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Aiden Jerome clone. Was

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a nineteen the road from Sonoma,

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California. He was an

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only child and a creative kid.

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On April Twenty Sixth, Twenty

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Twenty two, Aiden had a

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disagreement with his grandparents in

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Utah. The next

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day, eight inch truck was

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found on the side of

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the highway outside Wells, Nevada

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with shoe prints heading off

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into the distance. He.

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Was never. Seen.

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Again, I'm

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a dancer. And

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this is and found.

1:05

A common feeling expressed by

1:07

family members. To me, Although

1:10

some don't come right out and

1:12

say it during the interviews is

1:14

a sense of helplessness. Whether

1:17

their loved ones are mixed

1:19

up in drugs or habitual

1:22

criminal activity or mental health

1:24

struggles, these mothers and fathers

1:26

and brothers and sisters and

1:29

friends. They feel

1:31

as powerless as if they're watching

1:33

a plane crash in the distance.

1:36

No words or actions change.

1:38

The trajectory is of these

1:41

troubled people's lives. Robbie

1:43

hurt a family man who could

1:46

not overcome his long time heroin

1:48

addiction. Found. Deceased.

1:51

Brandon, Baron. A

1:54

son who's mentor and drug issues

1:56

got so bad he threatened to

1:58

kill his parent. Sound.

2:01

Deceased. Run a

2:03

la mano. A young woman

2:06

who's paranoid schizophrenia got worse

2:08

and worse. And in

2:10

fact, she ran off while her sister

2:12

was in the process of providing Or

2:15

nay, with a better place to live.

2:18

Renee. Is still missing. Were.

2:20

Left thinking that nobody

2:22

could have changed the

2:25

outcomes of these and

2:27

many other on found

2:29

disappearances. Well with

2:31

eight include we are confronted

2:33

with the same situation. A

2:36

great kid who began to lose touch

2:38

with reality. Is

2:40

there anything that anybody could have done

2:42

to stop? The.

2:45

Spousal. And

2:47

now a summary of the case. This is

2:49

brought to you by my friend Megan Line

2:51

as his website. Charlie Project.

2:54

Dot. Org. Eight

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Include was the kind of kid who

2:59

kept to himself and looked for no

3:01

trouble from any. He

3:03

was creative and musical. Aden

3:07

was close to his mother, but did

3:09

not have much of a connection to

3:11

his father. Aden liked

3:13

to work and had several different

3:16

jobs as a teenager. However,

3:19

a prank done to him

3:21

by a strange girl that

3:23

went viral on tic toc

3:25

cent Aden into a funk

3:27

and which is mental health

3:29

began to deteriorate. He

3:31

suddenly began to be suspicious of people.

3:34

Aden would make plans than back out

3:36

this com and aided in him deciding

3:39

to take a trip to see his

3:41

grandparents in Utah. Aid

3:43

in. his mother thought this was a

3:46

great idea. So

3:48

on April twenty sixth, Twenty

3:50

twenty to. Aid in

3:52

showed up at his father's parents. However,

3:55

things went badly quickly.

3:58

While riding in his own from

4:00

with his grandfather, agents personality quickly

4:02

changed and he forced his grandfather

4:05

to get out of the truck

4:07

on the side of a highway.

4:10

Abandoning him. The

4:12

next day over the border in

4:14

Nevada. In the middle of nowhere.

4:17

Or highway Patrol officer came across eight

4:19

in. Agents

4:22

possessions were strewn around

4:24

it. He wasn't there.

4:27

He. Was never seen again. And

4:29

eventual areas search discovered shoe

4:32

prints going off toward a

4:34

distant mountain range. The trail

4:36

lasted for over ten miles

4:38

before vanishing in the sandy

4:41

high desert. Searches

4:43

since have yielded interesting information,

4:45

but know from ideas as

4:48

to where Aden could be.

4:51

Neither the free market nord governments

4:53

have been able to get a

4:55

handle on how to effectively treat

4:58

adults with mental health issues who

5:00

don't want help. Contemplate

5:03

how people's rights can

5:05

be respected, while

5:07

also getting them the therapy they need.

5:10

While you also try to answer

5:12

these three questions during the interview,

5:15

Number One was an opportunity

5:18

missed by the highway patrol

5:20

officer to end the disappearance

5:22

just a few hours into

5:24

it's existence, by him not

5:27

taking the abandoned truck more

5:29

seriously. Number Two,

5:32

Could eight and disappearance have

5:34

been caused by importing the

5:37

wrong destination into his Gps.

5:40

And number. Three, Should

5:42

we be open to the

5:44

idea that eight and exactly

5:47

run off, but somebody encountered

5:49

him out there in those

5:51

mountains. Aid in

5:54

Family has no from idea regarding

5:56

a theory as to why is

5:58

not been found yet. The

6:01

guests for this episode is eight

6:03

and his mother. Amy.

6:06

Clooney. Next.

6:08

Have. All have you heard of the fire

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in the sky? You are so incident. Well.

6:13

It is the topic of the

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Join to add either site to

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partake in my analysis of this

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Finally, I got to

6:31

meet one of and sounds longest

6:33

listeners this past weekend in Orlando.

6:36

He. Got in on the ground floor

6:39

way back in Twenty six teams.

6:42

We had a good time talking about

6:44

all sorts. Of stuff.

6:47

I'm so happy to have on this episode of

6:49

Unsound, The Mother. Of aiding Quinn is.

6:52

Amy One. Amy walk and

6:55

unfold. Extra

6:57

happened yesterday. A

7:00

good to talk to you are Amy. Our

7:02

listeners should know that See and I have

7:04

spoken a quite a few times and See

7:06

send me sent me a lot of information

7:09

records regarding the searches that we're going to

7:11

talk about and by the time all you

7:13

listeners are hearing our voices I was put

7:16

at least some the if not all of

7:18

this material out there so you can see

7:20

all the work that Amy has been doing

7:22

are going into Nevada to try to find

7:25

her son. We're going to get into that

7:27

of course in this discussion but sometimes it's.

7:29

Hard to. I'm really explain some of

7:32

it in audio so I you're going

7:34

to say you're going to really hear.

7:38

About. The Amy going out there and

7:40

going over many square miles trying to figure

7:42

out of course without going out there trying

7:45

to find her son. But we're going to

7:47

start year A. The it's good to talk

7:49

to you and on this episode or recording

7:51

this on April twenty eighth of twenty, Twenty

7:53

Four lists his first Talk about your family.

7:56

Of course Aden is your son, but you

7:58

have any other kids. Daughters sign

8:00

on how can you say about your

8:02

family. And

8:05

my only son while is my

8:07

only chest while yeah, Okay

8:10

is my only. Son. And

8:13

and I come from a family

8:15

of six siblings. And.

8:18

Strangely. I a lot of us only have

8:20

one of us. I felt. What

8:23

he thinks up with that? amy? I

8:27

guess remembering a competition from

8:29

lung like about woman, the

8:31

success of. In food cameras.

8:34

Yeah. Yeah, and you know, in

8:36

Illinois arguments two thousand and I

8:39

don't know why that is that.

8:41

I think that's the whole lot

8:43

of families are smaller these days.

8:45

To mom threw my own i

8:47

only son. And my only

8:49

child. Okay, so.

8:53

I have asked how did you come up with the

8:55

name aided. Design has some family significance or

8:57

is it as named after a famous person

8:59

or what? Where'd you get a. Blowout.

9:02

And a combination so.

9:06

I have my mother's maiden name. And

9:09

that was for my

9:11

grandfather, Jerome Clinton. And

9:14

on and were from our

9:16

county Clare in Ireland or

9:19

family. Of generating back

9:21

three. Three generations back

9:23

and of from the town

9:25

of Quinn. And. So

9:27

I've always liked Eight. And

9:29

clan the and to lose.

