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Unfound podcast David
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D Wayne Fugate was a 48
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year old from Covington, Ohio He
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had recently lost his wife and
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was a military veteran on February
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29th David's
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brother went over to David's house Expecting
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to find him there David
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wasn't home He
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was never seen again
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I'm at Densil and This
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is Unfound If
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There is one thing you should learn about Disappearances
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after listening to Unfound for
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any amount of time It's
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any person can go missing anywhere
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at any time No
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one is immune No
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location is immune. No
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day is immune Would
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you like some examples? I
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knew that you would Dominique
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Holly Grisham went missing just
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an hour before his own
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birthday party Jason
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Jolkowski famously or infamously
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Went missing during a half-mile
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walk in broad daylight in
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a nice neighborhood in Nebraska
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Trevelyn Evans went missing from
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a little town in Wales
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where no violence occurs Milna
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McQuillan went missing in her car when
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she was just a mile from her
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destination and How
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about all the people who called for
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rides or help? Then
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weren't there when people showed up Shane
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fell Deborah Bowman,
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Kevin Newan, Jesse
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Farber, Molly Miller,
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and Colt Haynes, and
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there could be a few more in that
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category. Well with
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David Fugate, we have another scenario
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that to the public seems impossible,
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yet it happened. Could
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anybody have ever predicted we would
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ever combine a funeral
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and a disappearance? And
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now a summary of the case. This is
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brought to you by my friend Megan Linares'
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website, charlieproject.org.
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David Fugate had a biological brother,
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but his parents ended up adopting
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six, yes six
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siblings for them. With
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a range of oldest to youngest being 30
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years. David
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went to the military and was
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in and out of it for 12 years. What
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finally caused his final exit was
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David had been diagnosed with
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paranoid schizophrenia and
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PTSD, but there
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had been causes and signs of
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both before David ever
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joined. For example, he
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had a girl in high school die in
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his arms after she had
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a seizure while swimming. Still,
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David had been married a couple of times
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and had a son. Sadly,
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his current wife Julie died
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two days before
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David's disappearance. So
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on February 29th, 2020,
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preparations for Julie's funeral were
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underway with David's mother helping
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him. She called him
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at 7 a.m. to make plans for
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that day. David sounded
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himself and the belief was
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he was at home. However,
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when David's brother Darryl showed up at
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the house. at approximately 10 a.m.
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David wasn't there despite his
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wife's car which David had
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been driving being in the
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garage. David's wedding
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ring was on a bedroom dresser and his
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phone was on the arm
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of a chair on the back porch. He
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was never seen again. Later
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the next door neighbor would
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say that not long before Daryl got
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there this neighbor had to go
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over and turn the volume down
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on the radio on David's porch. It
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was that loud. He did
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not see David. In
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addition, Daryl determined that many
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of David's clothes were
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missing. All of us
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have had deaths in our families. The
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experience is traumatic, the
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worst. Yet my
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perception is very few people end
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up disappearing due to the emotions
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of losing a partner. Contemplate
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why this is while
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also trying to answer these three
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questions during the interview.
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Number one, when people with
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mental health issues run off they
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don't usually take their clothes do
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they? Number two, if
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David left on foot why
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didn't a security camera on that
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street capture him?
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And number three, does
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this disappearance start and end
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with a disagreement over David's
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truck? David's
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family isn't sure what to think
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about what happened that day. The
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guest for this episode is David's
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brother, Daryl Fugate.
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the Brother. of David
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Fugate, Daryl Fugate. Daryl,
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welcome to Unfound. Thank
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you. I appreciate it. You're
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very welcome. Let's just start
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here. Just give, of course,
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being that you are David's brother, just
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give an overall view of your
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family, the Fugates, growing up all
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together, how many kids are there,
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etc. Why don't we start there? Just,
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what do everyone want to say? Well,
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my mom and dad raised me in
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my, the brother. they're missing I
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mean more biological but then
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my mom and dad adopted six
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other kids throughout the years like
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30 years. Oh my goodness. They
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were parents at the beginning and
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they raised all of
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us pretty much the same and you
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know we all grew up and everyone's
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out of this house now and
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on their own. Wow adopted
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six. Yes.
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They must be very giving people their
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own. Yes very very giving.
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My mom she passed away
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last year June of last
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year and we really missed
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her a lot and she
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um every day or not
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every day but every week she would ask me
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if I knew anything about David anything's
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been hurt or anything
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and I said no mom
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nothing's been said. These
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six kids what are the ages
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are you and you and David would be
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the oldest these all these kids were younger
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than you two? Yes
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I'm the oldest I'm 25.
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My brother that's missing David is
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53 and all the other kids
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are like
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span between I'm
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thinking around 45
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to 22. Wow
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that is amazing and you do you all
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like keep in contact with each other and
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I mean I just got a I was
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adopted so maybe it's more fascinating to me
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than most people. You
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keep all in contact with each other
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and everything. Yes
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I actually rented my one brother
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right next to me I rented
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him the youngest one mm-hmm and
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I read to him and we talked every now and
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then and then I got a brother who lives in
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Texas got a brother who lives in California. got
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a brother lives in West
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Virginia and girls
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live here once
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in Troy and once
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in Kenra. Wow
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that is amazing man
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that is amazing Darrow and everybody should know
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I'm just hearing about this now I'm not
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faking my amazement this is something I know
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you in our prior conversation
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Darrow talked about having some other
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siblings besides David but I didn't know there were six of
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them and they were all I
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guess adopted so that
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is really amazing good for you good
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for your parents fantastic story and very
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interesting okay let's talk about
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let's move of course the reason we're here
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unfortunately because the David is missing let's just
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talk a little bit about David talk about
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maybe growing up within of course got all
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these other kids too but you
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know what was David into personality
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interest you know what
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he was into sports and the music
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what was David's interest in personality oh
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he was a he was he
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loved his four truck he
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loved his four truck he
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had a F-150
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yeah I think four truck
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and he loved it he
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leased it and stuff and
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he also loved football
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was it Indiana
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Colts he loved
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it yeah yeah it
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was in Indianapolis Colts and
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pretty much uh he'd
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like to watch football love
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to watch NASCAR races mm-hmm
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and I'm not we was on NASCAR
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but I know he'd like to watch
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a lot of him and his wife
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okay yeah what about it what about
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growing up with that maybe going being that you're
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just two years older than going back to high
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school or whatever what do you remember back then
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Well, I remember he
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was great under me. We
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both graduated from this. He
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graduated, we both graduated from JVS.
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It's like a, I graduated like
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machine trades and he graduated
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from electronics.
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And we both graduated from JVS. We
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wanted to make a career out of it. He never
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made a career out of that and I never made
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a career out of my machine
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trades. But I
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became a truck driver and then he
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went into the Army for, you
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know, four years and then he
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got out, wanted to make
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the career out of something, but he ended up
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going back in like two other times. So
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he had years, 12 years
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in the Army as a
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communications. I
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think he got out as a E6, or E5.
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Okay. All right,
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so he went into the Army kind
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of late teens, early twenties, like most
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people do like in that time. Yeah.
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Okay. Do you remember maybe just as
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an example, do you remember where he was stationed?
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Did he stay mostly in the United States or
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did, was he overseas? What
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did he do? Do you remember? He
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started out in Texas and
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he spent a little bit of time in Texas. Then he
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went to Germany. Then he went
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to, I believe it's North Korea.
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I don't know what sites, I
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know he was there for a while, like two or three
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years in Korea. In
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South Korea. Surely not in North, surely not in
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North Korea. I don't know if
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any Americans are allowed there these days, but
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maybe in South Korea? Yes. Okay.
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All right, coincidentally, my dad was stationed
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there way back in the 1950s. Okay.
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Would you say that surprised you, maybe him
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going into the military or not? I
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was in the Army National Guard
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and he seen me in my uniform
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and that did it for him. He wanted to be in
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the military. I mean,
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I went to Georgia for Benning
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and then he ended up going to Texas for his
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basic training. But yeah, soon as
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he seen me graduate and how billed
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I was and how stout I was, it
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was like that did it for him. He
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wanted to look that great. That's
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what he wanted to do. Yeah.
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Okay. That's interesting. Okay. And
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as far as relationships, you of course
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already talked about that
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he was married and we're going to
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get into the death
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of his wife, which happened right around the time that
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he went missing. But do you remember how they met?
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You know, was it they grew up together? Did he
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run into her while he was stationed somewhere in the
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Army? What do you know about that? How did they
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meet? Actually,
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we grew up with her
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and her brother, Jason,
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and we grew up
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with them. They live probably
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about a block away from us throughout
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the childhood. Now
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Dave really wasn't interested in her
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back then. He
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went to two marriages. And
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then they end up after he
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was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and
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PTSD in the military and he got
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out, they got together
15:32
and then got married. And I don't
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think he was married a good 12 years
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or so. Okay. Before she
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died and he disappeared? Yes.
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Okay. Do you even have
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any kids? Yes. He
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has a son in Georgia.
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He does. Bradley.
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And he had a stepson.
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Oh shoot. I can't remember his name.
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He... That's
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fine. Was
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he close? I'll just ask you, was he...
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You know, that's fine. Was he close with
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him? Or did they keep in contact? Or
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anything like that? Do you know? Bradley
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moved to Georgia so... His mom took
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him to Georgia so they wasn't very,
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very close. Even
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after he grew up. He
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did move back for a little bit, but then he
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moved right back to Georgia. He
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stayed with Dave and Julie for a little bit,
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but then he missed Georgia so he moved back.
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Okay. And... Alright.
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And how old would you say these kids are
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roughly? Once again, if you didn't... He wasn't around
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them too much maybe. You haven't been around them
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too much either, but just roughly, how old do
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you think these kids are? Maybe
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into their 30s now? Something like that?
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Yeah, Dave had him 17. Wow.
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So he would be, what, 45?
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About 35 now. Man, he
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had him young, Darrell. 17
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years old. Yeah.
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And he had a... Now,
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the other kid that was Julie's,
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you know, was Julie's biological
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kid. His
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dad was out of the picture for the
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longest time and never did get back in
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the picture. And then he... Dave kind of...
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Not really adopting paperwork
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or anything, but he was his dad
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and he treated him just like he
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was any other kid that he would
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ever have. And it really
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destroyed him when he got killed in
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a car accident when he was 16,
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out on 48. He
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accidentally... You know, being young, he
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wasn't paying attention, pulled out on
17:51
somebody, and it killed him instantly.
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So that kind
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of hurt Dave too, and Julie. Of
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course, of course. They were
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all big ink at the time and had to
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rush back. Totally destroyed
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both of them. I'm sure. Yeah,
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a lot of kids. Dangerous
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roads out there for everybody, but it
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does mean for younger people, it's just
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a little more dangerous.
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How about you and he as adults?
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How much were you seeing him? How much, did
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you live close to him? I
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know that you're a truck driver. I don't know how long you've
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been doing that, but did you have a lot of
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times to interact with him over
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the years, just to say like in the 2000s? Did
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you see a lot of each other? Yes,
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well, being a truck driver and
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then I'd call him up every
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now and then, wanna hang out
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or we could have supper together
18:53
or go out to have a drink or
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something. We did that every now and then.
