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1:24

this is Ian Grunas from South Orange, New

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Jersey. South Orange, New Jersey. I know it

1:28

well. I grew up near there. What do

1:30

you do there? Oh,

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that's a hard one. I

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own a fabrication shop. I build things

1:36

for Broadway and Off-Broadway. Oh,

1:39

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1:43

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1:46

have a table on Hamilton. You

1:49

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1:51

Is it the table where

1:53

it happened? One

1:57

of the many Act One tables. Wow.

2:01

Well, Ian, welcome to the show. Let me

2:03

introduce you to our panel this week. First,

2:05

he's a comedian and the co-host of Nobody

2:08

Listens to Paula Poundstone. It's Adam Felbert. All

2:10

right, Ian. Hi, Adam. Hi, Ian. Hi, Adam.

2:12

Hi, Ian. Hi, Adam. Next,

2:15

it's the comedian you can see on

2:17

tour in July with a great American

2:19

punchline show. Go to Great American Punchline

2:22

to get your tickets. It's Nagin Farsad.

2:24

And yellow. And yellow. And

2:28

a comedian who will be at the Houston

2:31

Improv August 2nd through the 4th and is

2:33

currently on a world tour for all those

2:35

dates. Go to mazjobrani.com. That's right. It's Mazjo

2:37

Brani. Hi, Ian. Hi,

2:40

Maz. Love your table. So

2:43

Ian, you're going to play Who's Bill this time. Of

2:45

course, Bill Curtis is going to start our show this

2:47

week, as he always does, with three quotations from the

2:49

week's news. Your job, of course. Identify, explain, just two

2:51

of them. Do that. You'll win our prize. Any voice

2:53

from our show you might want for your voicemail. Are

2:55

you ready to go? I'm ready.

2:58

All right. Your first quote is from a

3:00

Reddit user who was

3:02

suggesting the text of

3:04

a new proposed warning label. May

3:07

make you hate your friends and

3:09

find your extended family unbearable.

3:12

He was helpfully responding to the news

3:14

that the Surgeon General wants to put

3:16

a warning label on what? That

3:19

would be social media. That's right,

3:21

Ian. Social media. Surgeon

3:27

General Vivek Murthy wants to put

3:29

warning labels on social media because

3:31

it is very bad, he says,

3:34

for adolescents. And of course, if

3:37

you warn a teenager that something

3:39

is bad for them, they immediately

3:41

stop doing it. It

3:45

doesn't help that I learned about this warning

3:47

on Twitter. Yeah, I know. It kind of

3:49

defeats the whole purpose. It really does. My

3:51

main concern is if all the young

3:53

people stop going on social media because

3:55

of a regulation or a label, my

3:57

concern is that they don't have a

3:59

warning. is that where am

4:01

I gonna get my skincare advice, you know?

4:04

Because I feel 11 year old girls

4:06

are our number one dermatologist in this

4:09

country. And that's mainly

4:11

who I go to for the dewy

4:13

look that you see before you. You'll

4:16

just have to do it the way we did in

4:18

the old days. Chase down people who seem to glow

4:20

and yell, what's your secret? So

4:23

nobody's come up, even the

4:25

surgeon general himself has not yet suggested what

4:28

this warning label would say or

4:30

what normal. He's not surgeon specific. That's true.

4:33

Ha ha ha. Ha

4:36

ha. Yeah. OK.

4:39

You know what I found myself telling my

4:41

daughter recently? She's five, so she's like not

4:43

in this space, but soon. And

4:46

I started telling her, you know what a

4:48

great pastime is? It's just to stare at

4:50

people and look at their outfits and imagine

4:52

what their lives are. Because I was like,

4:55

let me start getting her young with other

4:57

ways of wasting your time.

5:01

I feel like that's more, here's the

5:03

thing also. I

5:08

was eavesdropping on a conversation this morning, and

5:10

the woman was walking down the street, and

5:13

she goes, so I brought stain remover. I

5:15

am not playing around in this house. And

5:17

I was like, what is the story? Right.

5:19

You know? And I

5:22

feel like the great art of

5:24

eavesdropping has been stolen by social

5:26

media. Because instead of listening to

5:28

all of each other's conversations, which

5:30

is what we should be doing,

5:33

we're like on our phones. You know? What

5:36

we're doing on our phones is

5:39

we're reading or listening to the things

5:41

that people would be saying to each

5:43

other. Right. In private, were

5:45

we listening? All right, Ian, here

5:48

is your next quote. Words

5:51

are hard. That was Science Magazine summing

5:53

up a new study just out in

5:55

time for summer saying that

5:57

heat makes us want. I

6:00

don't know. Can I have a hint? This is why

6:02

you should never take the SAT in August. Less

6:06

intelligent. Yes! Or dumber,

6:09

as we might say when

6:11

it's hot. A

6:13

brand new study demonstrates that

6:15

extreme heat, like what we all

6:18

lived through this past week, makes

6:20

people's speech less intelligent. So

6:22

hot weather makes you dumb. Not to

6:24

be confused with being hot and dumb,

6:27

which is what makes you popular. So

6:31

this is really cool. The study looked at 7 million

6:34

speeches given by politicians in eight

6:36

countries over many years, and it

6:38

showed that they tended to use

6:41

shorter words in speeches delivered

6:43

on days that were 75 degrees or hotter. So

6:46

like, vote me. I

6:49

good. Bye bye. Wow,

6:53

I already had lowered expectations for next week's

6:55

debate. Yeah. This

7:00

makes sense. I can't say something about this

7:02

whole issue. First of all, I'm

7:05

insulted because I grew up in extreme

7:07

heat. I grew up in a desert.

