0:00

Hi, this is

0:02

Rachel

0:05

McElroy.

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Hi, this is Griffin

0:18

McElroy. And this is wonderful. This

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is a show where we talk about things you like that's good

0:23

that we like them and we're into. It's

0:25

a podcast by two marrieds.

0:27

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:30

I wanted to ask you. Yeah. Do you have

0:33

any clue as to what our son is going to be for Halloween

0:35

this year?

0:36

Wow. We've kicked

0:38

around a few ideas. I brought up a few

0:40

things with him, but he doesn't seem committed

0:42

to anything yet. He doesn't which is surprising

0:44

because it's almost the end of September. I feel

0:46

like typically mid-July. We're

0:49

already, you know,

0:51

emailing with spirit Halloween. Last

0:54

year. He was Sonic, right? Last year. He was Sonic

0:56

the Hedgehog. Yeah. Yeah from the video

0:59

game series Sonic the Hedgehog. Yeah,

1:01

and the books. The novelizations

1:04

of Sonic the Hedgehog. The films. Uh-huh.

1:08

We've had, you know, some classic,

1:11

some classic stuff from him. I feel

1:13

like this year we've talked a lot about Ash

1:15

Ketchum,

1:16

who he calls Ash Ketchums, which

1:19

is great. It reminds me of the Key and Peele

1:21

sketch. Does he know that you have also been

1:23

Ash Ketchum for Halloween? No,

1:25

I did. I was, wasn't I? And in fact,

1:28

I was Pikachu and I was pregnant with

1:30

him. That's right. And people brought up a lot

1:32

of sort of confusing imagery that we had

1:34

maybe introduced into the Ash Ketchums,

1:38

Pikachu's.

1:38

I bet pregnant Pikachu. Oh,

1:41

yeah. Will get you some stuff on

1:43

the internet. I think Pikachu will,

1:45

you know, buy a carton of milk at

1:47

the grocery store. I bet you there's

1:50

lots of lots of results for that one.

1:52

I bet you Ash Jeeves is like, oh this

1:54

again, huh? No problem. I have a button

1:56

actually. I have a macro set up. The thing

1:58

we have noticed that's really. kind of frustrating

2:01

about the world of Pokemon, at least

2:03

what we can access here in the western

2:05

part of the world, is that a lot of it is for

2:08

adults. It is difficult

2:10

to find clothing items and

2:12

costumes that fit a child.

2:14

Yeah, Henry

2:17

really wanted a Pokemon jacket and I was like,

2:19

no problem, Nintendo, you got me? And

2:21

Nintendo was like, I got you. What about

2:23

my little, my small, wiry son? And they're like, we

2:31

don't know about that. Can you wear a big shirt like pajamas?

2:35

Anyway, thanks for nothing. We got there

2:37

though. We did get

2:39

Henry a Pokemon jacket

2:42

that he loves and a pair of Pikachu

2:45

headphones. And together, when

2:47

we had ordered them and he knew they were coming

2:49

at the end of the week, he was like, I can't wait to get

2:51

my hands on that Pokemon drip. And

2:54

that made me feel so proud to

2:57

have a son like him.

2:58

Yeah, the other day, I believe

3:01

he was wearing a few pieces of Sonic

3:03

outfit, like

3:05

a hoodie and shirt

3:06

or something. And he did refer to it as his

3:08

drip. I love this. I didn't

3:10

teach him that. That's great. Of

3:13

course I didn't. I know you didn't. So

3:15

that's great.

3:16

No, I don't know that I've ever

3:17

heard you. Refer to drip?

3:20

Yeah, an outfit

3:21

choice as your drip. No, no.

3:24

I mean, if anything for me, it's more like droop,

3:26

am I right? You

3:29

have a small owner. Hey,

3:32

you got any small owners? I

3:35

think I can address this

3:38

here. And that is

3:40

my enthusiasm

3:41

for the Golden Bachelor, which is

3:43

coming very, very soon. I've

3:45

got a lot of fingers crossed for this one.

3:48

A lot of what

3:50

I have found to be

3:53

challenging about the franchise,

3:55

I am hopeful will not be present in the Golden

3:57

Bachelor. Yes. and

4:00

return to a franchise

4:00

that once brought me so much joy. I

4:03

think maybe that's tonight actually, or maybe it's

4:05

last night. Yeah. Yeah,

4:08

I am cautiously optimistic.

4:11

I'm not optimistic. I don't think it'll

4:14

be very good, but I'll probably, we'll watch

4:16

it. We have dipped into,

4:18

let's say, a bit

4:21

of senior romantic

4:23

programming this year

4:25

between Love Village and Love After Divorce.

