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By. Hello

2:03

and welcome to your destiny! The comedy

2:05

show that has history. Serious. my name

2:07

is Greg Center I'm a public is

2:10

doing author broadcaster at the they were

2:12

grabbing a filthy six. the ghost of

2:14

Ancient Egypt. As we missed the

2:16

sarcophagus live where the most renowned rulers

2:18

of all fine and Rameses the correct

2:20

for help make fuck about Ramses. I'm

2:23

joined by to very special guest in

2:25

History Corner. If curator of Egypt and

2:27

Sudan and much the museum it's color,

2:29

University of Liverpool and chair of the

2:32

Egypt Occlusion Society. I heartily recommend Books

2:34

Pocket Museum H It's Doctor Campbell Price.

2:36

Hello Campbell, how are you? I'm fine.

2:38

I'm absolutely thrilled to be here discussing

2:41

Rameses of the group and in Comedy

2:43

Corner she's a comedian and writer. For

2:45

you'll know from loads of tallied including Frankie

2:47

Boyle, New World Order, Eight or Ten can't

2:49

Some of the week of Edinburgh Fringe show

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Venus was nominated for best newcomer award and

2:53

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2:55

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2:57

episodes about a Sunday Gonna and The Chevallier

2:59

Decide George it's likely due to Hi Sophie

3:01

how are. You hi I'm so thrilled

3:04

to be that I really what

3:06

a new like history bay the

3:08

I can reference could the Soviet

3:10

sonos I keep dropping him it's

3:12

conversations Luckett ever relevance thought. I

3:14

think having like in Egypt they

3:16

would be. A real basic I

3:19

say so but I doubt if I'm saying

3:21

is that is say. Oh, I think

3:23

he was so free he was attacked with.

3:25

this is something Sophie limited. The authentic gun

3:27

or episode you were in gonna mooted. Yeah,

3:30

Valley Eight episode you spoke French so yeah

3:32

yeah, me. I'm hoping you're in Egypt right

3:34

now, right? So. As research ninety have

3:36

I watched the three months documentary the

3:38

Prince of a Debt by have been

3:40

on the Rameses revenge ride accessing Ten

3:42

a sudden I think of an elbow

3:44

qualified have both this week about. At

3:47

something to experts him and you

3:49

know much about Ramses. I'm not gonna

3:52

lie, see a. Because. That would

3:54

be unethical. I have a few eat

3:56

it and I went well as university

3:58

and I saw. Cough

4:01

it. Gets. says. The

4:03

click of a guy. possibly other guy.

4:05

Yeah, I'm. A sucker for guys.

4:07

Obstacle for go. To

4:10

assess assess. So what do you know?

4:18

This. Is where I have a go Guessing will

4:20

people a home might know about says that?

4:22

A subtext. People might know Ramses the Second

4:24

or Ramses the Great from his role of

4:26

bad guy in Hebrew Bible. According to some

4:28

scholars model, he is the Pharaoh in the

4:31

Book of Exodus. So he's the guy who

4:33

brings about the ten plagues. All his because

4:35

of the Prince of Egypt and our lives about

4:37

have exactly. The Prince of Egypt, which was

4:39

the nineties animated movie with My Signs

4:41

and then became a western musical. He's

4:43

also in Civilization Five if you're hardcore

4:45

gamer and if you're a hardcore Poetry

4:47

fancies the famous Ozymandias from Percy Be

4:50

Shelley's poem or him and his this

4:52

Is Greek name. He also had. A

4:54

different Egyptian name which is so much

4:56

threat Is that right? Campbell? Yeah, that's

4:59

acceptable. So. You've gotta love name. So

5:01

for he's Rameses the Great from his

5:03

second with the metropolis humanity us you

5:05

Mister Mariam and he beloved of our

5:07

moon lot Sometimes I see more like

5:09

snake dog what he's gone through. Life

5:12

replies yes exactly where it for youth

5:14

at the age of Egyptian equivalent of

5:16

told. People

5:19

might know Ramses the Second, or Ramses the

5:21

Great. Who was he? Was he really the

5:23

grapes? And what can we know for sure

5:25

about someone who lived so long ago? So

5:27

I'm in Campbell. First things first: Ancient. Egyptian

5:30

history is. Murder. Says it's

5:32

literally thousands of years. So where in

5:34

that fine line is Rameses go? And

5:36

and what do we call that period?

