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1:03

I believe I know who's done it. You

1:05

can't possibly. It wasn't me. I swear. I swear

1:08

it wasn't me. It was Professor Blum

1:10

in the library with the wrench. Ah

1:12

shit, it was with the rope. Ah fuck.

1:14

Now I lost and now he wrote

1:16

the game. Oh, oh, oh, well, uh,

1:18

I guess. Okay. It was, it was

1:20

the purple guy in the book

1:22

place with the Strangly bit. Uh,

1:24

did I do it? Did I get it? British,

1:27

weird, British guy. You got to get out of

1:29

my house. Okay. I don't know how you got

1:31

here. I don't know what we're doing here. Other

1:33

than I do know, we are doing an episode

1:35

on the board game. Son of a bitch. And

1:38

movie clue. This fucking penta hose been cut from

1:40

eight ways to Sunday. Looks like a coke deal

1:42

done gone bad. Uh, I'm

1:44

just going to randomly guess rooms and

1:47

weapons until by process

1:49

of elimination. This

1:51

is how detective work. Hold in.

1:53

I'm already mad at this game. Why? All right.

1:55

So you were coming at this from opposite angles.

1:57

I loved this board game growing up. And

2:00

absolutely more than anything else, love

2:03

the movie clue. I love it, love

2:05

it, love it. It is

2:07

my favorite like afternoon movie.

2:10

It is the afternoon movie. It's got

2:12

all the, hits all the marks. It's

2:14

like funny with the mystery. There's an

2:17

ensemble cast. It's like they're

2:19

stuck in one place for

2:21

the whole movie. It

2:23

just feels like Saturday afternoon or Sunday afternoon

2:25

to me as a kid. And it was

2:28

always on TV. Because that's when it was

2:30

aired on TV. Because

2:32

it was a flop. And so the rights

2:34

to it were very cheap. Totally, totally. Yeah,

2:36

but that's the whole story of Clue. We'll

2:39

explain exactly how that all went down. But

2:41

yes, the movie was a box office

2:44

flop and then became beloved

2:46

by not just me. There's many, many

2:48

people like me who fucking

2:50

love this movie from growing up.

2:52

It was that pleasant surprise because

2:54

so many shitty movies were played

2:56

in the afternoon because it was

2:59

easy to get the rights to

3:01

them. And they were clean enough

3:04

that they didn't have to censor too much or do

3:06

anything in terms of the content. But

3:08

you were always wading through a sea

3:10

of shitty movies. Or maybe

3:12

it was a good movie, but it was

3:15

a R-rated movie. So it was like not

3:17

good in, I wanna meet a

3:19

stranger in the Alps or whatever it is. It

3:21

was not good in afternoon

3:23

TV form. But Clue had

3:25

it all. It had some

3:27

violence and some sexiness, but

3:31

it also was not actually

3:35

anything that the censors would come after.

3:37

And it was just charming as all

3:39

hell. And so I- You can just

3:41

say you lost your goddamn mind to

3:43

Leslie Ann Warren in that low cut

3:45

green dress. That was- And that was

3:47

an important moment. It was more Yvette.

3:49

Something was the maid. So

3:51

yeah, but it had all that stuff in

3:54

it. Colleen Camp's performance in that movie was

3:57

heaving with acting prowess, I will

3:59

say. Well, I just I really really

4:01

love it and it has all these like iconic

4:03

moments. I mean obviously Tim Curry Madeleine Khan I

4:05

mean it is just such a fantastic film. I

4:07

can't wait to get into it Let's go back

4:09

to the board game too though because I was

4:11

thinking about this quite a lot and clue for

4:14

me really hit the sweet Spot that

4:16

other board games did it like Monopoly took too

4:18

long and everyone got mad Sorry

4:20

was like fun at first. It was like a little

4:22

too simple. You know what I mean? It just was

4:25

a little too like, you know,

4:27

it's by the numbers in trouble. Yeah,

4:29

it's less fun Trouble, I mean I

4:31

liked life a lot But I

4:33

feel like I had the best

4:35

times playing a game with my family

4:37

playing clue It just

4:39

it had the right amount of challenge and

4:42

simplicity It had the proper

4:44

amount of like it was

4:46

it was yeah It was the theming

4:48

was perfect the you know search that

4:50

the whodunit ness was really fun It

4:53

just it just it was the kind of game

4:55

where I was really like when we would play it as a family

4:57

I even remember one time we all sat

5:00

around and played it and I

5:02

was a little worried going in It was gonna be

5:04

like, you know You never know what you're gonna get

5:06

with these fucking board game family experiences, right? And I

5:08

just remember we all like clicked into how to play

5:10

it everybody like played it right

5:12

the first time You know

5:14

It just really didn't take that long to

5:16

like go over the rules and get in

5:18

there and have a really good time But

5:20

yeah and and but it didn't have the

5:23

sorry problem Where it was

5:25

like easy to get into and then

5:27

you're like, oh this is like so simple though This

5:30

could yeah, yeah, so there

5:32

is so one of the things I feel

5:34

like about clue is it's a

5:36

great introduction to a

5:39

deduction game, huh, but it

5:43

But it really could play itself You

5:46

know because it's not a matter

5:48

of inference. It's not a matter of

5:50

deduction. It's just a process of elimination

5:54

And like I was looking up like what are

5:56

some like high level strategies because it's been a

5:58

while since I played clue And I

6:00

was like, clearly, you know,

6:03

what is it mean to play it as

6:05

an adult? And really, there's like

6:07

a couple of things you can do, one

6:11

of which is making sure

6:13

that you efficiently

6:16

choose the shortest path between rooms,

6:18

because every room is an opportunity to

6:20

accuse and ever, or not accuse, to

6:23

suggest, I keep, I forget

6:25

the terminology, to just every,

6:28

every suggestion gives you more

6:30

information. So if you're dicking

6:32

around in between rooms, you're

6:34

not learning anything, you're not making progress. And

6:36

there are like ways you can make it

6:38

through the fact that so much of it

6:41

is dice based, and you could after some

6:43

shitty rolls, just be wandering around, just kind

6:45

of not like doing anything is a weakness

6:47

in the game. And it

6:50

really is just process of elimination,

6:52

the highest level strategies I could

6:54

think I could like see going

6:56

through all the board game geek like

6:58

kind of resources was one lie

7:01

or like a key or make suggestions

7:03

for cards that you already know are

7:06

in your hand to try and get

7:08

people to waste time following

7:10

those routes, which is like pretty

7:13

good. But you're wasting

7:15

a turn that you could be learning more

7:17

information. The other one is kind of dickish,

7:19

you can find a way to

7:21

physically block the doors of certain rooms

7:24

just to be an asshole and prevent

7:26

people from entering them and them getting

7:28

more information. And then

7:31

there's within the notepad, you

7:33

could use like an elaborate numbering system

7:35

to keep track of who guessed what

7:38

on what turns and then you can

7:40

make a little more advanced

7:42

deductions from there kind of creating a

7:44

little personal Sudoku puzzle or you would

7:47

do like a second grid I saw

7:49

you could do it you could like

7:51

create a second grid on your

7:53

notes for that stuff to like to mark off

7:55

like exactly who guessed what when and everything like

7:57

that as soon as you're like done with that,

8:00

you should immediately move on

8:02

to something like Mafia or

8:04

Werewolf or Secret German Dictator.

8:07

Like, all of these games where there is

8:10

no kind of faffin' about on a game

8:12

board, it is about actually

8:14

reading, like deliberately deceiving the

8:16

people around you. Like,

8:18

that's what's really gonna get the blood pumping, that's

8:21

what's gonna get people screaming and having a good

8:23

time. I will give clue

8:25

credit though, for such an

8:27

early board game design, it

8:30

has had massive staying power. The

8:32

perfect theming, taking

8:34

what is a modern fascination

8:37

with murder and reducing it

8:39

to a very simple card

8:41

game is fantastic. Even

8:44

just the use of like these

8:46

silly character names like Professor Plum

8:48

and Colonel Mustard is

8:50

like so memorable. There's a reason why, you

8:53

know, it was Colonel Mustard in the

8:56

observatory is like such a meme

8:58

or a trope. It's

9:00

a meme of people under 36 say it, it's

9:02

a trope of people over 36 say it. And

9:06

quality like little gubbins, the

9:09

just the heavy metal pieces,

9:11

you know, holding that like, that weird

9:14

looking revolver in your hand and like

9:16

going like pew pew pew when

9:19

you're a kid or in my

9:21

case, the shitty shitty plastic rope.

9:23

It always upset me that the rope was a different

9:26

was made out of shitty plastic. But

9:28

it's not like I'm trying to say

9:30

it's not that fun of a game.

9:33

It's you know, strong disagreeing. You

9:35

could do far better than clue.

9:38

But I guess compared to

9:41

something like mouse trap or

9:43

crossfire or I don't know, let's

9:45

say a dizzy dizzy dinosaur.

