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dare to lead a locking

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Us episode. Hey bear it

1:25

Hi! I'm excited about that

1:28

episode of were coming to

1:30

the end of an eight

1:32

episode series called Living Beyond

1:34

Human Scale, The possibilities, the

1:36

costs and the role of

1:38

community and the whole. Kind

1:41

of driver for me behind

1:43

this series was trying to.

1:46

Step. Maybe I don't know?

1:48

Backer up and look at what's going

1:51

on around us. It. Feels you

1:53

agree. It fills on tethering. A

1:55

does. Yes, I agree. Yeah, I think.

1:58

The. Velocity of Change

2:00

and social media shit

2:02

show. A I

2:04

conversations and every nook and cranny of

2:06

every organisation were doing work and. What

2:10

stands out to you is the most. Disorienting.

2:14

If anything as disorienting, He

2:16

I think it's interesting because between

2:18

the podcast episode that we've done

2:21

and in advance that we've been

2:23

doing over the last several weeks,

2:25

I think it says the uncertainty

2:27

that everybody's and and. Not.

2:30

Really understanding what's next? And then you

2:32

said something other than an event that

2:34

really has stuck in my head that.

2:37

Were already not on solid

2:39

ground and solid footing. So.

2:42

We don't have a real foundation. Even start

2:44

to build and understand what's next. Yeah me

2:46

I think that's true. I think by the

2:48

way, if you haven't guess at this is

2:51

episodes can be just me and Berets reflecting

2:53

back on these episodes and what we've learned

2:55

in front of. What? Are

2:57

go to plan is from what we've learned

2:59

and what we're so confused about which is

3:01

the biggest category of having. Of

3:03

a I think this is the point like he

3:05

has. A. I

3:08

social media. An.

3:10

Election year. Absolute devastation.

3:12

Of violence and tragedy all over

3:14

the world right now and. It's.

3:17

Important to understand what's happening.

3:21

And. Is more than I

3:23

think we're neurobiologically wired to handle.

3:26

right? And so the point that you

3:29

just brought up as like it's not

3:31

like we're hey sis. Leeway to get

3:33

real So make sure you're grounded, you're feeling

3:35

good about yourself and as well rested, well

3:37

said, well moves, You know, well connected. Let's

3:39

go. It's were on the ground and the

3:41

whole room spitting up and down and we're

3:43

trying to get on our hands and knees

3:45

and climb up and then all the ships

3:47

coming out of the same time because we're

3:49

not okay. People are not okay. You

3:53

think that the talking about the human

3:55

scale? Metaphor or Story

3:57

is worth repeating. I did it. Honestly, there's the

3:59

first podcast in this area yes I totally the

4:01

of a guy. So if you haven't listened to

4:04

a Sears the podcast the Thera which we did

4:06

lie that south by southwest which kicked off this.

4:08

Whole series. The idea came to me

4:10

because. Maybe ten or. Fifteen years ago

4:12

was getting my hair done. And.

4:16

D Stylist. At.

4:19

The salon looked at me at some

4:22

point I have like although spoils in

4:24

my hair. And I had my code.

4:26

Against my ear talking to somebody at

4:29

work and then I was also my

4:31

laptop sitting. Any goes, man you are

4:33

like shot. Added a Canon and I

4:35

was A and I was like. Dude.

4:38

And working I get you to your focus. I'll do

4:40

my focus. I got shit to do here. I'm at

4:43

work his appointments sick. ninety minutes to get to my

4:45

natural color. And

4:47

so like you focus on you, don't focus on

4:49

me and I just collect data and mm like.

4:53

I. Don't know. That means I'm sure that I'm kinda new,

4:55

I got shit to do and I'm on my laptop,

4:57

I'm on my phone and I'm. He

5:00

came back in that he goes loud really

5:02

live in beyond human scale. That's.

5:05

Okay, Enough is enough. He

5:07

went to hell so I gotta sell it

5:09

was my laptop and I said what do

5:11

you mean because I knew. When he said

5:13

you're living beyond human scale. When

5:16

I was like. With

5:19

a hundred foils in my hair and a

5:21

phone tucked under my ear by laptop open

5:23

I knew that looks like a maniac and

5:25

says it would have be living beyond human

5:27

scale and he said well I'm a private

5:29

pilot They said we for such a pilot's

5:31

license. It's really amazing

5:34

and I really to discuss. As you

5:36

know I took flying less attitude some

5:38

facilitated two seater cessna what I was

5:40

in high school as a way to

5:42

bond with my father. And so

5:44

he's I can you know use take flying. Lessons

5:46

in your in these old two

5:48

seater planes and it's really amazing

5:51

because you take off and you're

5:53

flying. An ear. As he said it. I

5:55

could feel it. And if the wind blows. Hard

5:58

the plane moves and is

6:00

you throttle down you. Can kind

6:02

of feel it in your stomach and

6:04

if you do this like you are

6:06

in a plane that spilt completely at

6:08

human scale as seats to people. It

6:11

goes fast, but not super fast. Said he

6:13

sucked but. He gets tired of

6:15

that and so then you want to fly

6:17

a jet? Whatever. Dot there because I never even

6:19

did my solo on the do that either. Human scale.

