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the breaker that my computer's connected to.

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we record this and that is why

2:39

I bought myself a bouquet of flowers.

2:42

You know what? Good for you. Look

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how cute they are. They are cute.

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holiday, a weird

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holiday to treat yourself, but

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you? I'm Amanda. I

3:01

thought I already said that. Did you?

3:03

Maybe I didn't. I don't

3:05

fucking know what is going on.

3:07

This is a fucking trailer. And

3:14

I bet there's a song about it. We're

3:17

not. Oh, there probably is because that

3:19

is a great reminder that I should say

3:21

what the topic is this week. This

3:23

week, we have a

3:25

very special fan pick from the

3:28

lovely Sarah Gallop who Gallop

3:30

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3:32

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3:34

sponsor her own episode. And with

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that power, she chose Swifty Crime.

3:45

I was actually super amped about this

3:47

because I know next to nothing about

3:49

Taylor Swift. I mean, the

3:52

case that she she included cases

3:54

or they I'm not I'm not sure how they

3:56

identify my bad. And

3:59

So. As per use. We.

4:02

Get these fun little pop acts and

4:04

then the fan pick case is. Nightmare.

4:07

Fuel Nightmare. Fuel

4:09

Deep drama. but

4:11

it? you know

4:13

it's. It's interesting, is certainly

4:15

a case study and will get

4:18

to it, but not without. The.

4:20

Help. Of. Controlled.

4:24

Substances Ah. Ah

4:27

ah, what does

4:29

make bless them.

4:32

Was. Is exactly or I'm

4:34

Sarah. Did. Say.

4:37

That. They wanted at least one of. Us. Of

4:39

I texted Lucien said do you have this and

4:41

will you drink it because I don't want to.

4:45

Do and partake. In I'm not

4:47

a like and garbage disposal when it comes

4:49

to places so especially. Now

4:52

that. Babies out is relative his

4:54

arm bright desire to go. Up

4:57

Allegedly and did I confirm

4:59

this? Know. Because I don't care to

5:01

and I don't wanna tell my algorithms to

5:03

send me things related to Taylor Swift though

5:06

Now. It's gonna happen anyway because my

5:08

phone is in this room and we're talking about

5:10

earth as are avoiding it. But that's my long

5:12

winded were saying that I look this up know

5:14

But Sarah said. Taylor's

5:17

was favorite. Beverage.

5:20

Is. Solve blog with

5:22

ice. And

5:25

not. as san really ever

5:27

of wine with ice but.

5:31

I am taking one for the team.

5:33

I don't have a slump with ice.

5:35

Ready to Go! And I also just

5:37

wanna say right now that I have

5:39

a little fun fact in my notes

5:42

that Receipts. Taylor's.

5:44

During the chase and you know far

5:46

be it for us to limit her

5:48

to just one drink of choice. I

5:50

might only more than one but her

5:52

second one the one that I have

5:54

is way more foul Done This so

5:56

great. So it's all about love

5:58

that. I'm

6:00

not a Swifty and so the shade

6:03

I will be throwing It's

6:06

not something that I'm gonna apologize

6:08

for I won't

6:10

read the DM. I just I I

6:12

don't really I don't really get it.

6:14

I think she is mediocre

6:18

and I understand you can

6:20

work hard and I'm

6:24

sure she does. I just I

6:26

don't I don't care for her

6:28

and I don't care for The

6:31

very lackluster quote-unquote

6:33

Activism that she does and that's all I'm really

6:35

gonna say about it until I say more about

6:37

it later So

6:41

Lucy is taking one for the team and drinking

6:43

the soft blog with ice I

6:45

am Going

6:47

in a different direction and This

6:50

is something that my husband picked up that

6:52

I've been really excited to try and thought

6:54

that just today would be perfect Because he picked

6:57

it up like two days ago and now we're

6:59

recording and so here we go He

7:02

brought home for me a non-alcoholic THC

7:08

infused wine Whoa

7:11

we hear from Aurora cannabis,

7:13

which is based on a prior Lake, Minnesota. The

7:16

wine is called We

7:19

weed Oh you ID weed wine

7:21

and The

7:25

alcohol has been removed and

7:28

I looked up kind of like how

7:32

They do that Yeah

7:36

So I thought this was really cool

7:38

because it's non-alcoholic and even if you

7:40

don't partake in THC products

7:42

as well Not

7:45

obviously I'm not recommending this because it says THC in

7:47

it, but there are entire lines

7:49

of non-alcoholic wine There's non-alcoholic sparklings

7:51

You can still get like a

7:53

similar experience without having to drink

7:56

the alcohol and just with like the meds that I've been

7:58

on I have really not been drinking

8:00

very much alcohol. I'm almost exclusively

8:03

on the weed train these days so I thought

8:05

this would be something cool to check out

8:07

and I looked into how

8:10

non-alcoholic wine is made and

8:14

so it's obviously science.

8:17

A chemistry occurs. Oh. Sparkling

8:21

grape juice is not

8:24

true non-alcoholic wine like the stuff that

8:26

your parents used to get you for

8:28

like middle school New Year's Eve

8:30

parties. That's not what I'm talking about

8:33

when we talk about non-alcoholic wine.

8:35

Something like way too much sugar right?

8:37

Way too much sugar and it's just

8:39

that's it's that isn't made with the

8:42

same process that wine is made to

8:44

make it wine. Like

8:46

wine having alcohol in it is

8:48

only one part of what makes it wine.

8:51

It's not like all not all

8:54

wine has to have alcohol. The alcohol can be

8:56

removed and it is still a wine but

8:58

the process for making it is different.

9:01

So sparkling grape

9:03

juice never goes through the

9:05

process of vinification and never has

9:07

any yeast added to it to

9:09

help create the alcohol that we find

9:12

in traditional wine and also in non-alcoholic

9:14

wine. There is like a

9:16

tiny trace amount of alcohol in

9:18

non-alcoholic wine similar to what you

9:20

would find in like kombucha. Kombucha,

9:23

yeah. But non-alcoholic wine

9:26

follows the exact same steps as

9:28

traditional wine with alcohol but during

9:30

the last part of the process the

9:32

alcohol is removed from the wine and

9:35

this can be done in a couple of different ways but the most

9:37

common way to remove alcohol from wine is through a

9:39

process known as vacuum distillation and

9:43

vacuum distillation uses heat to

9:45

evaporate most of the alcohol in

9:47

the wine leaving only trace amounts of

9:49

alcohol and also keeping a

9:51

lot of the flavor. So by maintaining the highest

9:54

heat possible without getting it to the point

9:56

where it'll burn or boil the Alcohol

9:59

can be removed. The leaving all

10:01

of the original wind flavor intact

10:03

that was created during like. That.

10:06

Vinification process. Oh hi

10:09

Ray! Ah this way.

10:11

So I'm super excited that you

10:13

know bought or non alcoholic wines

10:15

are designed to taste the same

10:17

as. Traditional line and because alcohol

10:20

free one goes to the exact

10:22

same. Process: As traditional wind,

10:24

there's. A lot of similarities like.

10:27

I've never. I've actually never had

10:29

non alcoholic red wines as a

10:31

Cabernet, and I have read on

10:33

alcoholics. Yeah, I that non alcoholic

10:36

sparkling but I'm mary excited to check

10:38

this out! And so

10:40

yeah they deserve the like

10:42

heat distillation, alcohol removal process

10:44

that then. That the products was

10:46

infused with Thc after the fact and

10:48

then you know, bottles and sold by

10:51

this. Aurora Cannabis Company.

10:53

That super cool to know anything

10:55

about the ensues and process. I

10:57

don't but I could find out.

11:00

Well. That could also be as

11:02

next wine pairing a good one.

11:04

Say that, Tell the other way

11:06

this then I'll need more things

11:08

to talk about next time exactly.

11:11

This. Is courts but it doesn't need it.

11:13

looks leaders the line t like you could just

11:15

gonna pull it off so. Should we give

11:18

that a try? Yeah as

11:20

saw. Move.

11:24

On that. Says list. The

11:27

cutest little pat it smells like why?

11:29

And I'll tell you what, immigrant my

11:31

eyes into my something on Blown! Currently

11:33

ready for that A A S M

11:35

R dump. It is

11:38

Ops sorry. Set

11:40

up my eyes. Well.

11:48

Does. Has. a taste

11:50

as good honestly taste it taste like

11:52

wine yeah like if you gave me

11:54

this a didn't tell me that the

11:56

alcohol had been removed i would be

11:58

like wow that's the smooth as gentlest,

12:01

least acidic wine I've

12:03

ever tasted. I might not even know that there

12:06

was supposed to be alcohol in it. Do you still get

12:08

that little belly burn? No,

12:10

you don't get that. But

12:13

wow, this is, I'm like kind

12:16

of shook. You're gonna be fucked up

12:18

after that bottle. I should

12:20

have checked how much is in

12:22

here. How many milligrams? There's only 10

12:24

milligrams per bottle. Oh,

12:26

that's nothing. That's not gonna do

12:29

shit to me. I'm microdosing. You're saving

12:31

those bills. I'm definitely microdosing,

12:33

but I also have a joint here

12:35

for when things get beyond my ability

12:38

to handle without more controlled

12:41

substances. Well, my beverage so far

12:43

just tastes like cold sieving en blanc, but

12:45

I'm sure as the ice melts, it's not

12:48

gonna taste quite as good. I'm

12:50

sure it'll lose flavor as God

12:52

intended. Yeah. All

12:54

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19:39

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Crimes? Well, well,

19:45

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19:52

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of the millennial generation. Okay.

19:56

Oh, God. It's our fault, isn't it? Well,

20:00

Apple Going to get to Taylor Swift is. Quite

20:03

multi generational. I mean I know you're not

20:05

a fan of healer says I'm personally not

20:07

either. But the more that I read and

20:10

learned about her. Point.

20:12

Impress as such as have

20:14

an open mind. Okay, seven, I'm

20:16

a minute mind an open heart.

20:18

I will never claim. To be

20:21

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20:23

gonna start now if it through the

20:25

will. Do our best! So

20:28

Taylor Allison Swift was born

20:30

in West Reading, Reading. Pennsylvania.

20:34

Think it's reading By thing is reading. Twenty.

20:36

Five people are screaming right now. Yep,

20:39

on December Thirteenth. Nineteen Eighty Nine.

20:41

So she's a Sad terriers. Assads.

20:45

At the age of eleven, See

20:47

sang the national anthem at a

20:49

Philadelphia Seventy Sixers basketball game. Since

20:52

he was already. Written. For

20:55

the Stars. At. Age twelve,

20:57

she began playing the guitar and

20:59

writing songs. The. Following year her

21:01

family sold their farm in

21:03

Pennsylvania and move to Hendersonville Tenn.

21:06

So that's left side of

21:08

find a record label near

21:10

Nashville. Ever heard of it?

21:13

Yes in two thousand and

21:15

five at age fifteen, Taylor

21:17

says signed it to Record

21:19

Executive Scott Boras Shadows, Bruce

21:21

Shutters, Lado Both. You

21:23

fucking love reset And so do

21:25

I really do. Especially. With

21:27

burrata. Guess. Brought

21:30

up or shut at all Birds.

21:32

And sold all birds

21:35

foods. Do. I like Taylor

21:37

Swift thou because seaside lip or

21:39

subtle. Know because percent of kind of

21:41

a deck. Phrase. Ah

21:43

will get to it so

21:45

preset as labeled with com

21:47

big machines. That was her

21:49

first record label see signed

21:52

a thirteen year of recording

21:54

deal. These deals are. So

21:56

while I mean like looking.

