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1:28

Who is your friend that likes to play ping-pong

1:30

ping-pong is rockin makes a yell hooray ping-pong ping-pong

1:32

Who's the best in every way and wants to

1:34

sing? Yeah,

1:37

my favorite character Bing-bong I love

1:39

this guy Richard kind is the

1:41

goat my dude now I haven't

1:43

finished the movie yet hold and

1:45

I just hit pause to record

1:47

this podcast But I

1:49

cannot wait to see what's in

1:51

store for this Beloved cool character

1:53

that is just making me feel

1:55

all the innocence and happiness of

1:57

my child. Yeah, you just you

2:00

joke Jake but I was in shambles

2:02

well before the big bong incident in

2:04

that film. I was in

2:07

shambles. I burst out crying

2:09

when Imagination Land started falling

2:11

apart because I had

2:13

never felt so understood. April, April can

2:15

you just put in the background Michael

2:18

Giacchino's bundle of joy track? If you

2:20

can just add that to what Holden

2:22

is saying right now. I'm sorry continue.

2:26

I just I've never felt

2:28

so seen and heard and understood

2:30

on such a profound level

2:32

than watching this what

2:35

should have been a

2:37

goofy Pixar film about

2:39

silly emotions. This

2:42

this movie I you

2:44

know I think we all have a thing

2:46

like this like like Riley does in the

2:48

film at some point there's this like turning

2:50

point you know for me I I

2:53

switched schools halfway through fifth

2:56

grade which is already a

2:58

little jarring. I mean I was supposed to only switch

3:00

schools I was supposed to switch schools from fifth to

3:02

sixth and I went from a public to

3:04

a private school which is weird enough but

3:06

it wasn't even switching in fifth grade. I

3:08

found pretty quick friends in fifth grade in

3:10

the new school like it was weird. I

3:13

was definitely like it was definitely different from

3:15

what I was used to but I was

3:18

happy for the change because we were going to do

3:20

it at the end of fifth grade but my teacher

3:22

at this public school was like a replacement teacher for

3:25

the years the other one like died

3:27

or so I don't know what happened we had some like

3:29

last minute switch hitter teacher

3:32

replacement who and she had no idea what

3:34

was going on like she just wasn't

3:36

teaching it was crazy like she just was lighter

3:39

to how she ended up there I think they

3:41

just found her on the street and put her

3:43

in a classroom and told her to

3:45

control you there with the shopping cart how

3:47

do you like to be in charge of

3:50

several children it was so weird and so

3:52

that was fine I was

3:54

kind of maybe okay with that but then I

3:56

will always remember what it felt like to go from fifth

3:59

grade to sixth grade. grade. Like it's something

4:01

that's very important to me now as a

4:03

parent with Winnie that I'm like bracing myself

4:05

for because that was kind

4:07

of traumatizing for me. Like I

4:09

was a very imaginative kid, I

4:12

loved to play, I loved comic

4:14

books and TV and I

4:17

just loved being goofy and silly and to

4:19

have to go from like I remember everything

4:21

about it was was like what the fuck's

4:23

going on like immediately it was you don't

4:25

sit in one classroom all day with the

4:28

same people and kind of create

4:30

this very cozy environment. No, no, you're like nomads

4:33

now. You've got your locker now. A loud bell

4:35

sounds and you've got to run as fast as

4:37

you can. You've got to like go from class

4:40

to class and there's these lockers and there's weird

4:42

politics around the lockers, there's weird politics

4:44

around the lunch hall and who sits

4:46

where and all of a sudden it

4:48

was like um what the fuck are

4:50

you doing you're not allowed to pretend

4:52

to be Wolverine anymore you need to

4:54

care about girls and cliques and being

4:56

cool and it was the era

4:59

of grunge so it was like you need

5:01

to come off like you don't care as

5:03

hard as you possibly can about anything. I

5:05

love this image of a bunch of 11

5:07

year olds trying to act like they have

5:09

existential ennui. Dude it was we all had

5:11

to like be all like Kurt Cobain man

5:13

he had it right man you know what I mean

5:16

and it was fucking traumatizing for me

5:18

and of course like right

5:21

out the gate I'm awkward I'm you

5:23

know my skill set is being funny

5:25

it's bad at sports a

5:27

lot of the stuff we're about

5:29

to find out happened with Pete Doctor

5:32

as well the director of Inside Out

5:34

and just was very alienated very quickly

5:37

and you know of course immediately

5:39

had a crush on a

5:42

girl that was totally it's funny to say

5:44

this but you know in terms of the

5:46

lunch table set up and everything completely out

5:48

of my league and I like didn't understand

5:51

that you don't have to just have one

5:53

crush on one girl and decide that she

5:55

is the only one for you and so

5:58

all of middle school I pine for this girl and

6:00

sent her notes and

6:02

did the... I

6:04

always talk about how awful Valentine's Day was every

6:07

year because you either had roses or balloons and

6:09

you could spend money to gift someone

6:12

roses or balloons and I would never

6:14

have any and all the popular people

6:16

would have fistfuls of them. It

6:19

was just such a representation of

6:21

how lame and unloved you are

6:23

every single year. Just everything about

6:25

it. You're talking about hierarchy. You're

6:27

talking about the moment. The moment

6:30

where you are just this carefree,

6:33

just individual in a group

6:35

of family and children and

6:37

then whether it's in fifth

6:39

grade or first grade or

6:41

just something happens where

6:43

all of a sudden a hierarchy

6:45

has been established and now you

6:47

have to navigate it and it

6:50

introduces all of these... It

6:52

just creates this first layer

6:54

of socialization of complication to

6:56

what, if you're lucky enough,

6:59

is a very blissfully happy,

7:01

simple life. In

7:04

the subject of this week, we're talking

7:06

about Pixar's Inside Out. I

7:09

have a very similar story. I feel like

7:11

everybody listening, if you are down

7:13

with our presentation of

7:15

pop culture history, you probably

7:17

have some sensitive kid that

7:19

was threatened or receiving swirlies

7:21

in your background. But yeah,

7:25

no, the fact that the instigating

7:27

incident is a move. The fact

7:29

that the entire arc

7:32

of this movie is

7:34

about the increasing complexity

7:37

of emotions, the catharsis,

7:40

the absolute beautiful catharsis. I have to

7:42

assume you've watched this movie by now.

7:44

It has been a classic for how

7:46

many years now? Up to almost 10

7:48

years. A

7:51

memory can now be sad and happy

7:53

at the same time and that represents

7:56

a concrete step in

7:59

adulthood. It's just every

8:01

single bit of it is so relatable.

8:04

And how many times, like this is

8:06

one of the greatest achievements that a

8:08

creative work can have, where you

8:10

are trying to speak to your own

8:12

experience and the human experience and having

8:14

millions of people laugh

8:17

and cry alongside it and just

8:19

like, you know, mutter under their

8:21

breath. Like it do be

8:23

like that sometimes. Like that's an

8:25

incredible thing to do. One

8:27

of the things about the making of this movie that

8:29

I found so interesting is the

8:32

entire Pixar process. I think we've

8:35

only covered the Toy Story movie

8:37

where they are going by the seat of their pants.

8:40

They are just like trying to get the computers to

8:42

turn on. And now this

8:44

is the brain trust at full capacity

8:46

at the height of their power taking

8:49

six years with one simple idea and

8:52

actually crafting it into a movie that

8:54

can affect so many people. And

8:56

another thing that is

8:59

kind of making this movie, especially

9:01

the sequel that is coming out as we're

9:03

recording this is the fact

9:06

that Pixar is kind of in this shaky

9:08

zone right now. Pixar

9:10

is no longer the unflappable

9:13

giant, you know, the new Disney

9:15

where everything they touch turns to

9:17

gold. And a lot

9:19

is riding on Inside Out 2. Like

9:21

the entire trajectory

9:24

of this legendary animation house

9:27

could fundamentally shift if it turns out

9:29

this movie is a flop, which

9:32

is also tying into the movie

9:34

theater narrative, which is tying into

9:36

everything. Obviously, nobody

9:38

liked Lightyear, which is it

9:40

was a $200 million disaster for the company.

9:44

I think more than that. It

9:46

was a massive flop. And

9:48

then there was movies like

9:50

Soul, Luca and Turning Red,

9:53

which I really loved actually

9:55

even onward, I think

9:57

was also part of the COVID

9:59

Streamy. Disney Plus era

10:01

of Pixar. And those didn't make

10:03

any money in theaters because it

10:06

was available for streaming and nobody

10:08

went to the theater for it, to

10:10

the point now where Pete Docter, the man

10:12

responsible who was there from the beginning, part

10:14

of the, you know, he was there at

10:16

the legendary $40 lunch where they actually

10:20

hashed out all their movies

10:22

after Toy Story has actually

10:24

gone on record in a

10:26

article on Bloomberg and said

10:28

that like, you know, a lot

10:30

of these movies like Elemental

10:32

and Turning Red didn't make a lot

10:35

of money, maybe because they focused too

10:37

much on the director's immigrant family experience.