6:21

Plan them a desire At some point my fine structure

6:24

was like I really can't get tons of keep ticking

6:26

your money for these lessons because you have so many

6:28

hours now. We've done all the stuff you just gotta

6:30

go up by yourself and years that have like. Well

6:33

this is where our story in Mississippi. As if

6:35

you think of I'm going to get up in

6:37

the same thing by myself. You are.

6:40

Not. Okay, so. So.

6:43

He's a did you get the jet and he said

6:46

when you get the jet a supplying the jet he

6:48

can't feel anything. And

6:50

it's not built a human scale. it's

6:52

going like beyond human scale fast. And

6:54

now you're not in the moment at

6:57

all. Now you're thinking ahead. Thirty.

6:59

Seconds or a minute. You can't be in the

7:01

human moment, Because if you're in the human moment,

7:03

you die. You better think way out ahead. So

7:06

you've disembodied. And

7:08

your body is in this moment, but

7:10

your mind is in this moment and

7:13

you're thinking ahead as this is where

7:15

very. Few people passionate little planes but

7:17

in as the planes he said it's

7:19

controlled flight into terrain meaning. As.

7:22

A pilot you think you have control of the

7:24

flight to the minute you're dead. You decide to

7:26

the side the mountain and you're like oh I

7:28

wasn't born without thinking and he said so. I

7:30

think it feels like you look like you're living

7:32

beyond human scale of like. Like. Some

7:34

I'm I found my laptop and I'm trying to get signals

7:37

from outer space of my foil the my hair. Shut

7:39

up. You don't know me. For

7:42

Diddy. But he did omaha. I

7:45

never went back to that guy again as like

7:47

a Us visa leave me alone but I thought

7:49

about it ever said. So I wanted to do

7:51

the series on Living Beyond Human Scale. Were.

7:54

Just embodied. Were.

7:57

Not covered in our bodies were

7:59

not ground. Id and were been swept

8:01

away by and change. And so that's what

8:03

this was so soliciting. So we start our

8:05

mocking us with Astaire per Hour which is

8:08

great. What were your Big G take away

8:10

from that that the podcast. With us there

8:12

was never one. I just thought it

8:14

was. Really fun to be at

8:16

South by Southwest for that conversation and

8:18

to have the live audience that's I see.

8:22

The. Conversation just about social

8:24

Media A comparison and.

8:27

The connection is not really real and

8:29

I love how you kind of raymond

8:31

sometimes about social media is not a

8:33

tool for connection. Yeah as a

8:35

communication to yeah. And sightings for me.

8:37

That's where I sat in the conversation.

8:40

With. This their I think my big tag.

8:42

Away from hers when seen have thought. That

8:44

that image for the podcast on social media said

8:46

i have a thousand friends but no one to

8:48

feed my cat is it is. That is exactly

8:50

zero. Point I think like. Die.

8:52

We have ten or fifteen or something

8:54

million followers. On social media

8:57

I do get. I

8:59

know, twenty of them suspicious,

9:01

and then whatever. Twenty minus

9:03

fifteen million as that number.

9:06

Forty percent of them are just following hoping

9:08

that something really terrible happens to me. and

9:10

they've got some good collective Saddam Freud be

9:13

seen as I used to. Yeah, yeah yeah.

9:15

Once you get those numbers you got like

9:17

every week on Instagram I get something as

9:19

as. You add one hundred and

9:22

something thousand followers. That we believe or

9:24

spam. Yeah, unlike what Mister Nice they can

9:26

say to balance the people who are actually

9:28

real her hateful. but it's it's just. I

9:31

don't. I don't think we're built for it. so. Easy as he

9:33

frames it as artificial intelligence. Ah, the

9:35

ai as artificial intelligence. I loved that.

9:37

Oh yes, artificial intimacy. Oh yeah, or

9:39

yeah, I saw it on Illicit to

9:41

allow certain and I think. I

9:44

guess what? Am I did take away that I thought

9:47

of a lot? Is that attention as an undervalued form

9:49

of love. Ah yes! It's

9:52

Big. Yup, Highly

9:54

recommend Zola! Cinema say that. All of

9:57

them Okay Then we talked to William

9:59

Brady as. Your browser therapist.

10:01

Amazing. Live

10:03

conversation, funny fund.

10:06

And. Hard and really about loves.

10:09

Yeah, It. Was definitely there

10:11

are a lot of truth and that.

10:14

Then William Brady. Who is a scientist scientist

10:16

and he is so interesting because he said

10:18

his moral outrage on social media and the

10:21

importance and helpfulness of moral outrage or mean

10:23

there's a lot of shit we should be

10:25

absolutely outraged about. Mean if you look at

10:27

the treatment of some the student protesters if

10:29

you look at what's going on and Dawes

10:31

if you look at what's going on the

10:33

sedan congo me like is is a response

10:35

to that is not moral outrage. Then

10:39

I think something is wrong. What

10:41

I learned from this though. Was.

10:44

Helpful because this was the

10:46

start. Of this for me. Of.