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But yeah, most of
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the time, he pretty
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much stayed to himself a little bit, but
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then he didn't wanna get out and hang
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out with me and stuff. We would go
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up to Eagles and hang out with Julie's
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mom and dad. Me
19:16
and Julie, me and him would also hang out at
19:19
different places and stuff. How
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often, just to give the
19:26
listeners an idea, how
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often would you say that you were seeing him
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maybe in the preceding five years before he went
19:32
missing? How often would you see him once a
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week, once a month? How often do you think?
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Well, at the end there,
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when Julie was in the hospital
19:42
and everything, I was saving him
19:44
every single day because I
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moved in to help him out with rent because
19:49
he had medical bills that he had
19:51
to pay for and stuff on her. And
19:53
so I moved, it was about,
19:56
I moved in probably three weeks prior. So
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in that three. weeks we see her every
20:01
day but before that we've
20:03
seized her once a week. Okay.
20:06
Pretty much. All right. Very good.
20:08
So move on to this. You've kind of already mentioned
20:11
it. We have to talk about it
20:14
and that is David's mental
20:16
health. It
20:19
sounds to me the impression that I've
20:21
gotten is that you know
20:24
this is something that he had struggled with for
20:26
a long time and do you remember the first
20:28
time you maybe thought or maybe even David even
20:30
told you you know I'm having some mental
20:33
health issues and you know what do you
20:35
remember about that first time? Well
20:39
the very first time I remember
20:41
him having some issues and we
20:43
didn't really pinpoint it at that
20:45
time but he
20:48
stopped in my
20:51
place and I looked outside and said
20:53
where's your car at? And he
20:55
said oh it ran out of gas up
20:57
a joy land. Joy land is no longer
21:00
there anymore but it's
21:02
the restaurant and he said he came
21:04
in and he said yeah I ran
21:06
out of gas up there. Hey could
21:08
you run me up to
21:11
get some gas? And
21:14
then I said sure
21:16
let me let me get dressed and stuff so
21:19
when I came back out I
21:21
took him up
21:24
there. I was getting ready to
21:26
take him to gas station and she said oh well
21:28
why do we need gas? I said because
21:30
you told me you need
21:32
a gas for your your car it ran out
21:35
of gas and then
21:37
he kind of blew it off and he said no just
21:39
drop me off of my car and I'll get it I'm
21:41
good and so I
21:43
dropped him off of his car and
21:46
I was just sitting there talking
21:48
to him for a little bit in his car and
21:51
said what happened to your your
21:53
your dash or not your dash but
21:55
your console and it had
21:57
a big hole big hole out of it. And
22:02
he said, oh, I was trying
22:04
to get something that I couldn't get to. So I
22:06
cut it open and
22:08
I thought that was really weird. I
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cut your console like that with a
22:13
big hole in it. Yeah. And
22:16
with little things like that, that
22:18
started coming up, that, you
22:20
know, he, he was very paranoid. He
22:22
actually got fired from a place, because
22:25
he thought they was dousing with gasoline to try
22:28
and save him on fire. Um,
22:30
different things like that, you know. Yeah.
22:35
Maybe I should ask you, when did this first,
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this first incident, when he said he needed a
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gas, but I guess he really didn't, uh, how
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long ago was that? I mean, was that like
22:43
in like 2000 or how
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long back ago, just roughly
22:47
a year, 1990s, uh,
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what, what does the time
22:53
strike you? Yeah. So,
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uh, he got out, uh, a total about
22:58
13, 14 years, 12, 12 years in,
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but you
23:04
know, off and on, so he
23:06
went in and his 20. So it'd be when
23:09
he was in the, so it'd be about, I'm
23:11
thinking 20 years ago. All right. 20 years
23:13
ago, early 2000s. Let's, we're just going
23:15
to pick out a year just roughly to put this in
23:18
a time and roughly allowed 2004 then roughly. Yeah.
23:23
We very well could be earlier, a little later, but
23:25
we'll just, just to give everybody an
23:27
idea how long this had been going on. Um,
23:30
did David ever get it? He did it
23:32
at some point. Did David realize something was
23:35
going on and got help or
23:37
was this something, you know, of course we know a
23:39
lot of people who have mental health issues don't
23:42
think that you have any problems. What
23:44
was David's situation? Okay.
23:47
So he, he got out of the military. That
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was right. Right after he got out
23:51
of the military. So he came home
23:53
and was living with my mom and then, you
23:55
know, he would come out and hang out with
23:57
me and stuff, but this was with him. year
24:00
after he got out while mom realized something
24:02
was wrong and he told her that they
24:04
kicked him out for uh, uh,
24:07
accusing the sergeant or
24:10
something or well, anyway, she
24:12
went in and
24:14
started checking into it, doing his little
24:16
investigation and stuff and come to
24:18
find out that they kicked him out because
24:20
he tried to deck a sergeant. Well,
24:24
they did a diagnosis on him
24:27
right before he got out and
24:29
they posted that he was paranoid,
24:31
schizophrenic in the thing. So when
24:33
the military let him go, they
24:36
didn't, they just kicked him out and thought
24:38
that, you know, it's not our problem. So
24:41
anyways, mom did an investigation and then
24:43
end up fighting for
24:45
him to get his, uh, disability,
24:48
you know, military disability because, you
24:50
know, it wasn't right that they kicked him out. So
24:53
she, uh, she fought for him and he ended
24:55
up getting 100% disability and 100%
24:58
uh, social security
25:01
disability too. So
25:03
that's what he was living on
25:05
throughout the years, since 20 years
25:07
ago. So
25:11
was he taking Medicaid? You did say
25:13
PTSD, so did something happen to him?
25:15
I mean, we know of course that,
25:18
uh, mental health, uh, can be very
25:20
genetic, but PTSD of course is
25:22
usually brought on some by some sort of
25:25
trauma that somebody experienced. Is it
25:27
like that or, or, or what?
25:30
I know you're not a medical professional, but the best you
25:32
can tell. Uh,
25:36
well, to be honest,
25:38
I don't know what would brought
25:40
the PTSD on. Um,
25:43
we know that he had any,
25:45
uh, oh, well there was something
25:47
that happened when he was a
25:49
kid as a teenager. A
25:52
girl died in his arms.
25:54
So that could have been part of
25:56
it, but it didn't show up until after he
25:58
was way in the military. So I
26:01
don't know if that would, you know,
26:03
that many years later would have
26:05
done that. Yeah, it really, he
26:08
talked about that a little bit about
26:11
he, it really hurt him because it
26:13
was one of his best friends. It was a girl
26:15
that he was kind of seeing and
26:18
stuff. So how did, what, what
26:20
I got to ask if you're, what happened to
26:22
her? Did she die of a disease or did
26:24
she, what happened to her? She,
26:28
they was over there swimming at
26:30
one of his friend's house. And
26:33
she, she had a
26:35
seizure underneath the water and
26:38
drowned. And so
26:40
that really bad, you
26:43
know, it was, it was girl, I knew the
26:45
girl he knew, you know, it
26:47
was really a
26:50
bad situation. You know, he didn't,
26:53
you know, it was just something that happened
26:55
that he ended up pulling her out and
26:57
she died in his arms. Wow.
27:02
Once again, this is something that Darryl
27:04
and I had not talked about before. Of course,
27:06
as it can be, that could have been very
27:08
traumatic. Of course. Okay. And sometimes
27:10
those things do take a while maybe
27:13
to set in. So maybe that
27:15
what you're saying here, you know, just maybe didn't
27:17
affect them right at the time is certainly something
27:20
that I'm open to. All right.
27:22
So going back to the
27:25
paranoid schizophrenia, so he was diagnosed
27:27
with that. Did, did
27:30
David acknowledge this? Did he accept
27:33
that he had it? Did he have to take medication
27:35
for it? Do you realize that, you know, this is
27:37
something I'm going to have to manage for the rest
27:39
of my life? How do you think he looked
27:42
at that diagnosis? Well,
27:45
he, he knew that there
27:48
was something wrong, but
27:50
he also kind
27:52
of felt like that he didn't really need
27:54
the medication, but then he
27:56
would, he would get a shot
27:58
every once a month. or every two
28:00
months from the military, you know, the Veterans
28:03
Administration in Dayton, Ohio, he
28:05
would go down there and get
28:07
the shot every month. Now, before he
28:09
would get the shot, he would be
28:11
kind of jittery, like the
28:14
medication was wearing off. So
28:17
he would go down there and get the shot,
28:19
you know, and talk to the counselor and
28:21
stuff like that, you know, to
28:23
see if he needed his doses up, you
28:26
know, up or lower or anything like
28:28
that. So he was
28:30
getting, he did get the,
28:32
you know, the shots from the VA and
28:35
was on both patients. Okay.
28:39
Anybody that would, if he was on
28:41
his medication and if anybody, a stranger
28:43
were to meet him, would they know
28:45
that something was going on? Or
28:47
did he, or did he seem like a
28:49
person who had no mental health
28:51
issues like that? He
28:54
acted like a person who didn't have no
28:56
mental health issues. Okay. Very
28:59
good. Now you did say
29:01
he was getting some benefits from
29:03
the military and for disability and
29:05
everything. So because of this, was
29:07
he not able to work or
29:09
what was he doing for employment,
29:12
like within the last 10 years before he went missing?
29:14
What was he doing? He
29:18
was, he didn't work,
29:20
but the VA was telling him
29:23
about, you know, you can volunteer,
29:25
you know, you
29:27
can go, he volunteered a little bit, but he
29:29
didn't volunteer a lot, you know, as
29:33
far as being a
29:35
disabled vet, you know,
29:37
they, they encouraged disabled
29:39
vets to give
29:41
their time to the VA
29:44
or any other organization. Sure.
29:46
Yeah. Right. And how do you, how
29:48
do you think his wife was his wife, like
29:51
keeping up on him saying, Hey, you know,
29:53
David, you got to get your shots and everything.
29:55
Let me see. Was she keeping up with that
29:57
with him, making sure he was following the protocol?
30:02
Yes she was. She was making sure and he
30:04
was also on pills too. I forgot about that.
30:07
He was on pills they took to
30:10
keep it kind of leveled out and
30:12
he would get to the VA. So I
30:15
don't know how many medications he was
30:17
on as far as taking the pills
30:19
every day, but yeah she would make sure
30:21
that she would lay his pills out and
30:23
he would take them every day. Alright, maybe
30:25
I should ask, did she have a
30:28
job? Was she working? No
30:30
she wasn't. She did have a job
30:33
probably three years before that, before
30:35
she passed. Yeah. But it was
30:37
up at the Eagles and she
30:39
was like a cook that helped
30:41
out and stuff and she she
30:44
ended up giving it up because she had
30:46
a weight
30:48
loss thing that she went through
30:51
and she had lost
30:53
a lot of weight. You know, it was
30:55
getting to her before she got the weight
30:57
loss thing done to her and
31:00
it was getting too old to stay in for that amount
31:03
of time because she was a pretty
31:05
big lady. Okay, alright
31:08
so she had her own health issues. Of course we know
31:10
that we're going to get into her death here
31:12
in a moment, but so she
31:15
was having her own health issues. Of
31:17
course David's having his,
31:19
you know, of course as long as he stayed
31:21
on his medication he was fine, but she was
31:23
struggling with some things as well. Yes.