21:58

into the cash or stuff it's Kookabanam

22:00

is what they lock these people

22:02

into. We will get

22:04

so far into it. You don't even know.

22:08

OK, so her 13-year recording

22:10

deal produced six albums. So

22:12

these albums were Taylor Swift,

22:15

Fearless, Speak Now, Red, 1989,

22:18

and Reputation. As

22:22

part of the contract, Big Machine

22:24

Records gained ownership of the masters

22:26

for these albums in exchange for

22:28

a cash advance. I

22:31

mean, she's fucking 15. Yeah.

22:33

Didn't know how far she'd fly. Didn't

22:35

know how high she would fly. And

22:37

also, who knows who was in charge

22:39

of signing these deals,

22:41

reading the fine print. It

22:45

was probably her parents. Also,

22:49

she's so young. They probably

22:51

offered her a big sum of money. And

22:53

they were just like, yes, let's do this.

22:56

But yeah, a 13-year contract

22:59

is a lot. Yep.

23:01

Especially in retrospect. In

23:05

2018, Swift left

23:07

Big Machine and signed with Republic

23:09

Records and Universal Music Group. In

23:13

2019, her former label was sold

23:15

to Ithaca Holdings, which was

23:17

a company owned by a dude named

23:19

Scooter Braun. Oh, yeah. And

23:22

it was sold to him for $330 million. And

23:28

Braun was already known for

23:30

managing the careers of Justin

23:32

Bieber, Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato,

23:34

and Kanye West. We'll get

23:36

back to Kanye West. So

23:39

this meant that the sale also gave Scooter

23:41

Braun the rights to all

23:43

of the master recordings of Swift's

23:46

old music. So everything she had

23:48

already recorded with Big Machine. So

23:52

if anyone wanted to license one of her

23:55

old songs to play in a show or

23:57

a movie or an advertisement or like, what?

24:00

whatever, they wouldn't go to

24:02

Taylor Swift, but they would instead

24:04

go to Scooter Braun, ask for

24:06

his permission, and pay him the

24:08

licensing fee. She had no control

24:10

over... Where her music was

24:12

going. Where her music of these six fucking

24:15

records was going. So

24:17

this allegedly was not the agreed upon

24:19

arrangement with Swift when she left Big

24:21

Machine. Bruchetta claimed that

24:24

they offered to let Taylor Swift

24:26

buy her masters, but

24:28

that she had declined. By then they were worth

24:31

a lot of fucking money too, so they probably were wanting a

24:33

lot of money for them. Well, they

24:35

were like, well before she left, we offered to

24:37

let her buy these masters, but she said no.

24:40

But she's saying like, they

24:42

offered like a ridiculous, like

24:45

something super stupid. Unreasonable.

24:48

So Taylor Swift denied this, and

24:50

she was also pissed because she

24:52

knew that Scooter Braun was a

24:54

quote, or she quoted,

24:56

she is quoted as saying that

24:59

Scooter Braun is a quote incessant,

25:01

manipulative bully. Essentially,

25:03

my music legacy is about to lie

25:05

in the hands of someone who tried

25:08

to dismantle it. So again...

25:10

Not a great feeling, I'm sure. This

25:12

was in 2018, so

25:16

we're jumping around a little bit, but if

25:18

you recall the Kanye West Taylor Swift drama.

25:22

There's a little rundown. So after

25:24

she said at the

25:26

hands of someone who tried to dismantle

25:29

it, she highlighted Braun's involvement in the

25:31

creation of Kanye West's music video for

25:33

his 2016 single called Famous,

25:37

which she described as quote, revenge

25:39

porn music video, which strips her

25:41

body naked. So the

25:43

lyrics include quote, I feel like me

25:46

and Taylor might still have sex. Why?

25:49

I made that bitch famous. And

25:52

there's a photo on the drive of still

25:54

of the video that shows Taylor Swift like

25:56

a Model, like a doll

25:59

reproduction of her. there are in

26:01

bed next to tiny west. And

26:04

then on the other side of him is. Kim.

26:06

Kardashians. So it just

26:08

it was really. Objectifying

26:11

massage in this grows that he

26:13

put her in says into the

26:15

music video into the lyrics of

26:17

is on. Yeah. And there's

26:19

like. Dispute. Over how much

26:22

can sense she gave on any of that.

26:24

Like there's a phone call order. So it

26:26

yeah. We're going to get to it.

26:29

Some kind of working backwards hear the

26:31

tension is traced back to the two

26:33

thousand and Nine. The Amazed: when Tanya

26:35

interrupted Taylor's acceptance speech for a fifth

26:37

best female video for You Belong To

26:39

Me. Cell. With

26:41

leave by the Us as the logs with

26:43

the you belong to me it's you Belong

26:46

with me. Wherever. Okay. Sat

26:48

down, With.

26:52

Yeah, you're right of a downer. You.

26:55

Belied. I don't love Taylor

26:57

Swift, but I am on

26:59

the Autism spectrum. Saw Zelda.

27:01

Remember this sooner. Allow us

27:03

to hire a segment high

27:05

end of this broadcast. Sigma

27:07

Aids expose my mammogram on.

27:11

My attention to pop culture

27:13

detail. Honestly, this is further.

27:15

Is. Why? Getting

27:17

high helps because then you

27:19

can just be like whatever.

27:21

I'm high care of herself.

27:23

Ssssss. Level and excuse. Right?

27:26

Be. I. Will say this

27:28

is not my first class or

27:30

something on blog tonight so are

27:32

gonna lose a mile. His last

27:34

does such a mom such a

27:37

matter the baby save don't ask

27:39

me. So

27:41

here is ourselves leader Eric. Where is the

27:43

bit about. That

27:46

for every other on the other room. yeah that is

27:48

somebody by. Lyrics:

27:50

I'd say this is a quote

27:52

from Taylor's from Time Yea West

27:54

at that The amaze. He

27:57

said he'll taylor I'm really happy for

27:59

you. I'm alleges less than the yeah

28:01

say had one of the best videos

28:03

of all time. Shortly.

28:05

After a son told reporters

28:07

quote i know he's not

28:09

wrong zero. That that was one time

28:12

where he is now I. Told her

28:14

well she got so much worse idea.

28:16

We all know that he saw rolled

28:18

your pebble in. We. Did. Shortly.

28:21

After a senseless told reporters quote I

28:23

was standing on stage and I was

28:25

really excited because I just won an

28:28

award and then I was really excited

28:30

because Tanya Wessels on stage and then

28:32

I was excited anymore After. That. And

28:36

that a chemistry occurred and I was no lock

28:38

are. Excited for today.

28:41

I. Mean a day I say Had

28:43

so much. Like grace

28:45

and that professionalism in that.

28:48

Yeah. Situation as well. And you

28:50

know. She did not have

28:52

to share her spotlight when see one

28:55

later in the evening and with Taylor

28:57

Swift's. Like. What happened had nothing

28:59

to do with her was not know on

29:01

sublimely and at you know it's It's really

29:03

speaks to her character in a lot of

29:05

ways that she would. You. Know extend

29:07

that. In. The moment and I.

29:10

Totally recognize that the all these

29:12

awards are. You know there's a

29:14

lot of his politics or they

29:16

might have by by a involved

29:18

in them but it's also extremely

29:20

subjective first. So for some of

29:22

the jump up on sale like.

29:24

No. You're wrong site and then.

29:27

You're. Just. Being. A spectacle, you

29:29

know? It was is

29:32

so stupid Cel tate hey was

29:34

and excited about that. Anymore

29:36

after that? So see also

29:38

claims that and Twenty Six

29:40

seen Scooter Braun influence Kim

29:42

Kardashians, who was then married

29:44

to Tiny Less to orchestrate

29:46

a caught illegally recorded snippet

29:48

of Swift's phone call with

29:50

Tonya West. And had

29:52

to have Scooter Bronze clients

29:54

collude to bully Taylor Swift

29:57

online for some tough times

29:59

to inside. Justin Bieber, Tanya

30:01

Last and Scooter Braun. Posted.

30:04

To Beavers Instagram after card as she

30:06

and release the snippet. So there was

30:08

like a lot of back and forth.

30:10

Honestly it's so much like he said

30:12

she said bullshit laying I I went

30:14

to the timeline and it ran. played

30:16

it was so fucking stupid and I

30:18

know that it was important to the

30:20

people involved. But.

30:23

To me personally. Could. Not

30:25

give see where shit about

30:27

fuck off. And

30:29

also like a seven. Plus.

30:32

Year but I've ever bought a

30:34

snake mode. Geez I am. I

30:36

can be all like. Oh.

30:39

I. Just didn't care. but I the of

30:41

your hobbies that I don't. Have to share

30:44

them with you. Yes. Lot. Of

30:46

for you Doubt this was,

30:48

you know, ten thirteen years

30:50

ago and I just don't

30:52

care. I don't care. I

30:55

don't care. And has

30:57

nothing to be gained by covering all

30:59

of that. so I'm not else snap

31:01

physicists at the know. Okay,

31:03

so asked her big machine

31:06

was sold to Scooter Bronze

31:08

Company. Swift alleged that a

31:10

big machine. Under

31:13

the. Guidance as Scooter

31:15

Braun continued to be an asshole,

31:17

releasing a two thousand and eight

31:20

live show in Twenty Twenty without

31:22

her permission and also blocking her

31:24

from performing her own songs at

31:27

the Twenty nineteen American Music Awards.

31:30

In October, Twenty Twenty Bronze

31:32

sold the Old Masters to

31:34

the Disney Families investment firm

31:37

which is called Shamrock Holdings

31:39

for four hundred and five

31:41

million dollars. For his.

31:43

This. says. Cindy

31:46

size. Million dollars more than

31:48

what he bought. Big.

31:51

Machine for. I.

31:53

So he says consider like that.

31:55

Set off of Taylor Swift's an

31:57

Old masters but big time. What

32:00

the shit? makes. Me: Fucking hate

32:02

money. So much money is no

32:05

fucking stupid. Here's some

32:07

serious. No. One should have

32:09

that much money. Nothing should be

32:11

valued that highly now. But here's

32:13

the first by Robbed Serb. So

32:15

he sold it for four hundred

32:17

and five million dollars under the

32:19

condition that he scooter Braun continues

32:22

to profit from said masters. So

32:24

he sold it and. That also

32:26

struck a Rothys deal on top

32:28

of the flat rate sale move.

32:30

On Tiber seventy five million. Good

32:33

business, right? Scooter Braun years are

32:35

you? You really earned that those

32:37

billions by really. Earned it the

32:40

I really. Did. These folks really

32:42

pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Sell

32:45

actually great sides. I assisted later

32:47

describe her earlier music her doesn't

32:50

those older masseurs as the in

32:52

quote beholden to men who had

32:54

no part in creating it. Totally

32:58

true. Yeah so. In

33:00

August, Twenty nineteen tell us a

33:02

say to the in. In an

33:04

interview with Cbs is Tracey Smith

33:06

said she was going to read

33:08

record everything in the catalogue that

33:11

Scooter Braun owned Whalers version. Six.

33:13

Entire albums including Fearless, Read, Speak Now,

33:16

and Nineteen Eighty Nine, and the recordings

33:18

of which were just noted as like

33:20

Taylor's Diverse and We All Know Them.

33:24

By doing so it's less would be able

33:26

to present Scooter Braun and other is from

33:28

profiting from the masters that she believes she

33:30

says of own. All along out,

33:33

right? Yeah, This. Tactic Tactical

33:35

Move was said to be inspired

33:37

by Kelly Clarkson not so tweeted

33:39

and twenty nineteen quote at Taylor

33:41

Swift. Thirteen Just a thought. you

33:43

should go in and recoil the

33:45

songs that you don't own the

33:47

masters on exactly how you did

33:49

them. But put, this is a

33:51

tweet and there's like so many.

