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know we are. You hang out with us
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tonight. In the chat were in their leukemic
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is going to be on the show exile. For
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their. Dens a lot here per
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usual me i am galaxy or
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do. We
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got Jordan. Hare. And the virus
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out of control. My assistant by day,
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but apparently by night. The director of
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our show, I, Kelsey. Hello hello, I
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am kills the also a Fi movie critic
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once again knowing a little not viral I'm
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you can pick up some steam with your
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letterbox. Your views of High School Musical are
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are gaining some traction on. To.
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Dig Dug! Yeah, all the
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comments just say I'm right which League
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of Korea's. Wow yeah G expected the
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right now I just feel like it's hitting
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a school musical fans feeds. You know the
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algorithm is giving like minded people that content.
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Yeah. But like who doesn't like high school
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musical acts are really it's hitting everyone's feeds
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because everyone's a fan and. Amen! no one
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had ever say about the Earth as I saw
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heard Kelsey saw Challengers this weekend with the. Are.
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Friends and they are all the how was it,
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that's the tennis movie. I.
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Saw it was. it's really good. I
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really enjoyed. Have you drafted a letter
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box? Your view: Fortieth. I.
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Have a whole it up. Okay we would.
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Love to get to that a second. Also, I
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do have some things that I want to discuss,
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including Benson Boon. I do want to talk about
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prom. Go! By when
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you're in a relationship that I'm really kind of
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obsessed with that's all over tic toc. And yes,
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leukemic is going to be. You're on the
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shelf. Very exciting. We have a lot
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to discuss with them. Thalia feel a
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whole solo project to in ensue and
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chat. let us know what your was
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on your mind. Overtime the chat we
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have or California in the house Ohio,
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Uva, Woodstock, Kansas, Colorado, Iowa, Germany, Canada,
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Mexico, Sydney, Australia to live in. Try
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to figure out geography today so I
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may end up going to tomorrow. Land.
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Belgium. Maria. In Torbay.
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Cel jobs are and were
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belgian of answer to Maryland
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it apparently this incredible festival
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that ease like five star
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luxury. The acts are incredible,
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the production is. Hop
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of the line like there's no other place
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like tomorrow and on earth. And. Your
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to this thing? Ever heard of Mall and
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course but with there's different versions of tomorrow
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and as in tomorrow in building a particular.
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This. Thing is is another level. Go there and get
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a waffle. A lot whole of her
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leisurely caviar only champagne rooms and stuff. That's
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a terrible him and rooms here we have
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you heard of this? Oh. Wow.
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Hairless good. Jordan. Thank you! So
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now I also like your ankle. High odds
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were ousted as seeker. Oh they're real
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their that the ultra many is. The
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either from Australia with up out
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the derelict A.com not and since
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nineteen seventy four my bad. That
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yeah, I think there's any like may have
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because it's really gross or it down. Alice Good
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thanks I was rolling on the gonna say that
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yesterday and and I drove a rolling on the
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ground usher was did you enjoy yet the I.
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Did he seems uneasy scattered throughout? Not.
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Once I would have said i. Have
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as others branding throughout the festival. the third
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you I was there do song over
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the place use yeah I looked aren't
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wishes of is rolling around on the ground
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you worry rolling. Wow. The
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ground. I mean I I was sitting on
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the ground and than eight laid. Down so my
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hair was on the ground. So what was your festival
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experiencing? Would he would? He would he do in
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their farm that I. i'm
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walking around We're in
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a cute outfit, listening to some
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country music. Are you like on
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substances? Like what are you doing?
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You don't have to say it for legal reasons. I'm
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legally an adult that's allowed to partake in
4:13
things. Okay, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. In
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theory, yes. In theory. Well,
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depending on what you're partaking in, it's really
4:20
illegal. Doesn't matter. What are you doing? I'm
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just dancing. I'm just having a great time. I
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was with a big group of friends. It was really,
4:28
really fun. I'm just genuinely interested in like what the
4:30
country festival flow is. Like is
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it the same? It's kind of
4:35
just like a smaller country
4:37
Coachella. That's how I'd describe it.
