You are listening to the fifty-eighth episode of Voc/zes: el podcast de la U de M.

This week, we get to share Steph's interview with author and guest speaker at this year's Provost's Conversation Series, Francisco Cantú! Raised in the Southwest United States, Francisco developed an early fascination of the U.S.-Mexico border, later leading him to become a U.S. border patrol agent and an award-winning author of the book "The Line Becomes A River: Dispatches from the Border."

In this episode, Steph and Francisco talk about Francisco's experiences as a border patrol agent, the reality of violence on both sides of the border, excerpts from the book, dehumanization, empathy, and more.