33:53

Letter. Use that are old enough to

33:55

stress that and so this makes it hard

33:58

for you to resist. It does your. such

34:00

a boomer, you need full words. Uh,

34:02

exactly how you did them. We cannot abreve.

34:05

Abrez. But put

34:07

brand new art and some kind of

34:09

incentive so that fans will no longer

34:11

buy the old versions. I'd buy

34:13

all of the new versions just to prove a

34:16

point. This is what Prince did in the 1990s

34:18

with a big, famously huge dispute

34:21

with Warner Brothers. Yup. Mm-hmm.

34:24

In an interview with E! News

34:26

in 2023, Kelly Clarkson revealed that

34:28

Taylor Swift sends her gifts whenever

34:30

she releases one of her re-recorded

34:33

albums, like as a thank you.

34:35

Yeah. So this entire

34:37

thing prompted a discourse on

34:40

artists' rights, intellectual property, private

34:42

equity, and ethics within the

34:44

music industry. Mm-hmm. And

34:46

I would argue, because Prince did

34:48

this previously, it's sort of like

34:50

a new discourse in like the

34:52

social media age and specifically the

34:54

music streaming age. Yeah, and generationally,

34:56

I mean, not that

34:59

– Prince's music absolutely is

35:01

multi-generational and withstands the test of time. But

35:03

I think – I don't think

35:05

that we would be aggrieved to say that if

35:07

you stop like a Gen Z or a millennial

35:09

on the street and ask both of them, like,

35:11

do you know who Taylor Swift is and do

35:14

you know who Prince is, that there might be

35:16

some of those Gen Z-ers who simply don't know

35:18

who Prince is. Well, yeah,

35:20

and I think that the

35:22

whole concept of music streaming,

35:25

because it's so

35:27

easily accessible to everyone around the

35:29

world, and streaming is its own

35:31

brand new form. Oh, yeah, I mean,

35:33

it changed like the record company game forever.

35:37

Yeah. Because you have

35:39

to buy the CDs that had

35:41

to be distributed by specific companies.

35:45

The tactic is the same, but the

35:47

playing field is completely different. So different,

35:49

for sure. But I do just want to point out

35:52

that Prince did it first. And

35:55

maybe someone else did it before Prince, but Taylor

35:57

Swift was not the first one to do this. So,

36:01

publications described her response as

36:03

influential, encouraging new artists to

36:05

negotiate for greater ownership of

36:08

their music. For

36:10

example, iHeartRadio, the largest radio network

36:12

in the US, proclaimed that it

36:14

will replace the older versions in

36:16

its airplay with these

36:18

Taylor's version re-recorded

36:21

tracks. So... I mean, that's big

36:23

support from a big corporation. Huge.

36:26

That's gonna make waves.

36:29

When Swift moved to Republic Records in

36:31

2018, she ensured that they did not

36:33

pull the same move as Big Machine

36:37

by negotiating to own

36:39

the master rights to all of the music

36:41

she created moving forward. So she like, I

36:43

will never be in this situation ever again.

36:45

Ever again, yeah. So, when

36:48

she re-recorded all of her old

36:50

songbooks with Republic Records, she maintained

36:52

ownership of that copyright to all

36:54

of the Taylor's version recordings. This

36:58

also allowed licensers to work with

37:00

her and her team directly. So

37:02

just by that alone, she's like

37:04

an empire-building quay. Yeah,

37:07

that's pretty badass. It's way badass.

37:09

Since then, Taylor Swift has taken

37:11

the music industry by storm. In

37:14

the past year, Swift has released

37:17

Midnight's Till Dawn edition. Again,

37:19

I don't know anything about Taylor Swift. I

37:21

don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah,

37:24

and it confuses me as

37:26

a boomer that when

37:28

a new Taylor Swift album is forced

37:30

down by throat by Apple Music that

37:32

I get like 50 different albums of

37:34

different versions. But I don't know what

37:36

song just like... Play

37:39

the Karma song and then I'm done. The album's

37:41

over for me. Just for additions, I know. That

37:44

song has a line about a cat in it.

37:46

So that's the one I like. Karma is a frog

37:48

sitting on a log. Something

37:51

like that. Also, the

37:53

Speak Now, Taylor's version. 1989's

37:56

Taylor's version. The Frog Box

37:58

version. This

38:02

1989 Taylor's version debuted

38:04

at number one on Billboard

38:06

nine years after its first

38:09

release and actually outperformed the

38:11

streaming figures of the original release in

38:13

the same time period by more than

38:15

1300%. Damn.

38:19

So it's not even just, I mean, a lot

38:21

of this is like this whole swifty movement behind

38:24

her. Like everybody knew

38:26

what was going on. We're gonna download

38:28

Taylor's version and not like

38:30

the original version. If that's even available

38:33

to you. Yeah, but they were also fucking buck.

38:36

Yeah. They're like online crusading sometimes

38:39

in a terrifying way, but like

38:41

we'll get to it. Yeah. It

38:44

doesn't surprise me that not just any huge

38:46

fan base of a pop star, but

38:48

like specific hers is like uniquely

38:51

terrifying. We'll get to it.

38:53

Hence the psych. Yeah. I

38:58

love the ASMR of

39:01

the ice and that

39:03

fucking cup. It's

39:07

just melt in your savvy be. I

39:09

mean, it's not a horrible. No, it's like a

39:11

hot day. Yeah.

39:15

And I needed more hydration. Fair. We've

39:18

all seen my family. I'm good. I

39:21

might rate it. So another album, the

39:24

Tortured Poets Department, which is set to be

39:26

released on April 19th, which

39:28

I think is probably close to when

39:30

this episode comes out. Her

39:33

heiress tour became the highest grossing concert

39:35

tour of all time and

39:37

the first to gross at least

39:40

one billion dollars. Dethroning

39:42

Elton John's years long farewell yellow brick

39:45

road tour for the top spot. That's

39:48

wild. Imagine dethroning Elton John. I

39:51

can't. I can't

39:53

either. That upsets me, actually.

39:57

I'd be watching my back if I

39:59

ever. dethroned Elphin John. I'd

40:01

be scared to leave my

40:04

house at night. Some ain't

40:06

right. Some ain't right.

40:08

Someone would get me. According

40:10

to Rolling Stone, the ticket price for the heiress who

40:12

are averaged about $238 average, while the typical show grossed

40:14

over $17 million as she played

40:22

for roughly a little over

40:24

72,000 people each show. That is? That's

40:30

so much. That's an unfathomable

40:32

number of people. The first thing

40:34

that comes to mind is that like, that

40:36

like AIDS show in like South

40:39

Africa in the 80s, like Freddie Mercury's last

40:41

show in the 90s. You know what

40:44

I'm talking about. Yeah. World AIDS

40:46

or whatever it was called. It was something like that.

40:50

I don't think that's what it was called. Why

40:52

is this reminding you of that? Because of the

40:54

number of attendees. Attendees, the ticket price, just like

40:56

the the the the pomp and

40:58

the hugeness of each fucking

41:01

show. Got it. And every

41:03

every city that the show came to

41:05

is just like the world came to

41:07

a sandstone. Right. That the whole city

41:09

shut down. Yeah. Released on October 13th,

41:11

2023, her era's tour film became

41:15

one of the top grossing concert movies

41:17

ever. And I feel

41:19

like that's fair because I can't actually

41:21

think of another concert movie off the

41:23

top of my hands. They has one.

41:26

Oh, yeah. I thought it was straight

41:28

to DVD. I know. I think it wasn't

41:30

theaters. I remember seeing previews

41:32

for it. Oh, I love

41:34

that. That was straight to streaming. But

41:37

that's different. Or Renaissance.

41:39

Yeah, there are other she's done other like

41:42

documentary more documentary style pieces.

41:44

But this is pretty sure

41:46

concert. Yeah, I'm pretty sure

41:48

she's had just a straight up concert

41:50

from Oh, I think the lemonade theaters

41:52

lemonade was one mm hmm.

41:55

Well, regardless, it feels like a new

41:58

phenomenon. So I'm not really that surprised.

42:00

is that it like the highest grossing

42:02

One Friday? according to Billboard. The film's

42:05

domestic gross was a hundred and seventy

42:07

nine point two million dollars. She was

42:09

also spot a size most most streamed

42:11

artist sept twenty twenty three with over

42:14

twenty six point one bubble billion global.

42:16

Streams. Them. Okay,

42:19

so I'm. At the psychology

42:21

part of this. Okay so this

42:23

is from our pal psychology today.

42:26

Swiss These. Fans

42:28

of herself connecting to Tailor

42:30

through her music and lyrics

42:32

because of the human survival

42:34

based need to feel understood,

42:36

invalidated and to have a

42:38

quote scribe of like minded

42:40

people. I We have issues

42:42

with the phrase tribe but

42:44

lazy. Psychologically speaking, it's here.

42:46

Is your group? It's your embryo community.

42:49

Yeah. According to

42:51

a daily diary said he

42:53

when participants feel more under

42:55

said by others, they experience

42:57

significantly fewer physical symptoms and

42:59

greater life satisfaction. So it's

43:01

like. All sorts of

43:03

endorphins all the did south. This is

43:06

what we feel we need to feel

43:08

like. cuddly cozy. Comparable feeling of belonging

43:10

is necessary. It's a human big. This

43:12

is. A. Functional Magnetic

43:15

Resonance Imaging or Fmr. I

43:17

said He showed that the

43:19

experience of feeling validated activates

43:21

the reward and social connection

43:23

areas of the brain. Another

43:26

study showed that the feeling of

43:28

validation created feelings of social connection.

43:31

Said this is the same way swift

43:33

to use connect. Being part of a

43:36

community feels good. And. Also like

43:38

we have this in our own coven

43:40

we'd like has share common experiences. You.

43:43

Know similar traumas dead and

43:45

over should true crime community

43:47

is says see if feels

43:49

good to be part of

43:51

the in crowd. The Oh

43:53

so during the era sewer

43:56

fans would exchange friendship bracelets

43:58

inspired by Swift song. You're

44:00

on your own kid. Never

44:03

heard this song. have definitely seen

44:05

the friendship bracelets reminded me of

44:07

ira. Beaded lizard. Yup, this

44:09

isn't the debated lizard thing. this is

44:11

what the cool roles are doing now.

44:14

Total. Instead of a lizard isn't.

44:16

So. That way or degree Murder in this is an

44:18

Id super. Go. Off with

44:21

these. These like Beat His Letter

44:23

a colorful beaten bracelets generally. Well as

44:25

said of all where's though. Everyone

44:27

wears and we saw that we have

44:29

them. I know that them. We.

44:32

Had them for their sold out now. So

44:35

these bracelets generally reference list in

44:37

the form of saw name's album

44:39

names and inside jokes between cysts

44:41

swiss these of which there are

44:43

lots because they have like their

44:45

whole. Online community Tix

44:47

up Finity like they just they're

44:50

they're They're in with each other

44:52

in everything. I haven't seen it

44:54

personally, but then again, this is

44:56

that my algorithm. But if is

44:58

your algorithm, you're probably swamped. With

45:00

that said, and again because I

45:03

am not at all familiar with

45:05

Telesis songs. Here's a little break

45:07

down from like a pdf about

45:09

the song you're On Your Own

45:11

Kid which is sort of about

45:14

reminiscing about growing up and how

45:16

different chapters. And your life begin

45:18

and end. Have you

45:20

heard the song? Of. I'd

45:23

never heard this. I saw that the some I should have listened

45:25

to it but I didn't. Said the

45:27

second verse sees her moving on

45:29

from the ball way and chasing

45:31

her career aspirations just to realize

45:34

quotes my dreams are rare. When

45:37

she returns far homecoming. Returns.