4:27

We mentioned this last week, I think. I don't know

4:29

that we did in the context of, I

4:32

mean, we've talked about our dalliance with Korean

4:34

reality television programming. Love

4:37

Village, I believe, was a Japanese

4:39

show, but it

4:42

is a different spice when the people

4:44

are older set than

4:48

you get, the Bachelor

4:51

franchise typically. So I'll be curious

4:53

to see. I mean, these people, they got,

4:56

their priorities are different. They're at a different

4:58

place in their lives.

4:59

Hopefully they can handle their liquor

5:02

pretty well at this

5:02

point. You would hope so, yeah.

5:05

I don't know, we'll see. You

5:07

know how sometimes on Bachelor and Bachelorette,

5:10

they'll bring out an old person from the limo

5:13

and then another pretty young person.

5:15

Yeah, like, ha ha, dah dah dah. That's

5:17

used by grandma. I wonder if we'll do that in reverse.

5:19

Where it's like, oh, that's fun.

5:22

A young woman will get out. No,

5:24

I feel like if a young woman walked into the

5:26

house with a golden bachelor lived

5:28

in, she would be, she was

5:30

destroyed summarily by everybody

5:33

else that is there. That

5:35

would not go down smooth on that.

5:36

Yeah, I mean, for those of you that enjoyed

5:38

when we did Rosebud, for a long

5:40

time, we also enjoyed it. And

5:43

I do yearn for a time when

5:45

I can talk about reality show similar

5:49

to that, you know, and feel

5:51

okay about it. Oh, I'll talk

5:52

about love after divorce all day long. We just polished

5:55

that bad boy off last night.

5:57

Season finale dropped on Sunday. I'll

5:59

go ahead and make that my- small wonder. Here we go, back door.

6:03

It turned out pretty good, I think. It

6:05

certainly, the pace

6:07

was a bit slow for my case. Well, it's not finished

6:10

yet.

6:10

It's not finished, is it? Yeah. Oh

6:13

my, yes. So we got a surprise. We don't even know. We

6:15

are now, yeah, we are now caught up so that

6:17

we are not able to access the newest

6:19

episodes yet. We have

6:20

to wait. We were watching it weekly every Sunday

6:22

when the episodes dropped. We

6:23

made the assumption, like

6:25

a lot of people would, I think, that the show ends

6:28

after their exciting week in

6:29

Cancun, but there seems to be the suggestion

6:32

that they will live together and we will watch that too.

6:35

Which is

6:35

great. That show, if you didn't hear us talk about it the

6:37

first time, a bunch of divorcees

6:40

live together in a house and go on

6:42

dates and some of them fall in love.

6:44

We got a few successful pairings out of

6:46

the set that we had. And they very slowly, intentionally

6:49

reveal information. Which is cool.

6:51

So like at a certain point, the show

6:53

runners will decide that they

6:55

can tell each other what their age is. Or

6:58

how many kids they have, which is

7:00

a big

7:01

one. Which allows you to play along at home and

7:04

think like, all right, I'm going to guess that this person

7:06

really was fine because we were quite

7:09

wrong. We were always wrong pretty much. Pretty

7:11

much every single point of data. Like, oh,

7:13

that guy is 27. I'm 46. What the fuck? That

7:18

person's got maybe no kids. Although

7:20

I think we were pretty

7:22

right on who had kids.

7:24

I don't think so, man. There were some surprises in

7:26

there. We're not going to spoil it for the folks at home.

7:28

But yeah,

7:31

I am enjoying that show. I can't wait to watch the people

7:33

be taken out of this environment,

7:36

this paradise of Playa

7:38

del Carmen.

7:38

I think what

7:41

I will say about The Golden Bachelor that

7:43

is not present

7:45

in a lot of the other reality shows we've

7:47

been watching recently is that kind of like producer

7:50

manipulation. And I am hoping

7:52

that that happens less.

7:53

Who knows, man? People

7:55

on this show, but I

7:56

don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway. Reality

8:00

TV, it's poppin'. You

8:02

go first this week. Yeah. Survivor Russell

8:04

starts back up this week. You know, I follow

8:07

a lot of Survivor contestants,

8:10

uh, on Instagram. And it's just so

8:12

exciting to watch everybody abuzz, abuzz

8:15

with excitement.

8:16

Do we know, are there any like new gimmicks or

8:18

twists

8:19

or? They all get knives.

8:21

Um,

8:23

yeah,

8:24

I'd watch that. Yeah. Also

8:27

Jeff has started to say guys

8:29

again. That

8:32

is a very specific Joe that

8:34

the survivor had. I know there's probably a lot

8:36

of survivor heads out there.

