On episode 249 of You, Me, Empathy, Cathleen Clerkin, PhD and I explore the myth of the heroic leader, the importance of perspective taking, being idealistic and realistic all at once, and Cathleen’s resilience research, my resilience skepticism, and her book, Resilience That Works.

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