45:39

To her high school, her hometown. Whatever.

45:41

Her friends ignore her and they have

45:43

moved on with their lives. Towards.

45:46

The end the songs includes with

45:48

a hopeful message of self reflection

45:50

so the narrator looks around and

45:52

I quote blood Soaked Gown Alla

45:54

Terry. And reckon

45:56

set every misstep was a lesson

45:59

learned. So. Well, so make the

46:01

friendship bracelets. Takes a moment and

46:03

tastes it. You've got no reason

46:05

to be afraid. That.

46:09

I. Mean, I think her lyrics are. The.

46:12

Five Five Zero it's they'll say

46:14

resonate with Flags Young Marriott They're

46:16

very access. They're very a sizable.

46:18

I've talked about this on passages.

46:20

Before worth like. This. Is why

46:23

twilight with Us or hit like this is why

46:25

Taylor Swift to such a hit. Is that like.

46:27

She's. Decent enough. In

46:30

terms of talent, And. What?

46:32

She produces. Is

46:35

very accessible. It's very

46:37

much like the western

46:39

corner. Gold Standard says

46:41

very wrong as. Long.

46:43

As I'm wrong Allen. Said, I mean

46:45

there's nothing. Wrong with it because like

46:48

those standards are pretty rude or white

46:50

supremacy. but. Loud like yeah curse.

46:52

I don't have a problem with her

46:54

success. I understand their from a psychological

46:56

standpoint. Or lyrics are accessible

46:59

to people have. A was he

47:01

said cross. Generational it was. people have

47:03

experienced. Ceiling. Like an outsider.

47:05

Heartbreak like. you know things.

47:07

That so many people create. Art.

47:10

Around because they're. Com. And humid

47:12

experiences whom she is a pseudo says

47:14

take. A whole lot of risks as an artist. And.

47:17

That's. How I feel about it. But. Like

47:19

that. fine make your career. That

47:21

wage is clearly worked out really fucking well

47:24

for years the like my of and you

47:26

my opinion does not matter of my know

47:28

it will not affect her life. I don't

47:30

have a problem with with these. Like

47:33

the older you, I'm just not thirsty.

47:35

For it, I'm like not, I'm not

47:37

overwhelmed. er, og like. A plus. Size.

47:40

It's that everyone's cup of tea and I

47:42

feel like I personally like tennis lesson the

47:44

way that leg heal. Her aunt is proud

47:46

of her. Oh yeah, I'm not going to

47:49

turn allotted com if it comes on. Shuffle.

47:53

You. Know and it's quite catchy. right?

47:55

It's roots exactly. I mean that the

47:57

fuckin' that the machine at work baby.

48:00

The bargain. Yeah. The

48:02

magic potion. Answer. I

48:04

say that the number as you know alone

48:06

are impressive and of course we can. we

48:08

can dig into like that. Social.

48:11

Implications of like putting this.

48:14

Young, straight. Ahead

48:16

White woman on a pedestal and you know

48:19

all of that. But it's a yes And.

48:21

It's. A yes and the up bits. Multiple

48:24

things existing at once. With.

48:26

A Life in a Nutshell. Yep, so

48:28

a space as fate would have

48:30

it beats Friendship bracelets did not

48:32

just connect swiss to ease. Of

48:35

oh Travis Kelsey tailored Olivia current

48:37

boyfriend as we record the as

48:39

god only knows what's gonna happen

48:42

tomorrow. What does he play Meatball

48:44

Football made me fall of the

48:46

that one of those red yellow

48:48

teams. I have a perfect civil

48:51

meet ballplayer. Yeah, one of those

48:53

fuckin' problematic red and yellow teams.

48:55

Can. Achieve Move.

48:59

So he is. Travis calcium made

49:01

her as friendship bracelet with his

49:03

phone number. As like the beaded.

49:05

The. Beads on it as I how

49:08

he like asked her out when

49:10

he went to her concert at

49:12

Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Missouri

49:14

Arrowhead Stadium. so great and when

49:16

he could not give it to

49:18

her and person probably because her

49:20

team was laid. Who the mother

49:22

fucker you know you kissed me.

49:24

Taylor Swift right now made a

49:26

bottle but I have a football

49:29

player. Has a

49:31

meatball. I'm a sportsman. Have

49:33

in the Msl Amazon. Oh

49:35

say. No added for Nasa of I don't

49:37

know I. Am as L

49:40

Meatball sub me pass me Fall

49:42

League. System:

49:44

Maple Football. The

49:47

Msf. Oh. Wow

49:51

if he didn't know where you were before

49:53

are now it's it's. I'm

49:56

Travis, Kelsey some the Msl.

50:00

I can't. I can't. This wine

50:02

is good. Anyway,

50:09

so when he couldn't give it to her

50:12

in person, MFL. I

50:15

put it fastly and off my eyes. The

50:18

news eventually got back to her that

50:20

Travis Kelsey was trying to give her a bracelet.

50:22

A meatball. And

50:26

she was hungry, so she accepted. Hey, Taylor. Hey,

50:28

Taylor. Travel?

50:31

Travel. Okay. Okay.

50:34

Okay. Hey,

50:36

Taylor. I promise this will be worth it.

50:40

Travis Kelsey wants

50:42

to roll a meatball at you across the table

50:44

with his nose. Are

50:46

you willing to talk to

50:48

his agent and sit down with his team? Will you accept

50:50

this, meatball? Will you accept this,

50:53

meatball? And she was like, who? And

50:55

then they were like, no, trust us. This

50:57

will be like when the

50:59

most popular boy and most popular girl

51:02

in high school got together.

51:05

He's cheer captain. She's cheer captain. I'm

51:07

on the bleachers, but it's like you're

51:10

reclaiming it. She is cheer captain. She's

51:12

not on the bleachers. Well, she is on the bleachers

51:14

watching it. And

51:17

then she was like, sure, I'll let Travis Kelsey

51:19

roll a meatball across the table at me with his

51:21

nose, just like Lady and the Tramp. And now they're

51:23

like getting married or whatever. They're not. Everybody fucking calm

51:25

down. I don't think they're engaged. Honestly, he

51:27

was a boy and she was a girl.

51:29

And can I make it any more obvious?

51:33

This is the career that I want to be talking

51:35

about. Taylor fucking

51:37

who? Avril walks so Taylor could run.

51:39

I mean, you're not wrong. Give

51:42

fucking Avril her. Avril

51:45

disappeared out of the public eye

51:47

so that Taylor could run. People

51:50

thought she'd been replaced with a

51:52

clone. Those conspiracy theories were

51:54

buff. Insane.

52:00

So back to the fans, and this

52:02

is going to be the most embarrassing

52:05

part of my section for me. There

52:09

are many, many chants and rituals

52:11

that have apparently collectively developed over

52:13

the years and here are some

52:16

of the most famous ones. Well,

52:18

I will just be

52:20

dryly reciting these lyrics because

52:23

I'm not familiar with any of

52:25

them. Oh no, okay, I'll try to help.

52:28

In the intro to her song,

52:30

Delicate, Swift sings,

52:32

quote, we can't make

52:34

any promises now, can we babe?

52:36

But you can make me a

52:38

drink. We can't make

52:41

any promises now, can we babe?

52:44

But you could make me a drink. Are you

52:46

making this up? No, I know this

52:48

song. I am on

52:50

the spectrum. If

52:53

I hear a song twice, once,

52:56

bitch. I really

52:58

love it. But like at least twice, you're going

53:00

to think I've been singing it since I was

53:02

in the crib. Sing it, sing

53:04

it, sing this part. I'm

53:06

embarrassed. Do it. I

53:10

just did. I just didn't sing it. I

53:12

just, I spoke a word of it. Should I sing

53:15

what I think, how I think it goes? What

53:17

is it? The iambic pentameter?

53:20

I'll sing how I think it goes. We

53:23

can't make any more promises now,

53:25

can we babe? But you

53:28

can make me a drink. And

53:30

the audience will yell back, one, two,

53:32

three, let's go, bitch. They

53:36

will? Yeah. That's

53:39

not in the song. No.

53:42

Why that? So according to

53:44

Refinery29, the chant originated in

53:47

May 2018 when fan Emily

53:49

Valencia shouted this and posted

53:51

the video on Twitter. Oh,

53:53

and then it went viral. Okay.

53:56

This is going to be the answer to all of my

53:58

questions. It

54:00

it's different the logic is different for

54:02

each one. So I'm just gonna do

54:05

my own interpretation of how these songs

54:07

go During the

54:09

bad blood bridge Okay,

54:11

say that ten times fast bad

54:14

blubber That was just once

54:16

Taylor Swift sings quote if

54:18

you live like that you live with ghosts

54:20

and the crowd replies You forgive

54:22

you forget but you never let go I

54:25

think the forgive you forget never let

54:27

go part is actually in that song Yeah,

54:30

well this refers to Kendrick

54:32

Lamar's lyrics in the songs remix

54:36

Remix and when

54:38

Swift sings antihero specifically quote

54:40

did you hear my covert

54:43

narcissism? I disguise as ultra

54:45

wisdom like some kind of

54:48

congressman the crowd replies

54:50

Taylor You'll be fine as

54:53

a nod to the bleachers remix

54:55

of antihero. I'm telling you I'm

54:57

so confused You

54:59

you know that song though. No, I

55:03

don't think I hear my covert narcissism My

55:06

disguise as altruism like some

55:09

kind of congressman. Hey, it's

55:11

not ringing a bell Wow,

55:14

I wish I were as autistic as you

55:16

cuz this would make so much more

55:18

sense. You can never You

55:22

can never never record the market in

55:24

this friendship I'm

55:31

jealous of your beautiful brain. There's

55:34

no room For

55:36

any more autism in

55:39

our friend group. What about we have

55:41

truism or narcissism There's also

55:43

there's always room for altruism No

55:46

room for narcissism. No, you've got that Okay

55:54

Okay, I lost my isms their mind She's

55:58

got the tisms babe You're

56:01

the tism girl. Just thank you.

56:04

Okay, so here are some fun facts about Taylor. During

56:07

her Fearless Era tour, Fearless

56:09

Era, I don't know, Swift

56:11

would draw a blue 13

56:13

on her guitar for good luck during

56:16

her concerts, and now fans pay homage

56:18

to that era by writing a 13

56:20

on their hands. Okay. Okay,

56:22

whatever. Taylor

56:25

Swift is also a former Abercrombie

56:27

model. Abercrombie model? Abercrombie

56:29

model. Abercrombie model. She modeled for them

56:31

in 2003, so she was like four

56:33

years old. Just

56:37

kidding. She was born in 1989, so she was 14. Wow.

56:44

Ooh. Okay. I wonder

56:46

if we ever had a bag with her on it. Probably. I

56:51

bet that would be worth so much fucking money now. If

56:53

only we had been like the cool girls, the popular

56:56

girls who would cut their favorite bags out and put

56:58

them on their walls like posters. Um. Did

57:01

you do that? No,

57:03

because I never – I think

57:05

I shopped at Abercrombie maybe

57:08

twice in my life. Oh, same. We

57:10

could not afford it. No. And

57:12

I couldn't fit in anything in that apartment. That was

57:14

a clearance rack. Yeah. I

57:16

think – Clearance rack purchase. We could

57:18

barely afford like, what was it, American

57:21

Eagle, which was already the poor

57:23

man's Abercrombie. Totally. And you

57:25

only get the paper

57:27

bags with the models on them if you

57:30

get the big bag, so you have to

57:32

buy a lot. So the only things

57:34

that I ever bought were like maybe one Lacy

57:36

tank top off the clearance rack, and that was

57:38

just a tiny little dark blue bag. A Lacy

57:40

Cammie. Yes. Yeah. You're

57:43

right. I don't think I ever got a bag. You didn't

57:45

have to Abercrombie Lacy Cammies. Well, two.

