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Crime, a podcast where two friends

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accents. Oh yeah, don't you know

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it. We've got a very Midwestern

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pairing today. I'm very excited. We

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sure do. Not much of an

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accent in this particular place. No,

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but it is part of the Midwest,

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right? Yeah. We'll

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get to it, I'm assuming. We'll get to it. Yeah,

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we'll get to the topic. Yeah. So,

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I'm Lucy. Oh right, I'm Amanda.

1:00

I'm putting the sleeves on my

1:02

monstrosity of a sweater, but I'm

1:04

very proud of her. I can't

1:07

wait for that sweater. She's coming

1:09

together y'all. She'll be done in

1:11

time for next winter. Yeah,

1:14

you got time or a

1:16

chilly summer evening. Chilly summer evening.

1:19

You never know. These Midwest temps,

1:21

they're unpredictable. They really are. It's

1:24

been very nice here the

1:26

last week or so, but I'm

1:28

really scared that

1:30

we're going to have that second, third

1:33

winter. It could happen. Because

1:35

we're only in early March as

1:37

we record this. It's only March.

1:39

For those listening, it might be

1:41

April, but where we are, it's

1:44

March. Well, today we have

1:46

a very special fan pick brought

1:49

to you by Courtney Lombardo.

1:51

Courtney Lombardo. And

1:53

for some reason, Courtney has

1:56

chosen the topic of hideous

1:58

Huskers. Could it

2:00

be that Courtney lives in Nebraska?

2:03

Probably. That's probably why. I

2:05

mean, I maybe either Courtney lives

2:07

in Nebraska or Courtney just really

2:10

loves Nebraska and

2:12

culture. She's one of the people

2:14

from Nebraska. Yep. One of

2:16

the seven people who live

2:19

in Nebraska. Yeah. Yeah.

2:22

Well, Courtney, here's

2:24

your fan pick. And I

2:27

have some like shockingly weird

2:30

information about Nebraska. I

2:33

have a horrifying case that was

2:35

recommended by Courtney. So we're getting it

2:37

all from all ends. Fabulous.

2:41

Well, I can't wait to get

2:43

started. So Amanda, what is our

2:45

wine crime pairing for hideous Huskers?

2:49

Courtney specifically recommended

2:51

a drink that I

2:53

love so much

2:57

and am so sad that

3:01

I cannot drink today. Why?

3:04

Well, okay. You

3:06

know that yesterday I had to

3:08

take a sick day because I

3:10

had a gastro perisis flare. Yes.

3:12

And I am feeling better today,

3:14

like much better, but not I

3:16

don't trust my stomach enough. To

3:19

do alcohol period, but especially a

3:21

Bloody Mary. Yeah,

3:25

because I like them spicy that tomato

3:27

juice is acidic. Like I just I

3:30

personally couldn't do it. So I actually

3:32

have a couple of little

3:34

pink joints that

3:37

I put together for myself earlier that

3:39

I will be cracking into. But

3:42

just because I can't drink the pairing

3:44

doesn't mean we can't discuss

3:46

the pairing. So I wanted to give

3:48

a brief background on the Bloody Mary.

3:51

What constitutes a Bloody Mary and

3:54

Courtney specifically wanted really fun fixin.

3:56

So I also went down a

3:58

very shallow rabbit. whole of like

4:01

some of the wildest bloody marries from

4:03

bars across the United States. And I

4:05

did put some photos on the drive,

4:07

which will be on the blog for

4:09

you to look at, Lucy, because some

4:11

of these garnishes are absolutely fucking batshit

4:13

and they're so funny and we'll get

4:16

to them. But

4:18

they're shocking and I love them. This feels

4:20

like a Wisconsin pairing. This

4:23

does feel very Wisconsin. Wisconsin loves their

4:25

bloodies and loves to go like balls

4:27

to the wall on the

4:29

garnishes. The

4:31

Bloody Mary as a basic

4:34

is a cocktail containing vodka, tomato

4:36

juice, other spices and flavorings including

4:39

Worcestershire sauce, hot sauces,

4:41

which like I'm a Tabasco girly, that's kind

4:43

of the classic, but you can get really

4:46

fun with your hot sauces. Garlic,

4:48

herbs, horseradish, celery,

4:50

all of the pickled vegetables are kind of

4:53

the classic and like a lime slice

4:55

are like a classic garnish. Or

4:58

lemon. Lemon, yep, a little bit of the citrusy

5:01

acid, which actually is great to

5:03

help cut the spice. If

5:06

you're bloody is too spicy

5:08

and you're having a hard time drinking it

5:10

even with like a beer back, ask for extra

5:12

lemons or extra limes and that'll help level out

5:14

the spice. Didn't know that. Yeah, it helps

5:16

a lot. They will have salt, not only

5:19

on the rim, but also in the mix. Black

5:21

pepper, lemon juice, lime juice, celery,

5:23

salt, some versions of the drink

5:25

such as the surf and turf

5:27

Bloody Mary include shrimp and bacon

5:29

as garnishes. Yeah, that's what I

5:31

like. The

5:34

Bloody Mary was invented in, they're not 100% sure, but

5:36

around the 1920s and 1930s and

5:40

there are various theories as to the origin of the

5:42

drink and its name and it has a ton of

5:44

different variants. Most notably the

5:47

quote unquote red snapper and which

5:50

is also called the Bloody Margaret. You

5:53

can also make a Bloody Maria

5:55

with tequila. There's

5:58

another bloody something or other. that can

6:00

be made with gin and as a gin girly that

6:02

does not sound very good to me? No,

6:05

those flavors don't sound like

6:07

a good mix. Yeah, and I

6:09

know a lot of folks will

6:12

also default to clamato, which is

6:14

the clam and tomato

6:16

juice, but that's not the

6:19

classic Bloody Mary and I find

6:21

merely the thought of clamato physically

6:24

repulsive. I also

6:26

think clamato as a word is

6:29

very upsetting. Clamato is...

6:33

Clamato, clamato. I mean,

6:35

I don't mind a clamato in

6:37

the bloody, but yeah, it

6:39

doesn't really taste like clams. Aye,

6:41

no thank you. It

6:43

is alleged that it was first

6:46

introduced by French bartender Ferdinand Petois,

6:48

who claimed to have invented the

6:50

Bloody Mary in 1921 well before

6:52

any of the later claims. According

6:55

to his granddaughter, but this

6:57

has a very specific failed

7:00

verification on Wikipedia, so I don't

7:02

know. But according to legend, he

7:04

was working at the New York bar in Paris

7:06

at the time, which later became Harry's

7:08

New York bar, a frequent Paris hangout

7:11

for Ernest Hemingway and other American migrants.

7:13

And the cocktail was said to have been

7:15

created on the spur of the moment, according

7:17

to the bar's own traditions, consisting of only

7:20

vodka and tomato juice. It was

7:22

originally referred to as a, quote, bucket

7:24

of blood. Bring back that name. Ooh,

7:27

I kind of like that. I knew you would.

7:29

And Harry's bar also claims to have created numerous

7:31

other classic cocktails, including the

7:33

Quiet Lady and the Sidecar.

7:37

New York's 21 Club also has claims associated

7:40

with being home of the original Bloody

7:42

Mary. To me, this is very similar

7:45

to how Minneapolis has multiple bars

7:47

that claim to be home of

7:49

the Juicy Lucy multiple burger bars.

7:51

So I just think we'll never

7:54

quite know, but it was around

7:56

since like about the 20s. Okay.

7:59

So Yeah, and it's you know, usually

8:02

like a brunch drink or a hangover

8:04

cure, but I'm super down

8:06

for drinking a Bloody Mary at all hours of the

8:08

day. I think they're

8:10

fucking great. Do you remember that time we

8:12

were in the we're at the Irish pub in

8:14

Excelsior and after a night of

8:17

drinking and I was like, Oh, I just need a

8:19

Coke. I'll take a

8:21

Coke. And she's a hard server was like,

8:23

is Pepsi okay? And I was like, No,

8:25

I'll have a Bloody Mary. Yeah, absolutely.

8:27

And frankly, how dare you

8:29

ask and we're leaving? Yes.

8:32

Check, please. I'll take my check.

8:35

You didn't order anything. Great. Bye.

8:39

So Thrillist had this great

8:41

list of quote 13

8:43

insane Bloody Marys that have gone too

8:46

far. I love that. That's

8:48

what these photos are that are on the drive. So

8:50

I'm not gonna go over all of them.

8:52

But I wanted to touch on some of

8:54

the ones that I included. So the one

8:56

that has like a full shrimp boil on

8:58

it. Let's see. Oh my

9:00

god. Oh my

9:03

god. It's shocking. The shrimp boil

9:06

skewers. There's also pieces of

9:09

netting on it for aesthetic. There's

9:12

a crab with the with the

9:14

Emma said antlers with the claw

9:16

the leg claws. Yep, there's a

9:19

full crab. There's roasted potatoes. I

9:21

think there's chunks of grilled chicken.

9:23

Yeah, it's incredible. Oh, this

9:25

is from Phillips seafood Baltimore

9:27

restaurant. So if you're coming to

9:30

Baltimore for the crabs, be sure

9:32

to stop at Phillips seafood for

9:34

the seafood schmorg is more known

9:36

as the crab deck, which comes

9:38

topped with a tangled net of

9:40

crabs, shrimp, potatoes and chicken wings

9:42

for some protein variety. Oh

9:44

my god, this I can't even look at this

9:46

anymore. That it looks so good. Horrible.

9:50

I know we shouted out Wisconsin earlier,

9:52

but Sobelman's pub and grill in Milwaukee.

9:54

I've been there. I was gonna bring

9:56

this up. That was my lunch. Sobelman's

9:59

is known. for their rotating menu

10:01

of wild bloody marries but none is

10:03

more legendary than the Bloody Beast which

10:06

comes not only with skewers

10:08

of sausage cheese veggies olives

10:10

which like the sausage cheese

10:12

veggie olive and like celery

10:14

lime garnish is very

10:16

Midwest. Almost every good bloody that you'll

10:18

get will have like a

10:20

cured meat in it. But

10:22

this has shrimp, bacon wrapped jalapeno

10:25

cheese balls and cheeseburgers.

10:29

You can also get one

10:31

with an entire like the

10:33

whole thing fried chicken. It's

10:38

market price basically but

10:40

the meaty monstrosity

10:42

redeems itself by donating five dollars

10:45

of its fifty dollar price tag

10:47

to a local charity. Yeah

10:51

it's the least they can do. It's a buffet. It's a

10:54

buffet. It's a lot and

10:57

this photo is not an exaggeration. No.

10:59

I don't think we got the

11:02

fried chicken on ours but it definitely comes

11:04

with two full-size cheeseburgers.

11:06

Two full-size cheeseburgers and I love

11:08

how they have like it's in

11:10

a massive mason jar mug and

11:13

the chicken the chicken is like sitting

11:15

up with its little leg like over

11:17

the rim of the glass. It's like

11:20

sexy. The chicken is posing.

11:23

I love and also hate

11:25

her. Yeah. If you're in the Nashville,

11:27

Tennessee area you should check out the

11:30

flip side. This retro casual burger joint

11:32

offers the big fix for brunch. It's

11:34

served in a big frosty mug with

11:36

crispy bacon, skewers of olives, pickles and

11:39

peppers, a skewer of chicken and potatoes

11:41

and a massive snow crab claw. Oh

11:43

my god. And they have a picture

11:46

of it on their Instagram with a

11:49

pug dog looking at it like what have I

11:51

done? What is the sponstrosity?

