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Hi. It's David Brown, host of business wars.

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I wanna tell you about the hit podcast cold.

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This season, the host, Dave Cauley,

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investigates the disappearance of

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Sheree Warren, a young mother looking

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for a fresh start. Recently divorced,

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she'd moved back in with her family found a

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great new job and even a new boyfriend.

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Her life was turning around, and she

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was happy for the first time in a long

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time. But on a crisp October evening

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after work, Sheree said goodbye

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to her coworkers, left the office,

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and was never heard from again. All

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eyes quickly turned towards her ex husband.

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He had a history of violence and had

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previously lured another woman into the woods

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and beaten with a tire iron, but there

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was also another man that peaks the interest

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of investigators, Charisse's new boyfriend,

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a former reserve police officer who

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also had a dark history of sexual

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violence. The two men closest to

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Sheree swore they loved her and promised

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to protect But did one

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of them murder Sheree? I'm about to play

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Rain drizzled over the canyon of the south

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work of the Ogden River. It patter

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on the canvas top of Heidi Posnan's jeep

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as she drove up Utah State Highway thirty

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nine on the morning of

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Friday, June fourth nineteen seventy

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one. She

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was on her way to meet the strange man who had

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for weeks been calling her demanding they

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go on a

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date. I can't see it, but I'm

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doing air quotes. She

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turned right off the highway the entrance to the

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Meadows Campground crossed a

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short bridge over the river barely more

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than a creek really and stopped

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next to a camper trailer on the far

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side. A pair of sheriff's deputies

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dressed as fishermen stepped out to greet her.

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And I said, what should I do? And he

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said, he just pull

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across the Sheree,

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and then leave the Jeep parked,

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like, the sideways. You know what I mean? As

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Heidi's describing, this to me decades later.

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She's using her hands to show the positions

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of her jeep in the trailer, how

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the deputies told her to park next to them,

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but to reverse out after the collar arrived

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and passed by her position to block

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him from getting back across the bridge to

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the

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road. Sheree

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was the cheese on the mousetrap. Listen,

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make sure when he comes up, identify,

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make sure that he's the right Hernan.

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Two miles down the canyon, back in

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the direction of Huntsville, her husband,

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John Posnine waited at another

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campground called Mag the sheriff

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was with him, along with the deputy Albert

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Bailey. They all watched the highway

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as the clock ticked toward the time

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for Heidi's date to

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arrive. A little

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after ten AM, a red and white

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half ton pickup truck past magpike

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going up the canyon toward meadows. John

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Posney saw a logo printed on the truck's

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door, and the dummy who is driving

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his stats business truck

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had said Hartman Plumbing.

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And when they drove past Magpie, Joseph,

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he immediately knew who it was Hartman

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Plumbing and Heating belonged to a man named

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Bill

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Hartman. John Newbill,

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they had golfed together at the Oregon Golfing

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Country Club, Bill was also

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a fellow member of The Weber Club.

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The caller had told Heidi he'd seen her at

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The Weber Club. It clicked

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for John, he recognized the

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man at the wheel of the pickup as

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Bill Hartman's oldest son, Carrie

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Hartman. The Sheree tried

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to radio the two undercover deputies who were

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with Heidi at Meadows to let them know the

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collar would soon reach them. But

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the radio didn't work in the narrow

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canyon. Heidi had

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no idea who the young man in the pickup

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truck was when he turned off the

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high

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way, drove across the bridge

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and stopped next to her Jeep.

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No. Because I never paid any attention to

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him before. I didn't notice him before.

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The young man rolled down his window.

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Heidi saw he had brown hair, green

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eyes, and appeared clean-cut like

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a cop or military man.

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Kind of forgettable. He says,

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hi. I can't remember exactly. And

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and then I said, why would you pick on an

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old lady like

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me? And then he made some remark that I

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was a sexier, prettier, something,

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you know.

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You're not an old lady at this point though.