8:41

Oh, I enjoyed that. Thank you. Thanks. It's a good show.

8:45

What's on the plate today?

8:47

I'm hungry.

8:47

I wanted to talk this week about

8:49

leggings. Leggings. I

8:52

have no feelings about this. You

8:54

are one of the few people that can say that.

8:56

Okay. Uh, this

8:58

is, this is, um,

9:01

let me, hmm,

9:03

few places I can start. One thing I will

9:06

say is that obviously during the pandemic

9:08

when I didn't have to go in front of people very

9:10

often, I chose comfort and often that meant

9:12

I chose leggings, uh, and now it is

9:14

difficult to choose anything else. Are you

9:17

describing the

9:18

ensemble you're wearing right now as that is that

9:20

leggings? I guess I don't know what the

9:22

difference is between

9:24

tighter. They were

9:26

called stretch pants. Does this seem

9:28

familiar to you or is this maybe a regional thing? I mean,

9:31

when I was a kid, most of the pants

9:34

I wore did stretch. And

9:36

so, well,

9:37

there's sweat pants, which are

9:39

looser. And then there's a legging, which

9:42

tends to cling more.

9:42

Yeah. It's the cling I think that

9:44

gets it that does it for me or rather doesn't

9:47

do it. Doesn't do it for me on

9:49

me does do it for me on you.

9:51

Thank you. You're welcome. The

9:53

other thing I will say is that now that I have actually

9:55

started to participate in fitness, I appreciate

9:59

the, uh,

10:00

a utility of leggings.

10:02

Oh, I bet.

10:04

In that I am able to move my body in a lot

10:06

of ways. Yeah. And also

10:09

for a curvier woman,

10:12

the thigh rub is non-existent

10:14

with the legging. Interesting, I don't think about that. I

10:16

didn't think about that either. One time when

10:18

I went to the gym, I wore just regular shorts

10:21

and I got, not regular, it's

10:23

like a street short. Yeah. Yeah.

10:28

Rachel rolled up in her street short and her

10:31

dad, what's up? You

10:33

guys use the internet? A

10:38

picture of like those like Bugs Bunny

10:40

Taz graphics where like the hats on

10:42

backwards in their street shorts. Oh shit,

10:44

hide your vape. Here comes street Rachel. No,

10:48

I'm talking about an athletic short, but like one

10:50

that like doesn't provide any kind of like

10:52

thigh protection. And when you're running, like

10:54

you do get, you do get a little chafing. Yeah.

10:57

You know, and so anyways, the legging, not just comfortable,

11:00

protects you while you're running.

11:01

Does sound valuable. That

11:03

is an issue for me why exercise is

11:06

like down there. Yeah. It's

11:08

a mess. You were talking about the lining and

11:11

how the lining is useful to you. It's a similar thing. I

11:13

like the support I received from a street

11:15

short lining. Just

11:18

to sort of like contain the

11:21

zone. Yeah. So I can focus

11:24

on my rowing and what have you. Yeah.

11:27

Yeah.

11:27

So leggings.

11:30

I probably should have realized that

11:32

if I was gonna talk about an article of women's

11:35

clothing, I was gonna end up talking about

11:37

how people had opinions about it. Okay.

11:41

There was a lot like 2010s, I

11:44

feel like is when people started

11:46

really talking about leggings and whether or not it

11:48

was acceptable as fashion.

11:50

To wear like out in the world.

11:52

Yeah. Yeah. There's

11:54

this whole like, I don't know. It's interesting.

11:56

Cause I find myself like feeling insecure

11:58

about it too. Of this idea. of whether you

12:00

can wear athleisure in the world and it's acceptable

12:03

if you are not participating in fitness. And

12:06

then reading this article, so Vox

12:08

did this article in 2019 called

12:11

a decade of leggings controversy explained.

12:14

Oh, that's great. Service

12:17

journalism, that's inspiring. Where

12:20

they talk a lot about just the general

12:22

policing of women's bodies and

12:25

how this kind of represents

12:27

that, where people are suddenly very obsessed

12:29

about whether or not

12:30

leggings are appropriate. And then you kind

12:32

of realize like, why is this

12:34

even a topic?

12:38

I feel like I remember this conversation taking place

12:41

sometimes before COVID

12:43

and then when COVID happened and nobody saw

12:46

anybody for two years. That's very true. Nobody

12:48

gave a shit anymore.

12:49

That's very true. And a lot of it too

12:51

is just kind of the advances in leggings.