57:47

I had exactly two. Yeah, and you

57:49

layered them quite well. Yeah. You

57:52

had a white one and a green one,

57:54

right? Babe, I love you for knowing that,

57:57

because it was exactly one white one with

57:59

like – kind of beads on the

58:01

lace and one just like camo

58:04

green. Yeah. Yeah.

58:15

You're lacing cammies forever. Probably you got a

58:17

wide, wide agreed one. What? This

58:21

is a buster. They

58:23

were bought on two different trips. So I

58:25

never got the big bag with the model's

58:28

faces on them. Believe

58:31

you me, I would have cut them out

58:33

and put them on my closet door. We're

58:36

going to fucking Abercrombie and we're going

58:38

to buy all of their, all of

58:41

their stock of like the

58:43

biggest lacey cammy they got. We're

58:46

going to fill that fucking big bag for

58:48

the first time in your life. I

58:51

feel like a hole would be filled in my, in

58:53

my soul. I

58:56

can smell it. I can smell

58:59

it. Next time you're here, we're going to

59:01

Ridgedale Tuesday. Meet

59:04

you there. I guess that's where

59:06

we're having lunch or dinner or both. Let's

59:09

go to the MOA and go

59:11

to rainforest cafe cafe. Go

59:14

to Abercrombie. Say no

59:16

more. This is like a perfect day.

59:18

Yeah. It's a perfect

59:21

day. Anyway,

59:27

if that date says we are not

59:29

Swifties, we are whoever the fuck that

59:31

was. So

59:33

we talked about how Taylor Swift's favorite

59:36

drink is soviet

59:38

with ice. But

59:41

another source said that she likes to

59:43

drink vodka and diet coke, which is

59:45

the most repulsive thing I've ever heard

59:47

of. What?

59:52

That is real bad.

59:54

So fucking gross. At

59:56

least make it captain. Get yourself a

59:59

spicy coke. Yeah. It's a lot

1:00:01

the calories a diet She

1:00:04

surpassed Michael Jackson's record and is the

1:00:07

most awarded artist at the American Music

1:00:09

Awards. She currently has 40-set

1:00:12

awards she originally wanted to

1:00:15

be a stockbroker just like her dad. No,

1:00:17

she fucking didn't shot

1:00:20

off Taylor Swift Thank you ancestry.com

1:00:24

recently divulged that quote Taylor

1:00:26

Swift and Emily Dickinson both

1:00:28

descended from a 17th

1:00:31

century English immigrant They're related.

1:00:33

I Can't

1:00:35

so Swift's ninth great grandfather

1:00:37

and Dickinson's sixth great grandfather

1:00:39

who was an early settler

1:00:41

of Windsor, Connecticut Were

1:00:44

the same person Swift's ancestors

1:00:46

apparently remained in Connecticut for six

1:00:49

generations until her part of the

1:00:51

family eventually settled in Northwestern, Pennsylvania

1:00:54

Where they married into the Swift family line So

1:00:57

this makes Emily Dickinson and

1:00:59

Taylor Swift six cousins three

1:01:01

times removed. No Genealogists

1:01:04

blow my mind. How can I

1:01:06

know can figure this shit out?

1:01:08

It's unreal and terrifying

1:01:10

Okay, my last and favorite fact about Taylor

1:01:12

Swift is that her cat

1:01:14

has a higher net worth than her

1:01:17

boyfriend Travis Shut

1:01:21

the fuck up her cat named Olivia

1:01:24

Benson has a net worth of 97

1:01:26

million dollars This

1:01:30

makes the feline one of the richest cats

1:01:32

in the world. You gotta start pulling your

1:01:34

weight I just love

1:01:37

that her cat has a higher net worth

1:01:39

than her boyfriend What's

1:01:41

your net worth beans? Oh, they're

1:01:43

all little penis. Oh, oh I'd

1:01:49

give her 20 bucks She's

1:01:52

worth at least 20. I

1:01:54

think there's a difference between

1:01:56

someone's net worth and I'll

1:01:58

give her 20 bucks But thank you.

1:02:02

Name it. Name em. Name

1:02:04

em. Name em. Anyway,

1:02:08

okay, there's the background and

1:02:10

definitely psych for Taylor Swift.

1:02:13

I'm so glad that you got to

1:02:15

make the people laugh with your segment,

1:02:17

because now it's time for my segment

1:02:20

and we will not be making the

1:02:22

people laugh for the next, I

1:02:24

don't know, what, 40 minutes? Oh

1:02:26

god, okay. Well, it won't be 40

1:02:29

minutes. I'll do my best. But my god.

1:02:31

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So let's set a scene:

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Exterior a drug store parking

1:05:31

lot near Trim on Illinois.

1:05:36

That's the only time you'll laugh threats of this

1:05:38

hoping that get. Here let me have it up. I.

1:05:42

Imagine this is. You.

1:05:45

And I Taylor Swift has been.

1:05:48

Following. You. For weeks. Class.

1:05:50

Ago, you know? Classic. Say.

1:05:54

That. That that's what. That's what this

1:05:56

person's mind set is always a step

1:05:58

ahead of. I'm stalking him. The. Sneaking

1:06:01

into his dreams and going so

1:06:03

far as the heck is phone.

1:06:05

She's always watching. Tell.

1:06:08

Him in what Do You Do? She's one of

1:06:10

the most popular. A wealthy, beloved people

1:06:12

on the planet. And he's just one

1:06:14

man with. A history of

1:06:17

very serious. Mental. Health

1:06:19

issues? Yeah. So. Like who's

1:06:21

gonna believe you know? any. In

1:06:24

his reality, she's watching him from

1:06:26

behind a dumpster in this parking

1:06:28

lot and she's been trailing him

1:06:31

for days and he's barely flaps.

1:06:33

And this is like. The

1:06:35

delusion. Of a

1:06:38

man named Travis ranking and he

1:06:40

was having. This.

1:06:43

Episode in a parking lot of Illinois

1:06:45

in may have twenty. Sixteen that he

1:06:47

thought she was following him? yup and

1:06:50

that he has had enough. He's like.

1:06:52

Lose it, He's freaking out.

1:06:54

She's. The following me for months. I.

1:06:57

Can't get rid of her. She stalking me. He

1:06:59

believed that even his family had

1:07:01

been compromised. The Taylor had the

1:07:04

police. Wrapped around her

1:07:06

lily white thinker. Add

1:07:08

he did tell the cops about. A

1:07:11

time where he claimed he had run

1:07:13

into her at the Dairy Queen and

1:07:15

Morton Illinois. but when he tried to

1:07:17

confront her, she ran and he chased

1:07:19

her, but lost her. Trail I

1:07:21

think that wasn't Taylor Swift.

1:07:23

Who and ah, if any

1:07:26

altercation like that happened at

1:07:28

all. You chase the stranger.

1:07:31

Out of a Dairy Queen. Yeah.

1:07:33

But you know that he could have been. Taylor Swift

1:07:35

see is a slippery one.

1:07:38

So. She's. Probably bantam.

1:07:41

Orton Illinois. Maybe.

1:07:44

He. All the while is being made to

1:07:46

feel like he's crazy. Even his parents are reading

1:07:48

at him out telling. The cops about how he

1:07:50

had. Threatened to harm himself

1:07:52

and how he had access to firearms

1:07:54

was like is good that his parents

1:07:57

did tell them that but Travis is.

1:08:00

so convinced that this is real that

1:08:02

he's like, how could I

1:08:04

not take steps to protect myself when Taylor

1:08:06

Swift and all the power that comes with

1:08:08

being Taylor Swift is after me? When you

1:08:11

actually think about it, it's like kind of

1:08:13

a horrifying delusion. Yeah, well, someone

1:08:16

with all that like, power, social

1:08:18

power, I mean, power, money, protection, if

1:08:20

somebody like that was after you, or

1:08:22

you thought somebody was like that, somebody

1:08:24

like that was after you, I'd be freaking out

1:08:26

to. After

1:08:29

resisting arrest in the

1:08:31

parking lot, he was

1:08:33

apprehended under protest and taken

1:08:35

away from the drugstore for

1:08:37

a psychological evaluation. And according

1:08:39

to Travis, this is all as

1:08:42

Taylor had planned that she had

1:08:44

orchestrated this takedown. And

1:08:46

even though he is either

1:08:49

diagnosed at this point, or it's

1:08:51

possible he had been diagnosed previously,

1:08:53

I couldn't narrow

1:08:56

that down. But he's being

1:08:58

told like, you

1:09:00

have schizophrenia, you're in an

1:09:02

active episode, and like, this

1:09:05

is the next course of action

1:09:07

to bring you, you

1:09:09

know, back to reality. But he

1:09:12

doesn't think that the schizophrenia like accounts

1:09:14

for everything that he's experiencing, you know,

1:09:17

it's very hard for someone to

1:09:19

be convinced that they

1:09:21

have schizophrenia. Yeah, and be convinced when they're

1:09:23

in a state like this. Absolutely.

1:09:26

I don't know how it'd be possible. How

1:09:28

would be not possible really. So

1:09:30

it isn't really shocking that he

1:09:34

was not managing his

1:09:36

condition and did not have

1:09:38

like a long term care team that was

1:09:40

helping him manage his condition. And

1:09:42

this is the deep reality that Travis

1:09:44

was living in. This was like a

1:09:47

vice grip of delusion, he could not

1:09:49

escape from it. And it manifested in

1:09:51

one of the most tragic ways it

1:09:53

possibly could have. Oh, god, reports

1:09:55

would be gathered later on showing that

1:09:58

he did have a pretty serious delusional

1:10:00

fixation on Taylor Swift

1:10:02

as a result of schizophrenia. So

1:10:05

like, he, he

1:10:07

couldn't stop ruminating

1:10:10

on these thoughts,

1:10:14

feelings, fears, ideas about her

1:10:16

specifically. I don't know why

1:10:18

she stuck in his brain.

1:10:20

But once that was the object

1:10:22

of his fixation, there was like, no, no

1:10:26

stopping it. Well, she's constantly in the news.

1:10:28

Like, I don't even think she's everywhere. I

1:10:30

don't think you have to be a fan

1:10:32

of Taylor Swift or her music to be

1:10:35

overexposed to her overexposed. I

1:10:37

wouldn't say like bombarded, but

1:10:39

like, right. You hear

1:10:42

about her every, yeah, all

1:10:44

the fucking time. Yeah, we do. So

1:10:47

he had told a coworker that

1:10:49

he had purchased her and a $14,000 engagement

1:10:53

ring. This may not even, this

1:10:55

is probably not true. And that he

1:10:57

was going to marry her. He told another coworker,

1:10:59

however, however, that he was gay and that Taylor

1:11:02

Swift had hacked his bank account, that

1:11:05

he was still going to marry her and

1:11:07

that like, he, he definitely struggled a little

1:11:09

bit with his sexuality. He came out to

1:11:11

his parents as bisexual later in his, in

1:11:14

his like young adult life. I

1:11:17

don't really know how they responded to that, but

1:11:19

there were some like letters or something

1:11:22

that he had written basically saying that

1:11:24

like Taylor had in

1:11:26

a dream, like forced him to

1:11:28

prove that he was bisexual and that like in

1:11:30

order to be with her, he would have to

1:11:32

like have sex with a man. Like he was

1:11:35

having all of these obviously like

1:11:37

very confusing thoughts about his own identity

1:11:39

that was also being tied up in

1:11:42

the symptoms of his

1:11:44

untreated mental health diagnosis. And

1:11:46

it's all just coming

1:11:48

together in, like I said last

1:11:50

week, a horror soup. Yes. In

1:11:54

his brain. Okay. And again, not

1:11:56

to absolve what this man does,

1:11:58

but it's important that we look at. the why

1:12:00

and not just the what and the

1:12:02

aftermath. So Travis

1:12:04

had another episode almost exactly a

1:12:06

year later on June 16,

1:12:09

2017, an employee of J&J Cranes.

