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3:05

are listening to Wine and Crime, the

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podcast where two friends chug

3:09

wine, chat true crime, and

3:11

unleash their worst Minnesota accents.

3:14

Oh yeah. I'm

3:16

Amanda. I'm Lucy.

3:20

You are. Do you have your Stanley today,

3:22

Lucy? Oh yeah. Stanley

3:26

versus Yeti. Face

3:28

off. Well, tell the good people

3:30

how many ounces your Yeti is.

3:32

We have confirmed that yours is

3:35

bigger. Hers is like 69 ounces.

3:37

64 ounces. This

3:41

one's 32. That's

3:44

half. Yes, it is. But

3:47

this one has a fancy divot to

3:50

fit in a standard car cup holder. Well,

3:52

I'm waiting on you to buy me that

3:54

adapter. And my father-in-law's

3:57

previous company that he retired from. on

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it. Shout out to Tom. Love

4:03

a corporate branding moment. I

4:06

didn't you're getting this. It was given

4:08

to us when we were over for Mother's

4:11

Day. Happy

4:13

Mother's Day. We always leave their

4:16

house with more than we came from. Oh,

4:18

yeah. They always send us home

4:20

with treats. That's what Tom and

4:22

Sue do. That is what Tab and Sue do.

4:24

God bless them. But we aren't

4:26

here to talk about tumblers. Today,

4:30

we're here to talk about a

4:32

very special fan pick brought

4:35

to us by Ashlyn

4:38

Ash Pereira

4:40

Pereira Pereira Pereira

4:44

who has chosen the

4:47

topic of Newfoundland and

4:49

Labrador crimes. To

4:53

which tell them what you did. I

4:57

had a complete

5:00

moment of panic

5:02

today because I

5:05

was I was so shout out to one

5:08

of our researchers, Kathy. She's fucking badass

5:10

and a lawyer and is so good

5:12

at researching. And she sent me research

5:15

outline for the case

5:17

that I'm covering today, which I'm you'll know what we

5:19

get to it. But then

5:21

I saw I thought that the episode was

5:24

just Newfoundland crime. So I was like, OK,

5:26

it's the region. Cool. Got this. And I've

5:28

got the fan pick like we're Gucci. Then

5:30

I went to open the notes in

5:32

the drive and saw Newfoundland and Labrador

5:34

crimes. And I was like, well, hold up.

5:36

They can't both be regions. This fucking

5:38

shit about dogs. And

5:41

I panicked and texted Lucy. So

5:44

so I didn't realize

5:46

this case was about

5:48

dogs. And no topic. Yeah.

5:51

Or this episode was about dogs. And I

5:54

definitely did not write my case about dogs.

5:56

I thought this was about a region. And

5:58

Lucy goes, it is a region. I

6:00

was like, Labradors a

6:02

region? Oh my god,

6:04

is what I said. Is she just

6:06

right back? Yes! Cry laughing emoji. Hey,

6:11

that is completely fair because

6:13

New Finland and Labrador as

6:16

a set are, it's a

6:18

fairly new thing and we will get to it. Is

6:21

Yorkie Pooh a region? Probably.

6:23

It's a 361-click southwest of Peniston.

6:32

Yeah, fucking probably. Well, whatever. I got

6:34

scared and then she was like, no,

6:36

you're good. Also, you dumbass,

6:38

you had the fan pick. Like the

6:40

fan wouldn't pick the wrong thing for

6:43

their episode top. It was such a-

6:45

It's a very easy Google search to figure

6:47

out that the shot is about to stop.

6:49

It's a deeply unserious moment in my life

6:52

and I'm embarrassed. I feel like it

6:54

kind of erases my

6:57

perennial annual wing. Oh,

7:00

I don't know about that because I think about that

7:02

a lot. Alright, fair. But

7:04

anyway, New Finland crimes. New-

7:07

noof- noof- and Newfoundland. But

7:09

first- Oh, first

7:12

we got a quick butt plug for everyone

7:14

here. Speaking of other places that aren't Minnesota.

7:17

Yeah, speaking of no man's land,

7:19

we have a very important message

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for true crime fans, which I

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suspect you are if you're listening.

7:28

And that is that Amanda and I will be at the 2024

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Denver the weekend of July

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so excited. Hello, more. It's going to be

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amazing. I'm so pumped

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to be reconnecting with

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many other creators that are there that

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we already know, but also like meeting a bunch

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of people, both in the industry

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and not in the industry that we haven't

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met yet. I'm so excited. So we're

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going to be just one of many True

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Crime and Justice focused podcasts. creators

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victims, you can sit in

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on panel discussions, live tapings,

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you're definitely also going to

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walk away with some new favorite creators.

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I know I am I

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want to make like 15 new

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best friends while we're there. I

8:27

wouldn't put it past you. Nope. And

8:30

yeah, there's gonna be like

8:32

the lineup is incredible. And

8:34

yeah, really robust.

8:36

So we've got Sarah tourney

8:38

as the keynote speaker. And just some

8:41

of the other pods that will be

8:43

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Yeah, the trail went cold.

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like, so so many

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more. And it's like, I

8:59

know that we've done some other conventions.

9:02

This one feels more intimate.

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And we're very excited to

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9:25

jazzed to be in Denver in

9:29

the summertime also. Yeah, like

9:31

gorgeous. It's gonna be fun. And I

9:33

can't wait to see all of our friends and make new

9:36

friends. And hopefully we will see you at the 2024 true

9:38

crime podcast festival

9:40

July 12 through 14. So

9:44

check that out. And before

9:47

we get into the the

9:49

meat and potatoes, Amanda, what's our

9:51

wine crime pairing? Well,

9:53

Ash has also made a

9:56

recommendation here that maybe

9:58

go yeah, and then got me really

10:01

excited. So, Ash

10:04

requested the salty

10:06

semen cocktail. Ew. Yeah.

10:08

Isn't all semen

10:11

salty? I mean, it

10:13

really depends on the semen provider's

10:15

diet. Yeah. So.

10:18

I don't want to say that

10:20

anymore. Anyway.

10:22

And this is a cocktail, I

10:24

think fully created by this distillery that

10:26

she wants us to shout out, but

10:28

also this could just be their rendition

10:31

of it. I don't know if this is

10:33

like a classic Newfoundland cocktail.

10:35

I would love it if the

10:38

salty semen is like an

10:40

OG, everyone goes to the dive bar,

10:43

just orders the salty semen and it

10:45

is a normal thing there. But

10:47

if it's not, I'll have the usual.

10:49

Oh, a salty semen. Take that too.

10:51

Anyway. But the

10:54

distillery that I am

10:56

asked to shout out and that I got the

10:58

recipe from is the Newfoundland or Newfoundland,

11:01

Newfoundland, Newfoundland, Newfoundland. I don't know if

11:03

that can be pronounced. Newfoundland, but that's

11:05

how I say the dog, noofy. Yeah.

11:07

Well, we'll get, I mean, we'll kind

11:10

of get to it. Okay. Basically, I

11:12

don't have a solid correction for you.

11:14

Okay, great. Someone I'm sure

11:16

will in our DM. Oh, yeah.

11:19

But let's hear a little bit about

11:21

the Newfoundland distillery before we go over

11:23

their cocktail recipe. So the Newfoundland distillery

11:25

company was founded in 2016 by

11:28

William Carter and Peter Wilkins,

11:31

with the aim to celebrate the

11:33

terroir of Newfoundland and create distinctive

11:35

spirits using local ingredients. It's very

11:37

fucking cool. It is

11:40

the first ever craft distillery

11:42

in Newfoundland and Labrador. Super

11:44

cool. Wow. William Carter, one of the

11:47

founders and owners is a quarter blue

11:49

trained chef. And he cooked for

11:51

a wide range of guests in Ottawa

11:53

for over 20 years, including three former

11:55

US presidents. And

11:58

he specialized in localized Canadian cuisine

12:00

and then began distilling to

12:03

preserve like local botanicals so

12:05

he could use them all year long in

12:07

his recipes. And then was

12:09

like, wait a minute, we could be making booze

12:12

with like all this cool local shit.

12:14

And then Peter Wilkins trout was traveling

12:17

the world and was investigating

12:19

cultural different cultural approaches to

12:22

alcohol and how it's like made and

12:25

consumed for British television

12:27

and he's like an internationally

12:29

exhibited artist. Geez, it's

12:32

a badass. Wow. So it's

12:34

the first craft distillery in Newfoundland and uses

12:36

locally grown barley as the base for many

12:38

of its products. All of their spirits

12:40

celebrate and focus on the purity of

12:42

ingredients from the shores of Newfoundland. Juniper

12:45

and other ingredients are all picked locally

12:47

on land or from the sea. So

12:49

they literally will use seaweed and

12:51

we'll get to it in

12:53

their. Oh, well, there's

12:55

lots of seaweed there. Uh huh.

12:58

Uh huh. So they produce a range

13:00

of gins, rums, aqua, wheat and vodka.

13:04

And they started doing whiskey in

13:06

2020. And you can

13:08

get them across Newfoundland and Labrador,

13:10

as well as in Nova Scotia,

13:12

Ontario, Quebec and Alberta. And they

13:16

do have a specific seaweed gin.

13:18

It's called gunpowder and rose rum

13:21

and then their seaweed gin. Those

13:23

two products are available in the

13:25

UK. We can't get any of

13:27

it, sadly, in the United States,

13:29

but we love Canada and we will be

13:31

back and I would be so pumped

13:33

to try this. In

13:36

the meantime, I've gotten

13:38

quite high for this

13:40

episode. So I'll be

13:42

sipping from my Yeti. Uh,

13:45

but if you do have some

13:48

ice water, right. If you

13:50

do have access to this and frankly,

13:52

if you like like dirty martinis, I

13:54

bet this would flap for you, especially

13:57

a gin martini. It sounds briny and

13:59

citrusy. like I'm here for this

14:01

recipe. It's gonna sound wild, but I'm

14:04

into it. I'm super curious

14:06

if I can recreate this with local stuff.

14:08

So now that I like have access to

14:10

more of this information, I might try and

14:12

find supplements because I want to make the

14:14

salty semen. I want to make this cocktail.

14:17

This is what they say to do. Two

14:19

ounces of seaweed gin, three quarters of an

14:21

ounce of lime juice, one quarter

14:23

of an ounce of lemon juice, a half

14:25

ounce of simple syrup, which is just like

14:27

sugar water, a dash of

14:29

seaweed and nettle bitters, and a

14:32

pinch of salt. Where do you

14:34

even get that? You can make your own bitters,

14:37

but people make all kinds of different bitters

14:41

and tinctures and things like that.

14:43

Seaweed and nettle. Seaweed and nettle

14:45

bitters. That's badass. I know, right?

14:48

Doesn't this sound fucking sick? I

14:50

want to try it so bad.

14:52

Add ice to a shaker and pour

14:54

over the seaweed gin, the salt, the lemon

14:56

juice, the lime juice, and the simple syrup.

14:58

Shake well for no more than 10 seconds

15:00

because you don't want to get it all

15:02

watered down from the ice and strain into

15:05

a chilled glass. Drop in a dash of

15:07

the seaweed and nettle bitters and that's your

15:09

cocktail. You could garnish it with dried seaweed

15:11

if you wanted to, but it's a martini,

15:13

essentially. Wow. Doesn't

15:15

that sound wild? It sounds really good. I

15:19

would definitely have a sip of it because

15:21

I'm not a gin gal, but I feel

15:23

like I can see the

15:25

flavors of this cocktail. I bet

15:28

it's gorgeous. It looks like a

15:30

roiling ocean. Yep. If

15:33

you're anywhere near or capable of

15:35

visiting the area

15:37

of Newfoundland and Labrador, check out

15:40

the Newfoundland Distillery. You can

15:43

also just look them up

15:45

at the newfoundlanddistillery.com. And yeah,

15:47

I want to go over

15:49

there and try their cocktails.