12:54

I read about kind of in like the 2010 period

12:58

when you started seeing like leggings like three

13:00

for $10 at like a wet seal or

13:03

a Forever 21, they're very cheaply

13:05

made and it was like you would

13:07

stretch them and you could basically see through

13:09

them. And so there was a lot of like

13:11

concern

13:12

among people about like whether or not

13:14

girls should be able to wear them to school because

13:16

they're stretchy

13:17

and you can see. Stuff,

13:19

sure. Little aio-das of

13:21

skin and yeah.

13:24

But like the dawn

13:26

of leggings from what I can tell,

13:31

are you buckled in for this?

13:33

I'm just imagining one ape

13:35

strangling another ape with a pair of leggings

13:37

and then all the other apes like jumping up and down

13:40

and like a primal celebration.

13:42

There is like a world of fashion

13:45

that I am obviously very disconnected from.

13:48

And so whenever you talk about a fashion trend,

13:50

there's always people that can like pinpoint

13:53

it. Okay. Apparently there was

13:55

a Vogue photo shoot of

13:57

Edie Sedgwick who was like one of Andy

13:59

Warhol. Big models and was an

14:01

actress and she did a photo shoot

14:04

in Legging.

14:04

I feel like I know this photo

14:06

shoot. Really? Yeah, I feel like if

14:08

I conjure an image of Edie Sedgwick

14:11

in my head, there's just one and

14:13

it's this photo shoot. It is

14:15

somewhat iconic.

14:17

Then the 70s, it

14:19

was like Olivia Newton-John in Greece.

14:21

Sure. The 80s, Olivia

14:24

Newton-John again. Greece

14:26

too. Well, in a fitness context

14:28

too. Actually, she was in Greece too. Then

14:32

the phase I mentioned where all of a sudden it was like

14:35

you could get legging super cheap at mall

14:37

stores

14:37

and whatever. Then of course, athleisure

14:40

blew up and then every

14:43

celebrity had their own line. Kate

14:45

Hudson obviously has Fabletics.

14:47

Obviously. Everyone

14:49

knows this. If you had asked me, Griffin,

14:52

what is Kate Hudson's athleisure brand call, I would

14:54

of course say Fabletics.

14:56

Beyonce,

14:58

I guess, had an activewear line in 2016. Reebok

15:01

had Gigi Hadid. Wait, Beyonce

15:03

had a fitnesswear

15:05

line? She may still. I don't

15:07

know. I was going to say, it doesn't seem like Beyonce

15:09

has failed projects

15:12

that are out there.

15:13

There's any number of celebrities

15:16

that have their own type

15:18

of legging. Selena Gomez was in there. Just

15:22

a lot of people. It became just a really kind of

15:24

like a fashionable thing. Selena

15:26

Gomez have a sweater line.

15:31

Throughout all of this, people

15:33

are

15:34

just

15:36

issuing their concerns about leggings.

15:39

A lot of them, as I mentioned, was in schools.

15:44

Any kind of dress

15:47

code

15:48

is usually designed

15:51

in a way to isolate

15:54

some group of people. But

15:57

what is awkward and terrible is when

15:59

these people.

15:59

are called to defend

16:01

their decision and you realize

16:03

just how poorly

16:05

constructed they are.

16:07

Yeah. So, for example,

16:09

in 2013, a California

16:12

junior high principal called an assembly

16:14

of 450 girls between the ages

16:16

of 12 and 14 and stressed that they were not allowed

16:18

to wear leggings without a dress or skirt

16:20

over them. She later told ABC News,

16:23

when girls bend in leggings, the threads spread

16:25

and that's really when it becomes a problem.

16:30

That's so clinical.

16:33

Just to see people like... And

16:36

that's where the issue lies. There's

16:39

another example. A

16:42

Republican state representative from Montana

16:45

made headlines when he said

16:47

that yoga pants should be illegal in public.

16:50

Okay. And attempted to redo

16:52

his state's indecent exposure laws to

16:54

prohibit any clothing that quote, gives the appearance

16:56

or stimulates butts genitals,

16:58

pelvic areas, or women's nipples.

17:01

I mean, I'll decide. Yeah,

17:03

right? What stimulates my butt? What stimulates

17:05

my butt? Hey, guess what? Jinko

17:07

jeans stimulate my butt. Got you. Loophole,

17:10

Congressman. 2017 is the big story. United

17:14

Airlines,

17:15

you probably remember this,

17:16

United Airlines barred two young girls from getting

17:19

onto the airplane because they were wearing leggings. Jesus

17:21

Christ. Which is supposedly in violation of address

17:23

code that the airline wrote specifically for its

17:26

employees and their children.

17:28

And it's their children?