31:28
Maybe going back to David's mental health just
31:31
for one more moment. You did
31:33
tell me this story about at some point he
31:36
went to Nashville and like out of
31:38
nowhere, you know, what exactly happened and
31:40
what do you remember about this story?
31:42
My understanding is this was like maybe
31:45
20 years before he went missing or maybe more,
31:47
but he went to Nashville said he wanted to
31:49
be in country music but then he called your
31:51
father to come pick him up. What was that
31:53
story? It
31:57
was before he got diagnosed. It
31:59
was It was in between, I believe it
32:01
was in between when he got out of
32:03
military, but then he went back in eventually.
32:06
I'm not sure how in between that. So it was good
32:09
25, 30 years ago. Yeah.
32:15
Anyways, he went to,
32:18
you know, that was before he was on
32:20
medication and before anything. He just thought he
32:22
wanted to be a country music singer. He
32:25
thought he'd head down Nashville, didn't have no
32:27
money, uh, pretty much
32:29
called mom and dad up. Uh,
32:32
he didn't have no money to get home. They
32:34
went down and got him somehow. I'm not
32:36
sure if he went there in a bus
32:39
or how he got to there. I'm pretty
32:41
sure he probably went on a bus. He
32:43
just, you know, paid for the
32:45
ticket and then he got
32:47
down there and realized that he was stuck,
32:50
you know, so they, uh, it eventually went
32:52
down and got him and brought
32:55
him back to Ohio. Okay.
32:58
And he said, he did say he wanted to go
33:00
to Nashville to be a country music star or something. Did he say
33:02
he really said that? Yes.
33:04
He really said. All right.
33:07
I gotta ask, did he have any music background?
33:11
Uh, yes, he did. Yeah. Okay. Um,
33:15
uh, he had a, uh, actual, we call
33:17
that tutor or someone that with helping
33:20
with his notes and stuff when he
33:22
was in church, he's good. We used
33:24
to get church a lot. Uh, we're
33:26
our whole family's Pentecostal, uh, through my
33:28
mom and, uh, we,
33:31
he would, he was seeing view all the
33:33
way into different, uh, songs. And
33:36
he sounded really good. Um, you
33:38
know, when he
33:40
was around teenager years and
33:42
stuff, and, uh,
33:44
he really liked singing, but,
33:47
um, you know, it
33:49
was just one of the things that
33:51
he, he loved to do. Uh,
33:54
you know, me, I couldn't get
33:56
up in front of everybody at church or
33:58
nothing like that, but he. He
34:00
loved being up there and
34:04
singing and doing different stuff.
34:06
We were both in the choir.
34:08
No, I was in the choir
34:10
too. I didn't mind getting in
34:12
front of everybody when there were
34:15
people around that I was singing
34:17
with. He liked singing by
34:19
himself up there or
34:22
with the choir in church.
34:27
Maybe it's not totally crazy if he's
34:29
into music and went down there, but somehow he
34:31
gets down there and then has to get picked
34:33
up. Let's
34:36
move on to this. One more thing. We're just going
34:39
to talk about this guy in
34:41
general. We're not going to say his last
34:43
name. Who is Joe? He's going to come
34:45
up here a little later. How
34:48
did Joe and David know each
34:50
other? They
34:53
knew each other from high school. Back
34:59
then, Dave and
35:01
him were pretty much in the
35:03
marijuana a lot in school and
35:05
at the school. They grew up together.
35:09
I don't know the
35:11
protectors. I've never
35:13
done marijuana. Dave
35:20
and Joe and a lot of
35:22
other kids were into that in
35:24
high school. I
35:26
don't know if that would have anything to do with
35:29
mental health. But
35:32
he knew Joe. They
35:34
went to high school together and they were friends all those
35:36
years. He
35:40
lived close to where David and his
35:42
wife ended up living? Yes,
35:46
within a couple of miles from
35:48
each other. What's going
35:50
to come up later is
35:52
Joe had David's truck. Do
35:54
you know the circumstances under
35:57
which Joe was driving David's truck?
36:00
That would the reason was did. Did
36:02
you. Know anything about that. It Does
36:04
David ever tell you why Joe has. His. Truck.
36:09
Truck was down our know
36:11
what happened to this struck
36:14
but he never got. Another
36:16
truck or gotten their vehicles and
36:19
then day bomb. Ah,
36:21
They close to him. But. He
36:23
had it for so long that he
36:25
went to him and said I'm on
36:27
my truck back I'd gone to solve
36:29
them. As. He had ridiculous
36:31
as those conversations on his phone
36:34
where Joe got mad at him
36:36
about. Ah, because day one,
36:38
the struck back. And
36:40
he was dry. Davis drive and Julie's
36:42
car. You know, and
36:44
stuff. And so he was on
36:47
the trot. Was
36:49
when we finally. Got.
36:52
Back from Joe after they disappeared
36:54
as it was just traps it
36:57
was. Ah, there was a lot
36:59
of them. Ah, I. Mean it was as.
37:01
Messy. As. Are
37:04
They would never never had his
37:06
truck like that. You. Know and
37:08
that was part of the to this that
37:10
they was mad because he is press his
37:13
truck inside the now. And. We'll
37:15
muddle work. He was
37:17
murdered with the he did stealthy said
37:20
than done. Yes I can borrow someone's
37:22
vehicle and and tear up like. A
37:25
reduction in an hour set. Up
37:28
my been get another vehicle and he
37:31
has a truck back to burn Joe
37:33
when that way seems like he's expected.
37:35
Daves do what he wanted. Me. No
37:39
time. Like over overbearing, over and.
37:42
You. Can. I
37:45
say that so Joe had. Days.
37:48
Tracking with again that's going to
37:50
become. Relevant. Ah
37:52
a lonely. Nights. In
37:54
that situation, That. dave
37:56
and his wife and living together sees
37:59
also having some He's having some
38:01
struggling with some mental issues, although as long
38:03
as he's on his medication, he's fine. But
38:05
she's having some physical health issues and
38:10
lost some weight. Maybe that was
38:12
bad for her. And
38:15
so they're living there though in
38:17
Covington, Ohio. And
38:20
I guess some of your family lived in
38:22
the area as well, including you, Darrell? Yes. Yes,
38:26
my mom and dad lived in Pleasant
38:28
Hill. And
38:31
then I lived with
38:33
my brother. I moved in two weeks. I had
38:35
lived with mom and dad, and then Dave asked
38:37
me if I would be willing to help him. And
38:39
I said, sure, I have no problem with that. So
38:42
I moved in probably two or three
38:44
weeks prior to Dolly Masson. And
38:49
then I think
38:51
that's about it. Regarding
38:54
her death, and we
38:56
have to remember that the accepted disappearance
38:58
date coincidentally is February 29th, so the
39:01
release day of 2020. But
39:04
she died just a couple of days before that.
39:06
So like the 26th or 27th, something like that.
39:10
Yes, she did. Okay. On
39:13
a Thursday. Excuse me? Thursday.
39:15
It was a Thursday. On a Thursday,
39:17
yes. Okay. So was something
39:19
that was sudden? I
39:21
mean, it sounds like she had some health issues. Was
39:23
this something that was terminal? Or
39:26
was everybody expecting her to live for another
39:28
20 years and it was sudden?
39:30
Or was it something that was expected?
39:34
She had some terminal disease. Once again, I
39:36
don't want to get too deep into it. But
39:38
I just want to give an idea of what
39:41
everybody's attitude was toward her death or
39:43
before she died. Yeah. Yeah,
39:46
she, you know, obviously
39:48
she had some health issues, sugar
39:50
diabetes and different stuff. But
39:55
when she had the weight loss surgery
39:57
and then she had lost all that
39:59
weight. She went in for to
40:02
clip her underneath her arms because
40:04
she had a lot of skin hanging
40:07
Watch the surgery and Got
40:10
an infection in it and that's
40:12
what started all her health issues
40:16
it seemed like it really got
40:18
infected and then She
40:21
went into hospital And
40:23
then I believe ever
40:26
my whole family believes that it was a start
40:29
of the COVID At that time
40:31
because she kept saying she couldn't she
40:33
couldn't taste her food She
40:36
was she didn't feel like eating Just
40:39
different all they put her on ventilator Because
40:42
she was having breathing issues a
40:44
lot of other things too that came out
40:47
of the code with later on so
40:50
and then They did
40:52
Transporter to like two or three different hospitals
40:55
to try to figure out What
40:57
was going on? Maybe another hospital me.
40:59
Maybe they could figure it out and
41:02
then they transported her into a What
41:07
do you call it Not
41:11
a hospital but Old
41:14
folks home or a hospital Not
41:19
very hospice, but a Elderly
41:23
not elderly what I'm gonna try to think
41:25
the Some
41:28
sort of home where they thought that she
41:30
was going to recover or not Yeah,
41:34
they was trying to Make
41:37
you know make it comfortable and
41:39
everything and then maybe they you
41:41
know A long-term facility where they
41:43
could keep more of an eye
41:45
on her and stuff or or
41:47
something like that. Okay And
41:51
but then she died Yes,
41:54
okay Of course
41:57
I had I know this is very obvious question, but I have
41:59
to ask it any Anyway, how did
42:01
that affect David? He
42:05
was really, really
42:07
depressed and really quiet about, the
42:11
night before he disappeared,
42:15
I just tapped him on his knee and
42:18
said, it'll be all right, buddy, we'll get
42:20
through this. And he was really
42:22
quiet, he never responded, never really. And
42:24
then he said he was gonna go, Joe's gonna spend the night
42:27
and that's the last time I
42:29
spoke to him, is because he was
42:32
really quiet and everything that night. All
42:34
right, so just so we understand the
42:37
setup, so she's in this home of
42:39
some type, but
42:41
you're living with him at his
42:44
place, you're with him, you know, maybe you moved
42:46
in maybe to help out or something, but you
42:48
were actually under the roof, the same roof as
42:50
he was, like the
42:52
day before his disappearance. Yes.
42:55
Okay. Yes. And
42:57
then he decided just out of nowhere, that
42:59
he was gonna go over to Joe's. Yes.
43:03
All right, did that surprise you? No,
43:08
he would go over and out
43:10
and in and spend the night and
43:14
stuff, didn't really surprise
43:16
me a lot at all, because he always
43:19
spent a lot of time with Joe for some reason. Okay,
43:23
so he's there with you, no, you know, so we
43:26
have to think of it this way, he's
43:28
there with you, you're his brother,
43:30
but then in this time, and of course the
43:32
funeral hasn't even happened yet, he wants to go
43:34
over and hang out with Joe. Yes.
43:38
Okay. Where Joe, did
43:40
Joe know David's wife very well?