15:52

Well, it's only a nine and a half hour flight if

15:54

you do want to get there. That is

15:57

kind of far, but I can handle that. hour

16:00

drive. Hold on. There's no

16:02

way. It's got to be longer

16:04

than that as a drive because that would

16:07

be like driving to Chicago plus three hours.

16:09

There's no way. Newfoundland. We're on the

16:11

Great Lakes. They're

16:13

all connecting. Yeah, they're

16:16

all connecting. Yep, it's

16:18

far. What we need is our

16:22

listeners, our fans

16:24

and Newfoundland Labrador

16:26

to really show up and

16:28

show us that we could sell out a show

16:30

on Newfoundland Canada show.

16:33

That would

16:35

be fun. And then we'll be there as soon

16:38

as we can. Oh wait, it's 50

16:40

hours if you want to drive there. Yeah. If

16:43

you want to walk there,

16:45

it would take 863 hours.

16:48

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22:00

Okay, Lucy, what

22:02

is our background? And

22:04

I don't

22:06

know if we'll get psyched for

22:09

Newfoundland and Labrador crime. Well, you

22:11

know there's- The region. You know there's

22:13

a sexology, the flag. Oh

22:16

yes, yes. But

22:19

we'll get there. Okay, so according

22:21

to Britannica, Newfoundland and Labrador is

22:23

the easternmost province of Canada that

22:25

is composed of the island of

22:28

Newfoundland and the larger

22:30

mainland sector, Labrador to the northwest.

22:32

I do have a map on

22:34

the drive which will help you.

22:36

And because you and I don't

22:39

know jack shit about Canada, just

22:41

for clarity, a Canadian province is

22:44

different from a Canadian territory.

22:47

So a province exercises constitutional powers

22:49

in its own right, so provinces

22:52

are closer to like a state

22:55

in the US. They have some of their

22:57

own local laws. Yeah,

22:59

they have their own government.

23:01

Local governments. Okay. While

23:04

the territories exercise delegated powers under

23:06

the authority of the parliament of

23:08

Canada. So they've got a little

23:11

bit of British leftovers

23:14

going on. Yeah. They

23:16

have a parliament that- So are the territories

23:19

sort of like so vast

23:23

and spread out that they were like,

23:25

y'all are just gonna be under the

23:27

laws of like a federal

23:29

government. Cause

23:31

you're all out and way out in

23:33

the booties and this is

23:35

not gonna work for me. Like why do they choose

23:37

what's the territory and

23:43

what's a- Province.

23:47

Province. province. Province.

23:50

The thing that's

23:53

not a state. Yeah.

23:57

That. that?

24:01

I mean, I think a lot of it

24:03

comes down to politics and in particular politics

24:05

within the last couple hundred years because a

24:07

lot of those northern territories, which by the

24:09

way would be the Yukon, the Northwest

24:12

Territories and Nanavut,

24:16

which is the one farthest to the east

24:18

and also farthest north,

24:20

like you're getting into like

24:22

Greenland ish Arctic

24:24

Circle for sure. I think

24:27

a lot of the territories have a

24:29

lot of indigenous populations so

24:31

that might make it more prone

24:34

to a different type of governance

24:37

than say the provinces that

24:39

mostly border with the northern border

24:42

at the United States. Yeah, of

24:44

the US. Yeah. Okay.

24:46

I don't know this for sure because this isn't

24:48

really where my research led me. I get

24:51

it. I'm sorry. Everything that we did

24:53

talk about or it

24:56

suggests that. Yep. I also

24:59

didn't know how fucking huge

25:01

Hudson Bay was. Yeah. Oh

25:04

my god. It's a massive

25:06

lotion. Yeah. It's

25:08

scary. So anyway,

25:10

that's I mean, I think

25:13

it comes down to politics, which most

25:15

things do. Yeah. But

25:18

like I said, if I had to guess it, it has significantly

25:21

to do with indigenous population,

25:24

territories, boundaries, etc. Okay,

25:27

so the province of Newfoundland and

25:29

Labrador is the newest of Canada's

25:32

10 provinces and they

25:34

joined well, I can't really say

25:36

they, Newfoundland joined the Confederation in

25:38

1949. So its original

25:42

name was just Newfoundland. And then

25:44

it wasn't until 2001, the Constitution of Canada was amended to change

25:47

the province's

25:50

name to Newfoundland and Labrador.

25:52

Oh, so you can't you can

25:55

hardly be blamed for not knowing that

25:57

they were right who that the names

25:59

went together because it's only 23

26:01

years young. There

26:04

was no way to know. According

26:06

to the government of Canada statistics,

26:09

the statistics from the government of

26:12

Canada, in 2021 the population

26:14

of Newfoundland and Labrador was just

26:16

over 520,000 people, which is

26:22

about 1.3% of the total

26:25

Canadian population. Wow. She's

26:28

sparse, baby. Not a lot of people live

26:30

there. No. Their

26:32

head of the government is the honorable Andrew

26:34

Furey. Furey. Furey.

26:38

I'll kind of come back to the population because it's

26:40

really, I think, kind of wild. The

26:43

name of the island of Newfoundland

26:45

comes from the Latin terra nova,

26:48

which means new land. New

26:50

land. Okay. Yeah,

26:52

pay care. New found land. Well,

26:56

the name originated when King Henry

26:59

VII of England referred to the

27:01

land discovered by John Cabot in

27:03

1497. I'm

27:07

sorry, discovering. In

27:09

quotes. Yeah. This is

27:11

a very Christopher Columbus situation. They have their own.

27:14

They have their own Chris. They

27:16

have their own Chris. 1497 John Cabot. So

27:21

King Henry VII called it new

27:23

found land, L-U-A-N-D-E,

27:25

land. Hot.

27:29

Hot. Hot. Archaeological

27:32

evidence suggests that the Bayatuk,

27:34

it's the name of indigenous

27:36

people and I read it,

27:38

I heard it as both

27:40

Bayasuk and Beyatuk, or

27:43

Bayatuk. So I'm going to go

27:46

with Bayatuk, but there were differing

27:48

pronunciations. So

27:50

the Bayatuk people inhabited Newfoundland long

27:52

before European colonization and may have

27:55

descended from earlier people who occupied

27:57

the island for several thousands of

27:59

years. At

28:01

the time of European contact, the Bay

28:03

of Tuk occupied at least the north

28:05

and southeast coast of the island and

28:08

had a population of somewhere between 500

28:10

to 1,000 people. So

28:13

it was a small community. They

28:17

were also kind of split up into

28:20

different groups and they were fairly

28:23

nomadic like hunter-gatherers. They

28:26

were sometimes referred to as the, quote,

28:28

red Indians because they often painted themselves

28:30

and their tools and weapons with ochre.

28:33

So it made them look like a dark red. And

28:36

because they were on an island and because

28:38

there were such low

28:41

numbers of them, they were

28:43

isolated from other indigenous groups and

28:45

were more susceptible to the effects

28:47

of European contact. So

28:50

sadly, by the 1830s,

28:53

disease, colonization, conflicts and

28:55

competition for resources led

28:57

to their extinction. Oh,

29:00

God. So while there are

29:03

like traces of people with

29:05

Bay of Tuk ancestry

29:08

lines, there's not like a community

29:10

of living people

29:13

in this tribe. So it is an

29:15

extinct, quote, unquote, extinct tribe.

29:18

That's awful. The origins of

29:20

the name Labrador is believed to

29:22

have been first applied to Greenland

29:25

called the land of Labrador by

29:27

early Portuguese navigators and later transferred

29:29

to the northeastern mainland by cartographers.

29:31

So cartographers were like, no, we

29:33

think you were talking about this

29:37

and not actually Greenland. The

29:40

name likely derives from the

29:42

Portuguese explorer João Fernandez, who

29:45

was a Labrador or land holder

29:47

in the

29:49

Azores. That's

29:52

what Labrador means land holder.

29:56

It's Portuguese for land holder. That's

29:59

wild. So

30:01

the Azores or the Azores are some

30:03

islands in Portugal. Political

30:07

control of the peninsula was

30:09

passed back and forth between

30:11

Newfoundland and Quebec, which is

30:13

the province directly to the

30:15

west of Newfoundland and Labrador,

30:17

thus confusing the name's geographic

30:19

significance until the Quebec-Newfoundland border

30:21

was established in 1927. Although

30:26

Newfoundland's claim to the watershed of

30:28

all rivers flowing into the Atlantic

30:30

Ocean is recognized in

30:32

the Constitution Act, many Quebecers

30:35

still consider Labrador a part

30:37

of Nouveau Quebec or New

30:39

Quebec. So there's

30:41

still kind of like some

30:44

historical claim to the Labrador

30:47

area because that

30:49

is where a lot of those... And there's

30:51

disagreements. Yeah, I don't know if it's like

30:53

disagreement because those are the borders that have

30:55

been drawn and established, but it's

30:58

just more of like a heritage sort of a... They're

31:02

claiming it in the soft sense of the

31:04

word. Experts

31:06

have traced human habitation in Newfoundland back

31:09

9,000 years. Wow,

31:12

that's wild. Evidence

31:14

of maritime archaic native occupation,

31:17

so like very

31:20

early like seafarers in

31:22

the Arctic circle. Oh

31:24

my God. So people who just

31:26

like went out and fucking boats and just

31:28

discovered new places. Little boats that they built. In

31:31

the Arctic. In the Arctic. Yeah, I know,

31:33

I know. I wouldn't laugh. Just cotton

31:35

seals. A fucking day. Not a

31:37

day. No, not a day. Not

31:41

a... Not an afternoon. Not a

31:43

day. A warm afternoon in July.

31:45

I couldn't do it. Not

31:47

without my weed vape. I

31:50

have a few demands. You

31:53

guys, where are we and where the fuck

31:55

is my vape? You

31:59

guys. Whose turn is it for Yahtzee and

32:01

where the fuck is my vape? Stop

32:04

everything. Where the fuck is my

32:06

vape? Turn out your pocket. You

32:09

bitches. One of you has it. One

32:12

of you has my fucking vape. Courtney

32:15

was like, I can see it from here. You

32:17

left it by the hot tub. I

32:19

would like to formally apologize. I did

32:21

indeed leave my vape out by the hot

32:23

tub and then really came at you guys super

32:26

hard about wondering where my vape was. So for

32:29

that, I am so very sorry. So

32:31

if anyone's wondering how our trip to Palm Springs

32:33

was last weekend, that pretty much sums it up.

32:37

I just kept trolling everybody all

32:39

weekend. Stop everything. Where the

32:42

fuck is my vape? Fuck is my

32:44

vape, but it just gets more

32:46

manic and hysterical every time.

32:49

I'm so sorry you guys. It's in my purse. I'd like to

32:51

formally apologize. One

32:55

thing that's unique about me is

32:57

where the fuck is my vape? I will

33:00

fucking lose my mind. If

33:02

I can't find my vape. Lost

33:06

vape, lost mind. We

33:10

had a good time in Palm Springs. Anyway,

33:12

what were we talking about? Not dogs? Like

33:16

Vikings and shit. Okay. So

33:18

evidence of bear time archaic

33:20

native occupation dating back at

33:22

least 7,000 years

33:24

has been found at L'Anse-Amour

33:26

burial site on the southern

33:29

coast of

33:31

Newfoundland. Okay. Labrador

33:33

was likely what was called the

33:35

Markland of Viking sagas. So

33:40

when you read about what

33:43

is presumed to be like

33:45

historical ledgers about like the

33:48

Vikings. Okay. Well,

33:50

not me because I only

33:52

read smut, but when the girl

33:54

you read about. That's what

33:56

I always mean. Okay. What

33:59

I'm. talking about literature.