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Like the Sahara Tet is like blocked off.
4:42
They close that part of the festival. So
4:45
it's literally three stages. Oh, wow. And
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one of them's inside. And
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yeah, I mean, the food's different.
4:51
Everything is different. There was like a Yellowstone
4:53
meet and greet area where you could just
4:56
like sit around these fake fires. And I
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don't know. That's cool. Yeah,
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no, it was cool. What
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was your favorite part of stagecoach this year? Oh,
5:05
it's a great, there was like this, the
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food. The food was awesome. The food.
5:10
Yeah. I was gonna say there was this Malibu
5:12
pop-up with like these really good frozen drinks because it
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was hot as heck. So
5:17
drank those, had a great time. No
5:20
one told me though that stagecoach is BYOM.
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What is that? The young man. Oh,
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oh. You're your own man? Oh, meaning like you're not gonna go there and
5:27
hook up. Well, I mean, just
5:29
looking for like a cowboy to hang out with. Yeah,
5:31
because everybody's, their tether's a fumble. Literally,
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I was buying a lemonade my first day and this
5:37
dude, the guy telling me a lemonade goes, have
5:39
you noticed that it's like one
5:41
dude for every seven girls? And I go, I
5:43
sure have. Thanks for mentioning it. You
5:47
are at this phase in life where you enter
5:49
every situation looking for someone. Like the potential
5:51
to meet someone is right. I don't know if
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that's true, but when I'm out looking super cute at a
5:56
music festival, then yeah, of course that's gonna
5:58
be going through my brain. I get it. I mean, yeah,
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of course. I love a good girl Let
6:05
me if there aren't any men to pick from and see what
6:07
else is out there point. Good point Yeah,
6:09
you gotta make do with what you got, right?
6:11
Yeah. Yeah, okay. Keep your options open All
6:14
right, so that it has a food at stagecoach
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You know the weirdest thing today, but did you
6:20
guys anybody watch the stream? I know you're there
6:22
but anybody off stream Of course, I had the
6:24
stream on the Amazon music stream on Prime and
6:26
here on Twitch this channel Actually, I had it
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on all weekend still very confused about Eric Church.
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I love it I thought it was amazing I
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thought it was great But if you're headlining the
6:35
opening night of a festival an acoustic gospel set
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not it probably not It's probably not the time
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and place for it I thought if I was
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paying to see that if I knew what I
6:43
was getting into I'll be like that was fantastic
6:45
Yeah, but it was the whole set and that's
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the thing it was it was infused here So
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are you pro Eric Church doing what he artistically
6:51
wanted to do? I am not I am pro
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him doing what he wanted to do if people
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knew what they were getting into And
6:58
what people were going out on a Friday night
7:00
ready to party and have fun to Eric churches
7:02
party and drinking songs I got over here with
7:04
Dan and he went up there on a stool
7:06
He sat there on a scene played all the
7:08
hits he didn't play covers. He played covers. He
7:10
didn't play his song I heard the whole set
7:13
list covered his hips. Is that wrong? No, no,
7:15
there was like a mass exodus when he started
7:17
playing He didn't he did you watch it?
7:19
Yes, he only played at the
7:21
very end He played one song through but it
7:23
was still acoustic. He made like trickled in parts
7:25
of other songs But he played one song of
7:27
his it was all covers all acoustic. He didn't
7:29
engage with the crowd He sat on a stool
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in front of a hundred thousand people on a
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Friday night opening night of a festival and played
7:36
an acoustic It hurts that and maybe and I
7:39
heard this argument on to talk to you He
7:41
played different when he watched it and it
7:43
did when I was watching it hit different
7:45
and to be honest. I'm Genuinely
7:47
like I know his songs, but like I
7:50
love covers I love covers and I love great
7:52
storytelling and like nailed the cover that he was
7:54
having a good old time up there Zach are
7:57
you saying it hit different like watching the stream?