9:32

And still there was kind

9:34

of he knows he knows.

9:37

Of of ideas the my mind and

9:39

so am I decided. To name him

9:41

Aden. Jerome Clue after

9:44

my young maiden. Name

9:46

for maiden client. That's. Interesting.

9:48

I like, love it. I'm sorry

9:51

I didn't answer. Grandfather and my

9:53

Dad who can optimize. Because

9:55

I'm sorry. I'm sorry

9:58

if my grandfather agent's pretty. Father

10:00

to meet me at. All.

10:02

Either. Okay, so that's how

10:04

you came up with the name. a. Yes,

10:08

Okay, good Irish name in the listeners navy

10:11

know that I'm two thirds Irish myself. so

10:13

we're both from Ireland and that's how Aden

10:15

I should have known the inner knowing i

10:17

it knowing that does that will attend of

10:20

an Irish name. Maybe I should not have

10:22

been surprised. Where you gotta but it's certainly

10:24

that It's you know you, your grandfather, his

10:26

great grandfather's name and than that of course

10:29

the actor accent or thank you for that.

10:31

Very good. I love. Talking

10:33

about dogs we do reading some

10:35

unusual names. You. Know when you do

10:38

three and insist the as interviews ever. So now you're

10:40

going to run into some names that are common. And.

10:42

Seismic should the listeners understand were some

10:45

of these names come from Okay. Much

10:48

I would like the one

10:50

hundred patched? Yeah please. out

10:53

there. On the

10:56

interplast. Else

11:00

and it's always. On

11:04

everywhere. Else

11:06

and. I.

11:12

Ended. Up.

11:15

Seventy Nine when I

11:17

graduate. High school

11:20

things out on the. Online

11:22

of actually so as.

11:24

To when I when it came after high school.

11:26

I. Often have

11:28

to remind. You

11:34

how I get it. No

11:37

worse. When I.

11:40

Was a thing guys. Let's.

11:42

Talk about aid in you know what was

11:44

he insists Young man boy. Was these sports

11:47

video games? Lieutenant interests? what we were.

11:49

How would you describe personality as as

11:51

a little kid may be getting into

11:53

fried seniors? I would you explain all

11:55

that. Like

12:00

you. Learn how to draw a

12:02

very young age. Always try. And

12:05

cut his lectures and. I.

12:08

In Lego she would always. she was always years

12:10

ahead. you know, like the. Age group? yeah

12:12

and. He would not. He. Was

12:14

just stuff Sometimes the news. Really?

12:17

Focused he would get up and

12:19

then I got a few. Hours.

12:25

South of. To

12:29

help others do times when he gets

12:31

back and go backward. Yes

12:33

he was good at that. He was

12:35

the leader of arrest him alive He

12:37

it's no surprise that leader in middle

12:40

school and stuff. He was a good

12:42

writer he was reading, he. Is

12:44

reading comprehension was always like way off

12:46

the charts by middle school, college or

12:48

overeating and. I'm.

12:51

Very. High comprehension and so

12:54

he struggles with. Athletic

12:56

see how the. And a

12:58

part of some. You. Know you

13:00

can't have food intolerance. When he was

13:03

younger and he became very. A

13:05

queue and selections. Typically he was

13:07

unable to. Like. He

13:09

has no interest in new energy

13:12

sambal from and I needed some

13:14

stuff from the sky is essentially

13:17

sauce know nine last year and

13:19

and when I figured it out

13:21

he he woke up one morning

13:24

was like hey mama and he

13:26

was there is a bell and

13:28

so after that and he was

13:31

also falling and ups and downs

13:33

you like she's. File

13:38

and I'm. Growing

13:41

new series of saucers

13:43

com or to grow

13:45

and he started. Energy

13:47

and. I think of

13:50

his junior year. He. Actually joined track

13:52

for a short time. And

13:57

effort into large the. Why

14:01

are you no longer? The left

14:03

side of the gave us the

14:05

guitar in middle school with Spray

14:07

Middle School a program that they

14:10

had. And. Really enjoyed it

14:12

in. So that's where his music too.

14:14

Fast enough of. An.

14:17

Awful lot of the month though you

14:19

know he did a lot thought. he

14:21

had a great sense of humor. Very

14:23

advanced. You know is that

14:26

it's comprehension was pretty haha News on.

14:28

But also do it with humor. He he

14:30

got busted a lot of his friends didn't

14:32

get. And and she was.

14:35

Only he has some such a

14:37

good humor I'm he does this

14:39

as a gamer and. And

14:42

so. Is. She.

14:45

Said you know he also. Keeps

14:48

us I think or to you know,

14:50

very thoughtful. And to

14:53

ponder. You. Know country

14:55

about he would ask me clash know the in

14:57

the car. As we really serious

14:59

question what lies the sector. Will

15:03

hurt me get into them kind of

15:05

relationship. Did you hear you? Jesus? While.

15:09

We were close because the was it was me

15:11

and him you know and. And.

15:15

You know it was just me and him

15:17

and pounds. And. He

15:20

has been close friends and and that

15:22

you know we became friends, family and

15:25

stuff the room relationship like that stuff

15:27

and. We. I have

15:29

a very close friend that we went to their

15:31

family gatherings. All the time and.

15:34

So. We have like an extended kind of

15:37

family. You know, like the like. You.

15:39

Know have a family of that was

15:41

developed for my family kind of all

15:44

over the place or for ya there

15:46

on both coasts. Michigan all over,

15:48

you know? and. And

15:51

so. We were

15:53

pretty close to me and me really

15:56

connected through humor. And.

15:59

eight and like you know he

16:03

didn't lie to me he you know

16:05

like some kids tell this but even

16:07

was kind of self-dissessed like in a

16:09

way like where if he didn't

16:11

want to talk about it he'd say I'm not gonna talk

16:13

about that with you mom he can be

16:18

honest like that

16:20

pretty honest like that with me so he was

16:23

right a lot with me

16:28

as well yeah and we

16:30

used to play board games we'd like

16:33

to play we would play

16:36

sorry all the time and

16:38

and scrabble and we would

16:40

sit by the fire and he really wanted a

16:43

dog but you know I was a single mom

16:45

working a lot and that was you

16:47

know so that he I think

16:49

his love for dogs you know he came

16:52

out of yearning for wanting one but I I didn't

16:54

feel like I could take I'm not

16:56

a person who wants like me the dog

16:58

alone all day right yeah that's the I

17:00

think I think that makes sense yeah

17:04

yeah he

17:06

did we could have pads another little pads

17:08

you know that were easier to take care of

17:10

and he's always very gentle and loving

17:13

with animals and and

17:15

he was you know he was I

17:18

have to say he was he was pretty

17:21

easy to you know in a

17:23

lot of ways growing up as a child he

17:25

was he was he

17:28

was an easy child you know like

17:30

he picked things up quick and was

17:32

very good and and

17:34

listen to me okay now

17:38

I know there's something we have to talk about

17:40

that might have been a big influence on him

17:42

question of course we have to remember he was

17:44

just 19 years old when he went missing very

17:46

young guy here but there

17:49

was something that went on that you

17:51

had brought up once again how much you want to

17:53

say about it is up to you but had something

17:55

to do with some girl I guess was kind of

17:57

his girlfriend but then kind of Tricked

18:00

him or something and you said this really

18:02

might have had a really detrimental effect on

18:05

his mental health They

18:08

didn't have a couple of Aidan

18:12

had a couple of you know, that

18:14

wasn't the first time that she was kind

18:16

of like had it a problem

18:19

with someone who kind of like came

18:22

at him and was a

18:24

part of some kind of greater plan

18:27

like literally was like forethought,

18:30

you know, like there was a

18:32

one that happened in grade

18:34

school where a student came to him and

18:37

Wanted him to do something bad because they were

18:39

mad at their friend, you know, he's just sitting

18:41

there minding his own business and it

18:44

but he got really in

18:46

trouble for that and the person who

18:50

the person the student the

18:52

student who Masterminded

18:54

all this nothing nothing.

