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of the Fourth of July. I think

3:01

it is. Nice. Well,

3:04

we are going to celebrate

3:06

our nation's founding by

3:09

talking about bombs. Yeah, why

3:11

not? So this is bad

3:14

bombings. Bad bombings. And I

3:16

also have, I got

3:18

a little case for us about a domestic

3:22

white Christian terrorist. So what could

3:24

be more American than that? Oh,

3:26

it should come as a shock

3:28

to no one that my bomber

3:31

is also white. A

3:34

shitty white man. So

3:37

many shitty white men. So many

3:39

to choose from. A lot of

3:41

shitty whites out there. They never

3:43

blow themselves up. Petition.

3:47

Together we can

3:50

make change. Sisé

3:54

puede. Yes. All

3:57

right. Well, I have

3:59

a. So

8:00

like flip a spoon over above

8:02

the glass and pour over the

8:05

spoon. So yeah, it spreads

8:08

it out. It's gonna keep

8:10

it from like crashing down on your red

8:12

layer and help with the layering to stay

8:14

like really nicely separated. Spreads

8:16

out the density of the liquid so that

8:18

the layers don't mix when they're pouring. And

8:21

then they recommend that you garnish

8:24

with a full blown bon-pop popsicle

8:26

to use as a stirrer. Oh,

8:29

I won't be doing that. I would, are

8:31

you kidding? A fat

8:33

maraschino cherry would be super cute on top.

8:35

That also would be super, super, super cute.

8:38

I'm also noticing that it looks like she's

8:41

using small ice cubes. Yes.

8:44

So that probably helps maintain your crisp layers

8:46

too. For sure. My ice maker, I have

8:48

just a tabletop ice maker because I'm not

8:50

fancy enough to have an ice

8:53

maker in my fridge on like some

8:55

people I know that I co-host this

8:57

podcast with. That

8:59

was a very expensive fridge. I know. I

9:01

use it to fill up my Stanley. Exactly.

9:04

My tabletop ice maker makes

9:06

like the little easy

9:09

to chew ice and I'm

9:11

fucking obsessed. Yes,

9:14

it's so good. Yum.

9:17

So yeah, I mean, I didn't make this because

9:21

I can't. I

9:24

can't. Ha ha

9:26

ha. Because

9:29

we've had a very sluggish week so

9:31

far. Sluggish in terms of being able

9:33

to record. Definitely not sluggish in terms

9:35

of like admin work behind the scenes.

9:37

Oh no. It's been a crazy week,

9:39

but I'm also, I have a little

9:42

friend date this evening with my friend,

9:44

Aala, and I have to drive and

9:46

I just like didn't want to deal

9:48

with drinking before I am driving

9:50

to go hang out with her. Well, you

9:52

also don't want to show up to meet

9:54

your friend with a. With a purple mouth.

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So I guess that means I gotta get my bones.

28:00

In the late 1200s, the news

28:02

of black gunpowder spread like wildfire,

28:04

so to speak. Different countries began

28:07

using different compositions for their black

28:09

powder. So the Chinese

28:11

powder consisted of 75% saltpeter, which

28:15

we'll get to. Saltpeter is another

28:17

word for potassium nitrate. Got it.

28:19

15% carbon and 10% sulfur. The

28:22

French used 75% saltpeter, 12.5% sulfur, and

28:26

12.5% charcoal, and the English

28:28

used 75% saltpeter, 15%

28:30

charcoal, and 10% sulfur. I'm

28:32

naming my next cat saltpeter. It's

28:35

a cute name. It is kind of

28:37

cute. It's horrifying, but it's kind of

28:40

cute. So quick word about saltpeter. Ugh,

28:42

tell me more. So it's, like

28:44

I said, it's potassium nitrate. The

28:46

Arabs called it Chinese snow. Okay.

28:49

And the Persians called it Chinese salt. The

28:53

word nitrate comes from the Greek

28:56

nitron. Everything comes from the Greek

28:58

baby. Mm-hmm, exactly. Put

29:00

some windex on it. So

29:03

nitron went through Old English and

29:05

Middle English as nighter. And

29:08

by the 15th century, something

29:11

happened in there where it became

29:13

saltpeter in Europe, and

29:16

later as nitrate of

29:18

potash, which

29:20

comes from potash, which makes

29:23

the word potassium. Yep, yep.

29:25

As the chemical compounds became

29:27

more understood by scientists.

29:30

That's the evolution of the

29:33

naming criteria is pretty

29:35

fucking cool to follow. I

29:37

love the etymology. Yeah, that

29:39

would be the word for that that I

29:41

couldn't come up with. Mm-hmm. It's

29:43

funny that you forgot the word for etymology.

29:45

Yeah, sure did. Sure

29:48

did. Also love

29:50

entomology. According

29:53

to Britannica, again, my brother-in-law,

29:56

the typical conventional bomb is a

29:58

streamlined cylinder consists of five major

30:00

parts. So it's a tube with

30:02

an outer casing that's commonly made

30:05

of metal. We

30:07

have the inner explosive material, which

30:09

is usually made of TNT or

30:13

RDX, which stands

30:15

for Royal Demolition Explosive. It's

30:17

just another organic compound like

30:19

TNT that's commonly used as

30:22

an explosive. So

30:24

TNT, RDX, they are two completely different

30:26

compounds, but basically in use and where

30:28

they come from, this is the same

30:30

thing. Sure. Also

30:33

ammonium nitrate or other high explosives

30:35

in combination with each other, because

30:38

like I said, like all these, several

30:41

different countries had their own mixes

30:43

for what became

30:45

gunpowder. So like different

30:48

combos have different effects. And

30:51

then you would have devices such as

30:54

like fins on the side

30:56

of a bomb to stabilize it in flight.

30:59

Because depending on the kind

31:01

of bomb, it's

31:04

gonna go somewhere when it explodes, like

31:06

at least the casing. Plus

31:08

if you're like launching it from somewhere else,

31:11

you need it to be able to be

31:13

stable. Then we

31:15

have one or more fuses to ignite

31:17

the bomb's main charge and

31:19

a mechanism for arming the fuse

31:21

or preparing it to explode. Got

31:24

it. So these can be

31:26

classified according to their use and

31:28

explosive material. For example, fragmentation, incendiary

31:31

or anti-armor. So

31:35

that's kind of how we classify

31:37

bombs for the most part. Okay.

31:39

So I couldn't search like

31:42

the most common types of terrorist

31:44

bombs without like ringing the loudest

31:47

of alarm bells. Fair. But

31:50

the National Academies and the Department

31:52

of Homeland Security published something on

31:54

improvised explosive devices. So IEDs, not

31:58

IUDs. No. Different.

32:01

Very different. So, I think it's safe

32:03

to assume that those are the most

32:05

common. So, an

32:07

IED attack is the use of

32:09

a quote-unquote homemade bomb and or

32:12

destructive device employed to destroy, incapacitate,

32:14

harass, or distract. They

32:17

are used by criminals, vandals, terrorists, suicide

32:19

bombers, and insurgents and can come in

32:21

many forms, ranging from

32:23

small pipe bombs to like

32:25

larger sophisticated devices. Sure. So,

32:28

in the term IED, you might recognize

32:30

from its common

32:33

parlance during the Iraq War.

32:35

Yep. Yep. There

32:37

are many commonly available materials such

32:40

as fertilizer, gunpowder, and hydrogen peroxide

32:42

that can be used as explosive

32:44

materials in IED. So, they

32:47

can be really easy to make. Yeah.

32:50

I'm not going to tell you how. Nope.

32:53

But there are definitely sources online

32:55

that tell people exactly how to

32:57

make bombs and that is terrifying.

33:01

Bombs are one of my big fears. It's

33:03

like big waves and explosions. Big

33:05

waves and big explosions. They're not,

33:07

none of it's great. No, it's

33:09

so scary. A very common example

33:12

of a fuel and an oxidizer

33:14

for an explosive is called an

33:16

ANFO, an ANFO, which

33:19

is a mixture of ammonium nitrate and

33:21

fuel oil. So, ANFO. Got it. And

33:23

here's a fun fact to round us

33:26

out on our background portion. The

33:28

concern about the use of explosives created

33:30

from liquid components that can be transported

33:32

in a stable form and mixed at

33:35

the site of an attack. This

33:37

is why the TSA won't let you have

33:39

liquids on a plane anymore. Yeah. Exactly.

33:43

Well, they'll let you have liquids on a plane, but you can't bring your

33:45

own from home. You know what I mean. People

33:47

know what that means. You can't have more than three ounces.

33:49

Yep. Yep. Yep.

33:53

There are four different containers of three

33:55

ounces or something like that. And

33:58

that's because you can mix two

34:00

stables. chemicals in liquid form and

34:02

create an explosion. Right. And

34:05

that's like, you know, the classic

34:07

scene from like the two kids

34:10

flirting in chemistry class. Oh, yes.

34:12

And their beaker overflows. Their beaker.

34:14

And their hands accidentally touch. It's

34:17

so cute. Yeah, so that's

34:19

what TSA saw and they were like,

34:21

ew, we

34:23

better restrict, you know,

34:25

yogurt. Mm-hmm. Okay,

34:28

now I have a little case for us. I

34:30

don't know if you've ever heard of this guy, but

34:32

he is a fucking

34:35

freak. Oh, God, okay. Eric

34:37

Robert Rudolph was

34:40

born on September 19th, 1966, which

34:43

makes him a Virgo? Yes.

34:46

Is my mom a Virgo? Why did

34:48

I think, well, because my dad's a Libra and

34:50

I'm a Libra. You're definitely a

34:52

Libra. When's your mom's birthday? The 18th. September

34:55

19th. She's a Virgo. Zodiac.

34:58

Wow. Wow. I'm

35:01

36. And

35:04

just confirming this. I think my

35:06

mom's an Aries. I have no

35:09

idea. What's your birthday? February 6th.

35:12

February 6th. Feb.

35:17

Six. Zodiac. Aquarius.

35:19

Aquarius. She's the

35:22

dawning of the age of Aquarius. Cute.

35:25

Super cute. Okay, back to

35:27

this Virgo. Eric

35:30

Rudolph was born in Merritt

35:32

Island, Florida. In 1981, his father passed away.

35:36

Don't feel sorry for him. I won't.

35:38

And Rudolph moved from Florida with his

35:40

mom and siblings to Nantahala,

35:43

North Carolina. Nantahala.

35:48

Okay. He attended Western Carolina

35:50

University. Oh my God, there's

35:52

a Western Carolina. Jesus. Call

35:55

it down. Call it over it, y'all. Cool

35:58

it. What's next, Easter? Eastern Carolina.

36:00

Good God. You already have North

36:03

and South. Jesus. What

36:05

more do you want? God.

36:09

Give them an inch. They'll take two other states.