9:47

Again, I think you're forgetting the

9:49

value of like a game that

9:52

a kid, a weird uncle, a

9:56

mom and dad and like a grandpa could all

9:58

play. You know what I mean? I

10:00

think you got to put that factor into

10:02

it, right? Because once you start pushing into

10:04

what you're talking about, what you what what

10:06

we should be playing instead of Clue, we're

10:09

talking everybody who's either in their life, who

10:11

are like in their 30s, who

10:14

are dedicated to a board game night or

10:16

whatever, and kind of know the role on

10:18

everything. You know what I mean? That what's

10:20

great about Clue, Clue, the

10:23

reason why it's up there with Monopoly,

10:25

sorry, you know, all these

10:27

games, life, gravel, all those

10:29

games is because it's capable

10:32

of providing for like a mixed

10:34

bag of nuts sitting

10:36

around the table, right? Like

10:38

once we move, push it further in, you

10:40

know, we get into territory

10:43

that's like, we're not teaching everybody in

10:45

the family how to play, you know,

10:47

I don't know, descent or something. You

10:49

know what I mean? It's not going

10:52

to happen. Now the inspector can call

10:54

upon two observers every third round and

10:56

the observer can talk to the journalist.

10:59

Now the journalist knows which two are

11:01

the murder wolves, but a murder wolf

11:03

can be sedated by

11:06

a primary. Everybody's

11:08

out, right? Everybody's out. And

11:10

so that's why it works so well. And

11:13

then I would at least hope Jake saw

11:15

the movie Clue for the first time this

11:17

past weekend. Jake, Negativinelli

11:19

Jake, I guess is what we're called on

11:21

this episode. At least you have to agree

11:24

the movie is charming. It's perfectly

11:26

true and correct. Carl empirically

11:28

true. Trudy. You

11:31

could at the very least admit that although yes, they

11:33

will talk about

11:37

how they kind of biffed the move, you know, the release into

11:40

theaters pretty hard. You

11:42

can at least admit it's a very

11:44

charming work that is perfect for like a

11:47

rainy day, you know, in right. It's a

11:49

lot. I mean, there's so much about

11:51

the movie, people

11:54

are weird about the movie. Just be

11:56

cool with the movie. No, I understand.

11:58

It's the indoor kids. spend too much

12:00

time watching comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

12:03

understand it's it's a it's a dark

12:05

alliance of indoor kids that watch too

12:07

much Comedy Central and fervent

12:10

gays that love any movie in which

12:12

famed character actresses act

12:15

hysterical. Yes. So like

12:17

I understand I'm gonna make a lot

12:19

of I'm not gonna say enemies but just

12:22

in different people. It's very

12:24

like the movie itself

12:27

is a lot of

12:29

the jokes are very like kind

12:31

of like groan. It's

12:33

very vaudeville. It's very hot cha

12:35

cha. And like, yes, it's impressive

12:37

watching Tim Curry run around actually

12:40

a near breathless acrobatic

12:42

act of farce. But

12:44

like, I just want

12:47

to watch like I would rather

12:49

watch Christopher Lloyd Madeline Khan Michael

12:51

McKean Martin mole, Leslie and Warren

12:54

and like Eileen Brennan just like,

12:56

talk about their agents like I

12:58

like they're just really charming people.

13:01

And couldn't disagree more could not

13:03

disagree more. I think that you

13:06

were just not into you know, like

13:08

theatrical like farses and stuff like that.

13:11

Like I love stuff like that. I

13:13

love when everybody's like spitballing in a

13:15

room and it's going fast and

13:17

there's, there's this kind of every

13:19

and again in an ensemble character

13:21

way. Extremely fun to me

13:24

like that. I love it. And everybody

13:26

is like, here's my here's my only

13:28

here's you can this is my

13:30

own personal opinion. But this is the only thing

13:32

I'm gonna say to try and keep

13:34

my case talk about their agent. I would

13:37

rather fucking cut my ears

13:39

off. claimed

13:42

actors from this like very special

13:44

era in filmmaking like just like

13:47

they're all incredibly charming and funny

13:49

people, the single most quoted line,

13:52

the thing that is the most iconic

13:54

from this movie, the moments that everybody

13:56

thinks of when they think

13:58

of this movie is Madeleine Khan

14:00

as, uh, uh, she's

14:03

Mrs. White in this, in the film.

14:05

Uh, Scarlett. No, no, no. Leslie Ann

14:07

Warren's Miss Scarlett. Oh, you're right. Right.

14:09

Yeah. She's yeah. Just is she just

14:11

the flames. Flames

14:15

side of my face. She improvised

14:17

that. Mm-hmm. Well, that was

14:19

beauty of the film. Madeleine Khan. The beauty

14:21

of the film was that. No, that was,

14:23

it stood out because it was like the

14:25

only thing not actually deliberately put in the

14:27

movie. Communism was a red herring. Uh,

14:30

what else? Uh, uh, the whole, there's so

14:32

many moments of the movie that are great

14:34

when they all open the

14:36

door on the police officer. They're all

14:38

like, particularly like everything's cool and constantly,

14:41

uh, uh, contradicting each other, the whole

14:43

thing. You kind of minimize that is

14:45

like an amazing work of, uh,

14:48

theatricality and acting and, and

14:50

just sheer fucking line memorization and choreography

14:52

with Tim Curry's whole crazy like breakdown

14:54

of how everything went down. You're like

14:56

minimizing such like a fun, awesome stuff

14:59

at a really good ensemble comedy movie.

15:01

And it's the kind of movie I

15:03

lament that we don't have anymore. I

15:05

agree with that. I agree with that.

15:07

I'm glad the movie exists. I'm just

15:10

saying, I don't know if it would

15:12

have been an all time imprint classic,

15:14

especially watching it with adult eyes. Um,

15:17

it's, it's on the backs of

15:20

these actors. Sure. This movie is elevated to

15:22

such a high status. Oh, for sure. But

15:24

that, I mean, yeah, but, but now

15:26

I'm going to go home and sleep with my

15:29

wife again, to though, to minimize that, like

15:31

that's a part of making a movie is

15:33

like getting the exact perfect people in for

15:36

the job and then watching them all make

15:38

this great thing. And I, it made

15:40

me especially happy to see like what

15:43

I had already kind of known because I

15:45

think that's what makes the movie so enjoyable

15:47

to watch. They all had so much fucking

15:49

fun making this movie together. They all like

15:51

came from different parts of the acting

15:53

world. They all got together and seemed

15:56

to really have a mutual love and respect for

15:58

each other. And that's. And it really

16:00

like shines through and again, I mean they were all

16:03

paid this I mean we'll get into it, but they

16:05

were all paid the same they all had equal billing

16:07

like yeah It was a very and even though wait

16:09

I got one line when I'm gonna

16:11

lob this Tell please tell me you got this one.

16:13

Oh, no, how many husbands have you had married

16:16

or? Mine

16:20

or other women mine or other women's yeah,

16:22

yeah, that's something yeah men to your to

16:24

their death like a spider with flies What

16:27

are you worried about a face fate worse to death? I

16:33

Love the one-liners of this movie I miss

16:35

movies like these we talked about missing like

16:37

those funny screwball like 90s comedies mm-hmm I

16:40

also miss the like a

16:43

this is 80s But I

16:45

feel like you've seen this even since like the

16:47

50s 60s that like create

16:50

you know farce Crazy,

16:52

you know Shenanigan character filled ensemble that you

16:54

would see on a stage And I mean

16:56

we'll talk about you know we'll talk about

16:59

how that that was done But like they

17:01

really made it it reminds me

17:03

like a really great fun Stageplay

17:05

that I the kind that I used to

17:07

watch and love all the time especially when

17:09

I was younger when you You

17:12

know we're in that weird space where you didn't

17:14

have access to Or

17:17

didn't even really want more

17:19

violent sexual affair you know like

17:23

Didn't really have the R rated movies in your

17:25

life yet It was just such a wonderful thing

17:27

so we're gonna do that's my mission. We're gonna

17:29

change Jake's frown upside

17:31

down. I think this is a really

17:33

fun episode But it is also the

17:35

curse of clue the board game comes

17:37

with its weirdness The movie was a

17:39

box office flop until it later gained

17:41

fandom status, but all of it

17:44

is kind of messy There's a lot of

17:46

messiness behind all of this and it's kind

17:48

of perfect because it's surrounding a murder mystery

17:50

game So I kind of would like to

17:52

think that it might have a curse on

17:55

its hands glue also by the way We're not

17:57

talking about clue today. We're talking about Pluto Outside

18:00

of the US it is known as Cluedo. It

18:02

is a murder mystery board game played by three

18:04

to six players in which they must determine who

18:06

is the murderer, what the murder weapon was, where

18:08

the murder took place, and the many rooms of

18:11

a mansion. It was created by Anthony E. Pratt

18:13

back in the mid-40s. It

18:15

was also turned into a feature film back in 1985,

18:18

a black comedy murder mystery with an all-star

18:20

cast. We've already been screaming about it. It's

18:22

fucking awesome. But let's first talk about the

18:25

board game and how all that came together.

18:27

Anthony Ernest Pratt. He was

18:29

born and raised in Birmingham, England. And

18:32

though he had a great passion for chemistry,

18:34

he had a difficult time at school doing

18:36

a poor eyesight. He was also a talented

18:38

pianist. And after leaving school at 15, he

18:40

first tried to get

18:42

into the world of chemistry. But you got to go to

18:44

school for that. You can't just leave school at 15 to

18:47

do that. You can get into

18:49

chemistry without proper schooling. It just mostly

18:51

results in weird burns. Yes, absolutely. So

18:53

he ended up turning to music instead.

18:55

It should be noted that during his

18:57

childhood he did enjoy a game with

18:59

his friends called a murder, which was

19:02

like Mafia or Werewolf. One kid would

19:04

secretly be chosen to be the murderer.