11:54

Am I next? Am I next? If

11:57

you're in California go to the attic in Long

11:59

Beach. Or they say, in

12:01

a world where garnishing a Bloody

12:03

Mary with a cheeseburger has somehow

12:05

become passe, this Southern style eatery

12:07

mixes it up by swapping in

12:09

a barbecue pulled pork slider as

12:11

a garnish. So

12:15

it's like a thing of celery, a

12:17

layer of bacon to like make a

12:20

plate to rest the slider on top

12:22

of. The pulled pork is like everywhere

12:24

all over the bun. Two

12:26

buns and then they top it with

12:28

pickles. I kind of love that

12:31

the top of the glass is they make

12:33

it into a plate, a platform. A

12:35

pulled pork platform. A pulled pork platform. If

12:37

you want something a little on the sweeter

12:39

side, go to the Star Bar in Austin,

12:41

Texas. We aren't totally sold,

12:43

it says on eating a powdered donut, a

12:46

chocolate donut and a huge cinnamon roll with

12:48

our spicy tomato juice cocktail. But

12:50

we'll gladly indulge in the Hail Mary's

12:52

sweet garnishes afterwards for dessert. So this

12:54

has one of the skewers

12:57

has like your standards, pickle, celery,

12:59

there's a fucking hard

13:02

boiled egg, meats, cheeses.

13:04

Then it has another skewer that

13:06

has tater tots, chicken tenders and a

13:08

full burger on it. And then a

13:10

dessert skewer. It's like appetizer, lunch, dessert.

13:12

The dessert skewer has a powdered donut,

13:15

a chocolate donut and a big glazed

13:17

cinnamon roll on it. If you

13:19

didn't already have diabetes. Type 3

13:21

diabetes. I'm ready to get it. Type 3.

13:25

Is there another? No, but I'm

13:27

ready to invent it. Okay. There

13:29

isn't one yet. Challenge

13:33

accepted. It challenge accepted. I'll

13:35

cover one more out of

13:38

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania at Luke Holley's

13:40

Wild Alaskan Grill. Wow. The

13:43

Seafood Bloody Mary says the hardest part

13:45

about consuming the seafood Bloody Mary is

13:47

getting past just how gosh darn adorable the

13:49

deep fried crab looks. It's just kind of

13:51

peeking at you. There's

13:54

another one in Vancouver that has a full

13:56

piece of chocolate cake on it, but like

13:58

also onion rings. Fried

14:01

chicken. It's shocking. I Wouldn't

14:06

say no to a chocolate cake

14:08

garnish on a Bloody Mary that actually might be

14:11

a great combo I think anything

14:13

that comes with a meal on a skewer with

14:15

it is my cup of tea My

14:18

skewer of tea But for the

14:20

purpose of this podcast being primarily

14:22

in an audio medium though if you do

14:24

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14:29

Don't do it But you

14:31

know do it or don't that's your call I

14:35

do have a key lime LaCroix that I can crack

14:37

which I will do and then I'm going to Rip

14:40

some weed. Are you ready? I'm ready Nice

14:45

crack, what are you drinking nice crack? Well?

14:48

So glad you asked I Was

14:50

so fucking tired today. I don't

14:53

know why you have a baby.

14:55

Yeah, there you go I was so

14:57

tired today, so I asked Cory to bring me

14:59

home a single can of Red Bull Mm-hmm,

15:01

so I'm drinking a vodka Red Bull with

15:04

a splash of cranberry, and I

15:06

haven't had a red boy man I do I

15:08

haven't had Red Bull in Well over a

15:10

year so this may go down Sadly

15:14

the film had a fried crab leg on

15:16

top of it I can't wait

15:18

for you to forget to dump what you pump

15:21

and then June is just awake all night, babe.

15:23

I'm not pumping No good for

15:25

you. I love that then no risk. Yeah

15:28

zero risk 100% reward Mm-hmm

15:31

except risking being up

15:34

all night again. I don't know. I don't baby.

15:36

There's no risk There's no safe

15:38

way to go into the evenings. You're

15:41

gonna be up all night anyway, so who cares Well

15:44

cheers to you cheers to

15:47

me Cheers to

15:49

Bloody Mary's cheers to weed cheers to

15:51

Courtney and Before we

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21:20

treat your clean. Treat it.

21:23

Okay. Before I get into the Huskers,

21:25

I just remembered that Amanda wanted me

21:28

to tell. Oh

21:33

my God. The

21:35

other day I called

21:37

Amanda at about

21:39

2 PM, 2 30

21:42

and she answered

21:44

and I said, good morning.

21:46

Oh wait. I

21:49

was out like running errands

21:51

or something. You're at a Rami's. Oh yes,

21:53

I was. I knew I was not

21:55

in my house. Like fully into your day.

21:58

Yeah. Out in public. Yeah,

22:00

we were recording passages and I

22:02

fucking started laughing so hard that

22:05

I started like sobbing

22:07

crying Lucy

22:10

almost never is

22:12

the one to be the late sleeper

22:14

anymore Like

22:16

I mean, it's certainly not since you had a baby, but

22:18

even before you had your baby You were usually like up

22:21

by nine out of bed by nine.

22:24

Yeah pretty consistently I'm like I wake

22:26

up because I have to pee at

22:28

like 8 a.m But

22:30

I will not get out of bed until I

22:33

have to even if i'm awake. I will answer

22:35

emails i'll scroll I'll do

22:37

and scroll but i'm laying in bed For

22:39

as long as I can get like any

22:41

work done From my phone,

22:44

but so it was just so validating

22:49

And hilary morning. Oh wait. Oh

22:51

wait, it's 2 p.m. Granted We

22:53

all know you were not just

22:55

waking up. You you're delirious from

22:57

motherhood That was delirious.

23:00

Yeah, so yeah have an excuse but

23:02

that was so fucking funny I know it's

23:04

not funny to anyone really at home, but

23:07

Good morning. I just like to relive it. I

23:10

love it Okay.

23:12

Anyway, what is your background in psych

23:14

on the hideous huskers this fine morning

23:16

at 4 45? Okay

23:21

According to the u.s department of

23:23

the interior nebraska is named after

23:25

a Sioux word describing the river

23:28

meaning shallow water or broad water

23:31

Okay It also said that the

23:33

name could have been derived from an oto

23:35

native american word That means flat river and

23:37

all of this refers to the flat river

23:40

That goes through nebraska. Okay,

23:43

she big she wide she shallow

23:45

She platt she platt Welcome

23:47

to platt bill So

23:50

marion webster says a corn husker is

23:52

a nickname used to refer to people

23:55

who are natives or residents of nebraska

23:58

So that's where we get huskers Okay,

24:01

from their number one crap. Yes.

24:05

So the first known use of the nickname was in 1948. Corn

24:09

Husker is obviously sometimes shortened to just

24:11

Husker. And then

24:13

a Husker specifically is also used to refer

24:15

to a student, staff or faculty member of

24:17

the University of Nebraska Lincoln, which by the

24:20

way, is a land grant school like we

24:22

talked about. Oh, yeah. And whatever

24:24

the first episode was, which won't be out.

24:26

Well, no, it would have been out by

24:28

now. Academic atrocities. Yes.

24:31

That was land grant schools. Because we talked

24:33

about like why there are huge universities like

24:35

in the middle of quote unquote nowhere. This

24:37

would be a good example. Or

24:40

also a fan of the university's

24:42

sports teams. I was really worried

24:44

that Courtney was going to

24:46

want sports like

24:48

college sports in

24:51

Nebraska related cases. If

24:53

Courtney wanted that. Courtney's

24:56

in the wrong place.

24:58

No, Courtney said suggestions

25:01

of cases and they were

25:03

not that I was devastated

25:05

when I saw what I was covering today, but

25:08

also relieved because I

25:10

still rather cover this than

25:12

spart. Spart. Spart.

25:15

I'd recover homunculus

25:18

Wagner. Oh, yes,

25:21

you would. According to

25:23

the UNL admissions Tumblr page, Charles

25:26

S Sherman, a famous sports writer in

25:28

Lincoln, Nebraska, which is where my dad

25:31

was born. Your dad was born a

25:33

Husker. Uh huh. Well,

25:36

he was born outside of the

25:38

breath. Was it born Lincoln? I

25:40

don't fucking know. He lived in

25:42

Lincoln at some point. Okay, Charles

25:44

Sherman, sports writer, Spartan writer was

25:46

tired of the UNL's nickname, which

25:49

at the time was the bug

25:51

eaters. Okay, yeah, I don't think

25:53

I'd like that nickname either. We'll

25:55

get to the bug eaters. What

25:58

the fuck? Abigail

26:01

referring to the football team

26:03

as the tired Huskers can

26:05

Gather the first see name's

26:08

of the sport seems where

26:10

the Nebraskans, the tree planters,

26:12

the old Gold nights and

26:15

the rattlesnake boys. Update:

26:17

The Rattlesnake Boys is fucking amazing.

26:20

I like that him to. Say.

26:22

Is all sports teams The

26:24

Rattle name for the Rattlesnake

26:27

Boys. No matter how

26:29

you identify what's your plan, one of those sports,

26:31

you're one of the rattlesnake mop. Up

26:34

by yet whether the rattlesnake? bad

26:36

as. Though escape of our adult like.

26:39

The thoughts I got the sayings india.

26:43

As A As A. Of

26:46

so dumb okay, the name that

26:48

bird eaters would be given to

26:50

the team and the eighteen nineties

26:52

and managed to last the rest

26:54

of the decade itself. About either

26:56

His words about eaters for approximately

26:58

ten years. The. Card

27:00

has got his nickname was for

27:02

a season the school newspaper the

27:04

name refers to the act of

27:06

husky corn and act that many

27:08

Nebraskans dead at the time as

27:10

part of their occupations. Us farmers.

27:13

Can. Say. It. Sounds.

27:17

The. You and I'll football mascot

27:20

is Kirby Husker who is

27:22

horrifying. Photos of her be

27:24

on. So. React to yet

27:26

as I've got more. So

27:29

I found this informational jam on

27:31

her Be Huskers wikipedia page Quote:

27:33

The. University of Nebraska Lincoln cycle

27:36

through several official mascot before settling

27:38

on her Be Husker. The.

27:40

First of these was corn cob

27:42

Ma'am please as be court top

27:44

man says it is the worst

27:46

thing I've ever seen. Are you

27:48

looking at torn down by an

27:50

know I want to get a

27:52

hobby? Look. At Corncob Ma'am.

28:05

I. Maybe.

28:08

Have ever get rid of this. Are

28:16

so. Why? Yeah.

28:20

Citizens. Against proudly he's

28:23

standing. Sure Yeah, that. Kernels.

28:26

That cause. Of.

28:34

Seed planted colonel with apart

28:36

certain would apply. Both

28:43

me and the Colonel's assist

28:45

assist us as citizens. Support

28:54

got my hands is a man and

28:57

green overalls with an ear of corn

28:59

for ahead. After

29:02

eight years, the university

29:05

sought a more current

29:07

quote representative mascots. The

29:09

system. And debuted husky

29:11

The Huskers who was a farmer

29:13

who said ten feet tall and

29:15

were overall with a star hat

29:17

on top of the cyber glass

29:20

ed. Husky

29:22

soon gave way to military

29:24

is rosie the as I

29:26

age I thought digit heat

29:29

up yachts I would court

29:31

got mans leave on coal.

29:34

Leave of gold like that? Apocalypse.

29:38

Well, husky didn't last Law will

29:40

get to it Husky soon Gave

29:42

later Mister Big Read More commonly

29:44

known as Harry Husker oh very

29:46

was equally tall, but dressed in

29:48

a blazer and red red wide

29:50

brim hats. And but Harrys head

29:52

was so large he couldn't sit

29:54

on. The teams traveling boss man

29:56

I had was so heavy that

29:58

the suit wearing a costume had

30:00

to be switched out every forty

30:02

five minutes. The

30:06

physical demands of the Harry costume

30:08

as he gets hurt city was

30:10

looking for another mascot is the

30:12

has it. Has a nice

30:14

insists he for as you acquired

30:16

the rights to Herbie Husker by

30:19

his son the design of Lubbock

30:21

Texas artist Dirk West. They.

