50

Starbucks stuck on the side way or on

30:52

the highway and I tell them they have

30:54

gotten and help them right away He said

30:56

why is it because after twenty four hours

30:58

you they mark your car as that's enough

31:00

twenty four hour to tell it. Yeah, so

31:02

ah, If he had seen a marked

31:04

the car and drive away, he would

31:06

have known that that was just. You.

31:09

Know. I'm but

31:11

the reason I believe that have eaten

31:14

was right. There's the timing of the

31:16

you the ranchers. they found his guitar

31:18

case in those trees. And

31:22

we have had of and you know what? Are

31:24

the fights were looking on? We can see

31:26

in this one. Grouping. Of

31:28

trees. A silhouette of a guitar

31:31

case and. Human head and

31:33

shoulders. Yeah. Can

31:35

move to the public see the. Comedian

31:38

Jim screenshot of that or is

31:40

that never been made public or

31:42

were. No.

31:44

And houses because we've had trouble because

31:46

of the way the full amount of

31:48

these videos that every time you open

31:50

them they just upgraded and so we're

31:52

working on getting someone and getting having

31:55

a transferred into an M P. Three.

31:57

So. That and and getting cleaned up a

31:59

little bit and what we found was it's

32:01

like a milestone you couldn't see it. Is

32:04

clear you know it looks like dark. Love.

32:07

Us when you look at somebody else has fallen like

32:09

say a brand new I phone. And with

32:11

much more. Oh yeah, Yeah

32:14

he has of green you have to go frame

32:16

by frame and that works differently and different phone

32:18

so it never came up on the freezer. My

32:20

phone. You know how can

32:22

it It was coming up on my

32:25

family members phone. I'm like holy cow

32:27

and. So

32:29

that that is why I think happens, I

32:31

think a. Nice coats and fortunately, earth

32:33

are you talking about going back to

32:35

this bad team if you are the

32:38

ones that frame by frame although the

32:40

police officer obviously didn't see him, were

32:42

you saying is the camera in the

32:44

disease. Night. Is picked out aid

32:47

and in the distance may be watching

32:49

what was going on. Yes,

32:52

And I'm not talking about there are

32:54

either. I'm talking about. Twenty.

32:57

Thirty years. And Crying Babies Are

32:59

New York. Simple logic and thirty or

33:01

twenty years. Ago. Funny.

33:03

Third, Were. Conscious

33:05

on the other side of a lump sense.

33:08

Of this this this group retrieves is just on the

33:10

other side of the be elected. He.

33:13

Was. Very. Small

33:17

talk about the truck. he says it's the

33:19

doors were open, things were strewn all over

33:21

the ground or what did up and of

33:24

have been into the trophy and all of

33:26

his possessions. Where did they go? Did you

33:28

get the trip back? What happened? All of

33:30

that. Yeah. Such

33:33

as the passenger side door was open and

33:35

stuff stood out there. There was some. Kind

33:39

of talk. As if like

33:41

a have like electrolyte stuff so

33:43

i'm jealous and other. Rappers.

33:46

Of stuff bottle water,

33:48

bottle. Of and they

33:50

told us that day A tone

33:52

that day. and

33:54

so even if they had come back

33:56

with no vehicle to come back to

34:01

I don't really know why they did

34:03

that. I don't know if that's standard operating

34:05

procedure or what. I

34:08

wish they had left it there in case

34:10

he came back and, you

34:14

know. Yeah. So then. And

34:17

what happened to it after that? So,

34:20

it was in town that they headed out

34:23

Elko County's yard. And

34:27

so I kept asking them, you know, could this

34:29

be at this time? A lot of this stuff

34:31

was found out in hindsight. I said, could

34:33

they? I said, anybody could have

34:35

driven up. And, you know, he's out there in the

34:37

middle of nowhere and doors wide open. And

34:41

they said, yeah, anybody could have come up. I

34:43

said, yes, exactly. This could be a criminal case.

34:45

But they said there was no criminal case, no

34:48

sign of that. And so

34:51

they couldn't. They

34:53

didn't want. So until something was revealed,

34:55

they wanted to keep the truck. And I said,

34:57

well, his laptop was in there. And I said,

34:59

well, how are you ever going to

35:01

discern if this is a, you

35:03

know, I need to find out. I

35:06

need to find out if I wanted to

35:08

know if I could get into the laptop, if

35:10

there was anything in the possessions that would count

35:12

anything. And they're just

35:14

saying, it was like a catch-22. I

35:17

went to meet them that one time when I went alone.

35:20

That's when I picked up his truck. And

35:22

so I sat there in the office with them and went

35:24

round and round. And they're like, well, you know, in

35:26

case it turns into a criminal case. And I

35:28

said, you're just telling me. I

35:30

mean, they couldn't do anything. They

35:32

couldn't get a subpoena or a warrant or anything because

35:34

there was no basis for criminal. And I said,

35:37

so you're telling me there's no basis for

35:39

criminal. And there might be some evidence in there

35:41

or something in there that would tell us something. And

35:44

I said, okay, I'm picking it up. I'm getting it. So

35:47

I picked it up in June and

35:49

drove it back. And

35:52

we cloned his hard drive

35:54

of his Mac computer. And

35:56

I have tried to get into the computer

35:59

and I can't. And yeah,

36:02

I mean, I'm looking for a clue. I'm

36:05

looking for something. Of course. I

36:10

was able to get into his iCloud

36:12

and saw that he actually had

36:14

a map for Love's truck stop

36:16

in Twin Falls, Idaho. Strangely

36:20

enough, up by a town called Jerome. Yeah,

36:23

that's the middle name. And

36:25

Curry, another Curry spelled

36:28

differently, which this is very strange,

36:30

but the name Curry has come

36:32

up several times. There

36:35

was, so up there, the map,

36:37

I think, is possible, even with the wrong

36:39

direction, and realized it and stopped, and realized

36:41

he was exhausted and wanted to lay down

36:44

or something under a tree. I can play

36:46

guitar, I don't know. But there

36:48

was, so there's Twin Falls, and on west

36:51

of Twin Falls, and the other side of the

36:53

highway is Curry and Jerome. He

36:56

met the mapping thing.