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No. God. No. But

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I was way older than he was. I

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already had

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kids, you know, teenagers. So,

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yeah, I was an old lady.

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Carrie Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's

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thirty six. And he kept looking at

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that trailer and was getting a little

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nervous. And

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he said, I'm gonna just

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pull up there. Why don't you follow me up there?

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By up there, Keri meant farther into the campground

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behind a line of trees out of sight of the

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road. He drove past her up

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around a bend. Heidi put her

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jeep in reverse pulled out and blocked the narrow

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road just as the deputies had instructed.

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She then leapt from the jeep and rushed into

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the safety of their trailer. The

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deputies told her to stay put,

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then went to stand next to the Jeep.

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Heidi poured herself a cup of coffee

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with shaking hands. Sheree

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listened for the sound of the pickup. We

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had returned after a few minutes. Heidi

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peeked out the window as the deputies pulled

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carry out of the truck and placed him under arrest.

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They frisked him, finding a small knife

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in his pocket. Then they tried to

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call their backup down at the Mag Pi

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campground, only to discover their radios

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didn't work in the canyon either. So

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the deputies piled into Carrie's truck

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and drove it and him down

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the canyon to meet with the sheriff. I

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stayed while because I was all

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nervous, I guess. Whatever

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you I'd had my coffee and then I got Najib

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and I drove

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down and they were already gone. So

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Only later did Heidi learn from her husband

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John what had happened when Carrie had arrived

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in handcuffs at Magpie?

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John, she told me, had turned to the

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Sheree, he says, boy, I should like to

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smack him in the mouth. And he says, well, look

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the other way. So they

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they had him already out. And

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John touched him. And

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he he was embarrassed. He looked down and he says,

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I wish he had a gun and shoot me.

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Really? Yeah. He said that.

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Because

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he was embarrassed he was ashamed. John

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Paznine had punched Carrie Hartman in

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the face, while the Sheree and his deputies

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looked the other way. Needless

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to say this wasn't legal. The

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deputies had been taken Carrie to the Weber County

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jail in Ogden where they'd booked him on suspicion

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of making threatening phone calls. A

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minor, misdemeanor charge

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that didn't quite match the gravity of

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the whole situation. Carrie

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provided handwritten statement admitting to what

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had happened, I called the lady and

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said, would you meet me at a time and place?

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If not, some harm would come to your husband's

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car and possibly him. That's

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not Carrie's voice, but they are his

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words read by a voice actor.

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Even today, Heidi downplays

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the seriousness of what happened, or

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because he really hadn't done anything other

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than met me. But I'm

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here to tell you, there was something much

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more omnest behind those phone calls.

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Something that makes Heidi's mouth go dry

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and her hands fidget when she really stops

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to think about it. This

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season isn't about Heidi Posnering. As

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I said earlier, it's about the disappearance of

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Sherry Warren, but there's a

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reason we're starting with Heidi

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instead of Sherry. It's because

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Carrie Hartman, the man who tried

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to lure Heidi up that canyon, would

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years later meet, be friend

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and woo Sherry Warren.

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Our story begins with a phone call.

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Voice on the phone said I was sexy. He

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had made literally thousands of those types

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of

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calls. He Galloway the women gets

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to know them, and then if then

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Don't report your body as I found it.

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Everything. There are a lot of missing girls

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escalates.

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She was beaten, stabbed until the knife

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broke, and then shot twice in the head.

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Sherry Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen

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eighty five Her

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friends and family say she's not the type to just

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run away. wouldn't leave her child.

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No one can say just what happened to

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Sherry. No one's faced charges for

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her disappearance. Not her ex

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husband, Chuck Warren, money.

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It was

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big issue. Chuck, he told

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her if I can't have you, nobody's going to.

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And

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not Sherry's boyfriend, Carrie Hartman.

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I

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remember her scene. Be careful with him.

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Yet, two dispositions. Doctor Jackal,

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mister he could be the nicest guy you

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ever wanted me, but he also

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had that sinister sight.

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