30:24

Then hired Disney Cartoonists.

30:27

Pops up. To

30:33

respond was decided to a costume and

30:35

Herbie made his first appearance at an

30:37

aggressive a ballgame said the Nineteen Seventy

30:40

Four Cotton Bowl Glasses of ninety the

30:42

Three Corn Huskers victory over Texas. Is

30:45

my favorite part. Mister Big

30:47

Red wasn't officially retired until

30:50

Nineteen Eighty Eight, and was

30:52

infrequently seen coexisting with Irby.

30:54

Of this this. We'll

30:57

harry how. Subsisted

30:59

on every once a while. Nebraska's

31:04

have basket trauma? Is

31:06

this the. Wrong

31:11

worry, All Landed is a disaster

31:13

up as you don't claim to

31:16

film The Mask with Jim Carey's

31:18

assess assess assess assess of you

31:20

know the villain guy with the

31:23

really strong jaw is a mean

31:25

guy or so. Yeah I heard

31:27

the Zebra Diaz boyfriend. Does it

31:29

have a city that's. Especially when

31:32

he does it acquired. put

31:34

on the bow. Oh yeah,

31:36

haircuts arises isn't the same

31:38

phone start for his jaw.

31:40

that's all be How sister

31:42

this this this this this

31:44

this this this. This is

31:46

a good Roses I was

31:48

dead eyes quarter of man

31:51

back I want is that

31:53

right now he says sort

31:55

of the doesn't I'm getting

31:57

on change.or deficits immediate. With have

31:59

a back door. Corn cob man. Bring back corn cob

32:01

man, but I specifically want corn cob man 2.

32:04

Because your picture of corn cob man

32:07

1 is too detailed and advanced.

32:09

Corn cob man 2 is

32:11

shocking. Is grainy so to

32:14

speak. So scary. I

32:17

can't. Anyway, those

32:19

are my demands. Okay. That

32:22

fucking took my ass out. I know

32:24

it did. I

32:26

was that I'm there's

32:29

still moisture on my face from

32:31

crying. Holy shit. Every

32:34

40. Hey, Colonel's up here.

32:37

Hey, Colonel's up here, Pastor. No,

32:41

no, you're talking to him.

32:45

Corn cob man. Show

32:50

him some respect. Okay.

32:54

According to history Nebraska, the

32:56

state has had other nicknames.

32:58

The earliest nickname applied to

33:01

Nebraska residents was squatters. Well,

33:03

the name first appeared

33:05

in an article from Omaha weekly. Yeah.

33:10

In 1860. The nickname came

33:12

from the fact that many early

33:15

Nebraska set settlers moved on their

33:17

claims before the land was surveyed.

33:19

Yeah. It's like kind of just

33:22

took it over. Yeah. Took

33:24

it over before legally being

33:26

told to take it over. Okay. Now

33:29

we're going to get to the bug eaters. Okay, good. Because I was

33:31

going to ask where that fucking came

33:33

from. So the nickname bug eaters

33:35

replaced squatters later in the 19th century.

33:37

According to John A. McMurphy, the

33:40

Nebraska Territorial Pioneers Association secretary. Oh my

33:42

God. I've had one sip of this

33:44

fucking drink. I can't deal with it.

33:46

Did you get high for me? I

33:49

think so. Nebraska

33:54

Territorial Pioneers Association secretary in

33:57

November 1894. They

34:00

made a jury. Nineteen Seventies

34:02

Grasshopper Invasion. That know?

34:05

Yes, They have a plague and

34:07

they had several years of this plague

34:10

but the worse one was and eighty

34:12

eight seen out. I will get to

34:14

it. Grasshoppers are so

34:16

big. Hole

34:18

Oh. Okay, according to the

34:20

story, an Easterner visited his relatives in

34:22

Nebraska and when he returned home, he

34:24

was asked about the visit. And

34:27

he talks about how people eight bugs

34:29

to say allies as. Well.

34:32

As. A lawyer and and credible source of

34:34

protein and extremely sustainable. We should all

34:36

be fucking easy room. but these are

34:38

grasshoppers. Said. Like them the same

34:40

thing. I don't know about

34:42

the protein. Value. Of a

34:44

grasshopper. They are dogs are generally not at all

34:47

the same thing as a grasshopper, but they said.

34:49

The same engine. They scare you sell.

34:52

Of he's a journalist, heard the story and

34:54

publisher as a joke. This also might have

34:56

been a little xena so they can raise

34:59

our because a lot of those first settlers

35:01

were freed black Americans coming up from the

35:03

south, and also immigrants from. Ireland,

35:05

Sweden and Germany, So

35:09

I think people turn it took to

35:11

it because I get a stupid Nebraskans.

35:13

yeah I'm. April Fourth,

35:15

Eighty Ninety Five, A legislature passed

35:17

a resolution decline Nebraska The tree

35:19

planting seeds. In honor of it's

35:21

role as the originator of Arbor Day, Okay,

35:24

great. I I do have more about the

35:26

grasshoppers. I'll come back to the grasshopper because

35:28

powder, that sort of. I just. Gloss.

35:31

Over that all my this or were you didn't

35:33

fixate on the grasshoppers a little. I

35:35

succeeded. Yeah for it. But. According

35:37

to as others Annika, the Un

35:40

required Nebraska as part of the

35:42

Louisiana Purchase and eighteen or three.

35:44

And eighty know for the Lewis

35:46

and Clark Expedition. Visited the Nebraska

35:48

side of the Missouri river missouri

35:50

rebel and conducted the first systematic

35:52

exploration of the area. Can

35:55

be so Lewis and Clark Crimes. Assassinating.

36:00

I'll do a drug test. During. The eighteen

36:02

forties a plat valley became a

36:04

major migration route as thousands of

36:06

settlers moved westward to Oregon, California,

36:08

and Utah over the past marks

36:10

by the pre existing for. Trade

36:12

for you do polarizer crimes dharma

36:14

lose the gore the as. They.

36:17

Were like explorers. Sure,

36:19

There are way bigger colonizers on them.

36:21

Oh yeah, and eighteen fifty for a

36:23

senator, Stephen Douglas, Illinois proposed a bill

36:25

to organize the territory of Nebraska, which

36:28

would later become the seats of Kansas,

36:30

Nebraska, Montana, and both Dakota. as it

36:32

was a huge area, I don't map

36:34

of this on the drive. Also

36:37

known as the Kansas Nebraska Act,

36:39

the bill raised the possibility that

36:41

slavery could be extended into these

36:44

newly organize territories. Chooses Cel from

36:46

history.nebraska.gov Close when the territory was

36:48

organized in eighteen, says he for

36:51

it was a question of popular

36:53

sovereignty. So. Them

36:55

there was. A

36:58

was like a democratic, old, over and

37:00

and religious social issue. Basically

37:02

like. Zip people that territory

37:04

to decide whether or not they would

37:07

allow slavery. Buffalo, I mean, so it's

37:09

like they decide if if they're. Comfortable.

37:12

With it or not, yeah, it's like

37:15

it's it's a vote for your social

37:17

vote. Yeah. But because it's in

37:19

the North. That. Would never. made

37:21

a lot of people in the North

37:23

really pissed off their like wire you

37:26

eat out north of the Mason Dixon

37:28

line. Deciding that Seager okay with slavery?

37:30

That's bullshit. People in the North where

37:32

bitterly opposed the extension of slavery and

37:35

were demanding that Congress keep. It.

37:37

Out of the newly organize territories could

37:39

use spell that Isis gift to add

37:42

new page for the night out. Like

37:44

that caped. Schools from. An.

37:46

Hour. as

37:49

as as at a set of

37:51

i'm fine and so on the

37:53

us by eighteen sixty seven the

37:55

civil war had decided the fate

37:57

of slavery and the problem of

37:59

the was whether the newly freed

38:01

people were to be granted the right

38:03

to vote. So then it's like,

38:05

okay, well, obviously we're not gonna have slavery because civil

38:08

war is over. There's no more slavery. But

38:10

do people of color have the

38:13

right to vote? Right. The

38:15

Nebraska constitution originally submitted to Congress

38:17

in common with the constitutions of

38:19

most other Northern states restricted the

38:21

right to vote to white males.

38:25

Women were not considered qualified to vote.

38:28

We're still not. Well, you

38:33

voted yesterday. No, yesterday was

38:35

Wednesday. I voted on

38:37

Tuesday. Okay, you're right.

38:41

Still not qualified. I

38:43

fucking rest my case,

38:46

Lucy. Only

38:48

on American Idol. You're the reason. I

38:51

am the reason. I am the downfall of my

38:53

gender. Feminism. Congress

38:55

controlled by those demanding

38:57

African American suffrage amended

39:00

the Enabling Act to provide that

39:02

Nebraska could not be admitted unless

39:04

this restriction was removed as in

39:08

they didn't want to admit

39:10

Nebraska as a state unless black

39:13

people were allowed to vote. Yep. President

39:16

Johnson believing that Congress had no

39:18

constitutional right to dictate to Nebraska

39:20

in this fashion vetoed the bill,

39:23

vetoed allowing statehood

39:26

for Nebraska. Congress

39:28

passed the bill over the

39:30

presidential veto. So they're like,

39:32

fuck you, Johnson. Suck it. Suck

39:35

my Johnson, Johnson. Yep. In

39:37

Nebraska, the legislature, the legislature elected the

39:40

year before was called into a special

39:42

session by Governor Alvin Saunders to consider

39:44

the conditions opposed by Congress. They

39:47

acted quickly to approve the conditions convening one

39:49

day and adjourning the next. It was pretty,

39:52

pretty cut and dry, open shut.

39:54

President Johnson then proclaimed Nebraska to be a

39:56

state and to this day, Nebraska still remains

39:59

the only state admitted into the Union

40:01

by a presidential veto override. So it

40:04

was kind of dry, but I thought that was... I

40:07

thought it was interesting. Yeah. Your

40:09

show, babe. Yeah. Go

40:11

off. On March 1st, 1867,

40:14

Nebraska was admitted to the Union as the

40:16

37th state. And when this happened, that the

40:18

capital of Nebraska was Omaha, but the

40:21

seat of government moved to Lancaster. And

40:24

Lancaster was later renamed Lincoln

40:26

after President Abraham Lincoln, who

40:28

had at the time recently

40:30

been assassinated at RIP too

40:33

soon. Did

40:35

Lincoln become the capital? Okay.

40:39

I just assumed it was

40:42

Omaha. No, I think it's Lincoln because it's in

40:44

the middle of the state. That's fine. I'm

40:46

not fighting you on it. I'm saying

40:49

I'm the idiot. Because for

40:51

a while, it was just

40:53

like the biggest city in each state was

40:55

the capital. But then at some point, they

40:57

moved them all to a city that was

40:59

like closer to the middle of the state.

41:01

Yeah. Iowa City used to

41:03

be the capital of Iowa, but then they moved it to Des Moines.

41:07

And Omaha is right there on the edge.

41:10

It is. It is. Okay. So

41:12

back to the grasshoppers. The 1870s

41:15

marked the grasshopper years in Nebraska.

41:17

Great swaths of the insect. I

41:19

wrote swatches, but I meant swaths

41:22

of the insect had visited

41:24

the land several times since

41:27

1857. But the most significant

41:29

grasshopper raids happened in late

41:31

July of 1874, an

41:34

estimated 12.5 trillion

41:36

grasshoppers, trillion

41:38

trillion specifically Rocky Mountain

41:41

locusts. I have

41:43

a photo on the drive of a Rocky

41:45

Mountain locust. It's massive. Yeah,

41:47

they're gross. Invaded the settled

41:50

portions of the state. They arrived

41:52

for so long. Yeah, they're nasty.