7:10

So I'm either just a

7:12

total dumb dumb, or I'm

7:15

like one of those crops that

7:17

are genetically modified to be drought

7:19

resistant. I think I'm that crop

7:22

because I never, I don't

7:24

feel heat is annoying at all. I

7:26

love it. I'm into it. I'm heat smart.

7:29

I use a bunch of big words. You

7:32

know what I mean? You're a

7:34

genetically modified comedian. I'm a genetically

7:36

modified heat comic. Yeah. See,

7:39

I'm the other end of the spectrum because looking

7:41

back now that I know this, almost all

7:43

the terrible decisions I ever made were during

7:45

the summertime. Really? Oh yeah.

7:48

Sure. Let's jump into a quarry naked. But

7:52

if you had done that in the winter,

7:54

it would have been technically dumber. Yeah.

7:56

True. This

8:00

Peter smart. There's

8:03

air conditioning in here. That's why he's so smart.

8:06

All right, here Ian is your last

8:08

quote. No ring, no bring.

8:12

That was the Atlantic magazine describing

8:14

a policy being adopted by more

8:16

and more couples. They are no

8:18

allowing. I'm sorry. They're no longer...

8:21

It is summertime. Are you really hot? They

8:24

are no allowing. They are no allowing

8:26

anymore. No, no, no, stop. I have

8:28

funny. No,

8:33

these couples are no longer

8:35

allowing people to bring plus

8:37

ones to their what? Wedding.

8:40

Yes, their wedding Ian. Very good. Weddings,

8:43

of course, as we all know, are more expensive

8:45

than ever. And one of the

8:47

biggest ways to cut down on your

8:50

costs is to not invite the person

8:52

your cousin just met on hinge. The

8:56

no ring, no bring motto. That

8:58

just means you don't get to bring someone to

9:01

the wedding unless you're actually married to them or

9:03

functionally engaged. And that is why the guy you

9:05

just met promises a great time at his sister's

9:07

wedding. But first we got to stop at

9:09

City Hall just for a sec. Is

9:13

there like a bouncer that's checking

9:15

like wedding certificates, marriage

9:17

licenses? Maybe. I don't know.

9:20

But what kind of idiot thinks a

9:22

family wedding is a good first date anyway?

9:24

It's like, hey, we just met.

9:27

Want to see me fight with my stepdad? There

9:30

is a good way to get around this.

9:32

Just get like a vest for your date

9:34

and refer to him as your service boyfriend.

9:40

Just print up a second set of invitations with the

9:42

wrong address. And you send that to the people that

9:44

you don't want to. Isn't

9:46

that how everybody does it? And in that one they get

9:48

a plus one. Yeah, they get as many as they want.

9:50

Bring the whole family. Bill, how did

9:52

Ian do in our quiz? He was

9:54

perfect. Congratul. Well done, Ian.

10:00

Thank you so much for playing. Thanks, you too. Right

10:14

now, panel, it is time for you to answer some questions

10:16

about this week's news. But first,

10:18

it's time for a new game that

10:21

we are calling the Olympic Torch Report.

10:24

So the Paris Summer Olympics are almost here,

10:26

and news about the games is coming at

10:28

us faster than Usain Bolt fired out of

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a slingshot, which would

10:32

be an amazing event. But we're going to

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ask you a series of questions, rapid

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fire, true false style, get yours right, you get

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a point. It's very simple. Ready

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to go? I need a burble. Yes, yes, yes. True

10:44

on topic. Yes, yes. You're absolutely.

10:46

Negin. Negin, true or false, to celebrate

10:49

the cleanup of the Seine for the

10:51

Olympics, the mayor of Paris will swim

10:53

in that river next week. True. Right.

10:57

To protest the cost of that

10:59

cleanup, hundreds of Parisians are planning

11:01

a, quote, poop in the Seine

11:03

protest on the very

11:05

day the mayor is going swimming. True.

11:08

Yes. And if you

11:10

live upstream, there is a calculator online. This

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is true to help you time the arrival

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of your contribution. Adam,

11:18

true or false, after Paris tried to relocate the

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booksellers who have sold books along the Seine for

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six centuries to make room for spectators, the booksellers

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told them, quote, what is sport compared to the

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exercise of the mind? True.

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quote, told them to F off. It's

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a poor translation. It is. Negin,

11:38

true or false, at the inauguration of the

11:41

new Olympic Aquatic Center, three divers performed a

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synchronized dive for President Macron. True. No, false,

11:45

two divers did the synchronized dive, well, the

11:47

third, tripped on his own foot, bounced on

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the diving board onto his butt, and then

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right, first let's hear a dad tale from dad, Masjo

16:12

Bronte. Celebrity dad

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and workout fiend Mark Wahlberg had had

16:16

enough. His kids, like all kids

16:18

today, were spending way too much time on their

16:20

phones and getting lazy in the process. So

16:23

he decided to do something about it. Last

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fall, Wahlberg told his kids if they wanted screen

16:28

time, they had to earn it. They could look

16:30

at their phones for exactly as long as they'd

16:32

worked out for that day. According

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right? Wrong.

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According to the celeb dad, I thought it would get them

16:47

to cut down on phone time because no one wants

16:49

to work out that much. Not even me. But

16:52

no, they're getting so jacked just for phone time.

16:56

But it's not all a lost effort.

