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all the time go? And then answer

1:00

ourselves by playing some of the highlights from

1:02

the past two and a half decades. The only

1:04

thing worse than not remembering what you did

1:07

with your limited time on Earth is

1:09

having recorded evidence of it. Now,

1:13

that's a lesson, of course. get to talk to absolute

1:15

legends of American music like Bonnie

1:18

Rait. Ms. Rait joined us in 2012

1:20

and told us, even if you've been at

1:22

it for decades, there's still nothing more

1:25

fun than going out on tour.

1:27

It's as close to running away with the circus

1:29

as you can get. And you don't have

1:31

to do as many chores as you do when you're at home.

1:34

That's true. And she tried for that reason. Is

1:36

anything different now in your

1:39

19th time that it was when you started out?

1:40

Oh, better hotels and a bit more

1:42

comfortable bus, for starters and

1:45

uh... you know better better organic

1:47

and a good cooking at the gig and

1:49

that way when you have m&m's you really appreciate

1:51

them has

1:53

the lifestyle into

1:55

a change to the quality of groupies improved for example

2:00

that's so funny no

2:03

i think what what changes the internet

2:05

it made uh... maintaining a relationship

2:07

at home much more fun and and

2:10

compassionate because you know you

2:12

can do the type of call that cheaper

2:14

you could be in whatever closer no close

2:17

you want it really it makes that makes

2:19

those calls a lot more the call to home

2:21

a lot more fun and that's a big change

2:23

in right the first it's fun partying

2:26

when you're young, but as you get older, it

2:28

takes its toll.

2:29

So in the 70s, partying

2:32

with groupies, now naked-sciping. And

2:35

you feel this is an

2:36

improvement. With groupies. With groupies,

2:39

of course. There once were

2:41

monogamous. Yeah, I understand. So

2:43

we were really curious and interested in your upbringing,

2:46

because you became, some people say you're the greatest

2:49

female blues guitarist ever, but you did not grow

2:51

up in that environment. You grew up a

2:53

Quaker of all things. Is that right?

2:55

well yeah but that would be a property

2:57

into the counterculture early on i went to the summer

2:59

camp to my dad would be touring in a broadway

3:01

shows i

3:02

should say that your father of course for those of you that was the amazing

3:05

and mortal john rate thank you very much

3:08

local

3:08

home and care about it

3:10

again but but you know i'm a kid of my time to

3:13

not only the crazy taking over when

3:15

i was nine or ten and jump ahead with on the cover

3:17

time they've been in peter paul and mary bob

3:20

dylan they all think that you know i was right at

3:22

the preteen for idolizing and my counselors

3:24

at camp, all of whom were exactly

3:26

imitating every folkie in Greenwich Village. And

3:29

I was trying so hard to get that

3:31

sallow, hollow, cheek look, and I just wasn't

3:33

working on my little round freckle face.

3:37

Yeah, I mean, I came in through it through

3:38

folk music. It was just a hobby. Never expected

3:41

to do it. I was a cheap opening

3:43

act. I didn't need a band. I could play open for

3:45

James Taylor. I did a little ballads. I did a little

3:47

modern stuff. And I thought

3:49

it was a cool way to make some extra money during college.

3:52

But the last thing I was expecting was to

3:54

be offered a record deal at 20. I

3:56

told the college people I'd be back in a year

3:58

and I guess that didn't work out.

4:00

You know, I was just there,

4:02

they were still hurt. You

4:04

know, that gave me the Harvard Arts Medal a few years

4:06

ago, even though I only went two years, it was great.

4:09

Wow.

4:09

It is generally true that the coolest people

4:11

dropped out. Oh. Pete Seeger,

4:13

Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg,

4:16

that's the thing to do. Wow.

4:17

So there you go. I'm going to go do it again. I

4:20

think I could come back and audit classes and finish whenever

4:22

this wasn't working out.

4:24

You see, when you were going back

4:26

and forth from Radcliffe to

4:29

Harvard, you know, to blues

4:31

clubs. Was that weird to make the transition? Did you have to

4:33

stop outside before you went into the blues club and musk up

4:35

your hair?

4:36

No, you know, we all had

4:38

that that soulful beatnik kind of long hair

4:40

thing going on in the late 60s and early 70s. And

4:43

that end of the business that's more rootsy

4:45

in America. They call it Americana music.

4:47

Yeah. We're the kind of artists that get a chance

4:49

to age gracefully in this business. We don't

4:52

sell as many records, but here I am

4:54

at 62 still with a career. And if I was dancing

4:56

around in my underwear when I was in my 20s, I don't know if I'd

4:58

still be doing that.

4:59

Boy,

5:02

apparently I made the right choice as well.

5:06

Wow, we have found a look in your...

5:09

I know. I'm thinking, forgive

5:11

me, thinking about these young singers, particularly

5:14

these female singers and performers, are so carefully

5:16

packaged these days. And I'm wondering

5:18

when you started out, when you were signed to that record deal, did

5:20

the record company exec say, okay, we want you

5:22

to do this, we want you to do this? Oh,

5:23

I told him. First of all, Warner Brothers was

5:25

a small label. They had Randy Newman and Ry

5:28

Cooter. And they said, fine. We'll

5:30

pay for your records. And the other kind of non-commercial

5:34

artists we have, like Randy and Ry, we'll pay for them

5:36

with Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. And that was

5:38

the philosophy, was the big moneymakers

5:40

would pay for the more artsy projects.

5:42

But those days of not

5:44

paying attention to how your image, with

5:46

all the social media, I think I

5:49

just want to say, on behalf of Lady

5:51

Gaga and Taylor and you know

5:53

even nora jones doing so well they had that

5:56

that that they are there that they're incredibly

5:58

pointed and mature. in the

6:00

way that they're

6:00

approaching their career.