41:54

They, they arrived in swarms so

41:57

large that they blocked out the

41:59

sun. and sounded like a

42:01

rainstorm. They ate people's crops, they

42:03

ate wool off of live sheep,

42:05

and they ate the clothes off

42:07

of people's backs. They also ate

42:10

like saddles. They

42:12

were attracted to anything with like salty sweat

42:14

on them. That's why they ate like clothing,

42:17

anything leather, anything organic

42:20

they would eat. Isn't that

42:22

disgusting? What on earth?

42:24

So everything was devoured. This also happened in the summers of

42:26

1875 and 76, but it never got as bad as the

42:29

summer of 1874. At

42:33

the time, many Nebraska newspapers tried

42:36

to preserve the state's reputation to

42:38

avoid discouraging immigration, but these

42:40

efforts didn't work. No. So

42:43

like I mentioned, the journalists

42:46

in the Northeast, newspapers in

42:48

the East published unfavorable reports,

42:51

but they were unfavorable, they

42:53

were realistic. Yeah. The

42:55

US public responded with charitable

42:57

donations, farmers seeking help.

43:00

Okay, so the people started donating to

43:02

all these farmers and families who had

43:04

lost all their crops and their livelihood.

43:08

And then finally, the federal government was like, okay,

43:11

well, we can't just have like random people,

43:13

you know, so this was sort of the

43:15

first, well, okay, mutual

43:17

aid, well, federal aid. It

43:21

started with mutual aid because people just started

43:23

donating their own money to the farmers. Yes,

43:25

it started with Yes, it did. Farmers

43:27

seeking help from the Nebraska Relief and Aid

43:29

Association had to swear that they had nothing

43:32

left due to the attacks before they could

43:34

receive assistance. Here

43:36

we go. The the nonprofit

43:38

industrial complex gatekeeping the funds.

43:40

Mm hmm. State legislatures and

43:43

the US Congress began appropriating

43:45

funds for food, clothing and

43:47

seeds for the following

43:49

spring. The Rocky Mountain locusts

43:52

became extinct by the early 1900s due to

43:54

the expansion of farming disrupting their habitat. So

43:56

pretty much they had a few last hurrahs

43:59

before they died. out. They lashed out.

44:01

You're telling me they really went out

44:03

kicking. And jumping. Yeah. It

44:07

can easily be argued that grasshopper relief

44:09

efforts helped establish federal and state government

44:11

roles in disaster relief and in aiding

44:14

agricultural producers. It was like the first

44:16

time that happened. That's

44:18

wild. For hoppers, my god.

44:20

I also read another part where like

44:23

steam, like trains moving through the areas

44:25

with all the grasshoppers. The

44:28

tracks would get so slippery with

44:30

dead crushed grasshoppers that trains would

44:32

like roll

44:34

off the tracks. What

44:36

the fuck? Yeah, it was

44:39

a major issue. No, I don't

44:41

like that. There

44:44

is a illustration on the drive of

44:46

a farmer with a horse that has

44:49

like a plow in front of it that looks like a big,

44:52

what's it called? Snow plow? Those are all

44:54

hoppers that they're scooping up?

44:57

Yeah, that's a grasshopper catcher that they're

44:59

scooping into that net. So

45:01

they like clear their field with it. Wow.

45:03

It's like a snow plow. Yeah, but yeah,

45:05

it's got that mesh at the back. And

45:10

then there's another picture. Well,

45:12

it's this of the train. Yeah, it's

45:14

all that. But it talks about the grasshoppers. They

45:17

stopped this train. That's wild. Yeah,

45:20

because they could, the train couldn't

45:22

move because the tracks were so

45:24

slippery. That's fucking disgusting.

45:28

Hopper gets. On March 28, 1925, Nebraska became the

45:30

last of the contiguous 48 states to adopt its own flag. The

45:37

flag. I knew we'd get to the flag. The

45:40

dark blue background with the state seal

45:42

in the center. The seal shows

45:44

the Missouri River with a steamboat,

45:46

a blacksmith in the foreground with

45:48

a hammer and a manville, a

45:50

settlers cabin surrounded by wheat, sheaves

45:52

and growing corn. And in the

45:55

background, a railroad train heading toward

45:57

the Rocky Mountains. It's still also

45:59

had the motto equality before the

46:01

law, which refers to the right

46:03

of each settler to public land as a

46:05

reference to the abolition of slavery. Nebraska

46:09

limits its seal colors to gold,

46:11

silver, and blue. And

46:14

lastly, I wanted to share a little

46:17

bit about corn husking as an activity.

46:20

Oh, my least favorite activity. I

46:23

don't like all the silks that get stuck to

46:25

me. Ooh, the witch hair. Ooh.

46:27

That's what we call it. Yikes.

46:30

Because as we note frequently on this show,

46:32

shit was boring back then.

46:35

Okay. You had to make

46:37

your own fun. Wait, this was a

46:39

fun activity back in the

46:41

day? Yes. Oh, yes. Oh,

46:44

no. Husking or shucking is its

46:46

own harvest ritual throughout the Midwest.

46:48

We always called it shucking growing up.

46:51

Yeah, we called it shucking. You shuck the husk. Yeah.

46:54

We used corn to eat by

46:56

itself, obviously, to make hominy, alcohol,

46:59

or hog feed. Hag.

47:02

Hag feed. Husking the

47:04

corn was kind of boring and repetitive,

47:06

so it was and is very common

47:08

for people to gather and drink and

47:10

husk it together. And this

47:12

husking parties was sometimes called an

47:15

affair of mutual assistance. Kill

47:18

it. Just because it was

47:20

like a group, like people throughout the neighborhood

47:22

would get together and do it. Yeah.

47:25

Like one family. The family

47:27

that husks together, the community husk.

47:31

You could meet your husband at a community husk. Yeah.

47:34

Oh, yeah. And a group shuck.

47:36

A group shuck. A

47:41

circle husk. Yup.

47:43

A circle shuck. That's

47:48

some three-way shuking. Children

47:51

naturally became competitive in many areas, including

47:53

and notably in the plantation south where

47:55

people would have two team captains who

47:58

chose to go to the plantation. their

48:00

husking teams and raced to shuck

48:02

the most corn from a four-foot

48:04

tall pile of corn. A

48:06

shock off. It was a shock off. I

48:08

love it. There were a

48:11

lot of songs that they would sing and

48:13

each verse would get sung faster and faster

48:15

to like energize the contestants. Of

48:18

course there were regional variations in

48:20

the husking activities as well as differences

48:22

based on other factors like wealth and

48:25

probably how much corn grew in a

48:27

given area. So

48:30

closing us out here with a couple of fun

48:32

facts about Nebraska. Okay. That

48:34

we haven't already covered. Hashtag

48:37

grasshoppers. Hashtag corn cob man

48:39

too. The

48:42

world's largest exhibited mammoth skeleton was found on

48:44

a farm in Lincoln County in 1922. The

48:48

late Pleistocene era mammoth is on

48:50

display at the University of Nebraska

48:52

State Museum. On

48:54

June 22nd, 2023 a record-setting

48:56

hail stone with a circumference

48:59

of 18.75 inches fell in Aurora,

49:06

Nebraska. No, that

49:08

could kill somebody. The

49:10

storm left craters of

49:12

up to 14 inches in the ground.

49:15

Craters. Yeah, for a

49:18

hole this deep from the

49:20

hail. Can you imagine? No,

49:23

that's terrifying. Somehow

49:26

it only caused about $500,000 in

49:28

property damage and $1 million in

49:30

crop damage. Wow,

49:34

but I mean inflation. Back

49:36

then that would have been a lot of fucking money. That was

49:38

in June of 2023. Oh,

49:40

oh, oh, oh no. Yeah,

49:44

it was like yesterday. I thought this

49:46

was a very, very, very, very long

49:48

time ago and climate change had saved

49:50

us from 18 foot fucking

49:53

inch whatever hail. Nope,

49:56

probably created it. Yep.

50:00

Yes. There she goes. Nebraska

50:02

is... Gonna get back to my repetitive task. Soothe

50:05

your smooth brain. Smooth

50:08

your brain out. I am. I

50:10

have to smooth it out. Nebraska is the

50:12

birthplace of Kool-Aid. Ever heard of it? Oh, oh yeah. I

50:16

have. Oh, yeah. Sure

50:20

has. In

50:23

1927, the juice was invented by Edwin

50:25

Perkins in Hastings, Nebraska. He

50:27

made his soft drink syrup into the famous

50:30

powder, which made for a more straightforward shipping

50:32

process. I think the

50:34

body of the Kool-Aid man mascot

50:36

inspired Herbie. He

50:39

inspired his head, for sure. Yeah, the

50:41

same shape. So

50:44

gross. I hate Herbie

50:47

so much. Yeah. He's

50:49

my new pale man. Ew.

50:52

Henry Dorley Zoo in Omaha, Nebraska is home

50:54

to the largest indoor rainforest in the United

50:56

States. Cool. It covers 1.5 acres

50:59

of land in an eight-story building

51:02

and has flora and fauna from rainforests

51:04

all over the globe. So, Amanda, next

51:06

time... We have to go. That sounds

51:09

incredible. We go to Omaha to visit

51:11

the Patreon office. We're going to

51:13

the zoo. That

51:15

sounds amazing. And we're staying in that same hotel. Yeah, let's get

51:17

the kimpton. And we're gonna split in that fucking pool. And

51:20

we're gonna make friends with those drunk people, and we're gonna

51:22

have great bombs at the bar. Yeah,

51:24

that was a lovely trip. Drunk dial M

51:26

and propose to them. I did do

51:28

that. That was fun. I did. That

51:31

was a good time. They gave a tentative yes,

51:33

but I married someone else. That's on

51:35

me. Yeah, well, you're

51:37

the heartbreaker. Those

51:40

are the most interesting

51:42

facts you ever wanted to know about

51:44

Nebraska. That is so much

51:47

more than I ever knew or wanted

51:49

to know about Nebraska, but I'm very

51:52

grateful for you. That was wonderful.

51:55

Well done. Sometimes you just don't know what you

51:57

don't know, you know? I'll never forget

51:59

it. get Corn Cob Man. No.

52:02

He's changed my life. Print him out.

52:05

Print it out, print it out. Frame it,

52:07

put it on your desk. Well, yeah, let's take a

52:09

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52:12

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52:14

Do you even have a printer? Yes.

52:17

Oh, good. Do you have ink?

52:19

I do. Yes. Oh, good. Maybe.

52:21

You do paper. Yes. It's

52:23

ink that I'm now not

52:26

confident about. Well, just put a piece

52:28

of paper up on your computer screen

52:30

and trace him. It'll

52:33

probably come out with more details of the

52:35

actual photograph. You're right. And then I could

52:37

take it to Dave and be like, tattoo

52:39

this on me immediately. He'll be like, are

52:44

you sure? Can I fix it a little? And

52:46

he'll be like, no, no, as

52:48

is. No, I

52:50

would let him reimagine it. But

52:52

he also has learned to stop

52:55

asking me if I'm sure. Haven't

53:00

we all? Yeah, I think it comes

53:02

with the friendship of more than 10

53:05

years with you. Most

53:07

people in my life don't ask me

53:09

that question. Because, yeah, yeah. She's sure. Don't

53:11

make her think too

53:21

hard about it. Do not

53:23

own can of worms. It

53:25

ruins everything. It does. It's

53:27

way less fun. I love

53:29

not thinking things through. Love

53:32

it. I do make for

53:34

a TV. I do almost everything

53:37

on impulse. Yeah. Everything. Yeah.

53:39

And you know what? I'm not dead yet.

53:42

Something's working. Something's

53:44

working. Something right.

53:46

She's here. You own a home. You're

53:52

married. Oh, you're relatively

53:54

healthy. You got a decent job.

53:56

Yeah. Yeah. My A1C is down.

54:00

to almost pre-diabetic levels? Come

54:02

on! Your credit score? Oh,

54:05

my credit score's up? Mm-hmm. What?