16:58

The football coach at their high school

17:00

in Nevada saw the increased strength in

17:02

Wahlberg's kids and implemented the regimen for

17:04

the whole team in a system he's

17:06

calling Ballberg. Since

17:09

then, their squad has gone undefeated and have

17:11

the biggest glute and calf muscles in the

17:13

entire state. They also have the most

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back injuries. Mark

17:19

Wahlberg literally

17:22

weighs his kids down with

17:24

the responsibility if

17:26

they want to use their phones. Your

17:28

next daddy diddy comes from Nagin Farsad.

17:31

Guy Fieri is known for diners, drive-ins,

17:33

and dives. He's famous for the way

17:35

he can shove a three level burger

17:37

chicken filet and potato chip sand dough

17:39

into his mouth all at once and

17:42

for the way he frosts his tips. Beneath

17:46

it all, he's a serious academic

17:48

with incredibly high standards for his

17:50

two boys Hunter and Ryder. In

17:52

fact, every summer Fieri made them

17:54

write weekly reviews of their camp's

17:57

lunch. By the time Ryder was

17:59

12, and at swim

18:01

camp he was also submitting

18:03

scathing critiques. Quote, the staleness

18:05

of the bread only heightened

18:07

its mass-produced mouthfeel in what

18:09

was a subpar peanut butter

18:11

and jelly sandwich. When

18:15

cafeteria staff caught wind of these reviews,

18:17

they started to up their game, and

18:19

the reviews showed it. Quote, what

18:22

started as a disappointing culinary

18:24

experience at the butterfly swim

18:26

camp of Santa Rosa has

18:28

evolved into a sophisticated gastronomical

18:30

experience as evidenced by

18:32

Taco Tuesday. Fieri

18:36

made waves when he joined his son

18:38

for lunch at camp, shaking hands with

18:40

Chef Jerry, and saying, quote, today

18:43

you took me to flavor town.

18:45

And quote, that meatloaf put

18:48

the shamalama in ding dong.

18:51

Yeah. Guy

18:53

Fieri, teaching

18:57

his kids how to be restaurant

18:59

reviewers, your last father feature comes

19:01

from Adam Felber. College football

19:03

coaches can be tough. Some wake you up

19:06

at dawn and force you to do wind

19:08

sprints. Some make you catch greased piglets, and

19:10

some will force you to watch their son

19:12

rap with Lil Wayne. Yes,

19:15

upon becoming head coach of the

19:17

University of Colorado football team, legendary

19:20

athlete Dion Sanders, aka primetime, not

19:22

only promoted his son, Shador, to

19:25

quarterback, he also arranged for Lil

19:27

Wayne to perform there, arranged for Shador,

19:29

an aspiring rapper, to be the warm

19:31

up act and made it mandatory for

19:33

his team to attend the show. According

19:37

to one source, quote, the Wayne

19:39

concert was the final straw for

19:41

a few players. Rather than be

19:43

forced to see the Carter, several

19:45

players chose to see the door,

19:47

transferring out of Colorado. So

19:49

maybe Dion himself will have to suit

19:51

up, ushering in a new era of

19:53

past his primetime. All

19:57

right. So

20:00

we found a story in the

20:02

news of a famous dad being

20:04

a dad to his kids. Was

20:07

it from Maz Jobrani, Mark Wahlberg

20:09

teaching his kids to work out

20:11

like he does if they wanted

20:13

to use their phones, from Naguin

20:15

Farsad, Guy Fieri commissioning his kids

20:18

to eat with care and criticism,

20:20

or from Adam Felber, Dion Sanders

20:22

using his position as a college

20:24

football coach to make sure that

20:26

his son had an audience for

20:28

his rap concert. They're

20:30

all very good. I'm going to go

20:33

with the third one, Dion Sanders. You're

20:36

going to go with the third one. Adam's

20:38

a story about Dion Sanders. Okay, that's your

20:40

choice. Well, to bring you the correct answer,

20:42

we want to hear from someone with some

20:44

insight into the real story. I

20:46

don't see nothing wrong with going to the Lil Wayne

20:48

concert. I would thought it'd be fun to see my

20:51

quarterback rapping. That was Max,

20:53

host of the YouTube channel

20:55

Buffs Nation Daily. That's a

20:57

Colorado football team fan

20:59

show, giving his two cents

21:01

on Dion Sanders' mandatory

21:03

concert. Congratulations. You got it right,

21:05

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now the game where we ask people about

21:32

things they don't know anything about. It's called

21:34

Not My Job. Eric Winemayr has an amazing

21:36

resume as an explorer and adventurer, even

21:39

more impressive since he completely lost his sight

21:41

as a teenager. He was the first blind

21:43

person to climb Mount Everest and then the

21:45

other six highest mountains on each continent, but

21:47

nothing he's done requires as much sheer courage

21:49

as appearing with us here. Eric

21:51

Winemayr, welcome to Wait, Wait,

21:53

Don't Tell

21:59

Me. Eric, it's great to

22:01

have you. We need to get this out of the way quickly. Although

22:05

you have been acclaimed, you were named one

22:07

of the most hundred most influential people by

22:09

Time Magazine. There have been films made about

22:11

you, documentaries and feature films. We

22:14

first heard about you from

22:17

a video that went

22:20

viral in 2006. And

22:22

we're going to play it for our audience. This is

22:24

just a local

22:26

newscast with someone who

22:29

is announcing that they're going to

22:31

interview you. Let's

22:33

just listen. Right after the break, we're going to

22:35

interview Eric Wyhan Mayer, who climbed the highest mountain

22:37

in the world, Mount Everest. But

22:40

he's gay. I mean, he's gay. He's truly blind.

