Wayne Hsiung ran for mayor of Berkeley, CA in 2020 to try and make the Green City a reality. Wayne is an animal activist, and, since 2013, the founder of animal activism organization Direct Action Everywhere.  

In this full conversation, we talk about: 

• Wayne's Green District idea for Berkeley
• Why we need economies of scale in clean meat production
• Cooperation between him and the elected Berkeley mayor
• Why his animal rights activism is a cover for his climate activism
• Why everybody should read Animal Liberation and watching Finding Nemo