Alyssa Rabin welcomes new Maliya clinic member Suzanne Easton to the podcast. Suzanne is a Mental Health Therapist and specialist in the Grief Recovery Method. She shares with Alyssa her passion for helping people through the Grief Recovery Method into relief from the burden of unprocessed losses. 

Suzanne explains how she long carried the weight of many losses and much grief in her own life. Her mother would say she was “an unending well of sorrow” and she explains how she felt she couldn’t risk more pain as her “backpack of unprocessed grief” was too full. But when she found the Grief Recovery Method, she found tremendous healing and release for the weight of her losses, and she immediately knew she needed to share the program with as many others as possible. Suzanne details exactly what the Grief Recovery Method is, the many things that grief and loss can encompass and spring from, and how the program equips you to deal with past burdens and even future losses that you know will come. Suzanne’s warm enthusiasm for the possibility of healing is a beautiful thing to hear.  

About Suzanne Easton:

Suzanne Easton, BN, RN has been practising as a Mental Health Therapist since 2006 and greatly enjoys working with clients in a logical, step-by-step manner as they learn to relate to their past experiences in dramatically changed ways.

Whether loss (of any kind), grief, trauma, PTSD, CPTSD, incomplete relationships, insufficient coping skills, life transitions, depression or anxiety are draining your energy and joy, you are not alone. Many of us have experienced these challenges, and Suzanne is looking forward to providing skilled and compassionate support as you identify and bring about the changes you want. She is a trained ACCELERATED RESOLUTION THERAPY (ART) practitioner and a GRIEF RECOVERY METHOD specialist with a strong general counselling background and a mission to facilitate deep and lasting healing. 

In addition to private counselling sessions, with or without ART, Suzanne offers a seven-week Grief Recovery Method program to support you in moving past the traumatic experiences that have been keeping you from living your fullest life. This system will help alleviate the unresolved grief that is resting heavy in your heart, from a death, a divorce, or any other experience you wish to let go of. You will also emerge with the tools needed to address future losses, which will allow you to live more wholeheartedly, free in the knowledge that you now carry powerful resources for healing within you.  

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Transcription

Lori Bean 

As we all know, women in today's day and age need a different level of care. We invite you to join us as we explore the world of holistic care, what it means and how it can really benefit you.

Alyssa Rabin 

We're going to be providing you with really insightful and practical information as to what our practitioners here at Maliya do, who they are, and how their specific modalities can support your well being.

Lori Bean 

We're going to be having candid conversations with women of all ages, sharing their stories, their journeys, their struggles, and all of their relatable experiences.

Alyssa Rabin 

Absolutely. As well, we're going to be informing you on how Western and Eastern medicine can really work together to help you to become and to show up in the world as the woman you are really meant to be.

Alyssa Rabin  00:55

Hello, everyone. Welcome to Maliya and The Holistic Shift. I'm Alyssa Rabin and today I have somebody here with me who is new to our clinic, and we are so excited to share her discipline, her strategies, her specialties. Her name is Suzanne Easton. Hi, Suzanne and Suzanne is a mental health therapist and Grief Recovery Method specialist. So we're gonna find out a little bit more about what that is. But yeah, Suzanne deals with grief. And she is incredible, and understanding and loving. And she is the person who should be doing this. So welcome, Suzanne.

Suzanne Easton  01:47

Thank you so much.

Alyssa Rabin  01:48

I'm so happy to have you here.

Suzanne Easton  01:50

It is so wonderful to be here talking with you.

Alyssa Rabin  01:53

Well, Suzanne, why don't you first tell us a little bit about yourself. How did you get into this? How did you get into the wellness health system?