22:42

So we'll talk about that. Yeah. So

22:45

a couple questions. A

22:49

couple questions. I

22:53

assume you've seen you've heard that before. I've

22:55

heard it a thousand times. But

23:01

what they didn't realize, they think it's funny. But

23:03

I'm like, no way, man, you made my career.

23:05

No one heard about climbing Everest. But everyone heard

23:07

about my gay video. Yeah, I

23:09

guess. So I guess now

23:11

that we've established that, I

23:14

should say, first of all, happy pride. Secondly.

23:17

Thank you. So this

23:21

local news anchor was going to interview you about

23:23

your achievement of being the first blind person to

23:25

climb Everest. Were you standing

23:28

by as that was

23:30

said? Did you hear her say that?

23:33

And did you have to do that? Yeah, there's

23:35

another clip where if you go online, you can

23:37

see me just completely laughing, cracking up for... I

23:39

couldn't even do the interview. And by the way,

23:41

I just want to say for the NPR audience,

23:43

nothing funny about being gay or being blind. But

23:45

I don't know how the two look the same

23:48

on a script. When

23:53

you have to introduce yourself, you say, well, yes, I'm

23:55

Eric Weinmeier, I climb Mount Everest, first blind person to

23:57

do it. First blind person to

23:59

climb the sea. seven summits and there's still nothing and

24:01

you're like, I'm blind not gay.

24:03

And then they go, you! No, no, no.

24:06

In fact, I take, I like more records

24:09

than I can get, you know, like blind,

24:11

first blind guy to climb Everest, first blind

24:13

gay man to climb Everest is even better.

24:15

So I'll take it. Now

24:18

that we have covered that, I actually want to

24:20

talk to you about the actually impressive things that

24:22

you did. There might be people out

24:24

there who say, oh, he's a blind guy who climbed Everest.

24:26

I guess he just was roped to some guy who did

24:28

the climbing. You

24:30

do it by feel, right? Yeah. And

24:33

I did have great guides though. I mean, like on Everest, I

24:35

had, um, we had

24:37

12 friends and eight surface on our

24:39

team and those guys were

24:41

helping me get through like the Kumboo ice. I

24:43

mean, the Kumboo ice falls right out of base

24:45

camp on Everest and it's a blind person's worst

24:48

nightmare. It doesn't meet

24:50

Americans with disability act standards.

24:52

I mean, yeah,

24:55

they were ringing a jingling a bell in front of

24:57

me and talking to me and telling me which ropes

24:59

to clip into. So for sure, blind

25:01

guys, at least as far as I know,

25:03

don't climb Everest alone and I owe my

25:05

team everything. I'm sure you

25:07

get this a lot when, when I think about

25:09

climbing mountains, which is not something I have done,

25:11

but I think if I were to do it,

25:13

it would be for the view, which

25:16

is not relevant. Yeah. Yeah.

25:19

To you. So what is the appeal

25:21

to you to do this remarkable Alpine climate? I,

25:24

you know, when people say I climb for

25:26

the view, um, blind people. People use this,

25:28

this kind of a

25:30

skill called echolocation and

25:33

it's, it's the idea of sound vibrations

25:35

moving out through, through space and

25:37

bouncing off of objects and coming back at

25:39

you. And when you're up

25:41

high on a summit, those sound vibrations

25:43

just move out infinitely through space. It's

25:46

sort of like you've been swallowed

25:48

by sky. It's this scary, infinite,

25:51

beautiful, powerful sound

25:53

of vibrations just moving through the

25:56

universe. So I'm getting

25:58

a lot of, uh, of. of

26:00

scenery, it's just not visual. Um,

26:02

you, they made, like I said,

26:05

your career and your life has been

26:07

documented in documentaries and in one feature

26:10

film about you going up to the top of Everest.

26:12

That must have been a little odd, having

26:14

a movie made about you while you're still

26:16

here. Well, even hotter,

26:18

I was the, um, uh, this guy,

26:20

Peter Fachinelli played me. And

26:23

so I, they asked me to be the

26:25

stuntman for Peter. So I

26:27

think it was a first in history because

26:30

it was a story about me played

26:32

by Peter and I was the stuntman

26:34

for Peter. I don't know. It was

26:37

really weird. So Peter, this actor is

26:39

playing you. How handsome did he tell

26:41

you he was? Oh,

26:45

his, he was way handsomer than me. I

26:48

heard he's a real, he's a real handsome man.

26:50

So it

26:52

occurs to me if you asked me like, well, how handsome is Peter

26:55

who plays me in the movie? I would

26:57

be stuck because if I say, well, he's very handsome, would

26:59

that be flattering you? I

27:01

don't know. You can play me for sure.

27:03

I think you'd have, from what I understand, you'd have

27:05

to put a wig on though. Maybe

27:10

two weeks. I'm

27:14

just, I'm,

27:19

I'm, I'm, I'm so disappointed. Who

27:21

told you? Because this

27:23

entire conversation, I have felt

27:25

so free and unburdened by

27:28

my, for the first time in years. Blind

27:32

people, you know, we're judgy, but

27:34

we're just, we have to get the information in

27:36

another way. Was

27:40

it the echoes coming off the top of his head? Well,

27:46

Eric Weinmayer, it is a pleasure to talk to you.

27:48

We've asked you here to play a game we're calling.