1:12:11

This is where Travis

1:12:13

worked. He was like a crane

1:12:15

operator. And there's a

1:12:18

guy at J&J Cranes who worked

1:12:20

under Travis's father, Jeremy. Jeremy was

1:12:22

like a higher up at

1:12:24

this company as well. And so

1:12:27

this guy that knew Travis's parents

1:12:29

and knew Travis called the local

1:12:31

sheriff's office, because he had just

1:12:33

seen Travis angrily storm out of

1:12:35

his apartment above the crane rental, wearing

1:12:38

only a pink, like bathrobe

1:12:40

and underwear and carrying a

1:12:43

rifle. Oh, okay.

1:12:46

And the coworker

1:12:49

also said that he heard him yell, Is

1:12:51

this what you fucking want? And

1:12:53

then throw the throw the rifle in

1:12:55

the trunk of his car and drive off and like, he

1:12:58

wasn't like who he was

1:13:00

speaking to is not clear. He

1:13:02

wasn't, as far as eyewitnesses

1:13:05

know, like arguing with another person. He

1:13:07

was just kind of yelling that to

1:13:10

no one in particular. And then he

1:13:12

left. Okay, Travis

1:13:14

then stormed into a nearby public

1:13:16

pool yelling obscenities and quote, exposing

1:13:18

himself to the lifeguards who confronted

1:13:21

him. And when the lifeguards approach,

1:13:23

he leapt into the pool and

1:13:25

started demanding that they quote, get in and

1:13:28

fight him. I don't think he

1:13:30

had his gun, I think his gun was still in the trunk

1:13:32

of his car and it was just him in the pool. Okay,

1:13:34

well, that's good. Yep. So now

1:13:36

Travis was just swimming around in his

1:13:38

underwear as like the pool empties out

1:13:41

because he scared the shit out of

1:13:43

everybody that was swimming there. There's probably a bunch

1:13:45

of kids there. Bunch of kids and the

1:13:47

lifeguards are trying to figure out

1:13:49

what's to do. And these are

1:13:51

like the fucking teenage part time

1:13:54

summer lifeguard lifeguards. They are not

1:13:56

paid enough or like well equipped

1:13:59

to deal with. No,

1:14:01

you're not trained in mental

1:14:03

health crisis intervention. Yeah,

1:14:06

when you're life guarding for your

1:14:08

summer job. No, you're maybe trained

1:14:10

in CPR, if you're lucky. Maybe.

1:14:13

So the police arrived, but no one at

1:14:15

the pool wanted to press charges. He hadn't hurt

1:14:17

anybody. And again, this reaffirms that

1:14:19

they never saw that he had a weapon

1:14:22

in the trunk of his car. So

1:14:24

he wasn't brandishing a gun at

1:14:26

anybody, but they knew that he

1:14:28

clearly needed psychological help. So

1:14:31

they didn't want to just like criminalize him, which

1:14:33

I can, I can respect from

1:14:35

a community standpoint and we

1:14:37

don't have to criminalize him, but like

1:14:40

somebody, a professional should have been

1:14:42

made aware of this situation so

1:14:45

that care could be coordinated for

1:14:47

him because he clearly

1:14:49

needed it. These are red

1:14:51

flags of his behavior escalating and him

1:14:53

falling deeper into his delusion and having

1:14:56

these episodes. But

1:14:58

unfortunately, we as a society in the

1:15:00

United States don't take mental health issues

1:15:02

seriously and often criminalize them. So this

1:15:04

incident, as far as I could tell,

1:15:06

did not result in like another

1:15:08

admission for follow up for his previous

1:15:10

diagnosis after he got taken in after

1:15:12

the parking lot incident. Oh, because there's no

1:15:15

way it'll escalate and get worse. Right.

1:15:18

So I just, I don't think

1:15:21

there at this point was further

1:15:23

like emergency psychological intervention or coordinated

1:15:25

care. And without proper

1:15:28

intervention, his delusion and subsequent

1:15:30

behavior just keeps escalating. So

1:15:32

now he's at the White House, like

1:15:35

the fucking White House from Illinois to the White

1:15:37

House. Yep. He drove to the

1:15:39

White House in July of 2017, he walks

1:15:42

up to the pedestrian entryway

1:15:45

and is pushing

1:15:47

past like roadblock barriers

1:15:49

that they put up. And

1:15:52

he goes right up to a uniformed Secret Service

1:15:54

agent and says to him that

1:15:56

he really needs to talk to

1:15:58

President Trump, which hurts. The

1:16:01

Secret Service officer, and let's just be clear,

1:16:03

like these folks do not fuck around. Like

1:16:06

the Secret Service is not fucking with you.

1:16:09

Tells him that he needs to back away

1:16:11

from the entrance to the fucking White House.

1:16:14

Like right now, yeah. He

1:16:17

is not listening and he

1:16:19

says, quote, I'm

1:16:21

a sovereign citizen. I have the right

1:16:24

to inspect the grounds. And

1:16:27

you know from our sovereign citizen crimes

1:16:29

episode how we feel about this ideology

1:16:31

and certainly how the authorities feel about

1:16:34

it. Yeah. I gotta fuck around

1:16:36

with that. Yeah, suffice it to

1:16:38

say something along the lines of, I'm

1:16:40

my own country. I'm not breaking into

1:16:42

the White House. I'm traveling into the

1:16:44

White House. No. Is

1:16:47

not a good enough argument for the

1:16:49

Secret Service as to why you should

1:16:52

be allowed to inspect the private residence

1:16:54

that is the White House. Oh

1:16:56

my God. So that

1:16:58

didn't work. And so they're telling him

1:17:00

like, we don't care what kind of

1:17:02

citizen you are. Get the fuck away

1:17:04

from here. And he

1:17:06

still won't leave. And then the officer reported

1:17:08

that he took his tie off, balded

1:17:11

into his fist and started approaching the

1:17:13

officer and walked further

1:17:15

past the security barriers saying,

1:17:18

quote, do what you need to do. Arrest me if you

1:17:20

have to. Like he was so strong in his conviction that

1:17:22

he had to talk to the president. Had to go in.

1:17:25

Yet he was willing to get arrested and he

1:17:27

was, he was taken into custody. He

1:17:29

didn't care. He was convinced

1:17:32

he needed to expose Taylor Swift to

1:17:34

President Trump immediately for what she's been

1:17:36

up to. Oh, I'm

1:17:38

shocked he wasn't shot. Yeah, I

1:17:41

am. I am too. But

1:17:44

he is white. Could have something to

1:17:46

do with it. It definitely could. It

1:17:48

often does. Unfortunately. You

1:17:51

know, the Secret Service and the like

1:17:53

police are not the same entity.

1:17:55

They don't have the same training.

1:17:58

Yeah, they often work in. tandem

1:18:00

though. But

1:18:03

maybe he just got the right person

1:18:05

on the right day who actually like

1:18:08

cares about preserve preservation of life and

1:18:10

de-escalation. Who knows? I don't know. Human rights.

1:18:13

Yep. So they're arrested

1:18:15

for unlawful entry. The feds coordinate

1:18:17

with local law enforcement because they have to take

1:18:19

his guns away. He doesn't like go

1:18:21

to jail. It's like this.

1:18:24

I think he he went to jail and then

1:18:26

at trial it was like, okay, we're not going

1:18:28

to make you like serve more time, but you

1:18:31

are not allowed to have firearms and

1:18:33

you need like, you know, a

1:18:36

mental health evaluation. So that's

1:18:38

what they say, but this is America. So

1:18:40

that's just easier said than done. So August

1:18:42

2017, it's two months later, he still has

1:18:44

his guns because it's a bureaucratic process to

1:18:47

take them away from him in the first place. And

1:18:49

so that takes time. Travis walks up to

1:18:52

his squad car and and knocks on the

1:18:54

window and says he'd like to talk to

1:18:56

the officer and he explains that people are

1:18:58

watching him. People are trying

1:19:00

to bait him into breaking the law. And

1:19:02

that all of this began when he started

1:19:04

writing letters to Taylor Swift. He said

1:19:06

that's what put him on her

1:19:09

radar because he wrote her fan mail. After

1:19:12

she got his letters, she and up to 30

1:19:14

other hackers hacked a cell phone, personal

1:19:17

computer and had been barking

1:19:19

like dogs like imitating dogs

1:19:21

outside of his home. So now

1:19:23

he's having auditory hallucinations. And

1:19:25

it's like all of these co occurring. That's

1:19:28

scary elements of his solution.

1:19:30

I'd be afraid. I mean,

1:19:32

that's those are scary delusions.

1:19:34

It's terrifying. After this incident,

1:19:36

Illinois authorities revoked his state

1:19:38

firearms authorization. But when

1:19:40

they arrived to take the registered firearms that

1:19:42

he was no longer allowed to be in

1:19:44

possession of Travis, his

1:19:46

father, Jeffrey ranking was there.

1:19:49

And he had a valid registration in the

1:19:51

state of Illinois. And he asked if he

1:19:53

could just take the guns. I promise I

1:19:55

won't let my son use them all hold

1:19:57

on to them until he can get his

1:20:00

license is registration reinstate it.

1:20:02

Oh my god. And they're like, okay,

1:20:04

I just let him take them. He

1:20:06

I'm pretty sure at this time, Travis

1:20:09

was living in an apartment like

1:20:11

right above his parents. So they're

1:20:14

super safe and secure. Yeah, it's

1:20:16

like they're not even out of the same domicile.

1:20:20

Like what the fuck? Oh my

1:20:23

god. I can't find

1:20:25

less paperwork. I mean, the

1:20:27

cops don't want to fucking do their jobs. They

1:20:30

were offered an easy solution that was like

1:20:33

fine in the eyes of the law, and they could just

1:20:36

leave fuck yeah, of course they're gonna agree

1:20:38

to that shit. And

1:20:40

you know, spoiler alert, fucking Jeffrey did

1:20:42

not keep the guns away from Travis,

1:20:45

because he's, you know, for all the

1:20:47

guns that Travis

1:20:49

bought, purchased, and

1:20:52

his dad to be willing to be like, Yeah, no,

1:20:54

I'll hold on to these. It just

1:20:57

there's there had to have been like a

1:20:59

firearm culture in that family already. Because if

1:21:01

I had seen that I'd be like, holy

1:21:03

shit, no, get these the fuck out of

1:21:05

here. Yeah, I don't want these in my

1:21:08

house. You know, registered gun owner or not.

1:21:10

This is too much. The

1:21:12

whole take my guns thing

1:21:14

government. Yeah, my gun. Yeah. So it's like,

1:21:16

I'm not that surprised that that type

1:21:19

of guy is gonna be like, here you

1:21:21

go, son, you can have your guns back.