6:02

And I'm really,

6:05

really impressed with this crop, especially

6:07

with the crop of women's fingers I just mentioned, but there's

6:09

a lot of guys, even if they're being

6:11

managed, they seem to be very self-aware, there's

6:14

a lot

6:14

more sophistication. If I can back up,

6:16

Bonnie, you said that Black Sabbath and

6:18

Deep Purple helped basically pay for

6:21

Bonnie Ray and James Taylor. So

6:23

we've got like, we can thank Smoke On

6:25

The Water for like, Love Me Like A Man, is that

6:27

what you said? Man,

6:29

you know I Katy Perry helps pay

6:31

for all those Americana are acts

6:33

that don't shave men and women

6:35

Is that a genre

6:37

the non shaving music yeah, I think

6:42

I like to listen adult hairy contemporary. You

6:44

know, that's my taste Well

6:51

Bonnie rate we are delighted to have you with us We've asked

6:53

you here to play a game that this

6:55

time we're calling. I'm sorry. Did

6:57

you say Bonnie rate you Bonnie

6:59

rate? Or a multiple award-winning legendary

7:01

musician change one little letter and you

7:03

get Donnie

7:04

rate who

7:06

worked at the Des Moines, Iowa Metro Waste Authority

7:09

for many years It's amazing.

7:12

I should have looked him up. We were just close to there.

7:14

I know it's amazing What you will find

7:16

when you do a typo in your Google search? So

7:20

we actually called up the

7:22

Des Moines, Iowa, Metro Waste Authority and found

7:25

out a little bit about Donnie Raitt. And we're

7:27

going to ask you, Bonnie Raitt, about him

7:29

and Donnie Raitt. That is so much for

7:31

us. I was trying to figure out what

7:33

you might ask me. That's what we're going to

7:36

do. So if you get too right, you're under prize for one of our

7:38

listeners. Bill Curtis, who is Bonnie Raitt playing for?

7:40

Peter Jacobi from Woodbury, Connecticut. Connecticut.

7:42

Here we go.

7:44

First question. Donnie Raitt worked for the Metro

7:46

Waste Authority for 31 years along in fulfilling

7:48

career. What is the MWA stated

7:51

policy on disposing of old medication? Is

7:53

it A, quote, mix with items

7:55

such as kitty litter or coffee grounds and double

7:57

bag them? B, quote, dispose

7:59

of them immediately. on their expiration date unless

8:01

you have Vicodin, which trust us is always

8:03

fun, or see, quote,

8:06

pour them out into a big bowl and create a fun party

8:08

grab-bag game.

8:09

Oh, I love that third one, but

8:12

my 20s are over, so I'm going

8:14

with number one. The kitty litter. Yes,

8:16

you're right. Yes, kitty litter. And what if you don't have

8:18

a cat or you don't drink coffee? Well, buy

8:21

a cat who drinks coffee. Next

8:24

question, Donnie Raitt retired from the Metro Waste

8:26

Authority in 2008. then what was his specialty?

8:29

A, waste tasting, B,

8:32

shaming of people who don't recycle, or C,

8:35

composting.

8:37

Oh boy.

8:39

I'd have to say the third

8:41

one. The composting. You would

8:43

be right. Yes, he was the working foreman. Johnny

8:46

Rake was at the composting center. I'm a big composting center.

8:49

I'm so glad to hear somebody in

8:52

my family. There's not that many rates around. I'm

8:54

very I'm very proud of

8:54

him. Maybe I'll call him up. You should.

8:56

We'll talk about kitty litter and composting,

8:58

coffee grounds.

8:59

Skype him, you know. It

9:04

could be. After 31 years of working in the waste, that could

9:06

be the biggest thrill of his life. Last question. It

9:08

could be if I'm wearing what I'm wearing, well, I'm wearing

9:10

right now. Bonnie! You

9:13

tease. Last question. Donnie

9:15

Ray used to joke with his co-workers that he was

9:17

really what? A. A killer robot from

9:20

the future. B. Elvis. or

9:22

C,

9:23

Bonnie Raitt's cousin. Oh,

9:26

I

9:27

think C, but

9:29

it might be sounding too puffed

9:30

up. No, it is in fact true.

9:32

And he, being one

9:35

letter away from you, used to

9:39

claim that he was your... I bet you we have

9:41

DNA strands that are connected. It's not that

9:43

many rates. It's possible, but he apparently is

9:45

not related to you. By the way, we wanted

9:47

to talk to Donnie, but we're told he doesn't

9:49

use the phone much. So we

9:52

talked to his former colleagues about him. By

9:54

the way, but we did find out from them that

9:56

he is a fan. So there

9:58

you are. I'm glad that you told me about it.

10:00

him that's fantastic how

10:02

do you guys come up with this is this fantastic

10:05

it was really

10:06

we just we we

10:09

were googling you and we made a typo

10:11

and he popped up and we're like well

10:13

we got nothing else let's ask her about him

10:17

Bill how did Bonnie rate doing our quiz body's

10:20

perfect

10:23

And Peter Jacobi will love you for it. Yeah,

10:25

I love you, Cheryl. Bonnie Raitt,

10:28

thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell

10:30

Me.

10:34

Let's go from more than a decade ago

10:37

to just two weeks ago in Tucson,

10:39

Arizona, when Paula Poundstone

10:41

expressed her feeling about fudge

10:44

that we didn't have time to share with you

10:46

before. So

10:48

I was raised in Massachusetts, so marshmallow fluff

10:50

is a big part of my life. And do

10:53

you remember the glass jars that

10:55

had the blue and white lids? Right?

10:58

They didn't even have that blue and white lid anymore. They have

11:00

a plastic red lid. Go figure. But,

11:03

okay, on that, on the white

11:05

part, in very small, light blue print,

11:08

there was a recipe for Never

11:10

Fail Fudge. And so we were at the Ross's

11:13

house and all

11:15

the parents were gone. It was just the kids at the Ross's

11:17

house. And my sister

11:18

and Janet Ross decided to make the Never

11:20

Fail Fudge. But the print was so

11:22

small and so pushed together that

11:25

they read 2 1 half cups of sugar as 21 half cups of sugar.