34:01

If Judith Krantz didn't write it,

34:04

I want nothing to do with

34:14

it. If

34:16

there aren't at least two sets of nipples on

34:18

the cover, I don't want anything to do with

34:20

it. Nothing to do with it. Okay,

34:25

so Markland is often referred

34:27

to in these Viking stories,

34:30

so they think that that's Labrador. And so

34:34

Labrador allegedly was visited by

34:36

Nordic explorer Leif Erikson around

34:38

the year 1000. I

34:41

think we literally graduated high

34:43

school with a Leif Erikson. Angela

34:46

Erikson. There were

34:48

a lot of Erikson. There were. But

34:53

I know there was a Leif for a

34:55

leaf. Maybe, I don't know, whatever. That name

34:57

sounds very

35:00

Scandinavian, and I love it. Probably

35:03

one of Blens Blidsoon's siblings. They

35:05

all have very Scandi names. Scandi

35:10

and Viking. Scandi

35:13

Viking. Anyway. So

35:18

if Leif Erikson did visit

35:21

Labrador around 1000 AD,

35:23

he would be

35:26

the first European in North America. Maritime

35:30

archaic culture was displaced about 4000

35:33

years ago by the southward

35:35

expansion of paleo-eskimos from the

35:38

Arctic, who were in turn

35:40

displaced by the ancestors of

35:42

the Montagnace Nascapi and the

35:44

Inuit. Early European

35:46

occupation was entirely focused on

35:48

coastal fishery and

35:51

was fiercely opposed by the Inuit to the north

35:53

and the Nascapi in the south,

35:55

because again, we're talking about, obviously, there's a

35:57

lot of coastline because half of the it

36:00

as an island. But there's

36:02

only so much that pressure that

36:05

these natural resources can bear. Well,

36:08

right. And indigenous folks are literally

36:10

living off of this, not because

36:12

they're manufacturing and selling it, but

36:15

because they are consuming it and

36:17

maintaining that area so they're not

36:19

overfishing it and like honoring the

36:22

the practice, like the proper way to treat

36:24

the land. And European

36:27

colonizers always

36:29

want to exploit those kinds of resources and

36:32

they're gonna fucking lose not only

36:34

their land and the areas that's

36:37

been sustaining their families and their

36:39

community, but then

36:41

it's going to get ruined for everyone

36:43

because it's going to be overfished and fucking

36:45

exploited. And that is exactly

36:47

a primary contributor to why the Bay

36:49

of Tuk people are no

36:52

more because they were just out,

36:55

out, they were driven out essentially

36:57

by the Europeans and any anyone

36:59

who was coming there to commodify

37:02

their resources in their land,

37:06

which is just the you know, classic

37:08

colonizer. Yeah, whatever. I

37:11

mean, it's a story. It's a very old

37:13

story. Unfortunately. Okay,

37:15

so I got to talk a

37:17

little bit about the flag. You

37:20

got to. Got

37:22

a picture of it on the drive. It'll be on the blog. The

37:26

flag was introduced and adopted in 1980.

37:29

So still all of this is very recent. And

37:32

it was designed by Newfoundland artist

37:34

Christopher Pratt. Chris Pratt. No, the

37:37

worst Chris. Not

37:40

to be confused with Joey McIntyre. What's

37:42

his name? What?

37:46

I told her to be a player. So

37:49

the McGuire. Who's the other one?

37:52

What's wrong with me? What

37:54

did I just say? Joey McIntyre.

37:57

That is a completely different person.

38:00

I can't follow this at all! I'm

38:07

usually so good at following

38:09

these kinds of fucking leaps. I

38:16

have no idea where you

38:19

got Joey McIntyre. Toby

38:21

Maguire Joey McIntyre is

38:23

almost the same name.

38:25

Guys, it's identical. We

38:30

got Jake Gyllenhaal who looks just

38:32

like Toby Maguire. So you can see

38:34

those two. Yes

38:37

they do. Then

38:39

Joey McIntyre, Toby Maguire, they

38:42

sound as much as the other two look

38:45

like. And I forgot the other guy's name. Oh

38:48

my god. Pause. Everyone

38:50

fucking stop. You guys, wait.

38:53

Where is my babe? Where

38:55

is my fucking brain? I

39:00

cannot continue until

39:03

we type in Jake

39:05

Gyllenhaal and I show

39:07

you a picture of

39:09

him. Jake Gyllenhaal. He cute.

39:13

Yeah, okay. Yep. Yep. Who's the

39:15

one he looks exactly like, Topher

39:17

Grace? No, Toby Maguire. Still

39:20

wrong. Which one was Cider House? Toby

39:23

Maguire. Yes. That's

39:25

Toby Maguire. That's

39:27

Gwency. I think they look

39:30

exactly the same. Spider-Man. Yeah,

39:33

but in my mind their faces

39:35

just replace each other. Absolutely

39:38

not. Now, Toby Maguire

39:40

and Topher Grace have

39:42

at least like hair

39:45

coloring similarities, but they still... They

39:48

all have brown hair. They

39:50

still look nothing alike. Well,

39:53

first of all, it's very grainy in the screen

39:55

that you're showing me. I

39:57

brushed my case. And

40:01

Joey McIntyre was the new kid, right?

40:04

Yes! I can't. You

40:06

know what? It's

40:08

fine. I

40:10

don't need everyone to understand me. Thank

40:14

God! You don't have me.

40:20

I could not fall. Those

40:22

jumps were too far. I couldn't figure it out.

40:26

Alright. The flag jumps take

40:28

you 846 hours to walk to. You

40:33

were walking, if you were

40:35

walking there. Okay.

40:37

Designed by Chris Pratt. The design was

40:40

chosen due to its broad symbolism. So

40:42

the blue represents the waters of the

40:44

sea, lakes, and rivers. The

40:46

white represents snow and ice. The

40:50

red represents human

40:52

effort. Oh. And

40:55

the yellow, gold, symbolizes the

40:57

confidence the people of Newfoundland

40:59

and Labrador have in themselves

41:01

and their future. The

41:07

red as human effort really grows

41:09

fast. That creeps me out. It

41:12

also has the cross marks

41:14

of the, what is that, the Union Jack? Yes,

41:17

I was just going to say. The

41:19

design has an intentional overall resemblance to

41:21

the Union Jack as a reminder of

41:23

historic connections with the British Isles. But

41:26

also that the design, the

41:28

lines, is that of

41:31

etchings on bayotook and

41:33

Inu decorative pendants that were

41:35

worn hung from a cord

41:37

around the neck. So there

41:39

is some indigenous symbolism

41:41

there. They

41:43

also have a super cute

41:45

flag known as the Tri-Color

41:47

flag or the Pink, White,

41:49

and Green flag. This looks

41:51

like Neapolitan ice cream and I want it.

41:54

I want to eat it so bad. It's

41:57

like a pink version of the

41:59

ice cream. Irish flag. Yeah.

42:02

This is cute. I can fuck with this. She

42:04

cute. This began as

42:07

the unofficial flag of an aid

42:09

and benefit organization, the Newfoundland Fisherman's

42:11

Star of the Sea Association. Cute.

42:15

And it was established in St. John's,

42:17

which is the capital of the province,

42:19

in 1871 by the

42:22

Catholic Church, which I feel like for

42:25

1871, pink and lime

42:27

green, kind of progressive, a progressive

42:29

ballot. Maybe. Or maybe

42:31

those were very in-fashion colors at the time

42:33

and we just don't know. I mean, they

42:35

were. The pink was supposed to represent like

42:38

the rose of Jesus. Yeah. I

42:41

don't know. There you go. Okay.

42:44

Here's some fun facts about Newfoundland and

42:46

Labrador. Okay. You're

42:48

going to love this. I am.

42:52

95% of North American

42:55

Huffins live in

42:57

Newfoundland and Labrador and it is the official

42:59

bird of the province. What?

43:02

Puffins are so cute. Y'all

43:04

got puffs? They got puffs. They got

43:06

almost all the puffs. Oh my God.

43:09

You have a monopoly on the puffs? That's

43:11

so cute. We have to go. We

43:13

have to go. We love weird aquatic

43:16

birds. Yeah. Okay.

43:18

So we touched on

43:21

this before, but almost

43:23

everyone pronounces Newfoundland wrong.

43:25

Oh, great. So there's

43:27

supposed to be a slight guttural stop between

43:29

new found and land

43:31

with the later about

43:34

ones with the latter pronounced as if

43:37

it were like isolated.

43:40

So like land, Newfoundland,

43:43

Newfoundland, Newfoundland,

43:45

Newfoundland. I

43:50

think a guttural stop is just like

43:52

air stops coming out. So Newfoundland, Newfoundland,

43:55

Newfoundland. Okay. Newfoundland,

43:57

Newfoundland. Okay. Okay. Oh,

44:01

okay. Why

44:03

do you say it the weirder it sounds?

44:06

Newfoundland. Newfoundland. Newfoundland.

44:09

While the province encompassed both Newfoundland

44:11

and Labrador, a shocking 94% of

44:13

the population lives in Newfoundland. So

44:17

almost nobody lives in Labrador.

44:20

Oh. So not only does the whole

44:23

province have like one and a half

44:25

percent of the Canadian population, but

44:28

almost all of them live in

44:30

Newfoundland and Newfoundland. And of

44:33

those folks, another 40% live

44:36

in the capital city of St. John's.

44:38

Yeah. So

44:40

almost everyone lives in St. John's. The

44:42

same town. That's wild. I mean,

44:44

it's a city. Oh, right. It's

44:46

the 22nd largest city in Canada. Duh.

44:49

Yeah, but still, that's just wild. Well,

44:52

to make it even weirder, Newfoundland

44:54

has its own time zone, and

44:56

it's one of the rare 30-minute

44:58

time zones. What

45:01

does that mean? So instead of

45:03

being an hour apart, it's only 30 minutes

45:05

apart from whatever else. So if

45:08

you visit, you'll be living 30 minutes

45:11

ahead of Atlantic time

45:13

and 90 minutes

45:15

ahead of Eastern time. Literally

45:17

why? I don't

45:19

know, but can you imagine trying to

45:21

like schedule a fucking Zoom call with

45:24

a 30-minute like deficit? No. No. I

45:26

refuse. You're

45:30

90 minutes ahead of Eastern time

45:32

because it's just so far out into

45:34

the Atlantic. So much farther out than

45:37

like Maine. Y'all are

45:39

freaks. Isn't that

45:41

wild? 30 minutes. That's

45:44

nuts. That's bizarro. Almost.

45:46

What's the point? Right?

45:49

I think about this a lot. There are

45:51

places much closer to the equator, like Hawaii,

45:53

for example, where really

45:56

no matter the time of year, the

45:58

sun rises. is at about 6am

46:00

and sets at about 6pm. You get the 12 hours of

46:02

light, 12 hours of dark, and

46:06

it doesn't fluctuate.

46:09

I get the

46:11

concept of daylight savings to provide more

46:13

day or more

46:16

darkness, whatever. Yeah, but I don't even

46:18

think Canada has daylight savings, so that's

46:20

not even a daylight saving thing. No,

46:23

I just think that time zones are weird

46:25

and arbitrary. I don't know what I'm trying

46:28

to say. I'm high. It's just really fucking

46:30

confusing. I'm thinking of how a day is

46:32

structured and

46:37

that's why we have time zones because the

46:39

sun is going to rise and set at

46:41

different quote

46:44

unquote times of day on a global scale.

46:47

But it's like unless your days

46:49

are fucking opposite, it's like we're all in

46:52

the north. I don't get why a 30

46:54

minute difference is going to be that

46:57

big of a... At that point, what's

46:59

the point? For me, I feel like

47:01

even East Coast and Central Time are

47:03

kind of silly and that the only

47:05

one that really makes the most sense to me is all the way

47:09

out west. But

47:12

this is fucking weird.

47:15

I just don't like it. I really don't like

47:17

it. It's

47:19

bothering me. It adds to the magic

47:21

of Newfoundland and Labrador. I'm

47:25

going to be either really early or really

47:27

late to everything. I'm going to be 90 minutes

47:30

early or 30 minutes late. At

47:35

least 30 minutes late. I can't

47:37

do this. I can't do this.