Suzanne Easton  02:02

Okay, so I've been working as a mental health therapist since 2006. And have really loved my time doing that, as a generalist working with many different diagnoses and difficulties that people might encounter. About six years ago, though, I had two clients come in, in a short period of time, both who were dealing with grief. One, her husband had died the month before, and the other had a lifetime of losses. And I realized in that moment that I actually did not have good resources for grief, which sounds really funny considering the job that I had been doing for so long already. And in talking with the other mental health therapists that I work with realizing that actually most don't have good resources for grief, which again, is funny, right? Because that really plays into our emotional wellness. So grief, I in some ways I can understand because grief is not a pathology, it's a normal and natural reaction to loss. So I do in some ways understand why it hasn't been pathologized so much, and why there hasn't been a lot of focus put on supporting people as they walk through it. Yet, at the same time, almost all of my clients, I realized, were showing up with loss in their lives. And this was dramatically impacting the way that they could show up from both an emotional health perspective, mental health perspective, social health, all of these things. Anyways--

Alyssa Rabin  03:26

-- now you also say loss, but you you associate grief with many different types of losses, not just loss of an individual or death. What are some other types of losses that you are talking about?

Suzanne Easton  03:42

Right. And that's such a beautiful distinction, because in our society, a lot of times when we're talking about loss, we immediately assume that it must be a death, maybe we'll include divorce in there, but not too much else. And loss really... well, it's a part of our life, from the time that we're born, right? We lose friendships, we move, our animals die, our parents might not be getting along very well. And so we might have some loss of safety and trust, it really can encompass so many different things. And at the Grief Recovery Institute, they talk about a backpack that we're given at the beginning of our lives. And since we're not really shown what to do with loss, we just start sticking them in this backpack. And these losses can be anywhere from pebble sized to the hugest of boulders or anything in between. And we get weighted down. And we haven't been told then what to do with this, in large part because we haven't been told how to recognize what loss is, right? Like it's just, like, oh, well, your friend didn't invite you to their birthday party here have a candy, right? It's just this idea of, like, we'll replace the feeling, not acknowledge what's actually happening inside. So we're taught from a very young age to not really acknowledge what loss is and we've not been given the tools to deal with it, which is of course understandable. Nobody's doing this with malice. They're simply passing along the tools that they have been given or not given in the same way that I did that with my kids until I learned the Grief Recovery Method.

Alyssa Rabin  05:07

Distract, distract, distract.

Suzanne Easton  05:10

Yeah, distract or comfort. It's like, oh, I love you and all of this stuff. And it's like, yes, those things are all true. All the lovely stuff is true. And, though, you need to acknowledge what actually happened. So it was in this group meeting where I was talking about these clients and another clinician I work with, she let me know about the Grief Recovery Method. And so I ordered the book and I did the program for myself first, because I wanted to know what it is I was suggesting for clients. And I often say that the term life changing gets overused. I really think yes, it does. You know, these tampons are like life changing.

Alyssa Rabin  05:39

Some are.

Suzanne Easton  05:41

You know what, you're right, that can be true. Okay, well, so, you know, in that vein, men, yes, it was honestly life changing for me. My mom used to say that I was an unending well of sorrow. And that didn't mean that I couldn't be happy. And it didn't mean that I didn't have joy in my life and beautiful things in my life. But there was loss and grief that was buried so deeply that no matter how much therapy I did, no matter how much self help I did, no matter what beautiful support systems I engaged with, I couldn't even really recognize the loss in order to bring it up and to then heal.

Alyssa Rabin  06:18

Interesting. It sort of overshadowed your whole being.

Suzanne Easton  06:22

It felt like it lived just deep in my gut, I guess my abdomen somewhere there. And it did not allow me to fully live, to fully be alive, to fully be me. And so it was always, like this dampening down, this dampening down of whatever it is I was thinking or feeling.

Alyssa Rabin  06:39

I think we can all sort of relate to that someway or another. Always something in the back of your mind that maybe is stopping you from doing something. Or hindering from you or second guessing yourself. That can come all from grief and loss and trauma.