10:39

And if we want to keep the

10:42

studio alive, we got to focus more

10:45

on sequels and established IP

10:47

and stuff that people are

10:49

already familiar with, which is

10:51

insane because Lightyear was

10:53

the movie that lost the most money

10:55

post COVID. Like that was the one

10:57

that they were like, here you go,

11:00

more Toy Story, but it's weird and

11:02

dark and different and poorly constructed as

11:04

a film. And that's what

11:06

got people mad. So within this

11:08

individual story, within this real... And

11:11

gay love as well, of course. I

11:13

pretty... What was it in this one? I

11:16

think it was just like a shoulder pat,

11:18

a light peck on the cheek in a

11:20

montage. It was not... Anyway. Well,

11:22

everybody has to get mad at everything

11:25

now with stuff like that. But I

11:28

guess the poor attention when talking

11:30

about Inside Out is

11:32

how thoroughly human

11:34

this story is, how

11:36

universally appealing and resonant

11:38

this movie has been

11:40

with anybody who watches it

11:43

and how it was the part

11:45

of a massive amount

11:47

of highly mechanized,

11:50

highly refined corporate...

11:53

And I'm not using corporate like a

11:55

derogatory thing, which I do often. I

11:57

will yield that point. This.

12:00

Was a very deliberate, very

12:02

iterative. Very like, Highly

12:05

precise. He's. Machine.

12:07

At work to make this story. And.

12:10

Now. The. Machine itself

12:12

is in jeopardy and it's

12:14

fate Will write. Will Ride

12:16

on How. Many. People come

12:18

out and see. Inside out

12:20

to. I mean that worries me

12:23

that because we're at a time when like none of

12:25

the one up seed fury oh third out of I

12:27

think it's it's a bad time for people go out

12:29

to see. It. Out below of of

12:31

little it'll be different with inside Out to

12:33

I'm excited for it. I am of course

12:35

as well as as has done some different

12:38

people involved things like that it's a sequel

12:40

to a movie that I do it and

12:42

I guess is it is kind of a

12:44

no brainer if you really like it at

12:46

that it would get us Igor. There's so

12:48

much you could do based on all of

12:50

the elements they introduce in that first movie,

12:53

especially once they start jumping into other people's

12:55

emotional states and. All. Around the town

12:57

and why I can be even the credit

12:59

cigarettes jumping into like the dogs emotional needs,

13:01

the cats and or Edu just go out

13:04

as such a world here that's that he

13:06

could explore. And of course there's more than

13:08

five. Emotions rather five core

13:10

emotions. So. Yeah. There's is

13:12

this a lot you could do with

13:15

it, but man this movie I mean

13:17

cocoa. I gotta give the shoutout to

13:19

do it because it really is the

13:21

most upsetting tear fit, tear filled a

13:23

movie. I mean goto is like I

13:25

should have had spoken. Warning.

13:27

In the beginning of it like on is like

13:29

ours get fucked by that maybe but I also

13:31

have one. All of them have their that's I

13:33

have it's a cotton as that thing in the

13:35

beginning up until the end up. As I think

13:38

of the beginning, there's elements, a toy Story three.

13:40

But. Inside Out and Cocoa fucking

13:42

cut to the core of me

13:44

as a human being and that

13:46

they're on another level with big

13:48

stars. Emotional may be manipulated as

13:51

and. The. I you know and again

13:53

though I it is such an interesting

13:55

time of human development. It's. Really

13:57

When you you you start to

13:59

really. Really be like challenge them

14:01

live assuming that you had. That.

14:04

You know, ideally if you had the

14:06

kind of childhood any everyone is as

14:08

his deserves. That. This is the first

14:10

timer. Yeah, I really started to deal with. You

14:13

know not. Not. Wanting the necessarily

14:15

get out a bad every day or or not

14:18

when he to go to school and and be

14:20

around my peers you know and I remember there

14:22

was a stretch a timer. I was like we

14:24

always have to have something to look forward to

14:27

and that thing is the computer lab at the

14:29

end of the day where you can sit for

14:31

like thirty minutes with your friends and the computer

14:33

labs. then it really was the thing right? New?

14:35

Even how depressing that actually was to that I'm

14:38

the only part of my day that I liked.

14:40

Was. Thirty minutes and computer labs. Nice.

14:42

until I found never apologized, Never apologize

14:45

for how fucking awesome it was. After.

14:48

Shoveling shit, In. Social

14:50

Studies in Algebra and getting your

14:52

fucking brain hemorrhage during a dodge

14:54

ball game. You. Guys, sit down

14:57

and play some goddamn number. Monsters

14:59

are some Oregon trail. Nadia,

15:01

Yeah to go sit down and download pictures.

15:04

The Green Day and Primus. Oh and

15:06

better. Much less supervision than I did. Yeah,

15:09

I absolutely have is great out I was

15:11

the thing those old the of at you

15:13

could go there and they just like weren't

15:15

keeping tabs on a level that they really

15:17

should have been and you could just sit

15:20

in the corner. the rents. well let's get

15:22

intuit enough without us and our our our

15:24

deep deep struggles with middle school. Let's talk

15:26

about Inside Out the coming of Age Pixar

15:28

Films Produced by Jonas Rivera. Directed by Pete

15:31

Docter. that's probably the most important name you're

15:33

gonna hear our with the screenplay co written

15:35

by Doctor Magma, Fall Of and Joss Cooley.

15:37

The. Film stars Amy Poehler, Fellas Smith, Richard

15:40

Kind, Bill Hader, Lewis Black, Mindy Kaling,

15:42

Diane Lane and Kyle Mclachlan. I didn't

15:44

realize are bad as it with the

15:46

Island. We got a cousin which is

15:48

I'm loving how Mclaughlin of course when

15:50

pigs even when Cooper is the dad

15:52

is the dad. And if the Us

15:54

sinners like and Cari the film series

15:56

run the inner life of a girl

15:58

named Riley with the remote. Personified

16:00

as she takes with the first steps.

16:03

Towards. Growing up. So. Cyclists?

16:05

Are you a Peter Doctor? I think it's

16:07

the most important major player here. In.

16:10

Order to tie going inside out or we

16:12

gotta talk about doctors. A part of pigs

16:14

are from the very beginning pretty much which

16:16

allows us to Kids Also talk about pigs

16:19

are up to this point A very big

16:21

leah really. You. Get the full education

16:23

of pigs sars like time wine I think

16:25

as honor and a larger scale with the

16:27

to our Toy Story series so of like

16:29

you want to go listen that is worth.

16:31

That. That might be a good family. We're

16:33

not going to mention how they did the

16:36

The Genesis, our graphics and yeah it's a

16:38

nice Star Trek to the our now did

16:40

I'm that when I guess I'm out how

16:42

they almost lost all of Toy Story Two

16:44

ata it is. It's never been. One.

16:47

Person who had it on like a hard drive.

16:49

who brought i remember how the leave. Yeah yeah.

16:52

I. Will want when I had somebody that

16:54

that's all in the Toy Story series that

16:56

I will to say doctor. Let's

16:58

go back to Before the doctor grew up in

17:00

Minnesota. Bit. Of a loner opting to

17:02

play in the creek by his house

17:04

using his imagination to do supply pretend

17:06

to be Indiana Jones kid after my

17:08

own heart. He also added imaginary friend

17:10

name Norman and according to doctor he

17:12

was quote a small elephant the drone

17:15

our hearts I would imagine him driving

17:17

up and around. It was a way

17:19

of filling the time I knew was

17:21

not real but it was still fun

17:23

to just imagine. Most importantly in fifth

17:25

grade his parents picked up and moved.

17:27

The. Move the fam, not not just

17:29

to another state, another city, another school,

17:31

Move them to Denmark. The not

17:34

only is he out of places do

17:36

a buyer but he literally cannot give

17:38

you communicate. With. The people around

17:40

them and the kids. it's got a

17:43

by the way I'd be if you

17:45

really have to take out up with

17:47

a look at this man p Dr

17:50

Dr spelled with in not not like

17:52

ah hello doctor I like giant giant

17:54

ears head the safety of a time

17:57

when all pill just long just long

17:59

and round. At the same time

18:01

v goofy smile like I can just

18:03

imagining him poking at his dinner plate

18:05

in Denmark as his parents are like

18:08

what is the matter Peter, you haven't

18:10

touched her forefront brock. Legs.

18:12

Just completely all he wants to

18:14

do is pretend to. To

18:17

pretend to do movies on a frozen

18:19

lake and now he's is completely out

18:21

of his element like you're just you're

18:23

breathing, your breeding that solitary cartoonists. This

18:25

is how this happens. Doctor.

18:28

Was the ad dabs Hulu Li? that guy

18:30

that kid that that quiet lanky awkward kid

18:32

and then at middle school head and he's

18:34

really struggling during that time. he said I

18:36

just didn't really have friends, I didn't know

18:39

how to engage with people. I was kind

18:41

of shy and ganglion awkward and so I

18:43

would escape and draw in my room. I

18:45

think that's really there is my got an

18:47

enemy's you me as had something I wanted

18:49

to say but I didn't know how to

18:52

speak to people. And. He

18:54

also had a really rough boys change

18:56

apparently other came with puberty that that

18:58

I added to the bullying that abbott

19:01

him he was bad at sports. Sorry

19:03

for this will force the eat out.

19:05

Very shy and so just. Bullied.

19:08

A lot. Not socially accepted by the

19:10

tribe. Add on, you have to understand

19:12

those Danish bullies. They're They're bigger. I

19:14

have, they're They're practically Viking. Completely like

19:17

they are. The pill is if if

19:19

research. Fellow

19:21

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some reason, he said, I sympathize with

23:21

girls more than boys. The social stuff

23:24

really stressed me out and it still

23:26

does. After high school, he

23:28

went to the University of Minnesota for

23:30

a year and then transferred to the

23:32

California Institute of the Arts. His animation

23:34

short, Next Door, won him a student

23:36

Academy Award. Then he made two more

23:39

titled Palm Springs and Winter. Do you

23:41

watch any of these? Because I managed

23:43

to find a copy of Next Door

23:45

on YouTube and it is uncanny how

23:47

much Pixar is in there.