36:13

Every cardinal direction. So

36:17

he attended Western Carolina University for a year

36:19

and served in the Army between 1987 and

36:21

1989. Great

36:25

years. Great years. Attending

36:27

the Air Assault, the Air, I

36:29

think it's supposed to be Air

36:32

Assault Academy. Okay. Whatever. And

36:34

some sort of like intense air

36:36

assault training. Okay.

36:38

At Fort Campbell and attaining the

36:40

rank of specialist, but

36:43

he was discharged for smoking

36:45

the devil's lettuce. Oh,

36:48

I think of all the opportunities

36:50

I could never have qualified for.

36:54

Because of my love of the devil's

36:56

lettuce. Yeah. What opportunities? Well,

36:58

I mean, if I had gone

37:00

back in time and wanted to

37:02

be an Aero Blast Engineer, never

37:05

would have made it. Air Assault. Yeah.

37:07

Never would have made it past

37:09

the gate. Yeah. I wouldn't

37:11

even go to the gift shop there. No. Following

37:14

his discharge, he began working

37:17

as a self-employed carpenter in

37:20

Western North, speaking

37:22

of cardinal directions. Western

37:25

North Carolina, Eastern

37:27

Tennessee, and Northern Georgia. I feel

37:29

like you're just being trolled by

37:31

the Carolinas now. I know. Like

37:34

this feels targeted. Western North

37:36

Carolina. Are you fucking kidding

37:39

me? Calm down people. This

37:43

is too much. This is too

37:45

much. Where's Peniston? Around

37:48

this time, he became associated with

37:50

a number of white supremacist groups.

37:53

Oh, you don't say. He was

37:55

strongly linked with the Christian identity

37:57

movement, which believes that Northern Europe

38:00

Europeans are descendants of the 10

38:02

lost tribes of Israel, meaning

38:05

that they are God's true

38:08

chosen people. Sure. He

38:10

cited biblical passages. Often

38:12

he claimed to be a Catholic,

38:14

which is always a red flag.

38:21

He's hardcore and filled

38:23

with hate and bigotry.

38:26

Great. Yeah. He's

38:28

a great guy to have been trained

38:30

at a high level by our military.

38:32

The white supremacist

38:35

to pipe bomb pipeline

38:37

is very fucking tight

38:39

and clear. It is.

38:42

God. It really is.

38:44

So Rudolph, spoiler alert, began

38:46

to wreak havoc in the summer of

38:48

1996. I'm shocked by

38:50

this. I did not think

38:52

that's where this was going. No, who would?

38:55

Catholic. Oh God. No

38:58

one's safe. So in the summer

39:00

of 1996, when he planted a bomb

39:02

in Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta, so

39:05

this happened on July 27th. As

39:08

spectators watched the summer Olympics,

39:11

a blast ripped through the

39:13

crowd, killing one woman who

39:15

had traveled with her daughter to watch the

39:17

summer games and injuring more than a hundred

39:20

other people. Oh my God. It

39:22

was sort of like two deaths. It was

39:24

like one and a half because a Turkish

39:26

TV camera operator also had a fatal heart

39:29

attack after running to help the injured. Oh

39:31

my God. Yes, that's not even a half.

39:33

That's a whole. Yeah. That's

39:35

that's directly as a result of

39:38

this traumatizing incident. It killed him.

39:41

Mm hmm. But it injured

39:43

a hundred and eleven people. That's

39:46

wild. It only quote unquote only killed

39:48

two, which is extremely impressive. I mean,

39:51

yeah, it's kind of miraculous. So considering

39:53

the site, it had to have been

39:55

a pretty decent blast to have injured

39:58

that many people. Yep. Have

40:00

you ever heard of Richard Jewell? No.

40:03

Okay, so basically the reason why

40:05

only, I

40:07

say that lightly, only two people died after

40:11

this really intense bomb

40:14

is because a security guard at

40:16

the Olympic, at

40:18

Olympic park, like saw

40:20

the bag before it exploded and he

40:22

thought it was suspicious. So he like

40:25

cleared the area. Oh my God, we've

40:27

got a hero. Well,

40:29

he saved

40:31

countless lives, but

40:34

he was like, I don't remember

40:36

like the details, but he was so like willing

40:39

to help the FBI. And like he

40:41

did such a good job that he

40:44

became the FBI's prime suspect. Oh

40:46

no. And then like the media

40:48

got ahold of it and it

40:51

was like this trial by media shit

40:53

storm. But was

40:56

he? He was

40:58

not. He was responsible for

41:00

saving lives by clearing the

41:02

area. This isn't the Shyamalan

41:04

twist. This is like, he's

41:06

getting screwed right now.

41:08

This, that detail is

41:10

not a Shyamalan twist. That's

41:13

just like an extra story. There's

41:16

a whole movie. It's called Richard

41:18

Jewell. Oh, okay. No,

41:21

I haven't heard of this. I feel like it's on Netflix. You should

41:23

look it up. It's really interesting.

41:25

And this man's life was like

41:28

fucking destroyed. Oh God. And

41:30

we'll kind of come back to him in a little bit. This

41:33

is why you never help people. Well,

41:36

they also like didn't

41:38

find the actual

41:40

bomber, Rudolph. What

41:42

the fuck? Mm-hmm. And

41:45

before the bomb detonated, he anonymously

41:47

called 911 twice to

41:50

warn them about the bomb. The

41:53

actual bomber. Yeah, Rudolph. So

41:56

put Richard Jewell out of your head for now. Cause he

41:59

was not. Not involved in

42:01

this other than saving

42:03

lives. Yeah, he ended up being

42:06

an innocent victim of the court

42:08

of public opinion. Yup. Got it.

42:11

In like a really fucked up way. Ugh. So

42:14

he like got away. Over the

42:17

next two years, Rudolph

42:19

hides more bombs in different places

42:21

in January of 1997, so the following January, he

42:26

hid, and I

42:28

got conflicting kind of reports. I

42:31

think he hid two bombs at

42:33

an abortion clinic in the Atlanta

42:35

suburbs of Sandy Springs. Of course.

42:38

Save the baby so I'm gonna

42:40

bomb this place. Well,

42:42

he's a Catholic, remember? Yeah.

42:45

Yeah. I'm pro-life, so I'm gonna

42:47

try to kill a bunch of fucking people. Yeah,

42:49

yeah, it's logic. Yeah. Seven

42:52

people were injured in that explosion. So

42:54

I think it's not quite clear that

42:57

there were two bombs in this case.

42:59

One article I found mentioned a secondary

43:01

bomb, which Osha describes as

43:03

a bomb intended to kill or

43:05

injure parties who are responding to

43:07

a first explosion. Oh my

43:09

God. So it's like timed to go

43:12

off later when rescue comes? Correct.

43:15

That's fucked up. I never even

43:17

like thought of that. Mm-hmm. Oh,

43:20

that's sick. That's a thing? Yeah. Ugh.

43:23

Because remember when I said that

43:25

we can classify bombs based on

43:27

their intention? Oh, fuck. So a

43:29

secondary bomb would be a second

43:32

and potentially more

43:35

lethal bomb because

43:37

that's when they're really trying to take people

43:39

out. Ugh. Isn't

43:42

that gross? I hate that. Yeah.

43:44

In February of the same year, so like

43:47

a month later, he hid two more bombs

43:49

at the Otherside Lounge, which was a lesbian

43:52

nightclub in Northeast Atlanta. Now he's

43:54

going after the gays? Yep. The

43:57

fuck? Catholic. Yeah, all right.

43:59

Yeah. The answer to the

44:01

question, what the fuck is almost always

44:03

gatling. Gath? Gathlic. Yeah, basically.

44:07

Oh, OK. It's the new

44:09

it was the 60s. Yeah, gathlic. Gathlic.

44:13

So at

44:15

the other side lounge, that explosion

44:17

injured four people. Investigators

44:19

were able to find again, he

44:22

again planted a second bomb at

44:24

the other side, but a secondary

44:26

one. A secondary. Yep. Oh, God.

44:29

So investigators were able to locate the

44:31

second bomb before it detonated. Otherwise,

44:34

that could have been God. Yeah. On

44:36

January 29th, 1998, so

44:39

basically a full year after that, he

44:42

hit a bomb beneath a shrub

44:44

at the new woman all women

44:46

clinic in Birmingham, Alabama. And

44:48

one of their health care services

44:50

were was providing abortions. This

44:54

explosion killed 35 year

44:56

old Robert Sanderson, who

44:58

was an off duty police officer working as

45:01

a security guard there and

45:03

injured a 41 year old nurse

45:05

named Emily Lyons. So

45:08

this one, because it killed a cop, this

45:11

is what really pissed off the

45:14

feds. Well, yeah. And then they're

45:16

actually going to take the investigation

45:19

fucking seriously because that's more valuable

45:21

a life to them. I think

45:23

they also maybe had not connected

45:25

these bombs to the Olympic Park

45:28

bomb at this point. So they're

45:31

they don't know how many how many like it's

45:34

not. It wasn't immediately clear that this

45:36

guy has been bombing all over the

45:38

place. Sure. For the last three years.

45:40

Yeah. What the fuck? By

45:43

the way, the bombs that he was making were loaded with

45:45

nails. My guy did

45:47

that, which acted as shrapnel.

45:49

And these are intended to maim as

45:51

many people as possible. And

45:54

nail bombs are go figure a

45:56

favorite among terrorists. The

45:59

next on January 30th of

46:02

98, so the day after

46:04

that second abortion clinic bombing, law

46:07

enforcement agencies began looking for Rudolph after

46:09

witnesses reported seeing his gray 1989 Nissan

46:11

pickup near

46:14

the clinic. But only

46:16

a few days later on February 7th,

46:18

that truck was found abandoned in the

46:20

woods by two raccoon hunters. From

46:24

there, hundreds of law enforcement officers

46:26

and also just like citizens conducted

46:29

a door-to-door search and combed through

46:31

the woods, but Rudolph managed to

46:33

hide from them because remember he's

46:36

like a specialist army like survival

46:38

guy. Yeah, air bomb specialist. Yeah,

46:41

whatever I said, air traffic

46:43

controller, air assault, air assault,

46:45

air assault can. Yikes. User.

46:48

A week later, a federal

46:50

warrant is issued charging Rudolph with the Birmingham

46:52

bombing, so that again is the one that

46:54

killed the cop. Okay, but he hasn't been

46:56

charged with the other ones yet because they're

46:59

still working on this investigation. They're like getting

47:01

in with what they had him for

47:03

first. I think so. I

47:06

don't know when the FBI like totally

47:08

pieced together everything that he did. Okay.

47:10

But I think because those last few,

47:13

because the Olympic Park bombing

47:15

happened like three

47:17

years before the most

47:19

recent bombing, I think they were

47:22

just far enough apart. Okay. They

47:24

were all in the Atlanta area.

47:27

Yeah. That's not true. Birmingham, Alabama

47:29

was the last abortion clinic, but.