Suzanne Easton  06:55

For me it certainly did. And my mum, so she used to say this about me, and - without her knowing that I had done the Grief Recovery Method - she said 'it's gone, isn't it'. She could see that that unending well of sorrow, it was just gone. And it was because I was able to access everything that had been weighing me down, and I was able to heal, which is such a beautiful, unique thing about this program. It's very specific, it's focused, you do it step by step by step by step by step, you start learning about grief, what it actually is, what is loss, how many different things that can encompass. And in some ways that could sound depressing. And it's really quite the opposite. Because it's so incredibly validating, like, oh, that's why I was out of energy at this point in my life, that was a loss. And it doesn't mean that you're stuck in this deep pit of grieving, you actually are being given tools to move in a beautiful, healthy, rejuvenating way through this loss.

Alyssa Rabin  07:54

So is this what the Grief Recovery Method is? Is it's a process or a path of moving through grief and recovery? So what, so what is it? Let's say I come to you and I say, 'Suzanne, I'm dealing with something from my past, there's big loss, what is the Grief Recovery Method?'

Suzanne Easton  08:14

Okay. So it would depend on whether you engaged in an individual format, or if you did the group. If you did individual, it would happen over seven sessions. If you do the group, it happens over eight. But the process is exactly the same. It's just broken up a little bit differently. And so at the beginning, we start looking at what is loss and grief, just really coming to a proper understanding of what that is, because again, most of us haven't been taught that. And then it's looking at some of the myths that we've learned about grief along the way, right? Like, oh, just keep busy. That's a big one in our society, right? Like, just keep busy. And there is something to be said, for all of the things that we do. The Grief Recovery Method isn't necessarily recommending that someone sit in their grief, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for weeks and weeks on end, right. At some point, you know, probably do get up, brush your teeth, go get yourself some food, you know, like all of these things. But we have really idolized this idea of being busy. And then we also too, we look at the of all we look at so many different ideas. And one of them though, is Academy Award recovery. And so we behave in a way that we think other people will respond positively to. So it's like, oh, look at her, her mum just died and she's back to work. And she's doing this and she's doing that and you would just never know. And it said with this air of positivity so a lot of us want to live up to that because we want other people to think well of us and not go oh, look at her, she's still sitting on the couch.

Alyssa Rabin  09:37

She's still suffering.

Suzanne Easton  09:38

Yeah, yeah, like look at her, you know, I can't talk to her without her crying. I don't think people are in any way intending to be unkind or uncaring or unsupportive in those things. I know for myself, it still can happen despite doing this work. And this is something I work on constantly and I'm getting better and better and better and better, right? But I can still have that moment of panic when I see someone's grief.

Alyssa Rabin  09:58

I'm like how do you deal with it? What do I say, what do I not say? What's proper, what's not proper?

Suzanne Easton  10:03

Exactly right? Because even like knowing this work and doing this work, there's definitely a chance I'm going to say the wrong thing. For sure there is. Number one, because I'm awkward.

Alyssa Rabin  10:12

I love you.

Suzanne Easton  10:18

And number two, because you cannot possibly know what this other person is feeling, right? Like, my mom has died. If I'm sitting with someone whose mom has died, I don't know exactly what that feels like for them. We had different relationships, different circumstances, different strengths and areas of loss within us when that loss occurred. There may have been very, very different losses in the relationship before the loss of death occurred, right? So, I can't sit there and say, I know what you're feeling. So I'm kind of making a bit of a stab at it. But we also too, in the program, give some ideas about things that you can say. And really, it's saying what you actually feel. And a lot of times what you actually feel is, I have no idea what to say right now, would you like a hug? Could I give you a hug? Right? Something along those lines. I mean, it really depends on the relationship, of course. And you know, talking about to this idea of right sized offers. If you're someone I know really well, and you've got little kids, and you've had a huge loss, hey, I can watch your kids. If we've just met, that would be weird. So then he might offer something else. But just knowing that we're going to make mistakes with this. And that's actually okay. Because the most important thing is that we open up the conversation, and not make people feel like they are alone.