7:59
Yeah, because I think in that moment you
8:01
can intimate and it's more intimate. Thanks to like
8:03
when it came out of the stool and there's
8:05
this beautiful choir behind him, you
8:07
can feel that texture and understand it emotionally when it's
8:10
really close up and you know what I'm saying? I
8:12
do get out of it. Yeah, when you're in the
8:14
back of the crowd and now it's nothing. Yeah, if
8:16
you're sitting on your couch, it's, it was good. I
8:18
was sitting in my bed, I was like, this is kind of nice, yeah.
8:21
And I was texting my friends who were there, I was like, what's going
8:23
on with our church? Like everyone's pissed. We
8:25
all came to have a good time and we're just like
8:27
sitting there staring at the sky playing. And
8:29
then getting like the intimate one and then the obviously
8:31
in person being a little different. The
8:33
rules kind of apply to sports too. That's
8:36
true. I went to a basketball game the other day
8:38
and like that thing plays differently on TV. And
8:41
actually I feel more a part of something when I'm watching it
8:43
on TV. I am into a Lakers game. Yeah,
8:46
yeah. For me, could be first
8:48
and last. I think my boyfriend's like into it now.
8:51
Like he's really into sports for some reason. What
8:54
didn't you like about it? Because you were far
8:56
away or what? Well, yeah, you're kind of far.
8:58
It's really crowded. You got to
9:01
navigate crowds. That's like really stressful for me.
9:03
Like honestly, it's so expensive. Do you know
9:05
it cost me over $100 per ticket and
9:07
fees alone? Yeah, that's why people complain
9:10
about that stuff all the time. It's insane. That's why President
9:12
Biden is working on that bill. Yeah.
9:14
Yeah. Thank you, Joe. Thank
9:17
you. I look forward to the day that we can say
9:19
we did it, Joe. Because that
9:21
would change my gaming experience. I just bought
9:23
a ticket to my friend's show. It's
9:25
for $21 and I spent $36 on fees and everything. I
9:29
love how it's labeled convenience fee. Yeah, there's
9:31
nothing convenient about that. No, it's called we're
9:34
robbing you. We're stealing
9:36
from you. Yeah, the robbery fee. We're
9:39
actually taking from you and laughing at
9:41
you. Inconvenience fee. Stealing fee. Disgraceful.
9:43
Anyway, yeah, but that was my question
9:45
about stagecoaches. What was Eric Church
9:48
doing? Again, sounded great. If I was
9:50
paying to see that, if he advertised it as
9:52
that, I would get it. Sounded amazing. Going to
9:54
have a good time. And
9:56
Post was very transparent in his set. You knew exactly what
9:58
you were getting on your own. your way into
10:00
covers covers covers except I I was
10:03
there in the crowd and waiting
10:05
for Post Malone to come on everyone's like that's him
10:07
and I was like no way I
10:10
heard our friend I heard our friends at
10:12
Nickelback did great oh dude they were sick
10:14
I was my favorite performance I watch Nickelback
10:17
Dipplow packed out the tent they were on
10:19
the indoor stage Dipplow had a huge crowd
10:21
too I was there it was actually the Palomino
10:23
stage Nickelback or
10:25
Dipplow both different nights is that
10:27
outside or inside? yeah it's outside but it's like a
10:30
tent oh yeah yeah yeah that's what I was saying
10:32
so when you see it on TV it's you
10:34
can see the the roof of the tent and I think
10:36
are there chandeliers or something? In
10:39
Coachella's past there have been but I didn't... I
10:42
think he hung some like there was like
10:44
a disco ball horse hanging out one of
10:46
them oh yeah no it was it was
10:48
fun Dipplow had like some cool dancers and
10:50
like this woman pole dancing who was incredibly
10:53
strong it was so cool to watch yeah
10:56
just fun dancing jumping it was fun all
10:58
of it Nickelback though that was awesome you got
11:00
to give our guys some credit they're coming
11:02
through again they're on the rise who
11:05
put somebody put a Creed song too right? Stagecoach