11:31

And they put it in. I don't even

11:33

think that they combined it and

11:35

figured out like how many cups would that be plus

11:38

a half. And I'm going

11:40

to tell you something. best fudge

11:42

I've ever eaten!

12:00

Good night, cause you're my sugar.

12:06

You're my sugar. You're

12:11

my sugar. Sugar

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mine. When

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we come back, a Motown legend in the time we

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discovered a phenomenon of nature named

12:24

Maz Joe Brani. That's when we return with more

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From

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NPR, WVEC Chicago,

13:29

this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, the NPR News

13:31

Quiz. I'm Bill Curtis, and here

13:33

is your host at the Studebaker Theater

13:36

in the Fine Arts Building in downtown Chicago,

13:38

Illinois, Peter Seagal. Thank

13:40

you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank

13:43

you so much. Listen, we are in the middle

13:46

of a nostalgic

13:47

reverie about the first 25 years

13:50

of our show. One of the things we're looking back on

13:52

is origin stories. with

13:54

superheroes. For example, I

13:57

was given this voice by a dying

14:00

who had just crash-landed on this

14:02

planet and told me I must

14:04

use it to fight evil and advertise

14:07

the NPR Wine Club. So

14:11

Maz Jabrani is of course a beloved

14:13

panelist on our show but his

14:15

first appearance ever was as

14:17

a special guest brought on to play Not My Job

14:19

back in 2010. I asked

14:21

him about his first memories of America

14:24

after emigrating from Iran as

14:26

a child. One of the first memories I have we

14:28

went to actually we stopped in New York for a little bit,

14:30

and I remember going to Macy's with

14:32

my mom. And I

14:35

was a big fan of the color orange. And

14:37

they had Snoopy orange gloved

14:40

hat and scarf. And I bought

14:43

it, and it was the best thing ever.

14:45

I loved America right there.

14:46

Right there. So

14:49

you talk in your act about

14:51

your parents. They were traditional in many

14:54

ways.

14:54

What

14:56

do they think about your choice of career? Well,

14:59

you know, a lot of immigrant parents, especially

15:01

Middle Eastern parents, want you to be a lawyer or a doctor.

15:04

So when I told them that

15:07

I wanted to be a comedian, my

15:09

mom said, that sounds like you said lawyer. Yeah,

15:12

but

15:14

then she would encourage me to say, listen, why

15:17

don't you become a lawyer and you can tell jokes

15:19

during the trial?

15:20

But

15:25

I mean, was it tough? I mean, did you feel like, did

15:27

you feel, I don't know, guilt? Did you worry

15:30

if you could make this work? Being a comedian is a tough job,

15:32

whether or not you- You know what actually what happened

15:34

was I actually, when I finally

15:36

told her I was gonna go and be an actor and a comedian,

15:39

she got so desperate. She

15:41

would suggest jobs that I should

15:43

look into, just as a backup. And

15:46

she would base it on the last guy who came to our house to

15:48

fix something.

15:48

I swear,

15:51

I'm not kidding. Like I came home one time, she's like,

15:53

Have you thought about being a washing machine fixer

15:56

guy? You know, she's

15:58

like, you can't do that. it saves me money

16:00

and make a little money.

16:03

Your mom sounds like the toughest

16:05

room you've ever worked, probably.

16:07

You know what? She was the toughest room. And

16:09

what's crazy now, she's the biggest fan. So

16:11

now she comes over to the house, and she goes,

16:14

you

16:14

know, I need some of your t-shirts

16:17

for my neighbor. I need a couple

16:19

of DVDs. I'm like, mom, this

16:21

stuff costs. She's like, I'm your mother. Just give it to

16:23

me. So. Wow. So

16:27

you're doing ethnic humor here in the United States. ethnic

16:29

humor is ethnic humor but but you've actually gone

16:31

to the middle east with your act right

16:33

yeah you know uh... in the end of two thousand

16:36

the and the other got actual comedy or

16:38

a better than a parent caterer we all went out

16:41

the middle east did it for we did uh... all

16:44

the old out show the amazing uh... you

16:46

know uh... in jordan with the show

16:49

where the king of jordan showed up really

16:52

yeah that was pretty crazy while what

16:54

do you think of jordan think I

16:56

think he was laughing. He invited us to the palace

16:58

and we weren't, you know, thrown

17:00

in prison or anything. You

17:02

know, actually what's funny about what you just said is in some

17:05

of the places you do shows like in Dubai, you

17:07

actually have to submit your set to the

17:09

censors. And a few

17:11

times it happened where I was writing out my set

17:14

and when you're writing out your set as a comedian,

17:16

you're like, wow, this doesn't read as funny as it

17:19

plays when I'm doing it, you know, live.

17:22

And then I thought, well, now they're going to take this

17:24

set that's written out

17:26

it's not as funny already in the data translated

17:28

to arabic for the members can understand

17:30

it and they might not approve of

17:32

the based on it's not funny why would

17:35

you know that you

17:38

stuff about about all the different cultures the middle east

17:40

right like egyptians verses syrians versus iranians

17:43

yeah i do you know a lot of the work better

17:46

in the middle east where they know about the different all

17:48

right so give me an example when you give example of

17:50

a kind of joke that would absolutely kill playing

17:53

on the subtle but important funny differences in

17:55

the middle east and

17:56

what you do okay i'll tell the trial

17:58

like for example i I was re-seeing. Beirut. Yes.

18:01

And they said that because

18:03

the Lebanese and the Iranians are obsessed with

18:05

plastic surgery. They love their plastic surgery.

18:07

Right. So in Beirut, in Lebanon,

18:09

you can actually get a loan from the bank

18:13

for plastic surgery. Okay. So

18:15

I don't know how that worked. I don't know people are going

18:17

in going like, yes, hi, I was

18:20

going to remodel my house, but

18:22

I've decided to remodel my wife. We

18:26

were going to add a bathroom, but we're adding boobs.