47:31

A lot of my stuff is

47:33

in the, it takes place in

47:35

Atlanta. So on May 5th,

47:37

1998, the FBI named him on their

47:39

10 most wanted list offering a reward

47:41

of a million dollars for any information

47:43

leading to his arrest. Meanwhile,

47:46

his family is openly

47:48

and loudly saying that he was innocent.

47:50

He's being wrongfully accused by the FBI

47:52

and by the media.

47:55

Mm-hmm. Several family members

47:57

were questioned and put under surveillance. whom

48:01

didn't take it so well. Being

48:03

surveilled, you don't say? Being

48:06

surveilled as they're covering for

48:09

a serial bomber? Well,

48:12

I think like his whole family's bucket

48:14

nuts, because in- Catholic.

48:18

Catholic. Something

48:20

that I didn't foresee,

48:23

that same month that he was put on the 10

48:25

Most Wanted list, his

48:28

brother Daniel set

48:30

up a camera in his Somerville, South

48:32

Carolina home to protest

48:34

what he felt was the persecution of his

48:36

brother by the FBI and the media. Okay,

48:38

so he wanted, this is like before Ring

48:40

Doorbells. So he wanted to show like, they're

48:43

harassing us. They're stalking our house. Like- Nope.

48:46

He is basically making a blog

48:48

here. Oh my

48:50

God, Creed Thoughts. In

48:54

the footage, he cuts

48:56

off his left hand with a

48:58

radial arm saw. What?

49:00

Which was later surgically reattached, his

49:03

hand, not the saw. What

49:08

the fuck, dude? I looked

49:11

high and low for stills from this

49:13

video. Oh, good for you, but you

49:15

couldn't find any. Well, I found a

49:17

link to the video that somebody posted

49:19

because they put in a FOIA request,

49:21

because like the FBI, he sent it

49:23

to the FBI. Yeah. But it like

49:25

wouldn't load very quick. And then I

49:27

chickened out. I chickened

49:29

out. I navigated away. I got tired of waiting for

49:32

it to load. So I gave up. Had it loaded

49:34

faster, I would have watched it. Forward

49:36

it to me, I have really good internet. Okay.

49:42

I won't chick it out. And I want

49:44

to watch this idiot cut his hand off,

49:46

dumb fuck. I think he intended to cut

49:48

both his hands off, but like- Well, how

49:50

are you gonna, how are- It's a fucking

49:52

circular saw. You need one to like use

49:55

the saw. Okay, here's what he could do. Here's what

49:57

he could do. I'm picturing this. One

50:00

hand's gone because he has two functioning

50:02

hands. He uses one functioning

50:04

hand to cut off the other, right? Then

50:07

he's like, oh shit, what do I

50:09

do? It's spurting, it's

50:11

spurting. Put it saw up

50:14

between your legs, squeeze it

50:17

between your thighs, put

50:19

it on, move your hand,

50:21

move your arm with the

50:23

other hand. Put

50:26

your wrist to the spinning saw, and cut it

50:28

off. I need you to know, there's

50:31

a picture on the drive, which will be on the

50:33

blog of a radial

50:35

arm saw, which I think it's ironic that

50:37

it's an arm saw. I'm looking,

50:39

because we have a circular saw that

50:42

is handheld. This isn't

50:44

handheld, it's attached to. Okay,

50:46

so this one has the tape, so he just

50:48

chickened out. He could have just moved the other

50:50

arm and rushed it right through, but he didn't

50:52

fucking do it. Yeah, pussy. Yeah, this guy's just

50:55

a bitch. So

50:59

he gets his hand reattached. He easily

51:01

could have cut off the other hand.

51:03

Like he got it reattached. I feel

51:05

like he really wimped out. Yeah, what

51:07

a baby. Boo. It's

51:11

giving Bob it. As

51:15

in Lorena. John, yeah. He

51:17

got his dick put back on.

51:19

Fuck him. Yeah, fuck that guy.

51:22

Okay, so brother Daniel cuts off his

51:24

hand, gets it reattached, whatever. In

51:26

October 1998, Rudolph

51:29

was formally charged with the bombings

51:31

at Centennial Olympic Park, New

51:33

Woman Clinic, and the other side nightclub. So they

51:35

did piece it together by October 98. But

51:39

he's still not in custody. He

51:41

is hiding in the fucking woods. Oh

51:45

my God. Also around this time,

51:47

the Justice Department officially apologized to

51:49

Richard Jewell, which was like. Yes.

51:53

Long overdue. Well,

51:55

it was just like a really surprising

51:57

move because like the Justice Department doesn't

51:59

do. shit like that doesn't take responsibility

52:01

for their fuck ups fucking ever. Yep.

52:04

Yeah. So that was like unprecedented. Yeah,

52:06

it was a big deal. This

52:09

is from Murderpedia, which is one of my

52:11

favorite websites. It is

52:13

thought that Rudolph had the assistance of

52:15

sympathizers while he was evading capture because

52:17

he was on the run for five

52:20

years. Holy shit.

52:22

Well, clearly his brother cut his arm

52:24

hand off for him. Yeah. Some

52:27

were inexplicably like water. What

52:30

statement are you making, Daniel? It's

52:32

the pro life. I'm going to blow people

52:34

up like the logic here is so the

52:38

mental gymnastics these folks are doing

52:40

to perpetuate their quote unquote cause

52:43

is sickening. That's

52:45

wild. Some in the

52:47

area where he was were vocal

52:49

in support of him. Two country

52:51

music songs were written about

52:53

him and a locally top

52:55

selling T-shirt red run Rudolph

52:58

run. Oh

53:01

my God. There are a lot

53:03

of white supremacists in this area.

53:05

Yes. Yes. Many Christian

53:08

identity adherents are outspoken in their

53:10

support of Rudolph. And like

53:12

there was a bunch of like talk on the

53:14

Internet that praised him as a hero. And

53:18

we're also calling for others

53:21

to like make similar. No

53:23

cause. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

53:26

Like you can make bombs to

53:28

blow up abortion clinics. Here's how.

53:30

Yeah. And

53:32

a T-shirt that says run Rudolph

53:34

run. Every teacher with every pipe

53:36

bomb starter kit. Oh, sick. Yes.

53:39

Yes, she's right. I hate it.

53:42

So yeah, he had there were

53:44

people out there who were behind

53:46

him. So

53:48

it wasn't until May 31st, 2003, which again, five

53:53

years later, this is wild. Like

53:55

his bullshit started when we were

53:58

like being born. and

54:00

didn't start to come to a close

54:02

until we were like graduating high school.

54:04

Mm-hmm. Yuck. Yeah.

54:07

He, uh, his

54:09

was one of the longest man hunts in

54:11

FBI history. That's wild. It took years for

54:13

them to catch up with my guy too.

54:15

And it's not the same case.

54:17

Oh my god. I know. Fucking

54:20

bombs, man. They made love, probably.

54:22

They probably did. Not

54:24

that there's anything wrong with that. No. There's

54:27

a, there's someone for everyone. So

54:31

he was finally fucking

54:33

arrested by rookie police

54:35

officer JS Postel, Postel,

54:37

Postel, while rummaging through a

54:39

trash bin for food scraps at 4 a.m. behind

54:42

a rural save a lot grocery

54:44

store in Murphy, North Carolina. Oh,

54:46

how the mighty have fallen. Rudolph

54:49

was doing that, not the rookie cop. Can

54:51

you imagine if he had been found rooting

54:53

through a trash can by the raccoon

54:56

hunters? We

55:00

have been chasing you for years.

55:03

For fucking years, motherfucker. We

55:07

don't just go after these cute

55:09

little bandits. We're going after you,

55:11

motherfucker. Look

55:14

who I, well, well, well, look who's

55:16

in our honey spot. Well,

55:18

we normally shoot all our raccoons

55:21

hunting for food scraps at 4

55:23

a.m. Well, well, well. That's

55:27

canon now. Oh, we had his

55:29

eyes are like glowing in their

55:32

flashlights. He

55:35

has a little tiny black eye mask on. So

55:39

like four babies on his back. No,

55:42

not Rudolph. I would never allow him

55:44

to be that cute. I know he

55:47

hisses. Yes. So

55:50

Rudolph was unarmed and taken into custody

55:52

without incident. They probably stopped for Burger

55:54

King. You know, who else was unarmed?

55:56

His brother, Daniel. Ha

55:59

ha ha. I

56:01

don't know what's come over me. I

56:03

just hate these people so much. He

56:06

was unarmed and then rearmed. So

56:11

this was weird. At the time of his

56:13

arrest, he was clean shaven with dyed black

56:15

hair and like brand new tennis shoes. I

56:19

don't. I think, I don't know. Brand

56:21

new white new balances. Basically. Hadn't even

56:24

mowed the lawn in him yet. Hadn't

56:28

broken them in. He'd apparently

56:31

been camping for five years

56:33

in the Nantahala, Nantahala National

56:35

Forest. No. Living

56:38

off of acorns and salamanders

56:41

and whatever else he could pilfer from

56:43

trash cans and people's gardens. Wow. Salamanders.

56:47

I, that's a lot. Yeah. Three

56:50

days later, he pleaded not guilty at an

56:52

arraignment hearing two years later

56:54

on April 13th, 2005. So

56:57

literally when we were graduating high school. Yeah,

56:59

like almost to the month. He

57:02

accepted a plea bargain to avoid the death

57:04

penalty and pled guilty to all four bombings

57:07

and then quickly released an 11

57:09

page statement blaming the violence on

57:11

the legalization of abortion. Oh good.

57:14

He snuck in a quick manifesto before

57:16

we were just fucking done hearing from

57:18

this asshole. Catholic. All

57:20

right. He stated that his

57:23

actions were based on his anti-abortion and

57:25

anti-gay views adding quote, the fact that

57:27

I have entered an, entered

57:29

an agreement with the government is purely

57:32

a tactical choice on my part and

57:34

in no way legitimates the moral authority

57:36

of the government to judge this matter

57:38

or impute my guilt. Okay.

57:41

Bye. Yeah. As

57:44

part of his plea deal, he also disclosed where he hid

57:46

250 pounds of dynamite. Jesus

57:48

Christ. Like stashed it for

57:50

later. The

57:52

ATF recovered and disposed of that.

57:55

Good. July Rudolph was

57:57

sentenced to two life terms in

57:59

connection with the. Birmingham bombing. A

58:02

month later, Rudolph apologized to his victims and

58:04

their family for the 1996 bombing

58:06

of the Olympic Park while he appeared

58:08

in court for sentencing, but

58:10

he did not apologize for any other

58:13

attacks. Of course not. He

58:15

was then sentenced to serve a total four consecutive life

58:17

sentences in prison, plus 120 years in February of 2013

58:19

with the help of his brother.

58:26

No, he gave him a helping hand. He

58:30

reached out. Rudolph

58:34

published his autobiography. No,

58:36

nobody wants this. No,

58:39

I'm not even going

58:41

to say the title because he's such a piece of shit.