36:58

And he did this once before, where he

37:00

picked the wrong street, and it was

37:02

taking him out of town. And

37:06

so it might've picked the wrong

37:08

Curry. That Curry up there is spelled,

37:11

I believe, just with a

37:14

Y and the one down by

37:17

where he was found is the I-E. But

37:19

then, yeah, and there was

37:22

another witness when

37:24

I was there that said

37:26

that they saw him in Curry Market

37:28

in Spring Creek, K-H-O-U-R-Y,

37:30

or E-B. Another

37:34

Curry. And yeah,

37:36

and then when I had to go to

37:39

a specialist last

37:41

year, Dr. Curry. Let's

37:44

jump in here. Let's jump in here. Something

37:46

that you wanted moved to this point. You

37:49

had discovered eventually, after you went

37:51

missing, that he had

37:53

been telling different stories to different people.

37:57

Going way back to Sonoma in California

37:59

before... ever took off for Utah that

38:03

he was telling, what did you mean by that? You

38:05

know, people that were around you was telling different stories

38:07

to different people. What did that mean? Well,

38:11

so when I got back

38:13

the first time, so I was there for

38:15

a week in Elko and I did not

38:17

want to leave, but my

38:20

friend had to go back and she was super worried about

38:22

me and they had another

38:25

family member convinced me to come back. And

38:28

so I started talking to, going

38:32

to his friends and talking

38:34

to them and he told one friend that

38:36

he used to work with at his first

38:38

job that they had put

38:40

him on medication before he

38:42

went, no, he, when he told her, he

38:45

never told me that he'd always argued and

38:47

said he didn't want to take medication for,

38:51

you know, anxiety

38:53

and stuff like depression and that.

38:56

And he told her that they

38:58

changed his medication just before he

39:00

went up to Washington. He

39:04

said this before he left for Washington. He

39:06

went to say goodbye to her and he

39:08

said that they just

39:10

changed his medication and

39:13

that he was on antidepressants. And

39:17

so then I found out he

39:20

had told, he

39:22

was telling his other

39:24

friends some kind of story. I mean,

39:26

I can't even remember all this stuff.

39:28

He, oh, he told me he was in

39:31

Bodega Bay. He wasn't in Bodega Bay. He was

39:33

down the road from my house with

39:35

his cousin who

39:39

lives in Glen Elland with us and her

39:42

mother and he was telling them

39:44

some kind

39:46

of story and

39:50

what would he tell them? But

39:53

then he told,

39:55

he later

39:58

told somebody else that they, were

40:00

acting weird and that

40:02

they were doing something really strange.

40:05

Like you know I want

40:08

to protect people I don't I don't

40:10

want to hurt their feelings I know

40:12

that Aiden was just like imagining all

40:14

kinds of weird stuff and

40:16

so I know you know I

40:18

don't want to say baby but

40:20

he was saying we all

40:23

were trying to establish here is that

40:26

he was telling you know well before he

40:28

ever went missing he was telling different stories

40:30

to different people about things. Yes,

40:33

yes. He wasn't even telling

40:36

like the same the

40:39

same story that wasn't true to

40:41

different people he was telling everybody

40:43

he was coming across completely different

40:45

stories and I talked to

40:47

one of his friends and they said

40:50

they told me something he said and I

40:52

said oh my gosh that's completely different from

40:54

the other people so it was like everybody

40:56

he came across he had a little different

40:59

story or a little different

41:01

scenario that he was telling

41:03

them and and yeah I

41:05

didn't know this until

41:08

until after I got back to

41:10

Sonoma. Yeah,

41:12

but this happened before he went missing

41:14

and I found out a

41:16

couple weeks after as I started calling his

41:18

friends you know and they said oh he

41:20

told us he was doing

41:22

such and such and

41:25

and I'm like oh my god that's completely

41:27

what he different from what he told them

41:30

from these other people you know so it was like

41:32

he was he was telling every

41:35

single person he met a completely different like

41:37

thing like oh I'm

41:39

going to do this or I'm going to

41:41

do that I'm gonna go get my own

41:43

place and then he'd tell somebody else oh I'm going

41:46

to do this other thing

41:48

and you know he was just all

41:50

over the place. Yeah. Let's

41:53

move on to this. You've mentioned

41:55

this a couple times that You said

41:57

there might have been a witness or maybe. One

42:00

hundred percent there was a witness to him some

42:02

ranch. He brought this up the fuck a little

42:04

more deaths about that. The somebody actually see him

42:06

at his truck that day. Is that what you're

42:09

saying or what? Yes,

42:11

I please some. Yeah.

42:15

Ranchers up. as

42:18

they have feel on. Price

42:20

for a crazy an inch

42:22

screen time and make vs

42:24

financial going into the moving

42:26

moving. Equipment: Get ready for that

42:29

ominous couple. Just an access point.

42:31

To there's one notch of were in his truck

42:33

like may pass them. They. Were going

42:35

north kick some minutes and they

42:37

saw him. They said

42:40

are standing at the back truck

42:42

that on passenger side and she

42:44

looked com. And like

42:46

everything was okay and they set

42:48

people up there a lot. Not

42:50

unusual. To. See people

42:52

there because he of. The.

42:55

Shoulder gets really wide. And

42:57

there's this weather station on the other side,

42:59

so I don't know. It seems to draw

43:01

people. People pulling the lever station or

43:03

they pull off to the other side

43:05

which is it to the please turn

43:07

around. So.

43:10

He was. They were surprised to see him the

43:12

first time. You know if son was coming off.

43:15

Or he was early morning and Nielsen

43:17

was right into the sky. And then

43:20

they went back down to branch the saw

43:22

him he was going under the fence. And.

43:24

Then you can see clearly, make out for

43:26

quite a distance and he was going back

43:29

to the track and death hundred percent. And

43:31

the last time they saw him he has

43:33

something block under his arm and I imagine

43:35

that was his last nurseries. Com. And

43:38

so this was about Fifteen Twenty

43:41

minutes. So this is between eight

43:43

fifteen and. Probably

43:46

later that he twenty eight to

43:48

eight forty somewhere around there pizza

43:50

chain. A thirty five. Or

43:54

three do of this witness the other

43:56

thing own as you bodies unless you

43:58

thought about earlier about the bases it

44:00

out. So weird. You know you get

44:03

things at different times using is fighting

44:05

information. You were able to establish where

44:07

he was between. After

44:09

he dropped his gruff father off on

44:11

the highway and so as truck was

44:13

found you are actually through his financing

44:15

able to figure out where he spent

44:17

the next twenty four hours or however

44:19

long it was for of. Life.

