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I'm Vicki Patterson and welcome back to part

0:38

two of The Secret of Saying Goodbye. We've

0:41

had all sorts on The Secret 2, to

0:43

be fair, and I always love to get

0:45

like the kind of backstage goss. We

0:48

had Jack Jasser on and I absolutely

0:50

loved Jacqueline on I'm a Celebrity. I

0:53

thought she was class, but

0:55

she talked loads about her time on East Enders

0:57

because she was on from quite a young age,

0:59

obviously, wasn't she? And it's like Britain's biggest soap.

1:02

Such an iconic thing to be on. And for as

1:04

long as she was, you know, some

1:06

of our storylines, God, how come we'll

1:08

forget? But yeah, I am

1:10

obviously being the top-notch journalist and interviewer

1:12

that I am, wondering what it was

1:15

like snocking on camera. You

1:18

can take the girl out of Newcastle, but you can't take

1:20

Newcastle out the girl. You went,

1:22

mate, from being like, like you say, 17,

1:25

being a fan of East Enders, watching it

1:27

as a kid, all the rest of it,

1:29

to being on the

1:31

screen in millions of homes every night.

1:34

How did you adapt? Like, that's a big

1:36

jump. It was

1:38

weird. Yeah, I mean, it was weird. I'll

1:42

be honest. And I think everyone

1:44

can't, like you said in this industry, like at the

1:46

beginning, I loved it.

1:49

Getting recognised, like, oh, this

1:52

is amazing. Like, I'm so famous. Oh

1:54

my God. So cool.

1:57

But I was young and it was like,

1:59

we... get into clubs for free and all my mates made

2:02

my, my, my, um, yeah,

2:05

like my friends got to come on the journey with

2:07

me, you know, we all get free drink and my

2:11

character was now Colic. So

2:13

like they just pile all these drink and

2:15

I'd be like, it was just

2:17

ridiculous. The

2:20

lanes would be blurred. Where does Lauren start?

2:22

Where does Jack end? It really, really would

2:24

be. I tell that lady's

2:26

coming up to me in the street. You've really

2:28

got to stop that drinking. You're not

2:31

right. You're too young. And I'm like, oh

2:34

no. Oh no Doris, that's

2:37

not me. She's got to

2:39

go longer there. Don't burst

2:41

their bubble. I remember reading

2:43

like years ago, remember Spider from Curry? And

2:45

there was that huge like, who, sorry, I

2:47

don't want to, I've not offended you by

2:50

talking about Curry have I? No. Oh God,

2:52

thank God. I watched your mom. I was

2:55

like, ah. And who on

2:57

text says that big rival? Rival team

2:59

is Denzel and Curry. It's so funny.

3:01

It makes me laugh. Very

3:04

good, thank God for that. Um, so

3:06

yeah, so remember the big who raped

3:08

Toya storyline. Yeah. Yeah. I remember,

3:10

it was, you know, it was very much

3:13

like the who shot Phil Mitchell and it

3:15

was that, oh God, it was an iconic

3:17

age of soaps. It was truly fucking brilliant.

3:19

Yeah. And I remember like, I remember reading

3:21

that like old women were like walking up

3:23

to them in the street and clouding them

3:25

with a handbag and being like, you want

3:27

to be fucking ashamed of yourself? And I

3:30

was like, shit. Like, that's the

3:32

thing. Like obviously I, a huge

3:34

fan of soaps look, but you do like

3:36

you watch these soaps and you start to

3:38

forget that there's an actor or an actress.

3:40

Like you see them as their character. Did

3:43

people totally blur the lines with you? 100%.

3:45

Yeah. 100%. And also my character was quite,

3:50

she was, she was like, she was, she

3:53

had a lot of boyfriends. I basically

3:55

quick kith like every man on the

3:57

square. Basically. Yeah, you did. just

4:00

snogged absolutely everyone. And

4:03

I was just like, I'm

4:06

rippling it and I'm like, oh, I'm going through

4:08

my kissing now. It was just crazy. Because she

4:10

was like, I'm always drunk

4:12

and stuff. People thought that I was

4:14

like that when I was out. And

4:16

actually, I'm like

4:18

a frigid bitch. I'll be totally honest with

4:20

you. Especially at 17, kind of. I

4:25

was terrified of boys. I was terrified. Terrified.

4:27

In fact, I think I

4:30

filmed like

4:32

a sex kind of scene. Obviously, you standards

4:34

don't do sex scenes. But like, led

4:37

to before I'd even properly experienced.

4:40

Yeah. Nauseously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,

4:42

because I was quite, and my

4:44

character was so, it was quite

4:46

difficult. Sometimes I'd be like, I

4:49

tried to put a lot of thought into playing

4:52

like this. No, doesn't give

4:54

a shit character. Dancing on tables. I

4:56

remember once I had to dance on

4:58

the Vic table in little

5:00

black shops. And it was just, that's very

5:03

not me. Like that is so far away

5:05

from Jacqueline. Well, my

5:07

friends are gonna be like, no, it's not.