10:52

understanding. And.

10:54

We talking about an indictment of late stage

10:56

capitalise on like. What

10:59

happens when you've got

11:01

technology including social media?

11:05

That's built. To.

11:09

Leverage human vulnerability

11:12

for commercial gain.

11:15

That is my big take away

11:17

from all this. Be honest with

11:19

you, what happens when moral outrage?

11:22

If. You stay the concept of moral outrage.

11:25

Which. I mostly state other people's research

11:27

on. I'll say it myself, but you

11:29

understand it does serve a purpose. Get

11:31

A It can be a catalyst for

11:33

activism and change in wonderful things. They

11:35

can also lead to dehumanization. Like for

11:38

me I just use the student protesters

11:40

as an example of he had the

11:42

treatment of them by armed basically military

11:44

looking police on campuses. To me great

11:46

moral outrage and me. The.

11:49

Treatment. Of. Jewish

11:51

students on campus. Also

11:53

creek moral outrage and me

11:55

and so I think one

11:57

of the problems. Is

12:00

that? With. Moral outrage

12:02

also comes to self righteousness

12:04

that we become the monster

12:07

were trying to kill. Yeah,

12:09

And i think what one thing that was

12:11

so into see this conversation for me was

12:13

kind is it. Common

12:15

enemy, intimacy and as vicious cycle

12:18

of. Connection.

12:20

That's not real, but oh do we hate the

12:22

same people so you kind of by yourself on

12:24

the. Extreme.

12:27

End of the spectrum because

12:30

years so. Looking

12:32

to belong to a group of people?

12:34

Gas and who when? Doctor Brady's how

12:37

about I thought it was really powerful

12:39

to find yourselves isn't as vicious cycle

12:41

of. Looking. For

12:44

connection. But is that really where you're gonna

12:46

find it? And is that really what you

12:48

believe? Are you just so far and now

12:50

to the connection that you think you have

12:52

with this community. And the

12:54

I do think that. There.

12:56

Are people in My life that unconnected to

12:58

genuinely. And

13:01

there is room for disagreement. In

13:04

Those relationships. That.

13:07

Counterfeit connection around moral outrage.

13:10

Is. So powerful. And

13:13

then the that the social. Learning of oh

13:15

the more outraged I am and in his

13:17

study that shows like they looked at power

13:19

hundreds of thousands of tweets and these things

13:22

and that it's talk to the people who

13:24

turn out to be less pissed off and

13:26

outraged. Then. What

13:28

They appear in their social and their avatars

13:30

on social media. but they're trying to belong

13:32

to a group of people. And more

13:34

outrageous you are. And they're. Harder

13:37

your comments are. The

13:39

more the algorithm put it in of

13:41

everyone eggs. Still a little sad part

13:43

to me. Yeah, because this is. Where

13:45

commerce meets exploitation of human

13:48

people. Because.

13:51

They. Need us to stay on

13:53

these platforms to service ads in

13:55

the second we forget that. Which.

13:58

Is fox yeah. King.

14:00

I mean we really are because.

14:03

I. Saw this are willing to this and the podcast

14:06

page on what every by to watch it is like

14:08

was life changing to me sending it to my kids.

14:11

There was a psychologist from

14:13

Oxford talking about are some

14:15

mental illnesses, illnesses or hashtag

14:18

and what happens when the

14:20

velocity of messaging around as

14:22

if you. Have these three things:

14:24

You have this diagnosis. Oh man. If

14:27

you have these for things you're probably this.

14:29

if you have these six I mean let

14:31

me tell you I'm not even kidding you

14:33

like I'm I take this test I was

14:35

out what I had such as a as

14:37

I am look at me like of a

14:40

social scientists. I'm like oh my god I

14:42

now I have five of these five things.

14:44

This is my diagnosis for sure and I'm

14:46

just not getting the right medication and if

14:48

I do get. The right medication. For.

14:51

Whole life is gonna be great, but in

14:53

the next wave you'll exactly see what you

14:55

need to take. For. That to be better

14:57

I now and then the next slide little tell. You

14:59

whatever you do too. I had

15:01

that medication. I mean you're like.

15:04

I know. Yeah, so I

15:06

think William Brady of A Lot to teach us

15:09

about polarization. About again, if

15:11

you're not. Outrage were some. Is that you're saying

15:13

you're not paying attention. But.

15:16

My. Whole new thing about advocacy

15:18

and activism. It's

15:22

an interesting place where that dissects

15:24

with my. Wouldn't

15:26

discuss the word I'm looking for dissects

15:29

Intersects Heirs have club dang son of

15:31

a secret suggests it. Sorry. For

15:36

the wizards. Of

15:38

yesterday was issue the twelve. Death.

15:40

Twenty eight years of sobriety yesterday, so

15:43

happy Birthday didn't give. This.

15:45

Is Rising about activism now? Hey

15:48

friend! You. Take your inventory

15:50

about your activism and I'll take my

15:52

inventory about my activism. He.

15:55

Have no idea what I'm doing. You have no idea

15:57

what I'm giving. You have no idea who I'm talking

15:59

to, who and. Into I'm Calling Every week.