19:06

And then the others would have to

19:08

figure out who it was. And I

19:10

also read this involved sneaking around

19:12

the house and acting out kills

19:15

and stuff like that. It really

19:17

feels more like the way

19:19

it's described, it's less of a game

19:22

of social deduction and more

19:24

a game of kind of

19:26

like when you ran around the playground. You're like,

19:28

I shoot you with a laser. Yeah. I'm

19:31

Mr. Murder Man. Yeah, exactly. And

19:34

initially he made his nut playing recitals

19:36

at hotels and on cruise ships traveling

19:38

all over the world. And a regular

19:41

occurrence at these hotels were those,

19:43

hey, we still have them today,

19:45

murder mystery games put on by

19:47

actors where they all present clues

19:49

to hotel guests sitting around a

19:51

fictional murder of someone at the

19:54

hotel or hell. It probably even happened on the

19:56

cruise ship as well. And they had to try

19:58

and figure out who done it. This

20:00

is something my wife even worked for

20:02

a murder mystery company as an actor in New

20:04

York City Oh, we're putting on these all the

20:06

time. Yeah, it was a lot of fun I

20:08

got to watch one one time and it was

20:10

super fun to see she

20:13

played this over-the-top character She was like I

20:15

believe she talked like this the whole time

20:17

and she was one I would why she

20:19

did I would be disappointed if she did

20:25

And Larson and Amber Nelson from the brighter side

20:27

here to check in with you see how you're

20:29

doing Is your day more disappointing than a

20:31

gas station sandwich? Are you

20:33

trying to put one foot in front of the other in

20:35

a glue factory? Did you try to throw your air fryer

20:38

in the bathtub but nothing happens because you were

20:40

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22:19

There's something about the

22:21

weird island of Britain and the

22:23

act of murder that makes them

22:25

so gosh damn good at it.

22:29

Maybe it was Arthur Conan Doyle getting

22:31

a stink of that Edgar Allan Poe

22:33

magic and murder at the Rue Mort.

22:36

Maybe it was Agatha Christie's many characters

22:39

like Miss Marple and her Kiel Poirot.

22:43

I really tried to look into this. What

22:46

is it about England and murder? Why

22:48

murder? There's a lot of

22:50

factors that go into this, one of which is

22:53

that the crime rates in England

22:55

are despite the things of getting

22:58

a Glasgow smile and just fucking

23:00

berries and tarts over in the

23:02

fucking pub, me Peaky Blind. Despite

23:06

all of that, the murder rates are

23:08

very low so there is a level

23:10

of novelty. It is this special

23:12

happening, especially during the time where

23:14

these stories were written. Another

23:17

thing is that the Industrial Revolution hit

23:20

England first and it hit

23:22

it hard, which involved lots

23:24

of people going from their

23:26

genteel rural surroundings into

23:29

these crowded, dirty cities where all

23:31

of a sudden you not only

23:33

have 50 times more

23:35

neighbors than you did before,

23:37

but they're all strangers. The

23:40

idea that somebody could just attack

23:42

you out of nowhere was a

23:44

new possibility that kind of sparked

23:47

people's imaginations. The printing press created

23:49

all of this hot new journalism.

23:52

If it bleeds, it leads. Not

23:58

Springheel Jack, Jack the Ripper. There we

24:00

go. Enter the popular imagination. And

24:04

so nowadays, every country

24:06

has its own form of crime

24:08

drama. You know, we got law

24:10

and order. The Norwegian countries have

24:13

fucking a million stories about very

24:15

sad men going into the woods

24:17

and finding a body. East

24:20

Asia has like grizzled cop fiction,

24:22

all this stuff. But the originator,

24:24

the place where it got to

24:26

like play out first was England.

24:29

So by the time we get

24:31

to the mid-40s, all of these

24:33

tropes are firmly in place and

24:35

universally known by the populace as,

24:37

you know, especially with

24:39

Agatha Christie, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

24:41

kind of setting these, you

24:44

know, the closed door clue

24:46

deduction detective tropes

24:49

in place. So like

24:51

it could like this game couldn't have come

24:53

from anywhere else besides England. Yeah. And it

24:55

was due to that. It was also came

24:58

about because of the second

25:00

world war during this time,

25:03

all the normal work he had been doing, all

25:05

the fun piano playing that

25:07

our boy Anthony Pratt was up to.

25:09

It was Hitler. Yep. In

25:12

Eastern Europe with the weapon

25:14

was the dehumanizing nature of

25:16

fascist ideology. Yes, exactly. And

25:18

so he ended up part of the

25:21

war effort and had to put the

25:23

piano playing down and work at a

25:25

local munitions factory, manufacturing components for tanks,

25:27

a job he found to be incredibly

25:29

tedious. And if that wasn't all, he

25:32

also ended up spending many nights stuck

25:34

inside due to air raid blackouts. So

25:36

needless to say, the guy was super

25:38

bored. This is because also they were,

25:40

it was especially bad in Birmingham because

25:43

the Germans knew that was a central

25:45

spot for factories dedicated to the war

25:47

making, you know, weapons and whatnot. So

25:49

there was just constant bombings in the

25:51

town that he was in. I mean,

25:54

the whole town turned to rubble over

25:56

time. They're walking through just destroyed streets

25:59

and buildings. to get to work

26:01

and so it also

26:03

should be stated he and his wife

26:05

Elva were avid murder mystery readers. They

26:08

enjoyed the works that you were just talking about

26:11

Raymond Chandler, Agatha Christie among others. There is actually

26:13

one specific work that seems to have directly influenced

26:15

the creation of the game. It is

26:17

called The Body in the Library by Agatha Christie. It

26:19

was published in 1942. It

26:22

begins with a maid informing Colonel Arthur

26:24

Bantry and his wife that a body

26:26

had been found in the library of

26:28

their mansion home and soon they along

26:30

with some of their close friends and

26:32

neighbors all get pulled in as suspects

26:35

for the crime. The book also has

26:38

a room layout

26:40

to help the reader understand the

26:42

layout of the mansion and it

26:44

looks very similar strikingly so to

26:47

the setup on the clue board

26:49

with a central staircase and ancillary

26:51

surrounding rooms that help you kind

26:53

of judge it's part of the

26:56

deduction of well you couldn't have

26:58

gone here from here you had to have gone the

27:00

long way around it couldn't have been you that

27:02

plays into the book also another side note that just

27:04

kind of colors Anthony E Pratt

27:06

for us his daughter later

27:09

stated in an interview that he was

27:11

quote fascinated by the criminal mind in

27:13

quote and would regularly point out famous

27:15

places where murders happened when they'd be

27:17

like out and about so yes it

27:19

is confirmed he would have been a

27:21

last podcast fan most likely so

27:24

with this basic idea Anthony and Elvis set

27:26

about designing it Elvis sketched out a

27:28

floor plan while for it while Anthony came

27:30

up with the characters and weapons a

27:32

process that took about 18 months they

27:35

started with 10 characters and

27:37

nine weapons there was a bomb a

27:39

hypodermic syringe by the way the hypodermic

27:41

syringe and and poison were both used

27:43

in body in the library in the

27:46

body in the library story but as

27:48

we know they were both narrowed down

27:50

to six each with nine rooms on

27:52

the board as well which was cut

27:54

down from 11 they removed

27:57

a gun room and a cellar

27:59

the removed characters were Mr.

28:01

Brown, Mr. Gold, Miss Gray,

28:03

and Mrs. Silver. The

28:05

real tough part was to create a way in which there

28:08

would be a different outcome every time you played it. There

28:10

are actually 324 different possible outcomes to the game and

28:15

they originally had the cards dealt out to rooms

28:17

on the board and players would have to go

28:19

and retrieve the cards as opposed to dealing the

28:21

cards to the players at the table. But this

28:23

is all stuff that they... yeah, yeah, that 18

28:26

months of development.

28:29

This is all stuff that they changed during

28:31

that time. Oh, and you had to land

28:33

on another player to make a suggestion using

28:35

a special token which if you ran

28:38

out of the token the player couldn't

28:40

make any more suggestions. Which

28:42

is interesting. Originally they titled it

28:44

Murder at Tudor Close and

28:47

it is believed that they may have

28:49

based that on the layout of the

28:51

Tudor Close Hotel in Roddington, Brighton

28:54

and Hove. Why are British names of

28:56

towns like eight words and

28:58

with commas and stuff like that? I'll never

29:01

say but yes. Well it lets you know

29:04

if the town is close to the Hove. Rodden

29:07

Dean, Brighton and Hove, the Tudor

29:09

Close Hotel. I'm already asleep just

29:11

saying the names that I needed

29:13

to say of where the hotel

29:15

was located. Brickspin the Pawnstrapshire. When

29:18

Platt applied for the patent in

29:20

1944 he did so under the

29:22

shortened name murder! Exclamation point. That

29:25

was originally what the game was

29:27

called until they end up taking

29:29

it to an executive at Waddington's.

29:31

A key part of this entire

29:33

thing I should have mentioned is

29:36

that his buddy had previously

29:38

sold the game to Waddington's and

29:41

made a good chunk of cash which

29:44

like gave him the remote idea that

29:46

like oh I can

29:48

do that if fucking Schmucky Nigel

29:50

Schmuckington could do it like yeah

29:53

Alva come here we're gonna make

29:55

some money. I ain't saying Nigel

29:57

Schmuckington. Alright, alright, alright. up

30:00

the game you sold that inspired Anthony

30:03

Pratt to create a clue. I just

30:05

put a dookie in the town well.