11:08
I heard yeah I heard rumblings I
11:10
love it I would love to go to a
11:12
Creed show oh my god I don't know Creed
11:14
cruise remember that's happening the
11:17
Creed... Come on guys that's right well you
11:19
guys will go with me right there's also
11:21
a Lana Del Rey appearance yeah stagecoach did
11:23
she appear on stage with the Beach Boys
11:26
yes okay I was watching the Beach
11:28
Boys performance and I saw this woman on stage
11:30
and I said I was like Lana Del Rey
11:32
yeah but they never like acknowledged Earth's anything which
11:34
is up there three weekends in the desert for
11:36
Lana and then Willie Nelson he
11:39
didn't bring out Beyonce I was waiting there
11:41
the cowboy Carter blimp starts going by
11:43
we're all like oh my god yeah
11:45
okay so I was really getting the
11:48
update there was rumors of Beyonce appearance
11:50
there's rumors are on Miley appearance no
11:52
I was hoping because Brandi Cyrus was playing so we
11:54
were all thinking oh me what if she brings out
11:56
Miley oh yeah Brandi Cyrus isn't there
11:58
drama going on with that family Yeah, there's
12:00
we were discussing this whole thing some crazy
12:02
like so they all do music It
12:05
sure seems that way I
12:08
mean it started with the dad my notes like
12:11
I need to keep track. Yeah, I thought brandy
12:13
was a podcast this turns out She's
12:15
also a musician. Yeah You
12:17
have a microphone sing yeah, yeah, I mean
12:20
I Got me doing
12:22
more you should start saying you have professed
12:24
how good you are at saying it we have yet to
12:26
hear it I don't know. I gotta get my breathing down
12:28
pat. Yeah, I'm Starting
12:30
to lose weight everybody. I'm back on my my kick.
12:32
Oh, what are we doing this time? I'm not gonna
12:34
tell you how I'm losing weight, but I'm going to
12:36
be losing weight, okay? Well you
12:38
said I'm gonna meet the
12:40
mic can I guess I was in quick. I don't
12:42
know to be honest I mean you don't know oh
12:44
you haven't decided how you're gonna go to a doctor
12:47
and let them figure it out with me I guess
12:49
so what if the doctor was just like do you
12:51
eat healthy? No, do you work out no and
12:53
the doctor's like well, let's start with these two Oh,
12:55
then I'll say like I would love to help assign I Don't
13:02
I don't want to put in the work. We're
13:05
flying rockets to the moon. You can't make me
13:07
lose weight tomorrow This
13:09
is bullshit fair about three months ago. I
13:11
did lose weight on my own Yeah, I
13:13
probably lost about 20 pounds. I wasn't gonna
13:15
have to do that. I
13:17
mean I just ate well I got it.
13:19
I wrote every day right right at
13:21
a rowing machine. Oh, I think that he wrote every day Feverish
13:24
writing Amazing
13:28
what eating well and exercising can
13:30
do yes Give
13:33
me the fast-track So long and
13:35
now I'm like ah I just out of
13:37
curiosity And I also like
13:39
always hit a wall so out of
13:41
curiosity. I'm like I wonder what I would look like Skinny
13:44
you always I've always what you've always
13:46
to wait you say it would I've
13:48
always said Yeah
13:52
If I get hot it's all over watch out
13:54
world the only thing that didn't work Do you
13:56
get see is my appearance? What do you mean
13:58
by that? Are you kidding? I got
14:00
great personality, great work Evan! We're
14:03
doing pretty well! The
14:05
only thing I lack, honestly,
14:07
is the ability to be confident and
14:10
look up. He's been saying that
14:12
since the day I met him. He is. What
14:15
was it again? As soon as he started, I
14:17
was like, I know what's coming. If I get
14:19
hot, it's over. No, if I get hot, it's
14:21
over. Because then I got everything. You
14:23
gotta understand, the universe strategically
14:26
held something back. So
14:30
if science can really disrupt
14:32
the universe just for a hot second, just
14:34
so I can see what I look like,
14:37
just so I can see, and then it can go away.