18:57

And so I actually took him out of that school Because

19:01

I could see what was happening and it

19:03

was It's not good. So

19:05

that was like in third grade. That was

19:07

the first time I put aiden into art

19:09

therapy So that he

19:11

could deal with that. He was kind of

19:13

traumatized by the way he was being treated

19:16

and the next school he went to was

19:20

upgrade school that's where he went to play guitar

19:22

things were much better there for him and and So

19:27

then later, you know little

19:29

school was kind of a you know, there wasn't anything

19:31

major going on there, but This

19:34

girl that you're talking about. She was not his girlfriend.

19:36

Okay, she wasn't he

19:39

would she didn't go to the same school with her

19:41

he had a girlfriend and she wasn't it and

19:44

And What this young

19:46

lady, you know, I was hoping that

19:48

she felt remorseful about what

19:50

she did But she doubled down on

19:53

a social media platform and kind

19:55

of continued with it after it's

19:57

disappearance and that was really

19:59

disheartening to see a person

20:02

do that because what

20:04

she doesn't know is that I was sitting

20:06

at the kitchen table with my son when

20:08

she called him. And

20:11

I could see the confusion on my

20:13

son's face. And I said,

20:15

who is that? And he goes, oh,

20:17

hang on. You know, like he's listening to this

20:19

person. It was clear to me that he

20:22

didn't really know this person that well. And

20:28

so when

20:30

she's, I'm just going to call out and say what she's

20:32

saying on her, what she said

20:34

on her social media platform is not true.

20:37

I was there. I saw my son's reaction.

20:40

He didn't know her that well. She

20:42

had some kind of, I don't know if it was jealousy

20:45

or what the heck it was. She

20:49

had, she was a troubled person herself. She

20:51

went to a different high school for kids

20:54

who needed a

20:56

different teaching track. And

20:59

she was in

21:01

a facility. What

21:04

exactly, you're going to have to explain Amy, what

21:06

exactly happened. What happened here? What was she trying

21:09

to do? I mean, what was the situation? She

21:11

was, she was trying to, I

21:13

think, put a wedge in between him and

21:15

his girlfriend. And I don't

21:18

know who she was upset with. My

21:20

son or his girlfriend. But

21:23

she asked him for a ride from

21:25

this facility. And

21:27

so I could see this was an

21:29

unusual situation when I was watching Aiden react

21:31

because it was so weird. And I said,

21:33

what is that? You know, who

21:35

are you talking to? And he goes, just a minute.

21:37

And so when he got off the phone, he said,

21:39

oh, it's so and so. I don't really know her,

21:41

but she needs a ride. And

21:46

he started, he said, you know, I think people think I'm

21:48

a really good guy. She must trust me. He

21:50

started feeling good about it. You know, like,

21:53

oh, she needs my help. And she's turning to me

21:55

for help. And that's that's nice. You know, and I'm

21:57

going to go get her mom and then I'll be

21:59

back. you know and I said well

22:01

why aren't her parents picking her up

22:03

because I don't know maybe she just

22:05

doesn't want to talk to them you

22:08

know or something and I said well okay you

22:10

know and I asked him where it was and

22:12

he told me and I

22:14

said okay well just go there and

22:16

come right back you know it just

22:18

seems like a weird situation a weird

22:21

phone call right from the start. Okay.

22:23

Well so

22:25

what she did was she took

22:28

video of him and and

22:30

she kept in the in the

22:32

vehicle and kept grabbing his hand

22:35

and he was looking over like I think later

22:38

this video got taken down by the way and

22:40

there were people at the end who were saying

22:42

like he looked confused he didn't look like he

22:44

felt comfortable with

22:46

her you know trying to grab

22:49

his hand and and

22:51

it said something she was posting out

22:53

there that like she found out

22:56

her boyfriend has a girlfriend or something like that

22:58

which is not the case. I mean it

23:01

was it was just this made up I

23:04

don't know why she did it I

23:06

have no clue why someone would do

23:08

something like that other than there's some

23:10

kind of sour feelings there. There's

23:13

some kind of sourness on her part

23:16

and and but what

23:18

happened was that it ended up going

23:20

viral and you know I really wish

23:22

that young people would know you

23:24

know it's a joke to you you think

23:26

you're gonna pull a prank on somebody

23:29

you think you're gonna cause

23:31

some little rifts or you

23:34

know something like that and

23:36

what you end up doing is

23:38

utterly really hurting

23:41

someone. Yeah. And so this video

23:43

it went viral you

23:46

can really hurt someone that way and don't

23:48

do it. There's some don't

23:51

don't actively go out and try

23:53

to hurt people because

23:55

you don't know what the outcome is gonna be and

23:58

so eight And so I

24:02

guess it was like a week or so

24:04

later, Nathan

24:07

was, I came home from work and I

24:10

looked down, there was a

24:12

paper bag by the front door by

24:14

the, in the entryway hallway, and

24:17

there was hair sticking out of it. And

24:19

I looked in the bag and there was a lot of

24:21

hair sticking out of it, all

24:25

of Aiden's hair. I immediately

24:27

called him, I said, what is going on?

24:29

And he was like, nothing,

24:31

he was in a state of mania, mania,

24:34

he was, she was mad. And

24:37

he was like, nothing, I feel great. And

24:39

then I said, Aiden, what is going on?

24:41

I was very worried about him. And

24:45

he's like, no, man, I'm fine, I'm fine. He

24:47

was in a state of, he was in a

24:49

manic state. And then

24:51

he came home and he, I said,

24:54

and then I sat with him and tried to get him

24:56

to tell me, he said he wouldn't call

24:58

me. But that video

25:01

she uploaded went viral with

25:03

over like a million views. And

25:08

he, this girlfriend that he loved so

25:10

much, of course, it

25:12

did cause a problem. But

25:15

I think she was able to see through it. People

25:18

started to see through it, you know? I

25:22

don't know what this girl's reputation is, but people

25:25

started to see through it. And, but

25:28

you know, that, so this was,

25:31

this was the first time I'd like seen him in

25:33

a state of mania. And

25:37

it took a while for him to calm down.

25:39

And so I, you

25:41

know, he had, he was in therapy more

25:46

than a few times. You know,

25:48

there's also the thing with his dad,

25:51

which was an ongoing, you know, he just

25:53

had so much that he was dealing

25:55

with. I Mean, that's the thing

25:57

that I'd like to say. You.

26:00

Don't know people are dealing with. Please

26:02

do Not. Add. To.

26:05

Their. I'm

26:07

Pamela. There's no reach anybody

26:09

to. Go. Out and

26:11

actively. Off her

26:13

people. If. It's you. Don't

26:15

know what's gonna happen. When

26:18

when did this happen? Know what you

26:20

have mercy were missing And twenty twenty

26:22

two, When did this happen with this

26:24

girl is the went viral on one

26:26

was a three year it was three

26:29

years prior. Nickel and Dime poker? Yeah

26:31

and. And. Of so

26:33

he see a therapist. Of

26:35

oh wow. Florida

26:37

chew and that I think I tried to

26:40

get him to see a therapist. After

26:43

that in. You. Know we were.

26:46

We were trying to can get erupted in

26:48

Keizer and they were telling us or you

26:50

make this appointment and then it'll be six

26:52

to eight weeks before the next place mulling.