44:22

Of have been off at other a

44:24

in a bar well regard but gas

44:26

etc. Yeah.

44:30

That's what I I don't think

44:32

there. Was a receipt for a

44:34

hotel leaders. Are

44:37

in Reno and costs.

44:39

And. After

44:42

he dropped his ah. His

44:45

father off. After

44:47

the window for gas station

44:49

think a man something from

44:51

part point. I believe it's

44:54

a half point I target

44:56

sexually east. Public

44:58

City. Oh and please ask me

45:00

and I think it with that he was enough.

45:02

She was in a manic staying and he just

45:05

kept driving it needed know what direction he was

45:07

driving us and I could tell from the receipt

45:09

it was like guy. he was a. Country was

45:11

like to either up. Some

45:14

kind of bottle thing for many

45:16

coffee or something. To.

45:18

And. Up. And so then I

45:21

think he turned around the things he knew he

45:23

had the right direction. And that. He.

45:25

Or she didn't know where to do. you

45:28

know, I don't know. know. Maybe he needed.

45:30

To that point. You. Know

45:32

she was just driving. Right?

45:35

so you were able to pretty much

45:37

he was he brief flash from are

45:39

some things you still don't know about

45:41

to this day the you are able

45:44

to a kind of traces that's the

45:46

least a little bit from after his

45:48

grandfather last arm until the truck was

45:50

found by that and H P officer.

45:53

Yeah. And then another weird thing. that show

45:55

that was. taken

45:57

out two hundred dollars and And

46:00

it came right almost at the same time the

46:02

Wendover one came in, but I found out later

46:04

that so I kept thinking it

46:07

happened at the Wendover gas station, but you know

46:09

I'm gonna stay to mine for for

46:13

quite a while. When I went back in and looked

46:15

at the records I realized it was from Carson,

46:20

near by town. He actually took it out.

46:24

It's west of Elko. The

46:27

Carlson, it's on 80

46:30

and I took a good look at that and I was like wait a

46:32

minute, this isn't Wendover. So he had taken out $200 in cash on

46:40

the way before he got to Elko

46:42

and it's just the way things come

46:44

through in banking. I

46:47

was panic and so I realized he

46:49

got $200 in probably

46:51

so that he could get gas without me following

46:53

him, having the bank was connected.

46:57

And so in

47:03

retrospect, yes, he got money out

47:05

and I think it's Carlson and

47:07

then and then drove all the way to

47:09

Utah and then just kept driving to Parkside.

47:12

I think it's called Parkside and

47:14

then got a drink and apparently turned around

47:17

and started coming to you

47:21

know coming west and

47:23

then you know Wendover, then the

47:25

Motel 6 and then

47:30

I think he meant to go north which

47:32

probably he was probably going to Washington. I

47:34

mean if that was real, if that's

47:37

what his intention was, intention was

47:39

with Matt, he was, my guess is

47:41

he was going to Washington. All right,

47:43

but instead he ended up south. Yeah,

47:47

he was going the opposite direction of

47:49

Washington. That

47:52

is what his map,

47:54

his iCloud map says, yes,

47:57

that he Tended to

47:59

go one way. And somehow let the

48:01

other way. Know.

48:03

What to talk about? Yeah no I

48:06

want to talk about we don't We

48:08

once again because this is an audio

48:10

format I don't to get too much

48:12

more into the directions or think as

48:14

it's is once again one of the

48:17

pictures up everybody can look at them.

48:19

I just want to talk to about

48:21

three specific or stories or important topics

48:23

regarding searches the you've done out there

48:26

and of fact this within the last

48:28

couple weeks you came back from a

48:30

search. In. In Nevada as

48:32

he told me about. And so there's three

48:34

topic flips to start. at least what I

48:36

would consider the be the three two stories

48:38

that he told me that I think I'm

48:41

a significant number one the footprints or shoe

48:43

prints. By. A tree one soft

48:45

and little bit about that in white

48:47

with so significant to you. out

48:52

there. Aren't people

48:55

who come up there to

48:57

help us to review our

48:59

mountain? Sure Every Bolland share

49:01

Amazing All people I asked

49:03

circles around us hushed you

49:05

think of a heart attack?

49:08

Yes. right? One day that.

49:10

Saw. Off. When

49:13

ah we had gone and let's

49:15

see. Ah we went into

49:17

he just. Starts. In.

49:20

July search and then we

49:22

went at auction. Late August twenty

49:24

and we went out a.

49:27

Wonderful! Locals on the thought

49:29

of that era side by side.

49:32

And we did a search on going

49:35

in the North road into the urge

49:37

to say you'll see on the master

49:39

don't after such. In shape area

49:42

that is on the lighter colored after

49:44

don't. Know

49:46

trees. And as a deterrent,

49:48

Going to actually North South, it goes

49:50

right into that area and so are

49:52

we. were. Looking. Around

49:55

there and ah, We.

49:58

we have laughed and i thought that And

50:02

we decided to, because when I was up on

50:05

the side of the mountain, I turned around

50:07

and what I saw north was

50:09

Highway 93. You could see the semis and

50:11

the cars. I mean, they were far away, but you could

50:14

see them. And I thought to myself,

50:16

that's where I would go. That's

50:18

where I would go, not more southwest,

50:20

like the police kept saying, we think

50:22

he's gone southwest, southwest. So,

50:24

and they were looking directly west, too.

50:27

They weren't just, you know, they were

50:29

going up over the mountain and looking on the other side of

50:31

the mountain. And so I said,

50:34

let's look that way. Let's look north. And

50:36

so we drove to

50:38

the burn entrance where

50:41

the road comes out at the burn. And we

50:43

went into the brush

50:45

there. And then my sister went up on the

50:47

ridge and I kind of went in west and

50:50

then turned north and started walking through the

50:52

trees. And

50:54

at first I didn't see anything, but about half

50:57

an hour, 40 minutes, I'm just meandering through

51:00

there looking and I see the

51:02

footsteps. And

51:04

so I'm start looking all around. And

51:06

then I saw up against this one

51:08

tree, these two, and

51:10

you can, these are definitive footsteps

51:13

that are different from, we saw

51:15

other tracks, too, horse, boots, search

51:17

and rescue boots, cowboy

51:19

boots, somebody was on a horse following

51:21

these tracks, which are tennis shoe tracks

51:24

which are peanut shaped. They

51:26

are peanut shaped and they were

51:28

the right size. And also

51:30

remember they were sunk into the ground.