43:45
Yeah, he
43:48
knew her well, but she did, obviously
43:50
she did not like him, and
43:53
there's a lot of people that don't like Joe. Okay.
43:58
So, you know, they always... Had her
44:00
issues because she was trying to boss Dave around
44:02
or he was trying to boss Dave around
44:05
and different things and stuff And she
44:07
would step in and they'd get in
44:10
arguments and everything like that So
44:13
after he left and went to judge, what did you do? I
44:20
Stayed at my mom. I went out to my
44:22
mom's and stayed the night there and I
44:25
think I walked in at 9 30 or
44:28
10 in the morning at his apartment you
44:31
know, he gave me a key to get in and I had
44:33
given money for rent and stuff because it
44:36
was close to the end of the month and
44:40
I just came home and I thought it was
44:42
really weird that he wasn't there yet Okay,
44:45
let me let me ask you just a couple
44:47
of things being that she died who was making
44:49
who was in charge of making the Funeral arrangement
44:51
she died you like you said on a Thursday
44:53
Maybe the check and see what
44:55
the actual date would have been for Thursday at the end of
44:57
February of 2020 but
45:01
Who was making the funeral arrangements who was calling
45:03
up? You know
45:05
the funeral home and doing all of that My
45:10
mom and Dave went over Friday
45:13
Friday at some point at some time
45:16
and they both Walked through the you
45:18
know that with the funeral director everything
45:21
that needed Bought
45:23
and everything. She didn't have no life
45:25
insurance. So he was struggling with that They
45:29
didn't have their life insurance. So He
45:32
was doing his best to try to figure
45:34
out how to if you have to go
45:36
get a loan and this and that everything
45:39
All right on that. All right So and
45:41
when was I guess the funeral did end
45:43
up happening correct even though of course he
45:45
went missing before so unique
45:49
So did the new funeral happen like March 2nd
45:51
March 3rd or it did happen
45:53
there wasn't like a viewing Yes
46:00
much the funeral director got everything set up.
46:02
It was supposed to happen, I think it
46:04
was either Monday or Tuesday that happened.
46:08
Everything was all set up as
46:10
a Friday. I don't know the
46:13
real specifics of about
46:15
the money issue, but when we
46:18
all showed up for the viewing and stuff, Julie's
46:22
dad ended up paying the rest of
46:24
the money to the funeral
46:26
director to cover all the costs.
46:28
My sister helped out with opening
46:30
and closing of the grave. So
46:34
that was all covered and
46:36
Dave was really
46:39
appreciative of both of them helping out.
46:44
So I think most of everything
46:46
was pretty much covered. I'm
46:49
not sure of all the specifics of
46:51
if Dave went
46:53
missing and then did he
46:55
talk to Julie's dad about paying
46:57
the rest or I don't
46:59
know the specifics on that. Okay, that's fine.
47:03
Alright, so but Dave and
47:05
your mother went down, they made
47:07
these arrangements, but he disappears
47:10
before this funeral ever happened. So I have to
47:12
ask, we're going to get into the actual day,
47:14
but let's just jump ahead a little bit.
47:17
The funeral happens, of course, Dave's not
47:20
there. What was everybody saying at that
47:22
point? There
47:26
were some comments like how can
47:29
he just walk off
47:32
with this all going
47:34
on and stuff. And my family
47:36
and her family was upset. My
47:40
family wasn't really, we was worried
47:43
that what happened?
47:45
We don't know. It was like
47:47
we was going through a funeral and
47:49
then Dave missing at the same time.
47:52
It was overwhelming. We loved her. But
48:00
then it overwhelmed
48:03
like why did he
48:05
do this or what happened? You
48:07
know, it
48:10
was just overwhelming on time
48:12
of we was all wanting
48:15
to grieve
48:17
over her, but then we was
48:19
also wondering what happened to him.
48:22
You know, of course. Okay,
48:25
so we'll probably or maybe probably we're probably going
48:27
to come back to that. So let's
48:29
just wanted to maybe have to ask that
48:31
question right now because a lot of people
48:34
are probably on their minds that you
48:36
guys missing and then the funeral happens. Well,
48:38
what was the reaction? Everybody they're going to
48:40
the funeral for Dave's wife and Dave
48:43
isn't there. I maybe I should
48:45
ask you this. I won't get to
48:48
that later. That's fine. Let's go to
48:50
that. So he decides to go
48:52
to Joe's. You're there when he does so.
48:54
You go over to your mother's and
48:57
then the next morning my understanding once again
48:59
from what you've told me in a prior
49:01
conversation is that your mother called Dave.
49:04
And what was the conversation? Most
49:09
of the conversation that she relate to
49:11
me, I don't know everything that was
49:13
said, but the
49:16
conversation mostly based
49:18
on demand demand.
49:22
Oh, well, my sister, her helping him out
49:24
with the opening and closing of
49:26
the burial site. You know,
49:29
he was really appreciative that she could
49:31
help him out on that. And
49:34
that's pretty much what they discussed
49:36
is what I was told. Okay.
49:39
And during that call, so he Dave had
49:42
a cell phone, right? She called him on
49:44
his cell phone. Yes.
49:48
Okay. During this conversation,
49:51
did Dave say or did your mother get
49:54
an impression on where he was when this
49:56
phone call occurred? Yes,
49:59
that he was. He was at home, he
50:01
had just walked in the door about 7, 7.30 and he was at
50:03
home is what he told
50:05
her. Ok,
50:09
so he says he's at home, the
50:11
place that he was just the day before, so
50:13
presumably he goes to Joe's,
50:16
maybe stays overnight, maybe just is there till 2 or
50:18
3 in the morning or something. But
50:20
it's 7, 7.30, 8 o'clock
50:23
that morning, he's back at his
50:25
home, the place where you were living with him
50:27
for the last couple of weeks. Yes.
50:31
Ok, mother say how, what
50:33
his disposition was, how he
50:35
sounded, what does she remember? She
50:39
said he sounded upbeat in every
50:42
setting due to the circumstances
50:44
that he didn't sound like he was depressed
50:46
or anything like that at that time. Ok.
50:50
So the next thing that occurs is
50:53
that you told me that
50:55
the neighbor had to
50:57
go over and shut
51:00
off a loud radio, I guess that
51:02
was on the back porch or something,
51:05
of course, you're living there now, so
51:07
you know the premise is very well.
51:10
Of course, lived there for a while back then.
51:13
When did you find out first about this
51:16
neighbor's story? When did this first come up?
51:21
After I called my mom
51:23
to wonder if he was over there, and
51:27
she said no, but I called Joe, and
51:29
so she called Joe, and
51:31
then Joe said that he wasn't with
51:34
him either. And then, you know, Joe
51:36
got ahold of this other guy, and
51:38
they both came over about, I don't know,
51:41
about an hour later. And then
51:43
we all was
51:45
screaming on, you know,
51:48
this guy went out back, found his cell
51:50
phone on the armrest of the chair.
51:53
And then so we went
51:55
around town next door in different
51:57
places, and that's when I found
51:59
out. when I talked to the guy
52:01
that he had jammed over that early that
52:03
morning about, I'm thinking eight
52:05
or eight thirty and
52:07
shut because blaring out back
52:11
of his patio. So the
52:13
guy just turned off and then walked back
52:15
to his apartment next door.
52:17
Okay. Maybe I should, you know,
52:19
this is maybe you have to
52:21
establish this. When did somebody realize
52:23
that Dave was missing? So,
52:27
you know, your mother talks to him and
52:30
then what was the time that everybody
52:33
realized he was missing? It
52:37
had to be about 10 or
52:39
11 o'clock. You know, after
52:42
I got home about at his place at
52:44
930 and
52:46
then about 1030 or 11, I realized
52:48
that, well, where's Dave at? So I
52:50
started calling around because I was trying to
52:52
get worried. I didn't know that this guy,
52:54
I didn't even pay attention. The car was
52:57
in the garage or anything at that time.
52:59
I just, you know, went got a shower
53:02
with playing around on my phone, stuff
53:05
like that, you know, stuff up. Okay.
53:08
So you went to your mother's then bed
53:10
that next morning you come back over there.
53:13
I guess you're expecting to see Dave. Yes.
53:17
But he's not there. No. All
53:19
right. Now we have to remember Joe has Dave's
53:23
truck, but Dave's wife
53:25
had this car and her car was there.
53:29
Yes. I didn't realize it until
53:32
we started searching around the
53:34
whole apartment and then the back,
53:36
you know, in the back and
53:38
thing. I didn't realize that
53:40
his car was there until then. So
53:43
you get there around 1030, 11, he's not there. And was this,
53:45
did you try calling him or
53:50
was this phone there in the place?
53:54
Oh, I tried calling him and everybody tried
53:56
calling him, but you know, I was inside
53:58
and that was out back. So I
54:00
didn't hear the phone back there.
54:03
It was out. Okay.
54:05
So the phone was in the back
54:08
and then you already
54:10
stayed and eventually found out that this neighbor had
54:12
gone over there because the radio was blaring. Is
54:14
this some sort of like little
54:16
radio that was plugged into the wall
54:19
outside on the porch or something? Something
54:22
like that? Yeah, kind of like a boombox. So
54:24
it was pretty loud. Okay.
54:27
All right. All right. So
54:30
what you're also saying here, I think,
54:32
Daryl, is that people
54:34
realize that something wasn't right pretty
54:36
quickly. Yes. It
54:39
was in a few hours, maybe three hours.
54:43
Yes. And then, you know,
54:47
I went on Facebook and posted,
54:49
anybody seen my brother, blah, blah,
54:51
blah, you know, and then started
54:53
telling people left and right. And
54:55
then these people seeing it on
54:57
Facebook, they stopped by and asked
54:59
me if I had
55:01
a picture of him, they could go over
55:04
and make copies and put it on a
55:06
poster. And then they started handing out posters
55:08
or flyers to everybody
55:10
in town and in Troy and
55:13
different places. Okay.
55:16
All right. So you're looking for
55:18
him. Of course, you're calling him, but we'll get
55:20
to the phone a little bit later. But you're
55:23
calling and not realizing maybe at least at first,
55:25
the phone's sitting back there maybe by where the
55:27
radio is. But it should
55:29
be noted though, you just said that you
55:31
were over there, but who else came over
55:33
to his place during that general time? It
55:37
was Joe and Seth. Seth's the
55:39
one that actually found his phone on the
55:41
back porch on the armrest. Okay.
55:45
Okay. So
55:47
you did not find it. Somebody else found it back
55:49
there. Yes. All right.
55:51
Seth did. All right. And
55:54
just very general terms, once again, no last names. Who
55:57
is Seth? Seth
56:00
is a friend of Joe's and
56:02
they knew him through Joe. So
56:06
it was kind of an acquaintance of Joe. And
56:09
then Dave got to
56:11
know him and stuff and helped
56:13
him out a couple of times, driving
56:16
him back to work and different things. And,
56:19
but Joe and Seth showed
56:21
up because you called them and said that
56:24
Dave was missing. Is that why they showed up? My
56:28
mom, actually I called my mom. She had Joe's
56:30
number. So she's the one that called Joe. And
56:33
then him and Joe, or Joe
56:35
and Seth showed up and the
56:37
apartment started looking for him. When
56:41
you, so you encountered them when they showed up,
56:44
you know, in your opinion, their demeanor. Seth
56:51
was pretty, you know, upset
56:55
about it. I could say, he,
56:57
now Joe was kind of calm, but
57:00
Seth was all, you know, we gotta find
57:02
him. We gotta find him. But my
57:04
mom told me later on that
57:06
the reason he minded to that
57:08
is because his dad committed suicide.