26:54

Why You. And. They said when

26:56

he can join our team for have been

26:58

in a eighty was like no, I don't

27:01

want group therapy. And he.

27:03

Wanted when he had serious

27:05

stuff. Is it? Bothers

27:10

you know, his own personal

27:12

issues with his father guns.

27:15

And. Just. You.

27:17

Know some other things. it's hard for

27:19

kids, you know, and. Anyway,

27:25

so he says that he also had a problem

27:27

with The Woods Cove Eastern of course, and twenty

27:29

twenty that he did not handle That. Of

27:34

course not because he was, he was

27:36

already having issues and she was. Like

27:44

what he called our ass off

27:46

for And. for

27:49

breakthrough anxiety and oh,

27:51

And what she eats of for others. It

27:54

was like taking. Medicine. And.

27:58

Surgery stuff in any would. And

28:00

in it and find. Try. To get of,

28:02

we tried to get him for weekly therapy but he

28:05

said he just. Have. A

28:07

mechanical every six the evenings. Not

28:10

as love know how. Oh

28:12

she's he didn't. Do that, And then the.

28:16

Land. Of the cancer because she was

28:18

working at a grocery. Store: local

28:20

grocery store and. He.

28:24

He started working as soon as he

28:26

could serve you. He literally was working

28:28

like on his sixteenth birthday. He. In

28:31

trained already, when he was ready

28:33

to go at sixteen medical money,

28:36

he wanted by stuff and so

28:38

he was working as first restore.

28:40

And. Years

28:42

as a pandemic head. And

28:45

all of the older workers bluff they

28:47

were like out of there and so

28:49

in electing a lot of places are

28:51

a lot of young people running a

28:54

restaurant. Twenty years of. Working.

28:56

All the jobs working full time and

28:58

he was the one hand it after

29:00

that and then they. Are you in

29:02

the grocery store in that thing for

29:04

sister of my somewhere in the checkout

29:07

lane Weaver customers and. This. Man

29:09

behind us have an. Older gentleman

29:11

says this. Is your son?

29:14

And I said, are you

29:16

listening? Yes she is. Actually

29:19

nice meal. Is still

29:21

apply. So. Helpful. Just.

29:24

You should be profits that I am in case

29:26

of it's a delightful. Person. And.

29:28

I was sixteen. Miles. You

29:31

know, really? Yeah. So you

29:33

know he was always very kind of

29:35

nice people in this was. A

29:38

during the Conservative, it's crazy, I

29:40

mean, there were people screaming and

29:42

yelling like had signs on their

29:45

back and day away. Will.

29:47

They were a lot of business with

29:49

our young people were dealing with with

29:52

people having meltdown. was

29:55

a very difficult times for on

29:57

businesses that also the of people

29:59

working these businesses. I

30:02

remember going into a restaurant one time and there

30:04

was a teenager running

30:07

all of the tables and they take out

30:10

just one kid. I

30:13

mean, it was so

30:15

hard on the young people. And

30:19

Aiden, you know, the

30:21

first week there and so

30:24

right before, there was spring break

30:26

right before the pandemic hit. And

30:29

him and his girlfriend that he

30:31

loved so much, she was an amazing

30:33

young lady. She was an amazing

30:35

young lady and she was

30:38

very driven academically and

30:40

when Aiden was

30:43

in a relationship with her, he got straight

30:45

A's. So I knew he could

30:47

get straight A's but he wasn't

30:49

as quite as motivated as her. He

30:51

would be happy with a little slightly

30:54

less than A sometimes, you know. But

30:57

she motivated him. He had straight A's. She

30:59

was so amazing but they broke up right

31:02

before the pandemic. So this

31:06

really floored him.

31:09

This really floored him. He

31:12

was inconsolable. I didn't know what to do. So

31:14

this is where I get on to Kaiser and

31:17

I'm literally crying screaming at

31:20

these people. I was

31:22

crying. I was sobbing. I was like, please

31:24

get him some care but everybody needed care,

31:26

right? And I

31:29

told them how worried I was about

31:31

him and I was having a

31:33

breakdown on the phone with these people

31:35

over getting him some mental

31:37

health care. And so

31:40

they contracted it out through

31:42

a service. They had a couple of

31:44

companies that did that. And

31:46

so finally I

31:49

was able to get him somebody and Aiden,

31:51

you know, everything was through Zoom or

31:53

telephones during that time. And

31:56

I think the second time that he had

31:58

an appointment and I was You

32:01

no able to. A

32:05

guy fire which I suppose. Someone

32:11

had any real issues. That. Are

32:14

supposed to be okay. And. I

32:16

could sit with us non. Picky eating time

32:18

I want to talk to that the and he said

32:20

no. And. No.

32:23

No no, no, never mind And you

32:25

know at this point I I don't

32:27

know if that's true. I

32:32

don't know if I'm so excited about

32:34

things. Like I said, he wouldn't. He

32:38

wouldn't. Lies. The economic owning slaves

32:40

else that he would just say. I'm not

32:42

going to tell cheaper. So.

32:47

For them school school was being done in

32:50

he was not to eat well. I. It

32:52

was everything in my power and to do

32:54

have been learning to wake him up know

32:56

she was an essential worker. I was an

32:58

essential worker. I wasn't. I wasn't one

33:00

of. These people staying home and. Guinea.

33:03

Bother, You know? Although. For

33:05

their kids which I know some people tell me. How.

33:09

We think deficit. Big. Deal.

33:11

But it was. On. And.

33:14

And. So I had to go to work

33:16

every day and I was trained which mouth

33:18

everyday and I was coming home sometimes by

33:20

which the home. On.

33:23

And into tough enough to

33:25

saved. as a call and like

33:27

to return he was sleeping he

33:30

he was not going to his

33:32

classes of it's really worried about

33:34

and so i would go. Home.

33:36

And and check on him and then

33:39

sometimes he was working like a said

33:41

he would. Work and watch it.

33:43

So like soon as class was the out

33:45

on since he would be at work. And.

33:50

You still? There was a really difficult time. we

33:52

fell into this. Really? Is

33:55

kind of depression. And.

33:57

Chino, you know, sleeping a lot. Like.

34:00

I know teenagers Nikola Tesla has it

34:02

was. Carried. Out did ever

34:04

get officially diagnosed with any and

34:06

in a you know you Christie's.

34:09

Seeing a therapist said will you know

34:11

did you first get any You know.

34:15

Determination. Of. What?

34:18

He wants was or. Authentication.

34:24

Up with anxiety. Or.

34:27

That at this time. And

34:31

human. Health

34:36

and I actually have. Club.

34:40

Omni. Not a lot

34:42

of places lines and I was talking. Trust

34:44

me, I need to talk to my son

34:46

and so I'm standing in she facilities and

34:48

a half. You know, If she

34:51

wouldn't call and please talked and

34:53

talked. To. Talk to this

34:55

woman. First few minutes money to panic the

34:57

phone back and you know that. Like.

35:00

Had stuff up in the sense of

35:02

get this. Is

35:06

really difficult and. So.

35:09

Then you know he. Wouldn't.

35:12

Even know he was gonna be able to house. Graduation.

35:17

And of you know. He was

35:19

a graduation. And and I have

35:21

we had to have. We had

35:23

to have a special stuff from

35:25

the class. was thinking of work

35:27

for now. He seems a little

35:29

bit better. But. He.