30:07

Now everyone's gonna die. All

30:11

right. All right. Oh, so it was a

30:13

game where you had to deduce. Who put

30:15

the dookie in the well and it's always

30:17

me. There's only one solution and the solution

30:19

is always me. Mr. Shmuckington

30:21

in the well with the dookie.

30:23

One card and a little metal

30:26

turn. What

30:28

has paid me 20 quid for it? The

30:32

idea that, uh, all right. I

30:35

hate my character that I created. I hate

30:37

my character that I created. I think Shmuckington

30:40

is a beloved new

30:42

member of the Whisper can. Oh, and

30:44

you don't like me much. It's not

30:46

interesting. I ain't it. All

30:49

right. All right. All right. What are you? Are

30:51

you Matthew McConaughey or a British guy? I don't

30:53

even get it. It's like

30:55

Austin Powers, also Matthew McConaughey,

30:57

also like Bill Nighy. Nighy.

31:00

I can't pronounce his name, but the, I

31:02

feel it in my fingers from love. Actually that.

31:04

Oh, Lynn, I just want to get a lick

31:06

of water. Do you mind showing me where your

31:08

well is? All right. I don't have a well,

31:10

first of all. And I know you're going to

31:13

put a dookie into it. That's what you just

31:15

said you would do. Foods

31:17

you again. How did you fool me, dude? I

31:19

just called out what you were going to do.

31:21

Ta ta. Ed net. What

31:24

do you mean? All right. Anyways, let's move on.

31:26

Thank you to our special guest this, uh, this

31:29

week, Michael Kane, Michael Kane. Thank you so much

31:31

for lending your voice. All

31:36

right. Waddington's

31:38

British manufacturer of card and board games. The

31:41

company initially was a printing business. They did

31:43

most of their work with, uh, in the

31:45

realm and the theater industry. Uh,

31:47

that is until world war one, the world

31:50

wars really put a damper on all the

31:52

fun in this episode, world war one came

31:54

around and playing cards were in high demand

31:56

with the soldiers. So that led to them

31:58

getting into playing cards. and then later

32:00

board games as a result of that, they

32:03

had a first big boon by being the

32:05

UK publisher of Parker Brothers big hit Monopoly.

32:07

I wonder if we even mentioned them. Well,

32:09

that's, oh, God, that's

32:11

even more complicated because it was a

32:14

handshake deal. Cluedo

32:16

was making waves

32:18

in post-war England

32:21

and Monopoly, as we talked about in our

32:23

Monopoly episode. One of my favorites we've

32:25

ever done, by the way, check it out. Check it

32:27

out. It was doing great during Depression-era America,

32:31

and so Parker Brothers wanted Cluedo

32:33

and Waddington's wanted Monopoly, so

32:35

they kind of traded. That's right. Oh,

32:37

okay. So it wasn't a first-game Monopoly

32:39

to include. I got my… No.

32:43

…my Baxter. Okay, God, that makes a lot more…

32:45

Who cares? It's all Hasbro now.

32:47

Yeah, it's all Hasbro. Hasbro owns everything.

32:49

So Executive Norman Watson at Waddington's jumped

32:51

right on the idea that was brought

32:53

to him by Elva and Anthony. They

32:55

are all about this murderer board game.

32:57

They purchased the rights of the game,

32:59

and it is Norman Watson who trademarks

33:01

it as Cluedo. Now why

33:03

is it Cluedo instead of Clue? Well,

33:06

it's a combination of the word Clue

33:08

and Ludo, which is the Latin word

33:10

for I play. Ludo also was the

33:12

name for Parcheesi in England, so I

33:14

think they were just trying to kind

33:16

of connect it, like kind of put

33:19

it up along the lines of that

33:21

popular game. The dice and the little

33:24

figures, I guess… What

33:26

do you even call tokens? Yeah. The

33:28

little people tokens are very similar, and the

33:30

grid… Uh-huh. It's all

33:33

very similar to a Parcheesi board,

33:35

but it's instead of a

33:37

bad game for people that should

33:39

be playing backgammon, it's about

33:42

murder. It was Cluedo. It

33:44

almost makes… If you

33:46

have that context, you get a good idea

33:48

of what the game entails. This was back

33:50

in 1947, however the game does not get

33:53

released into the world until 1949. You

33:56

wanna know why? The fucking war

33:58

yet again, causing shortages. on

34:00

supplies. They weren't able to

34:02

get it out into the world until a couple years

34:04

later. And then a tragic turning

34:07

point happens for the Prats. This

34:09

happens when Waddington informs them, hey, you know

34:11

what, this game's not selling very well. And

34:13

so I'll tell you what, we

34:16

feel bad for you, but we're going to, we'll make

34:18

you a deal. Oh, that's so

34:20

nice of them. They felt bad for them.

34:22

Out of pity and empathy, they made a

34:25

deal? We'll sign away the

34:27

foreign rights for Cluedo so we

34:29

can sell it around the world. We'll give you

34:31

a whole 5,000 pounds. That's

34:33

about 125K US dollars now. That's

34:37

the thing. It was no slouch. It was definitely going

34:39

to set them up and they were still going to

34:42

get regular checks for the patent. And

34:44

so it was, it seems

34:46

absurd that they would sell the game for 5,000

34:48

pounds. They definitely lost

34:51

out on millions because of it eventually.

34:53

And then Anthony Prats like, well, you're

34:55

not going to use like a mass

34:57

media crossover empire where properties

34:59

such as the Simpsons, Harry Potter, Game

35:01

of Thrones. I don't know what any

35:03

of these words mean. I'm drunk off

35:05

me. So yeah,

35:08

you know, it's a bummer. Marsha, the

35:10

Prats daughter feels they took the

35:12

offer due to Elba becoming pregnant at the time.

35:15

So that puts some financial pressure on the family.

35:17

Marsha said 5,000 pounds

35:20

is a lot of money back then, as Jake's already

35:22

stated. You could buy a good house with that.

35:24

It was only in the sixties when there was a

35:26

rampant inflation that my parents

35:28

nest egg was severely eroded and

35:30

wasn't worth so much anymore. Also,

35:33

as fortune would have it, the game would

35:35

become less popular in Britain where they were

35:37

like making the money off of it. And

35:39

it surged in popularity over the next few

35:42

decades in America where it

35:44

was known as Clue and the family

35:46

just gained no money from any of

35:48

that because of the selling off.

35:50

Marsha, the daughter, there was

35:53

one YouTube video where they interviewed her and she

35:55

just casually dropped it. It was like, my

35:58

mother held onto that bitterness. for

36:00

quite a while. She always resented my father

36:02

for taking that deal when all was said

36:04

and done. My father had a, you know,

36:06

well, what are you going to do at

36:08

it? Okay, I tell you what, I have

36:10

the exact quote right here. My mom was

36:12

angrier than he was about it. In those

36:14

days, you didn't go to financial advisors or

36:16

agents. Ordinary people like us didn't even know

36:18

they existed. Dad was more sanguine. He

36:21

felt he'd had a good time for a few

36:23

years on the back of the game. He didn't

36:25

court the recognition, and we weren't penniless, but I

36:27

can't help but thinking the money would have made

36:30

my parents' final days so much more comfortable. Because,

36:32

I mean, by the end of it, they,

36:35

you know, he was working again

36:38

as a solicitor's clerk. He had a

36:40

normal ass job by the end of his life

36:42

because of the money drying up and everything, and

36:44

he really shouldn't have. That game was so successful.

36:46

He absolutely should have died. A happy,

36:49

healthy dude or a happy, rich dude

36:52

who did not really have to work a

36:54

whole lot. He should have been murdered in

36:56

a palatial manner with either a wrench or

36:59

a pie. Oh, I'm sorry. A spanner. A

37:01

spanner. That too. So, yeah, that

37:03

is the curse of Clue with the board game.

37:05

I do have some info on some

37:07

additions. You already mentioned them a little bit, but I do

37:09

want to say the vanilla version

37:12

of Clue is Clue Classic Edition.

37:14

This is the true version of the

37:16

game. There are, however, of course, several

37:19

variants, largely adding popular licenses as skins

37:21

to the game, like we have with any big

37:23

popular board game like Monopoly or what have

37:26

you. Although they come with interesting little twists

37:28

when it comes to Clue because of the

37:30

plot device of Clue, you know, and you

37:32

know, because sometimes they're like Mr. Burns was

37:34

murdered, like very in a very who shot

37:36

Mr. Burns kind of way. But in other

37:38

times they come up with like clever ways

37:40

to not have a murder be the central

37:42

device because it's like a beloved franchise. If

37:44

you say the example I found, I'm going

37:46

to be so happy. Golden Girls? Yeah,

37:49

yeah. Golden Girls is the funnest one. It is...