54:08

What? Impole two. You

54:10

know when it's morning and when it's not? I

54:12

know when it's morning, when it's not. I know

54:15

what day to vote in the primary. Mm-hmm.

54:17

And I did? You've got your shit

54:19

to... You're sewing your own clothing right

54:22

now. So I... I'm

54:25

amazing. You're very put

54:27

together. Mm-hmm. Okay.

54:30

Your tracks are showing, but you're very

54:33

put together. I can't see your

54:35

tracks. That's because all of my

54:37

hair is out. I have none. It's all out. It's

54:40

getting re-put in very

54:43

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54:45

there, honey. Yep. Don't know what

54:47

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1:01:56

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1:01:58

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1:02:00

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1:02:02

Okay. Yeah, it's bad. Okay, so

1:02:07

This is the story of serial

1:02:09

killer John Joseph, Joe Burt

1:02:11

jingleheimer Schmidt Name

1:02:13

is not your name, too this

1:02:16

man Murdered Richard

1:02:19

Ricky Stetson and who was 11 years

1:02:21

old. Oh Danny

1:02:25

Joe Eberly who was 13 years old and Christopher

1:02:29

Walden who was 12 years old

1:02:31

between the years 1982 and So

1:02:36

he had a type. Yeah, that type yikes.

1:02:38

We'll get to why it's not what you think

1:02:42

but it's also Still

1:02:44

awful worse than what I

1:02:46

think no On

1:02:48

par just in a different way. Okay,

1:02:51

so he in 1983 He was

1:02:53

caught and sentenced to life in prison for

1:02:55

crimes He committed in Maine and to the

1:02:57

electric chair for the crimes he committed in Nebraska

1:03:01

After a series of unsuccessful appeals,

1:03:03

Joe Burt was fed pizza with

1:03:05

green peppers onions strawberry cheesecake and

1:03:07

coffee and sent to die

1:03:09

and I think I don't remember exactly what

1:03:12

when he was Executed

1:03:14

but that's not an important detail green

1:03:17

pepper and onions and sausage are

1:03:19

my mom's favorite pizza toppings I

1:03:21

mean, that's a pretty standard pizza

1:03:24

topping. It's solid pizza topping and it was a

1:03:26

good choice Party cut his

1:03:28

final words were I just want to say

1:03:31

that again. I'm sorry for what I've done I

1:03:33

do not know if my death will change anything or

1:03:35

if it will bring it any one piece and I

1:03:37

just asked the families of Danny

1:03:39

and Christopher and Richard Richard to please try

1:03:41

and find some peace and ask the people

1:03:44

of Nebraska to forgive me That's all and

1:03:46

then they executed him So

1:03:49

Joe Burt was born on July 2nd 1963

1:03:56

in Lawrence the first cancer serial

1:03:59

killer I know, I know.

1:04:02

And I, it's,

1:04:05

it's very emotional how he became a serial

1:04:07

killer. So I it doesn't surprise

1:04:09

me. It feels like cancer e

1:04:11

motivation, to be honest, for his

1:04:14

mo. Did someone eat his leftovers?

1:04:17

Ah, no, but he was definitely

1:04:19

like, wronged. Okay. And

1:04:22

bullied, we'll get to it. Well, we do

1:04:24

use our emotions as weapons. And

1:04:27

sometimes apparently real weapons. It

1:04:29

happens. His parents got divorced

1:04:31

when he was a young kid and his mom

1:04:34

moved him and I think he had

1:04:36

a sibling, again, I didn't look that

1:04:38

deeply to a little

1:04:40

tiny pretty shitty apartment in Portland,

1:04:42

Maine. And then she had to

1:04:44

work. And so he spent a

1:04:46

ton of time being cared for by

1:04:48

a beloved babysitter. Now,

1:04:51

put yourself in the shoes of this babysitter for just

1:04:53

a minute. Imagine you're babysitting a

1:04:56

little boy, he's like maybe five,

1:04:58

six years old. His

1:05:00

parents have recently been divorced. He's really upset.

1:05:02

He's also not, he's been told

1:05:04

he's not allowed to go visit his father. And

1:05:07

he blames his mom, his mother for that,

1:05:09

whether it was her saying that she couldn't go

1:05:12

see him or not is kind of unclear. But

1:05:14

he also blames her for his parents

1:05:17

divorce. This kid is clearly a mess. From

1:05:19

what I read, his mother is

1:05:21

a pretty nasty and emotionally distant

1:05:23

and abusive woman, but like you're

1:05:26

just a babysitter. So there's really

1:05:28

not anything that you can

1:05:30

do. Yeah, as a side note,

1:05:32

Jobert's band teacher, a man named

1:05:34

Rich Petrie, who was close to

1:05:37

Jobert and acted as kind of a mentor

1:05:39

to him said, quote, My impression was that

1:05:41

the mother was cold and extremely manipulative. He

1:05:43

was under a very, very tight leash. Now,

1:05:46

you know how true crime media loves a

1:05:49

cold, distant mother trope in a serial killer

1:05:51

story. And I'm not mentioning this to put

1:05:53

blame on her. We're responsible for

1:05:55

our own behaviors. I mentioned

1:05:57

it only because it was a consistent theme. in

1:06:00

the research of this case as

1:06:03

a contributing factor of Gilbert's behavior. But

1:06:05

like back to the babysitter

1:06:08

thought exercise. So as a babysitter,

1:06:10

you do see evidence of

1:06:12

possible abuse or controlling behavior,

1:06:15

emotional manipulation of this child

1:06:18

from the mother. The house is in

1:06:20

shambles and is like almost unlivable, just

1:06:22

seems unsafe for a child. It's really

1:06:24

bad. You spend a lot of time

1:06:26

with this kid, you try to be nice to him and

1:06:28

be as helpful as you can and then you catch the

1:06:30

boy looking at you weird a couple

1:06:33

of times but you don't really think

1:06:35

too much about it because like kids

1:06:37

are strange and creepy. Oh my god.

1:06:39

But like what you don't know is

1:06:41

that this little boy that you're babysitting,

1:06:44

John Joseph Jobart

1:06:47

age six is

1:06:49

fantasizing about killing and

1:06:51

eating you. Oh,

1:06:55

six? Yeah. Like

1:06:57

killing and eating you in an abstract way. I

1:07:00

don't really know what way but a

1:07:02

way that that's not usually what a six

1:07:05

year old in the eighties is thinking about

1:07:07

not the eighties, the 70s, 60s. Wow.

1:07:11

I had a dream I had to eat June's leg but

1:07:13

I didn't do it. That's just a

1:07:15

dream. It's fine. I didn't do it. I

1:07:18

mean all this to say tell

1:07:20

a trusted adult if you see

1:07:22

a child like if you're babysitting

1:07:25

and you see a child in conditions like this,

1:07:27

it's okay to tell someone in case

1:07:30

that family needs help. So

1:07:33

Jobart was a miserable kid. He was

1:07:35

picked on, he was isolated and ostracized

1:07:38

and as the world outside his head got

1:07:40

worse, he would retreat

1:07:42

further and further into the realm of

1:07:44

his own violent fantasies. Jesus.

1:07:47

He flew under the radar though because academically

1:07:49

he did well. He was on honor roll.

1:07:51

He ran track. He played the clarinet in

1:07:53

the marching band. He joined Boy Scouts like

1:07:55

he was just outwardly doing

1:07:58

well. Normal. Yeah, but he

1:08:00

couldn't get away from abuse from his

1:08:03

peers or in his home. No.

1:08:06

Joe Burt was also a physically small person,

1:08:08

so even after puberty he had stayed pretty

1:08:10

small, he had a very thin frame, and

1:08:12

he had a meek personality to go

1:08:14

with his small stature. So no matter

1:08:16

how much physical and social abuse that

1:08:18

they would dish out, his peers, Joe

1:08:21

Burt could not defend himself, or

1:08:23

he either couldn't physically

1:08:25

or he simply chose not to. According

1:08:29

to his former Spanish teacher Francesca

1:08:31

Bergen, Joe Burt was, quote,

1:08:33

a little boy all through his high

1:08:36

school years, adding that a lot of kids

1:08:38

are picked on, but they seem to defend themselves.

1:08:40

I think because John did not defend himself, I

1:08:42

wonder if he thought he deserved that kind of

1:08:45

abuse that he would get, the shoving

1:08:47

the names, you know, the teasing. And

1:08:49

then obviously a kid that's not defending himself is vulnerable, and

1:08:51

so people are just going to keep picking on him. Yeah,

1:08:53

and if he's... And I'm not blaming him. These are just

1:08:55

things that are more noticed as

1:08:58

he was experiencing this bullying. This is to say, well,

1:09:00

if you let them pick on you, then it's your

1:09:02

fault. Like that's not what I'm saying. Absolutely

1:09:04

not. But yeah, I'm wondering if

1:09:06

like, because he was abused at

1:09:09

home, like you said, maybe he

1:09:12

thought he deserved it on some level, and maybe

1:09:14

on some level he kind of got a little

1:09:16

bit of like comfort out of it. Yeah.

1:09:20

Oh, this is what happens. This is normal. This

1:09:23

is regular. This is my security. Yeah, I

1:09:25

mean, the kid was already pretty unwell at

1:09:28

this point, by the time like the bullying was really

1:09:30

escalating in his middle school into high school years. So

1:09:33

something... This guy

1:09:35

could be an entire case study, but like,

1:09:38

that's not what we do on

1:09:40

this show. Could

1:09:42

you imagine? Oh my God, it would

1:09:44

be a mess. He would learn nothing.

1:09:48

What a waste of time. What a waste of your

1:09:50

time, guys. I mean, you can list through it if you want to,

1:09:52

but like, yikes. So

1:09:56

this was around the time when the bullying

1:09:58

gets really, really, really bad. when

1:10:00

Jobart's fantasies of violence really

1:10:02

blossom. It's pretty textbook

1:10:04

from a psychological standpoint. He's small, he's

1:10:07

helpless, he's powerless, he's bullied, he's likely

1:10:09

suffering from copious, undiagnosed mental

1:10:11

illnesses that could easily have

1:10:13

been caused by consistent trauma.

1:10:16

And or these mental health

1:10:18

conditions could have existed simply in

1:10:20

addition to the trauma that he was experiencing. It kind

1:10:22

of turns into like a snake eating its own tail or

1:10:24

like a what came first, the chicken or the egg. But

1:10:28

all of this can combine into like

1:10:30

a horror soup because it's just left

1:10:32

untreated and your thoughts

1:10:35

get away, can get away with you and or

1:10:37

from you. I think it gets scary. Horror

1:10:39

soup is not good.

1:10:41

Not ideal, not delish. So

1:10:44

he starts fantasizing about inflicting these

1:10:46

feelings of powerlessness, fear and pain

1:10:48

onto others. Specifically others

1:10:51

who resembled the bullies of his

1:10:53

childhood. So young boys. Oh, oh.

1:10:56

Oh, oh, oh. There we go. Joe

1:10:59

Burt cooperated after he was arrested

1:11:01

and confessed fully after his capture.

1:11:03

So we do have a lot

1:11:05

of detail about his like descent

1:11:08

into madness and what he

1:11:10

did to his victims. Oh.

1:11:13

And it had been going on

1:11:15

for a while. Like this is

1:11:18

a laundry list of red flags and

1:11:21

it really speaks to how

1:11:23

poorly cared for he was. It

1:11:25

sounds like both at home and even

1:11:27

at school because any of

1:11:29

the adults in the room were really

1:11:32

very clearly not protecting him. I

1:11:35

mean, he was experiencing abuse from his own mother.

1:11:38

But like you heard from these

1:11:40

teachers, they fucking knew that he

1:11:42

was being bullied and they were like, yeah, I didn't really defend

1:11:44

himself. Anyway, moving out like, yeah.