18:31

It works

18:31

out there. I know, it works here. It totally

18:34

works. Yeah, that's great. Now, is that

18:36

what you do? You're in Syria, you tell Jordanian jokes, you're in Jordan,

18:38

you tell Egyptian jokes, you're

18:41

in Egypt, you tell Saudi jokes? Actually, you know what? A

18:44

lot of times, you tell jokes about the country you're

18:46

in. They love laughing about them. laughing

18:49

about them for the people love laughing about how

18:51

horrible their traffic is

18:53

it's really like like in egypt that

18:55

we did i would say like is that there

18:57

should be a video game

18:59

uh... for traffic in the middle

19:01

east and he could be the most advanced level of

19:03

the event that i know you mean it's insane crossing

19:06

the street is worth your life and they're still casual

19:08

about everything like i thought i might go out

19:11

of the pickup truck

19:12

with pilot garbage

19:14

bag i'll go to the like a pyramid yeah

19:17

but they were tied down with made me realize

19:19

the Egyptians are really good with holding things

19:21

in places shaped like pyramids

19:23

but

19:25

just to show off how cocky they were there

19:27

was a guy sitting on top of

19:29

the pile of garbage

19:31

and he was combing his

19:33

hair hey

19:35

you gotta look good wow you gotta look good

19:38

and I was like what is he expecting to meet somebody up there like

19:40

you know maybe

19:42

he found his comb there People

19:45

have been looking for that comb for years and you find it in the top of

19:47

the pile of garbage. Well,

19:49

welcome to the show, mug. We have asked you

19:51

here to play a game we're calling... Here,

19:54

let me open that bottle for you. for you.

20:00

That was

20:03

very moving, actually. I

20:05

hope that was in the script. It was. He

20:09

was just merely the power

20:11

of his acting, that gentleman. What

20:13

he's trying to get at is that professional baseball

20:15

players are elite athletes. They demonstrate

20:18

strength and skill and flexibility that sometimes

20:20

seems superhuman, which raises the

20:22

question, why do they keep injuring themselves

20:24

in really dumb ways? We're

20:27

going to ask you three questions about the odd ways in which baseball

20:29

players have hurt themselves just in this

20:32

season alone.

20:33

And if you get two questions right, you'll win

20:35

a prize for one of our listeners, Carl's voice and their voicemail.

20:37

Carl, who is comedian Maz Joe Brownie playing for? Maz

20:40

is playing for Edward Pape of San

20:42

Antonio, Texas. All right. You

20:44

ready to play? I'm ready to do this. Okay.

20:47

Just a few weeks ago, Jeff Blum of the Houston Astros

20:50

landed on the 15-day disabled list

20:52

when he injured himself doing what? A, answering

20:55

his cell phone,

20:57

B, putting on his shirt, or C,

20:59

snoring? I'm

21:02

going with shirt. You're right, that's what he did. He was

21:04

putting it on.

21:04

Whoo! Wow. Wow. Felt

21:09

a pop and ended up missing some

21:11

games. He was diagnosed with floating bodies

21:13

in his arm. Next question,

21:15

left fielder Chris Coughlin of the Florida

21:17

Marlins is out for six to eight weeks.

21:20

He hurt his leg trying to do something for another teammate,

21:23

what was it? A, hit him in the face

21:25

with a shaving cream pie. B,

21:27

he was trying to get a female fan's phone number

21:29

for him from someone in the stands. Or C, he

21:32

put Pepper in that other player's underwear. Pepper

21:36

in the other player's underwear, huh? He ended up

21:38

getting hurt. Yeah, I don't know how you hurt

21:40

your feet doing that. Oh,

21:44

you're not thinking. I'm

21:48

going to go with the pie in the face.

21:52

They do that a lot and when he did it he hurt

21:54

his leg. That's right, he came up to his teammate.

21:56

He was just hit the game winning run. Thank

21:59

you.

22:00

Face towards meniscus muscle. Nice.

22:03

Last injury, the most ironic injury this season

22:05

happened to Kendri Morales of Los Angeles

22:07

Angels. He broke his leg ending his season

22:09

doing what? A, he was trying to stretch out

22:11

his leg so that he would not injure

22:14

it. B, he

22:16

was celebrating a game-winning grand slam

22:18

home run at home plate.

22:20

Or C, he was trying to prevent a teammate

22:22

from getting into a fight and thereby hurting

22:25

himself. It was the grand slam. You're

22:27

right, that's what happened. You know what happens,

22:29

right?

22:32

Player

22:32

hits a game-winning home

22:34

run. He runs around the bases, the tradition is, the

22:36

other players gather to greet him in a pile

22:38

at home plate. Kenji Morales running in

22:41

so happy. He jumps up in the air to land

22:43

amidst his teammates and he falls straight down to the ground.

22:45

And then his, the other players are going,

22:48

dude, what's up, dude? He's

22:51

out for the season. Carl, how did Maz Jobrani do on our

22:53

show? Maz had three correct answers,

22:55

Peter, so he wins for Edward Peay.

22:58

Well done. Woo-hoo. Congratulations,

23:03

that was done masterfully.

23:03

Moz Jobrani's DVD,

23:06

Moz Jobrani Brown and Friendly is

23:08

out now, he's performing at the Pasadena Ice House

23:10

August 27th and 28th, go see him. You

23:12

can find out more at mozjobrani.com.

23:14

Moz, thank you so much for being with us.

23:16

Thanks

23:17

a lot, guys. Thanks. Thank you. Thank

23:19

you. Thank you. Thank you.

23:22

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

23:24

Thank you. Thank you. Thank

23:26

you. Thank you.

23:37

We've been around long enough that we've been

23:39

able to talk to people who were giants

23:41

even before we were, like

23:43

Duke Fakir, one of Motown's

23:46

famous four tops, who joined us in 2012.

23:50

And appropriately enough, Peter asked him about

23:52

his origin story. So

23:54

let's do like they do in the comic books, the origin

23:56

story. You were a high school student near here

23:58

in Detroit. Pershing

24:00

High. Pershing High Billboard.