47:40

Too much pressure. Okay, so

47:42

I told you that the first

47:44

known European presence happened

47:46

in like a thousand A.D. in

47:50

North America. So that

47:52

was in Newfoundland. It's at

47:55

the northern tip of the island and this was

47:57

the location of a Viking colony that was discovered

47:59

in 1960. Wow. The settlement is believed

48:01

to have been founded around a thousand

48:03

years ago. And

48:10

this spot is so important that it was

48:12

named a Canadian UNESCO World Heritage Site in

48:14

1978. Cool. Okay, so

48:18

we've discussed their accents a little bit. They're

48:21

fucking wild. And I do have

48:23

well, I guess the pronunciation of

48:25

new new fun land. So

48:28

the accents between Newfoundland and Labrador

48:30

are just

48:32

they're distinctly different. So

48:34

their accents are flavored by Irish and English

48:36

settlers and were strengthened by isolation and the

48:38

fact that the province only became a part

48:40

of Canada in 1949. So before that, the

48:43

people who lived there

48:46

were sort of like mom, we're

48:48

part of we're part of Britain.

48:51

Okay, okay, they were just a colony,

48:53

essentially. Yeah, like they're all they were

48:55

under British rule until 1949. That

48:57

was gonna be my question is like, did they have

48:59

their own basically, little

49:02

country, but no, they were a call a

49:04

British colony, they didn't have their own little

49:06

country, but their accents did develop in a little

49:09

bit of a bubble. And that's why they're so

49:11

fucking weird. So the range,

49:13

the area has endless varieties of English

49:15

and the way that people speak can

49:18

say a lot about them where they

49:20

live, like specifically where they live. Okay,

49:23

so if a person uses

49:25

ye or ye to refer to a

49:27

group of people like where ye go in

49:30

after work, they might

49:32

they might be from conch conch

49:34

conch, which is on the

49:37

Great Northern Peninsula of Newfoundland. Okay,

49:39

or if someone emphasizes the

49:42

I in words, as

49:44

used in Irish English, such as

49:46

saying milk versus milk,

49:49

then they are likely

49:51

from the Avalon Peninsula.

49:54

Interesting. According to the 2016

49:56

census, 97% of residents were reported

50:00

English as their native

50:02

language, making Newfoundland and

50:04

Labrador, Canada's most linguistically

50:07

homogenous province, which

50:09

is weird considering their accent.

50:13

And having said that, much of the

50:16

population is descended from Irish settlers

50:18

giving Newfoundland its reputation as, quote,

50:20

the most Irish place outside of

50:22

Ireland. So

50:25

I have a couple samples

50:27

for you. Yeah. So

50:29

here's a sample of a 53 year

50:31

old woman from Calvert, Newfoundland.

50:35

Okay. Listen to how like Irish this

50:37

sounds. When she got there, there was

50:39

a woman with a goose waiting for her.

50:42

The woman gave Sarah an official letter

50:44

from the vet. The letter implied that

50:46

the animal could be suffering from a

50:49

rare form of foot and mouth disease.

50:52

She's talking about a sick goose, by

50:54

the way. Yeah. Okay. Okay. It's

50:56

surprising because normally you would only expect

50:58

to see it in a dog or

51:00

a goat. Sarah was

51:03

sentimental, but this means her

51:05

feel sorry for the beautiful bird.

51:07

Before land, that itchy

51:09

goose began to strut around the

51:11

office by balloonity, which made an

51:13

unsanitary mess. Okay.

51:17

But the long

51:20

O's sound pretty

51:22

Minnesotan too. Before Lang.

51:24

Before Lang. But

51:27

then there's such a very clear

51:29

Irish affect in there too. Oh

51:31

yeah. It's so cool. And sometimes

51:34

she just sounds like fully Irish and

51:36

then other times she sounds Midwestern.

51:40

Mm hmm. It's weird. Okay.

51:42

It's, it's very

51:45

odd. I'm going to. Okay.

51:47

Here's another one. This is

51:49

a 26 year old white man from

51:52

a Placentia,

51:54

Newfoundland. Oh, Placenta.

51:58

Placentia. people

52:01

look but no one finds this when a

52:03

man looks for something beyond his reach His

52:06

friends say he's looking at the pot of

52:08

gold at the end of the rainbow huh,

52:10

yep born in Sencha right in Sencha cottage

52:12

hospital and I I've

52:14

lived in Jerry side for living. I live

52:16

in like that area all my life and Then

52:19

I went to town town is town is there's

52:22

only one town new for him. That's st. John's

52:25

So even though with all the rest of them are still to

52:27

town I don't know why but

52:29

live there like went school for like seven or eight

52:31

years But

52:34

no People

52:36

from the Cape Shore like but kind of

52:38

drunk Because the Jesus like that right?

52:40

That's the way they talk and they're the people

52:42

you're going after if you want to get the

52:44

Irish dialect because there's some But there

52:46

I haven't got a clue what they are saying right

52:49

so from Newfound other than the fact

52:51

that we drink a lot more Than most people.

52:53

Okay, so he's a little bit younger than

52:55

the first lady. Uh-huh I'll

52:57

go to an older man Yeah,

53:00

I feel like that guy didn't have much of

53:02

an accent. I sounded I would have just assumed

53:04

he was like an American college, bro Hmm.

53:06

She had a ball of heart each

53:09

checked herself in the mirror and watch

53:11

the face in a hurry Then

53:14

she put on a clean yellow

53:16

dress and a priest game When

53:22

she got there there was a woman with

53:24

a goose Keep

53:28

talking about the geese the goddamn geese. This is

53:30

like a thing But did

53:32

you hear how much more Irish that guy

53:34

sounded? Yeah, and he was

53:36

he would he's 64 and the

53:38

other guy was 26 So

53:41

like that I wonder that generation.

53:43

Mm-hmm. Anyway, so it's a little

53:45

sample of Newfoundland How

53:47

fun how odd so odd? So

53:51

thank you to the International Dialects

53:53

of English archive for those samples

53:55

Mm-hmm. So now here's the part

53:57

that you have been waiting for Oh

54:01

Amanda you may

54:03

be wondering if this topic

54:05

has anything to do with dog breeds Yes,

54:13

yes, did you

54:15

add this for me I mean I Had

54:20

to I had to set the record straight

54:22

about just what it is We're talking about

54:25

just in case this was supposed to be about

54:27

dog Covered all

54:29

of our bases we covered all

54:32

of our bases according to Britannica

54:34

Newfoundland is a breed of working

54:36

dog developed on Newfoundland Island this

54:38

breed right this breed possibly

54:40

comes from crosses between Native

54:43

dogs and the great Pyrenees dogs

54:45

taken to North America by Basque

54:48

fishermen in the 17th century Okay,

54:52

the typical Newfoundland is solid black

54:54

brown or gray. They're so cute

54:57

Oh my god, I've got pictures on the drug They

55:01

drool so much you guys I

55:04

also love the picture of the woman with

55:06

like six new Finland's around her and they

55:08

were I heart dogs t-shirt. I love dags

55:12

She's living my best fucking life.

55:14

She is hovered in saliva right now

55:17

thousand percent and a lot of hair the

55:20

land seer Newfoundland named for Sir Edwin

55:23

land seer the artist who

55:25

painted the The

55:27

Newfoundland Is

55:29

usually black and white it

55:31

is a huge characteristically gentle

55:34

patient dog Standing 26

55:36

to 28 inches tall and weighing between

55:38

a hundred and a hundred and fifty

55:40

pounds. So they are Gentle

55:42

giant they're they're really looking good,

55:45

but they're like so good with

55:47

kids They're very good

55:49

at for a little they're really good at swimming They

55:51

don't want to go on walks for like

55:54

a super long distance because they get

55:57

tired and hot cuz they're masses They're

56:00

huge and they have a really, really, really

56:02

thick coat. So they're actually like kind of

56:04

good apartment dogs that you just walk like,

56:06

if you haven't been to a place, obviously,

56:08

you walk like one

56:11

to two short walks a day. I

56:13

feel like they'd just be perfect. They'd

56:15

flourish on this island because they're just

56:18

outside in the kind of rainy, snowy

56:20

climate. And they can just rest

56:22

when they want to. And I want to

56:24

clarify, I don't mean you're not letting your dog

56:26

out more than twice a day, but I mean

56:28

like a full blown like walks around the block,

56:30

not just a quick like poop and pee

56:33

session, you know, but they're such cool dogs.

56:35

I've never met one, but I want to. You

56:38

haven't? I don't think so. Girl, I got

56:40

you. Thanks. I'll

56:42

hook your ass up. So the

56:44

Newfoundland has powerful hindquarters, a large

56:47

lung capacity, large webbed

56:49

feet, and a heavy oily coat

56:51

that contributes to its swimming ability

56:54

to both swim and withstand the cold

56:57

waters. Honestly, I share all

56:59

the characteristics with the new fee except

57:01

the webbed feet. You do not

57:03

have a large lung capacity. Have

57:05

you seen how long I can

57:08

sustain, first of all, like a Celine Dion

57:10

riff? How loud I can yell? Yeah, that's

57:12

true. How deeply I can

57:14

inhale a bong. I

57:17

stand corrected. Despite

57:20

everything, you actually have a really

57:22

decent lung capacity. Thank you. Thank

57:24

you. I'm so sorry. It's right

57:26

here. It's right in front of me. Sorry, I left

57:28

it. In addition to

57:31

performing rescue work,

57:34

the Newfoundland has served as a watchdog

57:36

companion and

57:42

a draft animal. They

57:44

are also known as noofs or noofies, and

57:46

they live around nine or 10 years

57:49

old. Yeah. Not a

57:51

long time. No, they're so big. They're so

57:53

big. They get a lot of health problems. was

58:00

brought to England by fishermen around

58:02

1800. So

58:05

there is no difference between a Labrador,

58:07

a Labrador retriever or a lab. They're

58:11

all a Labrador retriever. This is how

58:13

we shorten the name. Labradors

58:16

stand between 21 to 24 1,5 inches tall and

58:21

weigh between 55 and 80 pounds. Its

58:24

distinctive features include its otter-like tail,

58:26

which stick at the base and

58:28

tapered toward the end. Oh,

58:31

yeah. It is otter-like. And they

58:33

really thump your leg when you're standing next

58:35

to them. They really do thump. And

58:38

its short, dense coat of black chocolate or yellow

58:40

fur. The

58:42

dog is characteristically rugged, even

58:44

tempered and gentle. The

58:47

Labrador retriever has been used in military

58:49

and police work as a rescue dog

58:51

and as a guide dog for the

58:55

visually impaired. In

58:58

the 1990s, the lab became the most

59:00

popular dog breed in the United States.

59:02

But I do believe it's the golden

59:04

retriever now. I

59:06

feel like they've been neck and neck and just swapping

59:08

the crown for a long time. I

59:10

mean, the kinds of families that own either

59:13

one are the same kind of family. Bring

59:16

back Chinese crusted all the way to

59:19

the top of the list. Sam,

59:22

the world's ugliest dog, is my

59:24

hero to this fucking day. I

59:27

love that dog. His little tease.

59:30

All crooked. Google Sam,

59:32

the world's ugliest dog. I

59:34

can see him in my mind's eye. I'm

59:37

not saying you. I'm talking to the royal

59:39

you. His visage is burned

59:41

into my memory. We

59:44

were of seared. We

59:46

printed pictures of him on

59:48

my family Windows 95, like

59:51

Gateway 2000 computer. I

59:54

remember that. This dog is like an original

59:56

meme. It's wild. It's kind of

59:58

mean he printed out. Okay,

1:00:00

I have one more little story for us. I

1:00:04

wouldn't even call it a mini case. It's just a little

1:00:06

cherry on top. Okay. So,

1:00:08

on March 31, 1949, the island

1:00:11

of Newfoundland officially became a Canadian

1:00:13

province, as we know. So,

1:00:17

during World War I, Newfoundland

1:00:19

was still ruled by Great Britain.

1:00:23

So, when Britain declared war

1:00:25

on Germany in 1914, Newfoundland

1:00:27

was also automatically at war.

1:00:31

Because Britain just dragged them on into

1:00:33

it. Over 12,000 Newfoundlanders

1:00:35

enlisted in the war. These

1:00:41

Newfoundlanders were known as the Blue Putties

1:00:44

because of the color of the wool

1:00:46

fabric on their uniform. Interesting.