1:11:47

And it was, you know, what are you gonna do? At

1:11:50

this point, it's like the late 70s. So

1:11:52

I don't know what's in place in

1:11:55

schools at that time when it comes

1:11:58

to like protecting kids from bullying. I don't

1:12:00

know what kind of, you know, actual

1:12:02

criteria they had or like protocol they

1:12:04

had for that, if any. So

1:12:07

I just think that this, I

1:12:09

have empathy for the childhood of this

1:12:12

horrifying man because I'm a fucking human

1:12:14

being. But I'm more angry

1:12:16

at the people who just let these

1:12:18

red flags sprout up everywhere and no

1:12:20

one really looked at this and went,

1:12:23

ah, this is getting really fucking dangerous. We need to

1:12:25

shut this down and like, get him some help. Yeah,

1:12:27

the blame was just sort of shifted into different

1:12:29

like, Yeah, so like, he

1:12:31

is the blame for all of this and

1:12:34

the blame is shared among

1:12:36

his community of adults that were

1:12:38

not intervening. So when he was

1:12:40

13, he went on a bike ride and

1:12:42

as he passed behind a young girl, he

1:12:44

found himself overcome with a violent impulse to

1:12:47

take a sharpened pencil out of his school bag and

1:12:49

stab her in the back with it as

1:12:51

he rode by on his bike. Oh, just

1:12:53

jabbed her. This was one

1:12:56

of his earliest memories of feeling

1:12:58

sexually stimulated by inflicting pain on

1:13:01

others and other people's pain in

1:13:03

general. He recounted feeling aroused when

1:13:05

she cried out in pain. From

1:13:07

the sharpened pencil, he escalated his bike

1:13:10

by assault. The next

1:13:12

time his weapon of choice was a razor

1:13:14

blade slashing a young girl as he biked

1:13:16

by. And both assaults,

1:13:18

he moved quickly enough that no

1:13:20

one positively identified him for the attacks because he was

1:13:22

on his bike and he was just like, swipe and

1:13:25

go. Yeah, and probably in that, the

1:13:27

60s or whatever, where he was growing up, there

1:13:30

are kids on bikes fucking everywhere. Everywhere.

1:13:32

He could have easily blended into a crowd

1:13:35

of biking children from the

1:13:37

sandlot. Yeah. Yeah.

1:13:39

So this also establishes something pretty

1:13:42

vital about his MO. He did

1:13:44

want to hurt others. He got gratification from

1:13:46

hurting others, but he was terrified of the

1:13:48

consequences and went to

1:13:51

great lengths to avoid detection,

1:13:53

capture and repercussions. So the

1:13:55

cancer doesn't want to get in trouble. Does

1:13:58

that if he is to be. believed in

1:14:00

all of his confessions, his

1:14:03

fatal attacks on the boys later in his life

1:14:05

were about inflicting pain and that

1:14:07

the actual killing was mainly motivated by a

1:14:09

desire not to be caught, which is

1:14:11

a detail that feels so

1:14:13

sickening and dehumanizing and self preserving. Like

1:14:16

I harmed you because it got me off. I killed

1:14:18

you so that I wouldn't get caught. Yeah,

1:14:21

it's just such a horrifying

1:14:23

combination, splitting it up in

1:14:25

a really sick

1:14:27

way. In another incident

1:14:29

when he was still young, I mean at

1:14:31

this point he's like in high school,

1:14:33

he's like a young teenager. He beat up

1:14:35

an eight year old boy and nearly strangled

1:14:37

him to the point of unconsciousness. Oh my

1:14:40

god. This was the first

1:14:42

time we saw this guy

1:14:45

targeting specifically younger, physically

1:14:47

weaker individuals. It's

1:14:49

like for hand to hand combat, it

1:14:52

wasn't just like a drive by jab. It

1:14:54

seems that the boys that he killed

1:14:56

were not targeted for any deeply

1:14:59

complex reason. According to

1:15:01

his own recounting, he simply killed these

1:15:03

boys because like they were there, they

1:15:05

were smaller than him and he

1:15:07

had been picked on by other boys

1:15:10

around that age for that exact same reason

1:15:12

because he was little and he didn't

1:15:14

fight back his entire life. So he

1:15:16

wanted to like subconsciously or psychologically,

1:15:18

he's like continuing this pattern and

1:15:21

then up the ante for his own gratification

1:15:23

to kind of get back at the kids who

1:15:26

had hurt him. Around

1:15:28

the Woodford, Nebraska area, reports

1:15:31

of a so-called Woodford

1:15:33

slasher begin to circulate.

1:15:35

Multiple people were slashed, they were

1:15:37

stabbed or they were cut in

1:15:40

like random walk by events.

1:15:42

Jesus Christ. And it's

1:15:45

important to know that this is all happening

1:15:47

around the time we're going to get to

1:15:50

it here when he, so he had been

1:15:52

like committing these attacks. He graduated

1:15:54

high school out of high school. He like

1:15:56

joined the army or the Navy or something and

1:15:59

they stationed him in Nebraska. So

1:16:01

around that time, these reports

1:16:04

are starting to pop up. Everyone

1:16:06

survives these slashings. There are no

1:16:09

life threatening injuries, but there is, you

1:16:11

know, by according to the public, like a

1:16:13

lunatic going around cutting and slashing people

1:16:15

at random, which weirdly enough happened

1:16:17

to Tina Fey. What? Yeah,

1:16:20

she wasn't like a victim of the Woodford slasher

1:16:23

because she wasn't in this time in this area.

1:16:25

All right, it wasn't in this timeframe. But when

1:16:28

she was a five year old girl,

1:16:30

little kid growing up in Pennsylvania, she

1:16:32

was playing in her front yard. And

1:16:34

a stranger like some random dude came

1:16:37

up and slashed her face with a

1:16:39

razor. Oh, my God, written on her

1:16:41

with a marker until she like saw

1:16:43

the blood. And that she can you look at

1:16:45

photos of her, she has a scar on her

1:16:47

face that goes from almost all the way up

1:16:50

to her ear to almost her her lip. Oh,

1:16:52

my God. That's what it's from.

1:16:54

People are fucking unhinged. And she

1:16:57

in a couple interviews she gave, she was like, Yeah, I

1:16:59

didn't have like any residual

1:17:02

trauma about this until I

1:17:04

was a kid until I got

1:17:06

into like acting and

1:17:08

improv and then people are like

1:17:11

so critical of your fucking face.

1:17:14

Wow. That she was like

1:17:16

on the drive of her face car. Yeah,

1:17:18

she was like, it was it

1:17:20

pissed me off because directors or

1:17:23

photographers, whatever would, you know,

1:17:25

talk about her quote unquote, good side and want her

1:17:27

to like cheat away like hide her scar. She's like,

1:17:29

I never had a problem with my fucking scar. Oh,

1:17:32

my God. Other people had a problem with my

1:17:34

scar. And now she's like, fuck that, you

1:17:36

know, I fucking Tina Fey, I'm not, you know, I

1:17:38

don't probably my scar anymore. But you're like

1:17:40

producing and whatever your

1:17:43

own shit. But yeah, isn't that

1:17:45

isn't that a wild story? Like people are fucking

1:17:47

on here just slicing a baby's face like

1:17:49

a toddler space and in the wallet playing

1:17:51

in the yard like she was five.

1:17:54

She was five. She's five fucking

1:17:56

years old. That's so gross. Anyway,

1:18:00

In a surprise to. No

1:18:02

One. The. Slasher was fucking

1:18:04

job or it's. And. He later

1:18:07

said in an interview that this

1:18:09

moniker of the Woodford Slasher made

1:18:11

him feel powerful and actually I'm

1:18:13

old and his attacks great. Which.

1:18:15

Confirms what we've definitely said before. Lots. you will.

1:18:17

Have talked about this that like giving sick

1:18:20

I was like this a cool. Nickname

1:18:22

in the press is not the movement

1:18:24

room. And that specifically what happened

1:18:27

in this case or in Joburg mine.

1:18:29

He's carrying out these attacks to reclaim

1:18:31

his like lost strength. So. Getting

1:18:33

this recognition and formidable nickname

1:18:36

to serves as validation. And.

1:18:38

What he's doing, and confirmation

1:18:41

that he successfully terrorizing people.

1:18:43

Yeah, pushed him further where he himself

1:18:46

said that he. Was. Like really that as a press

1:18:48

made me want to do it? Or. Does

1:18:50

it made it like exciting as reward?

1:18:53

And. He was still in high. School when he was committing are

1:18:55

like he had just graduated high school when he was

1:18:57

committing these assaults or. He's like nineteen.

1:18:59

Or eighteen about at the youngest. Like

1:19:02

think of being that impressionable age and.

1:19:04

Doing this lone wolf bullshit and seeing

1:19:06

your story in the press like that

1:19:08

like your fanning the fucking flames are

1:19:10

we can't suppress. really shouldn't say can

1:19:12

do that shit. So certainly

1:19:14

back. He had graduated Catholic high school

1:19:16

and night and eighty one he flunked

1:19:18

out. A college this like the same year

1:19:21

in the fall and he returned home. It

1:19:23

was doing odd jobs and for a while

1:19:25

everything seemed quite mundane. Bet if. It

1:19:27

wasn't like inside he.

1:19:30

Was ramping up his behavior. and it

1:19:33

was. Like reaching a peak and he's like

1:19:35

a doing be slashing for ever. The he

1:19:37

seems silly, but he's. On S

1:19:39

and there's no way that's not

1:19:41

gonna escalate, know? So. This is

1:19:43

one the first. murder a curse. Or

1:19:45

way now he hadn't. Moved yet? Sorry, I

1:19:47

have some of the stuff out of

1:19:49

order. so the Woodford Slasher sauce is

1:19:52

after he had moved. The first murder

1:19:54

actually occurred right before he graduated is

1:19:56

the first murder Cilic. hurt and name

1:19:58

but like no in and or and knew about

1:20:01

this, obviously. She's murdered someone while he was in

1:20:03

high school? Yes. So

1:20:05

this is Richard Stetson, whose

1:20:08

family and friends, whose

1:20:10

family friends called Ricky, who was aged 11. And

1:20:13

the details of Ricky's murder are so

1:20:15

devastating. So it's August 22, 1982. Ricky

1:20:20

left home to go exploring on

1:20:22

a 3 and 1 half mile long trail called

1:20:24

Back Cove Trail near Portland, Maine. So yes, we're

1:20:26

still in Maine. We're going to get to Nebraska.

1:20:29

I did kind of switch up the order a little

1:20:31

bit. It happens. I didn't misunderstand the assignment.

1:20:33

We're good. That's fine. Witnesses

1:20:36

who had been in the area that

1:20:38

evening recalled seeing a red-headed boy in

1:20:40

gray sweatpants out jogging. So sometimes they'd

1:20:43

go exploring. Sometimes he was just jogging

1:20:45

on the trail. He's

1:20:47

11. He's just out getting some exercise.

1:20:49

Many of them also recalled that another young

1:20:52

man or young boy, or older boy,

1:20:55

with dark hair was riding behind him

1:20:57

on a 10-speed bicycle. Ricky

1:21:00

did not come home after his

1:21:02

jog and his parents called the police.

1:21:04

And a motorist found his body the

1:21:06

next day on the side of the

1:21:08

interstate, just like tossed. Oh my god.

1:21:11

Initially, the death is thought

1:21:13

to be a hit and

1:21:15

run. But after examination, it becomes

1:21:18

horrifically clear that the boy had been stabbed

1:21:20

to death. And the autopsy

1:21:22

would show that he had technically

1:21:24

died of asphyxia by manual strangulation.

1:21:27

But Ricky had also been stabbed in the

1:21:30

chest and had been bitten in the

1:21:32

calf. And

1:21:34

his attacker had slashed at

1:21:36

the bite mark in an apparent attempt

1:21:39

to hide it or ruin it as

1:21:41

evidence. Oh, bite mark.