14:41
You're the one preventing yourself from getting there. I
14:43
don't know. I don't know. I think
14:45
it's deeper than that, brother. Yeah. And
14:48
that's why we trust in the scientists. Yes!
14:51
You know? Watch out, world. You do need to
14:53
go to the doctor for other reasons, though. The
14:55
world should watch out. If that's... Oh,
14:57
God. Just game over. Your
15:00
boyfriend goes to the gym. Why don't you go with him? Yeah,
15:02
he goes to the gym sometimes. Okay. Watch
15:05
out. Sorry, I'm just processing that. It's
15:07
a lot for me to process. He's
15:09
not gonna get my hands on this stuff. You
15:13
can do it. We believe in you. Thank you
15:15
so much. Thank you. Disappointing news
15:17
for any Taylor Swift fans. Taylor Swift, Travis
15:19
Kelsey not going to the Met Gala. Aw,
15:21
man. But don't stress. Swift does have the
15:23
top 14 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 right
15:25
now. Top 14? Yep.
15:29
That's pretty weak. I wonder why they're not going to the
15:31
Met Gala. I don't know. They got other things going on.
15:33
Quite too busy. Yeah. And Taylor
15:35
has a show in Paris then. Oh, okay.
15:37
Well, there's the answer. I feel like if you go
15:39
to the Met Gala once, you've done the Met Gala.
15:41
You know what I'm saying, guys, right? Yeah. There's
15:44
some return people going this year. A lot of people
15:46
go. Yeah. Taylor's been multiple times. I don't
15:49
know if Travis has ever been. I feel like you go
15:51
and then it's like you see somebody walking down the runway
15:53
with a lampshade on their head. You're like, I get this.
15:55
I'll skip out next year. Yeah. I Really
15:57
want to go to this? Met Gala one time. What
16:00
are your heart that the hell is? He.
16:02
I'd really want to go to the Met
16:04
gala one time to all over your Monday
16:06
resolves One. That's. Crazy. Think about
16:08
all the time. Though. It
16:10
James Charles going to the Met Gala? Well yeah, I
16:12
mean if you're it's. Didn't. Match
16:14
Gallegus percent with didn't have met Gala use
16:17
the road Geico really exclusive a list only
16:19
thing and now it's kind of become like
16:21
who's ever I mean hot at the moment
16:23
gets the invite this woman say yes and
16:25
not I mean hot. By physically hot zoc
16:27
I just me my to every pop and
16:30
gab. I think the pop even more when
16:32
I'm physically I. Grew.
16:35
Up all over a to have a
16:38
summer so on a blinder esteem would
16:40
suffer losses as you have to invite
16:42
us. Manifesting
16:46
the shit right here. Why do you want to go to
16:48
The Mack? Our. To. See that I went,
16:50
there are no actually have any other rigid
16:52
okay that crap doesn't want others Until we
16:54
were yeah I got ready the Met Gala
16:56
their hands were always or stars Garrison want
16:58
to be there because every time he hears
17:00
me talk about our yeah no as nothing
17:02
good I mean I really would go hobnobbing
17:04
thing and then like it's it's a networking
17:06
amount of odd, not a hob nob. You.
17:09
Know who buy those whose op
17:11
ed a naughty hobby who be
17:13
nabil. Or as though but
17:15
the answer to the whitehouse us not going of
17:17
people. I was going to be there for the
17:19
and mrs a cancer in Paris yeah the wiser
17:21
even discussion about it cause i wonder is a
17:23
dancer she should be there but it would be
17:26
amazing to see him or Sicilian Perry's. The.
17:28
Avowed, I'd rather see terraces in Paris
17:30
and anybody a mega honestly agreed easier
17:32
to decide chef right now Taylor Swift.