24:02

Any dough boys out there? All

24:05

right, they got one. And you started performing

24:07

with a friend of yours in high school. Who was

24:10

that first? Levi Stubbs. You and Levi. Who

24:12

started it? And

24:17

two more. Mr. Renaldo Obie Benson

24:19

and Lawrence Payton. So

24:25

tell me about you were there in the heyday of Motown.

24:27

You went from chest to Motown? in Chestemow Town? So Barry

24:29

Gordy had

24:30

seen us on a Tonight Show. We were

24:32

working out of New York. So he

24:34

had his A&R director, who knows us

24:36

quite well, to get in touch with us. And

24:38

at that time, we were thinking about how we could get

24:40

in touch with Barry. So it

24:42

really worked out. I mean, we rushed back

24:44

to Detroit and sat down, and he just promised

24:47

us his records. And he did it. Once he put

24:49

us with Holland, Dojian Holland. You had the great songwriting

24:51

team. They were great songs. Yeah.

24:53

You know?

24:56

Well, tell me how that happened for you. For example, like

24:58

a song like the same old song, one of your hits. How

25:01

did that go? Pint

25:04

Honeybunch, Can't Help Myself. Can't Help Myself

25:07

was probably one of our biggest hits that had

25:09

reached out. Well,

25:11

it had been on the charts, number

25:13

one, for 19 weeks. So

25:16

when it fell from one to five,

25:19

Barry Gordy came to the studio and started screaming.

25:22

We got an anchor. It's number five with an anchor.

25:24

We don't have another record to follow. So

25:27

he said, so he told Holland, Dozier and Holland, he

25:30

says, look, this is Thursday, I

25:32

gotta have a record, and I gotta have a record on the tops

25:34

by Monday. So Lamar

25:37

Dozier and I went out, and we, you know,

25:39

I had a few drinks, we was feeling quite good, and

25:42

he was feeling just a little better than I. That's what

25:44

my dozier was.

25:46

So I said, look, man, I was driving

25:48

tonight, I said, let me take you home. So

25:50

I went to his house, he said, come on in for a minute, let's

25:53

have a nightcap. So we had a nightcap and

25:55

we was

25:55

talking and as usual he just went to

25:57

his piano and he start thinking

26:00

around he was playing can't help myself

26:03

but then he started playing it backwards Same

26:06

chord this plan. I said it's not like that

26:08

same song. We just recorded can't

26:10

help Just same

26:12

song He

26:15

said okay, Duke I'm fine I'll see you later and

26:17

I went home the next day they call

26:19

us come to the studio Friday

26:22

They had recorded a track called

26:24

the same old song a rhythm track.

26:26

We sang the song they mixed it Sunday,

26:30

they called us into the office

26:32

to stamp label copies. Monday,

26:35

it was on the air. We

26:37

was all stamped on labels. You had to go there and stamp your own

26:40

labels? Why not? Are you

26:42

kidding? Yeah. To get it on the air

26:44

by Monday? Yes.

26:45

So, Duke, you have a lot of

26:47

swoon-worthy songs, right? So when

26:49

you were dating, when you did want to court somebody,

26:52

what was your go-to song that you would sing to her?

26:54

Baby I Need Your Lovers. Oh,

26:56

yeah. But wait a minute, you

26:58

need the other three tops to come with you on the date

27:00

to make it work. That's

27:02

the only time I could do a solo. Well,

27:08

what a pleasure to talk to you. But,

27:10

Duke, we have asked you here to play a game

27:12

that today we are calling, You Are One

27:14

of the Four Tops. Now it's

27:16

time for three bottoms. Seems

27:20

to make sense. We got three

27:22

questions for you about different kinds of bottoms.

27:24

Answer two of

27:26

them. I could ask all of

27:28

those. We

27:31

have three questions for you about bottoms. Carl,

27:33

who is Duke Fakir playing for? Duke

27:36

is playing for Ronald Bazzman of Brighton,

27:39

Michigan. All right, you ready to do this? Okay,

27:42

here's your first question. The bottom is the

27:44

name of the capital of the tiny island of Saba

27:47

in the Caribbean Netherlands. The

27:49

Sabins also demonstrated their genius for

27:52

naming things. A, there's

27:54

a desert

27:54

on the north side of the island called the

27:56

Big Damp. the favorite

27:58

food of the island is something they call gut

28:01

fruit, or see the one road in

28:03

the island is called the road. So,

28:08

one of those things is true. The

28:11

road. Yes, you're right. The

28:12

road, the road in the island of

28:15

Saba is called the road. It

28:19

was built by a guy who took a correspondence

28:21

course in engineering. It's quite a ride,

28:23

we're told. All right. Next question.

28:26

Sometimes bottoms play a role in history. It happened

28:28

recently. It was at the bottom of Governor Haley

28:30

Barber of Mississippi. He decided not to run for

28:32

president because he said his butt gets numb

28:35

in long meetings. Was

28:37

it the butt of Saddam Hussein? A British soldier

28:39

stole the butt of a statue of him and

28:41

came home with it. Iraq wants it back. Or

28:44

see relations between Israel and Palestine were

28:46

briefly improved some years ago

28:48

when

28:49

Shimon Peres butt-dialed Mahmoud

28:51

Abbas. Number three. We're

28:55

going to go for number three. Do you

29:00

have a problem, Mo? Is something wrong? I

29:04

think he should reconsider. Do

29:07

you want to reconsider? I cannot vouch

29:09

for Mo. I can tell you that he's sincere in his desire.

29:12

I just like the way number three sounds. All right, I understand.

29:15

I'm sticking with it. He's going to stick with it.

29:17

Well, Mo was right. In fact, it was B.

29:19

It was Saddam Hussein. Yeah, Saddam Hussein's butt.