Alyssa Rabin  11:34

And make them feel like we care. And we really do want to help even though we have no idea what we're doing.

Suzanne Easton  11:39

Exactly, and that we are not desperate for them to feel better. We just want to support them as they feel bad. Right? Because that's the other thing too, like oftentimes, in our desperation to make someone else feel better, we actually make them feel worse. Because then they feel like they have to do the Academy Award recovery for us so we can calm down. It becomes about us and about our feelings.

Alyssa Rabin  12:02

And them taking care of us.

Suzanne Easton  12:03

Exactly. And I'm not saying this with judgment towards anyone, because I would be judging myself just as much because I know I've done this. And I know, like, and we tend to be the worst in our closest relationships. So I still do this, right? Like, my husband will come home with something, I'll be like, just feel better. I don't want to have to worry.

Alyssa Rabin  12:22

I don't want to have to work on it with you right now.

Suzanne Easton  12:26

Exactly, right. Like, I don't know how to make this better. And because I care so much about you I'm panicking inside right now. So you please just pretend you're okay, right now.

Alyssa Rabin  12:35

Yeah. Hilarious. Oh, my gosh.

Suzanne Easton  12:37

So this is where we start to see that grief really does come in and impact every part of our life - loss and grief, loss and grief, loss and grief, loss and grief. And it's so empowering, though, once you have these tools, because it makes it so much easier to deal with. And not naming it, not dealing with it, doesn't make it go away. If it did, I would wholeheartedly recommend that, wholeheartedly. But since it doesn't, it's just so much easier to actually just learn this process, so that you can know how to deal with it when it does happen. And it actually also helps you to make it less likely that you will encounter unresolved grief in your life, in the sense that you learn how to keep your relationships more complete. So small examples would be, I've told you some of the things that I think about you, right? I'm realizing in sitting with you right now that if somehow I weren't to see you again, there will be some other things that I wanted to pass along, right? Like other things that I admire about you, other things that I've really appreciated about the time that I've known you, the way that I see you work, the way that you are with me. And so I would be incomplete with you.

Alyssa Rabin  13:41

So if there was a grief or a loss, everything that has wanted to be said to the person or portrayed or whatever is already out there. So there's not that portion of grief that moves on.

Suzanne Easton  13:58

Exactly, because our grief, like--

Alyssa Rabin  14:00

-- if you guys could see Suzanne right now, she's got her fists balled up. And she's, like, shaking them like a little child, you should see. She is so passionate about this program and believes absolutely everybody on the planet should do it, as do I totally and completely agree. But she's just, I think because it has helped her in her life. So drastically. There's so much empowerment through this program.

Suzanne Easton  14:29

Yeah, there's absolute passion. Because like I say, I had done tons of therapy, tons of self help stuff, great friends, great groups, great everything. And it was amazing. And I'm so grateful I had those things. And this is what actually allowed me to start living. I recognize that not everyone is going to have the same experience that I have, right, because not everyone has the same backstory, not everyone who, you know, comes into this process in the same place, and yet I watched client after client after client do this process. And I see huge meaning coming out of it for almost all of them. And the ones who I don't see huge meaning coming out, it's something else is going on for them that they're not fully able to drop into this and engage with this. Because it is a process, you learn different things along the way, the first half of the program, we're looking more at both those general ideas about grief and about society and about how we've been taught to deal with it. And then in the middle of it, we actually look at all of the losses that you've experienced throughout your lifetime. And it's done in a very safe way, you can share as much or as little as you want to, whether you're in an individual session or in a group, it can be something like, well, in 1980, something happened that was really hard.

Alyssa Rabin  15:33

So you don't have to, go through it more or less again.

Suzanne Easton  15:38

You don't. And, though, then we start to break it down and get specific. And so at the end of the sessions, you will have fully completed one loss and then you know the tool so you can complete any other loss that you want to.