58:44

Also, a bunch of his other bullshit

58:46

like essays and stuff have been published

58:48

by the Army of God, which is

58:51

a Christian terrorist organization. Great. In

58:53

March of that year, 2013, the

58:55

US attorney's office in Birmingham stated

58:57

in court documents that it was

58:59

seizing Rudolph's book sales royalties to

59:01

pay back the million dollars he

59:03

owed in restitution. Correct. This is

59:05

the right move. He shouldn't make

59:08

a fucking penny off of

59:10

this shit. I think there's a law that

59:12

says you can't if you're incarcerated,

59:15

but you'd think it would be over.

59:17

But wait, there's more. In June of

59:19

2020, Rudolph filed

59:22

another 11 page handwritten appellate

59:24

motion. What is his obsession with

59:27

11 pages? I

59:29

don't know. I am this 11 page

59:32

handwritten appellate motion could have been an

59:34

email. Okay. Could

59:38

have been a text, bud. Could have been a

59:40

fistfight to vacate two

59:42

of his life sentences claiming they

59:44

violated the Constitution and were in

59:46

excess of the maximum allowed by

59:48

law. No, his motion

59:50

was denied in July of 2021. So

59:54

he's still in prison and

59:56

still writing 11 page documents.

59:58

Also like why bother? spending

1:00:00

the energy to vacate two

1:00:02

of your four life

1:00:04

sentences. For the principle,

1:00:07

because he's not going to fucking

1:00:09

do it. You're not going to

1:00:11

leave prison. He's an asshole contrarian.

1:00:13

Yeah, he just wants people to

1:00:15

listen to him. Living and dying

1:00:17

on like this hill of well,

1:00:20

well, actually, you know,

1:00:22

it's his it's his religious conviction. There

1:00:24

are so many similarities

1:00:26

in our cases. It's wild.

1:00:30

Oh, good. It's so soothing. I

1:00:32

think that technically there is psych

1:00:34

here because I'm drawing so many

1:00:36

parallels of like older

1:00:40

ish white men who feel like

1:00:42

they've been wronged by some kind of

1:00:45

system or have a

1:00:47

grievance with some kind of system. It's a

1:00:49

really boomer mentality. It is a very common

1:00:51

thread. I mean, even when we accidentally

1:00:54

twice covered the mad bomber, the like

1:00:56

I am not wild guy. That

1:00:59

was like his whole bullshit. Totally. He's trying to

1:01:01

make your, you know, because a bomb is like

1:01:03

a very public thing. Mm

1:01:06

hmm. You know, you're trying

1:01:08

to make a statement in

1:01:10

the way that you are

1:01:12

essentially executing fucking people. Mm

1:01:14

hmm. And so there's

1:01:16

there's definitely psychology connected to that, though

1:01:18

we didn't go into it. But like

1:01:20

it's fucking there, dude. It's got to

1:01:22

be. Yikes. Yeah. Also

1:01:24

like the fuck the

1:01:27

Unabomber. Yeah. He fit that. He

1:01:29

fit that, too. Mm hmm. Mm

1:01:31

hmm. Well, well

1:01:34

done. I'd never heard of that case.

1:01:37

I had only heard of

1:01:39

Richard Jewell, which definitely

1:01:41

watch that. It's very good. I'm gonna I'm gonna

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1:01:46

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1:01:48

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we're gonna dive right in on May 7 1972. Hazel

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Moody opened a package that was on

1:09:56

the kitchen table of her Atlanta home. Oh

1:09:59

god, the package. was a pipe

1:10:01

bomb that exploded. Tearing

1:10:03

up her hand, thigh and shoulder

1:10:05

and sending scrap metal into her

1:10:07

eye. Oh my God. She lived,

1:10:09

but she would require six surgeries

1:10:11

to deal with her injuries. What

1:10:15

she didn't know as she was exploding

1:10:19

was that the bomb had been built

1:10:21

by her husband, Walter Moody, who intended

1:10:24

it to go to an auto dealer

1:10:26

that had repossessed his car. How

1:10:28

dare you take my car? Here's

1:10:30

a pipe bomb. The fuck? Yep. Her

1:10:33

husband built it? The husband?

1:10:36

The husband. Jesus.

1:10:38

We're gonna talk about the husband. This

1:10:40

whole case is about the husband. Moody

1:10:43

would be arrested and go to

1:10:45

trial for this bomb. And

1:10:47

during that trial, Moody testified that a

1:10:49

man named Gene Wallace had secretly planted

1:10:51

the bomb in Moody's home in an

1:10:53

attempt to harm him. However,

1:10:56

there was no evidence of

1:10:58

Gene Wallace existing outside

1:11:00

of Walter Moody's imagination.

1:11:02

Don't fucking say. Yeah.

1:11:04

And while I wish

1:11:07

we had been able to find

1:11:09

in court record the actual excuse

1:11:13

that Gene Wallace would

1:11:16

have to address a pipe bomb to Moody,

1:11:21

that also

1:11:23

is supposed to go to an auto dealer

1:11:25

that Moody just happened to be mad at.

1:11:27

I don't know. I don't have that transcript,

1:11:29

but I'm sure it was real fucking good.

1:11:31

Solid. Yeah. Solid defense.

1:11:33

Air tight. Air tight. On

1:11:36

October 19th, 1972, he was found not guilty of

1:11:40

making the bomb because they didn't have enough

1:11:42

evidence to prove that he made it, although

1:11:45

he for surezies did. He just found it.

1:11:47

Right. But he would be found

1:11:49

guilty of possessing the bomb. He

1:11:52

was sentenced to five years in the Atlanta

1:11:54

federal penitentiary. Moody and his wife would

1:11:56

divorce shortly after his conviction, because it's got to be

1:11:58

hard for a marriage to. after

1:12:01

your husband quite literally blows you

1:12:03

up. I can't. Any

1:12:05

time you think you're having trouble in your marriage, just

1:12:08

remember Walter and Hazel Moody, and

1:12:10

it might not seem quite that bad.

1:12:12

Oh my God. Moody

1:12:14

would serve three of his five year sentence, and

1:12:17

once he was out, he made a total

1:12:19

turnaround, never touching explosive again. Special thanks. The

1:12:21

end. Wow, I love

1:12:24

how succinct your case has been. Yeah,

1:12:26

you guys have really tightened it up.

1:12:29

Just kidding. After being released

1:12:31

from prison, Moody became obsessed with overturning

1:12:33

his conviction. He'd

1:12:35

been wrong. There we go. There it is. He

1:12:39

was convinced that he'd been unfairly convicted and

1:12:42

was the victim of a giant conspiracy of

1:12:45

corrupt police judges and lawyers and the

1:12:47

legal system, which always cracks me up,

1:12:49

because like this old white guy is

1:12:51

not wrong that this happens. It just,

1:12:53

death wasn't happening to him. Yeah.

1:12:57

It's that, no. Sir,

1:13:00

your rage. Sir, your wife had her

1:13:02

hand blown off. Oh God. He

1:13:06

also felt that it was this conviction that

1:13:08

prevented him from becoming a lawyer, which apparently

1:13:10

he wanted to do. Oh.

1:13:13

He had attended law school in the past,

1:13:15

but he left without finishing, LOL. He

1:13:19

dropped out. Yep, but

1:13:21

it's because of him being wronged.

1:13:23

Yes. That he can't act. Now

1:13:26

I can never become a lawyer. Yeah, well you dropped

1:13:28

out of law school, but now I don't have the

1:13:30

option. You

1:13:33

took it away. It's not fair. Because

1:13:35

a felony conviction in the state of Georgia that

1:13:38

would prevent him from practicing law. Thank

1:13:40

God. Yeah. So that

1:13:42

was 1972. Now we're gonna skip

1:13:44

ahead a little bit to 1985. And even though

1:13:46

Moody had already served his prison sentence and

1:13:50

been out and free for like the better part of a

1:13:52

decade, he went in in 72. He

1:13:54

went in in 72. He only served three years.

1:13:56

He was out and around 1975. And

1:13:59

he's just... just stewing for fucking

1:14:02

10 years about this conviction.

1:14:04

Sticking to his original unsuccessful

1:14:07

defense, he

1:14:09

wants to file an appeal to

1:14:11

overturn his conviction. So he bribes

1:14:14

an acquaintance. She's

1:14:16

a woman named Julie Lynn West, and I'm

1:14:18

actually not even sure how they met. She

1:14:20

was considerably younger than him. She

1:14:23

lived in the area. I'm not sure how

1:14:25

they crossed paths. That's not clear to me, so don't ask.

1:14:29

That chemistry occurred. He

1:14:31

bribed her to give a perjured testimony

1:14:33

that substantiated the claim that Jean Wallace

1:14:35

did exist and had placed the pipe

1:14:38

bomb in Moody's home. To

1:14:40

blow up his wife, because he definitely didn't

1:14:42

blow her up himself. Yep, it wasn't me

1:14:44

when he caught me on the counter. And

1:14:47

this is 10 years later? Just about,

1:14:49

yep. Get the fuck over it, my

1:14:51

dude. So

1:14:53

Julie Lynn West was described as

1:14:55

a young, destitute, and woman who

1:14:57

was paralyzed from the waist down

1:14:59

since the age of 14. Oh.

1:15:03

She was using a wheelchair for mobility,

1:15:05

and I only bring these details up.

1:15:08

Well, I bring them up for a couple of reasons.

1:15:10

He very clearly targeted her

1:15:12

because she was vulnerable, but the court

1:15:14

also brought up that she was a

1:15:16

wheelchair user, and they weren't explicit as

1:15:19

to why this was like part

1:15:21

of testimony, but I believe it's because they

1:15:23

deemed it relevant to her inability to earn

1:15:25

money at the time, and she was therefore

1:15:27

more willing to perjure herself on behalf of

1:15:30

Moody because he was offering to pay her.

1:15:32

That makes perfect sense. Yeah, and

1:15:35

discrimination against disabilities wasn't even illegal

1:15:37

until 1973. So

1:15:40

in 1986, she would have

1:15:42

probably had severely curtailed options

1:15:44

to earn an income.

1:15:48

We're still recovering to this day from

1:15:51

ableist policies and

1:15:53

lack of access that prevent disabled people

1:15:56

from properly being able to earn a

1:15:58

livelihood. She was clearly

1:16:00

a victim of all of this. And

1:16:03

so when he offered her $100 a month,

1:16:09

Oh, for what? Your candy

1:16:12

budget? Right. To give a perjured

1:16:14

testimony about the 1972 bobbing, she

1:16:16

accepted. For how many months? It's

1:16:19

unclear how many months he was paying her and how

1:16:21

much he even paid her. We don't know. And

1:16:24

it's such a fucking insulting amount

1:16:26

and like a clear manipulation of

1:16:28

a low income disabled woman. This

1:16:30

guy's a fucking piece of shit.

1:16:32

Yeah. And there is not

1:16:34

an ism that this man doesn't inhabit

1:16:36

and we will fucking get to it.