23:49

The animation is very smooth and

23:51

is very based around simple colors

23:54

and shapes. There's a square

23:56

man who lives in a cubic

23:58

house and everything the perspective

24:01

is on point, everything is very

24:03

stark, hard edges, and he's

24:05

trying to watch TV after a long day at

24:07

what I can only assume is a bad

24:10

time at the shape office, and

24:12

outside is a little blonde girl playing

24:14

with her imagination, making a lot of

24:16

noise. And at one point she's

24:19

playing with a doll, but then she thinks the doll is

24:21

a hammer, and at one point she thinks the doll is

24:23

a musical instrument. She's just making lots of noise, and

24:26

at a certain point the square,

24:28

angry little guy softens his heart

24:30

after being annoyed at the noise

24:32

and joins her in a recital

24:34

where he plays the kazoo because

24:36

her childlike wonder has reignited his

24:38

own sense of play, and it's

24:40

very cute. But this

24:43

early on in Doctor's creative

24:45

career, he already has a

24:48

keen eye for color, shape,

24:51

like the movement of the camera. It's

24:53

all hand-drawn, but it could have been

24:55

CG at the time, which is really

24:57

fascinating. It's just like everything

25:00

from Monsters, Inc. to

25:02

Up, to Inside Out, and even

25:05

Soul. A real telltale

25:10

aspect of Doctor's work

25:12

is this focus on strong shape

25:15

and color in the

25:17

characterization. Sully

25:19

is this big square-shouldered, reliable

25:21

guy. Mike Wasowski

25:24

is this spindly, round,

25:26

nervous creature. The old

25:28

man from Up is square. His wife

25:30

is all pair and curved. Shape is

25:32

super key

25:35

in how he communicates character and emotion

25:37

in his films, and that started all

25:39

the way back when he was a

25:41

student at CalArts. It's really fascinating to

25:43

watch. And while at

25:45

CalArts, I just got so lucky with

25:48

this, John Lassiter over at Pixar hits

25:50

up his former classmate, Joe Rampt, who

25:52

was teaching at CalArts at the time

25:54

for any recommendations. Anyone who could work

25:56

over at Pixar would be a great

25:58

fit for him. for what they were trying to

26:01

get going over there. And Ramp recommended

26:03

Doctor, who was a former student of his.

26:05

This is 1990. Doctor

26:07

Joins is the third animator on the

26:09

team ever. And with such a small

26:11

group, they have 10 employees

26:13

at the time, Doctor found a warm animation

26:16

home. He said, growing up, a lot of

26:18

us felt we were the only

26:20

person in the world who had this weird

26:22

obsession with animation. Coming to Pixar, you feel

26:24

like, oh, there are others.

26:26

Finally, he's accepted into a

26:28

tribe that is Pixar.

26:30

And from there, Doctor ends up

26:32

being one of the three main

26:34

screenwriters behind Toy Story. He directs

26:37

Monsters, Inc. and co-wrote and

26:39

directed the critically acclaimed Up with the

26:41

main character, a social outcast, the old

26:43

man who wants to shy away from

26:46

society and be on his own. He

26:48

models that character after himself. During

26:50

this time, he also has

26:53

two kids, Nicholas and Ellie, and that's

26:55

where Inside Out comes into play. Pete

26:58

Docter said, the idea kind

27:00

of started with me just thinking about what would

27:02

be fun to see in animation. What

27:04

have I not seen? For some reason,

27:06

I got thinking about the human body

27:09

and realizing, well, I've seen like traveling

27:11

through the bloodstream and into the stomach

27:13

and things. Well, what if we did

27:15

this in the mind as opposed to

27:18

the brain? So instead of blood vessels

27:20

and dendrites, what if it was consciousness

27:22

and dream production? And that

27:24

would allow us to have characters that

27:26

represent emotions. And that felt

27:29

like, man, that's exactly what

27:31

animation does best, strong, opinionated,

27:33

caricatured personalities. And that just

27:35

got me excited. This concept

27:37

was paired with his own real life experience

27:39

in raising a little girl as he saw

27:41

the change in her at the age of

27:43

11. Docter said, the

27:46

kid in Up was a lot like my

27:48

doctor at the time, full of energy and

27:50

goofiness. And then, yeah, 11. But

27:53

it was pretty quick, like, oh, she's really

27:55

different now. They're still children, and they want

27:58

to be there, but they see it. adulthood

28:00

and they want to be there. So

28:02

they're completely in this weird teetery space.

28:05

Doctor couldn't help but constantly wonder during this

28:07

time, what exactly was going on in her

28:09

mind? I can't agree with that more. I

28:11

have such a strong memory of that time

28:13

of feeling like, you know, I remember

28:15

like my first report card in sixth

28:18

grade was all Fs and Ds.

28:20

It was like a mid semester report card,

28:22

thankfully. So it wasn't going to like affect

28:25

the year's grade necessarily, but I,

28:27

and I was, I was shocked.

28:29

I couldn't believe my parents were

28:31

like, what the fuck? Like I went from a

28:34

student, whatever in like fifth grade

28:36

to just completely lost. Like I

28:39

didn't know, I just, I

28:41

wasn't aware, you know, it was like, it just

28:43

happened like a light switch so

28:46

quickly where I just went from feeling like a

28:48

part of the world and even maybe the center

28:50

of the world to alienated from

28:52

it. And totally, totally lost. I mean, I would say

28:54

I'm still a little lost if you really backed me

28:56

into a corner, but you know, we're all doing our

28:58

best. Oh yeah. I'm a

29:01

fucking dog. I'm a beast, you know, uh,

29:03

that should be old yellard. I'd say every

29:05

now and again, you know what I mean?

29:07

Hold it. No, hold it. No, nobody's getting

29:10

old yellers. I repeat. Nobody

29:12

is getting old yellered on my watch.

29:14

There might be somebody right now. We

29:16

don't, it's a big world. That's all

29:19

I've got to completely. Doctor

29:21

actually had a lot of ideas. You

29:23

know, this is part of the Pixar

29:25

process is that, uh, these

29:28

creators are kind of

29:30

always shopping around for basic

29:32

ideas that can be developed

29:34

into these blockbuster movies. And

29:36

so, uh, it was actually

29:38

in spring of 2009 where

29:40

doctor is like basically in front of

29:43

a panel of what is known as

29:45

the Pixar brain trust, which at the

29:47

time would have had John Lasseter at

29:50

cat mall. Who is the other co-founder

29:52

who was like a computer scientist who

29:54

was very, we talk about him and

29:56

our Toy Story episode, but he was like the Lasseter

29:59

was like the. Animation guy, Ed Catmull

30:01

was like the tech guy and together they

30:03

were like trying to start this but also

30:05

Andrew Stanton who was behind

30:07

Finding Nemo and Finding Dory, Brad Bird

30:10

who did The Incredibles and Ratatouille and

30:12

Lee Unkrich who did Toy Story 3

30:14

as well as Coco. So like here

30:16

are the guys like this is a

30:18

closely knit circle that were there from

30:21

pretty much the beginning who

30:23

kind of have to decide what they're gonna

30:25

dedicate their resources to and Doctor

30:28

pitched a couple of ideas and

30:31

it was the brain idea that got

30:33

the approval that Of all

30:35

the things they pitched at the very least what

30:37

if your inner life had an inner life? Which

30:40

is the usual Pixar formula? I

30:42

remember at the time people were like I think

30:44

Pixar is running out of what if

30:47

things had an inner life ideas if your

30:49

own brain had an inner life like Like

30:54

okay, we did cars we did toys

30:56

we did monsters we did everything now

30:58

we're just doing What

31:01

if people? But

31:03

Disney also Approved the

31:05

basic idea to kind of make

31:07

it you know They're like, all right We give you

31:10

permission to work on this because by this point Pixar

31:12

had been acquired by Disney and

31:14

it was officially chosen in

31:16

October Greenlit

31:18

as one of Pixar's eight ongoing

31:20

projects at the time if

31:23

you understand the timeline of Pixar movies Right

31:26

now the studio was mostly focused on getting

31:28

Toy Story 3 out the door which

31:30

was gonna be released in 2010 You

31:33

know in terms of the structure in

31:35

mind the subject that's starting to form

31:38

the next step though is really doctor

31:40

trying to figure out Okay, I've got

31:42

this format this idea of like yeah

31:44

the exactly the inner life of the mind But

31:46

what am I trying to say and doctors said

31:49

that presented itself pretty early and it was we

31:51

want to be happy in life as Parents we

31:53

want our kids to be happy in life, but

31:55

that's not the reality of life So

31:57

how are we going to deal with it? We can try to push

31:59

it away and triumph over it, but that's

32:01

pointless in the end. So we have to

32:03

embrace it. We had that as a

32:05

general concept. He came to this, in fact,

32:08

that joy can only exist in accordance with

32:10

the existence of sadness. But how is he

32:12

really finding this? Well, in order

32:14

to find all of this, he had to turn to science.

32:17

He had to actually start to

32:19

study the science of the mind.

32:21

I think this is the most

32:24

fascinating part of this research of

32:26

this, hopefully this episode, is him

32:28

approaching the Greater Good Science Center

32:30

at the University of California, Berkeley.