51:33

This is late August. There's

51:36

no, me and my sister are leaving no

51:38

tracks. Nobody is leaving any tracks.

51:40

This is the ground is baked hard. And

51:44

I turned around and looked behind me. And

51:47

so a lot of the tracks we were

51:49

fun. They were baked into the ground. But

51:52

when I got up to this one area and I saw

51:54

it, there was just two shoes,

51:57

peanut shaped. They were sunk

51:59

really far. down right up against

52:01

this tree on the west side of

52:03

the tree and the

52:05

burn would be east on the other side of that. And

52:08

so it was almost like they were hiding because

52:11

they were standing so still for such

52:15

a long time, very close up against this

52:17

tree. Now if they had been moving a

52:19

lot there would have been other shoe marks,

52:22

no other shoe marks. They

52:25

sat there very still for

52:27

an extended amount of time

52:29

while their feet stunk over

52:32

I swear like three or more inches into

52:34

the ground. And there was

52:36

even these marks in the center like when you

52:39

pull your foot out of mud there's a

52:41

suction in the middle and

52:43

it sort of pulls up all that mud in

52:46

the middle of the shoe mark and that was what

52:49

it showed. So

52:51

this person and I believe it

52:53

was Aiden was standing there

52:56

very still, very close

52:58

up against this tree not

53:01

moving an inch for a

53:03

long enough time for his feet to sink

53:05

down in there. Then from that

53:07

point there were

53:09

tracks going, they

53:11

were headed northeast

53:15

and they went across this

53:17

open wash and then they

53:19

went under the trees where there was all this

53:22

debris and I lost them and I started looking

53:24

for them again and I couldn't find them. And

53:29

yeah I don't know what happened but my sister

53:32

was telling me she could also see tracks up

53:34

on the ridge. Same thing, she saw the horse

53:36

tracks, the boot tracks with the person who was

53:38

following the

53:41

tracks and a few points. We

53:43

both said he looked confused like these tracks

53:45

it looked like they looked like he

53:47

was wandering around in a small open

53:49

area and you know like

53:51

kind of he would walk

53:55

one direction and then go back and

53:57

go into a different direction. She saw

53:59

that as well. well. Yeah,

54:03

so I mean, there's somebody else walking around during

54:05

the wet season up there and tennis shoes like

54:07

that up in the middle of. Yeah.

54:11

Okay, so we have that with a, you know,

54:13

we have this, once again, we have a map.

54:16

And when you want to everybody sees the map

54:18

that Amy has sent me this spot is marked

54:21

on that map. And it is really out

54:23

in the middle of nowhere. You

54:26

know, many, many miles from the highway. Let's

54:28

move on to this. Now, the other interesting

54:30

thing that you've told me is that

54:33

even though this is a desolate area

54:35

and everything, you've actually encountered quite a

54:37

few people, just random people while you've

54:39

been out there, correct over the last

54:42

two years? Yes.

54:44

So, so BLM

54:47

land can be accessed by anybody. And

54:49

even if roads go through private property,

54:52

it's all public roads. You can't get out of

54:54

your car and get on public property. So we

54:56

had the road going in is on public property.

54:58

Anybody can use that road and

55:01

then get on in BLM land, you can camp

55:03

there for I think a few weeks. And then

55:06

you have to move your pants like, I

55:08

don't know how many hundred feet and anybody

55:11

can go on BLM land. And

55:13

so people go back there because it's

55:15

at the very north end of the

55:17

range. It's got at least two pretty

55:19

good roads. I mean, I think the north

55:21

road is kind of horrendous. It's pretty hard

55:23

at some in some point. Cottonwood Canyon is

55:26

very accessible and a

55:28

lot of the locals know how accessible it

55:30

is. And so when the weather clears up,

55:32

they go back there, they take their razors,

55:34

their side by sides, their

55:37

vehicles, all that

55:39

altering vehicle stuff and go out and have

55:41

fun. They go shed hunting in May, that's

55:43

coming up, shed hunting where they look for elk

55:46

and deer horns. People go

55:48

out there and party. The

55:51

sheriffs and also one of the ranchers

55:53

brothers said that they found

55:55

evidence of somebody being in there the weekend

55:57

before Aiden went in there. up,

56:00

spear-cance, or by the triangle, you

56:02

know, in

56:05

between the second and third range, and they

56:08

were partying. And they can. They can go

56:10

out there and have fun and have total

56:12

privacy because there's nobody out there. But you

56:15

do see people, you know,

56:17

ride up and you see trucks out

56:19

there. When we were camping out there

56:21

last May, a year

56:23

ago, when we were camping out there, towards

56:25

them, we were seeing all kinds of people

56:27

coming in, camping, people driving in,

56:29

you know, you'd wave to them. Not a lot

56:31

of people, but like, a couple

56:34

people, sometimes

56:37

maybe a couple people the whole time you're out

56:39

there, sometimes a couple

56:41

times a day, you see people.

56:44

And there's been, there's

56:46

only been like once or twice when we haven't

56:49

seen anybody. I

56:51

guess the point is, you're out there

56:53

looking, of course, for your son, looking

56:56

for any traces of him. You're encountering

56:58

these people. So I

57:00

guess maybe we have to be open to the

57:02

idea that maybe there were people who might have

57:04

encountered him as well. Well,

57:07

I would really define... What do you think about that? Well,

57:12

you know, that's something I've thought about

57:14

and it's, you know, it's terrifying and

57:16

everything, you know, I mean, it's that

57:19

and it's,

57:21

you know, that possibility is both encouraging

57:27

and terrifying. And,

57:29

you know, like they said, it was the weekend

57:31

before, and

57:34

I kind of, you know, I'm

57:36

wondering about that exact

57:39

date. And because they go in and clean

57:42

up, you know, the ranchers, they keep this place

57:44

clean, other people come in and mess

57:47

it all up. And yeah, I've thought about

57:49

that, but also, he was very

57:51

paranoid, but he might have been desperate enough to

57:53

get a ride out. So,

58:02

yeah, and a lot of

58:04

the people that we saw also were, like

58:07

I'd say half the time, maybe

58:09

a third of the time, were ranchers. You

58:11

know, so we see the ranch trucks come in.