17:35
In Paris he have a meet you get
17:37
to be in the Vip tenth. You know,
17:39
whatever. Still sees it with the cushy Director
17:41
Sears. I see the photos. Or.
17:44
The. Mech Our. To. Summer now.
17:48
So. The question is, rather than like our
17:50
Towers Us concert or telescope concert everyday for
17:52
your life. Didn't tell see what he thinks.
17:55
Mack. Our. Ah, At gala.
17:57
absolutely as actually like followed
18:00
the mec alla really intensely since like I've known what
18:02
it is okay so when you at what age when
18:04
you were like three no
18:06
when I was like 13 probably like freshman
18:09
year of high school around then do you remember who
18:11
taught you what the mec alla was no
18:13
but I remember this girl Sarah Kaufman
18:16
she moved to Virginia she was
18:18
like the only person who was like really as
18:20
involved in it as me and we like talked
18:23
about it all the time and like ranked our
18:25
outfits is so much wow okay so I'm gonna
18:27
I'm gonna give you a hard one you have
18:29
to decide between the mec alla and the Olympics
18:31
you guys don't know Kelsey but she's obsessed with
18:33
she's one of eight people obsessed with the Olympics
18:35
whoa mec alla or Olympics decide Olympics
18:38
Wow all right
18:40
yeah obviously really oh Olympics over
18:42
mec alla any day interesting which by
18:45
the way in the chat it looks like Taylor
18:47
is taking it like 70 30 interesting Cameron where
18:49
you at mec alla or Taylor we'll go back
18:51
to the original uh
18:53
I'm gonna go Taylor easily
18:56
Taylor I don't understand why you would choose the
18:58
mec alla you would choose to go to this
19:00
event where you're just watching people walk upstairs exactly
19:02
Taylor is entertainment a three hour show but if
19:04
I'm like attending the mec alla I think you
19:06
would better our show by me
19:08
going and like trying to recruit guests I'm
19:11
in the VIP bar to attend. People would come
19:13
on the show and just sit there. No no
19:16
no you go to the mec alla you make friends
19:18
like haven't you seen all those moments? there's like a
19:20
dinner you're at tables it's a whole thing so you
19:22
would go and be like hey hey I'm a Chamberlain
19:25
hey Jack Harlow hey whoever Katy Perry call on
19:27
our channel. Well I make like actual conversations because
19:29
I'm not like a robotic loser and you're saying
19:31
you would meet you would meet nobody at the
19:33
Taylor Swift show and probably not got it so
19:36
you would rather go to the mec alla yeah
19:39
no no way it'd be way
19:41
more entertaining yeah and it's in Paris so I can
19:43
go to Paris and the Taylor Swift concert I have
19:45
a food sock I'm not gonna get into that. We'd
19:47
rather go out tonight and have fun or go to
19:49
the library yeah I'm gonna go out
19:51
and have fun no that's not the same like
19:53
if you're attending the mec out you have to
19:55
dress up you have a seat at a table
19:57
there's all these famous people around I have to
19:59
dress I'm already out. That's a you problem.
20:01
No, is it or I can go as myself How
20:04
I normally dress and have the party of
20:06
my life at Taylor show. Okay in Paris.