57:11
And he was, but Dave was
57:15
in that way. I didn't know that until
57:17
later on. That would make sense. Yeah.
57:21
All right. So he got to
57:23
place over there and he, he did
57:25
a lot of, you know, getting people
57:28
over there for searches and stuff like
57:30
that. And we actually did
57:32
a search down at the river. Me,
57:34
Joe and Seth and a couple other
57:36
people walked down there or actually drove
57:38
down there and started
57:41
searching along the river
57:43
and stuff. All
57:47
right. So all these people were over there.
57:49
You're over there, Seth's over there. Joe's over there
57:51
trying to figure out what happened. Police
57:55
get informed. Just
57:59
being that you had lived there. for a few weeks before
58:01
this happened, anything you,
58:04
any signs, just very specifically, any
58:07
signs of violence, like anything on the
58:09
floor, anything broken, anything like that.
58:13
No, nothing. Nothing. Alright.
58:16
And my understanding is at some point, dogs
58:19
came in to kind of sniff
58:21
everything out, and I'll be
58:23
doing a map video just so everybody can
58:26
kind of see what we're
58:29
talking about here. But where did the dogs
58:31
go? My understanding is they did pick up
58:33
something. Listeners know I'm not a big fan
58:36
of dogs in this situation. I love dogs,
58:38
but when it comes to missing persons, I'm
58:41
fairly skeptical. But what
58:43
did the dogs do when they were brought over? They,
58:49
I showed them some articles
58:52
of clothing of days. It
58:55
was mainly a ball
58:57
cap, you know, like winter ball cap,
58:59
and they sniffed it,
59:02
and then they went out back and went
59:04
along the fence line onto
59:06
some, it was a field,
59:09
and through a field onto a lady's property,
59:11
they said, I didn't go with them, but,
59:13
you know, they said, be best if everybody
59:16
stayed back and then they let them do
59:18
their thing, and then went
59:20
onto another property, stopped at that one
59:22
property, and then went onto
59:24
another piece of property, and then they lost the
59:26
scent, they said. Okay.
59:29
And being that probably hardly, maybe
59:33
a few people live in the Covington, Ohio, I
59:35
hear some of the listeners, but for everybody else,
59:37
how far would you say the dogs went from
59:39
the house before they lost the scent, would you
59:41
say a quarter, a
59:43
football field, eighth of a mile, quarter
59:46
of a mile, how far would
59:48
you say? Two
59:50
football fields. All right, about 600 feet
59:52
then, 700 feet. Okay,
59:55
so not really technically, I guess,
59:57
that far. Okay.
1:00:01
The way you, once again, being that you lived
1:00:03
there, did
1:00:07
this trail go by any other houses, by
1:00:09
any other buildings where people would have been
1:00:11
in? Where it's a business or a home
1:00:14
where people could have seen him? Your
1:00:17
opinion? Not
1:00:22
from the road. It
1:00:24
was kind of secluded. Now,
1:00:28
I'm not sure how far it is from the
1:00:31
main road. And if
1:00:33
you could, and I can't remember
1:00:36
if beans were up or corn was up
1:00:38
at that time. I'm
1:00:40
pretty sure it was, I don't
1:00:43
know, I don't think it was, I think it was
1:00:45
all cut down. So it was pretty, you could
1:00:47
probably see from the road that
1:00:50
someone was walking that way. Okay.
1:00:55
All right, so maybe it's a path
1:00:58
that maybe was going out of the
1:01:00
way of running into anybody. Might
1:01:02
look at it that way. Yes.
1:01:07
All right, but then the dogs
1:01:09
lost the trail. Did the dog
1:01:12
handlers give any reason? Once again, if you were
1:01:14
there, if you know, if you don't, that's fine.
1:01:16
Did they give any reason why the dogs might
1:01:18
have lost the trail right at that
1:01:20
spot? No,
1:01:22
they didn't send me. They didn't.
1:01:25
What are any foot searches by humans?
1:01:30
Go looking in that direction, go much farther than
1:01:32
the dogs did, you know, going
1:01:35
in, you know, because there are houses, there
1:01:37
are buildings with people in
1:01:39
them and around the area,
1:01:41
some businesses and things. Did
1:01:43
people kind of fan out in different directions
1:01:45
or not? Yes.
1:01:49
I had one group together and
1:01:52
then Joe had another group
1:01:54
and then somebody else had
1:01:56
another group. We actually went
1:01:58
over to Ludoke Falls. which is
1:02:01
not too far. Well, you
1:02:03
got to go through another town. But we
1:02:05
went over there thinking maybe, he
1:02:08
was over there thinking, because at
1:02:10
that, there was something that
1:02:12
happened a long time ago where he thought
1:02:15
he was back in the military. This
1:02:18
was before he got on meds, that
1:02:20
he went low
1:02:22
crawling into mud and stuff, and mom
1:02:24
and dad found him, I forgot about that. But
1:02:28
that was before he was on his
1:02:30
medication and everything, until
1:02:32
he got leveled out. Okay.
1:02:36
Alright, so there's that incident as well. Okay,
1:02:39
so you're going looking around, and
1:02:42
in the process, of course, kind of
1:02:44
a populated area, so maybe
1:02:46
you're going to find man-made things anyway. Anything
1:02:49
that you found in any of those searches
1:02:51
that could have been connected to David. Not
1:02:58
that I know of. Okay. Okay.
1:03:03
Let's move on to this. Now, we're going to get a little
1:03:05
deeper now into the house, being that you were
1:03:07
there very quickly. I mean, you were like the first person
1:03:09
on the scene, and then of course, Joe and Seth came
1:03:11
over. Of course, we can't forget the
1:03:13
neighbor that came over as well. But
1:03:15
you told me something about David's clothes. Of
1:03:18
course, you're living with him. You kind of
1:03:20
know maybe his clothes situation. You were living
1:03:22
with him for a couple weeks. But
1:03:24
what can you say about his clothes? There
1:03:28
was a lot of his clothes and
1:03:31
a lot of shaving stuff that was
1:03:33
missing that I noticed when I went
1:03:35
to pack stuff up. I
1:03:38
couldn't afford the rent on my own because
1:03:43
I just got in my job and stuff.
1:03:45
Okay. So
1:03:47
I couldn't afford it on my own. So I think
1:03:51
it was about a month or two after
1:03:54
Dave disappeared. I started packing
1:03:57
everything up. And a lot
1:03:59
of this... His clothes were gone, his pants
1:04:02
and shirts were gone. And then
1:04:04
there was a duffel bag that I noticed
1:04:06
that was gone. Cause I remember him
1:04:08
having a green duffel bag from the
1:04:10
military and that wasn't found there
1:04:12
either. All right, so you're living there for a while.
1:04:14
Maybe you're just thinking, well, you know, he's going to
1:04:17
come back, right? I guess you were there
1:04:19
thinking, yeah, he's going to come back. You know,
1:04:21
he's maybe just having some sort of episode. Somebody's
1:04:23
going to find him somewhere, maybe
1:04:25
in another state, maybe he's homeless or something,
1:04:27
but somebody would find him and then bring
1:04:29
him back to Ohio. That's what you're
1:04:31
thinking. Yes. And
1:04:34
that's why you didn't like go through his stuff. Yeah.
1:04:40
All right, but then eventually he found him in
1:04:42
his drawers or whatever, most of his
1:04:45
clothes were missing. Yes.
1:04:49
Okay. There was, now this
1:04:51
is another thing that
1:04:54
he left his wedding ring right on the
1:04:56
dresser. Where he
1:04:59
kept all this clothes and everything. Right.
1:05:02
Yeah, no clothes there that
1:05:04
I knew that was his.
1:05:08
Most of the clothes that were there was
1:05:10
jewelry. Okay. Did
1:05:12
you notice that wedding ring was sitting there right
1:05:14
away? Or, you know, of course, any
1:05:16
sort of jewelry, like that's not very big and, you
1:05:18
know, maybe, I don't know if you'd be looking for
1:05:20
that type of thing anyway. Think this is the first
1:05:22
time we've ever talked about a wedding ring on Unfound,
1:05:24
you know, seven and a half years in. But
1:05:27
that was something you noticed at the time, or did
1:05:29
it take you a few days to realize that? No,
1:05:33
I noticed that immediately. When
1:05:36
I, I did do
1:05:38
a little bit of search around and
1:05:40
maybe you left a note or something.
1:05:43
So I was thinking, look everywhere to see if
1:05:45
I can find a note and
1:05:47
stuff. I didn't even told the police, come on in
1:05:49
and see if you can find anything and
1:05:52
everything. Right. Yeah,
1:05:55
cause the wedding ring and we should
1:05:57
establish David did usually wear his.
1:05:59
wedding ring yes
1:06:02
you know did he ever I mean I know
1:06:04
this is very personal but yeah
1:06:07
you know maybe some people might take it off
1:06:09
when they take a shower or something in case
1:06:11
it doesn't fall off and go down the drain
1:06:13
or something anything like that I have
1:06:16
to ask because I know maybe the
1:06:18
listeners thinking well
1:06:23
that's a really crazy question my dad of
1:06:25
course was married for over 50 years
1:06:27
of course my mother's now deceased but
1:06:29
he never wore a wedding ring and not
1:06:31
because he was running around or anything
1:06:33
but he just was never into any
1:06:35
drawers very much like I don't wear anything
1:06:38
like that either of course I'm not
1:06:40
married but no watches no you know anything
1:06:42
like that hey anything metal on my
1:06:44
body hate it my dad's kind of
1:06:46
the same way so he never wore his
1:06:48
wedding ring so that's why I needed to
1:06:50
ask but David did wear his wedding
1:06:53
ring yes he wore
1:06:55
his wedding ring and he also wore a
1:06:57
necklace with the cross on it and
1:06:59
he liked jewelry
1:07:02
a little bit you know you have a
1:07:04
lot of jewelry but you like where jewelry
1:07:06
is okay but the but
1:07:08
the cross this necklace
1:07:10
or whatever it's missing yes
1:07:14
okay he went missing it went missing all
1:07:16
right so this green double bag closer
1:07:20
missing his wedding ring
1:07:22
still there regarding the
1:07:24
phone the phone was still there but like it
1:07:26
you know we established you didn't find it one
1:07:29
of those other guys found it and
1:07:34
maybe I'll ask you right at this point
1:07:36
did you like look through the phone to
1:07:38
see if who anybody that
1:07:40
he could have called and text we're gonna
1:07:42
get back to like some older texts later
1:07:44
but just for that morning did
1:07:47
he call anybody of course we know his mother called
1:07:49
him but did you ever look in his phone to
1:07:51
see you recent that communication
1:07:53
was with no
1:07:56
I didn't okay Do
1:08:00
you know the police collected that
1:08:02
phone? Do you know where that phone is
1:08:04
now? Yeah They did. Yes The
1:08:09
phone is with The detective
1:08:11
in Miami County. Okay, very
1:08:13
good Now
1:08:16
my sister she did see
1:08:18
some text in there that she she
1:08:20
actually grabbed his phone and started looking
1:08:22
through it and stuff I
1:08:25
personally didn't do that, but she did
1:08:27
and she said there was a suspicious
1:08:30
Activity on his text messages. All
1:08:32
right, we'll get into that a little
1:08:34
later. Well surely now you also said
1:08:36
his shaving stuff Was
1:08:39
missing Like
1:08:41
yes, like a razor and maybe shaving cream.