58:13

We've seen, we met the one rancher and

58:16

his hands, his work hands, you know, they

58:18

came in one night. We

58:20

saw the one rancher, his truck

58:22

in there quite a bit and his one helper in

58:24

the black truck. And we, so we knew them by sight

58:27

and we would see them quite a bit. So

58:30

a lot of, sometimes we were seeing ranchers

58:32

and you could tell, like the recreational people,

58:34

they would, you know, they

58:36

just, they were just doing different stuff. For

58:40

ranchers and drivers, you're looking at cattle and

58:42

stuff. You could tell. And

58:45

so, yes, I don't, you know,

58:48

yes, that prospect, you

58:50

know, has a kind of

58:52

double effect on me. Right. Okay.

58:55

Just wanted to make sure that everybody

58:57

understood that even though this is some

58:59

of the most desolate area of the

59:01

lower 48 of the United States, that

59:06

when you've gone out there, you have encountered

59:08

people. So we might be open to the

59:10

idea, once again, whether it means bad things

59:13

or not, that he's out there. We have

59:15

a footprint. He's going all over this area.

59:17

That there's a, it's not something where he's

59:19

going off to the middle of nowhere where

59:22

nobody is. In fact, you're in the same

59:24

areas where he was and you were encountering

59:26

people. Yes.

59:28

Okay. Yes. All right. Just want to make sure because

59:30

I don't want anybody to take a good way out

59:33

in the middle of nowhere and nobody else is out

59:35

there. That's not quite true. Last.

59:40

Yes. I was just going to

59:43

say that, you know, even

59:45

though it's like really desolate out there,

59:47

everybody, it's kind of a close knit

59:49

community in a way. I mean, everybody

59:51

kind of knows everybody, even though they

59:53

live in little teeny towns, you know,

59:55

15, 10 miles away from each other. The

59:58

population is low enough that they all. know each

1:00:00

other. A lot of them have lived there their whole lives.

1:00:02

They know they've been on this

1:00:04

mountain, that mountain. People, you know,

1:00:06

so a lot of

1:00:09

the locals are familiar with

1:00:11

that northern end of the Cherry Creek Range and

1:00:14

they know it's a good place to go out

1:00:16

and do, you know, in their vehicles

1:00:18

and their off-road vehicles. Now

1:00:22

the final story is something regarding

1:00:24

the searches is something that just

1:00:26

happened very recently and this

1:00:28

has to do with a Gatorade or Powerade,

1:00:30

excuse me, Powerade Vaudevoir. Why don't you

1:00:32

tell the listeners about that? So

1:00:36

we started doing grid searches along

1:00:38

that north road and we

1:00:41

did look through that whole area where the footsteps

1:00:43

were found by me and my sister and we

1:00:45

had them search that whole area again as

1:00:48

it is reported many times that missing

1:00:50

persons are found in areas that are

1:00:53

have already been searched. So they go

1:00:55

all through that area again and I

1:00:59

know a couple guys went a little bit

1:01:01

further because we were using some of the

1:01:04

statistics off of a virtual missing

1:01:08

persons predictive behavior

1:01:10

pattern which is that people

1:01:13

are often found off

1:01:16

about 65 yards off

1:01:18

of any kind of path. So a

1:01:20

road, a two-path road like an RV,

1:01:23

I mean a

1:01:25

recreational vehicle, an animal

1:01:27

truck. So

1:01:29

I said, I told them if you're out there

1:01:31

looking and you find animal trucks go, you know,

1:01:33

65 yards from that. So they

1:01:35

went a little bit further than that and

1:01:38

they found under clumps of

1:01:40

trees a perfectly

1:01:42

preserved Powerade bottle

1:01:46

at grape

1:01:49

flavored one and it was it was a

1:01:51

pristine condition because the sun never shone on

1:01:53

it. You leave any other bottle out

1:01:55

there for a month and it's just bleached white. And

1:01:58

so they The person

1:02:00

who found it had the presence of mind to wear

1:02:02

gloves, put it in a plastic bag. He

1:02:05

saw the numbers on it, the date

1:02:07

on it, May 22. And I thought, and

1:02:10

we thought, oh my gosh, that's

1:02:13

the expiration date. And this was

1:02:15

just north of the area of

1:02:17

where Aiden's little

1:02:19

footsteps in the trees sunk into the

1:02:21

groundwork, just like due north of

1:02:24

that. So I

1:02:26

know that they used some information from

1:02:28

numbers on the bottles. And so, coincidentally,

1:02:32

Coca-Cola makes Powerade.

1:02:35

And so I called

1:02:37

the corporate number and I talked

1:02:39

to them. And when I looked closely at

1:02:41

the bottle, it said May 22,

1:02:44

23. And then like ABG 2. So there was

1:02:46

a three-letter

1:02:51

code and another number. But it

1:02:54

was actually the expiration date was the 23rd.

1:02:56

And I think

1:02:58

we saw that out there too, but we didn't know how

1:03:00

long the expiration date was. We thought

1:03:02

maybe it's a year. So

1:03:07

I called and they had to get

1:03:09

me around to somebody who could tell me about

1:03:11

it. And they said that it was actually

1:03:14

manufactured not too far from where

1:03:16

I live in American Canyon. California.

1:03:21

And that

1:03:25

it left the plant August

1:03:29

of 22. Wait,

1:03:34

what did they say? Yeah, I believe August.

1:03:36

Yeah. So it wasn't even

1:03:39

produced until August of

1:03:41

22. So it was

1:03:44

too late. But

1:03:47

what's funny is that we did see some people

1:03:49

that day that we were in there. And it

1:03:51

makes me think it might have been them. Maybe.

1:03:54

But you were thinking, I think at the time you

1:03:56

found it, maybe we can figure this out. Maybe it

1:03:59

was something Aiden left there, but

1:04:01

the bottle hadn't even been made until after he

1:04:03

went missing. Yeah.