20:09
Okay. Yeah I respect you all for your decision. I
20:12
went to see Benson Boone last night He
20:14
did a show at the Palladium. I think it
20:17
was like a last-minute show to Will Smith was
20:19
there why I don't know Crazy
20:23
look I saw my own two not two
20:25
eyes, you know I don't know brag when
20:27
I worked in Nickelodeon at the Kids Choice
20:29
Awards the one that I hosted the pre-show
20:32
for and the backstage broadcast Diddy
20:39
yeah one direction performed Performed
20:42
Michelle Obama and Taylor Swift were
20:44
there. Did you keep his wife's name out
20:46
of your mouth? I did it's good Yeah,
20:48
but that's practice. He was there. He's at Benson
20:51
Boone last night. I gotta say Benson Moon
20:53
should be so proud of himself I've watched
20:55
him literally perform to nobody to the
20:57
biggest crowds right? Yeah I was just about to
21:00
say Benson Boone seems like a guy who's on
21:02
a track to perform in arenas He's already doing
21:04
arenas in certain cities. He deserves it. Yeah, he
21:06
is an absolute superstar the album I
21:08
think it's like fireworks and rollerblades or whatever. Yeah,
21:11
it is so good Please if
21:13
you haven't already given your time, it's
21:15
well worth it and see him He's a great live
21:17
performer and understandably try your wrap your mind around the
21:19
fact that he only started singing like three years ago
21:22
That's not I mean when do you come on
21:24
our show a year and a half ago two years ago? He's been
21:26
on twice, but he came first in like 2020 something.
21:30
Oh, that's cool Thank you. Do you think
21:32
he regrets leaving Idol? No, haha. Probably
21:35
not right? Yeah, he tells me what he he
21:37
left He walked away from it. Yeah, I left
21:39
American Idol He wanted to focus on the music
21:41
and then I think he ended up going to
21:43
like you were he with Dan Reynolds and that
21:45
Management company and he's been thriving ever since I
21:48
love Amazon music breakthrough artists last year I love
21:50
that. He left American Idol and it like worked
21:52
trust your instincts. He first came on our show
21:54
in June of 2022 Wow,
21:57
that's crazy. And then now look at him And
22:00
in 2022, when he came on our show, he
22:02
had only been singing for like eight months or a
22:04
year by then. Yeah. That's
22:07
really cool. So proud of him. So proud of him.
22:09
You know what? When he came on our show, it was really at the
22:11
spot where he could either go one way, become huge,
22:13
or just kind of start fading off. And he became
22:16
huge. And he became big. He
22:18
puts the work in. And the songs are really
22:20
amazing. Mm-hmm. I'm telling
22:22
you, this Hadi Seesaw music is having a
22:24
resurgence right now, which is mid-tempo,
22:27
live band instrumentation, that we haven't
22:29
really heard much of. I think
22:31
he's just really good. I love it.
22:34
Listen to it. Listen to it. What
22:37
else do we have here? Oh, Blue Ivy Carter
22:39
making her acting debut. She's going to
22:41
be in the Lion King prequel. Nobody asked for it,
22:44
but we're getting it. I've got to say, good for
22:46
her. She's giving me this movie. But is
22:48
there a reason they're doing a Lion King
22:50
prequel? Nobody's asking for that. Yeah, no offense,
22:53
Blue Ivy Carter. The bigger story is a
22:55
prequel to the Lion King. It was announced
22:57
today or yesterday, or the trailer came out.
22:59
It's the story. It's Mufasa's origin story, and
23:01
that's Simba's father. Yeah. Like, I'm okay. I'm
23:05
okay. I don't need to know Mufasa's
23:07
story. Like, where Rafiki came from? Where
23:10
the birds from? Yeah, I know. Where's the bird hat
23:12
from? I'm fine. A teenage Timon and Pumbaa? Like, we
23:14
don't need it. Cut it out. Give
23:17
me some new shit. I don't get it. Interesting.
23:20
It is interesting. The prequel. You're a big Lion King
23:23
fan, Dan. I like the Lion King on Broadway. I
23:25
like the music. Have you seen the stage
23:27
play? Have I seen it only four or five times?
23:30
Really? Yeah, it's magnificent. It's phenomenal. Gives you goosebumps and
23:32
chills. I want to see it. I'll go to New
23:34
York with you. You want to go to New York?
23:36
Me and Cameron go to New York. We'll see the
23:38
Lion King. Oh, yeah. Can you pay for
23:40
it? Can you pay for it? Can you take New York while I
23:42
pay for it? Yeah, we'll go on a couple weeks. You're walking. You're
23:44
walking the stairs in that gal and me and Cam will go enjoy
23:46
their time. I love that. I'd
23:48
love to go see some shows on Broadway.