35:33

He. Got a new job and

35:35

on. A very select the

35:38

topic Greece. he was needing some

35:40

as a catalyst for car crowd

35:42

and. And. Doing

35:45

stuff with than not a new

35:47

girlfriend and you know you know

35:49

Harvest and people who either new

35:51

or old boy things are looking

35:53

up. And

35:56

happier up and so. that that

35:58

when i'm sure well who's refined,

36:01

but after

36:03

about a year that he

36:05

was with this

36:08

new girlfriend, he started getting,

36:16

I noticed he

36:18

was very distrustful

36:20

of people. He

36:22

said that he

36:25

didn't like what was going on in this one

36:27

group of friends and I said, well, trust your

36:29

gut. And then him

36:32

and this girlfriend, she was kind of

36:35

like he was introducing him. He was

36:37

introducing her to these people and he

36:41

didn't want her around

36:43

them. He was starting to become

36:45

very distrustful of them.

36:48

And he had some

36:50

issues there and so they broke up. And

36:53

it was right around this

36:55

time that he was like, I'm going

36:57

to, you know, he graduated and

36:59

he was super happy about that. And I know

37:01

people have seen that photo of Aiden who looks

37:04

so happy. And he

37:06

wanted to move up to Washington with

37:10

a family member and he

37:12

had been up there before, visited with them

37:14

and liked it up there. And it was

37:16

a different kind of people. There was like

37:19

a working class, a lot of working class

37:21

people, which,

37:24

you know, is not, Sonoma has a

37:26

lot of affluent people. And

37:30

I think Aiden felt more comfortable

37:33

around, you

37:37

know, people that I think, you

37:39

know, match how he felt inside. Like

37:41

I'm not an affluent person

37:43

who lives in a big house and all this, you

37:45

know. And he was like, here's people

37:48

like me, you know,

37:51

working and,

37:53

you know, getting by and stuff

37:55

like that. So, and there was also a

37:57

music scene up there and was introducing him.

38:00

to some friends,

38:02

I have this family member

38:04

who were into music kind

38:06

of like he was doing it through

38:09

music programs and stuff and so he

38:11

wanted to live up there so it was

38:14

a huge thing you know I ran around

38:16

and I was buying him everything. I remember

38:18

when I moved out I had zero. I

38:21

don't think I had a frying pan okay. So

38:24

I'm trying to set him up,

38:26

I'm getting him kitchen

38:29

stuff, I'm getting him side tables, lamps

38:31

that he might need, bathroom stuff he

38:33

might need. You know I was kind

38:35

of trying to set him up. And then what just to

38:37

make sure we understand this, when was this? This

38:42

was in February

38:46

of 22. All right so just a

38:48

few months before he went missing. So

38:51

February 22 you think he's

38:53

moving to the state of Washington. Yes

38:57

okay in the Vancouver

38:59

area okay and

39:03

so he

39:06

got there and not even

39:08

a week went by and he called me.

39:11

I got a message one

39:13

morning and it was him

39:15

sounding upset and

39:17

he had left it like at midnight so I

39:19

tried to call him back and I didn't hear

39:21

back from him and he said

39:23

oh it's okay I think I was my

39:26

leg was shaking and it was weird. I

39:28

felt weird and I said okay is everything

39:30

okay? And he said yeah

39:32

we're just moving so like when he first

39:34

went up there he was at his he

39:37

was at the old apartment they

39:39

were moving into a new apartment so they

39:41

were busy moving everything over to this new

39:44

apartment. And then a few

39:46

more days go by and he calls me

39:48

and he says he says I

39:51

think I'm having

39:54

a panic attack. Wow.

39:56

My leg is shaking and

39:59

I and he could hardly

40:01

breathe. Now, he

40:03

did start another relationship before

40:05

he left for Washington. And

40:10

I think it got more serious than he

40:13

intended it to be and they

40:15

were having this long-distance thing. And

40:18

so he said,

40:22

it happens when I'm talking to her

40:24

and I said, well, please stop talking

40:26

to her. I

40:28

said, I think this is

40:31

getting too intense for you.

40:33

Please don't just

40:35

stop, just take a break. Please.

40:40

And so it was

40:43

just a few days,

40:45

maybe five days after that.

40:48

I get a call from him and he is

40:51

in a panic. And he

40:54

says, he's

40:57

having a panic attack again. And

41:01

he says, he feels weird and

41:04

that he is

41:06

worried about people in

41:08

the house. And

41:11

I said, then leave.

41:14

Okay. I said, quietly get

41:16

your stuff. And I'm on the phone with him.

41:19

And so he did. And then he got

41:21

into his, he quietly left the house. And

41:24

so then he was in his vehicle and

41:26

we were talking and I said, you

41:29

know, we have a couple of family members up there.

41:32

I said, you know, why don't you wait

41:34

for a decent hour? And then we

41:37

called them and go over there.

41:39

And so we were just on

41:41

the phone that whole night and I had

41:43

him on 360 and so

41:45

I could see where he was. I told him, please turn

41:47

on 360. I need

41:50

to make sure you're okay. And

41:53

he was in a very, he

41:57

was having some kind of panic attack. He

42:00

could barely breathe. He

42:03

was like hyperventilating. And

42:06

this is when I said,

42:08

well, you know, I said, you should

42:10

come home. And he's like, I don't want to

42:12

go home. You know, I'll go see, I'll go

42:15

live with this other family member. And

42:17

so he was there for three days at the

42:19

family member's house, and they went and got some

42:21

of his stuff. And

42:26

then after a few days there, he

42:29

started telling me he

42:31

doesn't want to stay there. He

42:33

doesn't feel safe. He's, you

42:35

know, he's, yeah, he's just

42:37

now I'm starting to see this, like

42:39

there's a pattern, you

42:41

know, and I'm

42:44

telling him, please come home.

42:46

And he's like, well, I

42:48

can't right now. I've got to get my stuff. And I

42:50

said, well, he goes, I'm going to try

42:53

and stay with one of these music people that he has

42:55

met. And I said, oh,

42:57

God, you can know them, Aiden. And he said,

42:59

no. So he says, well, I

43:01

kind of know him. I think he'll let me

43:03

stay. And so he contacted him. So there's just

43:06

a lot of phone calls back and forth. And

43:08

I'm very worried about him. And

43:12

he gets to this young

43:14

man's place. And the young

43:16

man says, well, I want to talk to your mom.

43:19

I want to know what kind of person

43:21

you are. You know, because I barely know

43:23

you. Yeah. And so I got

43:25

on the phone with him and he said, yeah. So,

43:29

you know, I said, well, he's asking me questions. But

43:31

Aiden, he says, can I trust him?

43:33

I said, oh, yeah, you're going to

43:35

Aiden is very cash register on us.

43:37

He goes, what is that? Yeah,

43:42

I said, he doesn't he doesn't take things. He's

43:44

not going to take it. And

43:47

and he was OK.

43:49

And then he said something to

43:51

Aiden and he must have walked

43:53

away from Aiden. And he said,

43:56

does your son have mental issues?

44:00

And I said,

44:02

what? I said, well, he's had a

44:04

lot of depression and he's, that's why, you

44:06

know, I think he's trying to

44:08

get away from some of his problems from

44:10

about there. But that is not like what,

44:13

I mean, that's not like what,

44:16

when he was asking me, were, is

44:18

your son like, you know, having

44:20

a mental, like, is he on

44:23

medication? He diagnosed with something?

44:25

That's, and so right

44:27

then I was like, I was

44:29

very, oh my gosh, I said,

44:32

okay, so just, I'm a scanner

44:34

tonight and he agreed and

44:37

when I'm three, he's gone

44:39

up and I

44:41

talked to him on the phone and convinced him to come back.