1:08:43
That's what you noticed Dave
1:08:45
the type of guy to like shave every
1:08:47
day or once every three days. Do you
1:08:49
even know? every
1:08:52
day Cuz he didn't like
1:08:54
to go to your nothing
1:08:56
on this face. All right. He's like
1:08:58
me then. Okay But
1:09:00
there is a discrepancy with the wallet.
1:09:02
Why don't you Explain
1:09:06
why the information with the wallet is
1:09:08
a bit conflicting Well,
1:09:11
I remember going into his bedroom
1:09:13
and just seeing the wedding ring
1:09:15
and there was nothing else on
1:09:17
the Dresser, but
1:09:19
when I talked to Seth
1:09:21
about it Seth swore that he is Walt
1:09:24
was there on the dresser and I
1:09:27
don't remember his wallet being there
1:09:29
whatsoever You
1:09:32
know, I looked all over that place for his wallet
1:09:34
because that's one of the main things to see If
1:09:38
he left his wall behind, you know,
1:09:40
and I did not find it anywhere Even
1:09:43
when I packed everything up, there was
1:09:45
no wallet found Well,
1:09:48
that's where's his wallet was on
1:09:50
the dresser but it's missing
1:09:53
now four years later Yes,
1:09:55
okay, so his phone was there Wedding
1:09:58
ring is there but his wallet
1:10:01
is missing four years later. But
1:10:04
you claim, of course, you were the first person to get
1:10:06
to the house. You didn't see
1:10:09
it, but when Seth and Joe got there
1:10:11
later, Seth insists that the wallet was there.
1:10:15
When I took, I didn't talk to Seth about
1:10:17
it at that time. It
1:10:20
was about six months later that
1:10:22
I talked to Seth on the phone and
1:10:25
he swore that he'd
1:10:27
seen his wallet. But I'm wondering
1:10:29
if, because we've seen his wedding
1:10:31
room and I said his wedding
1:10:33
room's right here, maybe he misunderstood
1:10:35
what Seth said, I don't know.
1:10:38
Okay, all right. But
1:10:40
you were pretty sure, being that you were the
1:10:42
first person on the scene, you did
1:10:44
not see his wallet. No,
1:10:47
I did not. Okay. Let's
1:10:50
move on to this. So we got some things going
1:10:52
on in the house, the clothes, the wedding ring, this
1:10:55
phone, the wallet was that
1:10:57
there was not. I'm gonna believe you, Darryl,
1:11:02
because you were the first on the scene. I don't think
1:11:04
you would miss something like that. Of
1:11:06
course, it really was just sitting there in
1:11:08
the open, as Seth described. Maybe, of course,
1:11:11
it was well down the road. Who
1:11:13
knows? Maybe he saw your
1:11:15
wallet sitting on the table or something, or
1:11:17
Joe's wallet sitting on the table. That wasn't
1:11:19
actually David. So it came up
1:11:22
with a lot of different stories there. So
1:11:24
move on to this. Now, one of the
1:11:26
neighbors, and I'm not sure which house it is, they
1:11:30
had some of those ring cameras, or had
1:11:32
security cameras on the front of the house.
1:11:34
What did it show? According
1:11:39
to the detective, it showed, I
1:11:41
mean, they went around every house
1:11:44
and did investigation and found out
1:11:46
that a guy down the
1:11:48
street had one of those.
1:11:51
So he asked him
1:11:54
if he could see the footage, and it
1:11:56
showed that Dave came in, closed
1:11:58
the garage door, and... and no one
1:12:00
ever left out to front until I got home. So,
1:12:04
but when you say Dave came
1:12:06
home, what we're talking about is
1:12:09
a car. He was in his wife's car. Yes,
1:12:12
he was in his wife's car. Alright, so,
1:12:14
I know we have to be
1:12:17
very technical about this. The car
1:12:19
goes by this camera, and
1:12:21
the camera can actually see David's
1:12:24
garage door? Yes.
1:12:28
It can. Okay, so it's
1:12:30
like right across the street, and we don't want to
1:12:32
give out any address or anything. But
1:12:35
it's good enough that we
1:12:37
know that the camera's pointed out on
1:12:40
the street, but it just happens to also catch, you
1:12:43
know, Dave's place. And it shows
1:12:45
the car going into the garage, but technically,
1:12:48
you can't really tell who's driving, right? No.
1:12:53
According to, you know, I found
1:12:55
out this later from
1:12:57
the detective that, you know, I don't know
1:12:59
which house that the detective went to. I
1:13:02
have no idea. They never released that information
1:13:04
to me, so I want to make sure
1:13:06
that you know that. So,
1:13:09
I have no idea which house it was
1:13:11
that had the camera. Okay,
1:13:15
so I got asked. So you've never like walked – I
1:13:17
know you live there. No, I'm not putting you on the
1:13:19
spot, but you've never like walked on that side of the
1:13:21
street to see which one of those
1:13:23
houses actually has a camera? No,
1:13:26
I didn't. No, you didn't. Okay. Alright,
1:13:31
so we have a story. A car coming back
1:13:33
would – did
1:13:35
the police give you a time
1:13:37
estimate of when this happened? No,
1:13:42
they didn't. Because
1:13:45
you have to remember, we have this story that
1:13:47
your mother called him and he said he was
1:13:49
at home and
1:13:52
trying to figure out was he telling the truth?
1:13:54
I think she would have noticed maybe if he
1:13:56
was driving in the car because you kind of
1:13:58
hear the background and everything. So
1:14:02
you have to piece that together. Presumably,
1:14:04
I guess, if we're
1:14:06
believing Dave, is that he
1:14:10
did drive home from Joe's in his
1:14:12
wife's car, in Dave's wife's car, and
1:14:14
went in there. And then after that, your mother
1:14:17
called him, but certainly
1:14:19
something else could be possible because we have
1:14:21
to remember we don't know who
1:14:23
was driving Dave's car. All
1:14:26
we know is the car. Anything unusual, maybe I'll ask you.
1:14:28
Is anything unusual about the car? Did you ever take a
1:14:30
look at the car? And anything
1:14:32
unusual, anything missing out of it? No,
1:14:38
me and Seth and Joe kind
1:14:40
of looked through it and didn't
1:14:42
find anything out of the ordinary.
1:14:46
Okay.
1:14:49
And then, so he pulls in there and
1:14:51
then just to remind everybody to put this
1:14:53
in the timeline, what time do you think
1:14:55
you got back to Dave's place
1:14:58
that morning, roughly? 9.30
1:15:01
or 10. So
1:15:04
once again, we're talking about two
1:15:07
and a half, three hours, something
1:15:10
went on in that time. Okay.
1:15:13
Let's move on to Joe and
1:15:15
we have to talk about these
1:15:17
things because you've
1:15:20
seen them, you've experienced them, Daryl,
1:15:23
so I have to ask you about them. First of
1:15:25
all, did Joe go to the funeral? Yes,
1:15:29
he did. He showed up. Okay, so he
1:15:31
was there. He
1:15:34
and his brother. He and his brother, very good.
1:15:37
Now, there is a story though that
1:15:41
he was asking you about a leather jacket
1:15:44
that David had. Please tell the listeners.
1:15:46
Of course, you experienced this firsthand, so
1:15:48
you were there. What was
1:15:51
the conversation? Well,
1:15:54
the day that they were missing, Joe
1:15:57
Mentioned to me that he would like to have...
1:16:03
We don't know what exists. I'm
1:16:05
not giving users jacket man. He
1:16:08
so wanted to put days picture
1:16:10
on to remember him by. That's.
1:16:12
A very day that they. Would make
1:16:14
sense in in at the
1:16:17
funeral home before we've a
1:16:19
women's sizes he. Has come up
1:16:21
to be a job and try to ask
1:16:23
me about the objected to. Ah
1:16:26
a year to see if he he it's
1:16:28
just it's put these picture on. As
1:16:31
as thought it was really. Weird.
1:16:34
And ninety one and be
1:16:36
impossible to and. I said
1:16:38
no, We'll regarding the pallbearers Forbes
1:16:40
or Jules. Verne Men
1:16:42
in Palmer. things muscle unusual, but that
1:16:44
is so we're saying. This very day,
1:16:46
when you show up there, you notice
1:16:49
days missing an incest. And
1:16:51
Joe. So I'm Joe. Ask you
1:16:53
that very day about that leather
1:16:55
jacket. In
1:16:57
a season or it's within hours a day
1:16:59
going missing. Yes,
1:17:03
I. Realize what a story was
1:17:05
that wouldn't put. One.
1:17:09
In put the picture on.
1:17:11
it was something. Okay,
1:17:13
movement in that very well could
1:17:15
be the that's what he wanted
1:17:17
to do. A bit disingenuous. We
1:17:19
all know when people start asking
1:17:22
about missing persons things very quickly.
1:17:24
It does seem a little strange. I'm.
1:17:28
Ah, next. Point.
1:17:30
Days struck with Remember this
1:17:32
Joe had. Days. Truck
1:17:34
on in your estimation. How long
1:17:37
did Joe have? Don't. Cook
1:17:39
before the and went missing. On.
1:17:41
The. Ah
1:17:44
of two weeks or
1:17:46
months. Long time. Alone
1:17:50
science with was this because the
1:17:52
day and just let a bar
1:17:54
with there was some sort of
1:17:56
arrangement. Third, didn't does didn't as
1:17:59
David. to you. Hey
1:18:01
Dave, why does Joe have your truck
1:18:03
and what was Dave's explanation? There
1:18:07
was something that my mom told me, now this
1:18:09
is coming from my mom, that Dave
1:18:13
agreed to let him use his
1:18:16
truck because of his being down.
1:18:18
But the conversation was supposed to
1:18:21
be that he would get
1:18:23
another vehicle or get down pics or
1:18:25
whatever. But as far
1:18:27
as I know, according to
1:18:29
my mom, Joe was actually
1:18:31
paying Dave Riddle to
1:18:33
help him out on the lease on
1:18:36
that vehicle. Okay.