Alyssa Rabin  15:50

Oh, okay.

Suzanne Easton  15:51

Yeah, so you carry this with you for ever. So the psychologist who trained me, she said that the majority of her clients after doing this process, they don't need to see her any longer. And that has held true in my practice as well, because you carry this with you, and you can use it anytime. And all you need is someone who is a safe listener. And so we talk about what that is, and there's listening instructions. And it's easy peasy, right? Like I've got a few different listeners for myself.

Alyssa Rabin  16:15

Wow. Okay, so let's say I come to you and I have quite a few griefs, losses, anything in my past. So I would specifically focus on just one for this session?

Suzanne Easton  16:29

Yeah. And so most people come into this with an idea of what it is that they want to focus on, right, something recent that has occurred or something that's been plaguing them for a really long time and is very forefront in their mind. And I would say probably more than half of people don't end up working initially on the thing that they came in with, because they realized that there are losses that are much more foundational to what it is that they are experiencing.

Alyssa Rabin  16:52

Wow. And then after they complete the seven or eight week session, you're literally done the session and you can take the knowledge and move on and do it to yourself for all other losses and griefs.

Suzanne Easton  17:08

Absolutely 100%. And a lot of times people in the groups, too, they'll connect with each other and be each other's listeners along the way. And just this idea of the foundational losses, when you go back at your loss recovery, or your Oh, I've lost my words here. Okay, well, anyways, your loss history graph, that's what I'm looking for. When you go back and look at that, you'll have quite a number of entries on it. But most people don't need to fully address each one of those things, you address the foundational ones. And that's where the patterns and the themes started. And then those patterns and themes, once they've been addressed in the earlier loss, they actually tends to experience that healing in the further we are, in the later relationships as well, that carry those same themes. So for example, someone might come in because they're having difficulty with their spouse, their partner, and what they will probably end up working on first is relationship with one of their parents, ultimately, probably both. And there, you're going to see how you watched patterns emerge about relationships between your parents, also in your interactions with them, how you started to have beliefs about yourself and your own worth in relationships. And once you've done so much of that healing work, there is even the possibility that you may not even need to do the specific work on the later relationships. Again, it can sound overwhelming when we start talking about like, oh, my goodness, if we're looking at almost everything as being a loss, am I going to have to be doing very specific work about every aspect of my life?

Alyssa Rabin  18:28

Because I'm thinking and I've got lists and lists and lists.

Suzanne Easton  18:31

Yes, absolutely. And no, you won't have to. And like I'm a massive enthusiast about this. And I still, I've probably completed myself less than 15 losses, and most people won't do that many. I'm just, I'm particularly passionate. And I carried unresolved grief with me for so long, that I don't have a tolerance for carrying it any longer. So the moment I experience a loss... two years ago, my cat and my dog died, I did the work immediately. And this doesn't mean that I don't miss them. And it doesn't mean that I didn't cry. And it doesn't mean that I don't grieve. What it means is for me, I don't have the unresolved pain, which in my case feels like someone is taking claws and physically shredding my heart. That's what unresolved grief to me feels like Yes. And I don't have to feel that anymore. Because I live with that on a chronic basis for so many years. I just have no tolerance for it anymore. Knowing that I don't have to have it.

Alyssa Rabin  19:31

Knowing that you don't have to feel that way and knowing that you have the tools to be able to counter it. And like you said, you're still going to grieve, and you're still going to be saddened by it. You're still going to, but it's going to be  on a whole other level.