1:21:45

Ricky had been undressed and redressed,

1:21:47

but there was no evidence of

1:21:49

sexual assault. And Jobart

1:21:52

would say in interviews later or in

1:21:54

his confessions that he would relieve

1:21:57

himself of the sexual tension that

1:21:59

his mother had. murders engendered later

1:22:01

and not during the act or

1:22:03

immediately after the act. So it's

1:22:05

very calculated with the bite mark saying

1:22:08

with the not ejaculating near saying

1:22:11

he knew what he was doing. Yeah. So

1:22:16

in December of

1:22:18

1982, three months after Ricky's murder,

1:22:20

Jobert leaves Portland, Maine. He

1:22:23

joins the Air Force. That brings him to

1:22:25

Nebraska and you know, the flashings

1:22:28

are starting. But then there's also

1:22:30

a murder in Nebraska. So sorry,

1:22:33

are the slashings between Maine and

1:22:35

Nebraska like ever connected before he's

1:22:37

caught? Nope. Nope.

1:22:40

No one saw anything that

1:22:42

he he yeah, until he got caught

1:22:44

for these murders. They did

1:22:46

he confessed that he had done those slashings.

1:22:49

Okay, so no, no law enforcement agency was

1:22:51

like, well, there was a flasher here. Now

1:22:53

there's a slasher there. But I guess if

1:22:55

Tina Fey was slashed by a separate person.

1:22:58

Well, Tina Fey was slashed by a separate

1:23:00

person. That was a totally different time and

1:23:02

place. He wasn't slashing in Maine, but he

1:23:04

was stabbing with the pencil. He was like

1:23:06

a little younger and he did like the

1:23:08

little razor jab. Oh, yeah. He didn't get

1:23:10

caught for that either. Jumping around. Okay.

1:23:13

Yep. And then he flat like

1:23:16

fully starts doing the slasher attacks after

1:23:18

he moves to Nebraska. I put that

1:23:21

in the wrong order. And after he

1:23:23

already murdered. After he'd already

1:23:25

murdered someone either like during

1:23:27

high school or right after high school. And

1:23:30

that's before he'd gone to college. So

1:23:32

like he was still high school age. He

1:23:34

killed that kid. So maybe the slashing

1:23:36

now that he's moved to Nebraska is

1:23:38

more of like a way to satiate.

1:23:42

It might have been murder again. It

1:23:44

might have been. Yeah.

1:23:47

God. So September 18, 1983

1:23:50

in Bellevue, Nebraska, which is a few

1:23:52

miles south of Omaha. Danny

1:23:54

Joe Everly, a paper boy had risen around

1:23:56

6 a.m. to do his paper Route of

1:23:59

about 70. The as A

1:24:01

points come to the parents of

1:24:03

Danny. Ah from. A bunch people because there

1:24:05

appears that they had. Gotten their newspaper. Yeah,

1:24:07

and that's when his parents are

1:24:10

like, ah, something's Not right Is

1:24:12

Everly so. They realize that their son

1:24:14

had only deliver papers to the first three

1:24:16

houses. Inside the

1:24:18

gate at the address of his

1:24:20

fourth delivery location. His bicycle

1:24:23

was discovered. Along with the rest of the

1:24:25

newspapers so like rolled up and in his

1:24:27

paper bag, there appeared to be no sign

1:24:29

of a struggle. Investigators that his

1:24:31

parents were at that point holding out hope

1:24:33

that this was supplied. Something.

1:24:36

Distracted him and he wandered off. A kid without.

1:24:38

Attention. Span like that at the cops are

1:24:40

saying like there's no sign of foul play, probably

1:24:42

just. Ran off with friends or

1:24:45

whatever. There were no other clues found

1:24:47

at the scene. His sister however did

1:24:49

not by the danny wandered off theory

1:24:51

and said quote he was responsible. He

1:24:53

didn't just blow off paper. Route to go play

1:24:55

with friends. Or something. She also reiterated

1:24:57

that he loved his bike. Way.

1:25:00

Too much to leave it behind us

1:25:02

because he'd spent his own money that

1:25:04

he. Saved up doing odd jobs to.

1:25:06

Buy. Like. That bike and

1:25:09

all these little accessories for it was like

1:25:11

the saddest part I know. Little boy who

1:25:13

just loved as bait. Them. With

1:25:15

like the red flag? oh. Yeah.

1:25:19

Yeah, so then his brother, also a

1:25:21

paper boy, had not seen anything that

1:25:23

day. But when questioned remember the

1:25:25

feeling that a guy in a

1:25:27

in a car. Like. They'd sell

1:25:29

like. Somebody with following them and they turned

1:25:31

and looked and a guy in a tan

1:25:34

car had been following the older brother. On.

1:25:36

His route the last couple of days.

1:25:39

And. The over would later admit to the

1:25:41

attack and said that he approached Danny

1:25:43

after seeing the boy role in the

1:25:45

newspapers and had followed him as. He started

1:25:47

his route. And then taken him

1:25:49

at knifepoint in the front yard. He.

1:25:51

Tied him up and drove away with him in the trunk

1:25:54

of his car. So there wasn't

1:25:56

like a struggle at the scene

1:25:58

because he came. Toward him. with a

1:26:00

knife and scared him and so the kid like did what he

1:26:02

said because he had a weapon. According

1:26:05

to Jobart, Danny had nearly convinced

1:26:07

him to let him go. After

1:26:09

Jobart had injured Danny the first time, Danny

1:26:11

said that if Jobart took him to the

1:26:13

hospital, he wouldn't tell anyone about the attack.

1:26:16

And Jobart almost agreed, but his fear of

1:26:18

being caught overwhelmed him. And again,

1:26:21

that's just according to Jobart, but it shows

1:26:23

that fear of apprehension was a huge concern.

1:26:25

So he slashed him once and

1:26:28

almost let him go. Yeah. At

1:26:31

least once. The slashing is so

1:26:33

fucking gross. Yeah, it's

1:26:35

really creepy. After

1:26:38

a three day search, Danny's body was discovered in

1:26:40

a patch of high grass alongside a gravel road

1:26:42

just about four miles from where the bike had

1:26:45

been left. Okay, the details

1:26:47

are rough. Danny had been stabbed nine

1:26:49

times with two additional wounds post mortem

1:26:51

in an attempt to cover up bite

1:26:53

marks just like he

1:26:55

did in Maine. Danny also had

1:26:57

a strange star shaped pattern carved

1:27:00

into his chest showing an

1:27:02

evolution of his MO.

1:27:04

Three months later in a similar area of

1:27:08

Nebraska, Christopher Walden

1:27:10

did not arrive for classes on

1:27:12

a Friday morning and

1:27:14

that wasn't normal. And

1:27:17

so folks went out to look for

1:27:19

him and he was found killed in

1:27:21

a nearly identical attack. The star thing.

1:27:23

He was abducted. So

1:27:25

he's like carving a star in his chest?

1:27:28

Yeah, or it's like stabbing

1:27:30

in a star shaped pattern. So

1:27:33

it's a signature of some kind? Seems

1:27:35

to be. He was abducted

1:27:37

on his way to school at knife point

1:27:40

and found with all these stab wounds.

1:27:44

So as with Danny, witnesses claim to

1:27:46

have seen a white man in a

1:27:49

tan car on a walkway near the school

1:27:51

where Chris went to school. So he was

1:27:53

likely stalking him for a few days like

1:27:55

he was with Danny's brother.

1:27:58

Danny and his brother while they were on their Paper. Soon.

1:28:01

As never leaving the house and the

1:28:03

i don't blame you I don't buy

1:28:05

you a such us or and it

1:28:07

his later confession job or it said

1:28:09

that he had driven up to Walden

1:28:11

as he walked showed him the sheath

1:28:13

of his life. And ordered him into

1:28:15

the car. This is probably what he also did.

1:28:18

To. Danny. After

1:28:20

driving to some railway lines, Out of

1:28:22

town he ordered Walden District to is under

1:28:24

shorts, which he did. But. Then wall

1:28:26

did refuse to live out in the snow. And.

1:28:29

After a brief struggle job or overpowered

1:28:31

of and stabbed him. After

1:28:33

killing Chris job or said he

1:28:35

attended a Boy Scout meeting where

1:28:37

he was an assistant scout leader.

1:28:40

ah were that God Roubaix with

1:28:42

other boys. other boys were the

1:28:44

troops discussed. The. Like. Slashing.

1:28:47

That abductions Stop.

1:28:50

Investigators have been alerted the local public

1:28:52

after Danny was abducted to a possible

1:28:54

threat and they had no idea that

1:28:56

threat. These. Boy Scouts. None

1:28:59

of them had any clue that

1:29:01

that threat was the assistant troop

1:29:03

leader in the room with them

1:29:05

that had just killed one of

1:29:07

their classmates that day. You were.

1:29:10

Young. Holy shit that

1:29:12

so grows. Yeah. Oh.

1:29:15

My. God. A. So. Yeah,

1:29:17

presses or snow covered body was discovered

1:29:19

three days later, five miles from the

1:29:21

town. Buy a pair of specimen hunters.

1:29:24

That conditioned his. Body was found. it was absolutely

1:29:27

horrific. These details are really hard to hear,

1:29:29

sort of going to power through them but

1:29:31

they show. Like the intense violence of job

1:29:33

or the taxes, they were just getting worse.

1:29:36

So Chris. With sab seven times and

1:29:38

his throat was last so deeply that

1:29:41

he was nearly decapitated. There were additional

1:29:43

cutting wounds inflicted. Post mortem on his

1:29:45

chest and stomach and they might have

1:29:47

been in the similar like star say

1:29:50

pattern that Danny have. There's more, but

1:29:52

I literally could barely read it one

1:29:54

so I didn't include it. But like.

1:29:57

That. Was what I could possibly get

1:29:59

for. Again,

1:30:01

there was no evidence of sexual assault

1:30:04

at the scene where the body was

1:30:06

found. There were two sets of put

1:30:08

footprints. That. Led up. To

1:30:10

the scene but only one set.

1:30:13

When. Leaving. The scene

1:30:15

which indicated. To investigators that there is

1:30:18

no accomplices as one person taking

1:30:20

one victim at a time and

1:30:22

and operating alone. And marching them

1:30:24

into the woods to their death. Yeah.

1:30:26

On the morning of January Eleventh and Eighteen

1:30:29

Eighty Four at approximately Eight thirty am. A

1:30:31

teacher at the Orders Gate Preschool and

1:30:34

northeast Sarpy County. Was. Preparing for

1:30:36

the day, she observed a car driven by

1:30:38

a person this read later identify. As

1:30:40

sober. Looking from his car.

1:30:42

Into the windows of the school he

1:30:44

stop momentarily. He looked at the teacher and

1:30:47

then he turned around. He drove off but several

1:30:49

minutes later see noticed that he had driven past.

1:30:51

He. Did not drive up to the window this time,

1:30:54

but rather sad a short distance from the school.

1:30:56

Looking at her for a few seconds. Concerned,

1:30:58

she wrote down the license plate number

1:31:00

of the vehicle and wants to drive

1:31:02

away again. But then a few minutes

1:31:04

later the vehicle turns around and drives.