5:09

But like, it's public. Sawed by Jacqueline. Like,

5:13

you know, like away from everyone as well. If

5:15

I'm in a safe environment, yeah, I'll

5:17

let loose and stuff, but I would never do it

5:19

like publicly at a table. So, so

5:21

I was like, I remember used to read scripts

5:23

and be like, what

5:26

am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? The

5:29

anxiety I would feel. A whole, like

5:31

everyone dreads Vic scenes anyway, because near

5:34

on the whole cast are in the Vic. When

5:36

there's a big, it's a big old, no,

5:38

I'm getting. But they're always the

5:41

best, Jack. They're always the most

5:43

iconic moments happening there. It's where people get

5:45

slapped. It's where drinks get thrown. It's where

5:47

things get revealed. And it's so

5:49

true. You know, when everyone's in

5:51

there for a party, it's gonna

5:53

be a blind. I don't know.

5:55

It's something terrible is gonna happen.

5:58

Someone's gonna die. I've

6:01

got to ask before I ask my

6:04

next serious questions. If you have snunked

6:06

your way through the square, who's the

6:08

best kisser? Oh God. I can't say

6:10

best kisser on the square. I can't

6:12

do it. I can't. I'll

6:15

tell you, my favourite partnership

6:18

was Peter

6:21

Bill, Lauren Brennan and Peter Bill, Ben

6:23

Hardy, all day long.

6:25

I know there's a new Peter now, but

6:27

just Lauren and Peter in general. I loved

6:30

Ben so much. We had

6:32

great, great chemistry. We worked.

6:35

And I just loved Lauren and

6:38

Peter. I thought they were like childhood sweethearts.

6:40

I just loved them. So

6:43

that's definitely my favourite part. But yeah, I did kiss pretty

6:45

much everyone. I'm not going to lie. Do

6:47

you know who I was terrified to kiss? Because

6:50

you know, you're talking about you see

6:53

characters as themselves. Yeah. Well, do you

6:55

remember Jamie Lomas, who was in Hollyoaks?

6:58

Yes, I do. Yeah, he was in Hollyoaks. And

7:00

then he came into his stenders and it's like

7:02

my relationship. What a safe slot. Yeah,

7:05

right. And I was like so nervous when

7:07

I found out it was him. Because I was like, who

7:10

did he play, Warren James? Warren James. He was a bad

7:12

bastard, wasn't he? He was a bad boy. And I used

7:14

to watch Hollyoaks. And I was like, ahh. He

7:17

was terrified. And actually he was just

7:19

like the loveliest guy. So not like

7:22

his character. He still called and had

7:24

that like bad boy sort of. He

7:27

was really lovely. So I

7:29

didn't need to be scared at all. But I

7:32

was like, I remember thinking, oh, oh, no.

7:35

I was very anxious. It's,

7:39

oh, she's fallen. I don't blame you

7:41

though, as well. Like I feel like,

7:43

honestly, I watch actors and actresses and

7:45

stuff. And like, obviously

7:47

given my background, it's just reality. So if I'm

7:49

ever kissing someone, like I'm actually kissing someone, do

7:52

you know what I mean? And like, yeah, you

7:54

want it. Yeah, I want it. Well, some of

7:56

it is I'm just drunk, but most of the

7:58

time I'm just drunk. I

8:00

actually want to. But yeah, like I watch actors

8:02

and even in films and stuff like, and you

8:05

know, me and I can always have this conversation

8:07

like we'll be watching something and I'm like, this

8:09

is the third film those two have been in

8:11

together. Do you think they're actually fancy

8:13

to do that? Do you think their wife

8:16

or their husbands are a bit pissed off?

8:18

Like I always think this because I've just

8:20

got no experience in TV, like with

8:22

these, with acting. You're

8:25

not wrong in the sense of like, I

8:28

think that sometimes lives are

8:30

definitely blurred across 100%. But

8:33

honest end is it was kind of

8:36

different just because you sit

8:38

in the lunch hall with them like as

8:41

yourselves. And it's just so not like that.

8:44

It's like going to work just like every

8:46

day you go to work, you film your

8:48

scenes and then you'd sit and like

8:51

jokes and crack on with your life. Like, it

8:54

wasn't so much I guess in

8:56

films can be quite intentional with

8:58

them continuously. But also,

9:01

there's nothing sexy about

9:03

snogging in front

9:05

of like, 16 people on

9:08

a set, or the

9:10

lighting blaring at you when you're about to kiss and

9:12

they go, hold on, hold on. Can we just get

9:14

that blood go because he's been crying just need to

9:16

wipe his nose. And you're like, there's

9:19

a bat in the cave. Yeah, that would kill my love

9:21

you do if I'm honest. It's

9:24

not, I used to have to kiss

9:26

Aaron Sidwell, who was like, a really

9:28

good friend of mine. We drive in

9:30

together because we lived near each other.

9:32

We drive in together and drive. And

9:34

honestly, he used to eat tuna sandwiches

9:36

on purpose just to be a dick.

9:38

We had that kind of relationship

9:40

where it was like so platonic. We

9:43

could not have fancied each other in

9:46

any way, shape or form. It was just

9:48

like, he'd be like, have

9:50

a tuna today. It

9:53

was so gross. Honestly

9:55

mate, regardless of these feelings, you never

9:57

would have known because not only did

10:00

you become a huge hit with audiences

10:02

and prove all of those initial naysayers

10:04

wrong. You fucking smashed it with the

10:06

critics as well, winning like best newcomer,

10:09

best actress, even sexiest female, you little

10:11

saw. But don't throw up Michelle Kagan out

10:13

the way. You'd

10:16

have never thought that was Jack's first podcast,

10:18

would you? She's just so, I

10:20

don't know, she's just so relatable and down to earth.