1:16:38

Over the next year, Moody concocted a

1:16:41

story and like full blown script that

1:16:43

Lynn West memorized,

1:16:46

coaching her with the help of his new

1:16:49

girlfriend who would become his wife, Susan McBride.

1:16:51

And this bitch sucks.

1:16:53

Okay, women need to stay away from this

1:16:55

guy. I mean, she's complicit.

1:16:57

She made her fucking choices. Yeah.

1:17:00

She blows. Women can fucking

1:17:03

suck too and she's one of them. But

1:17:06

here is a recap of the story

1:17:08

that she like memorized according

1:17:12

to court documents. Quote,

1:17:14

in May of 1972, Lynn West, Julie Lynn

1:17:16

West and her

1:17:18

mother, Joanne Ekstrom traveled to Atlanta

1:17:21

from their Wisconsin home. She was living in Wisconsin

1:17:23

at the time. While staying at a

1:17:25

motel, West, who was a teenager at the time

1:17:28

and already paralyzed from the waist down, met

1:17:30

a man named Jean Wallace. Wallace

1:17:32

asked West for a date. And

1:17:34

after pleading with her mother, West

1:17:36

was allowed to go. So they're

1:17:38

painting this fake man to also

1:17:40

be like a creep predator

1:17:42

who's like try to date a teenage girl. And

1:17:45

her mom was like, sure, you can go. None

1:17:47

of this is real. None of this is real.

1:17:50

Wallace drove to Macon. I'm

1:17:54

not sure. Macon? Macon. He

1:17:57

proceeded to a house, retrieved a package.

1:17:59

from his car and place the package

1:18:01

inside the house. While driving away, he

1:18:03

exclaimed, I forgot he doesn't have a

1:18:05

phone, and doubled back to the house,

1:18:07

referencing he as like, Mulder

1:18:10

Moody. Must be a Mu-dy, yup. As

1:18:12

they pulled in front of the house, emergency vehicles

1:18:14

were already lining the street, and it looked as

1:18:16

though some sort of explosion or fire had occurred

1:18:18

inside of the house. So like on their date,

1:18:21

he's talking about how he

1:18:23

had done this whole thing,

1:18:26

like dropped this fucking package

1:18:29

off, and all the details

1:18:31

of that. Okay. When West

1:18:33

questioned Wallace about the package, he beat

1:18:35

her. He took her back to

1:18:37

her motel, and she never saw him again. However,

1:18:40

the memories of that day haunted her.

1:18:42

She had frightful dreams for years. Finally,

1:18:44

after 14 years, she could stand it

1:18:46

no longer. West, who lived in Atlanta

1:18:48

in 1986, decided to

1:18:50

go to the Macon Library to discover whether

1:18:52

anyone had been injured in the explosion. Aided

1:18:55

by helpful librarians, West and her mother

1:18:57

learned of the fate of Hazel Moody,

1:19:00

and eventually got in touch with Walter

1:19:02

Moody, who at last had someone to

1:19:04

corroborate his Jean Wallace defense. Huh.

1:19:07

So this is what she said. This is like her

1:19:10

testimony, essentially. Well, the helpful librarians.

1:19:12

Uh-huh, we'll get to the librarians.

1:19:14

Oh my God. Impressively, in addition

1:19:16

to the concocted story, Moody concocted

1:19:18

some theater in order to give

1:19:20

the story credibility. Oh, good. In

1:19:23

addition to helping her memorize

1:19:25

these details, he also instructed

1:19:28

Julie Lynn West to go to

1:19:30

the Macon County Library in Georgia

1:19:32

and conspicuously ask for assistance in

1:19:35

using the microfilm equipment. Microfiche.

1:19:37

Yeah, and for youngins, this is

1:19:39

how you'd find old newspaper articles

1:19:42

before the internet. He also

1:19:44

instructed West to pretend to have

1:19:46

lost a pen bearing her initials.

1:19:48

Oh God. West was to ask

1:19:50

the librarians about the pen and

1:19:53

make sure the librarians were apprised of

1:19:55

West's initials. I was there, I lost

1:19:58

my pen. Remember how I... I asked

1:20:00

you about my pen. Oh my

1:20:02

God. Ironclad tactic. So

1:20:05

stupid. There's no way this is gonna

1:20:07

fall apart. No, this is giving Transylvania

1:20:09

book heist. Yeah, a little bit. They

1:20:12

ran into a snag when Wes's mother

1:20:14

was not available to go to Macon.

1:20:16

So Susan Moody, Walter's wife, donned a

1:20:19

wig to impersonate Julie's

1:20:21

mom because Julie had said

1:20:23

in court, or like this had

1:20:25

been the plan that Julie's mom turned to the

1:20:27

library, so there'd be like all these people to

1:20:29

testify. Yeah, we did that. We saw her, we

1:20:31

did this, but it was Susan.

1:20:33

Susan put on a wig, just like the

1:20:35

Transylvania book heist, impersonated her mother and drove

1:20:38

her to the library to keep that part

1:20:40

of their story. Okay.

1:20:43

Satisfied that the script was memorized and

1:20:45

with the supporting background in place, Moody

1:20:48

filed his position to the court to

1:20:50

vacate, nullify, and reverse his 1972 conviction

1:20:53

due to the new evidence from

1:20:56

the falsified testimony. So they work

1:20:58

up this whole thing, they do

1:21:00

their little plan at the library,

1:21:02

then he's like, okay, we've laid

1:21:04

the groundwork, I'm gonna file this

1:21:07

petition so that when

1:21:09

you go testify in court, all

1:21:12

of this would have actually happened. So

1:21:15

you can feel good about, you know. Lying.

1:21:18

Yeah. Purging ourselves. Purging.

1:21:21

Literally purging. Purgering.

1:21:23

I know, but I like to say purging. The

1:21:27

purging. Moody had also been

1:21:29

coaching Lin West's mother, Joanne Ekstrom, since

1:21:31

the late 80s. She

1:21:33

had also agreed to give false testimony confirming

1:21:35

the concocted story in exchange for money.

1:21:37

It's unclear how much she was paid,

1:21:39

but there is a funny detail about this

1:21:42

in a second here. In addition to

1:21:45

the paid testimony of Lin West and

1:21:47

Ekstrom, Moody also called on the Macon

1:21:49

librarians who might not remember every patron,

1:21:51

but did remember the young paraplegic girl

1:21:54

who was like freaking out about leaving

1:21:56

her personalized pen behind. Oh my God.

1:21:58

These are like details that kind of

1:22:01

stick with you. Where can you order

1:22:03

just one personalized pen? That's a good

1:22:05

question. And they didn't have the internet.

1:22:08

So Sears, Roebuck, I

1:22:11

don't know. Some kind of catalog. You

1:22:13

could get a whole house in that

1:22:15

catalog. Probably get one pen. True. According

1:22:17

to the court, Lynn West gave her

1:22:19

testimony as instructed, but Ekstrom had trouble

1:22:21

remembering her lines. Moody

1:22:24

apparently still paid her

1:22:26

on the courthouse steps.

1:22:29

She receives a real fucking bold, but

1:22:33

was angry about her crisp $100 bill. Yeah,

1:22:37

this is where that came from, sweetheart. But

1:22:41

was angry at her poor performance, telling her

1:22:43

that she'd lost the case for him. Whether

1:22:46

it was her fault or not, the courts would

1:22:48

indeed deny the petition in February of 1988. And

1:22:51

Moody would exhaust his appeal process without

1:22:53

success by 1990. You

1:22:55

can say, kiss that $100 a month, stipend goodbye. Yeah.

1:23:01

What he didn't see coming was how

1:23:03

this would open up a whole new

1:23:05

investigation into his antics. Because

1:23:07

everybody was like, you're lying.

1:23:11

And now this is a perjury case. What

1:23:14

the fuck? So in February of

1:23:16

1990, federal investigators began

1:23:18

investigating Moody's connection with Lynn

1:23:21

West and Ekstrom, despite

1:23:23

his instructions to never admit to the

1:23:25

lies and telling them how to conceal

1:23:28

their perjury. Lynn West and Ekstrom, or

1:23:30

Erkstrom, I'm sorry. For some reason,

1:23:32

this name is so hard for me to pronounce, eventually

1:23:35

agreed to cooperate with federal authorities. Because

1:23:37

they knew that there was so much

1:23:39

more on the line than their $100

1:23:41

a month if they don't fucking turn

1:23:43

on this guy. Yeah. They strapped up

1:23:45

in spy gear and got together with

1:23:47

Moody, catching him on hidden camera, instructing

1:23:49

Lynn West on sticking to her story

1:23:51

and obstructing the investigation. Good for them.

1:23:53

West and Ekstrom also testified at trial

1:23:55

that the entire Jean Wallace story was

1:23:57

fabricated and paid for, plus hospital reference.

1:24:00

revealed that Julie Lynn West had spent the

1:24:02

entire month of May 1972 in a Wisconsin

1:24:06

hospital and then therefore couldn't have

1:24:08

been on a date with Jean

1:24:10

Wallace in Atlanta when they claimed

1:24:12

that that happened. So

1:24:15

you guys... So...

1:24:22

Yeah, he would later be

1:24:24

convicted on federal charges for procuring false testimony

1:24:26

in December of 1990 but he did plenty

1:24:28

of damage in 1989 leading up to

1:24:32

this conviction that we will go over

1:24:34

now. With his perjured petition to reverse

1:24:36

his conviction denied over and

1:24:38

over and over again and an ongoing

1:24:41

federal perjury investigation, Moody finally took responsibility

1:24:43

for his behavior, did his time and

1:24:45

moved on with his life. Special thanks!

1:24:48

Oh my god. Just

1:24:50

kidding. Okay! Gotcha

1:24:53

twice! Jesus Christ, I hate this man.

1:24:56

This guy... Oh, oh, we

1:24:58

haven't even fucking scratched the surface. Oh good. Moody

1:25:01

didn't do that. He prepared to go

1:25:03

to war with the 11th Circuit

1:25:06

Court. Oh! That always

1:25:08

ends well. Yeah,

1:25:11

this is foolproof like everything else he's

1:25:13

ever fucking done. On August

1:25:15

21st 1989, or

1:25:18

well leading up to that, he

1:25:20

constructed and sent a tear

1:25:22

gas bomb to the NAACP

1:25:24

regional office in Atlanta. Oh

1:25:27

my... You may be wondering

1:25:29

why and we'll get to it. It

1:25:32

exploded engulfing the employees in

1:25:34

choking gas. Ah! It

1:25:36

was accompanied by a typed death

1:25:38

threat note and a false Atlanta-based

1:25:40

return address. Nobody was killed

1:25:43

in this gas bomb situation but it

1:25:45

was obviously very terrifying.

1:25:49

People were injured. This is not fucking

1:25:51

okay by any stretch of the imagination.