17:30

Yeah, so that was the thing. Why did United Airlines get

17:33

to decide what... These two people,

17:35

I guess, were children of employees and

17:37

when they fly for free, they

17:39

have to like wear a certain...

17:41

What a creepy hill to die on,

17:43

United. I know, I know. And

17:46

then of course, like Delta came out like, we don't care about like... We don't

17:48

care, get boy-nashing. Yeah,

17:53

and then like a lot of like college,

17:55

like, you know, there's always been this issue

17:58

about like college kids...

17:59

dressed too slouchy when they go to class. And

18:02

we need to be training them to be professionals

18:04

in the world. No one gives a shit.

18:07

I don't know, you remember, I remember those people that actually

18:10

came to class real dressed up and it was like, you

18:12

had this impression that they were taking it super seriously,

18:14

but then you remember, oh wait, none

18:17

of that actually impacts your ability. No.

18:21

Literally no one at Marshall. Literally

18:23

I never saw anyone at Marshall. The

18:26

only people who did were like, you

18:29

always knew in the journalism school,

18:32

Marshall, who was about to anchor MU

18:34

Report, which

18:37

was our local TV news thing, because

18:39

they would come dressed up and that was it.

18:42

That was it.

18:43

Oh, and there was a big, so I went to

18:45

Mizzou and

18:48

there's a big Greek life community. And

18:50

if I remember correctly, I feel

18:52

like that was the same. On

18:55

like a certain day of the week or something,

18:57

they were supposed to wear ties. I

18:59

don't remember. Anyway, it's like a thing,

19:01

but it's not common. No. So

19:06

I will just end by saying to this article

19:08

in Vox talks about

19:11

somebody from the Atlantic. Derek

19:13

Thompson spoke to University of Nevada fashion

19:16

historian, Ghirdra Clemente,

19:18

who told him the leggings as pants are

19:20

not just about the rise of synthetic fibers or the

19:22

trend of performative wellness

19:24

culture, but a century long journey

19:27

towards a culture of casual. 100 years ago,

19:29

you would have day clothes for the street, dinner

19:31

clothes for the restaurant, theater

19:33

clothes and so many genres of dress. These barriers

19:36

are down. ATHLEASURE is the ultimate breaking

19:38

down of barriers. Uh-oh, I

19:40

don't have most of those.

19:41

No, but I like thinking about it that

19:44

way, of like, this is an evolution.

19:47

Like this is a, like I mentioned,

19:49

like a utility of like, we

19:52

don't need to have specific

19:54

clothes for particular events in our

19:56

lives, you know? And that if

19:58

you are comfortable and... if you feel good

20:00

about the way you look, that should be

20:03

acceptable in any environment. I

20:04

love that this conversation is taking place at the US

20:07

House of Representatives right now as well. I

20:09

don't know if you have followed the news, but

20:11

they have adopted a more casual

20:14

dress.

20:14

No, I didn't know that.

20:16

Like this sesh. It

20:19

seems

20:19

so antiquated to me. And

20:22

it's definitely, there's a class thing, there's

20:25

a race thing, there's a lot of complications

20:27

to this, like gender as I mentioned. But

20:31

it's just to be having these

20:34

conversations, to be so advanced

20:36

in so many areas and to still be like, is

20:38

it okay if women wear this kind of pants?

20:40

Yeah.

20:42

It's wild. Anyway, super comfortable.

20:44

I like them. I find them useful. I

20:47

really never wanna wear anything else. I

20:49

have tried wearing jeans for an entire day.

20:51

I can't do it anymore.

20:52

No, it

20:53

hurts the flesh.

20:55

I will take a jean. I will bring it into the

20:57

world as soon as I return, I will take off.

20:59

Well, and if it gets wet, forget about

21:01

it. It was raining this morning.

21:03

My teeth got a little bit wet. I'm still wearing

21:05

them and it sucks and it has sucked the whole day.

21:08

And I should just go put some leggings on. You should.

21:11

I would love to see you in some leggings. I mean,

21:13

I have some sleep pants that

21:16

are. Clingy. Clingy. Yeah.

21:19

And they're pretty

21:20

good.

21:21

Get a lot of compliments

21:23

from I guess just you. Can

21:25

I steal you away? Yeah. Yeah.

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You ready for this? Is

23:11

that your topic? No, I could

23:13

though. I could probably improvise that one

23:15

right off of the dome. No, I'm going to talk about

23:17

Keep It Yuppie. Oh! When

23:20

we are trying to get our two children,

23:23

who have a four-year age gap

23:25

between them, to be active

23:28

and play together when it is raining outside.