10:22

I'll love her. But yeah, we

10:25

popped our podcast cherry there. No

10:27

longer a virgin. Well done, girl.

10:29

Up next are podcast legends and podcasts,

10:31

Odd Couple, which other one made us

10:34

hear that, the fantastic Jordan North and

10:36

William Hansen. We are genuinely really

10:38

good, like best mates. I'm doing

10:40

a reading at his

10:42

wedding in September. Oh, stop. Congratulations,

10:45

Will. Thank you. Yes, we're... He's

10:47

getting married to a builder from

10:49

Wakefield. No, I'm not, I'm just

10:51

joking. Oh, I

10:53

would love it if you were. People

10:55

say to me all the time, are you actually friends?

10:57

He's coming round to mine for dinner,

11:00

tea on Thursday. So I actually

11:02

we might be going out, William,

11:04

because I'll see. That's fine. Are

11:06

we going to come to yours first and have sort of

11:08

can of paste? Come to mine first, can of paste, yeah.

11:10

Come to mine first, but the flat's in a bit of

11:12

a shit tip. So I might just go to pub near

11:14

me and get some at that. But that's dinner at my

11:16

house anyway. That's tea at mine,

11:19

Vicky. How lovely. So

11:21

I imagine dinner at your house and then

11:23

dinner at Will's house is very different affair.

11:27

Yes. On newly upgraded dining room

11:29

chairs now. We

11:31

were slightly delayed listeners restarting

11:34

this because I had to take a delivery of of

11:36

new dining chairs through my back passage. But they

11:39

were very nice, the back of

11:41

the side of the house. But the

11:43

they were very nice. The delivery man, you see, you

11:46

get what you pay for. They not only they brought

11:48

them in, you buy them in pairs, they brought them

11:50

in their boxes and I thought, OK, well, they'll just

11:52

drop them there. And then after the recording, they were

11:54

wearing their underpants. What?

11:57

They were coming in the boxes. not

12:00

boxers. And I thought, well, I'll

12:02

just say, lucky you, no wonder you paid more

12:04

for it, you dirty get. No wonder I was

12:07

late. And

12:11

no, but I thought, oh, they'll drop them there and sort

12:13

of I'll sign for them and then they'll go and after

12:15

the recording, I'll unbox them. But no, they unbox them. They

12:17

took off all the plastic and all the polystyrene and all

12:19

the awful stuff that comes on furniture

12:21

now and then took everything

12:24

away. So marvellous. Oh, that

12:26

is a real job well done. Yes,

12:28

I know that I'm a rare example

12:30

of quality delivery service.

12:33

Have you got shares in this company,

12:35

Willow? No, but I should. That's,

12:39

I wanted to ask you, I mean, not that I don't want

12:41

to talk about you down in room chairs. Well, I feel like

12:43

I have to say them. No, no, it's what the listeners want.

12:45

Yeah, I have to say them at the end of this. My

12:47

interest is peaked. But yeah, I wanted

12:50

to talk to you about the pod because I

12:52

love my podcast because it gives me

12:54

a chance to work, but not wear

12:56

makeup. Like literally, am I

12:59

wearing pants? Who knows? You know, I

13:02

love the relaxness of it. But when you

13:04

take it on tour, that to me is

13:06

going into real work territory.

13:08

It feels scary. It feels like nerve wracking

13:10

again. Like what made you just want to

13:13

take it on tour? Well,

13:17

I like talking to lots of people that are

13:19

physically in front of me. I mean, that's what

13:21

I do in my day job. I have groups

13:23

of whether they're, you know, I think the

13:26

biggest one before we started doing the tour, I mean,

13:28

well, at school, I should go back to school, you

13:30

know, we do readings in chapel every morning, I would

13:32

take it in turns. And that was in front

13:34

of 700 people. So it didn't sort of talking

13:36

to large groups of people doesn't massively faze me.

13:40

And then with my day job, when it's just me

13:42

and sort of having to improvise, I can

13:44

be talking to up to 100, 200 people sometimes.

13:46

Jordan, on the other hand, he's a

13:48

fascinating creature in so many levels. But

13:51

Jordan is incredibly good on stage when he goes

13:53

on and sort of Dr. Theatre

13:55

takes over and the adrenaline kicks in.

13:58

But leading up to that moment. Jordan

14:01

is a nervous wreck. Because in his day job

14:03

and on the podcast, his podcast is just going

14:05

to me. And on his day job,

14:08

he's talking to Vic, or to Hootwell, just to

14:11

himself before the drive show, and millions of

14:13

are listening, but he can't see them. Exactly.