1:25:54

I'm just glad nobody got killed in

1:25:56

this situation. On the same day of

1:25:58

this explosion, Moody mailed out his... quote,

1:26:00

declaration of war to the 11th Circuit

1:26:03

Court and television stations across

1:26:06

the country. The

1:26:08

declaration letter accused the 11th

1:26:10

Circuit of deliberate misconduct and

1:26:12

rank bias and complained

1:26:14

about the circuit court's callous

1:26:16

disregard for justice. It

1:26:19

further threatened poison gas attacks

1:26:22

against densely populated cities. Oh,

1:26:24

good. So

1:26:26

why, if he was declaring war on the 11th

1:26:28

Circuit Court, would he send the gas bomb to

1:26:30

the NAACP? Sounds

1:26:32

like a racist motivation, perhaps?

1:26:35

Sure was. Weird.

1:26:37

It turns out the attack on the

1:26:39

NAACP office was intended as a red

1:26:41

herring, a super racist one, and that

1:26:44

this gas bomb was intended as a

1:26:46

test to see if the bombs could

1:26:48

successfully be sent through the mail. So

1:26:51

he targeted a completely unrelated

1:26:53

office, an NAACP office staffed

1:26:55

with prominent black civil rights

1:26:57

activists and lawyers. Yeah, totally

1:27:00

random target. As his

1:27:02

testing ground. That's so

1:27:04

fucking gross. It's sick and he

1:27:06

wouldn't stop there. So

1:27:09

he spent the next few months

1:27:11

over the summer of 1989 acquiring

1:27:13

the materials he needed to build

1:27:15

more bombs. During

1:27:17

this time, Moody sealed off the front bedroom in

1:27:19

the residence he shared with Susan to

1:27:21

use as his lab for his creepy

1:27:23

little project. This is like the Moody

1:27:26

family equivalent of sleeping in separate bedrooms.

1:27:29

He's married to his bombs. Susan

1:27:31

was still ride or die for this

1:27:33

racist fuck and he would send her

1:27:35

on errands with instructions on what to

1:27:37

buy and she would either purchase or

1:27:39

shoplift the items. These

1:27:42

items included mailing labels,

1:27:44

stamps, cardboard boxes, aluminum

1:27:46

pie pans, goose

1:27:49

pattern paper towels, evil but

1:27:51

make it cute, goose pattern

1:27:53

paper towels, always the

1:27:55

same paper towels. They were for packaging

1:27:58

and they had a pattern. of

1:28:01

like little cartoon, like those

1:28:03

little white geese with like the blue bow.

1:28:05

Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

1:28:07

Very 80s, 90s, I think we can even

1:28:09

add those in our house. They're like quilted.

1:28:12

Yeah. Black latex

1:28:14

paint, nails, rubber bands.

1:28:17

All of these items were common elements in

1:28:20

all of the bombs that he constructed. I've

1:28:23

had shopping lists that are pretty close to that.

1:28:25

I mean, have you?

1:28:28

Nails, rubber bands. Rubber bands, black

1:28:30

latex paint. The first half,

1:28:32

sure. The pie pans. Nails.

1:28:35

You lost me at black latex paint. That's

1:28:37

where my list ends. It's the only thing

1:28:39

I have. I've never baked

1:28:41

a pie. You know, you're right. Ugh. Also

1:28:45

included on the shopping list were things like

1:28:47

a shower cap, a raincoat, and gloves. And

1:28:49

Moody would use these to prevent any DNA

1:28:52

or trace evidence when he was in his

1:28:54

little workshop. The

1:28:56

four bombs that Moody was constructing were finished

1:28:58

in early December of 1989. Once

1:29:02

finished, Moody opened up the bedroom and

1:29:04

thoroughly cleaned and remodeled it in an

1:29:06

attempt to erase evidence of bomb making.

1:29:08

Whoa. Uh-huh. According to

1:29:10

Susan, after the FBI began investigating

1:29:13

Moody's involvement, he would remark to

1:29:15

her, quote, if they have any

1:29:17

evidence, it would be DNA. This

1:29:19

would apparently be a very successful

1:29:21

cover-up attempt, as forensics investigators would

1:29:23

find little to no evidence in

1:29:25

his workshop, his former workshop. Even

1:29:28

though they lifted up and vacuumed under the

1:29:30

new flooring to collect whatever was in there,

1:29:33

they still didn't find anything solid

1:29:35

in his home. That's intense. But

1:29:38

whatever lights a fire under

1:29:40

your ass for a remodel, honestly. I

1:29:42

mean, yeah. And what's

1:29:45

wild is for how meticulous he

1:29:47

was about this element of his

1:29:50

crimes. He was just

1:29:52

so deeply unserious about

1:29:54

the Jean West shit. Like,

1:29:58

how are we going from...

1:30:00

the loosest, most obviously perjured

1:30:03

fucking defense to

1:30:07

suddenly you're one of the most

1:30:09

like meticulous crime scene cleaners that

1:30:12

the world has ever fucking seen.

1:30:14

Also, there is a forensic files

1:30:16

episode about this, of course, so get out there,

1:30:18

babe. So

1:30:22

in mid, he finishes up in early, with

1:30:24

these bombs in early December. By mid December,

1:30:26

the four pipe bombs are mailed out. On

1:30:28

December 16th, 1989, one

1:30:30

of those bombs was delivered to the

1:30:32

Mountain Brook, Alabama home of Judge Robert

1:30:35

Smith Vance, a United States circuit judge

1:30:37

of the US Court of Appeals for

1:30:39

the Fifth Circuit, but later the US

1:30:42

Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit.

1:30:45

Okay. The return address was

1:30:47

that of a judicial colleague in

1:30:49

Noonan, Georgia. It's just a fake

1:30:51

return address. Judge Vance opened

1:30:53

it in his kitchen after a morning of

1:30:55

yard work in errands. When opened,

1:30:58

the bomb inside detonated and Judge Vance

1:31:00

was killed and his wife, Helen Vance

1:31:02

was seriously injured, but she survived. Moody's

1:31:05

killing of Vance was motivated by the court's refusal

1:31:07

to expunge Moody's conviction for the 1972 explosion in

1:31:10

his home. Despite

1:31:12

the fact that Judge

1:31:14

Vance was neither on the panel

1:31:17

that made that decision, nor

1:31:19

was he responsible for that decision at all.

1:31:21

He just happened to be serving on the

1:31:23

Eleventh Circuit Court, but

1:31:26

that can encompass a whole lot of fucking

1:31:28

people that have fuck all to do with

1:31:30

his case. It just makes

1:31:32

me so fucking mad, the senselessness. He didn't

1:31:34

care who he killed. No, he

1:31:36

didn't give a single fuck. Wow. Then

1:31:39

on December 18th of 1989, a

1:31:42

second bomb was delivered to black

1:31:44

civil rights attorney Robert Robinson's law

1:31:46

office in Savannah, Georgia. The

1:31:49

package held a similar bomb, killing Robinson when

1:31:51

he opened it. Oh. It

1:31:53

had a false return address from Warner

1:31:55

Robins, Georgia. And this

1:31:57

is once again, a completely unrelated.

1:32:00

target fueled by his racism and wanting

1:32:02

to leave red herrings just like at

1:32:04

the NAACP office. It's just indiscriminate. These

1:32:07

are random at this point. Might as

1:32:09

well. They might as well be

1:32:11

random but he certainly was

1:32:13

targeting black people, like prominent

1:32:16

black people in the legal

1:32:18

system. Was Judge Vance

1:32:20

black? No, Judge Vance was not,

1:32:23

but he was including these targets

1:32:25

so that this would look racially

1:32:29

motivated on top of how he

1:32:31

was targeting members of the 11th

1:32:33

Circuit Court. Oh, as long as

1:32:36

it looks racially motivated. Yeah, yeah,

1:32:39

which we'll get to that. So

1:32:41

December 18th, 1989,

1:32:43

a third bomb is received at the

1:32:45

courthouse that he was tried in in

1:32:47

Atlanta, Georgia at the 11th Circuit Court

1:32:49

of Appeals. A court security

1:32:51

officer using an x-ray machine discovered the bomb.

1:32:54

This is super common for mail coming into

1:32:56

a court to go through x-ray. They called

1:32:58

in bomb squad technicians and they were able

1:33:00

to disarm it before detonation and also had

1:33:03

a false return address in Atlanta, Georgia.

1:33:06

And then December 19th, 1989, a fourth

1:33:10

bomb was delivered to another

1:33:12

NAACP office, but this time

1:33:14

in Jacksonville, Florida. And

1:33:17

will, will, I'm sorry, I have

1:33:19

a hard time pronouncing this name as well,

1:33:22

but I'm trying my best. Either Willie or

1:33:24

Will I, Dennis, was running late to a

1:33:26

meeting so she did not open it before

1:33:28

the end of the day, but when she

1:33:30

had heard about the explosion and killing of

1:33:32

Robert Robinson, she called the police about this

1:33:35

package that she had received, allowing

1:33:37

for the discovery and disarmament of the

1:33:39

bomb without injury. Thank God. It also

1:33:41

had a false return address from Warner

1:33:44

Robins, Georgia. So there's patterns in these

1:33:46

return addresses. All

1:33:48

four bombs were of similar construction. One

1:33:51

of the bombs and caps were screwed on

1:33:53

to either end, but the other three had

1:33:55

square end plates that had been welded into

1:33:57

place. An expert witness

1:33:59

testing. that the welding or screwing of the

1:34:01

end plates was done with the intention of

1:34:03

creating more pressure or a more

1:34:05

deadly bomb. So the first one

1:34:08

that he sent out that was screwed on,

1:34:10

he probably was like, I can fucking do better than that.

1:34:13

And so he upped his game and went to welding. This

1:34:16

was not uncommon for pipe bombs to

1:34:18

explode simply by blowing off their end

1:34:20

caps. So just also making sure that

1:34:23

the bomb would get to its destination

1:34:25

with a more secure weld before

1:34:27

exploding like in the mail. By

1:34:30

welding the ends on, he was ensuring that the pressure

1:34:33

would build up enough for the pipe itself to explode.

1:34:36

They were constructed of steel pipe,

1:34:38

five and a half inches long,

1:34:40

five inches in diameter, each containing

1:34:42

the same brand of smokeless gunpowder.

1:34:45

There it is. Yep, the brand was Hercules

1:34:47

Red Dot, which isn't really relevant to this

1:34:49

story, except to suggest that it was a

1:34:51

single bomb maker using the same brand every

1:34:53

time. Nails had been

1:34:56

secured to the outside of the pipe

1:34:58

with rubber bands to serve as projectiles

1:35:00

upon detonation. So just

1:35:02

loose nails attached to it with

1:35:04

rubber bands. They fucking fly everywhere. Oh my God.

1:35:08

80 finishing nails were determined to have been

1:35:10

wrapped around a Judge Vance's bomb. The

1:35:12

others had similar numbers. Yeah,

1:35:16

that's fucking terrifying. It's

1:35:18

all fucking terrifying. Aren't finishing nails like

1:35:20

kind of long too? Yeah, that

1:35:23

shit's sharp. Each was

1:35:25

designed to explode when the lid of the box

1:35:27

it was in was opened by way of a

1:35:30

string attached to a detonator device that would be

1:35:32

pulled when the lid of the box was lifted.