37:52

You have to... Yeah, you have to

37:54

figure out who ate the last slice of

37:56

cheesecake. And I think that's really, really,

37:59

really fun. Before we get to

38:01

more of those variants with the licenses, I will

38:03

say, I think if I were to go get

38:05

a clue game right now, it would probably be

38:07

Clue Master Detective. This was released in 1988, and

38:11

they add more characters, more weapons, and rooms

38:13

to the base game, which is kind of

38:15

funny because they had more rooms, weapons, and

38:17

characters when they first came up with the

38:19

game and slowly chipped away at them. So

38:21

if you wanted to kind of expand on

38:23

your Clue experience in a more meaningful way,

38:25

it seems like Master Detective might be the

38:27

way to go. But there are some

38:29

really cool things that they did. They didn't just –

38:31

you know, because I feel like with Monopoly, they just

38:33

like slapped the license on it and move on. And

38:35

a lot of times, there's not a lot of thought

38:37

put in, but like the Harry Potter version, you can

38:40

spin little wheels at the end of the board to

38:42

like alter the layout. Stuff

38:44

like that. That's really cool. The Office one

38:46

goes pretty hard, having you solve the mystery

38:48

of who murdered Toby, Michael's nemesis on the

38:50

show. It includes intrigue cards,

38:52

which give the player an extra guess or

38:55

extra turn, things like that.

38:57

And there's a personality card, which gives everyone a

38:59

unique one-time special power that you can pop at

39:01

some point in the game. And

39:03

these are also, by the way,

39:05

included in other like different, usually

39:08

licensed versions. I really

39:10

liked the Seinfeld one

39:12

was cool. Newman wrote

39:15

a newsletter full of like horrible

39:18

information about everybody in the gang. And he's going

39:20

to distribute it on his mail route, and he

39:22

gets knocked out before he can do it. And

39:24

you have to figure out who did that. That's

39:26

kind of a nice little twist on everything.

39:29

And the Zelda one's really clever. Zelda, you

39:31

have to figure out who will be fighting

39:33

Ganon with what weapon and where in Hyrule

39:35

will they do it. Ooh, okay. So

39:38

it's kind of turns – it's like the kill

39:40

hasn't happened yet. It's trying to figure out who's

39:43

going to go off and do it. Who is

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40:33

you have any other ones for variants and

40:35

stuff like that? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean,

40:37

especially in like the modern

40:39

age. It feels like Clue is

40:41

more of a brand. Where

40:44

any like game coming out of

40:46

Hasbro is like given the Clue

40:48

branding. If it has even a taste of the

40:50

macabre. There's the Clue

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Escape series. Which are a series

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of like puzzle like escape room

40:56

scenarios. That you work with cumulatively.

40:59

Clue Jr. which starts

41:01

as a collaborative game. Where like you try and

41:04

deduce the killer together. Then you flip the board

41:06

over once the kids are like a little bit

41:08

older. And they can play against themselves. There's

41:11

been a few modern re

41:13

configurations. One is Clue

41:15

Conspiracy. Which takes the

41:17

Clue kind of set up and

41:20

puts it into a more

41:22

social deduction game. Where people at the

41:24

table with you are conspiring to kill

41:26

a character. And you and if you

41:29

either are trying to protect them or

41:31

kill them. And figure out who the

41:33

conspirators are. They tried Clue Discover the

41:35

Secrets in 2008. Which

41:38

completely shifted the entire thing to

41:40

like an LA setting. Where like

41:42

you're trying to figure out who

41:45

killed the celebrity. Colonel Mustard becomes

41:47

Jack Mustard. Former NFL

41:49

superstar. I think Miss Peacock

41:51

is like a.com investor. Like

41:54

all this stuff. There was

41:56

minor minor hullabaloo.

41:58

When they. killed off Mrs.

42:01

White and replaced her with

42:03

Dr. Orchid, a pink

42:05

token who was a biologist and

42:08

the adopted daughter of Mr. Body,

42:10

aka Mr. Black. Now

42:12

across every version, it's Mr.

42:14

Boden, quote,

42:17

Body Black, so everybody's right.

42:19

And I think they've since brought Mrs.

42:22

White back. There was

42:24

even one version during that in-between time

42:27

where you hooked the

42:29

game up to your Alexa, and

42:32

as you played the game, you could do

42:34

a seance and ask the ghost of Mrs.

42:36

White to mix up the game and she

42:39

would tell you to reveal cards to the

42:41

player to your left, or you could ask

42:44

another player to reveal a card out of

42:47

turn. And that was like, they keep

42:49

trying to mix things up, but it always comes

42:51

back to these classic characters and

42:53

the classic rules. Further weird spin-offs,

42:58

or actually, no way, we got to get to

43:00

the movie first, then we can talk about some

43:02

other weird spin-offs. Okay, cool. Let's get into it.

43:04

It's a movie, baby! This is probably the thing

43:06

I was more excited to talk about than the

43:08

board game itself, because I, again, just big

43:11

love for this for my childhood clue, released as

43:13

a filmic experience in 1985, black comedy directed by

43:16

Jonathan Lynn, who wrote the script with

43:19

John Landis and features an all-star- Don't

43:21

worry, I must stress, story

43:24

by John Landis, as we'll get into

43:26

it. Yes. It was Lynn who had

43:28

to actually put it down and make

43:31

sense of it. Yeah, we'll get into

43:33

it in just a second. It features

43:35

an all-star ensemble, including Eileen Brennan, Tim

43:38

Curry, Madeleine Kahn, Christopher Lloyd, Michael McKean,

43:40

Martin Mull, and Leslie Ann Warren. The

43:43

theatrical release included a gimmick that, depending on

43:45

what showing you went to, gave you a

43:47

different ending, one of three different endings, and

43:49

that is kind of why it didn't do

43:52

so well, one of the reasons. But before

43:54

we get to that, Jonathan Lynn was a

43:56

celebrated British TV writer and theater director that

43:58

was pulled in by to write

44:00

the script with Landis originally set to direct

44:02

the film and he sort of paints it

44:05

up. Apparently he was, it was wild like

44:07

he was jumping on furniture and kind of

44:09

almost feels like in my head I picture

44:11

the Tim Curry frantic movement kind of monologue

44:14

and he's setting all this stuff up and

44:16

he's like and then the butler says and

44:18

I know who did it and then Lynn

44:22

is like well who did it? He was like

44:24

that's for you to figure out. That's

44:26

what Jake was referring to Ed by. Number

44:29

one rule. Number one rule

44:31

on how to write a murder

44:33

mystery. Like the thing I've never

44:35

taken a course but like the

44:37

one thing every idiot knows is

44:39

you write the ending first and

44:41

work your way back. Yes absolutely.

44:43

That's literally and like fucking Landis

44:45

didn't do it. Landis

44:48

was hired by a woman

44:50

named Deborah Hill who kind

44:52

of is a legendary

44:54

figure in like independent cinema. She

44:57

worked with John Carpenter on Assault

44:59

on Precinct 13 and later went

45:01

on to co-write the first Halloween

45:04

movie. A lot of like the

45:06

Laurie Strode story is like based

45:08

on her life experience. Even Haddonfield,

45:11

New Jersey is her hometown. Like

45:14

it's all like you know she then

45:16

worked on The Fog with John Carpenter.

45:19

Escape from New York, Escape from LA. Like

45:21

she was like this outsider that

45:23

had like kind of found her

45:25

way into the movie business and it

45:27

was something about

45:29

the idea of doing a clue

45:31

movie. It was her who got

45:34

the rights from Parker Brothers for

45:36

the film and just according

45:38

to the documentary Who Done It? which you

45:41

can watch on YouTube. She had all of

45:43

these ideas like she was down with

45:46

this farcical Kind of

45:48

the board game but it's playing out on

45:50

a movie theater. She Had this image of

45:52

like a detective laying out his theories on

45:55

a board in the movie and asking the

45:57

audience directly like who do you think did

45:59

it? I she had ideas

46:01

about like having people fill out forms

46:03

in the theater and like trying to

46:05

solve the Mr. Adams. kind of like

46:08

the notepad in the game. It was

46:10

this wilde idea. She had a theater

46:12

background so like. The. You know,

46:14

having fun with the audience in a

46:16

theater setting is like that could work.

46:18

In fact they'd like existed as day

46:21

stage editions of Clue where the audience

46:23

gets to solve the murder and the

46:25

play changes depending on the audiences are

46:27

deductions. But. He was

46:29

just dislike. It was just kind of

46:32

a weird like mess of ideas that

46:34

she then hands over the John Landis

46:36

to actually write and direct and make

46:38

happen. And John Landis has his own

46:41

weird ideas. And. There's

46:43

no right. Or this whole process started

46:45

in like Nineteen Eighty One and the

46:47

movie doesn't come out still. Nineteen Eighty

46:49

Five. Pretty. Much on the

46:51

back of the fact that no

46:53

racketeer could figure this thing out

46:55

among the people asked to write

46:57

this film. Before. It landed in

46:59

Linz hands. Was. "Or Tom

47:01

Stoppard, yeah, I know who you

47:03

might know from Rosencrantz and Gildenstern

47:05

are dead", he wrote, one of

47:07

the first major like. Locked.

47:10

Room mystery parody movies. That's why

47:12

he was asked. And. I

47:14

he he. Couldn't figure it

47:16

out. I. He actually went

47:18

back and returned the check which he

47:20

was like i'm sorry I hug you

47:23

and Universal can figure this out. I've

47:25

never had to do this. I've always

47:27

finished writing gigs, This. Is the first

47:29

time I've been thoroughly stumped. Another.

47:31

Writer that was asked to do stuff. Was.