1:18:40
I'm not sure if it was per month
1:18:43
or per week. I'm not sure how that
1:18:45
arrangement, but I do remember my
1:18:47
mom saying that. Okay. So
1:18:49
it wasn't just a, it
1:18:52
possibly wasn't
1:18:54
a Dave let Joe borrow his truck for
1:18:56
a while. It might have been, there might
1:18:58
have been some financial motive for
1:19:01
this. Yes. Okay. Your
1:19:03
opinion, Joe having Dave's
1:19:05
truck, did he take care of it? Did
1:19:08
he keep it in good shape? No,
1:19:11
it was, it was pretty much trash on
1:19:14
the inside. I mean, there was trash all
1:19:16
over the place. There was trash in his
1:19:18
bed of his truck. There was
1:19:20
actually a, like trash bags
1:19:23
of trash in his, in
1:19:27
the bed of his truck that
1:19:29
Joe had thrown in there. I
1:19:32
have no idea why. Okay.
1:19:37
All right. So he has this truck
1:19:39
for, you know, at least two months. That's
1:19:41
your best estimation. It's
1:19:44
good enough for a
1:19:46
conversation here. And, but
1:19:48
then it
1:19:50
did turn out, and I think this is where you
1:19:52
were going when you talked about your sister a few
1:19:54
minutes ago, about some texts
1:19:57
that were eventually found on
1:19:59
Dave's phone. between Dave and
1:20:01
Joe and the topic was the
1:20:03
truck. You saw these texts? I
1:20:07
didn't actually see him. My sister told
1:20:11
me about him. The
1:20:15
text actually said, Dave actually
1:20:17
on the text, quoting my
1:20:20
sister, is that the
1:20:22
text actually said that Dave told
1:20:25
him that he's given him until
1:20:27
a certain date. I'm not sure
1:20:29
what the date was, that he wanted
1:20:32
back. He wanted
1:20:35
his truck back and he needed his truck back.
1:20:41
I guess him and Joe got a heated
1:20:43
discussion on there and told
1:20:46
him that he couldn't give it back, that
1:20:48
he had to have a vehicle. They
1:20:51
said, well, I don't care. You got to figure something
1:20:53
out because I was on my truck back. I got
1:20:55
a date and that's
1:20:58
what I was told from my sister.
1:21:03
Did your sister ever say, recognize
1:21:05
the date on that conversation? Was that a
1:21:08
week before Dave's disappearance? A
1:21:10
month before? Did she say? Yeah,
1:21:14
a day or two. Just a day or two? Yes.
1:21:20
Okay. Of course,
1:21:23
Dave goes missing and what happened
1:21:25
to that truck? Did
1:21:27
Joe give it back after Dave went missing
1:21:29
or what happened? Mom
1:21:34
kept on saying about giving the truck
1:21:36
back, but
1:21:39
I think a week or
1:21:41
two later, I think it might have
1:21:43
been closer to two weeks, that mom
1:21:45
just called him up and told him, gave him
1:21:47
all to me and you bring the truck back
1:21:49
or we call the police on you for keeping
1:21:52
Dave's truck. And
1:21:54
then Joe ended up bringing
1:21:57
it back under He
1:22:00
really didn't want to bring it back, but
1:22:02
once mom mentioned she was going to call
1:22:04
a police on him having Dave's truck, you
1:22:07
know, like thieving his truck, then
1:22:09
he finally gave in like three days later
1:22:11
and brought it back to mom. So
1:22:15
Joe did eventually give the truck
1:22:17
back? Yes. Okay.
1:22:20
All right, and being that you still live
1:22:22
in the area and maybe some of your
1:22:24
other family lives in the area, do you
1:22:26
still interact with him? Joe,
1:22:28
is he around? What's he doing? Seth as well.
1:22:30
Do you guys, do you talk to these guys
1:22:32
over the last four years? I
1:22:37
had talked to Joe
1:22:40
a little bit, but it's been a
1:22:42
long time. It's been like two, three
1:22:44
years since I've talked to Joe. Two
1:22:48
years for Seth. Seth,
1:22:50
as far as I know, is living
1:22:53
around here now. But
1:22:55
Joe, last time I heard he
1:22:58
was in Mississippi. Oh, he moved.
1:23:01
Yes. And he moved very
1:23:03
quickly after the
1:23:06
funeral and after Dave's. I
1:23:08
think it was within three months he moved to
1:23:11
Mississippi. I
1:23:13
think that's something else maybe that we need to
1:23:15
keep in mind just to kind of be devil's
1:23:17
advocate regarding Joe is that, you know, very well
1:23:20
maybe that Joe's thinking, well,
1:23:23
you know, you lent me
1:23:25
or whatever the situation is,
1:23:27
your truck, and now
1:23:30
that your wife's deceased, you
1:23:34
don't need a vehicle. You
1:23:36
can drive her a vehicle and I can continue to
1:23:38
drive her truck. It very well could be that Joe
1:23:41
might have just been upset about that, thinking,
1:23:43
you know, you're by yourself
1:23:45
now. You don't need two vehicles. Very
1:23:49
well could be that. I realize
1:23:52
how it looks, but it very well
1:23:54
could have been heat of the moment type of
1:23:56
thing. And
1:23:59
we also have to realize. this is not
1:24:01
a recorded conversation. We have
1:24:03
a text. It's hard maybe to put the
1:24:05
correct emotions. You
1:24:07
know, with texting, we've all done texting. We realize
1:24:09
what we write and what
1:24:12
we're thinking maybe doesn't show the emotions.
1:24:14
All we know is that Dave
1:24:16
was asking for his truck back and Joe
1:24:19
seemed to be resistant to it at least
1:24:22
at that moment. Yes.
1:24:25
Okay. And then it
1:24:27
was it you or you
1:24:29
said your sister was the one communicating with Joe to get
1:24:31
the truck back? My
1:24:35
mom. Your mom. My mom was.
1:24:37
Okay. All right. But Dave or
1:24:39
Joe eventually did give the
1:24:41
truck back. And where is that
1:24:43
truck now? It
1:24:46
got turned back into the leasing company.
1:24:48
It did. Actually, car and the
1:24:51
truck was leased. Okay. And then,
1:24:53
you know, no payment and
1:24:55
we can't touch any money
1:24:58
that they've passed. It
1:25:01
got turned back in because they paid
1:25:03
that out of his debit
1:25:05
card. Okay. So the
1:25:07
car and the truck are going. Yes.
1:25:11
Okay. They got trouble. Okay.
1:25:16
I'm going to ask you, it's not on the outline, but I'm
1:25:18
going to ask you about this. This certainly could be a situation.
1:25:20
Of course, we have clothes missing. We have
1:25:22
a wallet missing. We have a phone left
1:25:24
behind. We have a wedding ring left behind.
1:25:27
It could be certainly believable
1:25:30
that Dave went off
1:25:32
all by himself. I think this something that,
1:25:34
you know, that I realize, you know, I
1:25:37
might think something else, but certainly given the
1:25:39
clothes and everything really
1:25:41
leaning toward, I'm not telling what people what to think, but
1:25:43
we have to talk about it. That and
1:25:46
being especially since Dave had gone off
1:25:48
and taken a couple trips unexpectedly on
1:25:50
his own before. What
1:25:53
are some of the characteristics? What are some
1:25:55
of the things that Dave was into? Let's
1:25:57
say he's out there somewhere. It's for you.
1:26:00
years later, he's been able to survive
1:26:02
on the streets or doing something. What
1:26:04
are some of the things that people
1:26:07
might recognize about him?
1:26:09
Any idiosyncrasies, you know,
1:26:13
anything like that, when
1:26:17
you think about your
1:26:19
brother that maybe somebody might recognize should they
1:26:21
run into somebody who might be Dave on
1:26:23
the street? Anything like that? Well,
1:26:27
he did wear his glasses a lot, you
1:26:29
know, because he couldn't hardly see, you know,
1:26:32
he had bad vision. Then
1:26:34
he wore his glasses and also
1:26:36
he had two
1:26:38
tattoos, one on each arm.
1:26:40
One was an Indian scene
1:26:44
and then another one was like
1:26:46
a skull with hair flipped over
1:26:48
the skull. I'm
1:26:50
not sure what arm they was on. But
1:26:55
yeah, he had two tattoos. They
1:26:57
were both pretty big on each shoulder,
1:27:00
kind of like the shoulder part arm.
1:27:04
Okay. Maybe
1:27:06
I should go back and ask you this
1:27:08
as well. When you went in there and
1:27:10
noticed he wasn't around and looking around and
1:27:12
everything, did he take his medication with him?
1:27:15
If he left by himself, was clothes,
1:27:17
bag missing, was the medication still there?
1:27:21
The medication was still there. They had
1:27:23
like a toolbox of
1:27:25
drugs and pretty
1:27:27
much all of his medication was there as far as
1:27:30
I think. So
1:27:34
then let me ask you this then. Wayne,
1:27:36
did you ever encounter over the years, does
1:27:38
enough to be near his disappearance? But in
1:27:40
the years that he had been diagnosed with
1:27:42
this, everybody knew, who knew him well, knew
1:27:44
that he had this. When he
1:27:46
would be having one of these episodes, how
1:27:49
would he act, would he talk
1:27:53
about anything in particular when he was having
1:27:55
one of these episodes? This is just an
1:27:57
example of, you know, people who have been
1:27:59
diagnosed with this. people may be going through some mental
1:28:01
health issue, they may become very conspiratorial,
1:28:03
like for example, like the government's after
1:28:06
them or something like that. Was
1:28:08
Dave like that or when he was having one
1:28:10
of these episodes maybe didn't take his medication as
1:28:12
quick or right as he should, what
1:28:15
would he start talking about? What would
1:28:17
his fascinations be under these
1:28:19
conditions? Do you remember? Well,
1:28:22
I could notice that when
1:28:24
the drug was wearing off, a
1:28:27
month or two later when he
1:28:30
was getting ready to get his
1:28:32
other shot that he let a
1:28:34
lot of people run over him and
1:28:36
let, you know, he did whatever he
1:28:38
wanted to cause he was nervous about
1:28:40
everything, stuff like that,
1:28:42
I just noticed that. Okay.
1:28:45
So there wasn't any particular topic or
1:28:47
topics that would come
1:28:50
to mind, you know,
1:28:52
that he would obsess upon under
1:28:55
this situation. No,
1:28:57
nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, that jumps out
1:28:59
at you. Okay. All
1:29:03
right, and once again, you have the
1:29:05
green, the green duffel bag and
1:29:08
with seemingly clothes and
1:29:10
things missing, so all right.
1:29:15
I should go back and ask you this one
1:29:17
more thing about the neighbor who came over and
1:29:19
turned off the music. Was
1:29:23
this the first time the neighbor ever did this? Did
1:29:25
he ever have any complaints or maybe it's a she?
1:29:29
Ever have any complaints about
1:29:31
Dave playing music too
1:29:33
loud? No,
1:29:36
and he didn't mention to
1:29:38
me afterwards, you
1:29:40
know, at that time, but he
1:29:43
did tell me later on that
1:29:45
he had never had Dave
1:29:47
do that before. It
1:29:49
had been a complaint, never, never,
1:29:52
Dave always kept this music down.