Suzanne Easton  19:45

It is. So when my dog Miko died, I still sat on the couch for five days afterwards with my son, and we talked about Miko and we cried and then we'd watch movies, because you mean you can't talk and cry all day long. Or at least I can't, right? You talk and you cry again. Right? We grieve, you know actually I love this word, we should include it, we mourned him. And mourning can be this beautiful heart filling warm experience, right? It's the acknowledgement of how much this meant to you. I did this work in regards to the relationship with my mom two years before she died. And number one, it made the relationship with her a million times better for the two years. I mean, it was good before, but it made it way better. And then when she died, and the people from the funeral home came to take her, I was on the ground, sobbing, for sure. Right. And, though, my heart didn't feel like it was being shredded apart, it never, it felt so huge and warm and full, rather than barren and empty, and you know, dry and being shredded and all of these things. And the only time I have felt that ripping sensation in regards to my mom's death, was a few weeks after she had died I was talking to someone and I realized something, a small thing, I was incomplete about. And I start to feel that pain. I was like, oh, no, no. And so I immediately did the completion work right then and there.

Alyssa Rabin  21:07

You are so funny, but it helped, right?

Suzanne Easton  21:10

It's just again, for me, it's life changing, to not have to live with that pain. And I didn't, I used to think that grief and loss were the most horrible, awful things. And now they just they don't have the same feeling. I still don't wish for them. But I can put myself now in positions where I know I'm going to encounter it, I can tolerate it. So my cat and my dog died two years ago. And before that, given the number of losses I've had and everything, I don't think I would have ever gotten another dog again. And we now have two new dogs. And it's because I know I can face the loss. I know, you know, I know the loss is going to come someday. And I know I can deal with it. Whereas before I just, I was saturated. My backpack was so full. And we get to that point where a backpack, I mean, I'm very middle aged, right? And by this point in my life, my backpack was incredibly full. Some people's fill up really, really early. Some, they've got a bit of wiggle room left when they're 80. I certainly wouldn't have, like mine was topped up. I had no room left to add any more life experiences in just in case I lost them. And so you start living really - well, I start and I see this happening - that some people start living really, really small.

Alyssa Rabin  22:24

Yes, yes. Because there's always - I was going to say - there's always that fear of loss of something, or someone, or failure, or all of these different words which holds you back. Which deters you from going forward and being who you're truly needing to be, wanting to be. So this program also helps you recognize that you can get through grief. And if you make a mistake, and something happens, it's okay, you're gonna move on.

Suzanne Easton  22:58

Yeah, you are going to continue to be alive, and you may very well be changed, right? Our losses often change us. And again, it doesn't mean that you will never be sad, but you will just be sad. You will, you will just be sad, you will be not destroyed, not being ripped apart.

Alyssa Rabin  23:17

Yes. Oh, my gosh, amazing. So what is the difference between a one on one and group session? Like, how would you know which one to choose?

Suzanne Easton  23:30

Right. So I mean, there are definite benefits to both. The Grief Recovery Institute typically recommends that if you are able, that you do group sessions. There is something incredible about being held in a group, and about seeing very firsthand that we don't need to compare losses, because that's another huge thing in our society. It's like, well, I can't talk about my dog dying, because your mom just died. So I can't say anything about that. Well, we learn here that that's not true at all, right, our losses are not meant to compete with each other in any way. And we start to have a lot of capacity for acknowledging our own loss then, and also acknowledging the loss that other people are experiencing. And so the groups are amazing for that. It's also too, just a sense of camaraderie and bonding, and also real world practice of talking about your losses with other people. Because a lot of times, we really haven't learned how to do that. So, so many beautiful things that come out of it, including, you know, the opportunity to stay connected later on if you want to. With the individual groups, the primary benefit of that is that in working with me, I am good at being very curious about your life, you certainly don't have to say anything that you don't want to, but I can help you to uncover some themes and patterns that you might not have noticed on your own, which allows you to go deeper into the work than you might have otherwise. And that's the one real benefit I found of the individual work. So overall, I would still definitely recommend the groups if you can and if you have the capacity for that. Some people, though, the idea of a group is just so terrifying that they're not able to bring that onto their plate. And that's okay, too.

Alyssa Rabin  25:09

Could they potentially do an individual session with you? And then do a group session or switch halfway through? Or isn't generally where you start is what you do?