23:31

Yes, this weekend was

23:33

a real challenge. It was a real challenge, very

23:34

rainy through the whole weekend. We

23:37

did some indoor stuff and

23:39

that was fine, but we had long

23:42

stretches. We were just at home trying to get them to be

23:45

active and entertain each other and play with each

23:47

other. If you've got a balloon and a

23:49

big enough open space, baby, sure

23:51

you've got Keep It Yuppie

23:53

possibilities.

23:54

Can I ask, did you call

23:56

it or hear it called that before we saw Bluey?

23:59

Yes. Really? Yeah,

24:00

so in my

24:02

house, in my experience, we

24:05

worship the Lord and I've

24:07

only ever played with a balloon. If you google

24:09

Keepy Uppy, you will of course get

24:12

that one episode of Bluey that

24:14

I believe was like the third episode ever of Bluey

24:16

was them playing Keepy Uppy. There's

24:18

also a Keepy Uppy Bluey board

24:20

game, which is a lot of words to have

24:23

to say back to back like that.

24:24

We like, of course, I have played this game.

24:26

I'm aware of this game. I love this game.

24:29

I don't know that we call it anything.

24:31

Just balloons, balloons. Let's hit

24:33

a balloon around. Yeah. Well,

24:36

if you google Keepy Uppy, you find Bluey

24:38

and then you find a bunch of results about

24:41

soccer

24:41

or football,

24:43

if you will, because

24:46

Keepy Uppy, I guess, is a term more commonly used

24:48

to refer to juggling a soccer ball with just

24:50

your feet and shoulders

24:53

and head and chest and legs, anything

24:56

but the hands. When we play Keepy Uppy balloon style

24:58

with children, hands is acceptable.

25:00

Yeah. No, I'm just thinking about

25:02

Hacky Sack and how

25:04

Hacky Sack is also a part of this Keepy Uppy

25:06

tradition. I would count Hacky Sack as Keepy

25:08

Uppy. It's

25:08

interesting how I feel

25:10

comfortable just

25:13

calling that Hacky Sack, but I wouldn't ever

25:15

just say like balloon. Yeah.

25:18

Do you want to, do you want to play balloon

25:21

with me?

25:21

That's interesting. Do

25:23

you want to play balloon with me? Would

25:26

have been a really strong intro

25:29

for when we met. I feel like if at

25:31

the concert we met at, you were like, Hey,

25:34

do you want to balloon with me? I would have

25:36

definitely said yes and been down for sure.

25:40

I like soccer ball.

25:42

It seems really hard straight up. That

25:44

seems too hard for me. I like balloon Keepy

25:46

Uppy because you can play with kids and it's accessible.

25:49

I feel like if you, if you had a room

25:51

full of children, like at a birthday party

25:54

or something, and they were all bored and you just tossed

25:56

a balloon in there and you're just like, Keepy Uppy,

25:58

you could run away.

26:00

Yeah, you're good for like a half

26:02

hour.

26:02

Yeah, I know in that moment when they were playing

26:04

with the balloon I thought why do we even buy toys?

26:07

Why do we buy toys? Why do we do anything? Why don't

26:09

we just have a house full of bullets? They get

26:11

so into it I'll not letting this

26:13

balloon touch the ground becomes the world. I know We

26:15

really

26:15

had to talk Henry down for a while cuz he'd

26:17

get very frustrated with Gus cuz Gus didn't understand

26:20

the rules and then The balloon would fall and Henry

26:22

would be outraged and be like it, you

26:24

know, it's gonna be okay Yeah, you're chill about

26:26

it now Yeah, also Gus has gotten

26:29

better and guys has also gotten very intense

26:31

about this and I will say every

26:34

other thing else on earth The

26:37

soccer ball version of keep me up. He has

26:39

a lot of world records associated

26:41

with them I'm going to tell you about because they're

26:44

absolutely wild For soccer

26:46

keep you up. He the player can use feet

26:49

legs chest shoulders and head The

26:51

official record for the

26:54

longest someone kept can I guess I'll keep

26:56

you up II Let me tell you is by

26:58

Victor Erickson who just won the record just

27:01

earlier this year June 2023 How

27:03

long did he keep a soccer ball? Not

27:06

he said 2023

27:08

like I would be like, okay. Well historically

27:10

no I just want to impress upon you that this

27:12

is hot off the presses. This is very recent

27:15

I'm not talking about number of touches the

27:17

duration the duration I mean touches

27:19

would be impossible for

27:20

me to guess I have no idea on that but I'm

27:23

gonna say duration I'm gonna say seven hours

27:26

28 fucking hours

27:27

Did

27:30

that this past summer for 28 hours He

27:32

beat the previous record by eight

27:34

and a half fucking hours. That's

27:36

so impressive Victor

27:38

You know what? I'm gonna

27:39

ask right? What's that?