5:39

We think of Ancient Egypt as this

5:41

big monolithic whole. A message to said:

5:43

it's a long time is three

5:45

thousand years of just for Roenick Egypt

5:48

Key is the second of eleven Kings

5:50

cold pharmacies. The Luther King The or

5:52

Cold Arms his. Because of him. He

5:55

rules between around Twelve Seventy Nine to

5:57

Twelve Thirteen B C E. De.

5:59

Paul. Nine teams Dennis State and

6:01

she's for Egyptologists call. Situated in

6:03

the New Kingdoms, we have the

6:05

old, the Middle and the New

6:07

Kingdom. To him, the pyramids were

6:09

already well over a thousand years

6:11

old. so T very much looks

6:13

back on his glorious history it

6:15

and he wants to outdo pretty

6:17

much everyone who comes before him.

6:20

So he's been trained for power

6:22

We think is that twenty four

6:24

when he becomes king, but say

6:26

see prior to that he does

6:28

have a coming of age party.

6:30

And he's given a coming of age gift. bit

6:32

like as it bomb it's are both you want

6:34

to guess what his big gift is from his

6:36

dad is a living thing? Yes yes. To

6:38

see get a. Snake.

6:41

Said. And lovely. Guess now as well

6:43

as smoking, less cute, more problematic. really

6:45

it's ah, lack of problematic living say

6:47

in who oh the Dekalb why he

6:50

gets a hurry of women are now

6:52

I guess this is the standard thing

6:54

right Campbell A whore in the women

6:56

that we the only birthday when your

6:59

teenage boy. Know. Now the Sli

7:01

range of Egypt's if you're a prince,

7:03

you do yes, But he's also given.

7:05

A. Life you were right says the I'd sleep

7:07

and this wife is the famous Was never

7:09

heard. Of Knesset. sorry, it's not

7:11

Reagan specific Bell. Never Taught

7:13

is an interesting person. Was saying

7:15

that Ramses family are Northerners and

7:18

causes. I say they're very much

7:20

new on the scene of the

7:22

old Fear Wing business. They need

7:24

to shore up political support from

7:26

the south of Egypt's so we

7:28

tend to reset. The north of

7:30

Egypt has lower Egypt and the

7:32

South Egypt as Upper Egypt. Confusingly

7:34

because we the Nile flows from

7:36

says to north. Sushi is a

7:38

southern bail on a projection princess

7:40

and so it's a politically expedient

7:42

for. Rameses to get with Nerf

7:44

Atari and judging by the monuments

7:47

dedicated to her. They. Do

7:49

seem to be quite a winning match.

7:51

Rameses presumably he's learned Redskins as the

7:53

destroys any the terms of the war

7:55

is Rameses sensitive and a little bit

7:58

you know he like poetry and. Or

8:00

is he like chariot monthly? Loves a bit

8:02

of rough and tumble. Can't wait to get

8:04

his bow and arrow out. Yeah, exactly. I

8:07

think Jesus be junkies. You'd be on the

8:09

chariot at the earliest possible age and there's

8:11

an expectation because his dad's a big warrior

8:13

see takes the sun a on campaign and

8:15

it seems that later on in set rain

8:18

when Rameses is old enough he gets to

8:20

leads and be actively involved in military exercises.

8:22

But we did get a sense he settling

8:24

down as well. You know he's married, he's

8:26

selling anything admin, he's off to war. his

8:29

I get the sense. That he's kind

8:31

of ready to step up and a

8:33

twenty four he does. He becomes the

8:35

King of Egypt. Am I right? Thinking

8:37

that Atari and Rameses has multiple children.

8:40

But. The main son is the heir

8:42

to the throne, right? Yes, we have

8:44

a son called Ahman Her. When M.

8:47

S. That we has. Ramses the

8:49

second, is on the throne. He's got his

8:51

son, he's got his wife, got a few

8:53

kids. And now com system of

8:55

imperial say that and us has quite sam

8:58

by know Egyptians and and empires know quite

9:00

rise in it Campbell that the not really

9:02

into empire but this is him expanding maybe.

9:05

Yeah I think the problem we tend

9:07

to look at Ancient Egyptians do this

9:09

for lanes of the British empire, state

9:11

institutions don't want to expand the territory

9:13

and the since we might think of

9:15

as as empathy for the do want

9:17

to have influence and they do want

9:19

to have stuff and so does an

9:22

opportunity an alien Ramses Rain to go

9:24

and beat some be block and he

9:26

takes it. This. Is where we get

9:28

to the very famous mental for mystery Sophie the

9:30

ever heard of the Battle of Cadets. Love.