1:00:48

In 1916, the Blue

1:00:50

Putties went to France to fight in

1:00:53

the Battle of Somme. This

1:00:55

battle was to help stop the

1:00:57

Germans from further invading France. The

1:01:00

second battalion of the Newfoundland Regiment

1:01:03

was supposed to attack the Germans

1:01:05

on July 1st near the village

1:01:07

of Beaumont-Hamel. However,

1:01:10

the Germans were somehow informed

1:01:12

about their attack, about

1:01:14

their attack plan, and

1:01:17

prepared to attack the

1:01:19

Newfoundlanders before they could

1:01:21

really start their attack. They

1:01:23

found out about the plan. They planned a

1:01:25

counterattack. A secret

1:01:28

counterattack. So, when the Newfound...

1:01:31

It's so hard to say. Just

1:01:33

say the Newfies. When

1:01:35

the Blue Putties left their

1:01:38

trench, they were like, Alright, time to

1:01:40

go. We're leaving our trench. We're gonna

1:01:42

go surprise the Germans and stop them.

1:01:46

They went over the top of their trench

1:01:48

to advance towards the enemy, and they walked

1:01:50

straight into a hail of machine gun fire.

1:01:52

Oh, God. So,

1:01:56

around 800 Blue Putties

1:01:58

went into the battle that morning. and over

1:02:00

700 of them were either killed, wounded, or missing. Almost

1:02:06

every single one that went

1:02:08

out. Mm-hmm. Oh, wow.

1:02:10

So those who did survive had to

1:02:12

stay in France and continue fighting. And

1:02:16

understandably, they were really depressed after

1:02:18

witnessing almost all of their peers

1:02:20

be killed in action. Half their

1:02:22

fucking town! Yeah,

1:02:25

over half of all of the

1:02:27

Newfoundlanders, Newfool, who went over

1:02:29

to France to fight in the first

1:02:31

place. Yeah. Some Canadian

1:02:33

soldiers noticed this, noticed how they

1:02:36

were pretty

1:02:38

sad. Mm-hmm. And they

1:02:40

offered the Newfoundland regiment a

1:02:42

gift, a very special

1:02:45

canine gift. Mm. They

1:02:48

sent over a large Newfoundland dog

1:02:51

whose name was Sable Chief. Sable.

1:02:53

Sable Chief. Oh. Sable

1:02:57

Chief was around 150 pounds, so he

1:02:59

was definitely on the large end of

1:03:01

the Newfoundland-sized spectrum. Big

1:03:04

boy. And he attracted a lot of attention because

1:03:06

of his large size. He

1:03:09

became the mascot of the second battalion

1:03:11

of the Newfoundland regiment. Sable

1:03:13

Chief marched with the regimental band and

1:03:16

visited wounded troops. He just

1:03:18

brought up the morale. Therapy dang. It's

1:03:21

even reported that he would stand up

1:03:23

at the opening bars of the Newfoundland

1:03:25

Ansem and stay standing until it was

1:03:28

over. That's so freaking cute. And

1:03:31

almost all the pictures I have of Sable Chief

1:03:33

on the drive, he's just standing

1:03:35

up. I love him.

1:03:38

He's so cute. He's so regal. Mm-hmm. Sable

1:03:42

Chief was so beloved and important to

1:03:44

the battalion that his body was taxidermied

1:03:46

and displayed in the Newfoundland Naval and

1:03:49

Military Museum in St. John's, where he

1:03:51

is the center of the World War

1:03:53

I exhibit. And when- That's

1:03:56

really him on the drive? And when

1:03:58

his pelts to tear him up. Disparated

1:04:00

a fund was started to restore sable

1:04:03

chief so he could remain in the

1:04:05

museum. I Thought

1:04:07

this was a recreation. No, that's sable

1:04:10

chief with the big plaque that's a

1:04:12

little chief Yeah, it looks

1:04:14

exactly like Callie does look like Callie

1:04:18

Maybe Callie had some new fee in her

1:04:20

like the pictures of him with his like mouth

1:04:22

open just Smiling that's

1:04:24

cat like that's Callie looks exactly

1:04:26

like her. I think stuff

1:04:29

sable chief looks the most Restored

1:04:36

help sable cheats. Yeah lost

1:04:38

half her coat sable chief is

1:04:40

the closest to Callie But

1:04:43

the derpy face so

1:04:46

sweet so sable chief is

1:04:48

a wartime hero God

1:04:52

he's so cute. I love him.

1:04:54

Oh, I also have a picture on here of

1:04:56

a See the one

1:04:58

labeled mix you can

1:05:00

crossbreed labs and new

1:05:03

new fees and you get this

1:05:05

Adorably derpy looking thing. Oh, what

1:05:08

a cutie and a little smaller. I think

1:05:10

they're a little smaller There's a little bit there a

1:05:12

little little less squished in

1:05:15

the face. Uh-huh cute anyway

1:05:19

So that is the background of

1:05:21

new Newfoundland and Labrador Wow and

1:05:24

I'm pause Well, I hope there's at

1:05:27

least one person listening because y'all have

1:05:29

a very sparse population. I Don't

1:05:33

think I fucked anything up too bad But

1:05:35

you know get out of this if we

1:05:37

did get out of this if we did

1:05:39

because again We know Jack all about Canada

1:05:41

in general and most things

1:05:43

and those things All right. Well, shall we

1:05:46

take a quick break here a word from

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our sponsor? What's that? Okay

1:05:51

Are you ready for my case? You're

1:05:53

not the way you're rubbing your eyes

1:05:56

makes me think I'm not we talked

1:05:58

about the dark cases Did

1:06:00

I say I was going to take a break

1:06:02

from dark cases? Yes. Yes. Those were your words.

1:06:04

Did I though? Not really. I

1:06:07

didn't. First of

1:06:09

all, it's not my fault. Fan picker,

1:06:11

Ash, blame Ash. Okay. But

1:06:13

also when this topic hit

1:06:15

the calendar, there was also a case

1:06:18

request from our fan picker to cover this. And it definitely

1:06:21

is like the most

1:06:24

famous true crime story

1:06:26

to come out of this region. So it makes perfect

1:06:29

sense why this was the pick.

1:06:31

Okay. Also, if you have seen

1:06:33

the documentary Dear

1:06:35

Zachary, No! And

1:06:39

been absolutely gutted by the

1:06:41

end of that documentary, then

1:06:43

you know what's coming. And

1:06:46

that serves as my trigger

1:06:48

warning. Honestly,

1:06:50

I think that was the first true crime

1:06:52

documentary I'd ever seen. It's

1:06:55

an, if you haven't seen it,

1:06:57

I do recommend it. It

1:06:59

is beautiful, tragic,

1:07:02

and powerful documentary filmmaking. It

1:07:04

will thaw you up. But

1:07:07

it will destroy you.

1:07:09

Wow. And we'll circle back

1:07:12

to the documentary at

1:07:14

the end, because there's

1:07:16

a little more that I want to say

1:07:18

around that. But we'll

1:07:21

get to it. So Shirley Jane

1:07:23

Turner was born on January 28,

1:07:26

1961, at Aquarius in St. Anthony, Newfoundland,

1:07:28

Canada. She

1:07:33

was Canadian American because her father was

1:07:35

in the US military, and her mother

1:07:37

was from St. Anthony. So the kids

1:07:41

got like dual citizenship, basically.

1:07:43

She spent early childhood in Wichita,

1:07:45

Kansas, with three siblings before her

1:07:48

mother moved with the kids back

1:07:50

to St. Anthony. After separating

1:07:52

from her husband, they eventually got divorced, but

1:07:54

she like left with the kids before

1:07:57

they even got divorced. Not a whole

1:07:59

lot is recorded about. Shirley's childhood

1:08:01

likely because it was for

1:08:03

the most were pretty normal obviously divorce

1:08:05

is very hard on children but

1:08:08

it seemed that she

1:08:10

was well provided for she didn't grow up in

1:08:13

like an abusive household like some of

1:08:15

the details that you usually get about

1:08:18

people like her don't

1:08:21

have as untarnished

1:08:23

an origin story you know what I mean? There aren't that many

1:08:26

red flags here. So

1:08:29

she was a good student in high

1:08:32

school and after graduating in from

1:08:34

high school in 1980 she enrolled

1:08:36

at Memorial University of Newfoundland and

1:08:39

had goals to pursue a career in

1:08:41

medicine so she was doing like pre-med.

1:08:43

While at university she became pregnant with

1:08:45

her longtime boyfriend and they married in

1:08:48

1981. Her husband stayed at home with their

1:08:50

son so that she could finish school. By

1:08:53

1983 she had taken a job on the

1:08:55

side as a science teacher I think like

1:08:57

a substitute science teacher and

1:09:00

they had a second child together in 1985.

1:09:02

Around this

1:09:05

time that the second child was born there

1:09:08

are rumblings that she was having

1:09:10

an affair with a

1:09:12

former fling and this is likely why

1:09:14

her first marriage ended in divorce in

1:09:17

1997 and she married

1:09:19

her affair partner in January

1:09:21

of 1988. So like

1:09:24

two young kids one

1:09:27

year out of the relationship

1:09:29

but not even like a year divorce

1:09:31

she's marrying... They divorced in 1987? Sorry yes 1987. And married

1:09:33

the new guy the

1:09:39

next year and she had two kids from a

1:09:41

previous? Mm-hmm yep.

1:09:44

Then they the new husband and Shirley

1:09:46

had a daughter together in 1990 and

1:09:50

a year later she and

1:09:52

the second husband separated

1:09:55

agreeing to joint custody while Shirley

1:09:57

finished her schooling because now she's

1:09:59

got you know, she had full custody of

1:10:01

her daughter with this

1:10:03

guy, and she had at least 50%,

1:10:06

if not more custody

1:10:08

of her two children from her previous marriage

1:10:10

who were both young. And

1:10:12

she tried to finish med school. So like,

1:10:15

a lot going on and

1:10:17

her former husbands, because

1:10:20

they love their children were like

1:10:22

willing and wanting to assist

1:10:25

because they wanted more time with their kids. So

1:10:28

she's not able to afford to live on her own

1:10:30

with her kids. So she gets a roommate

1:10:32

in 1993, a dude who lives in

1:10:34

the area. This roommate became so

1:10:37

alarmed at Shirley's behavior toward

1:10:39

her children that he moved out

1:10:42

and reported her to a therapist at the

1:10:44

university that she was attending for med

1:10:47

school. Oh shit. He said that

1:10:49

he had witnessed Turner, Shirley

1:10:51

Turner physically and emotionally abusing the

1:10:53

two older children from her first

1:10:55

marriage, including hitting them with a belt. Oh

1:10:58

my God. The psychologists properly because

1:11:01

they're a mandated reporter filed a

1:11:03

report with social services who closed

1:11:05

the case on January 11, 1994.

1:11:09

So like less

1:11:11

than a year after this report came in, and

1:11:14

they never even interviewed Shirley before they

1:11:16

closed the report. So they did interview

1:11:18

the children, the older children, who

1:11:20

confirmed that their mother was, quote,

1:11:22

the disciplinarian, and that she spanked them

1:11:24

and hit them with a belt. Their father

1:11:27

claimed that he'd only

1:11:29

seen her threaten them with a belt. She only

1:11:31

threatens them with the belt. She doesn't hit them with the

1:11:33

belt. So the standards for

1:11:35

closing a report are pretty low

1:11:38

if you're not even interviewing the

1:11:40

purported abuser. Correct. And

1:11:43

then I guess they could just never get

1:11:46

Shirley to nail down a time that worked

1:11:48

with her busy schedule to do an interview.

1:11:50

So they eventually just dropped the case, closed

1:11:52

it. Oh my God, that's a, that seems

1:11:55

so Canadian. I mean, it also seems

1:11:57

very American and very white

1:12:01

people being accused of abuse

1:12:03

and us not

1:12:05

using those resources to look into

1:12:07

it because we're too busy using

1:12:10

them to punish and arm

1:12:13

marginalized people and people of color.

1:12:16

But, you know, it's

1:12:18

not just doesn't just happen in the US.