16:01

You don't know anything about what I'm doing

16:03

and it. You're going to evaluate what my

16:05

activism. From. What?

16:07

I do and social you have no understanding me

16:10

as me at all and I do the same

16:12

thing about you so I'll take my inventory. On.

16:15

Activism you take your inventory and my

16:17

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16:19

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supply. Let's.

18:15

Go to the next person. As craig lot

18:17

going on this was jailed to. Okay,

18:20

y'all need to listen to him. He

18:22

has a joint appointment at University of

18:25

Texas at Austin, her com an Mit

18:27

and I think the big take away

18:29

for me is that. When.

18:32

We start unleashing a i

18:34

invulnerable. Industries.

18:37

Like. Are. Vulnerable.

18:40

Spaces. Like police seen

18:43

prisons, healthcare, And.

18:45

We're not careful, Ai is just

18:47

a machine that people put stuff

18:49

in side of and will be

18:51

scaling and justice. And so the examples

18:54

he gives about that are so

18:56

powerful and I love where's that

18:58

quote. He taught me

19:00

the phrase the Alignment Problem I think the

19:02

praise the twenty years old that the Alignment

19:04

problem with a I scientists are we building

19:06

systems that are aligned with our values as

19:08

a democratic society. And the answer right now

19:10

is now. Seeing. What is you

19:12

think about the Us? I mean. Number

19:15

One. I was so grateful that he

19:17

spoke to us in terms that were

19:19

so easy to understand. Yeah, oh yeah

19:21

he's so good. Yeah he's so that

19:23

I love the he talked about the

19:25

right people been at the table to

19:28

do the ai systems. And

19:30

I are soldiers! Really loved.

19:33

Every. He really brought in to soak is for

19:35

me. Ai

19:37

is is what we make it. Yeah, and.

19:40

We're. Gonna screwed up for were going to make

19:42

a great and the other thing is that he

19:44

talked about that i thought was really. Disturbing.

19:48

Kind of. But and then. At

19:50

the same time hopeful to someone talking about

19:52

it is. That. We just don't

19:54

have any guard rails yet to wasn't about

19:56

nine. Years like he

19:58

was, he was the first. My enters

20:00

his courses with as was like the

20:02

first time I understood what the consequences

20:05

are. When. Tech move faster

20:07

than policy isn't. I

20:10

mean he said we're gonna look back way into the As

20:12

and be like what? Does the and are

20:14

we thinking and this idea that

20:16

when you're building a i. It's

20:19

great to have the engineers and the computational

20:21

mathematicians at the table, but you better have.

20:23

The ethicist, The people with

20:25

lived experience the liberal arts

20:27

folks. Like shot out all the liberal arts

20:29

people. Let's go. He asked the social workers.

20:32

the. Human as they better be at

20:34

the table to he I have a

20:36

last are just really lovely. Give a

20:38

shout out when he said, well so

20:41

far as thirty minute conversation, these said

20:43

scary Six tired or that's right, Yeah,

20:45

sure that you're smiling. From earlier to

20:47

see that a talk show off while I got

20:50

court and he was so gray late gay at

20:52

us so we love that part. I'm. So.

20:55

Thank you to him to. Okay so Jennifer bounty

20:58

know De Vries and Michael. Color both

21:00

New York Times just

21:02

Award winning. Journalist. They.

21:05

Wrote a piece for the New

21:07

York Times or bouts young girl

21:09

influencers on Instagram. Her managed by

21:12

their moms and then stopped by

21:14

men. And. Disco.

21:17

Lot a comments in A lot of feedback

21:19

across social. this was a hard conversation. It

21:22

really was. Yes, You. Know and. They're

21:25

reporting as am not. everyone's going to

21:27

go on their methodology but as as

21:29

a researcher I thought their methodology was

21:31

just so elegant and sophisticated. An amazing.

21:33

I thought the article was really disturbing

21:36

and scary and. Sad about.

21:39

Parents. running influence or

21:41

counts of young girls not really often

21:43

making a ton of money but gain

21:45

a lot of free stuff. And.

21:47

Then. The

21:50

men who follow those accounts and

21:52

release and. Completely

21:56

disturbing. Lewd. Inappropriate.

21:59

sexual. His. Comments:

22:02

In are scary and it was interesting because

22:04

I think we talk very much about how

22:06

you're reading. this in your focus is just

22:09

like where these mom's during, where these mom's

22:11

doing and in the invisibility. Of

22:14

the men. And.

22:18

I. Think the many to be held accountable. And

22:22

I don't think there there's there again. no guard

22:24

rails. Know. Elysee. The platforms

22:26

do exactly what they want. Yeah.

22:30

No. It's such an important piece to

22:32

understand, but it was also kind

22:34

of the underbelly of what social

22:36

media can be. But it's also

22:38

important to understand. You know his. Mom's.

22:41

Have kids and understanding what social media

22:43

isn't what it is is an. End

22:46

the conversation. I thought it was really

22:48

interesting that when they talk to they

22:50

talked to so many of the people

22:53

that they were interviewing that age and

22:55

start of most of them started off

22:57

and just site simple. Ways.