47:34

Worried Manzi who I wrote are

47:36

two versions of the script weren't

47:38

meant the actually wrote the played

47:41

The Perfect Crime which is literally

47:43

the longest running play New York

47:45

City History. he did this

47:47

whole like break are worried just like

47:50

i was like a serial killer inspired

47:52

by the board game clue so like

47:54

he would send the police like the

47:57

colonel mustard card the rope card in

47:59

the light card and then, you

48:01

know, the next day a guy named

48:03

Jack Mustard died at the New

48:05

York Public Library by strangulation. Like that was

48:07

his, he was like doing seven shit and

48:10

they were like, no, Deborah wants

48:13

it in the manners. She wants like it to

48:15

be like the, once she wants the board game,

48:17

she wants the board game, but a movie. And

48:20

he couldn't figure it out. They even

48:22

asked the fucking musical

48:24

darling, Stephen Sondheim. And

48:28

former, not former, but you

48:30

know, Norman Bates psycho actor,

48:32

Anthony Perkins, because they made

48:34

the film The Last of Sheila, which

48:36

was a great Who

48:39

Done It mystery film from 1973, which

48:41

I'm actually super excited

48:45

to watch because I've been like, now I

48:47

want to watch a real like

48:49

murder mystery. Right. I, you know,

48:52

something pre-glass onion. You know what I

48:54

mean? Yeah, totally. Anyway, they

48:56

turned it down supposedly because they wanted

48:59

more money. So like with

49:01

nowhere else to turn, Lynn was like,

49:03

I guess I'm writing it myself. And

49:05

did have, I think it's

49:08

like incredible at their ability

49:10

to put this thing together, much less conform

49:12

to the studio and John Landis stipulation that

49:14

there would be multiple endings. This was originally

49:17

I saw that this is a studio demand.

49:19

That's what Lynn said, but I also read

49:21

it a different way that it was actually

49:23

John Landis's demand. But either way, Lynn said

49:25

in hindsight, if that was not my first

49:28

movie, I never would have gone with that.

49:30

But it was his first movie and he didn't want

49:32

to like balk at the studios or didn't feel or

49:34

really he actually even said, I just

49:36

went along with it because I thought they knew what they were

49:38

talking about. And then you quickly realize

49:40

like, oh, studios like say make crazy demands or

49:43

suggestions and you have to say no to like

49:45

most of them and you want like the thing

49:47

to be good. So that was

49:49

a lot of what it was. So but

49:51

in the movie, he lays out like British

49:53

TV culture and American or

49:55

an American movie culture are very

49:57

different because at a meet. with

50:00

like ITV, you know,

50:02

the executive would be like, what have you got for us?

50:04

And John and Lynn would just be like, well,

50:07

like our little idea kicking around, you might

50:09

be interested. And they'd be like, ooh.

50:12

But like, if you did that in America, they'd be

50:14

like, what do you mean a little

50:16

idea? I want a big idea. I want

50:18

money. Fuck you. Tell me this thing. He

50:20

also decided to make it a period piece

50:22

because of just the format and set it

50:24

in the McCarthy era, a time where, you

50:26

know, those big red scare and everything going

50:29

on with communism. And that was a great

50:31

time of paranoia where everybody might have like

50:33

something to hide or something that they were

50:35

like could be blackmailed for during that time.

50:37

It was very smart, I

50:40

think, period to put it in. And then he

50:43

got miraculously gets the script done. It's time

50:45

to cast it. And Lynn said, I

50:47

chose the people who I thought were

50:49

right for the parts that made me

50:51

laugh. I didn't know who most of

50:53

them were. I didn't know they were

50:55

famous. I'd seen Christopher Lloyd in Taxi.

50:57

I'd seen Madeline Kahn in many films.

50:59

I was thrilled that she wanted to

51:01

be in it. But Tim Curry, I knew

51:03

from my school days, we'd known each

51:05

other since he was 12 and I

51:07

was 14. He always said he became

51:09

an actor because I became an actor.

51:11

Nobody else in our school ever became

51:13

an actor since then. And so he,

51:15

Tim Curry, like really looks up to Jonathan

51:18

Lynn and like holds him in a

51:20

huge reverence. And since has been so

51:22

sweet about, you know, when people, there's

51:24

like a panel, like

51:26

kind of a convention-style panel where he's

51:28

asked like, what's your favorite movie

51:30

you've been in? And his first answer is, well, Clue

51:32

was definitely one of them, you know,

51:34

to great applause. And I,

51:36

again, I think it's one of my favorite

51:38

Tim Curry films for sure. Not me. Legend,

51:41

baby. Give me that big

51:43

red horny Tim Curry. Mmm, that's

51:45

a nice spicy chunk of devil man. One little

51:47

twist is Carrie Fisher was actually supposed to play

51:49

Miss Scarlett, but she ended up having to go

51:51

to rehab right before shooting took place. It's very

51:53

funny too, because Jonathan Lynn again, very British, doesn't

51:55

really understand the Hollywood thing. He was like, everyone

51:58

in Hollywood at that time seemed to to have

52:00

a hay fever. They were always like

52:02

rubbing their nose and sniffling and stuff.

52:04

And Carrie Fisher was absolutely doing that

52:06

quite a lot and ended up going

52:08

to rehab for cocaine addiction, among other

52:10

things. And she would be like, no,

52:12

no, I'll leave the rehab

52:15

during the day and shoot scenes and then go

52:17

back at night. And he was like,

52:19

OK, sure. Again, so just

52:21

like naive. And then the studio

52:23

was like, the insurance for

52:26

that would be ridiculous. Like, what are you talking

52:29

about? He ended up casting Leslie and Warren

52:31

instead. He was actually a friend of Carrie

52:33

Fisher's and was like jumped on

52:35

the part, but also was kind of knew what

52:37

was going on and was definitely feeling pretty bad

52:40

for her friend during that time. But

52:43

yeah, they get the cast together. It's

52:45

a really awesome group. And on the first

52:47

day of rehearsal, Jonathan Lynn, he puts on

52:49

a movie. He puts on his Girl Friday.

52:51

And he declares it would be that. It

52:54

would be a screwball noir. That was

52:56

what he was shooting for. Michael McKean

52:58

said, we were on the same page

53:00

as the level of farce we were

53:02

doing. Comedy is comedy, but farce is

53:04

what happens on the worst day of

53:06

your life, which I love that quote.

53:09

They also filmed most of it on

53:11

sound stages. Oh, another one that was

53:13

cool was the lady who played Miss

53:15

Peacock. I'm forgetting her name. Eileen Brennan.

53:17

They were watching it. And

53:20

Eileen Brennan, who also was just coming off

53:22

of Big Sten and rehab for painkillers from

53:25

a car accident, she had suffered. Watching his

53:27

Girl Friday? Just getting into

53:29

the movie. Like, it was kind of

53:31

her big return to acting after some

53:34

setback. She was watching it and

53:36

said out loud, see, this was before the

53:38

method, referring to method acting, when people just

53:40

said the line. They just talked. And

53:43

I thought that was kind of cool. They kind of

53:45

all knew what this would be, kind of a little

53:47

bit of a throwback in terms of performance style and

53:49

all that kind of stuff. So they all kind

53:51

of got it. They were all ready to rock.

53:53

They dug it. And so they end up also,

53:55

I think this really helps the shooting. This was

53:58

definitely like, oh, yeah, that makes so much. sense

54:00

for why it feels the way it feels.

54:02

They were able to film it on sound

54:04

stages at Paramount and they were able to

54:07

shoot pretty much all of it linearly.

54:09

So it really did feel to them like

54:11

a stage play, like a farce, you know.

54:13

It had that and also they could like

54:16

evolve their characters as the

54:18

shooting went on. And also they didn't

54:20

really know the, I believe some said

54:22

they had the endings in their script,

54:24

others said they had no idea who

54:26

did it until they got to the,

54:28

that part of shooting. So there was definitely

54:30

a little bit of that going

54:32

on as well. A little mystery for themselves. And

54:35

apparently the vibe on set was just great.

54:37

Lot of fun. Everyone just feeding on each

54:39

other's choices, laughing like mad at what folks

54:41

were doing. I have one piece of casting

54:44

that I think is fun.

54:46

Sure. Mr. Body himself was

54:48

played by Louis Bing from

54:51

the hardcore punk band Fear.

54:53

He was chosen as a

54:55

direct studio fucking dictate,

54:57

which is weird because they

54:59

wanted a rock star. They

55:01

wanted like an

55:04

entity who was like hot with the

55:06

kids and they ended

55:08

up with leaving from fear.

55:11

And he's

55:13

got a certain way of talking. He's

55:15

not a really classy gentleman. And

55:17

that's not his voice in the movie. They ADR'd

55:20

all of it. Oh really? I was going

55:22

to say he did a pretty good job, but

55:24

that's hilarious. Who was the voice

55:26

of the ADR? No, nobody knows. That is

55:28

hilarious. I always felt like I was like

55:31

learning about the fear thing. I was like, oh,

55:33

he actually did a pretty good job. But if

55:35

they had a fully ADR, his voice out, that changes

55:38

it a little bit. But yeah, they were having

55:40

so much fun together on set that they had

55:42

a mantra essentially before each take, they would have

55:44

to repeat to themselves, like it back in a

55:47

character. They'd have to go, all right, something terrible

55:49

has happened. Because

55:51

they were just having so much fun. Lynn said, I had

55:53

the board on my desk and I tried to work out

55:55

who would be where and who would be the murderer. It

56:00

was very complicated because everything that I

56:02

shot had to be susceptible to being

56:04

logically correct for the four endings. That's

56:06

right, there were four, we'll talk about

56:08

it, that were asked for by the

56:10

studio. That meant that

56:12

every version of the scene, I had to

56:14

be very careful who was in it and

56:16

more importantly, who was absent from it because

56:18

they could have been committing a murder at

56:21

that moment. And it is such a fucking game

56:24

of chess, man. That is really, really, really tricky.