27:50

Mountain climber meets social climber.

27:54

So since you are an accomplished mountain climber,

27:56

we thought we'd ask you about another kind

27:58

of climber, social climbers. who were trying

28:01

to rise above their station in society.

28:03

Answer two or three questions correctly. You'll

28:05

win our prize for one of our

28:07

listeners, the voice of their choice from

28:09

our show on their voicemail. Bill, who

28:12

is Eric playing for? Lilac Rain Thompson

28:14

of Black Mountain, North Carolina. Lilac Rain

28:16

Thompson. All right, Eric, here is your

28:18

first question. Two of the most famous

28:20

social climbers in recent history were Tariq

28:22

and Michaela Salati, who famously crashed a

28:25

2009 White House State Dinner to

28:28

which they were not invited. Now,

28:30

what did Ms. Salati go on

28:32

to do after that?

28:35

Was it A, she joined the

28:37

CIA as an infiltration expert, B,

28:40

she became a life coach promising

28:43

to help clients, quote, get past

28:45

any velvet rope holding you back,

28:48

or C, she left her husband

28:50

to marry the founder of the

28:52

rock band Journey in a wedding

28:55

broadcast live on pay-per-view? Wow,

28:59

the third one sounds so specific.

29:03

But maybe I'll go

29:05

B. Wait a minute, I'm

29:07

just gonna go C. No, no, no, I'm

29:10

going C. All right, there we go. Lightning

29:12

reflexes, yes, it is C. She

29:15

ran off. One

29:21

day her husband, Tariq, filed a missing persons report

29:23

because he didn't know where she was. It turns

29:25

out she had ran off with Neil Shone, co-founder

29:27

of Journey, and she eventually married

29:29

him in a pay-per-view event in 2013. They

29:32

are still apparently happily married. All right,

29:34

next question. A woman named Rachel Lee

29:36

loved celebrity style and wanted to dress

29:39

just like her favorite style icon, so

29:41

she did what? A, she

29:43

created a wearable digital screen that could

29:45

display images of any look she wanted.

29:48

B, she sent every celebrity a version

29:50

of her favorite dress, so eventually they'd

29:52

be copying her. Or C, she

29:55

just broke into celebrities' houses and stole the

29:57

outfits she liked. You're

30:00

gonna go with A. No, it was actually C. She

30:02

broke into their homes and stole their outfits. What?

30:06

She did. This was a big deal.

30:08

She and her accomplices became known as the bling

30:10

ring. Should

30:12

have known. Yeah. Here's

30:14

the funny thing too. Their first victim was

30:16

Paris Hilton because they figured Paris Hilton would

30:18

never lock her door and they were right.

30:23

All right. Last question. If

30:25

you win this, if you win this, you have summited.

30:30

One of the most famous social

30:32

climbers of recent years was Anna

30:34

Delvi. She pretended to be

30:36

a wealthy heiress as she scammed other people

30:38

out of money to fund her lifestyle. After

30:41

her conviction for fraud, which of

30:43

these did she really say when

30:45

a reporter visited her at Rikers

30:47

Island Prison? Was it A, I'd

30:50

be lying to you if I said I

30:52

was sorry for anything. B,

30:54

would you mind loaning me $75,000? I'm

30:58

good for it. Or C, the last

31:00

thing I remember is hitting my head on a car door

31:02

in 2012. Where am I? A.

31:07

A sounds kind of

31:09

plausible. Do you want to go for A?

31:12

All right. We'll do it. You can

31:14

go for A. All right. Yes, it was

31:17

A. I'd be lying to you if I said I was sorry

31:19

for anything. Yeah. These

31:21

people must have seen the Netflix series

31:23

about her. Bill, how did Eric Weinmeier

31:25

do in our quiz? He got two

31:28

out of three and that's enough for

31:30

a win. I'm so excited. I feel

31:32

like I just summited the seven summits

31:34

all over again. And it was easier.

31:37

Yeah. Go enjoy your piano. And then get it

31:39

on my couch. Exactly. Eric

31:42

Weinmeier is an adventurer, activist, speaker, and

31:44

the first blind man to summit Mount

31:46

Everest, but not despite what you've heard,

31:48

the first gay one. Eric Weinmeier, thank

31:50

you for joining us. I'm... Wait,

31:53

wait, don't tell me. What a great pleasure to talk to you for. All right,

31:55

all right. Take care. Thank

31:58

you. And

32:02

just a minute, Bill takes a big whiff in

32:04

our listener limerick challenge call 1-888-8-2-2 join

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33:24

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33:27

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33:29

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33:31

and Nagin Farzad. And here

33:33

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33:36

Studebaker Theatre in Chicago, Illinois,

33:38

Peter Stegall. Thank

33:41

you, Bill. Thank you, everybody.

33:45

In just one minute, Bill gets

33:48

bitten by a limerick tick and

33:50

gets rhymes disease. Oh,

33:52

God. If you'd like to play, give

33:54

us a call at 1-888-888-924-8924. Right

33:58

now, panel, some more questions for you from the Week.

34:00

news. Maz, more and

34:02

more seniors are turning away from

34:04

traditional retirement communities and instead spending

34:06

their golden years where? Can

34:10

I get a hint? Yes, they don't so

34:12

much as rush of fraternity is carefully stroll

34:14

in with a walker. Oh, back

34:16

to university. Yes, they're going to college

34:18

campuses. Universities from Arizona State

34:21

to Stanford are creating special senior

34:23

living centers right on campus so

34:25

retirees can enjoy all the pleasures

34:27

of college life, classes, extracurriculars, sporting

34:29

events, trying to hook up in

34:31

a single bed without,

34:34

you know, ever having to take exams. It's

34:36

both a great solution for active retirement and

34:39

the premise for Clint Eastwood's next movie.