23:01

To really. Showcase. What

23:03

their kids are doing and all the sender

23:06

just materialize into this. Monster.

23:08

Thing almost that they couldn't sit down and.

23:10

So. I thought that was really interesting aspect and

23:12

that's where I was like really pause and doubles

23:15

like on the couldn't Shut Down. The

23:17

yeah. You know they

23:19

can set it down. They can set it

23:21

down. Yes. But

23:23

if you're listen, you're thinking yeah, you can

23:25

set it down. Well. Are

23:28

you listening right now And social media is hurting

23:30

you? But you're scrolling anyway? I know. Yeah, I

23:32

mean, Or are you. On social

23:34

media? Yeah, Are you scrolling Vs? Does

23:36

it hurt you? Yes, Yes. At one

23:39

thirty am when I'm like damn, I

23:41

gotta be up to five, Yes, Yes,

23:43

yes. And set you know mentally Isn't

23:45

all of it? Yeah. So and now

23:47

we're we as somebody and our organization.

23:50

The other day we had this conversation

23:52

and in you ask them. Why?

23:54

Are you so on Sesame and I can't

23:57

remember what their response was, that it was

23:59

something along the. That because this is how

24:01

we all stay connected and communicate with each

24:03

other and want to mess and aghast. How

24:05

do I and I don't know? I

24:08

got a as a me for years I just a

24:10

mental health other than as a kind of a public

24:12

figure and. Literally. You

24:14

know me, probably better than. You've

24:17

known me since the moment they brought you'd

24:19

Actually, I know. I mean, can you think

24:21

of anyone who's less cut out to be

24:23

public? The Me know? I keep. I

24:26

mean. I'm super

24:28

introverted, And I get

24:31

my feelings hurt. Yeah, And I

24:33

keep my feelers open because that's what my research part

24:35

of me like: cities that I'm terrible at. It

24:37

and. Everyday and thinking. And

24:40

to set this whole thing down. And. As

24:42

such a double edged sword, this conversation

24:44

was really helpful and is kind. I'll

24:46

a sign the light in. Some.

24:49

Areas to. Pay. Attention to them as

24:51

a good conversation like that either

24:53

own caption I think on social

24:55

media ironically. That.

24:59

I. Got really judge he. I

25:02

came out that podcast saying I'm a

25:04

lock. All the men up for our

25:06

yeah and there are many. Get the

25:09

moms and some deep therapy and then

25:11

I'm in a. Enact the rules

25:13

that they haven't for And France No

25:15

one under eighteen on social media. Yeah,

25:18

And. Not a game but your kids

25:20

pictures up as it were done

25:22

like ice. Unlike us allies closet

25:24

dictator says that they're gonna say. I

25:28

want to hear it. It was really good

25:30

conversation. As hard as it was it was. Really go

25:32

to and helpful. Deaths of

25:34

a Sudden are crossover episode

25:37

was Amy Web and see

25:39

is incredible. She is. What?

25:42

What's that? is this whole thing that she says that

25:44

she is. So strategic foresight, Strategic

25:46

foresight. okay I just think she's about

25:48

as burrow pat ya citizens the crossover

25:51

episode where it was under to leave

25:53

and unlocking us and. If

25:56

you could see the line as south by

25:58

southwest every year to get into. Her talk

26:00

and my probably that twenty percent will get in

26:02

and the other eighty percent do not get and

26:04

yeah people are in line for talk. is it

26:07

ten at four o'clock in the morning to get

26:09

at exists because she'll say here he I shall

26:11

say Here's what's common. Here's where we

26:13

are. This. Is how it's gonna

26:15

go in. It's amazing and she's in a

26:18

borderline prophetic and her what she says. I

26:20

love this conversation. I thought it was

26:23

so good and am again she has

26:25

it incredible way to make really complicated

26:27

things easy to understand it all out

26:29

as he had a really good metaphor

26:31

in here that I'll let you explain

26:34

about the into the oh yeah it's

26:36

staring into the turn to the curve.

26:38

Or it was during the ice pass.

26:40

yeah I. She's like where we are

26:42

basically is when you're driving and you

26:45

had a patch of ice. your. Human

26:47

reflexes, the slam on the brakes and first

26:49

year out of it and what you have

26:51

to do Because she grew up in a

26:53

place with a lot eyes as you have

26:55

to keep your foot off the brake and

26:58

stare into a little bit and she said

27:00

that the uncertainty were and right now like

27:02

we're having some spinney out of control. I

27:04

stars and we've got to take a deep

27:06

breath. Maintain. Some

27:08

composure and steer intuit a little

27:10

bit until we can gain

27:12

control of. You know, Really.

27:15

I think the car. In

27:18

this metaphors are nervous system is

27:20

why is it until we can

27:22

do that? So I thought the

27:24

metaphor was incredible. I also thought

27:26

the information that we're in a

27:28

technology super cycle three big things

27:30

which is artificial intelligence. Were.