1:35:35

All four were placed in reinforced

1:35:37

cardboard boxes that had been painted

1:35:40

inside with black latex paint and

1:35:42

tended to obscure or obliterate potential

1:35:44

trace evidence such as fingerprints, hair

1:35:47

and fibers, and DNA. Whoa. Yeah.

1:35:49

I think I've seen this episode of Forensic

1:35:51

Files. You probably have. There's photos on the

1:35:53

drive that are like screen grabs from that

1:35:56

episode. Three of the bombs had

1:35:58

typed notes with death threats. The bomb sent to

1:36:00

the federal court did not include a note. As

1:36:03

well as being constructed in a similar manner, all

1:36:05

were mailed in a similar manner. All

1:36:07

were delivered in packages wrapped in brown paper and tied

1:36:09

with string. These are a few of my favorite things.

1:36:12

Though I never saw it explicitly stated

1:36:15

that Moody deliberately sent out packages near

1:36:17

the holidays because this all happened mid-December.

1:36:20

And that would be a time where receiving

1:36:22

an unexpected package would be met with way

1:36:24

less scrutiny. But like, delivered

1:36:27

or not, the timing probably helped his

1:36:29

cause because people... There's

1:36:31

help in it. Yeah, especially

1:36:33

sending a package near Christmas time to

1:36:35

somebody's home. I

1:36:37

would open it! Are you kidding

1:36:39

me? I love getting packages in the mail. It'd

1:36:42

be so easy to take me out with

1:36:45

this kind of shit. I would die excited.

1:36:47

I would too. Maybe

1:36:50

it's another taxidermy tequila jar. Oh

1:36:53

my god. What did

1:36:55

you name her? Denise? Clarice? Oh

1:36:57

my god. Luam? Misty.

1:37:00

Misty. I was not even

1:37:02

in the same fucking ballpark then. Luam.

1:37:05

Luam. Countess. Countess.

1:37:08

All of the packages used the same tape. They were

1:37:10

all posted with the same type of stamps. They were

1:37:12

all addressed with the same type of red and white

1:37:14

mailing labels. The mailing labels all

1:37:16

appeared to have been typed on the same typewriter.

1:37:20

And a former girlfriend would testify that

1:37:22

Moody owned a manual typewriter on which

1:37:24

the letter A would quote

1:37:26

unquote jump. Which made

1:37:28

the A note very unique

1:37:31

or identifiable. It would be

1:37:33

partially raised. All

1:37:36

had been packed with paper towels that had the

1:37:38

goose pattern on it. The fucking geese. These

1:37:42

similarities and more allowed forensics investigators

1:37:45

to conclude that all of these bombs

1:37:47

had been constructed, packaged, and mailed by

1:37:49

the same person or persons. In

1:37:52

the days that followed the killings of

1:37:54

Judge Vance and Robert Robinson, every judge

1:37:56

on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals

1:37:58

received typed letters and which the sender

1:38:00

took credit for the bombings and

1:38:02

threatened the recipients with assassination.

1:38:05

Oh. Yeah, delightful. Quote,

1:38:08

because the federal courts

1:38:10

calloused disregard, which he

1:38:13

spelled calloused, C-A-L-L-O-U-S-E-D, fuck

1:38:15

off, disregard for the admin.

1:38:17

That's why you spell calloused. Yeah, but

1:38:19

that's, he's not using that word. He

1:38:22

meant callous. Like how could you be

1:38:24

so callous? Oh, okay. Calloused

1:38:27

would be like, don't look at my feet,

1:38:29

they're so calloused. They're

1:38:32

nasty. Yeah. And courts

1:38:34

calloused disregard for the administration of

1:38:36

justice in the name of an

1:38:38

organization known as Americans for a

1:38:41

Competent Federal Judicial System. Oh,

1:38:43

so legit. Yeah. Similar

1:38:46

death threat letters were received at the Atlanta

1:38:48

and Jacksonville offices of the NAACP. A

1:38:51

separate typed death threat letter addressed

1:38:54

to news anchor woman Brenda Wood

1:38:56

was received at the WAGA television

1:38:58

station in Atlanta. The

1:39:00

death threat letters were all signed 010187 and

1:39:02

specified that this number was a secret code

1:39:08

not to be disclosed to the public.

1:39:10

Okay. I have no follow up on

1:39:12

that secret code. I don't think it was ever

1:39:14

applied to anything. This

1:39:17

person is clearly un-fucking

1:39:19

hinged and unhinged racist lunatic

1:39:22

and I have no sympathy

1:39:24

for him. What the fuck so

1:39:26

ever. All the

1:39:28

letters were postmarked from Atlanta with the

1:39:30

same type of stamp. The letter reads

1:39:33

and trigger warning. This is

1:39:35

so fucking racist. Quote, protecting

1:39:38

the innocent warrants a higher

1:39:40

court priority than granting the

1:39:43

blacks demand for white teachers

1:39:45

for their children. The

1:39:48

message Americans for a competent federal

1:39:50

judicial system has for the judges

1:39:52

is simple. If you

1:39:54

want to live, you shall make protecting

1:39:56

the civil rights of the innocent your

1:39:59

highest obligation. and you shall fulfill that

1:40:01

obligation." I love how people use like,

1:40:04

shall to sound really fucking legit.

1:40:06

And you just sound like a fucking

1:40:09

moron. Grow up. Grow up.

1:40:11

The message Americans for a competent

1:40:14

judicial system has for attorneys and

1:40:16

the black leadership is also simple.

1:40:19

If you want to live, you

1:40:21

shall take the action required to

1:40:23

prevent black men from raping white

1:40:25

women. Oh my God. Yup.

1:40:29

I also like how the innocent just

1:40:31

means white. Yes. Absolutely.

1:40:34

That's what he's fucking saying. Yeah. Prioritize

1:40:37

my privilege needs and

1:40:40

like, okay, Moody. Yeah. Black

1:40:42

folks are the cause of all

1:40:44

of your problems, you know, not

1:40:46

blowing up your wife and the

1:40:48

subsequent consequences of all of your

1:40:51

own actions. And then you're dropping

1:40:53

out of school yourself. Dropping

1:40:56

out of law school yourself, purging yourself

1:40:58

to try and overturn an appeal. And

1:41:00

when that didn't work, you bombed a

1:41:02

bunch of fucking people and killed two

1:41:04

more people. Yeah. Talk about innocence. Fuck

1:41:07

off. Yeah. I,

1:41:10

it's sick. This person is

1:41:12

the worst. I don't

1:41:15

even like have a word for it. The

1:41:17

FBI investigation into the string of bombings

1:41:19

was extensive. Quote, with help

1:41:21

from US postal inspectors, we'd gathered the remnants

1:41:23

of the bombs and packages for our lab

1:41:26

to analyze, learned the path the

1:41:28

packages had taken through the postal system

1:41:30

and assembled a long list of suspects.

1:41:33

They reviewed over a million documents

1:41:35

that had been filed with the

1:41:37

11th circuit court, hoping to find

1:41:40

a connection because this court

1:41:42

was being targeted, like, and

1:41:44

named in all of these threat letters. So

1:41:47

they're like, okay, I guess we got to pour over

1:41:50

fucking everything that's been filed there in the last

1:41:52

X amount of years. Rule

1:41:54

everyone out. Rule everyone out.

1:41:56

I mean, I can't even imagine taking on

1:41:58

that kind of fucking... Investigation

1:42:00

that's no the paralegals.

1:42:03

Oh god Amazingly, they did

1:42:06

find something talk about a fucking needle in

1:42:08

a haystack dude. Listen to this They

1:42:10

found a document written by a secondhand

1:42:12

junk dealer and part-time preacher. I love

1:42:14

this person I don't even fucking I

1:42:16

don't know anything about him, but holy

1:42:18

shit. I want that on my tombstone

1:42:22

About a lawsuit that he had lost it

1:42:25

would later turn out that That

1:42:27

this guy so the secondhand junk dealer part-time

1:42:29

preacher his name is Robert Wayne O'Farrell. Of

1:42:31

course he was There's

1:42:34

nothing else he could have been named this literally

1:42:37

could not it would later

1:42:39

turn out that O'Farrell's wife had

1:42:41

sold the Their typewriter that they

1:42:44

owned with its very distinct

1:42:47

defective a key To

1:42:50

Susan Moody Walter Moody's wife.

1:42:52

Oh So that's

1:42:54

their first lead what yeah,

1:42:56

so yeah that what was

1:42:59

the filing exactly So

1:43:02

they found a file that had

1:43:04

a document written by Robert Wayne

1:43:06

O'Farrell on this janky typewriter with

1:43:08

the fucked up A key. Yeah

1:43:10

filed with as part of

1:43:12

a lawsuit that he was in that he lost So

1:43:15

he had gone to the 11th Circuit Court

1:43:17

to try and get this appealed So they

1:43:19

just recognized the a key on these documents.

1:43:22

Whoa 11 million Documents

1:43:25

they flagged that. Oh my god, that

1:43:28

is so then they contacted him and

1:43:30

they're like, where's this typewriter? Yup, and

1:43:32

then O'Farrell's wife was like, oh we sold it. We

1:43:35

sold it to a woman named Susan Moody and they

1:43:37

were like the fuck Oh

1:43:39

my god Yeah, that

1:43:42

would be so satisfying to piece this

1:43:44

together I know especially for whatever fucking

1:43:46

like underpaid lackeys They had pouring over

1:43:49

11 million fucking or oh, sorry not

1:43:51

11 million over a million documents. Yeah,

1:43:53

I keep getting a 11

1:43:57

circuit court numbers are hard. I have

1:43:59

a lot of mental problems. It could have

1:44:01

been 11 million. Who knows? 11

1:44:03

million is over a million, so. Yeah. Either

1:44:05

way, that's fucking wild. That's

1:44:08

cool. So this led them toward

1:44:10

Walter Moody, and though it's not

1:44:12

enough to go after

1:44:14

him, just on that alone.

1:44:17

Surveil that motherfucker. Uh-huh,

1:44:19

it was enough to look at him. So then

1:44:21

they look at him and they're like, oh shit,

1:44:23

1972 pipe bomb. Oops.

1:44:29

An ATF expert was contacted by

1:44:31

a colleague who had helped diffuse

1:44:33

one of the bombs in the

1:44:35

1989 string

1:44:37

of bombings. He reached out to someone

1:44:39

who worked on the 1972 case of

1:44:42

the pipe bomb because he thought the design resembled the

1:44:44

one that he had seen 17 years prior.