29:22

Last question, President William Howard

29:24

Taft had the biggest bottom

29:25

of any president to date as

29:28

a role in his legacy. According

29:31

to legend, A, he claimed his bottom

29:33

would tingle whenever he should veto a piece of legislation,

29:35

that's how he knew. B, his butt was

29:38

too big for a chair at a baseball game, and when he stood

29:40

up to stretch, he began the tradition of

29:42

the seventh inning, stretch. Or C,

29:45

what was then the square office became

29:48

the oval office because

29:51

he needed more room to turn around. I

29:55

like B. You're going to go for B, the seventh ending

29:57

stretch? Is that your choice? Yes,

30:00

that's

30:00

it. That's the story. The

30:10

fact is that Taft became

30:12

the first president to attend a baseball game and throw out the

30:14

first pitch. The legend is that he started

30:17

the seventh inning stretch by standing up at the seventh

30:19

inning to relieve his cramped

30:21

condition. William Howard Taft was so

30:24

large

30:24

he had a bathtub built in

30:27

the White House that could fit four men.

30:30

Or one Taft. Exactly. There's

30:32

a picture of the four guys for four bottoms. Oh

30:35

wow. There you go. Carl,

30:38

how did Duke do in our quiz? Well, Duke had two correct

30:40

answers, Peter, so he wins for Ronald

30:42

Basel.

30:43

Well done. Congratulations. Duke

30:47

Fakir is one of the original four tops. You can find

30:49

him on Twitter, Facebook, and you can see him perform

30:51

in Bloomington, Illinois on January

30:53

21st at the Bloomington Center for the Performing Arts. Duke

30:56

Fakir, thank you so much for joining us. What a pleasure.

31:09

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31:11

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From

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NPR and ODBEC Chicago,

32:30

this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, the NPR

32:33

News Quiz. I'm Bill Curtis, and here

32:35

is your host at the Studebaker Theatre

32:38

in downtown Chicago, Peter

32:40

Sagal. Thank you,

32:41

Bill. This week, we

32:44

are dipping into the archives

32:47

for some highlights from our first 25 years. But

32:50

after 25 years

32:52

of accumulation, dipping

32:54

isn't quite right. Diving, maybe. I'll

32:57

put on my pool floaties. Sometimes

33:00

it's amazing the range of guests

33:02

we have managed to convince to come on our

33:04

show. To illustrate it, here is a final

33:06

pair. First, in June 2009 we

33:08

were joined by comedian and actor Ed Helms, famous

33:11

for The Office and The Hangover movies.

33:14

And of course Peter ignored all those achievements

33:17

and asked him about playing the banjo.

33:20

Ed Helms, welcome to Wait, Wait,

33:22

Don't Tell Me. Thank you

33:24

very much. Great to have

33:26

you. Delighted

33:29

to be here. Let's go right to the stuff people most

33:31

want to hear. You do, in fact, play the banjo.

33:33

Oh, yes. Yes. I'm

33:35

something I've loved for a very long time, and

33:39

I've been wrestling with it my entire life. Are

33:41

you trying to wrestle it into submission, or...? Well,

33:44

you know, it's one of those things that sort

33:47

of... increases

33:49

your social isolation. Yeah. Or

33:53

I suspect someone might

33:56

take up the banjo if they just were really

33:58

angry at their spouse.

34:00

So

34:02

in Hangover, the movie that just opened this weekend,

34:05

you're missing a tooth. And it

34:07

turns out we were fascinated to discover that this isn't

34:09

special effects. You actually don't have a tooth.

34:11

That is true. A

34:13

single tooth? You don't have a single tooth? Well,

34:16

when I was, I don't have any teeth.

34:18

Again, I go, that's because I'm

34:20

a banjo player. When

34:24

you pick up the banjo, you have to hand

34:26

in your teeth. Exactly. I

34:28

was born without

34:31

a right lateral incisor. No.

34:34

Yeah. So,

34:37

I had a baby tooth, but the adult tooth

34:40

never came in. So, when

34:43

I was a teenager, I got an implant, and

34:46

which I had for 20 years. And then

34:48

for some reason, I just

34:50

mentioned that

34:54

I happened to have an implant. Come

34:56

on, you tell everyone this story. So

34:59

what's amazing is you were just ready to, as

35:01

you say, the role was written, he's missing a tooth, it's a plot point,

35:04

and you were ready to go. Do you have any other natural

35:06

deformities that will be useful to you in

35:09

future roles? Is

35:12

it that you have a peg leg and someday there'll be a pirate

35:14

script that will show up? Well,

35:17

I do, it's weird, I do have, my

35:19

left

35:20

hand is a machine gun. I'm

35:22

hoping that some script will... I

35:28

wanted to get back a little bit to the roles you're most

35:30

well known for. It's The Daily Show and

35:32

now in The Office.

35:34

Is there a way that you can describe the character

35:36

that you've played? Is it the same guy? Is it

35:38

a... Yes. I tried to

35:40

inject a certain sort of

35:42

stupid earnestness into

35:45

my work. I've

35:48

built my career on that. you're

35:50

certainly sort of continue this in the office is your character

35:53

uh... on the in the office like everybody

35:55

else in the show allot less mark than he thinks

35:57

he is

35:58

Yes, exactly. My character on The Office,

36:01

Andy Bernard, doesn't have a poker

36:03

face. Like, he just

36:05

wears everything on his sleeve, but he doesn't

36:08

think he does. Right. He's

36:11

totally transparent, but

36:13

he thinks he's stealthy.

36:15

Right. Is there any kind of research that

36:17

you need to do, or life experience that you can bring

36:20

to play people who are dumber than you are?

36:22

Well,

36:24

I guess I appreciate the assumption

36:27

that I've further than you care. Yeah. Of

36:31

course, you could have just said, well, what do you mean by

36:33

that? And then we would have

36:35

known it's true, I guess. No,

36:37

you know, those, especially Andy

36:40

Bernard, he's

36:42

a guy that I ultimately sort of feel sorry

36:44

for, which is how I find a lot of affection

36:47

for him as an actor. There's sort of pity

36:49

going on. One

36:51

of the things you've noticed about The Office, we've heard about it,

36:53

is the way it's It's done as a faux

36:56

documentary,

36:57

meaning that the idea is that the camera

36:59

can go anywhere. So you guys are often on set

37:02

pretending to work in this office while

37:04

they're shooting scenes around you, right? Isn't that

37:06

how it works, as you were talking in our backpacks? Yeah,

37:09

absolutely. And have you, I mean, we've learned, for example, that one

37:11

of your costars in the show, she

37:13

just spends all day shopping online. But

37:16

what do you do when you're sitting

37:18

there at your desk and you're not in the shop,

37:20

but you might be at any minute? How do you amuse yourself?