34:43

Do they have to apply? No,

34:45

they just have to pay. Can

34:48

my kid pretend to be old?

34:50

Yeah, and just get into Stanford.

34:54

That's the premise for the next

34:56

Paulie Shore movie. And it's

34:58

also great news for all

35:01

the college acapella groups. They

35:03

finally have an audience. Who

35:06

sweet Adeline again. Nagine,

35:09

a British man is suing

35:12

Apple, the company, for

35:14

five million pounds. He claims that

35:16

they made it impossible for him

35:18

to do what? They

35:21

made it impossible for him to not have a

35:24

drawer full of dongles. I

35:28

mean, but that's true. It is true,

35:30

yeah. For all of us. Yes. Okay.

35:32

But I do request a hint. You do,

35:34

you do. Well, this is why Android, competing

35:37

with Apple, is promising mistress protection.

35:40

Oh, he wasn't successfully able to cheat

35:42

on his wife. That's right. The

35:45

man is suing Apple for

35:48

their quote misleading user guidelines after his

35:50

wife sat down at the family computer

35:52

one evening and found the texts that

35:54

he had sent to a sex worker

35:57

that he thought he had deleted forever

35:59

on his phone. His

36:01

wife immediately sent him a demand for

36:03

a divorce and the good news is,

36:06

thanks to Apple's iCloud service, those messages

36:08

are preserved forever across all his devices.

36:10

Oh wow. Okay, so asking

36:12

for a friend when you delete them

36:15

on your phone, they

36:17

do not get deleted anywhere else. They do not

36:19

get deleted anywhere else. Okay, wow. Just again,

36:21

for a friend, how do you delete them

36:23

on all the, just if we wanted to,

36:26

for these horrible people that need to do

36:28

that? The bad people. How would you do it? The

36:30

bad people. I believe, and I wouldn't know, because I've

36:32

lived a blameless life. Yes. You have to run frantically

36:34

around to all your devices and delete

36:36

them individually. It is

36:39

a little freaky to know that everything you've

36:41

ever texted is still out there somewhere, right?

36:43

If someone unearthed all my texts from my

36:45

Irmogird and awesome sauce era, I would be

36:47

mad. Nagin, in a massive crackdown

36:52

the city of San Diego is

36:54

sending out law enforcement to stop

36:56

anyone from doing what nefarious activity

36:58

on public land? Oh, what

37:00

nefarious activity? Public,

37:04

oh, like, is it

37:06

sexual? No. Can

37:08

it be? Can

37:11

I get a hint? You can. When they arrest

37:13

everyone, instead of saying hands up, they just tell

37:15

them to do the tree pose. Oh, they're doing

37:18

yoga? That's right.

37:20

They're cracking down on unauthorized

37:22

yoga classes in public parks.

37:26

After residents complained of crowding and

37:28

actually damage to the parks, how

37:30

hard are these people yogying? So

37:34

now the city is sending police

37:36

officers to popular yoga spots and

37:38

threatening people with tickets. The worst

37:41

is when they bring out the

37:43

downward dog sniffing dogs. Is it

37:45

yoga classes or can you do

37:48

solo yoga? And

37:50

how can you tell solo

37:52

yoga from stretching? Right. Oh, it's

37:54

if your shocker is open. Right. Oh, yeah,

37:56

pretty much. That's

38:00

a great point. So if there's like 20

38:02

of them doing yoga and they go, we're

38:04

just stretching, the guys get okay. Yeah That's

38:06

it. There's no law against stretching Do

38:09

you know what a third eye is? They'll be like

38:11

we have no idea Keep

38:14

going. Yeah, that's fine. Just calisthenics

38:18

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from Frederick, Maryland. What do you do there in Frederick?