1:04:05

Okay. Yes. All right. It wasn't

1:04:07

even manufactured until August of 22.

1:04:09

So that was really

1:04:12

disappointing. But you know, I also noted

1:04:14

that it was grape flavored and my

1:04:16

son never really drank anything great. But

1:04:18

I thought, well, who knows what was

1:04:21

available? Maybe something, you know, you just

1:04:23

don't know if your favorite flavors there or

1:04:25

not. But yeah, unfortunately,

1:04:27

that was off by a few months.

1:04:29

But then I remembered that we had seen

1:04:32

some young men in there that

1:04:34

day. And it possibly was, I mean, it

1:04:37

was right near where we were looking, where

1:04:39

we saw them. And

1:04:41

so maybe they were in there, I

1:04:44

don't know, hunting, looking for something. And,

1:04:46

and it's

1:04:49

strange that it was in the

1:04:51

same exact vicinity, exactly

1:04:54

where we found those two

1:04:56

dogs. Okay. I

1:05:00

know this is gonna,

1:05:02

I asked this question of every guest. So

1:05:04

I'm gonna ask you to view it. I

1:05:07

think everybody has heard your voice over

1:05:10

the course of these two hours. And

1:05:13

I just got to ask you, because this is what I do. How

1:05:16

tough has the last two years been? Well,

1:05:20

it's been devastating. It's

1:05:25

one of the worst thing I've ever. Yeah.

1:05:28

I've ever been through

1:05:30

the first several months,

1:05:33

I was like non

1:05:35

functioning. I just, I

1:05:38

couldn't function. It

1:05:40

was I suffer from PTSD because of

1:05:42

the whole, the whole thing

1:05:44

that was happening. And

1:05:47

I'm trying to grasp at my son and

1:05:49

he is slipping through my fingers, and I'm

1:05:51

calling everybody and I can't do it best

1:05:53

enough. And, and, you

1:05:56

know, one of the hotel ladies, you know, I

1:05:58

couldn't understand what people were saying. to me,

1:06:00

I wasn't processing it. And

1:06:03

when people asked me something, I was,

1:06:05

you know, I apologize to reveal that

1:06:07

I snapped you because I just couldn't

1:06:09

handle having

1:06:11

to tell people things over,

1:06:14

you know, I couldn't process stuff,

1:06:16

okay? And this one lady

1:06:18

that I ran into again a

1:06:20

year or so later at one of the

1:06:22

hotels we stayed at, she said, I just wanted to

1:06:24

give you a hug. She says you were like, she

1:06:26

goes for lack of a better word, you were like,

1:06:28

zombified. You were,

1:06:31

I was shell shocked. I

1:06:35

was an emotional mental shock.

1:06:39

And I lost a

1:06:41

lot of weight. And

1:06:45

I couldn't eat or sleep for, I

1:06:48

can't tell you how many months, months

1:06:50

and months and months and months. I

1:06:53

was, and I had

1:06:55

to go back to work after

1:06:58

a while and, you know,

1:07:00

that was super difficult. And it

1:07:02

was surreal for me to

1:07:05

go back into a situation like

1:07:09

that. And I still

1:07:11

have, you know, I still suffer from PTSD

1:07:14

and sometimes I just burst into

1:07:16

tears. I have really bad days.

1:07:18

Some days are much better and

1:07:20

I'm functioning and I'm productive and other

1:07:23

days, it's not like that. But every day

1:07:26

I try to get something done. You know,

1:07:28

I try to move forward every

1:07:31

day. If it's speaking one thing, you

1:07:34

know, I try to move forward.

1:07:36

So it's been,

1:07:40

you know, I've kept a candle burning for

1:07:42

Aiden every day at home. I

1:07:45

have a picture of him and I keep a

1:07:47

candle. I've been to the dollar store a lot

1:07:49

and I've probably bought, I don't know, a big

1:07:51

candle. You

1:07:53

know, and I pray all

1:07:55

the time that I wake up and

1:07:58

that this is the day that I'm going to be. He

1:08:01

calls me, somebody calls

1:08:03

me, and he's found.

1:08:07

I just, you know, I don't,

1:08:10

I wouldn't wish this on anybody.

1:08:12

And it's

1:08:15

devastating. It changes your life. It's changed

1:08:17

forever. It's never going to be the same.

1:08:20

You're never going to have, you

1:08:22

know, the life that you had before

1:08:24

is kind of, you know, that's

1:08:28

always going to be gone. You

1:08:30

know, you're on it, you're living a different

1:08:32

kind of life now. Right.

1:08:35

And you, yeah, that's

1:08:37

it. Yeah. You

1:08:40

know, that's, your life is forever

1:08:42

changed. And

1:08:44

some people are lucky enough to get

1:08:46

closure. There's a lot of

1:08:49

people out there still. No closure. Right.

1:08:53

And so

1:08:56

I'm, I'm trying to keep

1:08:58

going, you know, so that

1:09:00

I can keep looking for him.

1:09:02

That's my day one purpose

1:09:05

in life now. That's it. What

1:09:10

are your plans for the rest? Of course, we're once again, we're

1:09:12

doing this interview on April 28th of 2024. I

1:09:15

should say almost to the exact day, one day

1:09:18

later, then that is, that

1:09:20

was not planned. At least not by

1:09:22

me to do this interview on this particular

1:09:24

day, knowing it was one day after his

1:09:26

disappeared state of 2022. But

1:09:29

what are your plans for the rest of

1:09:31

2024 to go back out to Nevada to

1:09:33

search again? Or what are your plans? Well,

1:09:37

we have exhausted, like

1:09:40

I have exhausted every monetary source

1:09:42

that I, and

1:09:44

so has family and friends. I

1:09:47

mean, we've put every time we go out there,

1:09:50

all of the resources, the slides,

1:09:52

everything, it's just like, if

1:09:54

we are at a point now where we're going to

1:09:56

have to wait. But

1:09:58

we also. are searching without because

1:10:01

of what you said. I guess there's people

1:10:03

going in there because she was,

1:10:05

who could have made it to the road. It's

1:10:08

possible there was water there. And

1:10:12

if he had turned around and gotten back out of

1:10:14

there fast enough. So there was

1:10:16

a sighting in Salt Lake City

1:10:18

that looked strikingly like Aiden. And

1:10:20

I don't know if I sent

1:10:22

you, do you have that photo? I

1:10:25

think he did send to me. You sent

1:10:27

me quite a bit. Yeah, it's

1:10:30

probably, yes. Yeah,

1:10:32

so, you know, there was, they

1:10:35

took a side picture and it looked a lot, there were a

1:10:37

lot, oh my gosh, it's so close. It

1:10:40

was backlit, it was blurry, you know. So

1:10:43

that's when we started looking, when we found

1:10:45

those tracks down that

1:10:47

close to that North Road, definitely

1:10:50

looking like his tracks. And

1:10:52

then there was, and we thought he might get out.