37:24

I read banjo blogs.

37:26

No.

37:31

I swear to God. Really? I

37:33

sift through bluegrass websites

37:35

and... What are the entries on banjo

37:38

blogs like? It's

37:39

like, day 48, still alone. I mean, what?

37:46

I don't like all this putting down banjo. It

37:48

was the number one instrument in the Rainbow

37:50

Connection song, played by Kermit.

37:52

I also played on the office. Do you really?

37:56

I just I played that song on the office

37:59

on my banjo

38:00

I just want to say, I have friends who play

38:02

the banjo and they all tell banjo jokes. I mean, it is the...

38:05

Yeah, we're all sort of self-loathing in

38:07

a way. I mean, but I... Look,

38:09

I mean, to be totally candid, I

38:12

love banjo music.

38:14

I don't know why, I can't explain it, it's

38:16

some sort of genetic deformity

38:19

in me, but I love it. Do

38:21

you happen to have your banjo handy? No, I'm

38:23

sorry, I don't.

38:24

All right, can you show us the missing tooth?

38:25

Now, one last question.

38:33

We saw you in Letterman and you did your amazing

38:36

Tom Brokaw impersonation, which was... Oh, thank you. Which

38:38

is really stunning. Thank you. Can we

38:40

hear a little bit of it because we mentioned it now. Sure,

38:44

sure, sure. The Israelis have once again

38:46

launched an all-out, but

38:49

back on the accomplished video. That's

38:51

amazing. I also do an Al Gore. Well

38:54

that's what we heard, we wanted

38:55

to just get to this. We heard

38:57

that you do, and I don't know how you come up with this, a

39:00

gay Al Gore. We

39:04

really want to hear that for once in our lives.

39:07

If I were elected president,

39:11

I

39:11

would make absolutely potent

39:15

that Patton Weather's

39:17

stiletto So he'll came and been

39:19

frozen.

39:27

And finally, we went to St. Louis in

39:29

June of 2013 and talked to the woman that Sports

39:31

Illustrated had just called the greatest

39:34

female athlete of the 20th century,

39:36

Jackie Joyner Cursey, who still

39:38

lived near where she grew up in East

39:41

St. Louis. Peter, ask her if she got

39:43

recognized walking around town or maybe

39:45

spreading around town faster than

39:48

the wind itself. So

39:50

are you well known here in St. Louis where you live? I

39:52

mean, do people like see you in the street? Like come up and say,

39:54

jump, jump for me or something? I don't know.

39:56

Yeah, they

39:59

don't ask me to jump. And I asked me, do I want

40:01

to race? Do they really? Yes. People

40:03

come up to you. You're like the big guy in the bar who always gets

40:06

challenged to a fight. It's like, oh, Jackie joined a cursor.

40:08

I'm really drunk. I'm going to go try to race her now.

40:11

Well, not quite in

40:13

the bar, but. You

40:15

grew up in East St. Louis across the river, right? Right.

40:17

And you were a talented athlete as a young girl.

40:19

You were always into athletics?

40:21

Yes, I was always into athletics,

40:23

but I really wasn't really

40:26

good in track because I started running at the age

40:28

of nine. And my first race I finished

40:30

last. Did you really? Yes, I did.

40:33

It sounds like

40:36

that still bothers you.

40:37

What kind

40:39

of a race was it? It was the 400 meters,

40:42

and so I

40:44

remember saying

40:46

to myself the next time out, if I can improve

40:48

a tenth of a second if I was running, then

40:51

that meant I was getting better. But sometimes

40:53

the places remain the same. I was like, okay,

40:56

I'm in

40:56

eighth place. I'm

41:00

slowly moving up. Really? So

41:02

you were one of those kids who were like immediately

41:05

everybody knew you had a special talent. You

41:07

had to

41:08

really work for it. Well, my

41:10

coaches might have known, but when you finish

41:12

in eighth place and seventh

41:14

place, that ain't special.

41:16

No. I

41:20

wonder where that kid is who won first place in

41:22

that race. What did that first say? We

41:24

read that you actually made your own sandpit

41:27

to jump in, to do long jump? And

41:30

you had to collect sand from all around

41:32

East St. Louis to make it? Is that true?

41:33

Well, not quite around East St. Louis. It was

41:35

a park across the

41:37

street from where I lived, and they had a sandbox.

41:41

And so I would convince my

41:43

sister we would take potato

41:46

chip bags, and we would walk over to

41:48

the park. we

41:50

would fill the bags with

41:52

the sand and bring it back to our front yard

41:54

so

41:54

I could practice on my jumping. of

42:00

your siblings say, why don't you just go jump over

42:02

there? We'll save a lot of time. See,

42:05

we weren't supposed to leave the yard, so

42:10

we would go to the park. So

42:12

as long as we all went together and came back together,

42:15

and then before my mom got home. And

42:17

we never collected enough sand for me

42:19

to jump in the pit, but I

42:21

was jumping off. We had a porch and a bamister,

42:24

so I would practice my jumping in.

42:26

My mom didn't know because it was just a little bit

42:28

in my own of saying. I

42:31

love this story of you guys smuggling the dirt. It's like

42:33

the greatest scape. These

42:35

little kids are like sneaking over there holding the

42:37

potato chip bags trying to look nonchalant.

42:41

So once you started winning, when did

42:43

you get on the path to the Olympics?

42:45

When I was 14, I saw the 76 Olympic

42:48

games on television. And

42:50

I remember going to my coaches and I asked them, did

42:53

they think that I could make the Olympics because that's

42:55

my dream. I want to go to the Olympics because I saw

42:58

women at that time doing what I was trying to do. And

43:01

I was like, wow, well maybe I can get on TV

43:04

by going to the Olympics.