44:45

Let me jump in here. Let me ask you some

44:47

questions. So he stayed with a few family members during

44:49

this time. At the time, not

44:51

only were you talking to them, but were you, I

44:53

mean him, were you talking to them? Were

44:56

they like giving, were they

44:58

like giving you like, you know, another

45:00

story as to what was going on? You know,

45:02

he said he didn't feel comfortable there. Were they

45:04

saying the same thing? Well,

45:08

some of the people that can get

45:10

ahold of right away, they were working at a

45:12

job where you can't contact and stuff and, and,

45:15

but later they said he

45:18

was acting, was

45:20

acting strange. This

45:25

one night they said Aiden did something

45:27

that seemed strange and then he just got up and

45:29

walked into his room. I

45:32

didn't really get that from the

45:35

second family member. They

45:37

asked, is everything okay? Why is he staying

45:40

with his friends? And, and

45:42

yeah, there was a lot of talk, you know,

45:44

and, and, you know, coordinating like, I don't think

45:46

this is going to work out with this

45:48

one family member. So can you help him get

45:50

his stuff? Yes, we can Do that. He swelled

45:52

him, stay here as long as he wants. And

45:54

Then three days later when he wanted to leave,

45:57

they're like, is everything okay? And I Just told

45:59

him, I

46:02

don't want to. I didn't know what

46:04

was going on each know I just

46:06

wanted a I. Thought of that, I

46:09

just come back. So are. You.

46:11

Know the. So.

46:13

Attitude: Twenty. Eight

46:16

inches from stuff and she didn't even

46:18

have all of the stuff. We have

46:20

built up later in the rest of

46:23

the stuff on. Stuff

46:26

says she struck back down

46:28

again on. Shown

46:30

he really needed it would cost an

46:33

estimated of. You.

46:35

Know? Don't Don't know? Why don't you

46:38

just relax for a. Fee. For

46:40

thing. Our own judgment

46:42

calls for a while and.

46:45

And. I. Want you

46:47

to see some a therapist and he

46:49

did a me about that and I

46:51

thought that was a sign of us

46:53

Have been a. You

46:56

know, wasn't gonna argue with him. Team.

46:59

You know that he was. Listener.

47:03

Data. Blinds I didn't mother upset him.

47:06

So. I

47:08

want to since it's it's relax. And sleep. I don't

47:10

think she has been. c. O

47:13

R. I said you know

47:15

you can go to parties to go to the the

47:17

square and bust you know. Just. For

47:19

fun and and I said to go

47:21

see your friends go. You

47:24

know just chill out store for with your

47:26

friends to to the ocean choose to take

47:28

a pay and he looked out a lot

47:30

and it was kind of the mean you

47:32

know if it a said before it was

47:34

just so place to. Go He? Really?

47:36

This? Homes and

47:39

like going out there

47:41

and and so. Soon.

47:44

A third time in about going on a trip. When.

47:49

Did you start talking about to turn of

47:51

yell? So. Much for

47:53

he he. he was home for a

47:55

while many is bored I go forth

47:57

and he started looking for a job.

48:00

again. And so he

48:02

started looking for a job and he

48:04

found one that was going to be in Sonoma

48:06

but he had to train in another town. And

48:08

so he spent, I don't know if it was

48:11

a week or so doing that. And

48:13

then he came back up

48:15

and he did a few days training

48:17

there. And then he had

48:20

one official work day and I know

48:22

I've talked about this before but there

48:24

was something that happened there. And

48:28

where this person

48:32

that had a connection to some of the people

48:34

at the coffee place, they,

48:37

this person embarrassed him in front

48:40

of customers, you know, kind of

48:42

like in very, I

48:45

would say, inappropriate way. And

48:48

so I came home

48:50

and I that day and I,

48:54

you know, the store was shut and so I,

48:56

you know, I knocked on it and I compared anything

48:59

and so I waited a few minutes and I went

49:01

back and I knocked on the door and he

49:04

said, yeah. And I went in and he

49:06

found a door, like he had a person's

49:08

hipster, like, hey,

49:10

how did it go today?

49:13

And he was in bed and he just

49:15

said, he goes, okay. I

49:17

said, yeah. And then he just

49:19

burst into tears and

49:23

he was, told me about what

49:25

happened. And so I have

49:28

a little notebook that I keep with me

49:30

and I said, well, we're going to document this,

49:33

but, you know, you need to take this to HR

49:35

and let's document it. So I started

49:38

writing it out and he

49:40

was like, no, no, just let me write it out.

49:42

And so he wrote it out next

49:44

to my page and then he wrote a

49:47

letter of resignation and he said, can

49:49

I, you know, should I quit? I said, yeah. You

49:51

don't need to, no, you quit. Go

49:53

ahead and quit. You

49:57

don't feel comfortable there. And so.

50:00

He wrote up a resignation letter and took

50:02

it in, I think, on a Sunday. And

50:05

I'm not

50:07

sure if that was the Saturday or Sunday,

50:10

but he gave it

50:12

to the assistant manager who was, I

50:15

guess the manager was getting married that

50:17

weekend. And they

50:19

said, you know, don't worry about it.

50:22

Stay here. She's leaving anyway. And he

50:24

said, no, no, I'm not

50:26

putting. And so

50:30

he was home that Sunday.

50:33

And that's when I had been, I was

50:35

working two jobs at this time. My

50:40

name is Joss. I was looking for a

50:42

therapist for him. And I found

50:44

one. So Monday,

50:47

I believe it was Monday. Now,

50:51

this was a Sunday. I

50:55

said, hey, I came home from work. And I said, hey,

50:58

I found this guy. Do you want to

51:00

go to therapy, please? And

51:03

he said, OK, mom. And

51:05

so I said, well, here he is. And you know,

51:07

just pop up on him. He goes, OK,

51:09

mom. And then he

51:11

was looking at his phone. We were sitting in

51:14

the living room. And she

51:16

got like a disability. And

51:19

she was looking at his phone. She

51:21

got like a

51:24

disturbed look on his face. And

51:27

I said, what's wrong? And he goes, nothing.

51:29

Nothing's wrong. And he jumps up

51:32

in his room. And he gets some noise.

51:34

And I said, is everything OK? You

51:37

know, I'm off. Is

51:39

everything OK? And I was worried. And he said,

51:41

no, it's OK. Everything's

51:43

fine. Everything's good. And he

51:46

came out a little while later. And he said, you know,

51:48

I think I just need to get out of town for

51:50

a few days. And I said,

51:53

well, what do you mean? Where are you going

51:55

to go? And he said, well, I'm just going

51:57

to go stay with a friend or

51:59

like a friend. dad and I was

52:01

surprised to hear him say that

52:04

because him and his dad had

52:06

relationship and I

52:08

think since sophomore year really and

52:11

I mean that's when they kind of they weren't

52:14

talking anymore. Okay. And

52:17

yeah they had gotten

52:19

he didn't really know his dad

52:21

until the end

52:23

of his grade and then they had

52:26

a relationship for a while but it

52:28

didn't go well and and

52:31

you know I wanted of

52:33

course I wanted things to

52:35

work out but

52:39

that's not what happened so. Where

52:42

does dad live?

52:44

He lives in Northern California. Okay.

52:47

And yeah and

52:49

but you know I had to

52:51

respect Aidan's you know I'm not

52:53

gonna what Aidan wanted and

52:55

how he felt about it I

52:57

feel like he had every right

52:59

to feel whatever he

53:01

felt about it and what

53:04

he wanted to do with that relationship was up to

53:06

him. And

53:09

so there was kind of the

53:11

end of that so of course

53:13

I was surprised here that

53:16

he wanted to go stay with his dad and I

53:18

said well you know I thought well wow he really

53:20

wants to get out of town and

53:23

I said okay well

53:25

can you give your dad a heads

53:27

up because he's probably not

53:29

going to be expecting you and he says yeah

53:31

yeah okay. So I

53:33

mean I was I was worried

53:36

but I just wanted him

53:38

to calm down I was hoping he was

53:40

going to go stay with this one friend

53:42

who lives nearby that he visited sometimes and

53:45

just a friend you know and

53:47

I said can you please call me when

53:49

you wherever you go you

53:51

know please give me a call but

53:55

he didn't. So

53:57

I was trying to text him and I was getting no reply.