1:10:55

Then we started looking in other places, beach

1:10:58

areas, we went down to Santa Cruz.

1:11:00

There was somebody who contacted the family

1:11:02

member up in Washington and they were

1:11:04

from part of the homeless community in

1:11:06

Sacramento. We went up there, we looked

1:11:08

for him along the encampments, along

1:11:11

the rivers and stuff. We,

1:11:14

you know, we want to go up to Northern California now.

1:11:17

He was also, he's got

1:11:19

some favorite spots like around

1:11:21

Arcata and Eureka.

1:11:24

We're gonna go up there. So

1:11:26

when we're in this stage and

1:11:28

before we can garner some more

1:11:30

resources, financial resources, we go

1:11:33

into these areas like that and start

1:11:35

looking for them. And we've made business

1:11:38

cards because they're easier to hand to

1:11:40

people. You know, people are more likely to

1:11:42

put that in their purse and their wallet.

1:11:44

And if they see somebody, they're able to

1:11:46

pull it out instead of this big sheet,

1:11:48

you know, this big sheet. They're just, that's

1:11:51

gonna sit home. And we

1:11:53

have our QR code on it so that

1:11:55

people can get to his Facebook page and

1:11:58

get to his other social media. And

1:12:00

so, you know,

1:12:02

that's what we do now. So we're

1:12:05

going to be going to beach communities in

1:12:08

Northern California probably first and

1:12:10

some other communities up that way. And

1:12:13

then we're just working on getting the next

1:12:15

one together, but we're probably not going to

1:12:18

be able to get back out there this

1:12:20

summer. And there's only a short time between,

1:12:23

you know, after like we went out

1:12:25

one October, we got it was 71 degrees

1:12:27

the day before. Family

1:12:30

members traveled all the way from Florida, drove

1:12:32

14 hours. Then

1:12:35

they got snowed out in an hour and

1:12:37

a half. Oh my. Yeah, Northern

1:12:39

Nevada. Yeah.

1:12:44

So, you know, you have to

1:12:46

go between. We were praying this time

1:12:49

that the weather was holding up. We really just

1:12:51

like threw a dart at the calendar. And

1:12:53

before what we would do is we

1:12:56

would watch the weather and say, please stay tuned

1:12:58

for when the search is going to be. And

1:13:00

of course, we couldn't get that many searches because,

1:13:02

you know, they plan their lives. This

1:13:06

time we planned it three months out in advance

1:13:08

and it worked. We had a much bigger team.

1:13:12

And so, you know, we were at the mercy of

1:13:14

the weather. It could have been horrible and we could

1:13:17

have been washed out again. So,

1:13:19

you know, it's just luck. Do

1:13:23

you have a Facebook page website,

1:13:26

anything like that set up for

1:13:28

Aiden's disappearance? If so, why don't

1:13:31

you tell the listeners about it right now? Yeah.

1:13:35

So we have we have a Facebook

1:13:37

page, help find Aiden Clune. We

1:13:40

have a backup one, which is find

1:13:42

Aiden Clune. That's both Facebook pages. We

1:13:45

have have you seen Aiden Clune on

1:13:49

TikTok? There's a link tree

1:13:51

to all of these, too, you know, link trees

1:13:53

so that you can go to all of them.

1:13:56

He's on Instagram. That's not one we do a

1:13:58

lot of. We also we have a. GoFundMe

1:14:00

and we also are,

1:14:03

we have made necklaces

1:14:07

for, it's MHM, mental

1:14:09

health mercy. And on the backside,

1:14:12

it's engraved with call 988 for immersion, you

1:14:14

know, if

1:14:16

you're having a mental health crisis and

1:14:20

it's a guitar pick. It's in the shape of a guitar

1:14:22

pick and we're filling them with

1:14:25

that. Interesting. Yeah, that's creative.

1:14:27

Yeah. And

1:14:30

we're selling those for like $20 to raise money for him.

1:14:33

And I think, I don't know if I have

1:14:35

it on this help, find it in Clune, but I'll

1:14:39

get it on there. We've had a

1:14:41

couple of sales through Facebook and that's been

1:14:43

good that I'd like to step that up, you

1:14:45

know, but it's to help people. We've given a

1:14:47

lot of them away too, to people

1:14:49

who have come out and helped us search. We've

1:14:51

given them to homeless people, young

1:14:54

men, you know, and who

1:14:57

look like they need some help. You

1:15:00

know, we just take the one that we have

1:15:02

on and we just take it off and we

1:15:04

say, you know, we

1:15:07

tell them a story and say if you need

1:15:09

help, you know, and, you

1:15:11

know, we carry around socks in our cars

1:15:14

and all around these communities,

1:15:16

you know, socks are golden. They need

1:15:18

socks, everybody. If you

1:15:20

want to do something nice for homeless people, bring

1:15:23

them socks. I just bought a bunch of women's

1:15:26

socks. Yeah, they need socks.

1:15:29

Besides cash, you know, if

1:15:31

I'm in a fast food place and I'm

1:15:33

getting food and I see a homeless person, I'm

1:15:36

like, what do you want? I'm

1:15:38

getting some food. You know, I just

1:15:40

try to help people because I really feel

1:15:42

like, you know, a lot of people are,

1:15:45

this is the rough time right now in America

1:15:47

and we really need

1:15:49

to, in our

1:15:51

community, be in

1:15:53

care for people who are suffering.