1:21:23

He claims later that he, quote reluctantly gave

1:21:25

the guns back to his kid. But like,

1:21:27

if he really gave a shit about Travis's

1:21:29

safety or other people's safety, over

1:21:32

whether or not he should be allowed to

1:21:34

have his guns, then he wouldn't have fucking

1:21:37

given given those guns back. This guy did

1:21:39

not give a fuck too serious of a

1:21:41

guns. It's too serious of a risk. It just

1:21:45

is. And one of them is an AR 15. So

1:21:47

it's like, Oh, good.

1:21:49

Yeah. So Travis's pattern

1:21:51

of erratic behavior continues. He

1:21:53

steals a BMW, which GPS

1:21:55

leads to his apartment complex, like to

1:21:58

the parking lot. But the police don't

1:22:00

have evidence of who exactly took it,

1:22:03

just that it was stolen. So they

1:22:05

can't arrest him specifically for that because they don't

1:22:07

have proof that it was him who took it. Okay.

1:22:10

Around this time, after stealing the BMW

1:22:13

and like once again skirting

1:22:16

consequences for his actions, he

1:22:19

moves from Illinois to Nashville,

1:22:22

Tennessee in an attempt to be

1:22:24

closer to Taylor Swift. Before

1:22:27

he left Illinois, he got the guns

1:22:29

back from his fucking death and brought

1:22:31

them with him to Nashville. After his

1:22:33

failure to punish the world with car

1:22:35

theft, he became frustrated and would write

1:22:37

in letters, which we'll get to at

1:22:39

the end one of the letters, but

1:22:41

that said, quote, this time I will have

1:22:43

to punish them by taking something they can't

1:22:45

take back some of their

1:22:47

own lives. Who's them?

1:22:50

We don't know. And

1:22:53

the unfortunate situation is them could

1:22:55

be like anybody out

1:22:57

in the world that his

1:22:59

mind is telling him is

1:23:02

like a secret Taylor Swift operative and

1:23:04

that could be literally anyone who makes

1:23:06

eye contact on the street accidentally

1:23:08

or smiles or says hello could be

1:23:11

considered like, oh, why are they

1:23:13

following me? Why are they looking at me like enemies?

1:23:16

Yeah, the paranoia just really

1:23:18

can compound. Yeah. And

1:23:21

he was in a very dangerous situation. So he

1:23:23

moves to Nashville, we fast forward a couple months

1:23:26

to April 22, 2018. A man named Chuck Cordero

1:23:28

was outside

1:23:31

of a Nashville waffle house around

1:23:34

3am, which is usually one

1:23:36

of the best times to be at waffle house. I

1:23:38

fucking love waffle houses. So good. I ride

1:23:41

or die for waffle house Denny's who the

1:23:44

closest thing we ever got to a waffle house in

1:23:47

this neck of the woods was Perkins, which was Deese,

1:23:49

but there's something about a waffle house waffle. Yeah,

1:23:52

a waffle house because you get breakfast

1:23:54

in a show. Yeah. It's always a

1:23:56

situation at a waffle house and I

1:23:58

love it. There's always

1:24:01

something or someone

1:24:03

fascinating happening at Waffle House. I

1:24:05

fucking love it. And

1:24:08

yeah, there's something about that

1:24:10

recipe and probably the years of

1:24:12

Greece that have made it so

1:24:15

seasoned and delicious. They're scattered browns.

1:24:18

Oh, God. They're coffee. Okay, anyway,

1:24:20

this is not a Waffle House podcast,

1:24:23

but we might. We did do a Waffle House episode.

1:24:25

You'll have to go back and search for that. So

1:24:28

bad. Okay, so

1:24:31

he Chuck is outside

1:24:33

of the Waffle House. Travis drives up. He says,

1:24:36

quote, When I saw him get out of his pickup truck,

1:24:38

all he had on with his jacket,

1:24:40

no socks, no shoes, no underwear, just

1:24:42

a jacket and an assault rifle. Oh,

1:24:45

Jesus. At about three

1:24:48

twenty a.m., Travis sat outside of the Waffle

1:24:50

House in the parking lot for approximately four

1:24:52

minutes, watching people come and go. He

1:24:55

then got out of his vehicle, walked toward

1:24:57

the front door and started firing. Oh, my

1:24:59

God. Now, I

1:25:02

feel so similarly about Travis as

1:25:04

I did about fucking Joe Burt

1:25:06

from the Huskers episode. I

1:25:09

keep coming back to this because it's so

1:25:11

egregious and it just makes me so angry,

1:25:13

just the lack of intervention because

1:25:17

that harmed fucking everybody. And the

1:25:19

truth is that Travis was unwell in a very,

1:25:21

very serious way and was teetering on the edge

1:25:23

for a long fucking time. And the signs

1:25:25

were there over and over and over

1:25:27

again. And he never got the long term consistent

1:25:29

care that he needed to be safer for himself

1:25:32

and others. Oh, my God. And

1:25:35

at this point, he's gone down to Nashville and he's

1:25:37

been living there a few months and he like still

1:25:39

hasn't gotten to Taylor Swift. He

1:25:42

hasn't been able to like reach

1:25:44

the point of his fixation. So

1:25:46

now he's lashing out of the world around him

1:25:48

at the imagined conspirators and traitors all

1:25:50

around him in a horrifying outburst

1:25:53

of violence that would have been

1:25:55

even worse if not for the

1:25:57

individual heroic efforts that took

1:25:59

place. inside of this waffle

1:26:01

house. This story is fucking

1:26:04

wild what happened here. So when

1:26:06

the firing started at about 3

1:26:08

25 a.m. James Shaw Jr. who

1:26:10

was eating at the Waffle House thought

1:26:13

the sound was because someone in

1:26:15

the kitchen dropped a sack of plates. Like it

1:26:17

was very loud but he wasn't sure what it

1:26:20

was. And then the reality of

1:26:22

the situation dawned on him when he was

1:26:24

grazed on the arm near his elbow by

1:26:26

a bullet and he scrambled into the corner

1:26:29

of the diner and then toward the bathroom

1:26:31

and then like looked back to see who

1:26:33

was shooting at him. He said quote, I

1:26:35

remember I was like dang I'm basically in a

1:26:38

barrel Shaw Jr. said there's no place for me

1:26:40

to go. I looked back and I saw a

1:26:42

person lying on the ground right at the entrance

1:26:44

of the door and then I jumped and

1:26:47

slid behind the push door. It was

1:26:49

like a swivel door shots then. He

1:26:52

Travis shot through the door. I'm pretty sure

1:26:54

he grazed he had grazed my arm. At

1:26:57

that time I made up my mind that he was going

1:26:59

to have to work to kill me when

1:27:01

the gun jammed or whatever happened I hit

1:27:03

him with the swivel door. Oh

1:27:06

he either went to reload or the gun

1:27:08

jammed or what but there was like an

1:27:10

opportunity and he had dove toward the

1:27:13

door out of the

1:27:15

way of gunfire and then pushed as

1:27:17

hard as he could on the

1:27:19

door to like knock Travis over

1:27:21

in into the parking lot.

1:27:24

The strike knocked Travis to the ground where

1:27:26

the two then Shaw jumped on him

1:27:28

and they engaged in a struggle. They

1:27:31

cursed each other they fought they struggled but

1:27:33

Shaw was able to grab the barrel of

1:27:35

the rifle and wrench it away. He had

1:27:37

been firing so recently what like this all

1:27:40

happened so fast that the barrel was still

1:27:42

hot enough to burn Shaw's hand. He burned

1:27:44

the entire inside of his hand grabbing the

1:27:46

barrel and pulling it away

1:27:49

but he tossed the gun. Oh I guess

1:27:52

he didn't knock him into the parking lot they

1:27:54

were still inside. He tossed the gun over the

1:27:56

diner counter. He said quote I grabbed the gun

1:27:58

and I kept it pointed down. He

1:28:00

had one hand on it. I pulled it away and threw it

1:28:02

over the bar. Shaw then

1:28:04

shoved Travis out of the building. Travis,

1:28:06

naked from the waist down, walked away, but

1:28:09

fearing he had another gun, Shaw did not

1:28:11

follow him. Oh my god. And I'm

1:28:13

assuming the restaurant's like, there's other people in

1:28:15

the restaurant. There were several

1:28:17

people in the restaurant. Oh god. So

1:28:20

Travis is returning to his car

1:28:22

to like rearm, because he'd been

1:28:24

disarmed by this guy, with

1:28:26

one of the many weapons that he had brought. So

1:28:29

he did have other guns. Yep. Ugh.

1:28:32

And Shaw looks out the front

1:28:34

windows that are all shot out and sees him getting

1:28:37

another gun out of his truck, and runs

1:28:40

through the door, rushes Travis,

1:28:44

knocks him to the ground, takes his

1:28:46

second gun, and then Travis runs

1:28:48

away on foot. Oh my god.

1:28:52

I am so in

1:28:54

awe of James Shaw Jr. and

1:28:56

cannot help but be continuously

1:28:58

sickened that we sink so much money

1:29:00

into fucking law enforcement, who won't even go

1:29:02

into a school and head to toe protective

1:29:04

gear to stop an active shooter of Aldi.

1:29:07

Oh god. While an unarmed member

1:29:09

of the community with no protective

1:29:11

gear or billions of dollars of

1:29:13

federal quote, support and training can

1:29:15

single-handedly stop a mass shooting. Hmm.

1:29:17

Like, where's his lifelong pension and

1:29:19

liability insurance and healthcare? Yeah, he

1:29:21

wasn't even a good guy with a gun. He was just a

1:29:23

good guy. Just a

1:29:25

fucking brave person. Oh my god. He was

1:29:27

also super humble. He said, quote, I didn't

1:29:29

really fight that man to save everyone else.

1:29:31

That may not be a popular thing, said

1:29:34

Shaw, who was raised in the area and

1:29:36

attended Tennessee State University, and works as a

1:29:38

wireless technician for AT&T. He's

1:29:40

like, just a dude. Dude. Blue

1:29:43

collar dude. Yeah. He said,

1:29:45

I took the gun so I could get myself out.

1:29:47

I think he was reaching in his pocket and he

1:29:49

was about to reload the weapon and the barrel of

1:29:51

the gun was down. So that's when I took my

1:29:53

opportunity. I ran through the door at full speed,

1:29:55

hit him with the door and took the gun and threw

1:29:58

it over the bar. I'm not a hero. I'm

1:30:00

just a regular person. You have. To either

1:30:02

react or you're going to fold and I

1:30:04

chose to react. Wow. He also said that

1:30:06

the only combat training he had was wrestling

1:30:09

his daughter to bed. Oh.

1:30:12

Oh oh oh oh

1:30:14

oh oh. Isn't that

1:30:16

so fucking three? I

1:30:19

can't. Hear Alleys as

1:30:21

a hero. Yeah, I know,

1:30:24

Shock. Court Arrow who had seen Travis in

1:30:26

the parking lot and witnessed the attack. From outside

1:30:29

said quote if he had had a chance

1:30:31

to reload. They. Were plenty more

1:30:33

people in that restaurant. Ah Jesus

1:30:35

Christ Trace, need another survivor Said

1:30:37

quote. He blasted the windows. Our

1:30:40

a shot his way in. Seed.

1:30:42

Said the shooter backed him into a corner. And placed

1:30:44

the gone so. Ah close

1:30:46

to see his head that he could

1:30:48

smell. The barrel of the gun and

1:30:50

that was like right in in the

1:30:53

same moment basically when same saw junior

1:30:55

had come out gotten the gone away

1:30:57

right as he went about the sore

1:30:59

right as of as he was rather

1:31:01

quote shoot me in the head says

1:31:04

like ah. It's so fucking

1:31:06

bonkers. It's horrifying. one.