54:00

So I

54:02

called his father and I told

54:05

him he might be coming your way. You

54:08

know, just to give you a heads up, you know,

54:10

let me know. I told him to call me. And

54:14

so I just

54:16

had this bad feeling, you know, when Aiden

54:19

was going out the door, and this is

54:21

not something my son has ever done before,

54:23

but I said, Aiden, don't sleep

54:25

in your car. Don't sleep in

54:27

your truck. I

54:29

don't know. I just had this feeling. I

54:32

said, don't do that, please. I

54:35

said, please come home or

54:38

go to your friend or your dad

54:40

and call me. Please, I just need

54:42

to know that you're okay. Okay, Mom.

54:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he grabs some stuff,

54:47

throws it in his car. And,

54:52

you know, I said, I love you. And

54:56

then when I tried to call him later, he

54:58

wasn't in text and he wasn't replying. So

55:05

the next morning, I'm texting

55:08

and calling, texting and calling, and finally

55:10

he answers, and he's like, what?

55:13

Really, now I'm showing up.

55:15

And I'm like, where have you been? You

55:17

know, and he said, Mom, I did.

55:19

I slept in my truck. I

55:22

said, why did you do that? And

55:26

he told me he was at this one park that

55:30

his dad used to play ball at.

55:34

And I said, can you please come home?

55:37

And he told me, no, I'm not coming home.

55:41

You know, and I heard him driving. And

55:44

I said, where are you? And

55:46

he says, I'm not going to tell you. Don't

55:49

worry about it. I said, Aiden, where are you? And he

55:51

says, Mom, I got to go now. So

55:54

I started any time paying the,

55:57

and you know, this was kind of a, cyclical

56:00

thing that he did for the next couple days.

56:03

And so

56:06

at this point I called his dad, I

56:09

said, he's like, yeah, he never

56:11

showed up. And I was like, yeah, I

56:13

guess not. And I was saying, I'm gonna

56:18

report him missing. So

56:21

this is on

56:24

the 25th, I was saying, like, if he

56:27

doesn't come home, I'm gonna report him missing.

56:29

Just to be clear, April 25th of 2022, just to make sure April 25th. Yes.

56:34

Okay. Yes. Okay.

56:37

So, so later

56:39

that night, eight something I

56:41

called his father back and I said, okay,

56:43

I reported him missing. And

56:46

so in

56:48

hindsight, what happened was, was, and I did

56:50

have another conversation with him where I, you

56:52

know, like I said, he wouldn't

56:54

lie to me. Or he would,

56:57

I'm sure he'd have liked me. But like

56:59

most of the time I can tell.

57:01

But he wouldn't resort to lying, he would

57:04

just say, I'm not gonna tell you.

57:07

And so I could hear him

57:09

driving, I said, where are you? I said, are you

57:11

north of the Golden Gate or south? And

57:14

he said, I'm south. And I said,

57:16

no, you're not. I could

57:18

tell. And he said

57:21

nothing. Why did you bring up? Why did you bring up

57:23

the Golden Gate

57:25

Bridge? Because

57:29

it would have given me some

57:31

kind of idea. Like, his,

57:34

it would have given me an idea of

57:36

direction. I know we've been to Santa Cruz

57:38

before, and there's a lot of young people

57:40

there. And

57:42

I, it would have given me an idea if

57:45

he was headed back up north, I thought.

57:48

Or if he was headed someplace like Santa

57:50

Cruz, or, you know, I, I

57:53

was just trying to get some kind

57:55

of deed on him. You know,

57:57

and that is a giant, you

58:00

know, landmark. And,

58:02

um... I guess the reason I have

58:04

to ask is because when you... when we mentioned

58:06

San Francisco bridges and disappearances, we automatically

58:08

know that that is the most common place for suicides

58:11

in the United States. I just needed to

58:13

clear that up. Was that in your mind? I just wanted

58:15

to make sure... Was that on your mind? Was it not

58:17

on your mind? It

58:20

was not on my mind. That was not on my mind. Okay.

58:23

He used to go into San Francisco, too. He

58:25

used to go into San Francisco. And so... And

58:29

that actually was not on my mind at

58:31

that point. I thought

58:34

he might be in San Francisco or Santa Cruz

58:36

or someplace, you know. He likes beach communities, you

58:38

know. Okay. So

58:40

I know he was a Golden Geek card. He

58:43

used to just hang out there, go to the

58:45

city some time. So that's where he'd edit tattoos.

58:48

So I knew he wasn't telling me

58:50

the truth. So he talked to me later that

58:52

night, and he said he was in a hotel,

58:54

and he was named. And

58:57

he still wouldn't tell me where he was. And

59:00

he... I made a promise

59:02

to call me the next morning. And he...

59:08

And he did. And, you know, like

59:10

he would... If I started

59:14

asking him too many questions, he would, you

59:16

know... And putting pressure on him to come

59:18

home or stop this, you know. And

59:21

he would just hang up on me and block me. And

59:23

so he called me

59:25

the next morning. I tried to reach him,

59:28

and then he checked in and he says, guess

59:30

what? So this was on

59:32

the 26th. So

59:34

he spent the night on the 24th in his

59:36

vehicle. And then he drove all day

59:38

on the... The 24th is when he left, and

59:41

he spent the night in his vehicle. And

59:43

on the 25th is when he was driving, and I

59:46

didn't know where. And apparently he

59:48

stayed at a Motel 6 in Reno. In

59:50

hindsight, we found that out later. Okay. And

59:55

I found that out through a bank... A bank... A

59:58

banking... Okay, we'll get... We'll

1:00:00

get to that, but he was didn't he end

1:00:03

up headed toward the grandparents

1:00:05

his father's parents Yes,

1:00:08

so then he said I'm gonna go to

1:00:10

his grandpa and grandma's and up in Utah

1:00:12

And I'm gonna stay with them for the

1:00:14

summer and he found it really happy and

1:00:16

I was like oh my gosh Yes, okay,

1:00:18

this is great. So then there was all these

1:00:20

phone calls, you know I

1:00:23

called the grandparents and I call aid and

1:00:25

we're talking about it and his situation like

1:00:27

where he's gonna stay They had just brought

1:00:29

a body brand new like fifth wheel and

1:00:32

they were going to They

1:00:34

had it all hooked up and it was gonna be

1:00:36

his own place in their backyard, you

1:00:38

know me in a secure Sense.