56:26

Yes, and there was a fourth ending. It was

56:28

cut from the film just because it was kind

56:30

of boring and uninteresting. They had the butler do

56:32

it. And the butler did it. The

56:35

bottington. Yeah, the bottington. The butler did it

56:37

is kind of the most rote kind of

56:39

trope. He could not be the perfect

56:42

butler. He could not be

56:44

the perfect husband. So I

56:46

would be the perfect murderer was his little

56:49

speech. Okay, this is another.

56:52

I am not saying Clue is a bad

56:54

movie. I am just saying I loved

56:57

it when the lady from the Go-Go's was

56:59

the singing telegram girl. That was great. Yeah,

57:02

that was cool. But a

57:04

mystery, a good murder mystery is

57:07

rewarding when they represent

57:10

the clues and you go,

57:12

ah, I should have figured that out. He

57:15

was right there the whole time. There's some great

57:18

feeling of knowledge

57:21

and revelation in

57:24

a well-constructed murder mystery. So when you say, oh,

57:27

there's three slash four endings and

57:29

they all could be true depending

57:31

on random chance, that's like kind

57:33

of it kind of like make

57:35

like, I think that

57:37

was that's another thing that like, I'm like,

57:39

ah, but I understand this is a parody.

57:41

This is a farce. Yeah, not an actual

57:44

whodunit totally makes it so. Like

57:47

elusive in that way. And that really and I

57:49

bet we would have had more of that if

57:51

the studios hadn't forced him to come up with

57:53

four different endings. I

57:55

think we would have had that. That would have been

57:57

a much stronger element in the movie for sure. But

58:00

I loved the multiple endings thing. I loved Wayne's

58:02

world for that. I loved clue for that I

58:04

was a sucker for that gimmick back in the

58:07

day. I loved the multiple ending big for some

58:09

reason I just it just made my head spin

58:11

to see that there were like three different realities

58:13

three different outcomes at least the way And

58:16

at least the way that the the

58:18

movie at home did it They gave you

58:20

all three and they even give you

58:22

some satisfaction with but here's what really

58:24

happened your card I feel like that

58:26

says hey We presented

58:29

you the two other endings that we presented in

58:31

the theaters just so you could know them but

58:33

if you really needed like Canon

58:35

ending here is what we're saying is the

58:37

cannon ending where essentially everybody done it right

58:39

or most of them done it I actually

58:42

I think it would help the movie if

58:44

they brought in those like little silent movie

58:46

cue cards Uh-huh earlier really would have helped

58:49

like set the tone like yeah, we are

58:51

doing old-timey hot chachachachach Yeah, kind of like

58:53

four rooms or whatever. Yeah, though Surprisingly

58:56

most the movie was direct from the script. Of course.

58:58

There was plenty of improv You already

59:00

mentioned the big one Madeline cons flames inside of

59:03

my face Apparently she asked Jonathan Lynn if she

59:05

could improvise something before doing the take Jonathan was

59:07

like sure but we also have to get what's

59:09

in the script and Literally

59:11

like it got applause From

59:13

the cast and crew after she did it

59:15

though what you're seeing in the movie By

59:18

the way is the second take because literally

59:20

everyone broke including Madeline Kahn herself during the

59:22

shooting of the first take and He

59:25

was so he was so like in love

59:27

with it Everybody was the Jonathan Lynn himself

59:30

forgot to film the actual scripted lines because

59:32

he was just so fucking and of course

59:34

I mean come on It's it's it's now

59:36

this like with stood the test of time

59:39

like most quotable Thing I mean if you

59:41

bring up Madeline Kahn Usually someone in the

59:43

room goes flames on the side of my

59:45

face or if you bring up the movie

59:48

clues Someone does that at some point. So

59:50

the film is released on December 13th 1985

59:53

it was as we mentioned a

59:55

box office bomb and and this was

59:57

largely attributed to that multiple ending gimmick if

59:59

you By the way, you would see the showings

1:00:01

that would say it was showing A, B, or C. So

1:00:03

you would know, you wouldn't just blindly be

1:00:06

going in hoping you were going to see a different

1:00:08

ending if you'd already seen it. You would know which

1:00:11

version of the movie you were seeing in

1:00:13

that sense. So the whole idea that, you

1:00:15

know, Jonathan, or yeah, Landis

1:00:17

explained, he was like, in my head,

1:00:19

it was this great plot to

1:00:21

get people to see it multiple times. It was

1:00:24

our ploy or whatever. They

1:00:26

would love the movie so much the first

1:00:28

time that they would have to come back

1:00:30

and see it again in the theater to

1:00:32

see how it ended differently. This is from

1:00:34

Roger Ebert's actual review of Clue from 1985.

1:00:37

I hate his review of Clue. Go on. The

1:00:40

way Paramount is handling its multiple endings is ingenious. They're

1:00:42

playing each of the endings in a third of the

1:00:44

theaters where the movie is booked. If this

1:00:47

were a better movie, that might mean you'd

1:00:49

have to drive all over town and buy

1:00:51

three tickets to see all the endings. With

1:00:53

Clue, though, one ending is more than enough.

1:00:55

I so disagree with his review. He's so

1:00:58

like, none of the jokes hit. I'm like,

1:01:00

well, now they now people quote this movie

1:01:02

all the time. But anyways, it

1:01:04

kind of had the opposite effect. People were so

1:01:06

like bogged down by the concept of it. The

1:01:09

way they were like, like a bad one. Yeah.

1:01:12

What if I see the bad one? I want to see the good

1:01:14

one or, you know, and they just never not able to figure out

1:01:16

which one to choose. They were just

1:01:18

like, fuck it. I'm not going less like

1:01:20

by this time, by 1985, anybody who even

1:01:22

remembered like the age of the theater gimmick

1:01:25

looked at it as like a bad

1:01:27

thing that like you didn't need scratch

1:01:30

and sniff cards and 3D glasses. We

1:01:32

were well into the new Hollywood blockbuster.

1:01:34

We were in a post Spielberg post

1:01:37

Coppola world where we didn't have to reduce

1:01:39

to such chaudry trick and add to more

1:01:41

of the mess of it. Think about this.

1:01:44

Different critics were given different

1:01:46

versions of the. Oh, yeah.

