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Debate Club. Each week,

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opinion reigns supreme. Each

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guest is a self-described expert in the

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topic they're debating and they'll have to

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prove it by winning Aminatou over. What

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is the greatest sports movie of all time? Who

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made the most delicious on-screen meal? Topics

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there. I'm

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Aminatou So and I'm a writer who loves

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Debate Club from Lemonada and the BBC.

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We bring on some of the funniest, smartest folks

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in the biz to go head to head over

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TV, music and movies that we love. And

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because I'm the judge, I get to choose the winner. So

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welcome to our first episode. We

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knew we needed to kick this season off with some

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hot competition, so we have Karl Tart

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and Lamar Woods debating the best sports

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film of all time. Thanks

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so much for joining us. Today we're

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discussing what you both deem to

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be the best sports film. Let's

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meet our panelists. Joining me today is

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star of the NBC series Grand Crew

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and frequent comedy bang bang podcast cast

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Karl Tart. Hi Karl. Hi. Also

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with us is comedian actor musician

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Lamar Woods. Lamar your latest

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album is called Highly Sensitive Person. I

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feel that. Welcome to the show. Hey,

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what's up? Love, I mean, actually, how you doing? Thanks

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for having me. So happy to be here. It's a

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beautiful day. Before we get into our picks, I'd like

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to get to know the both of you a little

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bit. OK. I know that

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you co-hosted a Gossip Girl recap podcast called

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XOXO Gossip Kings. Can you tell me a

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little bit about how that started? We

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have been trying to figure out a podcast to do

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together because we talk a lot of shit. And I

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was like, oh, you know what would be really funny?

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If we did a Gossip Girl watch and rewatch podcast. So

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I'm watching in real time, and he had already seen

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it. I just fell in love with it. I thought

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it was such a good show. It definitely kept me,

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you know, kept my spirits high during that pandemic. That

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was a crazy time. It was a lot of Gossip

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Girl for three years. Watched it in real time. I

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committed to it. And I only got a couple of

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spoilers. And I want to thank

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everybody who listened and who kept me safe from

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any type of big spoilers. Because

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I finished the show, and I was just as

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disappointed as everybody was in 2012. OK,

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well, we're going to talk about sports today. I'm going to

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tell you a little bit about

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my relationship with sports. I am

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African. I grew up in Africa and in

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Europe. I'm a soccer girlie. I'm

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a longtime, painful supporter of Manchester

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United. So I've had, it's like

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I know heartbreak. You know, I know,

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like, have had some elating years and some

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years where it's just, we're

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going to cry today. But, and I try

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to keep it in check because sometimes I'm like, you

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know, like the sports fandom, it's like a little, it's

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like one area in life where I'm like, wow, like things

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are about to go off the rails. Like the friends are

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about to fight. Somebody is about to go down here. Can

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you tell me like what kind of sports

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fan you are? Are you like, do you

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think that you're chill? Are you a little psychotic?

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Like be honest. I wouldn't say psychotic, but

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I definitely am very anxious. I hate certain

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players. And so when they're

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being successful, I'm really upset. I'm

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a big sports guy. I played all

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the major American sports through throughout

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my entire life. And

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I played basketball in college. There's never a conversation

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that goes by without me mentioning that. And I

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will give it all up right now. I'll give

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up my whole career to just get one

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free throw. in the NBA game. But

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regardless of that. They should do

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that, like a free throw instead. Like how people do

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the first pitch. They should let celebrities do it. Celebrities

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shoot a free throw? They should do that. But they

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should ask you how much you're willing to give up.

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And it's like, you got to give your 401k to

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the league. You got to, it's like, you

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know, you're like, here's my child. You're

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like, what are you going to mortgage in your

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life? And then you get to do that. If

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I'm just doing a ceremonial opening free throw, I'm

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not giving them nothing. But if they're like, you

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can suit up tonight, and we guarantee you four

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minutes in the game, I would

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give up quite a bit. And I know that's stupid. What team

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are you suiting up for? The Clippers. I'm

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a Clippers fan. Wow. So

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you know pain and suffering too. Yeah, but hold

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on now, because I wanted to, I wanted to

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ask you about this Manchester United pain and suffering

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thing. I'm not big on soccer. I can't say

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that I am. So

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sorry to all the international fans. I

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actually was in Europe during a World Cup

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one time. And I was being real obnoxious

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about how bored I was. Talk

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to me about this. I don't understand how you

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can be bored by it. I was like, all

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these feet pushing a ball forward. Like, what are

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you talking about? What's boring as hell of a feet. All

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this drama. Like, what are you even talking about? Listen, I

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got a couple things to say about that. We're going to

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be here for a long time. I'm not too. OK, great.

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OK, we're here. I was being obnoxious about the World Cup.

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The World Cup was actually exciting. If it's just 6 o'clock

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in the morning and I'm watching, today

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it's the Silly 9-8 versus the, I'm not

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watching that. I ain't watching it. Why are

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you watching a race horse? It's

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just buying Munich versus. And you're coming on

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30s, going out. What are you? It's like,

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I got 25, 25, lady in the hat. Lady

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in the hat, 25, 35,000. I'm

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a little different, yeah. I kind of go

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in and out of sports fandom. But I

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think I like players more than I like teams. Like,

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I really like Anthony Edwards. I like

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watching that storyline and seeing how that plays

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out. Or like, Jaylen Brunson. So I think

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I'm just like, I really like

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to get into the character. What's going on? They

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were embarrassing me. We was watching the game the

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other night. They was embarrassing me because him and

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my other best and Phil, they're

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two very level-headed dudes. And

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I look up to them both quite a

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bit. And so I'm sitting here just pissed

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off at this game that has no bearing

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on my life whatsoever. But it's truly raising

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my blood pressure. And I just look at

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them. And I

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feel like I'm ruining the mood. I'm ruining the

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mood because I'm just like, I hate the ride.

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And they're just like sitting there, kind of sipping

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on their margarita. And I'm like, I wish I

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could just not care. Yeah. I have a theory

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of social gender engineering that sports is one of

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the only areas that we let men have big

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feelings and you don't get punished for it. Yeah.

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But I can see. I feel it happening. I

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think part of my lack of emotional

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reactions is just because I don't watch it enough.

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I've been following probably this year more with

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football and basketball more than I ever have. I

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was in a bad mood the other day when the

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Knicks lost. And I was kind of like, where's this? Why

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am I sad? And I was like, oh, wait. I think

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I wanted them to really win. And

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I was like, oh, I was like feeling it. But I

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think it takes like, Carl has been a fan of sports.

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He's followed a clipper your whole life. That

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is going to have a reaction when things

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don't go well. So I do have a

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relationship with sports. I just don't have that

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fire that everyone else has. Carl,

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can you tell me what film you chose today?

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OK. The film I chose today is the 1997.

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I should have Googled that before I came in here. But

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I think I got it right. The

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1997 Michael Jordan Warner

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Brothers Outlet Space Jam. OK.

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That was pretty close. You can leave

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in my snafu. I don't mind. OK,

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let's do it again. OK. I

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chose the 1996 Warner

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Brothers and Michael Jordan Outlet Space Jam.

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And I know that from the top of the dome.

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And this is not an edit. And keep

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it like this.