32:32

It's described on their website as

32:34

studying, quote, the psychology, sociology, and

32:36

neuroscience of wellbeing, and teaches skills

32:39

that foster a thriving, resilient, and

32:41

compassionate society. And also, we help

32:43

people old yellers yell. And

32:45

I was like, wow, that was crazy. Yeah,

32:47

that was wild. First of all, there's one

32:49

clinic in Switzerland if you really want to

32:52

find people who's like, old people who's like,

32:54

yeah, of course. Step

32:56

into the booth. Sweet and Denmark,

32:58

horrible places. Just stay

33:00

away from them, all right? I've heard nothing

33:02

but bad things about these. They don't have

33:05

enough sunlight to want to live, Holden. It's

33:07

just, actually, no, Switzerland, I

33:09

think, is fine. I think that's fine. They

33:11

got clogs and all sorts of stuff. But

33:13

specifically, they worked with two folks named

33:15

Dasher Keltner and Paul Ekman, two

33:17

of the leading minds in the

33:19

study of emotions. They met

33:21

Pete Docter at an Association for Psychological

33:23

Science Conference. They were actually there, unrelated.

33:25

They were there on a

33:27

panel with Docter to talk about how

33:30

Pixar films portray emotion. And Docter called

33:32

them up sometime later to actually discuss

33:34

inside out with them. Dasher

33:36

Keltner said, my involvement really had a couple

33:38

of different pieces. One was to

33:40

visit Pixar and meet with Pete's core creative team

33:42

and just talk about science, talk about what we

33:45

know, talk about the brain, talk

33:47

about expression. Second was answering Pete's emails,

33:49

which he literally still sends me to

33:51

this day, where he asks me really

33:54

specific science-based questions, like what is

33:56

joy in terms of psychology? And

33:59

here's what Keltner says. about what the film

34:01

nails in terms of the science. Quote,

34:03

one, emotions are really critical to how

34:05

we look at the world. Our

34:08

perception and our attention and our memories and

34:10

our judgment. They guide us

34:12

in our handling of really important

34:14

life circumstances, like moves and developmental

34:16

changes. The second thing is more

34:19

subtle to perceive in the movie. And

34:21

it's something that we've been arguing for in my lab. People

34:24

in different traditions like to refer to

34:26

emotions with a social idiom or a

34:28

grammar of social interactions. Emotions

34:30

are the structure, the substance of our

34:32

interactions with other people. Riley's

34:34

personality is principally defined by joy.

34:37

And this is fitting with what

34:39

we know scientifically. Studies find that

34:41

our identities are defined by specific

34:43

emotions, which shape how we perceive

34:45

the world, how we express ourselves

34:48

and the responses we evoke in others.

34:50

And that's where you see joy is

34:52

like the leader of Riley's mind, like

34:54

kind of the one the most in control, the most

34:56

in the driver's seat. Whereas when we jump to other minds

34:58

and we'll get to more on that in just a little bit,

35:01

we see that they are driven by other

35:03

of the core emotions. Not

35:06

everyone has joy in the driver's seat. And

35:08

those are the kinds of things they don't

35:10

outwardly try to like tell you

35:12

in the movie, that they really

35:14

just try to get across visually.

35:17

Oh, I remember a ton of,

35:19

at least this was during the

35:21

Tumblr era, I think where a

35:23

lot of inside out analysis I

35:25

was ingesting. But people being like,

35:27

if you notice the mother's dominant

35:29

emotion is sadness. Of course, the

35:31

father's anger. Riley's like has to

35:33

get out of that house. Get out of the

35:36

house, Riley. So again, I really

35:39

have to emphasize, all they have is

35:42

the okay to pursue the idea

35:44

of starting to make this

35:47

brain movie idea. Like

35:49

there's very little established. And

35:52

so Pixar's teams of concept

35:54

artists are also rapidly

35:57

churning out idea after idea after

35:59

idea. I'm talking about artists

36:01

like Ralph Eggleston. I'm talking about artists

36:03

like Ricky Niereva and at a, you

36:05

know, they're even just down to like,

36:07

what shapes are the emotions? And

36:10

there's so many different, like

36:12

not even faces, just is

36:14

disgust a triangle? Is disgust shaped

36:17

like a tree? Is sadness a

36:19

teardrop? Is sadness a

36:21

hunched over ellipses? Is

36:23

joy like a star? Is joy

36:25

a firework? Like they

36:28

are even on a

36:30

fundamental level, just trying to get

36:32

the base visual language down. Is

36:34

the inner, do new memories sprout

36:36

like a tree or are they

36:38

delivered like a factory? Like is

36:40

the headquarters, uh, is it cozy

36:42

like a comfy quilt or is

36:44

it cold and mechanical? Like before

36:47

we even get to story beats, they

36:49

are just trying to get the barest

36:52

idea of what this like movie will

36:54

even look like on screen. Doctor

36:56

has talked about how a

36:59

huge part of the process of

37:01

making a movie at Pixar is,

37:03

you know, the fundamental understanding

37:05

that you're not just creating character, you're

37:07

not just casting characters for a movie.

37:09

These are going to be mascots. These

37:11

are going to, you know, these characters

37:13

are going to appear in Disney world

37:15

parks, in merchandise. Like if the characters

37:17

don't have an innate appeal, then

37:20

your movie is going to falter.

37:22

So everything's being considered. It's,

37:24

it's really just like how

37:26

looking at the early concept art,

37:29

it's very interesting what this movie didn't

37:31

look like and how they whittled down

37:33

and refined ideas, pick stuff up and

37:35

like left it on the living room

37:37

floor. There was a whole run where

37:39

Joy was going to have like this

37:42

flowing, like kind of wispy cloud

37:44

hair, like, uh, other people were

37:46

talking about like trying to make

37:49

her as if she was made of champagne bubbles.

37:51

Which is kind of what they did with

37:53

the particle effects on this movie. But all

37:56

like studying the

37:58

nature of the brain. studying

38:01

industrial aesthetics, studying all of

38:03

these things in parallel, all

38:05

creating this loose form of

38:07

concepts and visuals and

38:10

science that they then have

38:12

to coalesce into a film is

38:14

what I found really fascinating. It's not like Pete

38:17

Docter just sat down and was like, once upon

38:19

a time there was a girl named Riley, but

38:21

she's actually the setting of this film. It's

38:23

kind of amazing how Pixar

38:27

will just do a gut check on the

38:29

core idea first. That's the first step. And

38:32

then now they have to figure out

38:34

how is this a movie. Yeah. Pete

38:36

Docter said, well, what we do is we

38:38

have a script, of course, but for us,

38:41

writing is also like storyboarding. It's drawing. So

38:43

we will cut all these drawings together with

38:45

music, sound effects, and dialogue, and we screen

38:47

this kind of stick figure version of the

38:49

film. We can sit with Lee Unrich

38:51

and Andrew Stanton and all the other folks and

38:54

experience what the film is going to be like.

38:56

And then we go away into a room and

38:58

we talk about what worked and what didn't. And

39:00

then we take all of those findings and we

39:02

do the whole process again. And

39:04

it's about a three month process every screening. And

39:06

that way we have seven or eight chances at

39:08

the film before we have to actually build the

39:10

models, build the sets, do the animation, all that.

39:13

I think that's a real key to the way

39:15

we make films. I mean, he describes a whole

39:18

process where like last minute, for the

39:20

longest time, it was supposed

39:22

to be joy and fear together

39:24

as the buddy movie. Right. It

39:27

was not going to be joy and sadness. And

39:29

it wasn't even centered around a move for a

39:31

while. It was centered around her wanting to

39:34

get a part in a play, auditioning

39:37

for like the school play, I believe it was.

39:39

And that was going to be the centerpiece of

39:42

all of the emotional issues. Right.

39:45

So all of those things are being changed

39:48

and altered way

39:50

down the line in the process. And then

39:52

they're constantly going back. And it was

39:55

several years. Right. How many

39:57

years did this process take for Inside Out? I think it was three

39:59

to five years. Six. Six. Six between the

40:01

actual green lighting. Yeah. So it's

40:03

great. Yeah, it's actually,

40:05

you know, within

40:08

five years, they're still

40:10

just trying to figure out what the

40:12

sets look like. Within four years, they're

40:15

trying to figure out, like,

40:18

finalize the characters, even. You

40:21

mentioned the fear subplot. If you

40:23

go on Disney+, there are

40:25

tons of deleted storyboards without the

40:27

final voice actors, where it's

40:30

like, fear and joy

40:32

are like almost at each other's

40:34

throats trying to take control of

40:36

Riley during, like, some of

40:38

the climactic scenes where they're trying to get

40:40

back. Within three years, they

40:42

finally have the character designs. They're finally,

40:45

like, getting the storyboards and music together.

40:48

Within two years, they'll finally,

40:50

like, start casting people, which is its own kind

40:52

of thing. Do you have a thing on the

40:54

casting? Yeah, yeah. We can get to casting, and

40:57

I definitely still have more on the ciencia. I've

40:59

got a bunch more on the science. Oh, OK.

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42:04

within these brain trust screenings, while

42:06

they were going through these storyboarded

42:08

placeholder audio versions of the movie,

42:11

one thing kept happening, which

42:13

is nobody really liked Joy.

42:15

Yes. Joy was actually kind

42:18

of annoying because she just

42:20

had a relentless positivity. And

42:22

it wasn't until they cast

42:25

Amy Poehler that like

42:27

she actually brought and worked with Doctor

42:30

to like kind of explain that like,

42:32

no, no, no. Positivity is something

42:34

you have to fight really hard to

42:36

maintain. It's something that is

42:39

like, if it comes effortlessly, you think

42:41

somebody's on drugs. He thinks that there's

42:43

something wrong with someone and

42:45

Poehler kind of really helped reach

42:48

that like battle that Joy is

42:50

constantly having in the movie to

42:52

like take bad news, take bad

42:54

events and just like hunker

42:56

down and try and find the right thing

42:58

to do with it. This is of course,

43:01

after so many other emotions

43:03

had been tested and gotten rid of,

43:05

I think the initial, there

43:07

was like concepts for up to like

43:09

29 different emotions. Yeah.