27:33

Bulls isn't which will it If you listen

27:35

you're like oh my god I'm not going

27:37

to be doing that. Are not going to

27:39

work with a helmet on my head that

27:41

kasino my thoughts on to a wall that

27:43

it up or that wearable all over me

27:45

right now like I've got an aura reign

27:47

of these are wearable and in the last

27:50

one is biotechnology and. And. Thus coming

27:52

does he'll be asked. Yeah, that's the thing

27:54

that artificial intelligence that I think. I'm

27:57

not saying if you're if you're on Facebook that

27:59

era. Like me but. The. Facebook

28:01

comments were so decidedly different on these

28:04

pasta to be hello, the lights on

28:06

not gonna do it. Or

28:08

not gonna do artificial. Intelligence. I don't believe

28:10

in that we're losing our minds

28:12

and it reminds me of me.

28:14

Mod The Piggly Wiggly. This site's

28:17

everybody. Every person in mid life

28:19

has a line weather like. I.

28:22

Don't give a shit whether I'm older, not.

28:24

I'm not doing this party and. I

28:27

think our grandmothers me mas was like i'm

28:29

not getting money out of a machine and

28:31

the wall and on that put nations are

28:33

not you and a T M but when

28:35

she went to Piggly Wiggly the grocery store

28:37

suri really big and as I guess I'm

28:39

in Texas a cell phone orders but can

28:42

imagine people the north would have a store

28:44

called the Piggly Wiggly but see where they

28:46

were still getting groceries an area to ninety

28:48

nine to ninety nine. Cents

28:50

and she was so appalled and she

28:52

said i, I just don't think it's

28:55

fair to keep as people travel to

28:57

dump like that underneath this conveyor belt

28:59

looking up and read no signs to

29:01

people like to Ninety Nine. Explained

29:05

that read a bar

29:07

codes. What? Are

29:10

you like do here? Do things coming your way?

29:12

I'm done with that. Now our eyes is the

29:14

backside. Are you know how many years ago it

29:17

was? Probably. Like sixty years

29:19

ago and I remember sitting on my

29:21

back patio with my teacher friends and

29:23

I was I: i'm never gonna text.

29:26

Like. Why would people. See.

29:29

Made me take the was so funny

29:31

so I don't know my line right?

29:34

Answer. Really curvy line pride. Say what

29:36

I do hate is when my forty year

29:38

old has to teach. Me something on my oh

29:41

yeah and I know that hey this yeah. But

29:43

daughter the I do love about Amy's talk

29:45

was that concept of gin T o generation

29:47

transition yeah said that that was really powerful

29:50

to to all of us no matter how

29:52

we are going to be in that area

29:54

where all the generation transition for sure that's

29:56

fine it right over your lied places as

29:58

you notice. Yeah. Why

30:01

did tell you this she has agreed to but

30:03

she done Answer: I'm a guy. Is not true.

30:05

Oh I am a good reason Hundred

30:08

and ah, we seek it.on the podcast

30:10

one day and ask him who's the

30:12

better responder. Nevermind. Oh

30:14

yeah. Let's

30:17

call him less know I'm right now in

30:19

one maybe two years. He called me once

30:21

a week and asked if you're dead zone

30:23

Our success. Of days. Then.

30:26

We taught to love this conversation to

30:28

visit dig. At this point I was

30:30

like. Candidate not

30:32

Doom and Gloom, but I was kind of

30:34

going back and forth between. Okay, I understand

30:36

the cost, but what of the possibilities? But

30:39

I will say to you before you say what you're

30:41

going to say today, I know you're going. One thing

30:43

I do love about Amy's. Talk. In

30:45

ways she said is what an exciting time

30:47

in his entered the workforce. Oh yeah I'm

30:50

for young people and I and I did

30:52

think that that that did so. really hopeful

30:54

for me because we have a lotta really

30:56

amazing young people come in and right now

30:59

to the Us for sale and I thought

31:01

thousand. Important and it'll hopefully to you back

31:03

and eerie say. Oh

31:05

yeah, so lisa. Give Albert so she

31:08

talks about a I for good and some

31:10

the things that are happening. How.

31:13

People are using a I, for example

31:15

lesson plans for teachers on I'm Like.

31:17

I said I was thinking like when she said that

31:19

people are putting in their lesson plans and they're like.

31:23

Give me for different reading levels

31:25

two languages. I was like. What?

31:27

The heck, I didn't even do lesson plans

31:29

on my computer until the very into my

31:31

teaching career. I can read them. Yeah.

31:34

I mean it's incredible, right to the him

31:36

and plans for kids who have. To miss

31:38

You know, two or three weeks of school because of

31:40

illness. Or you know, family. Emergencies, you know, just

31:43

as a seat And this is what.

31:45

We've been doing with the great catch

31:47

up plans for someone in this grade.

31:49

With this reading level you know, and

31:51

this proficiency here, that's the best way

31:53

to cats has been like that as.

31:55

As As and I was incredible. I

31:57

was really sucks in her conversation. There

31:59

was still says a digital divide. I

32:02

had no idea when she talks about

32:04

the work that they do to get

32:06

people email addresses. Guess they go into

32:08

libraries and help people set up email

32:11

addresses? I don't think I even understood.