9:34

With. A good best. So. Of Well so it's

9:36

a heroic victory. It's a triumph. It's the greatest

9:38

achievement of his career. He's gonna stick in on

9:40

all these walls. He loves this, the heroic battle

9:43

of good as in which he defeats the Hittites.

9:45

oney. That's one small thing about the massacre. that

9:47

which is slightly odd when I guess what it

9:49

is, I say. It's. Like a full of. Ideological

9:52

battle out of ideas or is what

9:54

is that? hearts and minds? But yes

9:56

and that's not let us know. Blood

9:58

set up. Yeah. The.

10:02

Twist is it is Greatest triumph is the biggest

10:04

when he puts on all it's walls. Problem is

10:06

he loses. Yeah this is something

10:08

which he goes on and on and

10:10

on and on a boat, on temples

10:12

and and and other sources so that

10:15

are are written papayas copies of the

10:17

cicada. This battle of today's me will

10:19

not shut up of a to buy.

10:21

In fact it seems to be at

10:24

best a draw. So those the hats

10:26

eight liter at move what tally the

10:28

second? Francisco's out with different divisions of

10:30

his army named after different gods like

10:32

Ss and Raw and Ahman and the

10:35

split up thinking they go intelligence. From

10:37

to petites that they've captured by

10:39

insight the are spies so they

10:42

confuse Egyptians. Egyptians get ambushed and

10:44

rameses basically. says. You

10:47

guys have deserted me and then only

10:49

the gods amen has come to my

10:51

aid and then I single handedly effort

10:53

of over the head tastes so it's

10:56

kind of unbelievable. For the general prospectus,

10:58

Rameses leads the kind of agree a

11:00

truce they are Ramses withdraws by Egypt.

11:02

No one in Egypt has been. Following.

11:05

Trade for own use. No one's got

11:07

the internet and at a newspaper. no

11:09

one can challenge the Living Gods account

11:11

of what has happened hundred miles with.

11:14

So he says he'd be everyone up

11:16

and Egypt rules that part of the

11:18

world. Less so that's what put on

11:20

Temple was and simple was a not.

11:22

Art galleries not just picture decoration

11:25

for ever you cause and hieroglyphs

11:27

which the ancient Egyptian temp for

11:29

is the god's words you are

11:31

literally making true. Is. Atlanta say

11:34

text or didn't happen came from a surplus

11:36

or it didn't happen unless if it and

11:38

happened is nice. Ramses of the is the

11:40

great conquer who hasn't on good. This is

11:43

also when he gets into his building phase.

11:45

Yes it was a builder's back in the

11:47

old kingdom of the middle came to be

11:50

built the pyramids but by the time Promises

11:52

is on the throne you have to miss.

11:54

Quite small it's hidden away in the valley

11:56

the kings but you build my who says

11:59

temples and stuff. Who's and Rameses

12:01

just goes hell for leather

12:03

on building statues and it

12:05

seems his father said he

12:07

the first. As a big

12:10

builder also but he is totally

12:12

eclipsed by has son who takes

12:14

on a lot of the building

12:16

projects his dad started and then

12:18

basically be purposes than with his

12:20

own name Sophie Tuna guess what

12:22

he name's the capitol after head

12:24

south east ssssss a killer see

12:26

that is the fries say that

12:28

segments apple out and south get

12:30

inside and south of ssssss is

12:32

I see if he were a

12:35

mighty pharaoh. What you can name

12:37

your city. Feel like it's quite

12:39

even. Also, Dionysus the Us yourself the that.

12:41

Well concedes that out. Ssssss that are

12:43

like guess some gets as a.