43:13

That they narrowed down. Another character that

43:15

was cast was Phyllis Smith

43:18

of The Office who completely changed

43:20

how they had kind of been

43:22

characterizing sadness at

43:25

that time. And they kind of switched her over to

43:28

the form we see her with like

43:31

the hair drooping over her face, the

43:33

sweater, and this like, you know, not

43:35

malicious, but like very honest and real

43:38

characterization. Doing research on Phyllis Smith, I

43:40

didn't realize this. She was never supposed

43:42

to be in The Office. She

43:44

was a casting associate and the

43:47

original director. And she had appeared

43:49

in like smaller roles for various

43:51

projects because she was involved in

43:53

the casting industry. But like this

43:56

star turn, I guess for her

43:58

was when the director of the

44:00

American office after hearing her in

44:03

so many line readings with other

44:05

cast members was like, damn

44:07

girl, you got real

44:09

soft-spoken tragedy in

44:11

you. I think we can use this. And

44:14

like she became an indispensable member of that

44:17

cast. And it like, really

44:19

just like her portrayal of sadness,

44:22

like she earned awards for

44:24

that. I think she got an Annie

44:26

for voice acting for her role. Like

44:28

the interplay between polar and Smith,

44:32

really just like you feel it. Like

44:34

each one is like, joy

44:37

is not 100% good 100% of the time. Sometimes it's a very willful

44:42

and delusional emotion that like has, you

44:44

have to fight to maintain. And

44:47

sadness is not just like a dark dog

44:49

that settles on your chest. It's like a

44:52

real cry for help. And then as

44:54

a part of becoming

44:56

a social being is being comfortable with

44:58

saying like, I don't feel great right

45:00

now. And I love what they did

45:02

with sadness and the memories. Ekman said,

45:04

scientific studies find that our current emotions

45:06

shape what we remember of the past.

45:08

This is a vital function of sadness

45:10

in the film. It guides Riley to

45:12

recognize the changes she is going through

45:14

and what she has lost, which sets

45:16

the stage for her to develop new

45:18

facets of her identity. And

45:20

also from Ekman about the usefulness of

45:22

sadness in life. He said, you

45:24

might be inclined to think of sadness as

45:27

a state defined by inaction or passivity, just

45:29

like you described, Jake, the absence of any

45:31

purposeful action, but an inside out, as in

45:33

real life sadness prompts people to unite in

45:36

response to loss. And I love that was

45:38

like one of the biggest like ding, ding,

45:40

ding moments for doctor was, was in one

45:42

of the big reasons why it was like,

45:45

no, it has to be sadness and joy.

45:47

Because sometimes you need sadness to

45:49

connect with people. But you know, and it kind

45:51

of reminds me of I always talk about my

45:53

super sad summer in my 20s.

45:56

I had just broken up out of a long relationship.

45:58

I was unemployed. I was I

46:00

was struggling with the comedy career

46:02

and I got together with a bunch of friends

46:05

who were going through similar stuff and we bonded

46:07

so heavily that summer. Just going out and saying

46:09

fuck it, we're going to have the best time

46:11

we can have even though we're all miserable. And

46:15

we all became so close

46:17

during that time and it was so important that

46:19

we had each other during that time. And of

46:22

course this hits home at the end when Riley

46:24

shares her deep sadness. Weird. I had my set

46:26

summer when I was in high school so I

46:28

reached out to people on the internet and

46:31

all those guys on 4chan said that it was hopeless and

46:33

that I should declare revenge against the system. Yeah, they just

46:35

said the N word a bunch and you were like alright,

46:37

I don't think this is going to work. I

46:40

was like, they were like, yeah, they were just like

46:42

just uninstalled. And I was like, we're not even playing

46:44

a game right now. What do you mean? They're like

46:46

old yeller and I'm like stop bringing it up. God,

46:49

you mentioned this by the way. The

46:52

structure of the idea

46:55

that each core memory is

46:58

then outputs to a core

47:00

facet of Riley's personality.

47:02

I had never thought of it in

47:04

that way before and it makes so

47:06

much sense. It's so fucking relatable that

47:09

your formative experiences

47:11

as you're growing up, it becomes part

47:14

of your identity in a way

47:16

that things get codified. Things

47:18

get like yes, I am this now. And

47:21

then as you grow up, sometimes those

47:24

core things switch out. Something else takes its

47:26

place and that part of you is lost.

47:29

Fuck, this movie is good. Yeah, yeah,

47:31

yeah, it's so good. Kaldur

47:33

and Ekman do believe there are six core emotions

47:35

when you get down to the nitty gritty of

47:38

it even though really like 15 to

47:40

27 you could argue to, but they had

47:42

to pare it down to core ones. But

47:45

originally it was joy, sadness, anger,

47:47

fear, disgust, and surprise. But Doctor

47:50

combined fear and surprise just for

47:52

simplicity's sake in the film. And

47:55

those are just the core ones of course like

47:57

we said, but you know there'd be just too

47:59

many cases. characters to handle, which is

48:01

fun because we're

48:04

kind of leaning into that with the sequel,

48:06

it seems, you know, with the addition of four new

48:08

ones. We'll get there in a little bit. But

48:11

these array of emotions are extremely important. Dasher

48:13

Keltner said, we know scientifically that a girl

48:15

Riley's age is going to lose a lot

48:18

of joy. They're going to feel sad.

48:21

They're going to really lose the sense

48:23

of self-confidence. They have this drop in

48:25

self-esteem. That's when they

48:27

see it are absolutely shell-shocked. And then

48:29

sometimes people are saying, maybe you should

48:32

put her on medication. But what

48:34

the film says is this is just part

48:36

of growing and it's okay. I feel that

48:38

is the most important message in the movie.

48:41

He also said, we have a naive view

48:43

in the West that happiness is all about

48:45

the positive stuff. But happiness is

48:47

a meaningful life and a meaningful

48:50

life is really about the full array of

48:52

emotions and finding them in the right place.

48:54

I think that is a subtext of the

48:56

movie. The parents want Riley to just be

48:58

their happy little girl. And

49:01

she can't. And she has to have

49:03

this full complement of emotions to develop. I

49:05

think we all need to remember that. This

49:07

is a weakness in Western culture and the

49:10

United States. You need sadness. You need anger.

49:12

You need fear. And this really

49:14

connected with me this week because I had had

49:16

an issue that I didn't

49:18

realize was affecting me so much until

49:21

I felt this anger. And

49:23

I was really doing this research and

49:25

realizing what's the anger telling you? Instead

49:27

of just getting lost in the fact

49:29

that you're angry and just

49:32

feeling upset about being angry, what is

49:34

the anger trying to communicate to me

49:36

about my life right now? You know

49:38

what I mean? And it really

49:40

helped me. And then I was able to lose

49:43

the emotion and go and deal

49:45

with it in a way that was not anger

49:48

filled. But I needed the anger to lead me

49:50

to the place in my head where I go,

49:52

this is a big deal to me. And

49:55

this is something that I'm trying to act like isn't as big

49:57

of a deal to me, but it is a fucking big deal

49:59

to me. I'm gonna go, you

50:01

know, handle it in a right mind and

50:03

I'm trying to follow the science that I've

50:06

been researching this week of like Let

50:08

the emotion actually don't be like scared

50:11

or upset about the emotion don't suppress

50:13

Acknowledge acknowledge let it guide you let

50:16

it tell you something Logical and then

50:18

like and then run with the logical

50:20

thing don't run with the emotion, you know But

50:22

that's the problem is I feel like also you

50:25

can't let those emotions that are guiding

50:27

you take over You know and then

50:29

that's that unless of course You're

50:32

a man who's been pushed too far and

50:34

you've got to take back what's yours, right?

50:36

Then you got to just go full John

50:38

Wickma, of course, you know not to get

50:41

too into stuff But I do notice a

50:43

lot of like older Let's

50:45

just say boomers or even people

50:47

in my generation that I see

50:49

complaining a lot about things online

50:51

And stuff, you know politics and

50:54

stuff, you know what I'm getting at But

50:56

but I see them do that and I'm like, I

50:58

know this isn't what it is You're

51:00

mad and I get that and you're attributing

51:03

it to this stuff But there's

51:05

something else definitely going on here and

51:07

instead of acknowledging like I'm angry And

51:09

I don't think it is actually about

51:11

these these political things that aren't actually

51:13

affecting my day-to-day life so actually so

51:15

if they let it guide them in

51:17

a proper way out there, I'll have

51:19

you know that a Representative

51:22

of the Walt Disney Corporation personally beat

51:24

down my door and kicked me in

51:27

the balls repeatedly and demanded that I

51:29

say Woke is God right and that

51:31

it actually happened and my anger is

51:33

just yeah There's one guy posting a

51:35

lot of very snarky very angry stuff

51:37

about what's going on and look I

51:40

get it There's things going on that

51:42

people I get if you're angry about

51:44

it But I can tell with this guy you wanted

51:46

to be a front man of a bit of a Creed

51:48

like band You gave up on

51:50

your dream and now you're just like a

51:52

workaday dad and although you love your family

51:55

You have fucking anger about it. You're mad.