1:44:47

Oh, how do you remember that? I

1:44:50

mean, you never forget a bomb. I

1:44:52

guess. He then went

1:44:54

through his old cases and found his files on

1:44:56

the explosion that had injured Hazel Moody and was

1:44:58

like, I think this is our fucking guy. So

1:45:01

he took that to the feds. The

1:45:03

police then got a warrant. They

1:45:05

searched Moody's apartment thoroughly, even pulling

1:45:07

up the floorboards of the renovated

1:45:09

bedroom. They found nothing. But they

1:45:12

did find a variation of a

1:45:14

pipe bomb in a previous residence

1:45:16

that had been left behind. What?

1:45:20

Yeah. Uh-huh.

1:45:22

Like, hidden. Oh my god.

1:45:24

The FBI believed this to be a transition device between

1:45:26

the 1972 and 1989 bombings. So

1:45:30

he was practicing while he was living

1:45:32

there. And he left something behind

1:45:34

and tucked away. And it just

1:45:36

hadn't been discovered. And when they had

1:45:39

a warrant to go in and look for

1:45:41

it, knowing he had completely remodeled his

1:45:43

current home, they were just super fucking thorough to

1:45:45

be like, well, if he did that this time,

1:45:48

he could have hidden shit last time. And

1:45:50

they found a bomb that wasn't active,

1:45:55

but like a practice. When we moved

1:45:57

into my current house, we found

1:45:59

out. I found a, this isn't a

1:46:01

bomb. And this house used to be

1:46:03

a rental, so people just like fucked

1:46:05

around in it all the time. It

1:46:08

was a can of WD-40 with like a

1:46:10

lighter taped to the end of it. Yeah,

1:46:12

that's a flamethrower. Yeah.

1:46:15

What? It's kind of like a bomb. But people have fun.

1:46:18

Yeah. I mean. 4th of

1:46:20

July. It looked really fishy. It was like

1:46:22

all rusty. It was in like a crawl

1:46:24

space. Fireworks are expensive. They really are, especially

1:46:26

for college kids. So he

1:46:29

gets arrested, Doi, and goes to trial.

1:46:33

But like, I have to give

1:46:36

props where props are due. This

1:46:38

investigation, when you say it was

1:46:40

thorough, they fucking mean

1:46:42

it. Like finding these little

1:46:44

connecting details to lead to their

1:46:47

perp is like

1:46:49

pretty impressive. I'm

1:46:54

rarely impressed by any kind of

1:46:56

police. A criminal justice agency. Well,

1:47:00

this was the feds that were like

1:47:02

pouring over these documents. I don't think

1:47:04

just like any police force was fucking

1:47:07

investing these kinds of resources to like

1:47:09

really diligently review this shit. Like a

1:47:12

really good task force can do really

1:47:14

fucking amazing work.

1:47:16

Good work. Yeah. Yeah.

1:47:19

If only we could allocate budgets for like things that we

1:47:21

actually fucking need. But anyway, Susan

1:47:23

Moody would testify at her

1:47:25

husband's trial for the prosecution because

1:47:27

she was so complicit in

1:47:29

so much shit that

1:47:31

even though they were married, it was like she would

1:47:34

be facing her own separate charges. And

1:47:36

so she agreed to testify as part of

1:47:38

an immunity agreement. So she testified and walked

1:47:40

away with no consequences

1:47:43

whatsoever for helping her husband

1:47:45

procure the materials to build

1:47:47

the bombs that killed two

1:47:49

fucking people and injured many,

1:47:52

many more. That's fucked. I know, it's bullshit.

1:47:54

But at least it's hot this guy. But

1:47:56

at least it caught this guy, but I

1:47:58

just, it's just like falling. Okay, I guess

1:48:01

that's the trade we make. Moody

1:48:03

was his only witness in his federal

1:48:05

trial. Nobody else was testifying in his

1:48:08

defense. They

1:48:13

couldn't get Gene Wallace. No, oh

1:48:15

yeah, they couldn't find him. Gene

1:48:18

West, whatever the fuck his name was, I don't

1:48:20

even fucking know. Moody reviewed and contested his 1972

1:48:22

conviction, again, maintaining,

1:48:24

oh it was Gene Wallace, maintaining that

1:48:26

Gene Wallace had placed the bomb at

1:48:28

his home, but in the same breath,

1:48:30

Moody also confessed that his attempt to

1:48:32

overturn his conviction was based on falsified

1:48:34

evidence. But Gene is real,

1:48:37

I swear, he's real. That part is true. That

1:48:39

part's true, the rest of it wasn't true. But Gene's

1:48:42

real and he put it in. It's like in Catfish.

1:48:44

The only thing I lied about was my picture. Right,

1:48:47

exactly, everything else was so true.

1:48:49

I've never loved anyone more, yeah.

1:48:52

Moody said he had never heard of

1:48:54

Judge Vance or Robert Robinson, two people

1:48:56

he fucking murdered, and tried

1:48:58

to blame his former attorney, Michael Ford,

1:49:00

who had at one point been Mr.

1:49:03

Robinson's law partners. Like

1:49:05

they did have a connection, whether

1:49:07

or not Moody was aware of that, but he

1:49:09

didn't know who these fucking people were. So

1:49:12

he claimed that his previous attorney, Ford,

1:49:14

had admitted to his own involvement in

1:49:16

the mail bombings. So. He

1:49:19

told me privately. Right, so he

1:49:21

was called to testify and he

1:49:23

was like, no, I never said

1:49:25

that. I

1:49:27

did not do that. He

1:49:29

denied everything. You're my own partner. Yeah, and

1:49:31

they were like, yeah, we believe you.

1:49:34

You can go. Get

1:49:36

out of here. Moody said that he did not arrive

1:49:38

in the Atlanta area until 10.30 p.m. on December 16th,

1:49:40

1989. So

1:49:42

he couldn't have mailed the bombs that had the Atlanta

1:49:45

posting, post address or whatever.

1:49:48

Moody then blamed the KKK

1:49:50

for the other bombings. Well,

1:49:53

they were racially motivated. It couldn't have been him.

1:49:56

Despite the fact that it had already come

1:49:59

out in. that Moody

1:50:01

at times masqueraded as a lawyer

1:50:03

and that he himself clearly hated

1:50:06

black people partly because he thought

1:50:08

they received preferential treatment by the

1:50:10

courts. The fuck? Right?

1:50:13

I literally wrote fucking what? On

1:50:16

what planet do people of color

1:50:19

get preferential treatment by the courts?

1:50:21

Okay. What the fuck? But the

1:50:23

prosecution said he killed Robinson and

1:50:26

targeted the NAACP chiefly to make

1:50:28

investigators think the crimes against the

1:50:30

11th Circuit Court were racially motivated.

1:50:34

You got to love a racist thinking he

1:50:36

can throw folks off the trail by being

1:50:38

racist. Being a racist, yeah. I

1:50:41

can't. Moody would

1:50:44

be convicted and sentenced to seven

1:50:46

life terms plus 400 years for

1:50:48

the federal charges and

1:50:50

sentenced to death by electric chair.

1:50:53

By the time he actually got executed,

1:50:56

it was via lethal injection because they

1:50:58

stopped using the electric chair. And he

1:51:00

got that sentence for the murder of

1:51:02

Judge Vance. Oh my God. Moody

1:51:05

would be put to death by lethal injection in

1:51:07

Alabama State Prison on April 19th, 2018. So

1:51:12

not that long ago. Okay. His

1:51:14

prison photo is so gross looking.

1:51:16

Yeah, it's foul. He looks like

1:51:19

he's made out of old butter.

1:51:21

He looks like he's made out of cold

1:51:23

cuts, like bologna meat. Oh yeah. And

1:51:26

like bad turkey. Thin turkey.

1:51:28

Thin turkey. It's so gross.

1:51:31

I hate this man. At

1:51:34

83 years old, Moody was the oldest person to

1:51:36

be put to death since the Supreme Court reinstated

1:51:38

the death penalty in 1976. For

1:51:42

his last meal, he ate two Philly

1:51:44

cheesesteaks, a Dr. Pepper chips and a

1:51:46

bag of M&Ms. And

1:51:49

when I read this, thank you. First of

1:51:51

all, thank you. What

1:51:53

I read this, my first thought was

1:51:55

that like, if he's going to shit

1:51:57

himself upon his death, he wanted it

1:52:00

to be the rankest shit. possible to

1:52:02

filly cheesesteaks to I love

1:52:04

a Philly cheesesteak but that's a lot of food

1:52:07

yeah I mean it's like he'll be bloated for

1:52:09

very long no I he

1:52:11

was preparing his last bomb if

1:52:13

you will and

1:52:16

that's my opinion that's my

1:52:18

speculation listen

1:52:21

we know it's really common

1:52:23

to defecate upon death yeah

1:52:25

he's a fucking psycho you

1:52:27

got m&m shrapnel let's go

1:52:29

oh my god Moody

1:52:31

maintained his innocence up until the end and

1:52:34

did not respond when asked if he had

1:52:36

any last words and though I am

1:52:39

very much not pro death penalty I

1:52:41

will say this good I'm glad you

1:52:43

didn't give any last words because fucking

1:52:45

nobody wants to hear your bullshit ever

1:52:48

the fuck again yeah at

1:52:50

least we didn't get an 11-page handwritten

1:52:52

manifesto right before he fucking left

1:52:55

planet Earth two of them I

1:52:58

can't I can't well like the

1:53:00

similarities between these guys totally pretty

1:53:04

tight yeah they're blaming

1:53:06

everyone else yeah I was yeah I see

1:53:08

a Virgo I don't know let me look

1:53:11

hold on Walter

1:53:13

Moody let's see born

1:53:16

March 24th 1935

1:53:21

so that would be Aries

1:53:24

mmm Aries

1:53:27

fucking Aries I don't

1:53:29

trust him well anyway

1:53:31

yeah so that's my

1:53:34

case for bad bombings

1:53:36

horrible horrible man fucking

1:53:38

the worst job

1:53:41

again I do not believe

1:53:43

in the death penalty but I can't say

1:53:46

that I'm sad that this person no longer

1:53:48

exists well he just I don't

1:53:50

I don't have to hang up yeah and

1:53:52

I don't have to agree with the

1:53:55

death penalty to like not

1:53:58

care that he's dead yeah Totally.

1:54:00

He was gonna die anyway and I would have

1:54:03

been glad then and I'm glad now. He was

1:54:05

moving anyway. He was fucking

1:54:07

moving anyway. Oh, well,

1:54:09

incredible. I gotta go make

1:54:11

my last bomb. So. I

1:54:16

know I can't wait to eat a

1:54:18

Philly cheesesteak. That's kind of good actually.

1:54:20

Yeah. Not two though. Happy fourth. Happy

1:54:23

fourth, please be safe. Don't fuck around

1:54:25

with fireworks. Yeah. Go look

1:54:27

at Mrs. Ann Jemmy's account if you

1:54:29

need any reminders as to why. Yeah.

1:54:32

And speaking of having your left hand

1:54:34

removed. Seriously, don't be an asshole. Don't

1:54:36

be a racist. Don't be a bomber.

1:54:39

Pretty easy ways to live. Yeah. Well,

1:54:41

thanks for listening and happy fourth of

1:54:44

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