12:45

non said at the completely seal on his

12:47

gag idea that yeah I think her name

12:49

it something. Where. People that like I

12:52

have to go that hot and sexy People thou

12:54

like the city of with as i think. City

12:56

of when it has good city of winner

12:58

of Alice. Yeah okay so Rameses builds the

13:01

template Abu symbol which took a modest thirty

13:03

five years. The put up famously has to

13:05

enormous statues of him treating you on the

13:07

way in. No one of him and his

13:09

wife the him times to which I love

13:11

and this sixty five feet whole Ramses does

13:14

all sorts and I think is worth thinking

13:16

about the fights when he comes to the

13:18

through. This isn't always gonna love to be

13:20

ninety two things I need to make a

13:22

mark in history and he just goes out

13:25

it early doors. Like the clappers

13:27

so he takes over like as a

13:29

project and statues of his dad but

13:31

any less bit longer he just keeps

13:33

going. Eap has a their paralyses that

13:35

the city we've been talking about. there

13:37

are at least sixty colossal statue services

13:40

more than ten meters tall. or that's

13:42

more statues than most other firouz you

13:44

know, complete in a lifetime Ramses Just

13:46

as that. For for one city their

13:48

mindset is ip intensive. When a city

13:50

your new city built what are you

13:52

having on the way? And you know

13:54

when people come into. The. Opening gates.

13:57

Oh. I think it's actually quite funny,

13:59

that is. It himself quoting himself on the

14:01

way. And physicists effects. I think

14:03

that either delicate nord say maybe because flag

14:06

as both like the light of the unicode

14:08

oh I think that he to be some

14:10

mystery. maybe the as like her body of

14:12

water that flight bounding it will make it

14:14

as a big wall so maybe you go

14:17

straight into a mouth like a funhouse train.

14:20

Second of my. Head. Is like the

14:22

entrance. And. My mouth. so I

14:24

lied. I. Think you've missed

14:26

your cornucopia? has been in an

14:28

accident? Pharaoh a spectator. There is

14:31

a certain grandiosity to Ramsey's Some

14:33

statuary isn't that. Your.

14:35

Your Egyptologist kind of job that that

14:38

Rameses has this crude can of. Wham.

14:40

Bam! Thank you Rob Iowa

14:42

to his carving. He has a

14:45

particular saying about Colossal Starts

14:47

Mrs. Something Ounce have recess and

14:49

published about in the past.

14:51

It really upsets me that he'd

14:54

zero warships and earlier King Ahman

14:56

hosted the third. He's King

14:58

Tut's granddad. Great thing! Rules for

15:00

almost forty years, has lots

15:02

of starts. His palaces, temples and

15:05

rameses emulates him by. Not

15:07

just saying he's the son of

15:09

a godlike every king does. He

15:11

says I am an actual gods

15:13

and he creates these colossal statues

15:16

that have the or names so

15:18

it's his name, Ramses name and

15:20

another name so the each have

15:22

an individual identity to the stats

15:24

you can have functions independently from

15:26

the Pharaoh to people com and

15:28

the worship the statue as can

15:30

have a. Define. Manifestation.

15:34

Of. The King I think

15:36

it's a bit creepy. I want.

15:38

Them surplus. It may innately the not be like

15:40

oh this is just like thirty but it does

15:43

it. Sat. Close as pets and. Assess

15:46

as easily available, felt. That they have. Silly

15:48

if you've got all these stats. Easy kind of etti to be

15:50

that. We've already mentioned his first queen an

15:52

Atari. People have often said this is the

15:54

only love of his life, which I don't

15:56

know, that sort of Victorian propaganda or or

15:58

have had been Hollywood romance. I. Certainly

16:00

seems to be steam. She gets her own

16:02

temple but she does die before him. She

16:05

does to get through and Templar obvious symbol

16:07

services the rocket ones in the very safe

16:09

of Egypt and it's kind of his and

16:11

hers temple. He's got one but she's got

16:14

one as well because he's a god. She's

16:16

ago this before she dies. many years before

16:18

he does. She has this beautiful to the

16:20

Valley of the Queen. So we have the

16:23

Valley The Kings. There's also the Valley The

16:25

Queen's not much less than it was pillaged

16:27

in antiquity. There's a little furniture knob which

16:29

has the. Name. Of an earlier king that

16:32

maybe is one of her relatives. A

16:34

lot of speculation about our family with

16:36

as he came from and very sad

16:38

that are remains of the knees and

16:40

sense of a body. No one else

16:42

seems to have been buried in the

16:44

him so that's presumably no fatalities. Nice

16:46

with well use defining the mummified bodies

16:48

and Sarah isn't and queens but. Just.

16:50

The knees and sins. Sills.

16:53

Liquid and big government. Is

16:55

that the semester that body with? Take him.

16:57

Somewhere Yeah, because it smashed up

16:59

to get jewelry. Probably That's why

17:01

it's such a miracle that Ramses.