27:42

How do you

27:43

how do you poop poop and pee? Yeah,

27:45

I just didn't or he did It

27:50

was But I let it chill it

27:52

was bad He was just like

27:54

everyone please leave the room honor system.

27:56

You can hear me. You can continue to hear

27:58

me

28:01

It's just I don't want you to see what happens

28:04

next. Or diaper.

28:06

Or diaper.

28:06

But even diaper, like you're doing

28:09

some stuff in there while keeping

28:11

a soccer ball up off the ground that I do

28:13

not think would be helpful.

28:15

I don't want to think about that anymore. Thank you so

28:18

much. I mean, I'm already there. You're already right

28:20

there. Another fun wild record. In August 2016,

28:22

Abraham Munoz ran the entire 26

28:25

mile Mexico City marathon in five

28:28

hours, 41 minutes and 52 seconds, which

28:30

is probably faster than I could do it

28:32

while not playing Keepy Uppy. But what

28:34

Abraham did was play Keepy Uppy and

28:37

keep a ball off the ground for

28:39

all 26 miles of it,

28:41

which

28:42

boggles the mind. Were

28:45

other people in that race with them? And

28:48

like how?

28:48

Confusing? Well,

28:50

and like, how would you control?

28:53

Because I imagine people like aren't paying

28:55

attention and they're like running right next to you.

28:58

You have to be like, oh, you left on your

28:59

left. Keeping a soccer ball off the ground. He didn't let

29:01

the ball hit the ground for all 26 miles wild. Not

29:03

the longest distance covered in

29:05

January 2010. Dan Magnus

29:08

was playing Keepy Uppy, played Keepy Uppy

29:10

for 30 miles, visiting

29:12

the stadiums of every Premier League team

29:15

in London in the process, just in a circuit.

29:18

That's so long a distance to

29:21

ambulate, let alone kick a soccer ball

29:23

around. In 2020, Imogene Papworth

29:25

Heidel performed 1,123,586 touches over 195 days to raise money for

29:32

charity. Obviously not in one long stretch,

29:35

but still that's a tremendous number of times to make

29:37

a soccer ball hit your body. So

29:40

there's obviously a big connection to Hacky Sack here,

29:43

which could be played communally, albeit with a much, much

29:45

smaller ball. Interestingly enough,

29:47

Keepy Uppy has historical roots. In

29:50

Japan, during the Heian period,

29:53

Court Nobles and other members of the aristocratic class

29:56

played a game called Kamari, which

29:58

is basically Hacky

30:00

Sack, like Team Keepy Uppy, where

30:03

you only use your feet to juggle a ball,

30:06

keep a ball in the air. The ball is

30:08

like soccer ball sized, but it's Hacky

30:11

Sack sort of consistency, like it's

30:13

full of barley. I imagine it's quite a heavy

30:15

ball, but they kick

30:18

it around and it was considered a very

30:21

fancy and dignified game

30:24

that was in fashion for like a wicked long time.

30:27

History until sumo wrestling became more popular

30:29

in the Sengoku period. In

30:31

the 14th century, Kimari

30:33

was codified into an art

30:36

form called Kimarito,

30:38

which was taught to the aristocratic

30:41

class alongside poetry and

30:45

tea ceremonies. So it

30:47

was expected for you to be very

30:49

good at Hacky Sack if you belong to a certain

30:51

class during that period of time.

30:54

Can I ask you, have you ever been in a situation

30:56

where you've been asked to Hacky Sack? Of course.

30:59

What is that experience

30:59

like for you? I kick

31:01

it in the air once and I'm like, hey, I'm pretty good at this.

31:04

And then my second kick makes it go in some wild

31:06

direction. And I'm like, I can save this. And

31:08

then I don't save it.

31:09

I think I have never been asked to Hacky

31:11

Sack.

31:12

You never like been walking down the quad and

31:14

like a wayward ball leaves

31:17

its little druid circle.

31:18

I have

31:20

watched Hacky Sack. I have tried

31:23

to Hacky Sack on my own in

31:25

the privacy of my own

31:27

space. I don't know that I've ever been in

31:29

a circle and been like, all right,

31:32

we're doing this. I think I have avoided it

31:34

my whole life. It was a

31:36

reward you could exchange tickets

31:38

for at the pub, which was our local arcade.