43:04

So,

43:07

that's what I did. I

43:12

watched the 76 Olympics. I just said, that makes

43:14

me tired and got some more ice cream. But

43:19

now, I mean, you went to four Olympics. I

43:22

can't even count your medals. gold medals

43:24

over the four Olympics or more? Three gold. Three

43:26

gold. A silver and two bronze. Really?

43:29

Where do you keep your medals now?

43:31

Thank you. And

43:33

a world record that still stands in the heptathlon,

43:36

right? Yes. Okay. So where do you keep the medals

43:38

in your house? Well, they're

43:40

in a safe place. If

43:44

I were to come over to your house, and I'm not angling for an invitation,

43:46

but if I were to come over to your house, would I see them?

43:49

Are they

43:49

Well, no, they're not out. No, really?

43:52

Oh, mine will be everywhere. I was about to say. If

43:55

I had one Olympic medal, I would be wearing

43:58

it now. Yeah.

44:00

I'd be like, oh, this enormous medallion

44:02

around my neck. Well, that's my Olympic medal.

44:05

Yes, with a bowl of Wheaties right in

44:07

front of you. Exactly. Yes. Really?

44:10

You know, you could, but,

44:13

you know, when you look at the gold medals or the silver medal

44:15

or the bronze medal, it's like, oh, all that hard work.

44:17

Ooh, them 12 hours. Oh, 365 days of the year.

44:21

Let me put that away.

44:22

Your

44:25

brother, Al, is an Olympic gold medal winner. Yes. Did

44:28

you ever... Did you ever race him? I

44:30

did. Did you smoke him? I

44:33

did. Did you?

44:43

If your brother were here right now, would

44:45

he confirm this story? Oh, yes, he would confirm.

44:47

He confirmed this story. Okay, I just wanted to say,

44:49

he wouldn't lie. But he would also say

44:51

that he beat me to winning

44:54

the first Olympic gold medal. That's

44:57

true. I'm curious, like if you're ever

44:59

on the way to a meeting and you're in a traffic

45:01

jam, I

45:05

mean, do you ever just get out of the car

45:07

and just sprint right there?

45:09

You know what?

45:11

You have those thoughts, but a

45:14

lot of times you're going to a meeting and you got on heels. But

45:17

you know, some

45:18

people running heels, but... Could you do that? Could you sprint

45:20

in heels? No, I could barely walk in them. So I know, I'm not

45:22

going to sprint. This is what I want to happen. That's your... This

45:24

is what I want to happen. That's your

45:27

dream, though. My

45:29

dream is that Jackie is walking down the

45:31

street and some guy grabs her purse and runs. Yes.

45:34

No,

45:34

exactly. That's what I want to say. Like,

45:37

when you walk down the street, there's this rash of

45:39

iPhone thievery where people snatch out of

45:41

your hands. And so, you know, people are really protective, but you

45:43

can just wave it all around. You don't got to worry about anything.

45:47

Can you still throw a javelin? Oh,

45:49

yeah, I can. Is there ever

45:51

reason to? If

45:55

someone steals your iPhone. Right. Because

46:00

you know I got the full duck javelin in my bag.

46:07

That's cool.

46:07

Dangerous runner. Well,

46:11

Jackie Joyner-Kersee, we are so delighted to

46:13

talk to you. And we've invited you

46:15

here today to play a game we're

46:17

calling, May Thunder

46:19

Blast Your Head. So your name,

46:21

of course, is Kersee, but how

46:24

Kersee are you? We're

46:26

going to ask you three questions about curses from

46:28

around the world. You learn

46:31

about these on the website

46:33

asylum.com. Get two right, you'll

46:35

win our prize for one of our listeners, Carl Castle's

46:37

voice on their voicemail. Bill,

46:39

who is Jackie Joyner-Cursie playing for? Cynthia

46:42

Crider of St. Louis, Missouri. Okay.

46:47

Okay, Jackie,

46:49

here's your first question. In Turkey,

46:51

they insult rich, entitled

46:54

people by saying which of these? A,

46:57

you are a child of pudding. B,

47:01

may your domestic help regularly

47:03

look at you in the eye in an insolent way.

47:07

Or C, you donate to public

47:09

radio.

47:16

So that's none of the above, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's one of the

47:18

things. I'll review it. I'll review it. I

47:20

go A. You're going to go A, you are a child

47:22

of pudding. You're right. Very good. Yes.

47:26

Not being Turkish, we have no idea why

47:29

they say that. Next question.

47:31

Next question is very good. In Portugal, you might insult

47:34

a guy by telling him to do what? A,

47:36

go eat at White Castle. B,

47:40

go comb a monkey. Or

47:43

C, go try to reform the international

47:46

banking system.

47:47

Those are insults,

47:49

ways to send them away in an insulting

47:52

way. Portugal?

47:54

Portugal. Okay,

47:57

B. Go coma, monkey. monkey you're right

48:00

Very good. Jackie,

48:03

one more question. Let's go for the gold, as it were.

48:05

In Iceland, in Iceland, if

48:08

you get really angry at somebody, you can call

48:10

them a prumpazan, a prumpazan,

48:12

which means you're calling them what? A, a

48:14

Bjork tribute act. B,

48:19

a fart chicken. Or

48:22

C, a dish of overcooked horse

48:24

meat. Oh my

48:26

God. In Iceland? A

48:30

fart chicken? A fart chicken.

48:33

We go with the fart chicken. You

48:35

want to go with the fart chicken? Yes, it's the fart

48:37

chicken. That

48:40

was awesome.

48:46

Bill, how did Jackie Joyner-Kersee do in her quiz? Another

48:48

gold medal for her robe. Jackie

48:56

Joyner-Kirsey is a track and field legend and

48:58

the founder of the Jackie Joyner-Kirsey

49:00

Foundation and Center in East St. Louis, Illinois.

49:02

Her new youth athletics program is winning

49:05

for life. Jackie Joyner-Kirsey, thank you

49:07

so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

49:12

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