39:02

I'm a car salesman you are You

39:05

know car salesman have a

39:07

reputation. I Have

39:10

to fight against that reputation every day. All right, so

39:12

the question is how true is

39:14

it? It

39:18

depends on the company I think for

39:20

me not true but for others I

39:22

work with or against more true really

39:25

So what you're telling me is you're one of the good ones

39:27

I Hold

39:30

myself to that standing. All right Well

39:32

Andrew welcome to the show bill Curtis is gonna read you

39:34

three news related limericks with the last word of phrase missing

39:37

From each if you can fill in that last word of

39:39

phrase correctly and to the limericks you will be a winner

39:41

ready to go Ready

39:43

to go. Here's your first limerick my

39:45

heart and my soul took a knock since

39:48

my lover has taken a walk But

39:52

electrical currents are a

39:54

heartbreak deterrence. My brain

39:56

will be zapped with a clot

40:00

Not a clock. A

40:02

shock? A shock, yes. There we are. According

40:05

to brand new research, the

40:08

feelings of negativity, anxiety, and depression

40:10

that come from romantic heartbreak can

40:13

be alleviated with a simple headset

40:16

that pumps electrical current into your

40:18

brain in 20-minute sessions. So

40:20

the next time, and I hope it

40:23

doesn't happen to you, but the next

40:25

time you might be suffering from what

40:27

scientists actually call love trauma syndrome, don't

40:30

ask your friends to take you dancing. Just

40:32

tell them to bring over a 9-volt battery

40:35

and some wet sponges. This

40:38

could also get rid of the entire country music genre. Oh,

40:41

God. I mean, all half of popular

40:43

music. My wife left me, but it's

40:45

okay. I mean, Taylor Swift. I

40:49

was about to say, if somebody had just

40:51

applied a shock to Taylor Swift 10 years ago,

40:53

we never would have heard of her. Don't break

40:55

my heart. Go ahead, break it. It

40:57

would have been like, happy poets

41:00

department. Exactly. All

41:02

right, here is your next limerick. Perhaps

41:04

you should name your kid maybe,

41:06

or hear me out, Lady

41:09

Tom Brady. For

41:11

a fee that's quite large, you will not

41:13

have a Marge. Just pay

41:15

me, and I'll name your baby. Baby,

41:18

yes. This week, the

41:21

New York Times profiled a

41:23

woman named Emily Kim, a

41:25

baby name expert who charges

41:28

parents $300 for a five-minute

41:31

session to help them pick the perfect

41:33

baby name. Which means, if

41:35

you use your services, someday your baby will ask

41:37

you, so why did you name

41:39

me Woods? And you'll say, I don't know, the five

41:41

minutes were up before she could explain it. What

41:46

a beautiful and personal way to find

41:48

a baby name. Just to

41:50

bring in a nice third party you've

41:53

never met before, and just hear some

41:55

random names that are maybe not

41:57

at all connected to your heritage. And

42:00

you know, in five minutes, she has no time to like talk

42:02

to you or find out your preferences. She's

42:04

just doing it like the usual suspects way,

42:06

like, oh, have you considered naming your baby

42:08

daughter a Bluetooth, calendar, plant? Zoom.

42:13

I wonder, can you imagine after five minutes if she's

42:15

like, just go with Junior? All

42:18

right. Here,

42:22

here is your last glimmer. In

42:24

train stations, I like to dwell

42:26

because my nose isn't doing too

42:28

well. A spice rack

42:31

a day keeps the aging at

42:33

bay. I am working

42:35

on my sense of smell. Smell,

42:38

yes. The New York Times reports that

42:40

just like everything else in your failing body, your

42:42

sense of smell will deteriorate with age.

42:45

It's either yet one more effect of aging or

42:47

a natural defense mechanism evolved by parents

42:49

of boys in middle school. So,

42:54

they say you

42:56

can maintain your sense of smell as you

42:58

age by regularly exercising it with

43:01

strong odors. That's why some people at the

43:03

gym head to the treadmills, some to the

43:05

weight rack, and one old guy right to

43:07

the pile of used towels. Bill,

43:12

how did Andrew do in our quiz? Andrew,

43:14

the car salesman sold me three

43:16

in a row. Congratulations.

43:18

Thank you so much for playing. Take

43:21

care. Thanks for having me. Bye-bye.

43:51

Thank you. nearly

44:00

30 years, their standards for the

44:02

ingredients that go into the brew

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are ridiculously high. In fact, when

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it comes to selecting hops, there's

44:09

no middle ground. It's either graded

44:11

in A+, or… well,

44:14

they're happy to let the other breweries

44:16

use it. Bell's Two-Harted IPA.

44:18

Bell's Brewery, Comstock, Michigan.

44:21

Please drink responsibly. On

44:25

NPR's Throughline. The ancient peoples

44:27

that tie much of the world to a

44:29

common lineage, and how their

44:31

stories became a justification for white

44:34

supremacy. Find

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NPR's Throughline wherever you get

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your podcasts. Now

44:42

it's time for our final game, Lightning Fill in

44:44

the Blank. Each of our players will have 60

44:46

seconds in which to answer as many Fill in

44:48

the Blank questions as they can. Each quick answer

44:50

now worth two points. Bill, can you give us

44:52

the scores? It's a rare situation, but we have

44:54

a three-way tie. Oh my goodness. Unfrodo! Wow,

44:57

everybody has three. All right. So what

44:59

we're going to do is we're going to

45:02

go boy, girl, boy. So Miles, we'll start

45:04

with you. You're up first. Fill

45:07

in the blank. On Tuesday, President Biden announced

45:09

a new path to blank for people

45:11

married to U.S. citizens. For

45:13

citizenship. The Hasagas' Pass citizens. You got it,

45:15

yes. This week, Elon Musk

45:17

went to an advertising conference in France

45:20

to beg companies to once again advertise

45:22

on blank. On Twitter

45:24

X. Yes. This week, Alberto,

45:26

the first tropical storm of the 2024 blank season,

45:28

formed over the Gulf of

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Mexico. The hurricane season. Right. On

45:33

Tuesday, baseball legend blank passed away at the age of 93. The

45:36

great Willie Mae. Yes. Say hey.

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According to new research, self-driving cars are safer

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than human-driven cars except during blank. Except

45:43

during night. Not just night.

45:45

They're safer except during dawn, dusk,

45:47

or whenever they turn. Otherwise...

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Much safer. Sunday, the blanks

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won their 18th NBA title.

45:56

Celtics. Yes. sprayed

46:00

a blank with orange paint? That would

46:02

be Rishi Sunak. No. Stonehenge.

46:05

This week, a man in China made the

46:07

news when the used books he bought for

46:09

just a dollar contained a blank. It

46:13

contained the Mao Zedong's

46:15

underwear? No.