31:41

And I would get a Hacky Sack quite often because it was only

31:43

like 200 tickets. You know, I was always fucking rolling

31:46

in them. And then I would go out with my group of theater

31:48

friends and be like, hey, guys, look what I got, Hacky Sack. And

31:50

then I would kick it to someone and it

31:52

would like hit them in the thigh. And

31:54

then they'd be like, we're done.

31:57

That was the thing is that I always felt

31:59

like. If it's kind of like slack

32:01

lining and that you see people do it

32:04

and they seem pretty good at it And

32:07

then there's there's nowhere for a beginner like

32:09

me to jump in, you know, that's

32:10

not sure I bet there's you bet you could slackline

32:13

No problem. Oh, yeah, I think you'd be good at it

32:16

You can still watch people play kimari

32:18

today Because during some festivals

32:21

in the Kansai region folks get dressed

32:24

up in costumes like resembling Heian

32:27

period aristocrats and

32:29

they play kimari at Shinto shrines

32:33

and folks gather around to watch them and

32:35

it basically just looks like a bunch

32:37

of Fancy bros kicking a

32:39

big hacky sack around and it kind of kicks

32:42

ass. Yeah There's

32:45

I watch some YouTube videos of it and it's

32:47

delightful to watch people in like really

32:50

ornate regalia Playing

32:53

hack is very very

32:55

good. It's just it's fun to kick

32:57

a ball around to people It's fun to keep

32:59

a balloon off the ground with children and

33:01

have them hit it back to you in turn And

33:04

I just love I love how many cultures

33:06

across human civilizations have

33:09

realized that it is what I love about

33:11

like Games particularly sort

33:13

of folk games, which I guess you could lump this into

33:15

that category of just like Independently

33:18

so many people realize like hey, it's

33:20

actually pretty fun to do this thing Yeah,

33:23

just has all these different forms across all

33:27

of civilization

33:28

We thought for sure because the

33:30

two things that are able to unite

33:32

are our children a very differing

33:34

age is The balloon yeah,

33:36

and also the trampoline. Yeah, we thought we'll

33:39

bring a balloon out to the trampoline and

33:42

it floated away So many times

33:44

just constantly Hey,

33:46

you

33:46

want to know what our friends at home are talking about? Yes

33:48

Here's a message from Alex who says bouldering

33:51

is my new favorite sport to watch It's athleticism

33:53

meets puzzles multiplied by the tension of plummeting

33:55

back to earth at any moment Plus all

33:58

the competitions are free on YouTube We

34:00

actually have a couple of friends who are like very into bouldering

34:02

and it's, it is a wild

34:04

scene. It is a wild scene

34:07

to see people

34:09

like put a rock

34:11

on the ground the size of a paperweight and

34:14

then they're like check this shit out and then they just like

34:16

go up on it on like four fingers

34:18

to just showcase their tremendous digital

34:19

strength. Yeah, I remember

34:22

when we were in Austin there was like a rock

34:24

climbing gym and then like a bouldering gym.

34:27

And it was like very clear these are different

34:29

skills, these are different communities with

34:32

like different challenges. And it's kind of fascinating

34:35

me to think about like these seem

34:37

like they'd be the same thing but they are very much not.

34:39

I also

34:39

don't know anyone who's kind

34:42

of into bouldering. It's true. It's

34:45

true. Seems like an all or nothing sort of sport

34:47

which I guess, you know, I watched free

34:49

solo, I get it.

34:50

Yeah, right. You're, I mean, you know, just

34:53

in the same way that I'd be good at slacklining, you'd

34:55

probably be

34:55

good at bouldering.

34:57

I mean, we did go to that. I mean, we

34:59

went to a rock climbing place

35:01

that was mostly for kids, but I did pretty

35:03

good. Sad it. Mia

35:06

says, my small wonder is the Big

35:08

Brother season 25. It's been a chaotic

35:11

wilding season

35:14

with great players and a guest player, Suri Fields

35:16

from Survivor. It's been a great way to get through

35:18

my year and I've been sharing it with my partner. Yeah. Your

35:21

parents are very big. They

35:22

do and my dad did make a point

35:24

to tell me that Suri was on it. All right. Which

35:26

like if anything was going to entice me, that would be

35:28

it. Yeah. But no, we still have

35:30

one. Maybe not. I think it's, I

35:33

worry that if we put

35:35

one more big reality franchise on our

35:37

plate, the whole thing's going to fucking topple over. True.

35:41

Did love Suri in Traders. Can't

35:43

wait for you to do. Yeah. It's going to be

35:45

hot shit. Who did you tell me was on it? They

35:47

just announced the cast for Traders

35:49

season. Oh, Sandra is going

35:51

to be on it, which I think will be interesting.

35:53

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