1:31:09

Minute and twenty seven seconds was. The

1:31:11

total time of the attack

1:31:13

in. One Minute and twenty seven

1:31:15

seconds. For. People were killed.

1:31:18

And countless lives simply.

1:31:21

Destroyed. Forever. Korean.

1:31:25

Sand or limb who. Is twenty nine. Joe.

1:31:27

Perez who is twenty, Akila De

1:31:29

Silva, twenty three, and. The Ebony

1:31:32

Groves twenty one were all killed in the

1:31:34

attack. Just

1:31:36

sitting eating. Their.

1:31:38

Like. Late night food after

1:31:40

either? Like. Doing. Shift work or

1:31:43

maybe going out. They. Were just.

1:31:45

Eating fuck a waffles and drinking coffee and

1:31:47

I'd in her own fucking business. And

1:31:49

a Waffle house. A lawful homer. Yeah.

1:31:53

T. So. due to

1:31:55

a diagnosis of severe schizophrenia travis was

1:31:57

initially found and competent to stand trial

1:32:00

and committed to a mental health

1:32:02

hospital for treatment. But

1:32:04

that decision was later overturned and

1:32:06

Travis did stand trial for four counts

1:32:08

of first degree premeditated murder on January

1:32:10

31, 2022.

1:32:13

At trial, both sides really tried to sell us

1:32:15

what exactly was going on with Travis, I also

1:32:17

mean the jury, but like, you know, they're doing

1:32:19

their job. According to

1:32:21

the prosecution, they said he was lucid that he

1:32:23

wanted to hurt as many people as possible and

1:32:25

that he used the most powerful weapon that he

1:32:28

could. The defense said he was delusional

1:32:30

and thought that the people in the Waffle House

1:32:32

for government agents how to get him. I do

1:32:35

tend to lean toward that explanation that

1:32:38

Travis had been living in his

1:32:40

own unwell version of reality for

1:32:42

so long that he

1:32:44

very well may have believed the people in

1:32:46

the Waffle House were out to get him.

1:32:48

Yeah, but like that wouldn't we believe

1:32:50

that right? I think I think

1:32:52

that that is true and

1:32:55

also does not absolve him of

1:32:58

his crime. Of course not. And it's an

1:33:00

explanation, not an

1:33:02

excuse. Exactly. So yeah,

1:33:06

every system failed him.

1:33:09

And every system failed the people

1:33:11

who were killed and injured in that

1:33:14

fucking Waffle House. That's for goddamn sure.

1:33:16

By not intervening and attempting to treat

1:33:18

Travis's very treatable condition, there are a

1:33:21

lot of people who struggle

1:33:23

with schizophrenia and other very serious

1:33:25

mental health conditions who with the

1:33:28

right balance of therapy and medication

1:33:30

can live very safe, healthy, normal

1:33:33

lives. And if

1:33:35

he had just been taken

1:33:38

seriously and been helped thoroughly and

1:33:40

properly and had that kind of support,

1:33:42

I really don't think that this would have happened. That

1:33:45

I really don't. Yeah. So as

1:33:47

his exact mental state at the time, we

1:33:50

may never really know. He was convicted

1:33:52

on 16 charges total for first

1:33:54

degree murder and then sentenced to life

1:33:56

in prison. His father, Jeffrey Rein King,

1:33:59

who had given Travis his guns

1:34:01

back because of fucking course he did. And

1:34:05

it was like after he got his guns back that

1:34:07

he moved to Nashville to be closer to Taylor Swift.

1:34:10

And so he was charged with unlawful delivery

1:34:12

of a firearm for returning the weapons to

1:34:14

his son. Illinois State law

1:34:16

forbids people from selling or giving guns to

1:34:18

anyone who has been quote, a

1:34:20

patient in a mental institution within the

1:34:23

last five years. And Travis had had

1:34:25

at least one brief extent in a

1:34:27

mental health facility like after the parking

1:34:29

lot incident. So

1:34:32

that had put him in this legal

1:34:34

category. I feel like Travis at no

1:34:37

point gave any indication that he was

1:34:39

like, well, do it

1:34:41

right. No, it was just everyone around

1:34:43

him just didn't take it

1:34:45

seriously at all. The

1:34:48

Bushmaster AR 15 that

1:34:50

Jeffrey returned to his son after

1:34:53

he super promised not to killed

1:34:55

those four people in 42 seconds.

1:34:59

Jeffrey was found guilty in May of 2022 and sentenced

1:35:01

to a measly 18 months in

1:35:05

prison, which feels like a slap on the wrist

1:35:07

for his role in four deaths. What

1:35:09

18 months, a

1:35:11

year and change. And then for

1:35:13

just to be let free after

1:35:16

that. So this is Travis's dad.

1:35:19

Oh, the dad. Okay. Yeah. Well, still

1:35:21

gave him the guns back. Come the

1:35:23

fuck on. Yeah, it's not Travis.

1:35:25

I could tell that like, you were

1:35:27

like too shocked. I know that's why. Yeah,

1:35:30

but it's not

1:35:32

enough. It's a slap on the

1:35:34

wrist. Not I mean, yeah. And I can

1:35:36

like, not that they're listening to

1:35:38

this show, but I can always hear the

1:35:40

like, well, people like this will just find

1:35:42

a way to get guns proud, you know,

1:35:45

and it's like, okay, so should we make

1:35:47

it fucking easy for them to get guns?

1:35:50

Like we

1:35:53

should just not establish consequences for

1:35:55

putting deadly weapons in the hands

1:35:57

of folks who can't legally possess

1:35:59

them. Specifically

1:36:01

because they have

1:36:04

been deemed at the time like

1:36:06

a danger to themselves as well as

1:36:09

others because of their mental health like

1:36:11

untreated mental health. That argument is

1:36:13

so fucking stupid. It's so stupid.

1:36:15

Why do we prohibit anything?

1:36:19

Right it's like fuck off it's so disingenuous. It's

1:36:21

not a good faith at all. Yeah

1:36:23

you can get you any person can

1:36:25

obtain anything if they want to. I'll

1:36:28

just go get a private jet. I'll

1:36:32

just face 15 and go get

1:36:35

some beer. Yeah no and

1:36:37

to me this is the exact kind of

1:36:39

case that should shut down the whole like

1:36:41

it's not the guns it's the mental health

1:36:43

crowd because this shows

1:36:45

how much we need to address

1:36:47

both of those issues and instead

1:36:49

as a society we address all

1:36:51

and as our government we address

1:36:53

neither and the size of that debate just

1:36:56

keep passing the buck back and forth while we

1:36:58

do fuck all about it and then like

1:37:00

kids in schools and folks at Waffle

1:37:02

House get shot and killed

1:37:04

for just for nothing

1:37:06

it's so fucking senseless and like

1:37:09

of course untreated mental health issues can influence

1:37:11

our actions I mean we need to have

1:37:13

access to resources to alleviate that and we

1:37:15

need to make it so that it's

1:37:18

not so easy to access firearms

1:37:21

especially when we're in our lowest places

1:37:23

as human beings and making decisions that

1:37:25

like we can't take back that aren't

1:37:27

rooted in like safety and reality and

1:37:30

reason because clearly none of his prerogatives

1:37:33

were rooted in rational

1:37:36

yeah they and and they

1:37:39

were not rational or reasonable and they were

1:37:41

treatable and so it's just like this is

1:37:43

why it's so frustrating it's yeah

1:37:45

it's just fucked up

1:37:47

and like the cops also could have

1:37:49

kept those guns they did

1:37:51

not have to agree to hand them

1:37:54

over to Travis's dad hmm absolutely the

1:37:56

weight of responsibility for this attack is primarily

1:37:58

on Travis and

1:38:00

is also shared by

1:38:03

a number of people and a number of

1:38:05

systems, like most of the fucking cases that

1:38:07

we talk about on this show. So I'm just like

1:38:10

making that very clear that there's

1:38:13

so much going on here. This

1:38:16

kid didn't just wake up one day and

1:38:18

decide on a whim I'm gonna shoot up

1:38:20

a Waffle House. Like he had been crying

1:38:23

out for help and acting out in ways

1:38:25

that should have gotten him help for

1:38:27

a very fucking long time. And help

1:38:29

just never came. Like we said earlier,

1:38:31

you're not gonna convince someone who's in

1:38:33

the middle of a sociopathic

1:38:36

episode that

1:38:38

they are in said sociopathic episode.

1:38:43

The responsibility should not be on

1:38:45

the person in crisis. The person

1:38:47

at the sufferer of the... Yeah.

1:38:50

We're not saying the responsibility of murdering

1:38:52

people shouldn't be... No, but

1:38:54

in terms of like recognizing it,

1:38:57

helping them get help, you

1:38:59

know, and if... Yeah,

1:39:03

this is how this shit happens. And

1:39:05

like we also say just to reaffirm,

1:39:08

people with mental illness are a lot

1:39:10

more likely to harm themselves than other

1:39:12

people. Exactly. That's the

1:39:14

whole point. Yeah. You know,

1:39:17

and that, oh my gosh, Bean's

1:39:19

just burned off like all of her

1:39:21

whiskers going after my candle. You

1:39:23

dumb, Dom, I love you. Oh, that's funny. Okay.

1:39:27

Now you're in my world. Yeah,

1:39:30

classic orange cat behavior, am I

1:39:32

right? Ray would

1:39:34

always, ghosts would never, pabs would

1:39:36

never. Anyway, you

1:39:39

know what we're saying. Your

1:39:42

mental health is not your fault, but it is

1:39:44

your responsibility. And people

1:39:46

who are in crisis are much more likely to

1:39:49

harm themselves than others. And

1:39:51

we should be preventing that fucking too.

1:39:53

And we should look out for each

1:39:55

other because... Yeah. Yeah. For

1:39:57

all of these reasons and more. It's

1:40:01

just a lot. So it's

1:40:03

incredibly disturbing. It's

1:40:05

sad and it's frustrating, all

1:40:08

of it. And after the shooting,

1:40:10

investigators searched Travis' rankings apartment, and

1:40:12

in a safe at his home,

1:40:14

a sack of letters was discovered.

1:40:17

In one of Travis' letters, who was written to

1:40:19

Oprah of all people, it seemed

1:40:22

like, well, it just

1:40:24

was. He was reaching out to her for help

1:40:26

and to tell her what

1:40:28

was going on in his mind

1:40:31

regarding Taylor Swift. And it's like a

1:40:34

pretty heartbreaking read, but it really does

1:40:36

give us an inside look at the ongoing

1:40:40

states that Travis was in. So

1:40:42

he says, Oprah, I'm writing you because I'm in love with

1:40:44

Taylor Swift and I don't know if I'm delusional or not.

1:40:47

I started writing Taylor on June

1:40:49

2nd, 2015. The letters were about dreams

1:40:51

that I was having. I saw Taylor

1:40:53

for the first time on September 29th, 2015. It

1:40:55

was at a concert and she mouthed the

1:40:57

words hello to me while she was singing

1:41:00

a song. After that, I started

1:41:02

to notice that what I was

1:41:04

saying to her was getting repeated back to me

1:41:06

on the Internet. Also, things that I was doing

1:41:08

on my phone and computer. I

1:41:11

wrote her and gave her permission to do those things

1:41:13

because she was being nice to me and I didn't

1:41:15

want her to feel guilty. Later, I

1:41:17

took back permission for her to do that