1:12:20

It also happens in Canada and all over

1:12:22

the world. So yeah, we all have that

1:12:24

in common. It seems excessively polite. That's like,

1:12:26

oh, we don't want to. Or we couldn't

1:12:28

get you scheduled. All right, we'll just let

1:12:30

it go. Yeah. Y'all have a

1:12:32

good weekend. No, but more Irish.

1:12:35

Yeah, but like inexplicably Irish.

1:12:37

Well, explain. Anyway,

1:12:40

so I dropped the case. Three

1:12:43

years after this, Shirley

1:12:45

and her second husband get divorced.

1:12:48

They finalize their divorce. She's

1:12:50

granted custody of their daughter, but

1:12:53

apparently returned her to her

1:12:56

ex, her daughter's father within like

1:12:59

two days of the ruling and

1:13:01

sent her older two children to

1:13:03

live with their father. So

1:13:06

she's just over all of her kids

1:13:08

over it effectively out of their children's

1:13:10

lives entirely, which like fucking

1:13:12

thank God. Good bye, bitch. Get

1:13:15

out of here. In March of

1:13:17

1996, holy abandonment. Yeah,

1:13:19

it's fucked up. And

1:13:22

I'm also glad that those kids. Well,

1:13:25

in retrospect, we can be classed as this

1:13:27

happened. Yeah, but they were for the most

1:13:29

part protected from her. But you know, it's tragic

1:13:32

all around. In March of 1996, Shirley

1:13:35

Turner began a relationship while working as

1:13:37

a resident. She wasn't

1:13:39

like a full doctor yet. I think she was still doing

1:13:41

a bunch of her training hours when she

1:13:43

first started here in 1996. But

1:13:46

she struck up a relationship with this guy

1:13:48

named Miles Doucette. And he

1:13:50

was also a resident at St. John's

1:13:52

Hospital. A few months later, his

1:13:56

employment, like where his residency was going

1:13:58

to go next. caused him

1:14:00

to relocate out of St. John's.

1:14:03

So he broke up with Shirley

1:14:06

because he didn't wanna do a long distance relationship.

1:14:08

They were like driving distance apart, but he's like,

1:14:10

I'm a fucking studying, like I'm a doctor. Like

1:14:12

neither of us has time for this. Yeah, I'm

1:14:14

a resident, we're not gonna do that. Makes perfect

1:14:16

sense. In response, she

1:14:19

began inundating him with phone calls

1:14:21

and later noted that when he

1:14:23

answered the phone, she would

1:14:25

like creepily threaten

1:14:27

him and talk to him with

1:14:30

quote, intensity and velocity. Velocity? Yeah,

1:14:32

that's crazy. It was weird. The

1:14:34

calls continued for over a year.

1:14:37

And even when he moved again for

1:14:39

work in November of 1997, again,

1:14:43

they're still within driving distance of each other. And

1:14:46

like, I guess she would visit on occasion.

1:14:48

And now I'm not

1:14:50

commenting on him still interacting with her.

1:14:53

We all know that all genders could be victims

1:14:55

of abuse and how hard these cycles can be

1:14:57

to get out of. So like, we're not gonna

1:14:59

be judging him. No, and especially

1:15:02

like stalking. Yeah, they

1:15:04

were still in contact. Her behavior

1:15:06

was escalating, but I believe that

1:15:09

there were some consensual

1:15:11

at least visits. I

1:15:13

don't know if they were sexual in nature, but

1:15:17

that happened. So on

1:15:19

one of these visits, he and Shirley

1:15:21

had been out and about and they were walking back

1:15:23

to his apartment and they got into an argument and

1:15:26

she took off one of her like platform

1:15:28

sandal shoes. Oh no.

1:15:31

And hit him in the jaw with the

1:15:33

heel of her shoe. Ooh,

1:15:35

that's not like playful at

1:15:37

all. No, she attacked him.

1:15:39

Wow. And from what I

1:15:41

understand, this was the last straw. He

1:15:44

tried to once again, completely caught off contact

1:15:46

with her, but she kept leaving

1:15:49

threatening voicemails and

1:15:51

like kept showing up to his apartment unannounced.

1:15:53

He had the police remove her from the

1:15:56

premises on at least one occasion. He

1:15:58

moved again. in

1:16:00

1998, this time leaving Canada

1:16:03

entirely and relocating to Pennsylvania,

1:16:05

and she followed

1:16:07

him. She moved to

1:16:09

Pennsylvania? No, she didn't move,

1:16:11

she just showed up at his

1:16:13

apartment. Oh my god. Like

1:16:15

a year later, like I

1:16:18

think she'd been going back and

1:16:20

forth, but one of the times

1:16:22

she showed up at his fucking apartment on April 7th, 1999,

1:16:24

he found her lying semi-conscious outside

1:16:31

of his apartment because she

1:16:33

had ingested a

1:16:35

combined 65 milligrams

1:16:37

of over-the-counter drugs in a quote-unquote

1:16:40

suicide attempt. And I

1:16:42

put this in quotes because it was clearly

1:16:44

a manipulation tactic on her part. And

1:16:47

she was not actually trying to

1:16:49

kill herself. She

1:16:51

was using this to

1:16:54

get his attention and get him to talk to her.

1:16:59

It was also, not only was it clearly

1:17:01

a manipulation tactic, it was a dramatic

1:17:04

one. So police

1:17:06

investigation revealed that Shirley had ingested 32

1:17:08

tablets of Unisom and 42 tablets of

1:17:13

Nozone. Unisone

1:17:16

helps you sleep and Nozone

1:17:18

apparently can induce vomiting. So

1:17:20

she took those with

1:17:22

a 20 ounce bottle of Pepsi and a

1:17:24

bag of potato chips and then just

1:17:26

like walked up to his apartment and

1:17:28

waited to see what would happen and

1:17:30

got super sick. A

1:17:33

pharmacy rep said they could not,

1:17:35

like a pharmacist, sorry, said that

1:17:37

they couldn't think of the rationale

1:17:39

to take these together, that this

1:17:41

would like make you very sick

1:17:43

but would require a whole

1:17:45

lot more of it to

1:17:48

actually like kill an adult. And

1:17:50

she as a doctor would know that. Right.

1:17:53

So this kind of established that theory that

1:17:55

this was a false attempt to

1:17:58

manipulate this man. planned

1:18:00

her outfit for the occasion, which like

1:18:02

if the medicine evidence

1:18:05

isn't enough, this sure as

1:18:07

shin is for me. She

1:18:10

wore a long black dress and

1:18:12

cradled a bouquet of red roses

1:18:14

and wrote two

1:18:17

suicide notes. One

1:18:20

that was four pages long for

1:18:22

Miles, this guy, Miles Doucette, and

1:18:24

the other one that was one

1:18:26

page to her psychiatrist. And

1:18:29

she said to her psychiatrist, I'm not

1:18:31

evil, just sick. Sure.

1:18:33

Okay. So Shirley was rushed

1:18:35

to a hospital where she is sick. Yeah,

1:18:38

you're right about a lot of that. Wow.

1:18:41

She's taken to the hospital, her stomach was

1:18:44

pumped. She's monitored while she recovers. And the

1:18:46

following day, Miles Doucette reports

1:18:48

receiving a voicemail from a female

1:18:50

caller who stated, quote, Dr. Turner

1:18:53

died last night, like Shirley died.

1:18:55

But she said it sounded like Shirley

1:18:57

trying to disguise her voice, calling and

1:19:00

saying she was dead to like see

1:19:02

how he would respond, see what

1:19:04

his reaction was. This is so, this is

1:19:06

also, I probably

1:19:08

the only time we're going to be

1:19:10

like, well, look what

1:19:12

she was wearing. Yeah.

1:19:14

But so it's so

1:19:17

it's so dramatic. And it also

1:19:19

just shows like all the premeditation

1:19:21

to the moves that she's making

1:19:23

and that these things are curated

1:19:26

and sought out by her. This

1:19:28

isn't just like most dense manipulation

1:19:30

that you could possibly think of.

1:19:32

She fucking knows what she's doing.

1:19:34

She knows what she's doing. So

1:19:37

that that's where it's like, did you

1:19:39

see what she was wearing in this context? That evidence

1:19:41

is applicable here. So

1:19:45

she's not dead. Spoiler

1:19:48

alert. She's very much alive. And

1:19:51

despite all of this, she still officially

1:19:53

becomes a doctor around this time. So she's able

1:19:56

to, you know, she's at that point in her

1:19:58

residency where like she is a She's

1:20:00

a doctor, she's able to practice medicine. And

1:20:04

she was working as a resident at a teaching hospital from 1998

1:20:06

to 2000. And

1:20:10

while she was there, she did get a

1:20:12

lot of professional criticism. Her

1:20:14

supervising physician stated that she would

1:20:16

become quote, quite hostile, yelling, crying

1:20:18

and accusing me of treating her

1:20:20

unfairly whenever she was like corrected

1:20:22

or criticized in any way. During

1:20:25

her remedial second residency period in

1:20:27

early 2000, Shirley Turner missed nine

1:20:30

days of her three month rotation

1:20:32

and falsified clinical reports.

1:20:35

A patient of the clinic refused

1:20:37

to return after an

1:20:39

encounter with her. Oh, was

1:20:42

like, I'm never fucking coming back to this clinic as

1:20:44

long as she works here. I won't do it.

1:20:47

And the staff became quote, so

1:20:49

concerned about Shirley Turner's approach to

1:20:52

confrontation the truth that we

1:20:54

would never give her feedback or hold

1:20:56

any major discussion with her alone.

1:20:59

People were afraid to talk to her

1:21:01

one on one. They always wanted to

1:21:03

make sure there were other representatives and

1:21:05

witnesses there. They were scared of her.

1:21:08

Probably a smart thing. Yes, very smart.

1:21:10

But also why you would never, can you

1:21:12

imagine working with that person? I

1:21:16

don't know. Especially in a clinical

1:21:18

setting where your primary obligation is

1:21:20

to take care of people.

1:21:22

Right. It's pretty obvious

1:21:24

though that the people who she

1:21:28

had to actually work with

1:21:30

and for had a very

1:21:32

different relationship and interactions with

1:21:34

her than other people in

1:21:36

the hospital that she was

1:21:38

manipulating. Because she once again

1:21:40

at this new teaching hospital

1:21:42

where she's working meets a

1:21:45

colleague and they

1:21:47

strike up a romantic relationship.

1:21:49

This is Andrew Bagby who she

1:21:51

meets in 1999 and they start to date. Andrew

1:21:55

was described as a kind devoted

1:21:58

son. He made eagles. scout

1:22:00

at 15. He was like super

1:22:02

family oriented. He was an only

1:22:04

child. He made friends super easily

1:22:07

like everybody knew him. Everybody loved him. He

1:22:09

was inspired by his mother who was a

1:22:11

nurse practitioner to become a doctor. So he

1:22:13

wanted to work in medicine because of her.

1:22:16

And his best friend was a filmmaker.

1:22:18

Yep. Well, yeah, we'll get to that. So

1:22:21

he moved to St. John's

1:22:24

Canada in this Newfoundland area to

1:22:26

attend the Memorial University of

1:22:29

Newfoundland. And his fiance Heather

1:22:31

made the move with him, but they

1:22:33

broke up after his first year of med school in

1:22:35

the summer of 1997. And then

1:22:38

Babbie was like totally destroyed by

1:22:40

this breakup. And two years later,

1:22:42

in the spring of 1999, he starts dating Shirley Turner,

1:22:45

after kind of

1:22:47

like not really seeing that many people in between

1:22:50

because he was still pretty devastated that

1:22:52

he and his fiance had broken up. He's

1:22:54

also a med

1:22:56

student. So like, yeah, he's

1:22:58

fucking busy time. So he's

1:23:02

considerably younger than Shirley. He's in his

1:23:04

third year of med school and starting

1:23:06

his residency where like he can't practice

1:23:08

medicine on his own. She's

1:23:11

in her second year of residency.