14:16

You see, I get that, Jordan. That's

14:18

where I'm coming from. People

14:20

just think that I'm a lot better now

14:22

than what I used to be, but I

14:24

got terrible stage fright. I

14:27

remember when I was in local radio, and I

14:29

was on stage hosting an event, and

14:31

I just left halfway through. I

14:33

left the stage because I just couldn't get back on. Physically

14:36

couldn't get back on. I felt awful. But

14:39

yeah, William doesn't mind it so much, but

14:41

I'm all right once I'm on. Once I'm on for

14:43

the first ten minutes, and a couple

14:45

of jokes have landed and stuff, it's fine. But I think

14:47

the reason why we wanted to do it was, we

14:50

just started realising that we had these real loyal

14:53

listeners that were listening

14:55

every week, and we were like, let's go

14:57

out on tour for a laugh, and

15:00

let's kind of do the podcast, but

15:02

with some added extra live

15:04

elements. So when we go on tour, it's

15:06

not just our podcast on stage, and I've

15:08

been to see lots of podcast shows. And

15:11

there's no wrong with that, because I love them where it's

15:13

just literally the podcast on stage in front of an audience,

15:15

and that's fine, that's great. But we kind

15:17

of put on a show. We write little

15:19

skits, and we have a

15:21

lot of music and sketches, and the

15:24

last tour, the whole premise of it

15:26

was William Stagdo, because

15:32

he famously said, and

15:35

it's a meme that now pops up every six

15:37

months, we get tagged in it, and he was

15:39

on this morning with a Geordie lad who said,

15:41

Stagdo's a mint. Oh my

15:43

God, I remember. Yes. And

15:46

it always pops up as a meme saying Britain

15:48

in one sentence. The two types of British men.

15:50

The two types of British men, and William said

15:53

he would famously never go on a Stagdo. So

15:55

we were like, let's take him on 12 Stag.

15:57

Was it 12? We did. I

15:59

felt... like it. Yeah, it was it was enough. We

16:02

did like a tour. So we

16:04

went to Newcastle, Edinburgh, Manchester.

16:06

All the hot spots. Exactly. And

16:08

the premise of the tour was

16:11

William Stagley. I'm

16:14

actually good that I didn't get an invite now. Tell me

16:16

what you did. Well,

16:18

I think the low light

16:20

was being tied to a

16:23

chair with three dressing gown belts and

16:25

a pair of fluffy pink handcuffs. Because

16:28

we should also just point out Jordan has been known,

16:31

revealed on our podcast inadvertently, he protests that

16:33

he didn't mean what he said. I

16:35

don't believe him. Jordan pretended

16:37

well, Jordan presented

16:40

the fact that he might be of

16:43

an evening a little bit kinky. No,

16:45

right. That is bullshit. That is bullshit.

16:47

Somebody, a listener once texted him asking

16:49

if it was kinky. And I said

16:51

no. And Vicky, as a joke, just

16:54

as a joke, I said, I have

16:57

been tied up with a dressing gown belt before.

16:59

It was funny. And it's just snowballed

17:02

from there. Now, people think I'm into dressing gown

17:04

belts. I've got this kink where I want to

17:06

be tied up with this. And it's just snowball

17:09

from there. And sometimes, Vicky, you've

17:11

just got to own it. It's like, yeah, it's

17:13

like what you say, the lady doff test. And

17:15

I was like, I've not. It was a joke.

17:17

But now I'm just like, right, sack it. And

17:19

we've even got like merchandise dressing

17:21

gown belts. I was just

17:24

going to say, babe, like I've got my marketing

17:26

head on here. And you're missing a trick if

17:28

you don't get on that train. Honestly,

17:30

we have we have we've got we've got

17:33

help. I sexed my boss steamers, you know,

17:35

to steam your clothes. We've got

17:37

all like we've got I still don't a friend said to

17:39

me the other day, why are you doing steamers? And I

17:41

went, I don't I can't really remember. They

17:43

were cheap. Yeah, we've got

17:45

a whole load cheap. We said something and and then

17:48

the lovely people at Swan who do the steamers got

17:50

in touch and said, Oh, let's do our own. But

17:52

I can't really remember what we said to promote

17:55

to initially that we went down the steamer route. But

17:57

there we go. If I don't want to get

17:59

it. I sex with my boss, Steamer, after

18:01

this, I'm gonna be good at me. I'm sure

18:03

we can arrange that. Leave it with us. Yeah.

18:06

Yeah. Yeah. This

18:11

next part of the podcast is brought here

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by the Philips Lumia IPL hair removal devices.

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That's right. I'm back with some more getting

18:17

ready tips. Okay, I'm kicking off with something

18:19

quite controversial at first. Well, look, it's just

18:21

divisive. I feel like people are on either

18:23

sides of this, but this is my hot

18:25

take, right? I think you should do your

18:27

makeup first, before you dry your hair and

18:29

everything. Hair is out, hair is out, right?

18:32

So I think when you come out the bath

18:34

or the shower or whatever it is, and you

18:36

can like sit, do your skincare, then do your

18:39

makeup, take your time, leisurely pace, good music on,

18:41

glass of vino, all that sort of thing. I

18:43

feel like your hair can be dry and naturally.

18:45

And then when you come to give it that

18:47

old little blast with a hair dryer, that's all

18:49

it really needs. Then you do your styling, whatever.

18:51

And I sort of feel like nature does the

18:54

job for you. I

18:56

know some people are on opposite sides of that, but that's

18:58

how I feel. My second

19:00

top tip, and this one is a good

19:02

one, for girls like me, who might be

19:04

in the mid thirties, early forties, I've

19:06

definitely noticed that my under eyes are

19:09

just that little bit darker, that little

19:11

bit drier, not as firm as they used to

19:13

be. So I always wear those under eye patches

19:15

when I'm doing my eye makeup. Just so they've

19:17

got like a good 15 minutes

19:19

to sit there, the skin then absorbs all

19:22

the moisture. And when you're putting like your

19:24

concealer and your under eye bits on, it

19:26

sits better. It's that little bit firmer, more

19:28

hydrated, and you don't get as many fine

19:31

lines. And I feel like we

19:33

all get them. We're all getting

19:35

older. Gosh, I miss the days I had loads

19:38

of collagen. But anyway, those are my two top

19:40

tips for getting ready. So

19:43

last time, I spoke to you about some of

19:45

the things that you really need to know about

19:47

the Philips Lumia, if you're thinking of using it.