46:18

They complained very important military secrets. According

46:21

to the Chinese Ministry of State Security,

46:23

two employees were supposed to shred 200

46:25

books but sold them to a

46:27

recycling plant. Instead, who sold

46:29

them, the man ended up returning the books to

46:31

the government, which was a huge mistake. He could

46:33

have made so much money on Antique Military Secrets

46:36

Roadshow. Phil,

46:38

how did Mao do on our quiz? Pretty good.

46:41

Five right, 10 more points. Total of 13 puts

46:43

him in the lead. All right, then. All

46:45

right, all right, all right,

46:48

all right, all right. OK,

46:50

Nagin, you are up next. Fill in

46:52

the blank. On Wednesday, Russia announced it

46:54

had signed a mutual defense pact with

46:56

blank. North Korea. Right. For the first

46:59

time ever, scientists were able to see the birth of

47:01

a supermassive blank. Birth of a

47:03

supermassive star? Almost,

47:05

black hole. This week, a historic building

47:07

in Italy was damaged when a bunch of

47:10

British tourists went there and blanked. Doing

47:14

raspberries of their slurpees?

47:16

No, they did parkour on the

47:18

building. On Tuesday, police in the

47:21

Hamptons arrested pop star blank for

47:23

DUI. Justin Timberlake.

47:25

Yes, this week, the second movie in

47:27

Pixar's blank series set records at the box

47:29

office. Yeah, it's inside

47:32

emotions. Inside out.

47:34

Inside out, yes. This

47:37

week, a farmer in England was reunited with his

47:39

Rolex watch, which he lost 50 years ago when

47:41

it was blanked. When

47:44

he grew up with

47:47

a rutabaga. No, when it was eaten by a

47:49

cow. The 95-year-old

47:51

farmer was shocked when a man with a metal detector found

47:53

the watch 50 years after

47:56

it had passed through the cow and returned it to

47:58

him. The farmer says. He is thrilled

48:00

to be reunited with the Rolex and cannot wait

48:02

to never ever wear it again. Bill,

48:06

how did Nagin do on our quiz?

48:08

Three right, six more points. Total

48:11

of nine, still trailing Maz. Alright,

48:14

so how many then does Adam Felber need

48:16

to walk away with this thing? Six to

48:18

win and what? Adam, this is for the

48:20

game, fill in the blank. On Monday, Israeli

48:22

Prime Minister Blank claimed the US was withholding

48:24

weapons from that country. Netanyahu! Right, on Thursday

48:27

the Supreme Court upheld a Trump-era tax on

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Blank. Foreign earnings.

48:31

Right, this week the Governor of Louisiana

48:33

signed a new law requiring schools to

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display Blank in all their classrooms. The

48:37

Ten Commandments! On Monday, NASA announced that

48:39

two astronauts would have to stay in

48:41

the ISS longer than expected as Blank

48:43

tries to solve issues with their starliner

48:45

rocket. Bowie. Yes, while arresting

48:48

Travis Scott this week, Miami Beach police

48:50

asked the rapper if he had been

48:52

drinking and Scott responded, Blank. LOL. No,

48:55

he responded, quote, It's Miami. On

49:00

Tuesday, Massachusetts experienced the statewide

49:03

outage of their Blank system.

49:05

Power? No, 911. On

49:07

Monday, McDonald's announced it would no longer use

49:09

Blank to take drive-through orders. AI.

49:12

Exactly right. Huh? This

49:14

week a student in Turkey was thrown out of his college

49:16

entrance exams when it was discovered he was cheating by Blanking.

49:20

Communing with the dead. No, he was cheating by disguising

49:23

a camera as a shirt button which read the test

49:25

questions and sent them to a computer hidden in his

49:27

shoe running an AI which fed him the answers to

49:29

his earpiece. Oh my god. Why

49:32

wouldn't you want that kid in your

49:34

shoes? I know, exactly. A plot so

49:36

elaborate that this kid should be immediately

49:38

accepted to any college he wants. The

49:40

student made a tiny pinhole camera and

49:42

then sent the questions via a wire

49:44

to an internet-enabled device in his shoe

49:46

which would connect to a server running

49:48

chat GPT which would read the question,

49:51

come up with the answer, send it back

49:53

to him and then use an AI-generated voice

49:55

to whisper the answers into his ear. It

49:57

was amazing at least until he

49:59

got to the... first question, what

50:01

is the Wi-Fi password? Bill,

50:07

did Adam do well enough to win? He

50:09

did very well. Five, right, ten

50:12

more points, total of 13, and

50:15

that means Adam and Maz are

50:17

co-champions. In

50:22

just a minute we're going to ask our panelists

50:24

to predict what will be the next thing that

50:27

will get a surgeon general's warning. Let me tell

50:29

you all, wait, wait, don't

50:31

tell me, it's a production of NPR and WBEZ

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51:00

our senior producer is Ian Chillock and the

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executive producer. Wait, wait, don't tell me, it's

51:04

Michael Danforth. Now panel, what will be the

51:07

next thing that gets a

51:09

surgeon general's warning and why? Adam

51:11

Felber. Public radio, warning,

51:14

this product may contain actual

51:16

information and cause you

51:18

to act like you really have it. Maz

51:22

Joe Brani. Marriage. May.

51:28

May cause less time with your friends,

51:30

less time being right and less time

51:32

having sex. Nageen

51:35

Farsad. The Tesla Cybertruck will

51:37

come with a warning that says if

51:39

you already bought this, there may be

51:41

little hope for you. Please

51:44

consult your nearest ex-wife.

51:46

Well, Lopelia, if that happens, we're going

51:49

to ask you about it right here on

51:51

Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Thank you, Bill

51:53

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51:55

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