51:57

I mean, it's always the dad. Yeah Well,

52:00

with dads especially, right? When I worked

52:02

at Dorkly, it was all, we had

52:04

like Facebook comment integration on all of

52:06

our articles. And without

52:09

exception, if somebody posted

52:11

something like truly like vile,

52:14

like this, like someone like there's, you know,

52:17

stuff like, I didn't like this article

52:19

or like, oh, it would have been funnier if

52:21

you had done this, someone just being like, I

52:23

am sick and tired of these fucking twisted people

52:25

making a mockery of everything. And you would click

52:27

their profile because it was linked to Facebook and

52:29

just every photo is just like tire

52:32

swing with the kid. And you're just

52:34

like, oh, you have, we

52:36

are an outlet. We are a vent

52:38

for you. Yeah. And I, you

52:40

know, even recently I was, I thought I was mad at a person

52:42

in my life and I

52:44

realized like, no, I'm actually

52:46

mad at this other thing. They just

52:48

kind of represent the anger, you know,

52:51

and they're actually not the problem and I'm miss,

52:53

you know what I mean? And so in other

52:55

words, this research really

52:58

fed me this week and man,

53:00

did they do such a good job of

53:02

incorporating the science of this emotional stuff into

53:05

the film in a way that can give

53:07

you, that can actually

53:09

make your life better if you're really paying

53:12

attention to what's going on in this movie

53:14

and make you cry a whole lot. Thanks

53:16

Bing Bong, go fuck yourself. Before we get

53:18

into the movies, like when they finalized it

53:20

in the release, can we talk a little

53:22

bit about Ronnie Del Carmen, the co-director? Please,

53:24

I know you need to for

53:26

reasons, Jake. Take it

53:29

away. So Pete Docter, very, you know,

53:31

nice guy, visionary guy, but he is

53:33

part of the all-important Pixar brain trust.

53:36

And so he's involved in a

53:38

ton of other different projects. He has

53:40

to approve a bunch of stuff. He

53:42

has to do interviews. He needs help

53:44

and he reaches out to a person

53:46

working at Pixar. He, you know, not

53:48

one of the OG guys. He came,

53:50

he came on in 2003. You

53:54

know, he's a young whippersnapper. He's

53:56

an upstart. But Ronnie Del

53:58

Carmen grew up in Cavite. in

54:00

the Philippines and has been

54:03

working in the animation industry for

54:05

decades. Weird

54:07

thing, he got a job in

54:10

1979 doing set decoration for Apocalypse

54:12

Now, which was filmed in the

54:14

Philippines when he was a teenager.

54:17

But he has an amazing

54:19

resume of insanely good animation,

54:22

even stuff that like, okay,

54:24

he worked on Batman the Animated Series and

54:27

Mask of the Phantasm as a storyboard artist,

54:29

which is one of the

54:31

most important jobs when you're

54:33

dealing with the quality and direction

54:35

of a piece of animation. You're

54:37

basically more important than the

54:40

screenwriter and director in a lot of

54:42

ways, because the actual moment-to-moment story

54:46

is happening in those

54:49

storyboards. He also worked

54:51

on Mighty Max as a

54:53

character designer, which if you follow the

54:55

cartoon dumpster, you know that Mighty Max

54:57

the cartoon is like a trillion times

54:59

better than any right to be. He

55:02

also worked on The Prince of Egypt and Road

55:04

to El Dorado. He

55:06

also worked on, well, I guess it's less

55:09

of a, you know what, horse girly, this

55:11

one's for you. He worked

55:13

as a story supervisor for Spirit Stallion of

55:15

the Cimarron. But when he

55:17

got hired by Pixar, he had to move his

55:20

family from the Philippines to

55:22

Los Angeles. And he was, you

55:24

know, he has

55:26

a very similar story to Doctor. He talks

55:28

about how he was an unathletic kid, that

55:30

he kind of felt like he was apart

55:33

from everything, that he felt apart from his

55:35

new surroundings in America. And he

55:37

noticed the same changes in his own children

55:39

that resonated with him and made him care

55:41

a lot about this movie. And

55:44

if you're wondering like, okay, so but why out

55:46

of all the people, which at, you know, up

55:49

to 200, 300, probably by the

55:51

time we got to Lightyear, 400 people working at

55:53

Pixar on any given movie, why was

55:55

he given the co-director chair? I'll tell

55:57

you. So,

56:00

funny, Del Carmen storyboarded

56:02

the fucking opening

56:05

scene in Up. Nice. Or, according

56:07

to Dr., he was the most

56:09

responsible for it. Nice, yeah. And

56:11

I feel like it is... That's

56:13

one of the greatest, like, short

56:16

sequences in film and

56:18

storytelling communication, like, for

56:20

sure. It's so... Obviously,

56:22

it's completely visual. What am I saying?

56:24

And it just gets... It cuts to the core...

56:27

I think that cut to the core would be

56:29

faster than anything else I've ever seen, just in

56:31

terms of a minute... You

56:33

know, CPS, cries per second.

56:36

Like, that dealt it out

56:38

the fastest. And it is

56:40

my belief that it is

56:43

Ronnie Del Carmen's involvement and

56:45

his eye and experience for

56:47

storyboarding and the effectiveness of,

56:49

like, just scene-to-scene images that

56:52

makes Inside Out one of the more powerful

56:56

movies within the Pixar...

56:58

It's not Cars 3. It's

57:01

not Monsters University. It's not Incredibles 2.

57:04

Like, Inside Out, I feel like, really

57:06

does stand out as a quality piece

57:08

of filmmaking because of Ronnie Del Carmen's

57:11

involvement. I think he was indispensable to

57:13

making this movie the quality product that it is.

57:16

Hell yeah. Well, getting into

57:18

it, let's talk about the

57:20

emotions in terms of design. Oh, and

57:23

he worked on Freakazoid. I completely skipped

57:25

over that. That's why I was most

57:27

excited about it. If you remember our

57:29

episode on Freakazoid, how amazing. Everybody down!

57:33

That was Ronnie Del Carmen. He

57:36

directed that episode. So, starting with the colors,

57:38

they first knew, rather, anger would be red

57:40

and joy would be a

57:43

golden yellow. And from there, they

57:45

color-coded the other characters. While that

57:47

is being blue, pretty obvious, they did go with

57:50

purple for fear more just because

57:52

it worked well with the other color designs.

57:54

They kind of balanced stuff out by basing

57:57

it off of what had already been there.

58:00

In the same shapes, anger feels like that oppressive

58:02

square. Fear is akin to nervousness,

58:04

and so they made him look like a nerve,

58:07

nerve-shaped, like in a body. Joy

58:09

felt like a star, and disgust

58:12

was triangular because it is pointed.

58:15

And sadness is done with the shape

58:17

of a teardrop in mind, but also

58:19

sadness is designed, was inspired by the

58:21

SNL character Debbie Downer, which will get

58:24

more into SNL's contribution to

58:26

this movie. It's actually more than you

58:28

would think. It's not just SNL

58:30

alums being voices. They were directly

58:32

involved. Anger was inspired

58:34

by Hades from Hercules, with disgust

58:36

inspired by Aubrey Plaza's character April

58:39

Ludgate in the show Parks and

58:41

Recs. So this is interesting. Of

58:44

all the characters, disgust really was

58:46

the hardest to nail down. Of all

58:48

the characters in the concept art, disgust

58:50

goes through the most iterations because they

58:53

really had this idea of

58:55

disgust being disgusting, covered

58:57

in warts or hair or claws. Disgust

59:00

was for the longest time this gnarly monster

59:02

person. And

59:06

the Aubrey Plaza thing was brought in

59:08

when they were like, we

59:10

need this movie to be a hit. We

59:12

are Pixar. We need to have a more appealing

59:14

design. We need something that kids would want on

59:17

a t-shirt. And it was the

59:19

idea that like, no, no, no, disgust

59:21

isn't disgusting. Disgust

59:24

is disgusted. Because to

59:26

feel disgust is to

59:28

feel above what is

59:30

happening, to feel like you should

59:32

avoid something because it will paint you. That

59:35

pretty girl is just like, ew, yuck, gress.

59:38

It's like that is the vibe. They nail it with

59:40

the character and of course Mindy Kaling absolutely

59:43

crushes it. They also, Bill Hader

59:45

did great as fear. Bill

59:47

Hader is the one who takes Doctor

59:49

and some of the team to SNL

59:52

to watch their process. And

59:54

this fed into the writing, especially with the

59:56

emotions and how a collaborative group works together.

1:00:00

Very, very interesting. So they were super inspired

1:00:02

even just by the process of SNL. Lewis

1:00:04

Black as anger seemed like a no-brainer for

1:00:07

the writers who had him in mind while

1:00:09

working on the script since he exemplifies

1:00:11

anger. I agree with them. If you

1:00:13

thought about anger and who to

1:00:15

cast, he's such a good one for that.

1:00:17

And Mindy Kaling, yeah, also

1:00:20

like Amy Poehler did some

1:00:22

writing contribution for the character.

1:00:24

And of course, Phyllis Smith we

1:00:26

have, we already said as

1:00:28

sadness. But it was

1:00:30

really funny. They talked about how Lewis Black,

1:00:33

do I have this quote somewhere? Oh, did

1:00:35

I not put it in here? There was

1:00:37

this great quote for Lewis

1:00:39

Black where apparently he would be

1:00:42

like in the studio and he'd start

1:00:44

getting like sluggish and stuff. And to

1:00:46

like get himself back into himself and

1:00:48

get himself back into like excited for

1:00:51

the work, he would have to start

1:00:53

complaining about like his trap, the

1:00:55

traffic issues he dealt with that day or something like

1:00:57

that. He'd be like, I'm back baby. Like at the

1:00:59

end of it, like you'd have to like, like

1:01:02

that's his natural state of being. Like that's

1:01:04

where he thrives. I mean, anger is his

1:01:07

driver. It was perfect casting in that sense.