19:49

But this time around, I've got some pro tips

19:51

for you. Right, let's kick off with how you

19:53

can get the very best result. For the best

19:55

results with a Philips Lumia, it's

19:57

all about the prep. You need to remove the hair from

19:59

the surface. your skin first you can either do

20:01

this by shaving waxing epilate and whatever and

20:04

you need to do this about 24 hours

20:06

before using the lumea for some added TLC

20:09

exfoliation will also really help getting that lovely

20:11

smooth feeling additionally you guys know I love

20:13

a cheeky fake tan but if you are

20:15

someone who like me who enjoys using it

20:18

then make sure that's fully removed prior to

20:20

your IPL treatment because you want the light

20:22

to be absorbed by the hair follicles not

20:24

the tan I hope that makes sense I'm

20:26

not a scientist but I'm sure you girls

20:29

get it. My next

20:31

top tip to get the best results from

20:33

your Philips lumea at IPL is aftercare like

20:35

there is no downtime or recovery time needed

20:38

but I do have like a few little

20:40

recommendations on how you can get the best

20:42

look on your skin post IPL treatment so

20:45

directly after using your Philips lumea your skin

20:47

will be more sensitive therefore I recommend you

20:49

wait at least 24 hours

20:51

or until all the redness has disappeared before

20:53

exposing treated skin to the sun and I

20:56

would just absolutely avoid putting anything like retinol

20:58

straight on your face after the treatment oh

21:00

and don't forget to moisturize oh and don't

21:02

forget to moisturize I feel like that's just

21:05

good advice for life though oh

21:07

and don't forget as well locking each of your

21:09

treatments in the handy lumea app will help you

21:11

keep track as it sends you helpful reminders on

21:14

up and coming treatments as well as hosting a

21:16

wealth of additional tips and guidance support I know

21:18

I've gave you a couple but there really are

21:20

the experts for most of us IPL is an

21:22

investment so to keep it in great condition you

21:24

should be keeping your IPL device clean giving it

21:26

a wipe down after every use and just like

21:28

pop it in this little storage bag it is

21:30

really cute hopefully that provided you

21:32

with a few handy hints on getting ready

21:34

and some top tips so next time you

21:36

step out you look and feel your best

21:39

when it really matters so if

21:41

you choose to remove your hair as

21:43

a part of your routine and Philips

21:45

lumea IPL hair removal sounds like it's

21:47

right for you then you can find

21:49

lumea in most major retailers or visit

21:51

phillips.co.uk to find out more I absolutely

21:53

love it those

22:00

two. I just feel like they're so

22:02

funny. I've got a book out as well. If

22:04

anybody's interested it's really good. Now

22:06

we are massive Toei fans here at The

22:08

Secret 2 and we've had lots of cast

22:10

members on over the years, super grateful to

22:12

everybody for their time, but this

22:15

slot has to go to Essex's

22:17

First Lady. It's none of that

22:19

than Miss Georgia Kasulu. Gee

22:21

sometimes I fucking really earn

22:23

me money on this pod and I

22:25

feel like, oh, it's like

22:28

getting blood from a stone with me

22:30

guests. Not often I tend to attract

22:32

a lovely guest. I'm really lucky. So

22:34

many nice guests and

22:37

I would never name them more awkward ones

22:40

because I'm not a cunt, but when I

22:42

have you on I

22:44

am like, this is, I can't

22:46

believe this has worked. You're just so easy,

22:49

you're so forthcoming and honest

22:51

and funny and relatable. You

22:54

just make this hour

22:56

just the best. I was in a bit of a

22:58

bad mood actually. Yeah,

23:01

I'm due on the period and I'm always a

23:03

bit of an asshole, but as well I feel

23:06

like I did a job yesterday and I

23:08

just didn't bring my A-game to it if

23:10

that makes sense. I tried to be hardest.

23:12

It wasn't because I didn't want to be

23:14

good. I really wanted to be good and

23:16

I think I almost wanted to

23:18

be good too much and I

23:20

got in my own head and the

23:22

more I tried the worse I got

23:24

and I warmed away so sad and

23:26

I'm quite a perfectionist so I'm still

23:28

beating myself up over that. I

23:32

loved it. The word dead

23:34

complimented me, but yeah, so I still was in a

23:36

bit of a bad mood and now I'm in the

23:38

best mood ever because I've had an hour with you.

23:40

Oh, thanks Vic. I love

23:43

coming on you're easy to talk to as

23:45

well. Oh, what it was because I just

23:47

think I've done a few podcasts. I've

23:50

been offered to do a few podcasts and some of

23:52

them are just like, no, just no. Fuck

23:54

off. You

23:57

just, I feel like you have to, the vibes got me right. to

24:00

put in. That's it. The

24:02

back. So when it's easy

24:04

going like this, I feel like we're having

24:06

a nice time so the listener's having a

24:08

nice time so yeah. Enough of the mutual

24:10

sucking off, let's move on and I'll ask

24:12

you some more questions. It was dead interesting

24:14

what you were saying like just before the

24:17

break about your time on Towie and

24:19

I didn't realise we both started reality

24:21

TV at exactly the same age. I

24:23

was 22 as well.