Suzanne Easton  25:21

Okay, so the first two sessions, new people can enter after that, it becomes a closed group, so that you have the safety, right? Because it's amazing how quickly we drop into intimacy with people. All the people I've had who come into groups they're like, I'm like, I'm not really a group person, I'm not sure about this. Oh, my goodness, it doesn't take very long before they have dropped right in. And it doesn't mean that they are necessarily sharing every detail of their lives. But they recognize that they are in a place where they are being seen, they are being heard, they can say anything that they need to say...

Alyssa Rabin  25:52

People are holding space for them.

Suzanne Easton  25:53

 Very much so, right? And so it's pretty amazing watching people who are not group people really value this process and sink into it.

Alyssa Rabin  26:03

Oh my gosh, amazing. So who would come to see you for this?

Suzanne Easton  26:07

So anyone 18 years or older, can do this work. The Grief Recovery Institute does not suggest typically doing this work with people under the age of 18. For a number of reasons, one of them being is that they are so highly influenced by the adults around them that it's really hard to help make meaningful shifts for them in an external environment, when that's not being supported in their primary environment. So what they then suggest offering is groups for caregivers, right. So you offer the group, and that's a four session one, it's called When Children Grieve. And it's for people who are involved in children's lives so that they can better support the kids that are actually in their lives.

Alyssa Rabin  26:49

Would it be the caregivers who are more or less doing the sessions with the children, once they learn it?

Suzanne Easton  26:55

Kind of, sort of, it's more just becomes a lived thing, right? So the caregivers come - and so the caregivers can be the parents, it can be other family members, it can be school teachers, anyone who is intimately involved in kids' lives on an ongoing basis, right? So for me to do work with a kid wouldn't be very helpful to that kid, because I'm not involved with them in an ongoing basis. It doesn't have to be the parents, it can be school teachers, anyone who's intimately involved in an ongoing basis. And often. And so they come, they learn how to do this, as a part of that they start to learn some of the things about their own losses and about how to approach grief in their own lives. And then they're able to pass that along to the kids that they work with.

Alyssa Rabin  27:34

Oh my gosh.

Suzanne Easton  27:36

And so I mean, I would wish this for every kid, I wish for them to be exposed to this through the adults in their lives. And then I would love the moment everyone turns 18 that they come, they do this process. And they then, they get to live their lives so much more freely.

Alyssa Rabin  27:51

Not living in fear of what if?

Suzanne Easton  27:56

Yeah. And because the what if is all, I mean, not not all the ones we imagine, but there's something's always coming. There just, there always is. I mean, we do go through these lovely kind of calm periods of our lives sometimes. And then a whole bunch of losses seem to rush in all at once. And you're being lambasted by this. And so another thing too, is, grief is not, it's not an appealing subject. So typically, people come to see me when every other resource has been exhausted. And they are, they're on their knees. It just feels that terrible and that bad. And I understand that makes all kinds of sense. And if you can find it in yourself to do this work before you're in that place, in one of those lull times, that's the ideal time. Because then the next time something huge comes, you just have the tools ready to go.

Alyssa Rabin  28:46

Oh my gosh, this is so amazing. So everyone, it's called the Grief Recovery Method by Suzanne Easton here at Maliya. Thank you so much for talking about this. Oh, it's so easy talking with you.

Suzanne Easton  29:04

Thank you for being my listener today. I could talk about this like, my hands just start going. If anyone wants to come and talk to me about this, I will... yeah, I will have so much to say and so much capacity for listening.

Alyssa Rabin  29:21

And if you want to just even do a 15/20 minute come in and meet Suzanne and see how she can help you if this is right up your your alley. Definitely.

Suzanne Easton  29:31

Yeah. And I can give you all the options for doing this and just see if any of them are a good fit for you. Yeah, yeah.

Alyssa Rabin  29:36

Great. Thanks so much.

Suzanne Easton  29:37

Thank you so much.