1:23:13

Shirley was, you know,

1:23:15

twice of or she's got three kids and

1:23:17

she's 12 years older than him. So Andrew's

1:23:19

friends are like, this is a weird match.

1:23:21

What's going on here? And

1:23:23

he would assure his friends that

1:23:25

like, this is a fling. She's

1:23:28

not looking for another husband. She's not

1:23:30

looking for anything serious and knows that

1:23:33

I'm not looking for anything serious while

1:23:35

in medical school. We're just hanging out

1:23:37

and having fun and hooking up. So

1:23:39

this is not like a super serious

1:23:41

relationship for him. And

1:23:44

it is for her. You

1:23:46

don't say. Yeah, but she

1:23:49

at this point has manipulated him into thinking, Oh, no,

1:23:51

no, no, we're on the same page as long as

1:23:53

you're still with me and only me and then

1:23:56

we'll see how it goes. So after

1:23:58

graduation, Andrew Bagby would return to

1:24:00

his home state of Pennsylvania working

1:24:02

as a family practitioner. And

1:24:05

Shirley Turner did the

1:24:07

same thing she did to the last guy

1:24:10

who coincidentally also moved to Pennsylvania, and

1:24:12

would follow him to the states like

1:24:15

go visit him, but she

1:24:17

took this way further. She

1:24:19

fully moved to the United States. She took

1:24:21

a job in Council Bluffs, Iowa.

1:24:24

That's where Ellen's from. I know. While

1:24:27

Bagby is working in Latrobe Area

1:24:30

Hospital in Pennsylvania.

1:24:32

And in this

1:24:34

way, the relationship continued pretty okay

1:24:37

because they're long distance. Shirley's

1:24:40

flying frequently out to Pennsylvania to spend

1:24:42

the weekend with him. And

1:24:45

it's kind of

1:24:47

allowing this just fling thing to continue.

1:24:49

He's not visiting her to him. It's

1:24:51

like, we're still not that serious.

1:24:53

But if you want to fly out here and hook up, like, that's

1:24:56

fine. Whatever. We're all consenting adults. But

1:25:00

he had made it sound to

1:25:02

his friends. And I believe him

1:25:04

that he was like, we weren't

1:25:06

exclusive. We have kind of

1:25:09

like an open relationship thing because we're long

1:25:11

distance now. And we weren't exclusive to begin

1:25:13

with. So he's like,

1:25:15

sort of seeing other people

1:25:17

are like going on dates with other people.

1:25:20

And she visits every once in a while.

1:25:23

Fine by me. I don't care. Yeah. And

1:25:25

that's just what the situation was. That seems

1:25:27

like a pretty common arrangement. Yeah.

1:25:29

And according to Andrew's parents, he

1:25:32

did try to frequently like ease

1:25:34

out of the relationship and just

1:25:36

move away from that. But like,

1:25:39

Shirley just kept

1:25:41

coming around. Yeah, found ways to just keep

1:25:43

coming around. And a lot of

1:25:45

folks were saying about their friend

1:25:48

and their son like Andrew was just so nice.

1:25:50

He was like too nice to put his foot

1:25:52

down. And this was working out

1:25:54

for them as he thought. So he just

1:25:56

was like, okay, we're going to continue this

1:25:59

long distance relationship. and

1:26:01

then as his interest in other

1:26:03

people starts to grow, in October of 2001, he's like, no,

1:26:07

I have to finally shut this down. We can't keep doing this.

1:26:09

So he's trying to make a clean break

1:26:11

from her, a final breakup. In response to

1:26:13

him trying to break up with her, she

1:26:16

purchases a .22 caliber handgun

1:26:20

and enrolls in a series of

1:26:22

firearm safety classes. She also

1:26:24

tells Andrew that she's three months pregnant.

1:26:27

Spoiler alert, she's not. She's

1:26:31

not pregnant when she says this to him. This

1:26:33

was a very misogynist thing that I thought, but

1:26:35

when you said that she just kept coming to

1:26:37

visit him my first time was, she's trying to

1:26:39

get pregnant. Honestly, I think

1:26:42

she was. And while we

1:26:44

don't apply, that obviously gets over applied

1:26:46

to so many situations that

1:26:50

are- It's a really easy excuse or

1:26:52

like a thing to blame on

1:26:54

women, but in this particular case,

1:26:56

sometimes that is happening. It

1:27:00

can be a very big manipulation tactic.

1:27:02

It can be like a misogynistic stereotype

1:27:04

and still truly happen in

1:27:06

the real world. Like those

1:27:08

two things can be true. So

1:27:11

she tells us she's pregnant at this time

1:27:13

she's not, but she uses this to get

1:27:15

Andrew to agree to talk to her at

1:27:17

an upcoming wedding of like

1:27:19

mutual friends. They were both gonna be there at

1:27:21

this wedding. According to friends who were there during

1:27:24

the wedding, the pair kind of acted like a

1:27:26

couple. Like they were dancing together, they're drinking together,

1:27:29

and it was suspected that either this

1:27:32

night or in culmination

1:27:34

or like in tandem with this

1:27:36

event, this was when

1:27:38

she does become pregnant with Andrew's

1:27:40

child and that they reconciled somewhat

1:27:43

on this weekend of the wedding.

1:27:45

And it's very likely that that's

1:27:47

the weekend that they had sex.

1:27:50

But Shirley wanted more than Andrew

1:27:53

was ready for and Andrew didn't

1:27:55

know that Shirley was pregnant for

1:27:57

real. He's still thinking

1:27:59

she's... pregnant from this lie that he had

1:28:01

told her and now she's like oh shit I

1:28:04

really do need to get pregnant because he's got

1:28:06

to find out that I'm not actually pregnant and

1:28:09

at the same time Shirley is getting

1:28:11

more and more suspicious that Andrew is

1:28:13

getting serious early seeing a specific

1:28:16

person at the hospital that he works a

1:28:18

radiologist a female radiologist that he works

1:28:20

with so Shirley

1:28:22

goes after that woman

1:28:25

because it is the other

1:28:27

woman's fault always leaving

1:28:29

messages and anonymous phone calls

1:28:31

but they're all from Shirley

1:28:34

Turner cell phone and she's leaving messages

1:28:36

saying that she should ask Andrew Bagby

1:28:38

about the quote beautiful blonde lady doctor

1:28:41

that he's been seen with and

1:28:43

that Dr. Bagby hurts people

1:28:46

leaving just these like fucked up weird

1:28:48

messages on this woman's totally

1:28:50

third-party not involved in any of

1:28:52

the shit woman's cell

1:28:54

phone yeah like they're probably

1:28:57

just colleagues hanging out at

1:28:59

an outside of work doesn't mean it's and

1:29:02

even if it is and I think that they

1:29:04

were seeing each other I really do but like

1:29:06

right Bagby had been like no

1:29:09

we're not together like we hook up but

1:29:11

we're not we're not exclusive so I can

1:29:13

see whoever I want and he had told

1:29:15

friends that he had told Shirley that mm-hmm

1:29:17

so this wasn't like him being sleazy about

1:29:19

it and you know even if it was

1:29:21

you don't have to be a fucking perfect

1:29:24

victim but like she was manipulating

1:29:26

the situation and was pissed that

1:29:28

like she's a fucking pick me

1:29:30

and he is still hanging

1:29:32

out with this radiologist and so because

1:29:35

she is not

1:29:37

a good fucking person she goes after this

1:29:39

woman who has nothing to fucking do

1:29:41

with her shit it's very frustrating so things

1:29:45

escalate from here real fucking fast so

1:29:47

I'm gonna go into more like a timeline

1:29:49

bullet point mode to try and cover

1:29:51

all this shit because it's a lot

1:29:53

make it as clinical as possible because

1:29:55

this shit fuck yeah yeah I yeah

1:30:00

Yeah on October 26 Shirley

1:30:03

went to spend the weekend with bagby November 3rd She

1:30:06

admits to lying about being

1:30:08

pregnant in an effort to keep him in

1:30:10

a relationship bagby is furious She may not

1:30:13

even know she's actually pregnant at this point

1:30:15

I that's unclear to me because like

1:30:18

her lie and them having their weekend

1:30:20

together. We're not that far apart Mm-hmm,

1:30:23

so she might not know

1:30:26

yet when she makes this confession bagby is

1:30:29

Furious understandably and drives Shirley to the

1:30:31

airport breaks up with her firmly. Finally

1:30:33

I don't want to talk to you

1:30:35

again sends her back to Iowa the

1:30:38

next day Shirley

1:30:40

makes three phone calls to Andrew bagby

1:30:42

from her home in Iowa then gets

1:30:44

her car around 1 p.m. To start

1:30:46

the 16 hour 946

1:30:50

mile drive from where she

1:30:52

lives to his hospital in Pennsylvania

1:30:57

With her gun and ammunition inside of

1:30:59

a box in her Toyota RAV4.

1:31:02

Oh in the early morning of November 5th

1:31:05

2001 around 5 30 a.m. She confronted bagby at his Residence

1:31:10

he was in like a little townhome.

1:31:12

That's right across the street from where

1:31:15

he has his practice his med is

1:31:17

medical practice They argued but

1:31:19

bagby was able to end the altercation and

1:31:21

safely get to work across the street on the Agreement

1:31:25

that he talked with her after his shift. So

1:31:27

he doesn't know she has a gun He's

1:31:30

just like whoa. Whoa. Whoa. What

1:31:32

the fuck are you doing back here? I have to go

1:31:34

to work I can't deal with this right now and

1:31:37

she's like, well, I'm not gonna let this go and he's

1:31:39

like, okay Then we need to talk after work. I'm not

1:31:41

gonna get fired because of this She's

1:31:43

like fine and He

1:31:45

goes to work and he gets there Super

1:31:48

agitated and tells his

1:31:50

friend who is also a co-worker

1:31:52

Clark Simpson about Surely

1:31:55

arriving at his door and

1:31:57

then completely dismissed Simpson's advice

1:32:00

not to meet with Shirley and Primus.

1:32:02

Bagby subsequently promised to visit

1:32:04

Clark Simpson's house after talking to

1:32:07

Shirley Turner that night, but

1:32:09

he never showed up at

1:32:12

Clark's house. So his friend

1:32:14

Clark Simpson recalled this interaction

1:32:17

with Andrew. Quote, he said, you'll never guess

1:32:19

who showed up on my doorstep at 5.30.

1:32:21

And I said who? And he said that

1:32:23

psychotic bitch, which like fair. And

1:32:26

I told him, I said, you know, Andrew, when I

1:32:28

break up with somebody and put them on a plane

1:32:30

and send them 1300 miles away. It's a

1:32:32

little shorter than that. I

1:32:35

said, they knock on my and they knock on

1:32:37

my front door. I'm going out the back door

1:32:39

and I'm calling the police. He

1:32:41

said, what do you mean? I said, Andrew, I said,

1:32:43

be serious. Nobody drives 16

1:32:45

hours after you've just broken up with them.

1:32:47

I said, do not meet her in private.

1:32:50

He said, what can happen? And told Simpson that

1:32:52

he had agreed to meet Turner in a nearby

1:32:55

car. He told Simpson that he would meet up

1:32:57

with him after saying, well, it's 4.30 now. I'm

1:33:00

meeting her at 6.00, 7.30. I'll

1:33:02

be at your house. And as we know,

1:33:04

he didn't ever make it there. Bagby's body

1:33:06

was found the next day in a day

1:33:09

use parking lot at Keystone State Park in

1:33:11

Derry Township, Pennsylvania, nearby his

1:33:13

vehicle and still wearing

1:33:15

his scrubs from the day before.

1:33:17

So like his car is there. He's in

1:33:19

the parking lot just outside of his car.