24:26

Young. So young

24:28

mate and I think we've

24:30

both managed to escape relatively

24:32

unscathed but that is a

24:34

very difficult age to have

24:36

so many people have an

24:38

opinion on your body and

24:41

I wrapped so much

24:43

of my worth up in looking a

24:45

certain way and having a good body

24:48

and being a certain weight on a

24:50

scale and it's only till I've got

24:52

older. I've sort of realised well hang

24:54

on, I'm worth

24:56

so much more than just a close size.

24:58

100% and the thing

25:00

is every shop you go

25:02

in you're a different size anyway. It's just like, do

25:04

you know what I mean? I

25:07

feel gas lit by some shops. I'm not gonna

25:09

lie. Yeah sometimes I'm like oh my god I'm

25:11

so gas. I just got in a size 10

25:13

and then I'm like I've done another shop. I'm

25:15

like oh no that's how I could have

25:18

put in. I'm like I don't know what a size

25:20

I am. I don't give a shit as long as

25:22

I look nice. I'm like it's always a bit tight

25:24

anyway because I'm like when you wash it and they

25:26

go a bit tight doesn't they? But

25:28

you know who does care? But when

25:31

you're within that space you know when

25:33

you're on Towie or Jodie Shore or

25:35

whatever like reality show or even just like

25:37

being in your young 20s there's so

25:39

much pressure and I've seen recently the girls

25:41

in the labs have gone away

25:44

to Thailand and I've been commenting underneath

25:46

like Amber Turner and Courtney Green and

25:48

Chloe Meadows. I've been commenting under all

25:50

the reels like you look amazing girls.

25:54

I just want them to know that they

25:56

look gorgeous and great because it must be

25:58

so. They

26:00

look, their outfits are lovely, their bodies are just

26:02

like, everything's like, I look at them like, oh

26:04

my God, I do miss them trips. They're just

26:07

like going away, just like, just not

26:09

thinking about anything. Like, but at the same

26:11

time, I look at also I think the

26:14

pressure that they got. Like, it's a lot

26:16

of work, like the mental pressure,

26:18

you know? Yeah, no, it is. It's

26:20

a lot to think about, mate. And you're in a

26:22

different stage of your life now, which is obviously

26:25

you're clearly thriving and enjoying. But

26:28

I wondered if there was anything you missed

26:30

about TOWIE. Is it the trips? Is it

26:32

the gang? What is it? I love, I

26:34

like, love TOWIE. And I'm, I'm like always

26:36

such like an advocate of it. Like I

26:38

always watch it. I still always advertise it

26:41

as well to be fair. Just because I

26:43

feel like, you should never forget where you

26:45

come from. I hate people forget where they

26:47

come from, it's in like there. So

26:49

I'm here in Slagoff Tower and I'm

26:51

like, I literally met Tommy on there.

26:53

Yeah. And also, I met such good

26:55

friends on there. And also, it

26:57

was such a good time of my life. Like we was

26:59

free. We, do you know what

27:02

it did, Vicki? It allowed me to like not grow

27:04

up for ages. Like I literally could just like, in

27:07

one breath I grew up quick because then I had

27:09

to deal with stuff that, you know, some 22 year

27:11

olds wouldn't grow up but wouldn't deal with. Then another

27:13

part of it was like, we used to just go

27:15

on a bike trip and have a laugh. And we

27:17

were all actually really close. And we all

27:19

have like a weird mutual

27:21

respect for each other. And a bond that

27:24

you can't, unless you're in it, I

27:26

tried to explain to people, I'm like, my tower we get, we

27:29

always will have a bond that no one knows.

27:31

Because you're not, I can't explain, you know, like

27:33

I have that. No, but you've got so often

27:35

like, I mean, I obviously, I

27:41

haven't quite had the same experience with reality

27:43

TV. Yeah. And

27:45

then all the George Lawlesses, they're

27:47

all still friends, just not with me. Yeah.

27:50

You know, that's different because, you know,

27:52

that's what happens. And I've felt out

27:54

of people before. And you know,

27:56

it's not even about that. Like I just went in

27:58

a slightly different direction, but I get it. what I'm

28:00

trying to say, you know, like when you

28:02

go through something that is unique, and

28:05

other people go through it with you. It's

28:07

like how I feel about me and Fern

28:09

in the jungle, like you kind of, you

28:11

bond because you understand each other. And I

28:13

think it acts as a catalyst for friendships

28:15

often. Yeah, it does. And you've got a

28:18

bond now with Fern that like, you

28:20

can't, you know, you can't explain

28:22

it's so weird. Hello,

28:25

Brody Face. Are you? No, no,

28:27

just mummy. Not me. Not the

28:29

weird lady with the strange voice.

28:31

Hello, gorgeous. Hey, heads, heads. Hi.

28:34

Hi. Hi. You're

28:37

so handsome, Brody Bear. Hey,

28:40

do you want to look on another question? Yes.

28:43

It's Friday, it's Friday, it's Friday. No, no.