17:03

Body. And other kings bodies have

17:06

survived the depredations of to robbery.

17:08

I don't see their son his name on going

17:10

completely mangle happening in a guy with a hum

17:13

and hey when a mess I think guests vaguely

17:15

were you when they said their son also dies

17:17

relatively young as well. in a he's he's the

17:19

crown prince's the air his men to be next

17:21

in line but he seems to go in his

17:23

twenties and says Rameses Mary's again. But

17:25

the new wife is it's know frets his hour

17:27

I guess he said no threat. That's right, I

17:29

thought you were asking if it was no threat

17:32

that. that's the lesson Her son of a. D

17:37

C. Solicited off

17:39

and that if is a no threat to

17:41

that it's over. There is no threat is

17:43

the seconds great weiss in there. Otherwise we

17:45

we now is the Hittite brides and she

17:48

has their own child as well another heir

17:50

to the throne so he said it replaces

17:52

one ever. The new air. The. Yet

17:54

because the kids are dying off because you know

17:56

you are, you would do well in Ancient Egypt.

17:58

Have you made it said? Thirty so

18:00

he keeps going. So essential for as

18:02

you say becomes the second Great way

18:05

but she's and seeding because she seems

18:07

to be on like never taught a

18:09

from a northern part of Egypt and

18:12

we don't have her. Tim. We've.

18:14

Never find her body so she still alive.

18:17

Possibly he knows cryogenically frozen percent know

18:19

a thing. As soon as we would

18:21

probably have some remains of the to

18:23

him because we know so much been

18:25

if a terrorist him we don't have

18:27

it so that may be one of

18:29

the teams to be discovered in the

18:31

future. So we're talking here about onesies.

18:33

His family said that the ransom it's

18:35

called not so says he tuna. Guess

18:37

how many children Rameses the Great has.

18:40

Ah, I'm.

18:42

Gonna say. This.

18:45

Though bigger, a hundred and fifty s a

18:47

hundred. Yeah, it's a minutes. Why are they

18:49

can sell fifty two boys, forty I girls

18:52

or something like that? I'd like to know

18:54

there's a lot of kids run at. About

18:56

One of the weirdest things are spies about

18:58

ancient Egyptian cultures that you get marriages between

19:00

a father and a daughter. So rameses Mary's

19:03

for of his daughters and they could been

19:05

to nath know Tom and never tawi and

19:07

and it maria think to rape us. Diplomacy

19:09

is an array. I'm getting better. This is

19:11

a customer at this is not creepy, it's

19:13

just a kind of dynastic. Thing. Yeah,

19:16

it does mystery to us, but how that

19:19

slut could it be that. This

19:22

is this. It's it's all relative,

19:24

cultural, culturally relative. These are not

19:27

necessarily sexual relationships. these are ritual

19:29

relationships because they aren't keeping in

19:31

the family and the sense that

19:33

the our daughters of important women

19:36

said they are the a qualified

19:38

if you like to accompany their

19:40

father in certain ways. So Ramsey

19:42

second wife is no threats and

19:44

they have another. Son is can

19:47

become the crown prince and his name

19:49

is timeless Sets time wasa yeah A

19:51

Ramses also has a pet he's gotten

19:53

adorable good boy. He follows him around

19:55

the palace to the guess what? It

19:57

was so sick. Of it that he said

19:59

it. Good boy makes you think it's a dog.

20:01

I was going to say cat but has he gotten

20:03

oh. Rothys. Rosa you rub

20:05

your posting thing and cats pet lion.

20:08

I think he's like the Rock Ss.