1:29:54
He never played it loud at all. Okay.
1:30:00
being that you lived with him for a few weeks
1:30:02
how common was it that that radio
1:30:04
would be on? He
1:30:08
liked to sit out back and just
1:30:11
you know it was open field or you know look you
1:30:15
know he liked to relax
1:30:17
out back there was
1:30:19
no five minute out there and he just
1:30:21
liked to sit out there in
1:30:23
the music pretty much. Okay so
1:30:25
it's not it would not have been
1:30:27
unusual for the radio to be on
1:30:29
it's just unusual of what the neighbor
1:30:31
said how loud it was that particular
1:30:33
morning. Yes
1:30:36
absolutely. And
1:30:38
we have to establish one more thing
1:30:40
maybe about this this camera
1:30:42
that's somewhere in the in the
1:30:44
neighborhood that's focused on the
1:30:47
building that the car
1:30:49
is seen going in but nobody has
1:30:51
seen walking away whether it's Dave or
1:30:53
any other person at least on
1:30:55
camera. Yes.
1:30:59
How difficult
1:31:01
has this been? Of course I'm talking
1:31:03
to you you have all these siblings
1:31:05
of of course you're the biological sibling
1:31:07
but still of course all these other
1:31:09
kids adopted this fantastic story there. How
1:31:12
has this affected all of you over the past
1:31:14
you know it's just over four years how has
1:31:17
it been? How often does Dave's name come
1:31:19
up? How often do you talk about them?
1:31:22
You know what's been like the last four years? We
1:31:26
talk about him all the time
1:31:28
about you know wish we knew
1:31:30
something or wish that he
1:31:32
was here with us because we miss him
1:31:34
so much and everything and
1:31:38
that pretty much my
1:31:41
sister she was we
1:31:43
were both Bulldogs when it
1:31:45
first happened you know she was trying to
1:31:47
find out this and that and find out
1:31:49
different things and and
1:31:52
she would pass flyers out
1:31:54
over where she lived and
1:31:57
and I passed flyers out. And
1:32:00
it's just like there ain't nothing that
1:32:02
ever came of anything. We miss him
1:32:04
so much We
1:32:08
used to have fun together. I mean even even
1:32:11
at Christmas time you would have wrestling
1:32:13
matches I got it
1:32:15
all on vid you know and Almost
1:32:18
actually fell into the and I called
1:32:21
him before he fell into
1:32:23
TV. I said you're right He said
1:32:25
well, maybe I better shut down cuz
1:32:27
I you know younger kids doing it
1:32:30
Nothing like us older guys doing it. You
1:32:32
know I'm saying yeah, I do yes
1:32:36
right, right See
1:32:39
he comes up Living
1:32:41
room where we had to wrestling match and
1:32:43
you know, you know how guys do we
1:32:45
think we're better than anybody else? And we
1:32:48
can wrestle and you know, my brothers were
1:32:50
all into wrestling Back
1:32:52
in the day, you know Your
1:32:54
ones anyways, okay So
1:32:58
he's on your mind a lot Yes
1:33:03
and you said you
1:33:07
Who actually lives now you or
1:33:09
your youngest brother now lives in the actual place
1:33:11
where Dave and his wife lived Which one of
1:33:13
you lives in it now? It's
1:33:20
a kind of I got asked being they When
1:33:23
you go over to your youngest brothers and walk in there that
1:33:25
kind of creepy You know you think
1:33:27
about Dave and all the times you were in there with
1:33:29
them You know what? Um,
1:33:33
yeah a little bit. I really do Now
1:33:36
when it first happened, I I couldn't
1:33:38
stay there. I don't know. It's just
1:33:40
eerie really weird eerie
1:33:42
feeling I don't know.
1:33:45
I had a thing where I Felt
1:33:48
like that if I would sleep there and
1:33:50
then he would come back I'd get scared
1:33:52
or something I don't know. It's just paranoid.
1:33:54
There's a little bit with me. I guess
1:34:00
Okay, and how
1:34:02
does your youngest brother feel about living
1:34:05
in that place Where
1:34:07
we're down, you know, I guess I guess it's
1:34:09
work it out for him and I'm happy You
1:34:11
know, it's always nice to keep something in the
1:34:13
family like that. But how
1:34:15
does he felt feel about it? He
1:34:19
likes it he likes over there.
1:34:21
So, you know have any complaints
1:34:23
or anything? Okay
1:34:27
All right. Now he was a little bit younger
1:34:29
when Dave disappeared. So, you know, he was living
1:34:33
at my mom and dad's he was still Again
1:34:36
as late teens
1:34:40
We live there. So he don't remember
1:34:42
a lot about you know him. They
1:34:44
wasn't really that close to be honest
1:34:47
Okay, you know other than yes get together
1:34:49
forget together stuff like that. And we of
1:34:51
course you have to remember There's like a
1:34:53
30 year age gap Yes,
1:34:56
right that does that doesn't help either I mean both
1:34:58
of you are Gen Xers like me
1:35:00
and he's in his 20s which would make them
1:35:02
I don't know millennial or whatever they call him
1:35:04
Gen Z or something So different
1:35:07
tastes and music and culture and everything
1:35:09
else. So maybe that's not unusual Yes,
1:35:13
yeah, okay First
1:35:17
of all before we complete this
1:35:19
interview. I need to thank former
1:35:22
guest Julian who put me in
1:35:24
contact, right? You know Julian correct?
1:35:27
Daryl I don't know personally,
1:35:29
but I'm on the Facebook
1:35:32
unidentified People.
1:35:34
Yeah, and that's how he got in
1:35:37
contact with me and told me about
1:35:39
you. All right, great Well, I have
1:35:41
to and if everybody's wondering well, who's
1:35:43
Joey Julian? Was
1:35:46
the guest for the Judy Brown and Richard
1:35:48
Riesenberg? Disappearances from
1:35:50
the 1970s in New York City where
1:35:52
if you don't know if you
1:35:54
don't know this Maybe you're finding this
1:35:56
out for the first time Daryl Julie
1:35:59
Brown was Joyan's
1:36:01
cousin and she went missing
1:36:03
in the 1970s with this guy Richard
1:36:05
Reasonberg who was a convicted murderer and
1:36:09
they're both still missing. So
1:36:13
we had covered that disappearance. I'm looking on
1:36:15
my list here. That was disappearance number 285
1:36:17
that we covered on and found and we're
1:36:22
now up to 329.
1:36:24
So it's been a little while since
1:36:26
Joyan was on but he and I
1:36:28
keep in contact and I'm so thankful
1:36:30
that he reached out to
1:36:32
you and we've gotten to
1:36:35
speak here today. By
1:36:37
the way, this interview was done on April
1:36:39
21st of 2024. Any final words, Daryl, before
1:36:46
we complete this interview? Just
1:36:50
that we love my brother so much
1:36:52
and we hope that something
1:36:55
comes about on finding him.
1:36:59
We all miss him so much and
1:37:01
you know either
1:37:03
way we want to know for
1:37:05
closure purposes that what happened
1:37:09
or what. Where
1:37:11
is that? Okay.
1:37:16
Daryl, thank you for being on this episode of
1:37:18
Unfound. Well,
1:37:20
thank you very much. I appreciate it.
1:37:24
You're welcome. And
1:37:26
that was my April 21st, 2024
1:37:30
interview with Daryl Fugate, brother
1:37:33
of David Fugate. I
1:37:35
thank him for joining me and
1:37:38
all of you on this episode. As
1:37:42
I stated in the interview, I made
1:37:44
a map video for this disappearance. Please
1:37:47
check it out on Unfound's
1:37:49
YouTube channel. Some
1:37:52
of Unfound's most astute listeners
1:37:54
may remember that we've covered
1:37:56
a few other disappearances where
1:37:58
vehicles became a point
1:38:01
of contention. Can
1:38:03
you name at least a couple of them? Take
1:38:07
a moment. If
1:38:12
Sandy Knipe and Andy
1:38:14
Chapman came to mind, you're
1:38:16
exactly right, and I
1:38:18
think there are a few others. Situations
1:38:21
where missing people's vehicles ended
1:38:23
up in some other people's
1:38:25
possessions somehow.
1:38:29
And yes, I think in most of those cases
1:38:32
foul play has certainly been
1:38:34
considered by both myself and
1:38:37
many of you. Meaning, if
1:38:40
you're thinking that Joe having David's truck
1:38:43
and not wanting to give it
1:38:45
back could have caused David's disappearance,
1:38:48
that makes all the sense in the world. David's
1:38:51
over there, an argument starts,
1:38:54
and something happens. Maybe
1:38:57
even unintentional. Then
1:38:59
Joe drives David's wife's car back
1:39:01
to the house. Yet,
1:39:04
I think we must look at this from
1:39:06
Joe's point of view. If
1:39:08
it's true that he was paying Dave to use
1:39:11
the truck, and Joe knew
1:39:13
he was doing so, so Dave could even
1:39:16
own a truck in the first place, I
1:39:19
can see why Joe might be ticked off,
1:39:22
that Dave's family demanded he give
1:39:24
Dave's truck back. Not
1:39:26
saying he was correct, but
1:39:29
I would understand his
1:39:31
frustration. So
1:39:33
at least how Joe acted toward Dave's
1:39:36
family, I'm not
1:39:38
sure that is necessarily suspicious.
1:39:41
However, the concern is
1:39:43
the text between Dave and
1:39:45
Joe. Dave wanting the
1:39:47
truck back and Joe not
1:39:50
wanting to give it back right before
1:39:52
Dave went missing. What's
1:39:54
clear to me is Dave wanted
1:39:56
the truck back because his wife
1:39:58
died. That the text's a occurred and
1:40:01
Julie died the day before is surely
1:40:04
not a coincidence. We
1:40:06
might consider that Dave wanted the truck
1:40:09
back so he could sell it
1:40:11
to finance the funeral. There's
1:40:14
a problem though. That truck
1:40:16
was leased. It was
1:40:18
not Dave's. It was the
1:40:20
leasing company's. Still,
1:40:22
I think Dave wanted the
1:40:24
truck back because Julie died. What
1:40:27
is in Joe's favor though is Dave
1:40:30
was alive the next morning even
1:40:33
though Dave went over to Joe's the
1:40:35
night before. You would
1:40:37
think that if violence would have occurred, it would
1:40:40
have happened when Dave arrived the
1:40:42
night before and
1:40:44
not the next morning because
1:40:47
we can't imagine that Dave might have
1:40:49
gone over to Joe's for the expressed
1:40:51
purpose of getting the truck back. Yet
1:40:55
Dave talked to his mother on the morning
1:40:57
of the 29th. Likewise,
1:41:00
if Joe is responsible, then that
1:41:02
means he set up Dave's house
1:41:04
to make it look like Dave
1:41:07
took off. Is
1:41:09
this reasonable? You
1:41:12
be the judge. All
1:41:14
we can really say for
1:41:16
sure is there was a funeral
1:41:20
and a disappearance. If
1:41:23
you'd like to hear and read
1:41:25
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1:41:27
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1:41:45
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1:41:47
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1:41:50
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