1:00:41

Yeah, and it was gonna be like

1:00:43

his own setup What he would what he wanted to

1:00:46

be alone, you know and and to have his own

1:00:48

space And I said you can just

1:00:50

get any kind of barista job there You'll be you'll

1:00:52

be great cuz he had a lot of experience being

1:00:54

a barista So I said that'll be amazing and

1:00:57

so I'm excited. I just want him to

1:00:59

land and I'm you know, I'm My

1:01:02

brain is already going I'm gonna get out of here. I

1:01:04

gotta go see him, you know, and And

1:01:07

I and we talked about therapy too. I said

1:01:09

when you get there I'm gonna set you

1:01:11

up with you know, you can

1:01:13

do this out of state thing with your Kaiser and

1:01:16

He said yes, you know, he agreed Not

1:01:20

really enthusiastically that said yes. Okay, mom, you

1:01:22

know like that and So

1:01:25

that was great until about Five

1:01:28

o'clock cuz he was getting near so now I know

1:01:30

he's on 80 now know where he

1:01:32

is, right? and and

1:01:35

I asked them send me

1:01:37

a picture of the salt flats and he said no I can't

1:01:39

do that and And

1:01:42

then he as it got close to five he calls

1:01:44

me at work and I go outside and he goes

1:01:46

mom What kind of

1:01:48

security is that? I mean like where can anybody

1:01:50

get into that truck, you know? So once again,

1:01:53

he's he's started having gotten there

1:01:55

yet and he started to get paranoid. Yeah,

1:01:57

and I'm like, please don't please

1:02:00

and please, there's a latch just like the

1:02:02

front door of our house. You have the

1:02:04

key. You can lock it and

1:02:06

nobody can get in. And

1:02:09

he was like, I don't

1:02:11

know, mom, I don't know. I said, look, they have

1:02:13

it in us. There's a security sense too, like you're

1:02:15

safe. They're not going to be

1:02:17

able to get in. I said, please don't do

1:02:19

this, Aiden. Please just, and he

1:02:21

says, mom, okay. And he hangs up. And

1:02:26

I'm like, please just drive there, you

1:02:28

know, and please just go, don't do

1:02:31

this, please stop seeing everything

1:02:33

very darkly, please. And

1:02:35

then he hung up and

1:02:37

about, I

1:02:39

don't know how he was like an

1:02:42

hour and a half later, I guess. And

1:02:44

I had been texting, you know, how's it

1:02:46

going, how's it going? And I get

1:02:48

a call from the grandmother and she's

1:02:50

absolutely frantic. And she's saying that Aiden

1:02:54

tried to take his grandfather

1:02:57

to, she said he tried to

1:02:59

kidnap him. And I said, what? And

1:03:02

she didn't really know much

1:03:04

about what was going on because what

1:03:07

happened was, is

1:03:09

that his grandfather's phone was running

1:03:12

out of battery, had very low, you know,

1:03:15

percentage. And when he said

1:03:17

that they, later when I talked to him

1:03:19

later that night, he said that he, Aiden

1:03:21

seemed fine. They were talking and then he

1:03:23

said, yeah, we were talking about joining the

1:03:25

military. And Aiden said he wanted to be in

1:03:27

the military. And I said, what? No.

1:03:32

Aiden would never say. He

1:03:34

goes, well, he seemed fine. And I knew

1:03:36

immediately that Aiden was putting on a show

1:03:39

because he would never say that

1:03:41

he's not a military guy, had zero interest

1:03:43

in going in the military. And

1:03:45

that's just not him. That's just not him. And

1:03:50

so he said,

1:03:53

so he said when

1:03:55

he got in the car, now this was hours later

1:03:57

because what happened was that

1:03:59

he dropped. his grandfather, they

1:04:01

got in an argument, he dropped him off

1:04:03

the side of the highway with no bars

1:04:05

and no anything. And

1:04:10

he couldn't reach his wife to tell

1:04:12

him what happened. They did

1:04:14

have a friend, he was able to reach his

1:04:16

friend for a few seconds and just get out

1:04:18

where he barely was. And I guess this guy

1:04:20

was driving around the highway looking for him and

1:04:23

finally found him. And

1:04:26

so Debbie didn't really know what was going

1:04:28

on because the phone cut out and it

1:04:30

was just messy. Let me

1:04:32

just summarize this for everybody. So he

1:04:35

makes this trip the whole way across

1:04:37

the state of Nevada to Utah. Where

1:04:39

is this in Utah? What

1:04:41

city? Well, they

1:04:44

were going to meet because of a,

1:04:46

I guess they live north of Salt

1:04:48

Lake City. And so they

1:04:50

just went to meet in Salt Lake City.

1:04:53

And they just met at

1:04:55

some random gas station, I guess it's called

1:04:57

the Sugar House.

1:05:01

And I don't know why they

1:05:03

chose that place. Maybe

1:05:05

Mike knew that it was easy

1:05:08

to get to and like, you

1:05:10

know, off this ramp and go

1:05:12

there, you know, like it's right there.

1:05:15

So I think it was just pure convenience.

1:05:19

And it was in the Sugar House area. It was a

1:05:21

speedway. I remember that.

1:05:25

And so when

1:05:28

he got in the car, what

1:05:31

happened was his friend drove him down,

1:05:34

drove his grandfather down. His grandfather

1:05:36

and his brother's friend drove

1:05:38

down to meet him at the gas station. And

1:05:41

Aiden said, why didn't, and Aiden was going to

1:05:43

follow them back. And he said, why don't, because

1:05:45

it's a busy highway. All

1:05:48

the highways there, it's crazy. I've

1:05:50

been on the, and so

1:05:52

he said, I'll follow you back. And he said, he

1:05:55

wanted his grandfather to ride in the car with him. And

1:05:57

his friend said, okay, I'll drive this car.

1:06:00

back and try it together. And

1:06:02

when he said when they got in the

1:06:04

truck, his

1:06:07

face completely changed. He was

1:06:10

not smiling

1:06:14

happy. He just sat there staring

1:06:16

at the steering

1:06:19

wheel. And his grandfather

1:06:21

said, hey, Mom, what are you doing?

1:06:23

We've got to go. And he's

1:06:25

still just out there. And then all of

1:06:27

a sudden he started the car and just

1:06:30

hit the gas and just took off in

1:06:33

some random wherever.

1:06:35

He said he was going six feet in a

1:06:37

25 mile an hour zone. And

1:06:41

he said, hey, you want to go? He started a

1:06:43

conversation and said, hey, do you want to go to

1:06:45

Washington? To his grandfather. And

1:06:47

his grandfather said, uh, I can't. He met

1:06:50

right then. He goes, let's go. Let's go

1:06:52

right now. Let's go to Washington right now.

1:06:54

And his grandfather said, uh, I,

1:06:57

um, I can't go right now. I mean, that sounds

1:06:59

like a fun trip. There's something you can plan out,

1:07:01

but I can't go now. And then,

1:07:04

um, he said that even with looking at his

1:07:06

phone and looking at his window, like, like

1:07:08

looking back and forth between his

1:07:10

driver's side window and his phone

1:07:13

and Mike got not a

1:07:15

good feeling about that and pulled his phone closer.

1:07:17

You know, he felt like he was going to

1:07:19

grab it or something. Um, and so

1:07:21

then he can just pull, he just wheels

1:07:23

off on the side of the highway and said, get out.

1:07:26

Wow. And then just, and

1:07:28

then just took off. So when,

1:07:30

when, um, his

1:07:33

grandmother called me, um, in

1:07:36

his yard, I said, I said, call the police.

1:07:39

Oh my God. And

1:07:41

where did they meet? She didn't know. She didn't know.

1:07:43

She just knew that they had a meeting place. And

1:07:46

so I had to wait until Mike actually

1:07:48

finally got back to the house, um,

1:07:51

and to find out where it was. But in

1:07:53

the meantime, I just, I called it, um, the

1:07:55

Utah highway patrol. And

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I, and I, um, I reported

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like a 5150, they call it something

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else. Okay. Now

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let me ask you this,

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let me jump in here please. When

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Aiden kicked his grandfather, once again to

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be clear this is his father's parents,

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not your parents are correct? Right.

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Okay. So when he kicked his grandfather

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out of the car, did Aiden say

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where he was going? No.

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He just took off. Okay.

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Very good. So he

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kicks off, he just takes off, then you find

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out about this, you call Utah Highway Patrol and

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they're looking for him. And

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I said he's having a mental breakdown. Yeah. And

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that was part one of my

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interview with Amy Klune, mother

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of Aiden Klune. Please

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now find part two on Unfound's

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feed in your podcast

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application. I'm

1:08:57

Ed Dunsell and you've been

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listening to... Unfound.