28:45

Oh, oh, yeah, he loves

28:47

Nino, don't you? Who's Nino? Nino. Nino,

28:51

where were they going? So this will

28:53

really make me laugh at it. But

28:55

what happens as well, you start

28:58

talking about saying, then you talk about saying,

29:00

at the moment, my house is full of

29:02

potatoes. Right. Is there any reason, Jay?

29:05

We've got on a petition with getting the

29:07

potatoes out and frying around. At 5am this

29:09

morning, he's gone to me. Potato. Look,

29:12

look, look. Do

29:15

you like potatoes? Yeah,

29:19

they're everywhere. They're in the ball pit here. I will

29:21

find, it's like I'm growing potatoes. Oh, the wine fridge,

29:23

my mum said it's ridiculous. The dog's got them. Yeah,

29:27

the dog don't want to eat them. It's

29:30

ridiculous. Weird. But

29:33

I'm just going to go with it. It keeps him quite

29:35

happy. Look

29:37

at you, darling. You're so handsome. I can

29:39

see why your mammy's so proud of you.

29:42

You're lovely, boy. Are you lovely?

29:45

Yeah, you are. But

29:49

no, Vic, I get it. We have a bond with

29:51

people and I love that. I fell

29:54

out with like, do you have so many little

29:56

brows on Tower? Yeah. It's a very

29:58

different set up to Tower. because yours was so much more

30:00

intense. I've

30:03

got it on the head, potato. This

30:06

is my life. Brode.

30:09

No, it was proper. Careful. Not

30:12

bad. But yeah, yours was

30:14

definitely more intense. I could go home,

30:16

you know. Yeah. That's lovely.

30:18

That's lovely. I'm okay. But

30:21

yeah, now we're all friends. But yeah,

30:23

I did have a lot of like rouse on

30:25

there. But you're all

30:27

in the same space as well. You and Dan,

30:30

like having kids, Kate, having kids. It must be

30:32

lovely to be taking these next steps together as

30:34

well. It's really cute. I

30:36

see Dan a lot. I talked

30:38

about all the time. She literally leaves five minutes from

30:40

me. And Ola and Brode are

30:42

like exactly a year apart. And

30:45

they'll probably be going to school and stuff. So that'd

30:47

be cute, won't it? Oh, that would be so lush.

30:49

Do you know what? I read. Next

30:52

gen. I

30:54

read and I didn't even realise this. But obviously you

30:56

and Tommy sort of knew each other before, but

30:59

you got together on the show. So

31:01

your whole relationship, your whole life has been

31:04

played out in front of the cameras. Do

31:06

you ever feel like, oh, God,

31:09

I wish we'd had something just for us or are you

31:11

really happy with the dynamic? I just

31:14

don't know any different. Yeah. I don't

31:16

know any different. And the

31:18

thing is, I was on the tower before and he

31:20

was. And then people keep saying

31:22

to me, oh, you're going to film your

31:25

wedding. And I'm like, it would be weird

31:27

if I didn't. Yeah. No, I get

31:29

that. Because I'm like, it's just normal

31:32

to us that he, everything, don't press

31:34

that button. Everything, his life,

31:36

he's with him, he's been filmed.

31:39

And we just started filming series four. And

31:41

we're like, it just feels

31:43

normal, Vicks. It's

31:46

weird. But maybe because we did it so young, I don't know.

31:49

No, but it's a really good point. Those formative years,

31:51

like your late teens or early twenties, it's when you're

31:53

sort of like, you just adjust to what's happening

31:57

around you and you normalize it totally. And

32:00

I think for you, that part of

32:02

your life, it's

32:04

become almost ingrained in you, that it's normal

32:06

to have everybody know and everything about you.

32:08

Like I feel the same way to a

32:10

certain extent. Like, I often get

32:13

told off my agents, you know, like you

32:15

don't have to share everything on social media,

32:17

you know, like when you're having a period

32:19

or like, whatever, and I'm like, but then

32:21

I just feel like it's normal that everyone

32:23

knows everything about me, you know? 100

32:25

and 100, you've always done

32:28

that. So why would you change now? And

32:30

I think people love you for that. People love you

32:32

for being honest and open. And, you know, we all

32:34

talk about everything that you talk about. But

32:38

you don't want to create on a head. I

32:40

honestly do, I can't wait, I meet him in real life.

32:43

He's absolutely class. He's so funny. Like he just comes out

32:45

of these mad things. I'm like, how did I like create

32:47

you? Like, and sometimes I'm like, I'm not gonna, am I

32:49

actually a mum? And this is my father.

32:52

Is he more like Tommy in personality? I'm

32:54

all like you. I be. He's

32:58

like, first he's like a proper mum,

33:00

he's boy. And he's like

33:02

really cautious. Like, even if there's a little

33:04

step, he like holds the side to go

33:06

down there. And obviously Tommy's got ADHD. So

33:09

like, Tommy doesn't hold no sides to go

33:11

down a step. He's gone head first. You

33:13

know what I mean? Tommy holds no sides

33:15

in life. He's

33:17

head first in anything he does. So yeah,

33:19

I don't know how he's so cautious. So

33:22

I'm like, I'm like, say that please. For

33:25

a boy, like I always worry

33:27

about boys. Being too boisterous, I

33:29

could get scared. But yeah, no,

33:31

he's so far, he's, yeah.

33:33

I would like, you know, have Tommy's drive

33:35

though, because I haven't got that much drive.