20:10

yes he's like as an alpha male

20:12

by the same time he does that

20:14

have three dude who takes care of

20:16

people the some other sacred stuff we

20:18

should talk about actually in terms of

20:20

Ramses there a very famous and Portland's

20:22

festival or Jubilee called the said festival

20:24

a Cd and this was held for

20:27

king off to the had room for

20:29

thirty years was quite rare Systems nominee

20:31

kings get along. How many do you

20:33

think Rameses had? Sophie. Tape rules to

20:35

sixty. Six is. That. He's

20:37

that a have had least two way it's off

20:39

the day if you get i think maybe

20:41

had like five to ten. As a really

20:44

good guess, he went with fourteen soon. A

20:46

guess what the festival involved? Sophie's bit of

20:48

physical activity. Ah, Wrestling. With

20:50

people jogging realising that Campbell i'm a

20:52

male we talking has yet to circumnavigate

20:54

the palace right? Be good. Seems that

20:56

the issue of us for you're never

20:58

sure if for his own the temple

21:00

always ice before people dead and at

21:02

nine years old I don't you boys

21:04

actually running roads, doing this ritual jog

21:06

you run run these two markers which

21:08

seem to represent the boundaries of Egypt's

21:10

box be one interpretation and the fight

21:12

the you running random and circling the

21:14

means you control them and your master

21:16

of them. I also proves you're physically

21:19

fit. To rule. So yeah, the

21:21

Hague said was also about confirming

21:23

the kings divinity and sometimes some

21:25

kings used to upgrade the divinity.

21:27

It's not seems to be what

21:30

happens with Rameses. He really. says.

21:33

Around zero thirty. Okay, now I'm extra

21:35

specially divine and any keeps having them

21:37

yet every three or four years. It

21:41

seems quite weird, like give yourself like

21:43

the Wizard of the Fleet tests every

21:45

four years. Ssssss.

21:48

And com was sets like his. His

21:50

other elder brother also did not outlive

21:52

his dad. Right now, Rameses the Great

21:55

outlived almost all the his children, didn't

21:57

he? Campbell, yes, as his thirteenth son,

22:00

The eventually succeeds in a few imagine

22:02

in this culture where people don't make

22:04

it into for we would call middle

22:06

aged much it he really was saying

22:08

he was a god and he just

22:10

wasn't dying so people would think cause

22:12

he really as a god. Ramses.

22:15

A second or Ramses the Great does

22:17

eventually die of Aids. We think about

22:19

ninety see presumably wasn't in in peak

22:21

physical condition. Yeah, this is the funny

22:23

thing about having them. the mummified remains

22:26

of of ancient Egyptian kings. We tend

22:28

to kind of characterized them in terms

22:30

of the mummy because we have this

22:32

medical curiosity and voyeurism. Which. I

22:34

don't think is terribly healthy. Actually Rameses would

22:37

want us to remember they athletic statues but

22:39

a museums often you go as you see

22:41

an Egyptian mummies. how did they die for

22:43

medical condition to the have yes he was

22:46

an old man. he had yeah abscesses in

22:48

his his gums and arthritis need would be

22:50

stepped over but then you know that's that's

22:52

just human life So I'm people say lots

22:54

of things that maybe had red hair we

22:57

don't have. yes the had read here it

22:59

may have been died by them on the

23:01

skis and process. He was buried in the.

23:04

Valley. Of the king's at then.

23:06

That's. Not where he the suit says he

23:09

he wanted guess who or what found his

23:11

body and I say well as in it's

23:13

an animal. I. Would sit to be less

23:15

a cool that says that. lie ahead. That.

23:18

I think he was probably fat. log off the

23:20

that light had. Passed. On to

23:22

Pride Rock in the sky. Maybe look like a little

23:24

dog? They they look a little lapdog. It's a

23:26

runaway goat. Another

23:29

story slyly in embarrassed and and

23:31

romanticized that there is a a

23:33

story to tell yeah they're as

23:35

they're always as and it's usually

23:37

of do this or don't a

23:39

that we're fine so sensitive and

23:41

eighteen eighty one there is an

23:43

official discovery of this to which

23:45

is chock full of coffins with

23:47

kings queens elite people as like

23:49

an ancient Egyptian whole magazine come

23:51

to life. Under. The

23:54

great but. This.

23:56

To him has been discovered up to

23:58

ten years before. My local people

24:01

air the outdoor Russell family and

24:03

they thought wow this a team

24:05

full of they stuff will start

24:07

selling some the stuff as you

24:09

woods but archaeologists see these things

24:12

appearing on the art market and

24:14

think hang on nuts good names

24:16

of kings and queens we don't

24:18

victims of. We think there has

24:20

been a discovery somewhere and they

24:22

go down and is European authorities

24:25

in charge of the Egyptian antiquities

24:27

service Is that torture and the

24:29

get. The story I have the

24:31

Abdulle Russell Brothers of We're The The

24:33

To As and the Go and they

24:35

find to and basically overnight. The.