32:15

Number. One, what are you need an

32:17

email address for? to that against take it

32:19

for granted and number two that there are

32:21

people out there that don't have internet and

32:24

or have email address and say I was

32:26

surprised by that and so grateful for the

32:28

work they're doing to catch everybody up. And.

32:31

That area. Huge. And the role

32:33

of libraries especially as are just funding

32:36

them here left and right. I

32:40

think I your love for libraries and

32:42

librarians has rubbed off on me In

32:44

Seattle is really important. When she said

32:46

that our. Libraries, their labors, or

32:48

where people go for high speed

32:50

internet when they don't have it

32:52

home. And so when you defined

32:54

a library, you can change the

32:56

economic future of an entire family

32:58

of cut that shit out. So

33:01

this was really good so we sick of

33:03

over for a I for good Also. Google

33:06

certificates was a conversation. Here

33:08

how. And

33:11

I just read an article about. Google

33:14

offers certifications and technology.

33:17

That you don't. Have to have a four year degree? Do.

33:20

And they're online and asynchronous mean you can

33:22

be can be passing out soon Some job

33:24

waiting tables I always referred have access what

33:26

I did for some years but at during

33:29

the day or whatever and then take these

33:31

classes at night or vice versa So they're

33:33

super flexible classes as the and you're certified

33:35

to do a tech job and you're certified

33:38

from google and he says are making six

33:40

figures and changing families trajectory. I. Mean it's

33:42

incredible. Yeah they'll dollar be as I did

33:44

see the other piece. I really love to

33:46

it and leases conversation was the human loop

33:49

but I think it is ties back to

33:51

other conversations that the humanness of the Ai

33:53

system that we're building in the technology. Yeah

33:55

keep a human in the loop. And so

33:57

I think it was as card watkins that.

34:00

Bad: It's interesting what people said

34:02

from the top se or. For. Else

34:04

had a i artificial intimacy

34:06

issues. Craig Watkins

34:08

said. A I should

34:10

be augmented intelligence cause it should

34:12

be augmenting human intelligence not his

34:15

own who's And then we have

34:17

Doctor Joy our final like. What?

34:19

A way to in. Iraq is One of

34:21

our colleagues at me attack our first of all

34:24

three or four of the people who work here

34:26

from the youngest keyboard see the most senior tax

34:28

to me and said the were the youngest people

34:30

taxes. And said. Oh. My

34:32

God Doctors Way and then when I'm

34:34

a senior people said doctors always career

34:37

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36:01

a I she is.

36:05

The founder of the algorithmic

36:07

Justice League season. Mit researcher,

36:09

an artist, a poet, a Rhodes

36:12

scholar, a Fulbright fellow, a recipient

36:14

of the Technological Innovation Award from

36:16

the Martin Luther King Jr. Center.

36:19

I mean, see, Really

36:22

walked me through it. She.

36:25

Is so incredible and. Oh.

36:27

She's so funny as he so human

36:29

a had yeah we see this talks

36:32

of like. I. Ave

36:34

months read because of yells conversational

36:36

I'm like. Well.

36:38

As he could do that. so he

36:40

I did. As close as we see

36:43

that particular about like as he knows

36:45

he can be a Fulbright scholar so

36:47

kid I you know the I. I

36:49

just love the possibilities that come along

36:51

with listening. To Doctor Joy. It's

36:53

incredible. Yeah and how she said accused

36:55

her life to looking at a I

36:58

and technology. And.

37:01

Some. People call a I generative. Intelligence

37:03

or generative learning. And she's like,

37:06

know, their regurgitating is regurgitating is

37:08

because they've been said. Your books.

37:11

Yeah. Either regurgitating that stuff and so

37:13

she really talks. About equity

37:15

and justice and

37:17

incense. And yes,

37:19

she just. The

37:22

daughter of a scientists and artists. Bringing

37:24

poetry and toting. Into.

37:28

A Just as lens. Amazing! Yeah,

37:30

I mean her study on tinder

37:32

seeds? I could not even wrap

37:35

my head around. How. People

37:37

How. Countries.

37:39

Where near seen the. Been

37:42

able to identify people based on the

37:44

color of their skin and the seeds

37:47

of their skin. I was in awe

37:49

of her approach to what she was

37:51

doing. A little. Mortified

37:53

that. We.

37:55

Were doing better. Yeah, No yeah, I mean.

37:58

What a group of people! Oh my gosh,

38:00

I feel like we're so lucky. Yeah, so I for

38:02

so like it. Here is a job. As

38:05

a able to talk to these helps them learn so

38:07

me as he doesn't put on the spot. Okay great.

38:10

What? Did you learn that's changed

38:12

how you're thinking about your.your

38:14

fourteen year old daughter? Social

38:16

Media use. Let

38:19

us not the questions that. You can ask. He.

38:22

Knows I think we're at a

38:24

really weird time since his and

38:26

fourteen so sees. Some

38:29

friends don't have phones yet Some

38:31

friends have phones that no social

38:34

media and was interesting is. They.