33:37

Like he's, I'd love him to have like

33:39

Tom's ambition and drive. And then like my

33:41

like cautious side, that'd be great mates. You

33:43

do yourself an injustice, Jay, actually because I

33:45

just think you didn't know what you

33:47

wanted to do. And now I

33:50

think you know your space, you know where

33:52

you're comfortable, you know. You

33:54

are. Yeah, yeah. You are. So

33:57

like, his drive is just that. Of our

33:59

next level. Yeah, I've

34:01

generally, there's not one person in the world

34:03

that I know that works hard than him,

34:05

but probably Christian. They probably

34:07

work hard than Christian. Honestly, I always,

34:09

like whenever I see him pop up

34:12

on Insta, I'm always like, well done,

34:14

son. Congratulations. I just feel like some

34:16

people, I'm not jealous of anybody, I

34:18

think. Everybody deserves to do well, like,

34:20

a jealousy,

34:22

low vibration, like it's just no good for anybody.

34:25

But there's very few people

34:28

who, when I see them do well, I think

34:31

they deserve it more than Tommy. Like, I just,

34:33

I think he works so hard, he's such a nice

34:35

guy, he's created this brand from

34:38

nothing. Like, I'm always like, he's biggest cheerleader

34:40

in the comments. I'm such a geek. I

34:43

really appreciate that because it's really important,

34:45

you know, to have a big cateau,

34:47

yeah. But yeah, he's just constant,

34:49

isn't he? And people say that all the time,

34:51

like, oh, what's he doing? He works for it.

34:53

He genuinely works, like, his arse

34:56

off proper. And then he struggles with that,

34:58

he does struggle with his times, and he's

35:00

like, the balance, you know? And he feels

35:02

bad, I'm like, but you're creating his future.

35:04

Yeah, I see, I seen this quote the

35:06

other day, and like, it was like, most

35:09

people miss opportunity because it's dressed

35:11

up as hard work. And

35:13

it's dressed up in overalls and looks like hard work. And

35:18

like, honestly, I think so many people will

35:20

think, oh, how's he done that? And how's he got this?

35:22

And how's he got it? Because he's fucking worked hard for

35:24

it. Because he got his head down and he smashed it,

35:26

and he's been driven. And he's like, not had days off,

35:28

and never took his foot off the gas. And I just

35:30

think you've got to sort of applaud that. But, nah. It's

35:36

not funny, Vic, right?

35:39

People don't really say it no more. I

35:41

think a lot of people used to say to me and

35:43

him, oh, well, you only do well because you was on

35:46

TOWIE. And I'm like, sorry,

35:48

how many reality stars are there? I just

35:50

want to understand that. How many reality stars

35:52

are there? TOWIE, Love Island, Jool Short, all

35:54

of them. How many people brought out brands?

35:56

Probably most of them. And how many people

35:58

as well? You can't, listen. We're not saying

36:00

that Towerway never helped Malie. It helped

36:02

as he's profile. But

36:06

at the same time, it's like, unless

36:08

you're that dedicated, anyone can bring out a

36:10

brand, you know? And do you know what?

36:13

Sometimes he had to work harder

36:15

because he used to build Towerway. Because in

36:18

the fashion world, they didn't take it seriously.

36:20

We know our jobs, it's better for us.

36:22

You know, it's good for us

36:24

to be on TV and stuff. Whereas him,

36:26

he had to really prove himself more because

36:28

he used to be. People, no one took him

36:31

seriously. People used to think it's like, you know,

36:33

someone set up the business, he put his name

36:35

to it. Honestly, it took probably longer. He's mad.

36:38

What a ledge. I love Georgia. There's

36:40

a real theme here. Like, I'm

36:42

so grateful to anyone who's gave up their time to

36:45

be a guest and spoken, who was honestly and authentically,

36:47

you know, I am, I

36:49

feel like I'm just like a real

36:51

nosy cow. So for me, this

36:53

job's been perfect. But I don't know,

36:56

something about just how raw

36:58

Georgia lets herself be and how

37:00

real she is. Just really endearing. I

37:03

do love her. I know you guys do

37:05

too. Listen for that one, we're fucking

37:07

blind. Thank

37:10

you so much for listening. And I hope you've enjoyed

37:12

this little trip down memory lane as much as I

37:14

have. It is me, it is rather emotional. I'm not

37:16

gonna lie. Feels like the end of an era, doesn't

37:18

it? But like, all good things must

37:20

come to an end, I suppose. Well

37:22

guys, that's it. End

37:30

of an era. Last episode of Vicki Patterson,

37:33

The Secret too. I know I've

37:35

said it before, I just wanna say it again. Thank you. Gonna

37:38

cry. Such a funny. But

37:41

I've loved making this podcast for the last few

37:43

years. I've given

37:46

the opportunity to speak to some incredible people. Learn

37:51

more, you know, about a

37:53

craft that I was desperate to sort of

37:55

improve in. And I'm just

37:57

really grateful. For all

37:59

the skills it's given me. given us all the

38:01

lovely lessons and secrets that I've learned along the

38:03

way and for you mostly for

38:06

listening to us continually and making it

38:08

all possible so I'm quite sad it's

38:10

finished but I'm

38:13

sure you'll find something else to listen to and

38:17

I'm sure I'll find something else to talk about in my time. I

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