1:01:09

For sure. Now in Inside Out 2, Bill

1:01:12

Hader and Mindy Kaling are not

1:01:14

coming back because they were

1:01:16

apparently this is, oh, is this variety reported

1:01:18

on this or Vulture

1:01:21

reported on this. Poehler got an offer to

1:01:23

come back for $5 million

1:01:25

as well as bonuses to

1:01:27

come back for joy. Bill

1:01:29

Smith and Lewis Black also reprised their role, but

1:01:32

Bill Hader and Mindy Kaling apparently

1:01:34

reportedly were only offered a hundred

1:01:36

thousand dollars each and negotiations broke

1:01:38

down. In the sequel,

1:01:41

Fear Will Be Played by

1:01:43

Buster Bluth himself, Tony Hale,

1:01:45

and Liza Lapeira, who

1:01:47

has been in a bunch of stuff, will

1:01:51

be discussed. Yep.

1:01:54

Yeah, it's a little bit of a changing casting

1:01:56

there, but who knows. We'll see. We'll see Inside

1:01:58

Out. I'm looking at you. is

1:02:00

Agent Cooper Coughlin McLaughlin is back as

1:02:02

the dad. Hell yeah. Let's

1:02:05

talk about the world of the mind for a second.

1:02:07

I just have a little bit on this. But production

1:02:09

designer Ralph Eggleston said, our biggest goal and challenge as

1:02:11

filmmakers was to design a world that has never been

1:02:13

seen before. A world that is

1:02:16

interesting, magical, appealing, and yet also supports

1:02:18

the story in a completely inevitable way.

1:02:21

They were able to contrast the

1:02:23

confining space of Riley's San Francisco

1:02:25

world, consisting of straight lines, realistic

1:02:27

shapes, shading with a very open

1:02:29

space in the mind world. This

1:02:32

very big, open, spacious,

1:02:34

organic, simple shapes.

1:02:37

They have this glow to them. It's

1:02:40

very, very much trying to contrast

1:02:42

what's going on outside. The mind

1:02:44

also incorporates saturated colors and translucency,

1:02:46

which contrasts the real world. I

1:02:49

think they do a great job of that. And also the

1:02:51

real world has this oppressive vibe to it

1:02:54

to really get across like what

1:02:56

Riley's experiencing in a

1:02:58

negative way, moving to San Francisco. And

1:03:01

I think that works really, really well. And

1:03:04

didn't think about, but yeah, the spaciousness when

1:03:06

you go to the mind is almost like

1:03:08

it's over the top. It feels like

1:03:10

it feels the

1:03:12

cavernousness feels it's

1:03:15

going to fucking memory. The

1:03:17

memory of it is just this infinite

1:03:19

void of black and. I hate it.

1:03:22

Yeah. I hate it so

1:03:24

much. So

1:03:26

anyway, some tech stuff. One of

1:03:28

the more difficult effects for the film was

1:03:30

the way edges of the mind islands would

1:03:32

crumble, which they had to procedurally create a

1:03:34

combination of work via the sets department and

1:03:36

the effects department. The lighting was

1:03:39

really difficult because the emotions themselves were

1:03:41

light sources within a lit environment and

1:03:43

like making joy glow. The way she

1:03:45

does was an incredible, incredibly difficult amount

1:03:48

of work. They created a technique called

1:03:50

glow darkening in order to address the

1:03:52

issue of lighting light sources to make

1:03:54

the characters look like they exist in a

1:03:56

real environment. So like, how do you light something

1:03:59

that's lit? You know what I mean?

1:04:01

And make it look good and make it look like

1:04:03

they feel like they belong in the

1:04:05

environment is really wild. And one

1:04:07

of the behind the scenes features I

1:04:10

watched, the way they explained it was

1:04:12

they had to stop thinking of Joy

1:04:14

as like a light bulb and more

1:04:16

as that she was casting shadows that

1:04:18

glow, if that makes sense. Yeah, it's

1:04:20

wild. The interviewer also, I really liked

1:04:22

this part of an interview I read.

1:04:25

They just happened to notice that sadness

1:04:27

is buck teeth. Like one is just

1:04:29

barely slightly longer than the other one

1:04:31

and pointed that out. And Doctor was

1:04:33

like, oh yeah, that's like a huge

1:04:35

thing because there's so much

1:04:38

uniformity in what the computer animation

1:04:40

spits out that from the very

1:04:42

beginning with Toy Story, they'd had

1:04:44

to try and figure out how

1:04:46

to create a constant

1:04:48

subtle imperfection. You're talking about the

1:04:50

Pixar blink. Yes, yeah. The

1:04:53

Pixar blink. The Pixar blink where – and

1:04:55

it shows up in all their movies where

1:04:57

they make it a point to – especially

1:04:59

when a character is confused or trying to

1:05:02

process something, one eyelid is

1:05:04

distinguishingly slower than the other on

1:05:06

the blink. And that was like

1:05:08

a revolution in making computer characters

1:05:10

feel more alive and present. Yeah,

1:05:13

there's a constant need to

1:05:15

address that idea

1:05:17

of like we need imperfections because the

1:05:19

computer is just going to be perfect.

1:05:22

So we need to very, very

1:05:25

lightly throw in these imperfections just

1:05:27

so that like you're

1:05:29

not – it's not uncanny valuing you or it's just at

1:05:31

least making you feel like this is a little bit more

1:05:33

of a real totally

1:05:35

computer-generated world than it

1:05:38

actually is, right? For

1:05:40

me, that's all I got on

1:05:42

Inside Out before. Just my bit

1:05:44

on Inside Out 2, Jake. So

1:05:46

I give you the floor. Anything

1:05:49

else you want to say? I mean, we

1:05:51

haven't really talked a lot about

1:05:54

Bing Bong. I just want to

1:05:56

say fuck you, Bing Bong. You

1:05:58

like make me so sad. I

1:06:00

actually do have a Bing Bong pop

1:06:02

figure, one of my few pop figures

1:06:04

that I own is a Bing Bong

1:06:06

pop figure. I know I love

1:06:08

what Bing Bong did to me emotionally,

1:06:10

still does. We watched it in our

1:06:12

Sunday study session, patreon.com/whizbrew, 50 bucks a

1:06:14

month you can join us for a

1:06:17

Sunday study session. We all cried together

1:06:19

while discussing the science of the mind

1:06:21

and emotions and watching Bing Bong slowly

1:06:24

disappear out of Riley's

1:06:27

life, which is whatever

1:06:29

dude. Hold y'all or

1:06:31

I'm coming for you. I

1:06:33

was looking for the lyrics to the

1:06:35

Bing Bong song because I forgot what

1:06:38

it was in what order and I

1:06:40

found it. I think it's Bing Bong,

1:06:42

ba-bong, bong, bong. Let

1:06:44

me see your Bing Bong.

1:06:48

Baby, Bing Bong, ba-bong, bong,

1:06:51

bong. Weird.

1:06:54

I almost memory hold Cisco until you did

1:06:56

that. But

1:06:58

I found the scene. It's like one of

1:07:00

the first results was the scene from on

1:07:02

YouTube and I watched it alone

1:07:05

in my apartment and I

1:07:07

just wept like minutes before

1:07:09

we recorded. I've been

1:07:11

like light crying while sitting here doing

1:07:13

research. Especially as a dad, I said

1:07:15

this out loud while we were watching

1:07:18

it for the study session. I was like,

1:07:20

oh, this movie like fucks you up all over again as

1:07:22

a dad. Like the

1:07:24

whole yeah, I can't talk about it

1:07:26

too much. I'll start crying. It's the

1:07:28

whole thing with the end with the

1:07:30

memories being sad and of childhood and

1:07:32

it's just it's it's it kill

1:07:35

this thing kills me, man. It

1:07:37

totally kills me. A couple of

1:07:39

things about Inside Out, specifically the

1:07:41

foreign releases, because that's the last

1:07:43

step. The movie is

1:07:45

finally done. There's still an additional month and a

1:07:47

half of dubbing of edits and all sorts of

1:07:50

tweaks that have to be done for foreign markets.

1:07:52

Famously, children in Japan are

1:07:55

not disgusted by broccoli. It

1:07:57

is actually a delicious core

1:07:59

ingredient. to this day, every

1:08:01

time in that movie, they're like, Broccoli

1:08:03

on pizza! I always think very quietly,

1:08:06

actually, broccoli is incredible on pizza. It provides

1:08:08

a really good crunch and green

1:08:10

balance, but it's not too bitter. It's

1:08:12

a wonderful pizza topic. Anyway, in Japan,

1:08:16

the most common childhood yucky vegetable

1:08:18

is green bell pepper. So every

1:08:21

scene where broccoli is presented, I

1:08:23

think except for the phobia

1:08:26

sequence, they replace it with

1:08:29

green bell pepper. There's also

1:08:31

the scene where Bing Bong is

1:08:33

reading the sign incorrectly. The joke is

1:08:35

so core to the idea that he's

1:08:37

reading a sign wrong that they had

1:08:40

to re-render and change the text on

1:08:42

the sign that Bing Bong is ignoring, even

1:08:45

to the point where for languages like Japanese

1:08:47

and Hebrew, he changes the way that he

1:08:49

points at the sign as he's reading, because

1:08:51

some languages are read right to left instead

1:08:53

of left to right. My

1:08:55

favorite, my absolute favorite weird

1:08:58

foreign thing is, do you

1:09:00

know what the movie

1:09:02

was called in the Hungarian release, Holden?