1:31:06

Right back of the buildings of is the

1:31:08

third time now that he's around this time

1:31:10

job or.out of the vehicle and came to

1:31:12

the front door. Of the school

1:31:14

asking for directions. And she has

1:31:17

seen him family. So she went and met him at

1:31:19

the door. She gave him. The. Director that

1:31:21

he requested. Of and then

1:31:23

he claims he couldn't understand her directions and

1:31:25

he asked to come in and use the

1:31:27

phone inside the school. See says there's no

1:31:29

phone inside the school. Now this is the

1:31:31

eighties the like Agassi. this being. Either

1:31:33

it's a small town little rural Nebraska

1:31:35

one. They really don't have a phone

1:31:38

or she's lying and it's like they're

1:31:40

so fucking phone here. Get out here

1:31:42

and I'll let you in either. Way

1:31:44

than Bellevue. Also, This

1:31:46

is in. I. It's yeah, I think

1:31:48

it's it around Bellevue is that the Elders

1:31:50

Gay Preschool and Northeast Sarpy County? But it's

1:31:52

in the out like a rural part of

1:31:55

Nebraska. other that rural at ces south of omaha

1:31:57

i mean at an owl as an eighties i

1:31:59

will to a wedding there last summer. But

1:32:02

I can't imagine they didn't have a phone

1:32:04

there. Yeah,

1:32:07

she's like, we don't have a phone. I'm not letting you in. Yeah.

1:32:10

I'm actually surprised that he couldn't just walk in to

1:32:12

a school. I

1:32:14

mean, if this teacher hadn't been clocking him

1:32:16

coming up and around, he

1:32:19

probably could have just walked in. She's

1:32:22

like, in the right place at the

1:32:24

right time and actually fucking taking things seriously.

1:32:26

And I appreciate that about her. Yeah.

1:32:28

So she won't let him in.

1:32:30

He pushes her back inside of

1:32:33

the room and says, get back in there or I'll

1:32:35

kill you. Like he pushes his way in and puts

1:32:37

her into her room. The teacher pushes

1:32:40

Joe Burt out of the way, runs

1:32:42

by him down the street to a

1:32:44

nearby home where she calls the cops.

1:32:46

So maybe they really didn't have a fucking phone.

1:32:48

It looks like this tiny little schoolhouse. Who knows?

1:32:50

Wow. Either way, the teacher is a fucking

1:32:52

hero. She gave the police the license number

1:32:55

of the car that she had seen and

1:32:57

also indicated that the person in

1:32:59

the car looked like a composite sketch

1:33:01

of the suspected killer of

1:33:03

the two young boys that had been

1:33:05

starting to circulate over the last few

1:33:07

weeks in the newspaper. So did

1:33:09

she not have students in her classroom at that point?

1:33:12

I'm not sure whether or not she

1:33:14

did, but I think she did. Huh.

1:33:17

Yeah. Okay. They tracked

1:33:19

the car that she reported back to a dealership that

1:33:21

had rented it to John Joe Burt, a 20

1:33:23

year old radar technician at

1:33:26

the Offutt Air Force base

1:33:28

while his own tan car

1:33:30

was in for repairs. If

1:33:32

you remember witnesses have seen a tan car

1:33:34

stalking Danny, the paper boy. A search

1:33:37

warrant was executed for his car and his

1:33:39

barracks because he was still living on the

1:33:41

base. Oh my God. They discovered

1:33:44

rope identical to what was used

1:33:46

to tie up victims, a

1:33:48

hunting knife consistent with the wounds of

1:33:51

his victims and a stack of what

1:33:53

were described as quote, racy

1:33:55

detective magazines. Oh, I got a

1:33:57

box of those in my basement.

1:34:01

Great! Well he fucking did too.

1:34:04

Well they're from Kreepe. Kree's grandpa had

1:34:06

them. They're like really

1:34:08

erotic, really

1:34:10

problematic. Mysteries, yeah. Just

1:34:12

like mostly about

1:34:14

like police and like women

1:34:17

being raped. Mmhmm. Like, uh...

1:34:20

Yuck. Not great. Really yuck.

1:34:22

Very, very 70s. Yeah,

1:34:25

very of the time. Mmhmm. In

1:34:28

a coincidence,

1:34:31

bizarre, calculated, I'm not

1:34:33

sure, one of these magazines even

1:34:35

contained a story about the murder of

1:34:37

a paper boy. Oh

1:34:39

my god. It could have been a

1:34:41

fantasy then. It easily could

1:34:43

have been. I mean he did get

1:34:45

information from these magazines. He said it

1:34:47

was in these magazines that Jobart learned

1:34:50

about bite mark matching and

1:34:52

tactics in covering such evidence and probably

1:34:54

learned about some DNA stuff. I mean

1:34:56

with the 80s. Well

1:34:59

they still had like not mitochondrial,

1:35:02

the DNA where they could just tell...

1:35:04

Or at least blood typing. Yeah. You

1:35:06

know, like just don't leave anything at

1:35:08

the scene. Or anticipated advancements in that

1:35:11

technology. Because they definitely did

1:35:13

have that. Yeah. So the rope

1:35:15

that they found was the smoking gun

1:35:17

as far as physical evidence. It was really

1:35:20

distinct rope. Like it's

1:35:22

common white nylon on the outside

1:35:24

but the core is made up of 24

1:35:26

different fiber types in

1:35:29

106 different colors that are

1:35:31

all weaved together inside. Oh,

1:35:34

it's like recycled material rope. Like

1:35:36

really unique. I mean

1:35:38

it was really unique. I'm not sure if

1:35:40

it was recycled material that was in

1:35:42

there but this particular rope was manufactured

1:35:45

jointly for the United States and South

1:35:47

Korean militaries. Oh,

1:35:51

didn't think that one through Jobart. Yeah.

1:35:53

So it's like a military grade rope

1:35:55

and it's a very distinct type of

1:35:58

rope. Once you cut it open. looks

1:36:00

very common on the outside, but when you examine

1:36:02

it, it's distinct. So

1:36:04

because of the kidnapping aspect of these

1:36:06

cases where the boys were taken from

1:36:09

one place and then killed

1:36:11

in another, that adds kidnapping charges.

1:36:13

And then this also allows for

1:36:15

the FBI to become involved and

1:36:17

they could get more resources than just the

1:36:19

state level. So the

1:36:22

case was literally used as a profiling,

1:36:24

like a psychological profiling exercise at

1:36:26

Quantico in Virginia. So

1:36:31

they're doing this exercise and

1:36:34

a police officer from Portland, Maine

1:36:36

was there for educational

1:36:40

purposes for like career advancement, whatever,

1:36:42

as a detective and was

1:36:44

familiar with the killing of Ricky

1:36:46

in Maine. And if they had

1:36:48

not had that class and

1:36:51

that hadn't been a case study in the

1:36:53

class, that

1:36:55

connection might not have ever

1:36:57

been made or not, I wouldn't say ever. I

1:36:59

think once technology

1:37:02

improved, even just for connectivity, because

1:37:04

this was an outer state like

1:37:06

their Maine, Portland, Maine and fucking

1:37:08

Omaha, Nebraska police forces are not talking to

1:37:10

each other. And there's no like wide

1:37:12

online database where they can go, okay, here

1:37:15

are the details. Does this match anything else

1:37:17

that's happening around the country? They don't have

1:37:19

that at this point. That is a

1:37:22

wild coincidence. Isn't that a wild

1:37:24

fucking coincidence? Yeah, I love it.

1:37:27

He linked the case to Ricky

1:37:29

in Maine. Wow. Under

1:37:31

the weight of all the evidence that they had,

1:37:33

Jober confessed within hours after his arrest,

1:37:36

giving graphic detailed accounts of the

1:37:38

killings that he had committed. He divulged

1:37:41

that as his attacks proceeded, he would think

1:37:43

about letting them go but become afraid of

1:37:45

getting caught if he did. So he had

1:37:48

that moment of, should I stop?

1:37:50

Should I let him go almost every time? And

1:37:52

then didn't so he was

1:37:54

sent to Maine to stand trial for Ricky's

1:37:56

murder first, and they secured a life sentence

1:37:58

for him in case anything went wrong

1:38:00

with the Nebraska cases. But as we know

1:38:03

from the opening, it did not. In

1:38:05

Nebraska, he was sentenced to death by

1:38:07

electrocution. Killing to cover up a crime

1:38:09

is also a quote, a significant aggravating

1:38:11

factor and a big contributor to his

1:38:13

death penalty sentence, along

1:38:15

with the quote, senselessness and brutality

1:38:18

of the crimes. So he

1:38:20

may not have been like,

1:38:23

quote, unquote, qualified for the death penalty

1:38:25

if the

1:38:27

boys had died as a result of

1:38:29

the attacks, even if he was like

1:38:32

trying to kill them intentionally, the charge,

1:38:35

there's an additional charge, especially if you

1:38:37

if it can be proven or you confess

1:38:40

that you committed murder to cover up

1:38:42

a crime that like adds another layer

1:38:44

of even if you were

1:38:46

already planning to kill that person, it's just it's

1:38:49

like being able to sack all these charges.

1:38:51

Yeah, it's kind of like when you first said that

1:38:53

initially, it's like you're separating this crime

1:38:56

overall into like two separate

1:38:58

crimes. Correct. It's

1:39:00

sick. Yeah. Wow. Jobert

1:39:04

was apparently remorseful about

1:39:06

his crimes, but simply unable to stop himself,

1:39:08

according to him. From an interview in 1996,

1:39:11

quote, the murders provided material

1:39:13

for the violent fantasies. That's all the

1:39:16

gratification it was. I can't do anything

1:39:18

except apologize. And I am sorry, it

1:39:21

shouldn't have happened. It was

1:39:23

the power and the domination and seeing the

1:39:25

fear that was more exciting than actually causing

1:39:28

the harm. And even while in prison, he

1:39:30

was found to be drawing depictions of boys

1:39:32

being tied up and stabbed on like pieces

1:39:34

of scrap paper and toilet paper. Oh, my

1:39:38

God, the desperation. Yeah, it's

1:39:42

which like to me, and

1:39:45

again, this is not absolve him of

1:39:47

fucking anything, but to me kind of

1:39:49

affirms what he said that it had become

1:39:51

like impulse like he couldn't stop a complete

1:39:54

fixation. Yeah. If

1:39:56

you're literally grabbing at any paper

1:39:59

you have. The Draw: How

1:40:01

these fantasies? Yeah, There's.

1:40:03

It does. I want to believe

1:40:06

that nobody is beyond some kind of

1:40:08

healing, but if he were not sense

1:40:10

to death I would never in my

1:40:12

life what this man to walk free.

1:40:14

As for. Fuck.

1:40:17

No. So yeah,

1:40:19

it's this. Wild

1:40:21

and like we will never be. Rid

1:40:23

of horrors like this entirely

1:40:25

because human beings are fucked

1:40:28

up. But like that's. Why

1:40:30

I get so angry Because I

1:40:32

do think that there. Is

1:40:35

the only way we can ever get

1:40:37

rid of horrors like this is if

1:40:39

we are really coming at society from

1:40:42

like a holistic, restorative and preventative perspective.

1:40:45

Because like I was saying earlier, this

1:40:47

guy showed this as a kid, showed

1:40:49

so many red flags throughout his life

1:40:51

and like it really makes you wonder

1:40:54

if he could have been prevented. From.

1:40:56

Doing these things. If only someone

1:40:59

had cared. So fucking look more closely

1:41:01

at this like abuse and bullied boy

1:41:03

who like to fuck and stab people.

1:41:06

Yeah. Well. Back to the

1:41:08

baby sitter. Yeah, I admit

1:41:11

that. Like after he was hot.

1:41:13

I yeah I think he taught that was

1:41:15

of the he discussed in he likes to

1:41:17

talk it sounded like before he was executed

1:41:20

so there any as a kid gave that

1:41:22

information. When I was like a little

1:41:24

bit of like cannibalism fantasy, there was there

1:41:26

any evidence. Yet they're really bite marks. There

1:41:28

are bite marks on all of his. All

1:41:31

the boys he killed didn't like take a

1:41:33

bite out of them or anything. I don't

1:41:35

think so. I don't. I don't think

1:41:37

there's additional. It felt like. He

1:41:40

was. I don't think he was

1:41:42

like eating but as so that fantasy there

1:41:44

as. Biting?

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at least? Yeah, well.

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Anyway, thanks for the.

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Suggestion Courtney That's a really wild case

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and I'm kind of surprise I had

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never heard of that. The for. some