1:01:48

To review. So like

1:01:50

one critic, by the way, that Madeline Con

1:01:53

flames inside my facing, I believe happens in

1:01:55

the true. Only

1:01:57

one of the only one of the innings. You don't even get

1:01:59

that iconical. moment as a film critic

1:02:01

unless you got ending C in

1:02:04

your like press packet or what it's

1:02:06

just so crazy. John the Lin did

1:02:09

make sure though he was adamant

1:02:11

with the studios on the home video

1:02:13

release which happened in 1986

1:02:15

that they would throw in those

1:02:17

title cards that you see and

1:02:19

they would give the viewer all

1:02:21

three endings in one singular release

1:02:23

and luckily that happened because if

1:02:26

that hadn't happened this movie might not have the

1:02:28

cult status it has. Lin actually by the way

1:02:30

did not mean for the communism was just a

1:02:33

red herring line to be in all three endings

1:02:35

and it always kind of bugged him which is

1:02:37

very funny because viewers love it right? I mean

1:02:39

we were watching it for a Sunday Study Session

1:02:42

patreon.com for such wizardry. The first time you're like

1:02:44

oh yeah red communism okay. Yeah right. Then the

1:02:46

second time you're like that's funny and then by

1:02:48

the third time it is. Everyone's quoting it. When

1:02:51

we did the watch along

1:02:53

of it for a Sunday Study Session everyone was like

1:02:55

quoting it by the end going like communism

1:02:58

was a red herring and while

1:03:00

this movie's performance was a big

1:03:02

hit to John Lin's career at

1:03:04

least I will say A it

1:03:07

came back around and people really found the love

1:03:09

for it and even though he

1:03:11

didn't really get much work for several

1:03:14

years he has a huge comeback

1:03:16

a big redemption arc with my

1:03:18

cousin Vinny which he directed several

1:03:20

years later and was obviously one

1:03:22

Oscar and was beloved and still

1:03:24

is it a wonderful film. He then has

1:03:27

a second fall with greedy but we're not

1:03:29

gonna that's a downer we're not gonna talk

1:03:31

about that. Yeah and it's just really miraculous

1:03:33

you know I already told the tale of

1:03:35

why this movie you know I am I

1:03:37

am the perfect subject for this

1:03:40

movie becoming a cult classic. I must

1:03:42

have seen it ten times at least

1:03:45

at home growing up just bored you know

1:03:47

what I mean and every time it came

1:03:49

on it was like it was it was

1:03:52

like oh hell yeah clues on today

1:03:54

like I'm in good hands today like

1:03:56

we're just gonna enjoy this movie on

1:03:58

a rainy Saturday afternoon. and let's get

1:04:00

the popcorn out and it's gonna be a nice

1:04:02

time. I like this quote

1:04:05

from John Landis, box office success is

1:04:07

wonderful and that's what everyone wants. But

1:04:09

as we all know, lots of shitty

1:04:11

movies are huge hits and lots of

1:04:13

great movies fail. You know Peter Bogdanovich

1:04:16

famously said, the only true test of

1:04:18

a movie is time. That's the best

1:04:20

thing about movies. They still exist. Jonathan

1:04:23

Lin said, I get so much fan

1:04:25

mail about Clue. More than

1:04:27

anything I've ever done, more than my cousin

1:04:29

Vinny, more than all my television work in

1:04:31

Britain. More than Sergeant Bilko and the whole

1:04:34

nine yards? More than anything, I'm amazed

1:04:36

by it. And it's really kind of

1:04:38

touching and great. And so

1:04:40

many of the people who were in it,

1:04:42

you know, Michael McKean, everybody talks like so

1:04:45

lovingly about that movie and they were so

1:04:47

happy when people come up to them and

1:04:49

like quote lines from it. And they're also

1:04:51

always so like blown away like, how do

1:04:53

you know these lines from this movie, this

1:04:55

flop? You know what I mean? And it's

1:04:57

just really cool. I'm glad that it has

1:04:59

seen the success. I think especially in the

1:05:01

internet age with like memes and, you know,

1:05:03

YouTube and stuff, I feel like it's really had an

1:05:05

even more of a resurgence. Perfect

1:05:08

midnight movie. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

1:05:11

Also, oh yeah, and they did start shadow

1:05:13

casting it just like Rocky Horror. Oh yeah.

1:05:16

And Tim Curry said that it really reminded

1:05:18

him of Rocky Horror's success in the way

1:05:20

that people would quote it. But yeah, they

1:05:22

would, actors would perform in front of the

1:05:24

movie in character and

1:05:26

all that stuff, which is fun. People,

1:05:28

it works so well because of the

1:05:31

singular setting and the character based like

1:05:33

dialogue and the physical comedy. There

1:05:35

are tons of stage productions of

1:05:37

the film now made,

1:05:40

which is unlike, Holden, I

1:05:43

don't know why this keeps happening. There

1:05:46

was a musical. It was

1:05:48

off Broadway in 1997. It

1:05:51

was supposed to be a family

1:05:53

friendly theater experience, not based

1:05:55

on the movie original plot. And

1:05:58

I don't quite know mechanically how. this

1:06:00

was supposed to work, but the

1:06:02

audience would vote on who did

1:06:04

it at the end of like

1:06:06

the second act and then the

1:06:08

third act would be different depending

1:06:11

on the audience vote. I remember

1:06:13

some about that. Yeah, some shaky

1:06:15

demo recordings you can find on

1:06:17

YouTube. I listened to it

1:06:19

the whole way on a drive with

1:06:22

Marie this week. We were groaning

1:06:24

audibly the entire time. April,

1:06:26

if you could play a little

1:06:28

bit from corridors and halls

1:06:31

from Clue the Musical demo recording.

1:06:34

It's just oof. Well,

1:06:57

it's the beer. My heart's

1:06:59

a-dancing. It's the beer. I'm

1:07:04

gonna kneel. Oh,

1:07:09

the doors are closed. Oh, finding it

1:07:11

is fair. A secret

1:07:13

passageway. See

1:07:16

somewhere. Awful, but uh-oh.

1:07:18

Who did it? Why did it gonna do

1:07:20

it? Rope and the wrench

1:07:22

and the ripe and the hub. Alright, just

1:07:24

a palate cleanse. April, head it! Here

1:07:27

we go. All

1:07:29

the family. All

1:07:32

the party. You all the first two

1:07:34

to join and two. Get

1:07:37

hands together if you're on

1:07:39

a clap. I'm from the day

1:07:42

bathroom. It's funky rap.

1:07:45

Hey, hey. It's

1:07:48

funky. You see a up the

1:07:50

punch. You know him.

1:07:53

It was Donkey Kong. With

1:07:55

a banana. With

1:07:57

a coconut gun, please. Jig, it

1:07:59

fires in spurts. Like my

1:08:01

penis time. Alright. Please,

1:08:05

guys. Starting, I believe, in

1:08:07

1991, on ITV in

1:08:09

England, there was a Cluedo game

1:08:12

show, slash sitcom?

1:08:14

It was a very bizarre thing. You can find

1:08:16

lots of episodes on YouTube. Basically,

1:08:19

it was a half-hour, televised,

1:08:23

mini-murder mystery, acted out by a

1:08:25

cast of character actors, including former

1:08:27

Doctor Who Tom Baker, as

1:08:29

Professor Plum. The

1:08:32

contestants, after watching a

1:08:34

fifteen minute little, like, scene, would

1:08:36

then have to guess who the murderer

1:08:39

was, based on the information in the

1:08:41

televised episode, and then

1:08:43

they could interview the actors in

1:08:45

character to try and suss

1:08:48

out more information. They would then make

1:08:50

accusations, find out how much they got

1:08:52

correctly, and it would play out like

1:08:54

a game of Clue, but it was

1:08:57

also a weird, shittily, cheap, televised,

1:08:59

murder mystery show, but also a

1:09:01

game show. It's surreal. It is

1:09:03

a weird thing. But that

1:09:05

was another adaptation. Well, as we close things

1:09:07

out, Jake, this is the point where I

1:09:09

feel it was Kismet. It was destiny

1:09:11

for us to record this episode at this exact time. First

1:09:15

of all, to set the scene, yes, there's been talk of a remake. Fox

1:09:18

attempted one that sounded like a pretty cool

1:09:20

project. In 2016, it was going to be

1:09:22

Ryan Reynolds starring in a version of it

1:09:25

with Jason Bateman set to direct it, or

1:09:27

at least in talks to direct. That

1:09:29

fell apart, but I couldn't believe this when

1:09:32

I Googled yesterday, Clue, movie,

1:09:34

remake, or whatever, and it

1:09:37

popped up literally an article from

1:09:39

Deadline two days before we

1:09:42

had this recording session. And

1:09:45

it was stating that Sony Pictures

1:09:47

secured the rights for a Clue

1:09:49

remake. Now, it's not

1:09:51

too surprising that that happened. I still

1:09:53

think it's amazing that that was announced

1:09:55

two days before we did this episode,

1:09:57

and at the same time, and we

1:09:59

even actually got it. got news that

1:10:01

Margot Robbie is set to produce a

1:10:04

Monopoly movie, which we kept screaming should

1:10:06

happen because of how similar

1:10:08

to us the story of Monopoly was

1:10:10

to some of the kind of stuff

1:10:12

going on with the Barbie movie. Literally

1:10:14

you could just do a note-for-note like

1:10:17

Barbie is to feminism as Monopoly

1:10:19

is to capitalism and you would get

1:10:21

all the millennial money you could ever

1:10:23

want. It's like right there or

1:10:26

even just make it a like make the

1:10:28

Monopoly movie like a heartbreaking

1:10:30

tale of like the the woman

1:10:32

who created the game and how

1:10:34

she got boned by the greedy

1:10:36

people that like usurped her original

1:10:38

message of like human solidarity. Or

1:10:40

just like you know I could

1:10:43

also see like a big musical

1:10:45

moment like boardwalk, boardwalk, boardwalk, I

1:10:47

love you! You know what I

1:10:49

mean? Something like that. I'm just

1:10:51

hat, nobody plays me what of

1:10:53

that. Yeah I'm not

1:10:55

as fun as a race

1:10:58

car or a cannon or

1:11:00

a terrier. I'm

1:11:02

just hat. If I had an

1:11:05

ass it would be flat. I'm

1:11:08

definitely still singing

1:11:10

and not covering for

1:11:12

Holden. Sorry

1:11:16

I had to bust in from from Winnie.

1:11:18

Fucking Kool-Aid man. Well I was hearing a knock on the

1:11:20

door I thought maybe it was Lexi but it was no

1:11:22

it was just Winnie tried to get in on the action

1:11:24

here but this recording. Father

1:11:26

let me I wish to make

1:11:28

content. But I hope that the

1:11:30

Clue remake isn't trying to do

1:11:32

any of that and is just

1:11:34

trying to like create another really

1:11:36

fun updated like glass onion style

1:11:38

but more in a comedy more

1:11:40

leaning into the comedy like

1:11:42

ensemble work that you know we got with

1:11:44

the original but with like new you know

1:11:48

fresher up-to-date actors and all that kind of

1:11:50

stuff. Yeah I don't know I'm

1:11:53

not opposed to it I think they could

1:11:55

if they remember like what made the original

1:11:57

so charming I think that they could probably

1:11:59

pull. something off that was pretty fun. And

1:12:02

it does seem like an obvious

1:12:04

studio decision based on A, the

1:12:06

success of Barbie, and B, the

1:12:08

success of Knives Out and Glass

1:12:10

Onion. As well as Hasbro's kind

1:12:12

of insane recent turn

1:12:15

as, they just

1:12:17

are accepting we don't sell toys. We

1:12:19

have IP. And that

1:12:21

is what our money is going to come from,

1:12:24

selling that IP. Well, there

1:12:26

you have it. That is our episode

1:12:28

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1:12:30

I certainly did love seeing that movie.

1:12:32

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