1:15:55

There's a lot, you

1:15:57

know, and... And

1:16:00

I just want to be a

1:16:02

part of making, I can't do

1:16:04

a lot, but I just do what I can. That's what I

1:16:06

do. Even if I have two or three dollars, I just

1:16:08

give it to them. You know, I do

1:16:11

what I can. You

1:16:14

know, people need help. They do. Amy,

1:16:18

any final words before we complete this

1:16:20

interview? Yeah,

1:16:25

I'd say thank

1:16:27

you to everybody who's helped us. So

1:16:30

many people have helped us. So many

1:16:32

people. It's really

1:16:34

been incredible. People on

1:16:36

social media, my mods,

1:16:38

who have helped me do

1:16:41

TikTok, people who have

1:16:43

helped make the posters.

1:16:46

Jaz Mia, she's amazing. She helps with

1:16:48

posters for a lot of people. Everybody

1:16:52

in Elko. And

1:16:54

for people to be gentle with

1:16:56

each other. And

1:16:59

it's time for people to start

1:17:03

helping each other, being kind to each

1:17:05

other. And you don't

1:17:07

know what. A lot of people are going through a rough

1:17:09

time now. And

1:17:12

so let's be

1:17:14

kind and compassionate to

1:17:16

each other. I

1:17:18

think that's what we need right now. You

1:17:21

know, we need to stronger communities.

1:17:24

I wanted to thank you as well

1:17:26

for having me on and letting me

1:17:28

talk tonight about Amy's story. Thank you.

1:17:32

And raise awareness about his case. I appreciate

1:17:34

it very much. You're very

1:17:36

welcome. And I appreciate you being on this

1:17:38

episode of Unfound. Great.

1:17:42

Thank you. And that

1:17:44

was my April 28th, 2024 interview with

1:17:46

Amy Klune. Mother

1:17:51

of Aiden Klune. I

1:17:53

thank her for joining me and

1:17:56

all of you on this episode. As

1:17:59

I stated. Included in the interview, Amy

1:18:02

provided me with extensively detailed

1:18:04

maps to show where

1:18:06

she and many others have searched

1:18:08

over the past two years. In

1:18:11

addition, on those maps are

1:18:13

marked specific unique spots that

1:18:16

caught searcher's attentions. Please

1:18:20

find those pictures on Unfound's

1:18:22

Facebook page, in

1:18:24

the Facebook discussion group, and

1:18:27

on Unfound's website,

1:18:30

theunfoundpodcast.com. I

1:18:33

have also turned those pictures into

1:18:35

a video that can now

1:18:37

be found on Unfound's YouTube channel. You

1:18:40

really need to see the pictures to

1:18:42

see how desolate this area is and

1:18:45

how determined all the searchers have been

1:18:47

in trying to find

1:18:49

Aiden. As

1:18:52

I was preparing to feature Aiden's

1:18:54

disappearance, I was reminded

1:18:56

of a TV episode, a YouTube

1:18:58

video, something along those lines that

1:19:01

I watched within the past six

1:19:03

months regarding the

1:19:05

Death Valley Germans. These

1:19:08

were two adults and two

1:19:10

children from Germany, all

1:19:13

tourists, whose abandoned rented

1:19:15

minivan was found in Death Valley in

1:19:17

1996. Some

1:19:21

of the four could be found in

1:19:23

the immediate area. Initially,

1:19:25

of course, all sorts of theories

1:19:28

spread. Did the man

1:19:30

kill his girlfriend and the children

1:19:33

and take off to start a new life in

1:19:35

the United States? Did

1:19:37

the family come across a killer or

1:19:39

killers in the area and

1:19:42

the van was dumped there? And

1:19:45

yes, another idea was that they had taken

1:19:47

a wrong turn somehow, the

1:19:50

van got stuck and

1:19:52

the four had to try to walk for it.

1:19:55

Not until 2009, 13 years later, was that last

1:20:00

theory proven to be true. The

1:20:03

adults remains were found over 10

1:20:05

miles away. However, the

1:20:08

children are still missing. The

1:20:10

belief is that they were all trying to make

1:20:12

it to a nearby military base, but

1:20:14

succumbed to the harsh conditions first.

1:20:17

I think you can see why

1:20:20

this all came to mind while

1:20:22

thinking about Aiden's disappearance. Yet

1:20:25

there are big differences. The

1:20:28

Germans seemingly had acted in a

1:20:30

rational manner in going for help

1:20:32

although they were unsuccessful,

1:20:36

although it still took 13 years to

1:20:38

find them. Whereas, Aiden

1:20:40

had been acting in an

1:20:42

irrational manner, and his

1:20:44

tracks did not show him going

1:20:46

toward potential help. In

1:20:49

fact, they were haphazard, with

1:20:51

Aiden seemingly not having any

1:20:53

particular destination in mind. This

1:20:57

could lead us to believe Aiden suffered

1:20:59

the same fate as

1:21:01

the Germans. On

1:21:03

the other hand, despite the rumors in

1:21:05

the German case, there

1:21:08

were no people out there besides those

1:21:10

four, thus making an

1:21:12

attack or abduction or murder

1:21:14

scenario highly unlikely. Whereas

1:21:17

with Aiden,

1:21:20

Amy herself said that she and

1:21:22

many other searchers have encountered all

1:21:24

different types of people over

1:21:27

the past two years. And

1:21:29

I will say it here, just like I said it in

1:21:32

the interview. If the

1:21:34

searchers ran into random people, then

1:21:37

we must be open to the idea that

1:21:39

Aiden ran into the same types of people,

1:21:42

or more directly, they encountered

1:21:46

him. And if

1:21:48

he were in the same state of mind

1:21:50

that he had with his grandfather, then really

1:21:54

anything is possible. And

1:21:57

none of it good. I

1:22:00

hope you all spend some

1:22:02

time concerning the possibilities of

1:22:04

Aiden's disappearance, and keep

1:22:06

your minds very open. But

1:22:09

I know how doing so can put

1:22:11

you in some emotional places, so

1:22:14

please be careful to not allow the contemplating

1:22:16

to send you into your own spiral. If

1:22:23

you'd like to hear and read more

1:22:25

of my analysis into the disappearance of

1:22:28

Aiden Clune, please

1:22:30

go to

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1:22:41

then, I leave

1:22:43

the public theorizing up to you. And

1:22:47

that's the program. Right

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1:23:02

for listening. I'm Ed

1:23:04

Densl, and you've just

1:23:06

finished this episode of Unfound.

1:23:16

Thank you.