1:09:05

No. Yo, Robot. No, it

1:09:07

was called- That was a joke on I, Robot.

1:09:09

Oh. Starring Will Smith

1:09:11

in Mexico is called Yo, Robot.

1:09:13

I did not murder him. That

1:09:15

was my Alan Tudyk impression. No,

1:09:18

in Hungary, the movie is called

1:09:20

Agimanok, which translates roughly

1:09:22

to Mind Elves. That

1:09:25

works. They are the snorks of the

1:09:28

mind, aren't they? How

1:09:30

fucking dare you. How fucking- Well, they can't

1:09:32

be dispersed because these different- I am done.

1:09:35

You're working the line, McNeely. April, hit

1:09:37

it. Here we go.

1:09:40

Here we go. What? Holden,

1:09:44

I'll have you know, on my Twitch channel,

1:09:46

I changed the sub alert to the DK

1:09:48

Rap, and now I associate it with positive

1:09:51

things. Oh, good. It has no

1:09:53

power over me now. You broke the curse. You

1:09:55

broke the curse. I broke the curse. Now I

1:09:57

hear that awful, awful song, and I think, I

1:10:00

might get two dollars in the future

1:10:02

right now April play the entire final

1:10:04

15 minutes of the film old

1:10:06

yelling Alright

1:10:15

inside out to almost a decade

1:10:17

later we get now we have Kelsey

1:10:19

Mann It's his he's

1:10:21

got his started Cartoon Network as a storyboard

1:10:23

artist his first gig at Pixar Was

1:10:26

as story supervisor for Monsters University and

1:10:28

his director for the spin-off short party

1:10:30

central This will be his directorial debut,

1:10:33

but he has had a seat at

1:10:35

the pink star senior creative team Since

1:10:38

Luca and has worked on

1:10:41

everything they put out since then in some

1:10:43

capacity So it's been a bit apart of

1:10:45

some solid films for sure here We get

1:10:47

a teen Riley who is

1:10:49

the recipient of new emotions anxiety

1:10:52

envy on we and embarrassment The

1:10:55

original Fiverr back you already talked about

1:10:57

the recastings for that but for the

1:10:59

castings for the new emotions We've got

1:11:01

Maya Hawk taking the helm of anxiety

1:11:03

she actually got the role of the

1:11:05

family the hawk family took a trip

1:11:07

to Disney World and She

1:11:10

just right place right time They pulled her in to

1:11:12

read for the part like in the middle of her

1:11:14

vacation And they're the sermon family

1:11:16

in my eye and just I'm just

1:11:18

gonna say that rushed the audition

1:11:20

so well I love that ao

1:11:22

Debris voices envy Fantastic

1:11:25

actor. I really love her work. So

1:11:27

I'm very excited for that Adele Exarchopolis

1:11:32

a French actress best

1:11:34

known for her role in the film blue is the warmest

1:11:36

color voices on we Who is

1:11:38

of course face in the phone the whole

1:11:40

time to? The on we

1:11:43

and Paul Walter Houser from stuff like

1:11:45

Cruella and I Tanya very funny comedic

1:11:47

actor He is the voice for embarrassment

1:11:50

man worked from the research they did with the

1:11:52

first film and and the idea that they could

1:11:55

expand up to 27 emotions and Originally

1:11:58

there were nine new emotions, but of course Of course

1:12:00

they pare it down because that would be impossible

1:12:02

to write in a sequel script. But

1:12:05

very cool, I like that. I mean the only thing

1:12:07

that worries me a little bit, I was scrolling on

1:12:10

like Pixar Post, six emotional details of the making of

1:12:12

Inside Out 2 and at the very beginning it's the

1:12:15

new character Cartoon Pup Bluefie.

1:12:18

The filmmakers have done an incredible job with character

1:12:20

design, not only with the new emotions but with

1:12:22

surprise characters as well. One

1:12:24

of those designs would have to be a 2D

1:12:26

character named Bluefie. The sidekick companion

1:12:28

is Rivetous, the Blues Clues, the Door of

1:12:30

the Explorer. As he breaks the fourth wall

1:12:33

and speaks directly to the camera without giving

1:12:35

anything away, Bluefie will undoubtedly

1:12:37

be a fan favorite character. If it

1:12:39

makes you feel better, the character of

1:12:41

Bluefie is going to be voiced by

1:12:43

Ron Funches. Okay, good. It just screams

1:12:46

of Bing Bong. I think Bluefie's going

1:12:48

to smoke a Bluefie. I think that's

1:12:50

going to happen. It screams like Bing

1:12:52

Bong replacement, slash, what's his

1:12:54

name from The Simpsons, the dog, the

1:12:57

poochie. Yeah, poochie, right? Well, my name's

1:12:59

Poochie D and I rock the telly. I'm

1:13:01

half Joe Camel and a third Fonzarelli. I'm

1:13:03

the Kung Fu hippie from gangster city. I'm

1:13:05

a rapping dog, you the fool, I pity.

1:13:07

Dr. Zazz, Dr. Zazz, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp,

1:13:09

bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp,

1:13:11

bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. Uh, what a

1:13:13

second opinion. I think y'all lazy. Alright,

1:13:16

Bluefie just, I'm going

1:13:18

to trust him, but it does sound like

1:13:20

here's new Bing Bong, right?

1:13:22

New Bing Bong? And every time

1:13:24

Bluefie's not on the screen, you've

1:13:27

got to be asking, where's Bluefie?

1:13:30

But I, I, I, I'll definitely down

1:13:32

to give it a shot because I

1:13:34

love inside out holds a special place

1:13:36

in my heart. I, I, it really,

1:13:38

yes, maybe Coco like broke

1:13:41

me harder with its whole

1:13:44

deal, but inside out

1:13:47

spoke to a part of me

1:13:49

that like it visualized, it's what

1:13:51

animation does best. It visualized a

1:13:54

whole concept and a whole crazy

1:13:57

wild roller coaster of emotions that

1:14:00

went through at a time in my life in a way that I

1:14:02

never thought would be possible in

1:14:04

a filmic experience. And

1:14:07

so I'm forever grateful for that movie and

1:14:09

I'm very interested to show it to my

1:14:11

daughter someday and like it will

1:14:13

always just represent this

1:14:17

time in my life where I

1:14:19

felt so alone, you know? And

1:14:21

it was like, no, no, we all went

1:14:23

through that or so many people did except

1:14:25

for the popular girl table and whatever to

1:14:27

y'all, okay? I mean, I feel like that's

1:14:29

going to be a key plot point in

1:14:31

the sequel. So we shall see. Sure. We

1:14:34

shall see what hits little too close to home. No,

1:14:37

everybody went through hell during those years,

1:14:39

you know? They should just like, once

1:14:42

you hit fifth grade, they

1:14:45

just like no school. No school. We're

1:14:47

going to like, we'll

1:14:50

figure something out. You'll do volunteering, you'll go

1:14:52

to art school, you'll do something, but like

1:14:54

we got to get you away from each

1:14:56

other at this very key point. It's such

1:14:58

a weird thing. Like I'll be with like

1:15:00

Lexi's friends or my friends who have kids

1:15:02

at that age and I just see what

1:15:05

they're going through. And even though they're like not

1:15:07

exhibiting sadness or fear

1:15:09

or any of this

1:15:12

stuff, I just you

1:15:14

can feel it. And

1:15:17

it's so funny because I'm like my heart goes out

1:15:19

to them as if they're like dealing with you

1:15:21

know, a particular tragic thing in their life, but they're

1:15:23

not. They're just a kid growing up and

1:15:26

I still feel this deep sense of

1:15:28

like empathy for them. And

1:15:31

it's just so funny because it's like they're just doing

1:15:33

what we all have to do. But

1:15:35

man, it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking.

1:15:38

Well, you also had to get your legs chopped

1:15:40

off if you got like an infection back in

1:15:42

the day. I'm saying we're

1:15:44

better now. We can fix this. We can

1:15:46

cure middle school. Yes. What

1:15:48

I'm kidding at is we need to work on

1:15:50

curing middle school. We lock them in a box.

1:15:52

Apparently we locked them in everything I've heard. It's

1:15:54

only gotten worse. It's only gotten

1:15:57

worse. This is from what

1:15:59

it was. their phone, we put them in

1:16:01

a box, we let them do

1:16:03

arts and crafts. There's like a little more

1:16:05

acceptance, there's a little more acceptance but it

1:16:08

is balanced out by a whole slew of

1:16:10

issues caused by social media

1:16:12

and all sorts of modern day issues.

1:16:14

So it is rough out there y'all.

1:16:16

But anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed

1:16:18

this episode as much as I did.

1:16:20

I love doing the research with this.

1:16:22

The science behind this movie is so

1:16:24

fascinating and really- John, I

1:16:27

hope Inside Out 2 is good. Yeah,

1:16:29

I do. I hope it's good. I

1:16:31

like Pixar. We

1:16:34

grew up with them and what

1:16:36

they represent and what they've

1:16:38

accomplished in this burgeoning art

1:16:40

form of CG animation, it

1:16:43

really like- I don't want to

1:16:46

see another like five toy stories

1:16:48

and another eight car movies. They

1:16:52

gotta get their shit together man. Yeah. Well

1:16:55

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