1:33:21

He had been

1:33:24

shot five times in the face, the chest,

1:33:27

the buttocks and the back of

1:33:29

the head with CCI 22 caliber

1:33:31

bullets. So she had theorized

1:33:34

that she'd taken the gun out in the car

1:33:37

while they were talking, pulled it on him. And

1:33:40

he opened his door and was trying

1:33:42

to run away. And she

1:33:44

kept shooting at him, got out and

1:33:46

finished him by shooting him in the back

1:33:48

of the head. Because the final

1:33:50

bullet that killed him was from

1:33:53

close range. Like, and in

1:33:55

the back of the head. Yeah. Well, he was already

1:33:57

on the ground. Yep. A

1:33:59

man walking through. the area on November

1:34:01

5, the day that this happened, did

1:34:03

report seeing a Toyota Camry and an

1:34:05

SUV parked in that lot. He said

1:34:07

he saw two cars about

1:34:09

10 minutes after bagby

1:34:12

had made his last phone call to his

1:34:14

friend Clark Simpson being like, Yeah, I'm at this park.

1:34:16

I'm meeting her here. I'll see you around 730. When

1:34:20

so none of this shit had gone down yet.

1:34:22

But when he walked by the following morning, this

1:34:24

guy takes his like morning and evening walks around

1:34:26

this park. On November 6, he

1:34:28

said he saw just the Camry, which

1:34:31

was bagby's vehicle, no SUV and then

1:34:33

Andrew bagby's body in the parking lot

1:34:35

and he called it in authorities believe

1:34:37

the SUV had belonged to Shirley Turner

1:34:39

who they say owns a Toyota

1:34:41

RAV4. On November 6,

1:34:43

according to records, tracked

1:34:45

by authorities a lot of like cell phone

1:34:47

records. Shirley Turner was driving back to Council

1:34:50

Bluffs, a roughly 16 hour 900 plus

1:34:53

mile trip. They also tracked her movements between

1:34:55

Iowa and Pennsylvania through cell phone records like

1:34:57

over the course of when this crime

1:35:00

took place based on like his time

1:35:02

of death, etc. So acting on

1:35:04

statements by Clark Simpson and others,

1:35:06

the Pennsylvania State Police contacted Shirley

1:35:09

Turner. Despite her claim to have

1:35:11

been in bed sick on November 5, cell

1:35:14

phone and internet records showed that she had

1:35:16

made cross country calls both to and from

1:35:18

La Trobe where Andrew was

1:35:20

working access eBay

1:35:23

and hotmail from Andrew

1:35:25

bagby's home computer, eBay

1:35:27

and hotmail. Yep. Jesus.

1:35:31

And use his home phone to

1:35:33

call Iowa to call the hospital

1:35:35

she worked at and tell them she was home

1:35:38

sick. They didn't even know that she was here.

1:35:40

Fucking idiot. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad she was

1:35:42

so fucking dumb about yeah, this shit so that

1:35:44

she could be brought to justice but spoiler

1:35:48

alert, she kind of wasn't brought to justice.

1:35:50

But yeah, there's a lot of evidence here.

1:35:52

When confronted with this evidence, she

1:35:54

claimed that she met with bagby at Keystone

1:35:56

Park but that he had put the gun

1:35:58

in So

1:36:01

she had told, this was weird, she had

1:36:03

told her shooting instructor that her gun

1:36:05

had been stolen. So she's trying

1:36:07

to like cover up that this was her gun.

1:36:11

Then she kind of walks that back and

1:36:13

is like, wow, yeah, I had

1:36:15

that gun, but I'd like given it to him. Like he took

1:36:17

it, it was in his train. So

1:36:20

it's almost like she was trying

1:36:22

to set up something that he,

1:36:25

I think she was going to try some manipulation

1:36:27

shit based on her former tactics and

1:36:29

be like, yeah, he put my gun, he was

1:36:31

going to kill himself or kill me. Like,

1:36:35

you know, he was angry with me because I

1:36:37

told him I was pregnant. It's obvious that she's

1:36:39

just trying to fucking poke holes

1:36:41

in his credibility and yes, make

1:36:43

herself the victim for her defense. Investigators

1:36:46

interviewed Turner's shooting instructor who explained

1:36:48

that her handgun ejected live

1:36:50

rounds during sessions. So

1:36:53

they collected those casings

1:36:57

and compared them to the rounds and

1:36:59

the casings that they had

1:37:02

picked up and the finish and

1:37:04

they were a match. Other

1:37:06

evidence included the lot number on a

1:37:08

box of condoms that was found in

1:37:10

her counsel bluffs apartment matching a box

1:37:12

that was purchased by Andrew bagby in

1:37:14

Latrobe, Pennsylvania on the night he broke

1:37:17

up with her. So like

1:37:19

he broke up with her, he dropped her off

1:37:21

at the airport, he went and purchased these some

1:37:24

condoms probably in anticipation of a planned

1:37:26

date with the radiologist and then went

1:37:28

home. And those condoms that

1:37:30

he bought after driving her to the to

1:37:32

the airport are the ones she stole

1:37:34

from his apartment and has

1:37:36

in her apartment after he's dead. So obviously

1:37:39

she was there. And

1:37:41

obviously she was there in the timeline that he

1:37:43

was killed because she grabbed them after

1:37:45

he dropped her off at the airport. Yeah.

1:37:51

They also found that she

1:37:53

had printed MapQuest directions from

1:37:55

her place to Latrobe. Okay,

1:37:58

I know this is in the early on. But

1:38:00

this is I know it's all boom. I

1:38:02

know. I know it's like where you would

1:38:04

clip it to your rear view I have

1:38:06

such distinct memories in our car of that

1:38:08

shit. Yeah Totally

1:38:11

and read the turn-by-turn

1:38:13

instructions While

1:38:15

you're driving the two-dimensional version of

1:38:18

actual like navigation that we use

1:38:20

on our phones now It

1:38:22

was exact same thought my

1:38:24

parents didn't use the map.

1:38:26

They printed the written directions

1:38:29

And would follow that that's not the

1:38:32

map the turn-by-turn. Oh, yeah, but

1:38:34

they're right here So no one was reading it

1:38:36

to them. I can't believe any of us survived.

1:38:38

Let's Be honest about

1:38:40

that. We should all be dead anyway on

1:38:42

that note Yeah, but

1:38:44

of course Shirley Turner had

1:38:46

left the country by the time authorities were

1:38:48

able to obtain a warrant for her arrest

1:38:51

She went back to Canada. She fucked off

1:38:53

back to Newfoundland. Yes where all of her

1:38:55

kids are Yep and

1:38:58

where not a Award

1:39:00

for her arrest is yeah So

1:39:03

when records showed that she had indeed driven

1:39:05

from Iowa to Andrews neighborhood the day of

1:39:07

the murder and then returned to Iowa She's

1:39:10

formally charged all this other evidence they

1:39:12

had but now she's gone and there needs

1:39:15

to be an extradition hearing Because she's

1:39:17

back in Canada and this takes weeks She

1:39:20

would later claim that she just left because she had

1:39:22

to see her son who was in the hospital due

1:39:24

to a car accident Hmm,

1:39:26

they even are so much about my kids all of a

1:39:28

sudden, right? But even her son who at this point is

1:39:30

an adult living on his own Was

1:39:33

surprised to see his mother given how

1:39:35

absent she'd been in his childhood Wow,

1:39:38

so she shows up and Starts

1:39:41

to try to like suddenly reform a relationship

1:39:43

with him probably because she has Know

1:39:45

where the fuck else to go and she's

1:39:47

wanted for murder in the US. She

1:39:50

also told Andrew Bagby's

1:39:52

mother that she didn't intend

1:39:54

to ever return to the United States So

1:39:58

that made it clear to the US sound

1:40:00

like they're gonna have to do a full extradition because she's

1:40:03

not fucking coming back. During this

1:40:05

time, Turner announces that

1:40:07

she is verifiably pregnant

1:40:09

with Bagby's baby. His

1:40:12

poor fucking parents. Oh

1:40:14

yeah, we'll get to the parents. Bagby's

1:40:16

parents. Zachary Andrew Turner, so yes,

1:40:18

this woman named her baby after

1:40:21

the man she murdered, was

1:40:23

born on July 18th, 2002. Andrew

1:40:27

Bagby's parents moved

1:40:29

from the States to Newfoundland to

1:40:32

attempt to be present grandparents

1:40:35

to their grandbaby that never

1:40:37

got to meet his father,

1:40:39

their son. It's so fucking

1:40:41

heartbreaking. And we're anticipating

1:40:44

that someone would need to have

1:40:46

custody of Zachary depending on the

1:40:48

outcome and duration of the trial

1:40:50

against Shirley. Shirley, of course,

1:40:52

tried to block access, their

1:40:55

access to Zachary at every

1:40:57

turn. And they were able to-

1:40:59

And they're just trying to make it as

1:41:01

easy as possible to get custody of- Their

1:41:03

grandson. Their grandson. Because

1:41:05

their mother is arguably going

1:41:08

to prison. I can't believe they

1:41:10

can fucking look her in

1:41:12

the face. Oh, it gets- Let alone be in

1:41:14

the same- She put them fucking through it. It's

1:41:17

wild. They were finally

1:41:19

able to negotiate a supervised one

1:41:22

hour a week visitation. And

1:41:25

they had to be searched, like

1:41:27

fricked, every time because

1:41:29

Shirley Turner claimed that she

1:41:31

feared they might harm Zachary.

1:41:33

They might harm Zachary. Yup.

1:41:35

Cute. I mean, I

1:41:38

can't even begin to fathom the

1:41:40

rage and emotion of having to face

1:41:43

and be nice to the

1:41:45

woman who murdered your son just so that

1:41:47

you can continue to see your grandson and

1:41:49

have custody of him if she is convicted.

1:41:51

And so- They have to play nice with

1:41:54

her. Yeah. Or they're

1:41:56

fucked. At this time, they're going through

1:41:58

some sort of extradition process. us back

1:42:00

to the US so she can stand trial or

1:42:02

is that already like happening?

1:42:05

I think the trial has begun

1:42:09

at this point but I think

1:42:11

it's in Canada for some reason.

1:42:14

I'm a little fishy on that and I just kind of focus

1:42:17

on like the more

1:42:19

emotional aspects of this than those

1:42:21

exact logistics. This

1:42:24

begins with that process

1:42:26

and extends through all

1:42:29

of these processes and they're in Newfoundland

1:42:31

when this happens so they must have

1:42:33

had something happen

1:42:35

where she was either

1:42:38

maybe this was the extradition and then this was

1:42:40

to send her back to the States. Again,

1:42:42

I'm a little foggy on that but either

1:42:45

way they've moved up there, they're

1:42:48

around for the duration of all of this that is

1:42:50

to come. So David Bagby, Andrew

1:42:52

Bagby, no David Bagby is Andrew's

1:42:55

father who's out up there. He

1:42:57

said in an interview about this

1:42:59

whole situation like being frisked and

1:43:01

getting an hour a week with

1:43:04

their grandson in the beginning, he

1:43:06

said, quote, that's about as hard as it gets.

1:43:09

My blood pressure, I just cringe facing that bitch

1:43:11

and having to be civil to her, which again,

1:43:13

fucking fair. So

1:43:16

Turner, but now it's November of

1:43:18

2002, Turner has been

1:43:20

put in jail and Zachary

1:43:22

has been placed with his grandparents. A

1:43:24

Canadian judge ruled that a properly

1:43:26

instructed jury would likely find Shirley

1:43:29

Turner guilty and here

1:43:31

we go, ordered her incarceration while awaiting

1:43:33

a decision from justice officials to surrender

1:43:35

her to the United States, which takes

1:43:38

a long time. Oh, okay.

1:43:40

So this is part of the extradition. Yes,

1:43:42

this is all leading up to a

1:43:44

trial in the US, but you

1:43:46

wouldn't even be heading down there

1:43:48

until they the US gets their shit

1:43:50

together. So the judge in Canada is

1:43:53

like, yeah, but you got to say you

1:43:55

got to stay in jail while you're waiting for all this.

1:43:57

So she agrees

1:44:00

that the bagbies are

1:44:03

allowed to have custody of Zachary, but she

1:44:05

required that they bring him to visit her

1:44:07

in jail once a week and

1:44:10

that they had to accept her daily

1:44:12

phone calls and they complied.

1:44:14

So they're trapped in Newfoundland.

1:44:16

They can't leave because they have to visit her