38:37

Feel like it's so critical to be long

38:39

for belonging and so I you know we

38:41

have a rule that we go through it

38:43

together and anytime I want to say like

38:45

hey let's check in as we all had

38:47

this rule for our kids are to get

38:49

started with he says thank you for that

38:52

Though when they started on social media they

38:54

had to start they can only follow this

38:56

the on to use for ever. And

38:59

so I figure is really helpful.

39:02

Good little start to navigate Instagram

39:04

and I just this week. Letter

39:07

get snapped had an i mean

39:09

it's fun. To. Watch her

39:11

like I love how see. Alice

39:14

The word I'm looking for. The.

39:16

Style see has on Instagram. oh god it

39:18

yet you liked developing a static that sorry

39:20

ass and I love that is so fine

39:22

as private says if why I that was

39:24

like we're on lockdown on all the ago

39:26

yes it but I the kids' sake. Having

39:29

to be really careful, it's it's such

39:31

a great opportunity for trust building with

39:33

us. On because. Who.

39:36

She had to sign a contract. Number one.

39:38

Like here all the rules for social media

39:40

Here are the things that keep that you

39:42

if you do these will lose social media

39:44

and we also have a three strikes rule

39:47

around the house. Like if she's not been

39:49

helpful or unhygienic, chores done that strike one

39:51

site to start to your social media signed

39:53

me I think. It's health

39:55

a lot of ways, and I think

39:57

we've also had our conversations about. People.

40:00

Always sharing the best of them on social media

40:02

and to watch out. The. Not

40:05

everybody has the best of everyday. I

40:08

think is interesting and. Hard.

40:12

I think it's hard. My. Kids

40:14

are older. they teach me a lot. You

40:16

know he either. There, you know? I

40:18

think in one this the pod guess I talked

40:20

about my two buttons that I use when I'm

40:23

scrolling through all of the experts. If you have

40:25

these are things in the you mean have this

40:27

if you have these for things oh did you

40:29

know and in the ones that for virally vulnerable

40:31

to me that make me super hateful were like

40:33

oh it's apparent with dementia you can not have

40:35

dementia if you eat in oh my gosh yes

40:37

do as you see others like a they must

40:39

have known that's that Mom had that. That's.

40:43

Kind of ghriskey. Experts

40:46

a cool you. I

40:48

know it's like no zero credentials

40:50

for some of these people can

40:52

about really important thing yeah and

40:55

that's really I. Think. I think

40:57

is why when of social media. Yeah because

40:59

I was scrolling through that one day I just

41:01

saw I was so heartbroken to those cards for

41:03

the end of mom's life and it was he.

41:05

Are you taking care of them as image or

41:07

you to do these three things if you're take

41:09

whatever you do don't do these do they know

41:11

the same things about and I was doing like

41:13

overwhelmed and then I came up. In

41:16

the seed and they had clip something

41:18

that made me seemed so certain and

41:20

so definite. you know because on social

41:22

media as I were really careful about.

41:25

We. Have to review Clips now because they

41:27

have the part where I say you know

41:29

geez, I don't really know where I don't

41:31

study that are I'm unsure, I'm struggling the

41:33

of myself and in a lead. The definitive

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part. And then I'm like I can't be

41:38

another one of these people contributing to this

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bullshit. And so that's why when offer year

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classes like a can't I can't do that

41:45

because of more. I understand. The.

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Last by now Mercer. Yeah, and so

41:49

I think that has hard. I'm grateful

41:51

for every one who was part of

41:53

the series for Sir. Yeah and out

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the molesting allow his dad. at least it's

41:58

been fun to be back out. The road

42:00

and do all these big events and I

42:02

think was been so and to see is

42:04

just how. Ai as

42:07

the topic of so many conversations

42:09

and or and organizations and big

42:11

conferences and big Hr conferences that

42:13

we've done lately and I think

42:15

it was so helpful. To.

42:18

Hear all these different

42:20

perspectives. There. Were some

42:22

overlaps and how people are thinking

42:25

but the different perspectives x specially

42:27

when we hear what's going on

42:29

inside organization that think it was

42:31

really helpful to have this series

42:34

right now and said sir. Transformational

42:37

Time and the world. Of

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a i agree athletic City on top of that

42:42

which we have we talked about publicly as as

42:44

I said I'm in the middle coming. maybe. Seventy

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percent in to. Understand

42:49

the skill set that we're gonna need. To.

42:51

Navigate as at work and so much

42:54

unit leader said in a I for

42:56

non coding people. What skills

42:58

are we going to need to survive

43:00

the change that's coming? And so to

43:02

have this podcast series On top of

43:05

that research that we're doing right now

43:07

and then on top of been out

43:09

talking to people as then exciting my

43:11

angry yeah and. I

43:13

think people will be surprised by the skillset when we get

43:16

there. I can say this

43:18

is is it. You don't have

43:20

to know Python other things assad

43:22

about coding skills, but it is

43:25

about probably some neuroplasticity and really.

43:28

Been. In our bodies to understand how much

43:30

are nervous system can take a not take

43:32

and how to regulate emotion probably the Arabic

43:35

parts of it or I will. Thanks for

43:37

doing this summary with me. A. Sudden.

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