24:38

Shit out dozens of a coffins from

24:40

from this to and lox. ah in

24:42

the south Egypt back to Cairo and

24:44

among them probably the most famous kings

24:46

of it's Egypt. His Ramses the second,

24:48

says he was the best thing you

24:50

ever sound more chasing a runaway get.

24:52

Oh. I see had says

24:54

classy guys. Gonna. Hang

24:57

assess, assess. The Ice Skater a

24:59

Lady Dynamite frame my hair. And.

25:01

She had lots of day. So I

25:04

may be I would like to have found the

25:06

get at run off with likes them hair extensions

25:08

after they with he slept watch me while i

25:10

have gay braided and as i regret like they

25:12

might be like. Gate. City pays,

25:15

get sick, let my own. Else

25:18

is an amazing we've yeah that's

25:20

in ways that Russia has as

25:22

they like. yeah we that hit

25:24

him with assess assess assess assess.

25:26

The. Boise in a different

25:28

team Campbell yes it's thing certain com

25:31

and is not normal cause he was

25:33

actually sounds really was buried Most of

25:35

the other tips and a royals have

25:37

either been damaged destroyed like totaled know

25:40

fatality with her knees or they had

25:42

been gathered as Rameses was on. Put

25:44

in a royal class at the end

25:46

of the New Kingdom when Ramses ruled

25:49

the web economic problems there was a

25:51

spate of to robberies and to the

25:53

authorities in Egypt's couple hundred years after

25:56

Ramses had died. Thought. They

25:58

had to gather up all the king's. Together

26:00

and bury them in one safe

26:02

place. But. You know, What

26:10

That brings us onto the nuance window. This is

26:12

where Sophie and I take little break, and we

26:14

allow our expert Doctor Campbell to talk for two

26:16

uninterrupted minutes about whatever he needs us to hear.

26:19

Campbell. You'll to talk about Rameses is

26:21

pushing for propaganda. Maybe that's not the

26:23

right word. Three, two, One thousand

26:25

Yuan Swindon I think because we

26:27

know or think we know so

26:29

much about someone called them sued

26:31

great we tend to make a

26:34

lot of assumptions. Geese same us

26:36

for being bombastic and and boastful,

26:38

particularly with the case of the

26:40

Battle of today's but we tend

26:42

to win. would describe Uma. Talk

26:44

about propaganda. And we

26:46

use that term with a modern

26:48

understanding of political propaganda and put

26:50

you have to understand what's rameses

26:52

as he's loving and twelve hundred

26:54

bc he when there isn't an

26:56

alternative. To. Autocratic

26:58

Monarchy Only there are political parties

27:01

he's not appealing to a general

27:03

public. Key is the divine king,

27:05

so when he's building colossal statues

27:08

I wonder if not the their

27:10

propaganda because the general mass of

27:13

people fundamentally do not matter to

27:15

the elite. He is more likely

27:17

to be advertising to the gods

27:20

because he sees the gods as

27:22

his peers and so he sees

27:25

himself and not a keeping that

27:27

society. For eternity. So when we

27:29

see a colossal fancy we instantly

27:32

think autocratic oriental their spots. That's

27:34

what they're like in Egypt's add

27:37

the have these despotic ruler and

27:39

it's fundamentally judgmental, prejudice, racist attitude

27:41

which we project back and passed

27:44

by. I think Rameses as as

27:46

much advertising to the gods and

27:49

is also advertising to himself. He's

27:51

going into the temples and is

27:53

seeing these huge colossal status of

27:56

himself and thinking. You know what?

27:58

Maybe I am a king. I. God

28:00

and I can do this job.

28:02

so it's kind of positive self

28:04

affirmation on a different scale and

28:07

I think we misunderstand rameses if

28:09

we use the modern tend to

28:11

loaded modern temp propaganda amazing, think

28:13

as and much sophie. Any thoughts

28:15

on that? I. Think

28:18

when you like to keep making stats if he

28:20

thought that making that sees I think he is

28:22

like the my friends to get my candle making

28:24

that. And. Then added constantly Day of

28:26

an Easel is to fool with self cat.

28:29

Like. Oh that sickest as a lot of stuff you

28:31

do you like? Yeah and Thera. A set of

28:33

us as but that's basically it for all

28:35

show. Oldest less than a to do is

28:37

to say massive colossus. Thank you to Aussie

28:39

wonderful guests in History Corner! We had the

28:42

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28:44

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28:46

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28:48

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28:50

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28:52

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