23:51
I love that. So
23:53
cool. You're so cool, too. I can't wait to see it.
23:55
I can't wait to see all the other ones. Where are
23:57
the other ones? Wicked. Wicked.
24:00
See I've seen wicked would love to see it again.
24:02
We started a leg. I've never seen Hamilton. Oh, yeah,
24:05
not nothing much Okay, we can skip that what
24:07
else is there? I think that's it, right? Fucking
24:17
opera good. That's a nose brother family operas
24:19
closed. Yeah, that's never closed No, I'm telling
24:21
you they did like their famous last performance
24:23
fairly recently give that a Google those are
24:25
no these are the those shows Always come
24:28
back. Yeah, I mean I'll come back eventually
24:30
but okay, but he Big
24:32
deal. Yeah, it's not there. I ain't it was
24:34
running for decades west side story. I'm sure
24:36
it's running right now either What is running
24:39
a lot of time? What is
24:41
it hi Tammy? No, there's a lot of shows running.
24:43
Oh, I just mean, uh, there's a lot of stuff
24:45
and I thought Chicago Chicago. Yeah,
24:47
I'm actually never seen Chicago We
24:50
have a drag race star in that one. Yeah, I
24:52
just saw it at the Pantages. Oh Book
24:54
of Mormon still going Yeah, you got oh, I've seen
24:57
that one Harry Potter and the curse child,
24:59
but again, we don't know for all this before that it's
25:01
been running for off-riday for a long time JK Rowling's a terrible
25:03
person. You know, it's pretty cool. It's
25:05
gonna be do live-action TV show This
25:10
is very exciting like noise
25:13
Wow, are you auditioning? I'm ready. I was
25:15
that was my audition. It's gonna be a
25:17
one-hour drama project and yeah, it's Nearing
25:20
a deal to go to script.
25:22
So that's pretty exciting No funny Scooby-Doo is one
25:24
of those things. We just can't let it die
25:26
I'm cool with it every couple years somebody's like
25:29
we gotta do Scooby-Doo. It's like Ghostbusters It is
25:31
like guys let him go and Kelsey. Oh, don't
25:33
you have a deep connection with Velma or someone?
25:36
No, I have a deep connection with the whole
25:38
Scooby gang. It's my favorite movie of all time
25:40
is a live-action Scooby-Doo No, that's right. Who's
25:42
the best shaggy then? Alert.
25:45
Yeah, Matthew Leonard. Absolutely. Okay Who
25:49
is that the guy from scream? Oh,
25:51
that's why you like it No,
25:53
no, no Kelsey loves I
25:55
watch Scooby-Doo. No, I guess
25:58
no, I did probably watch Scooby-Doo before I
26:00
watched Scream, but I did watch Scream like
26:02
really scarily young. Okay,
26:05
those meddling kids. Are we excited
26:07
for this live action to be on Netflix? Like I'm here, but
26:09
the question is, like, is it a real dog or an animated
26:11
dog? It's gonna be an animated
26:13
dog. Not one real dog that can speak. Figure
26:15
it out. Yeah. I want Air
26:17
Bud style animatronics. That's
26:20
asking for a lot. No, but I hate
26:22
like, the one thing I did, did not
26:24
like about the movies, like, the Skull Island,
26:27
like those ones that you love, Kelsey, was
26:29
how illegitimate Scooby looked.
26:31
Yeah, I agree. It was a joke. I
26:33
mean, really, I mean, can you not agree
26:35
with that? Like, you see that and you
26:37
take that seriously? You go,
26:39
oh, that weird oversized, like,
26:42
hippo horse dog... He's a great dame, by
26:44
the way. ...has the ability to solve a
26:46
crime? Bullshit. That's
26:51
the issue with Scooby-Doo. Yeah. It's not
26:53
factually correct. There's no way a
26:55
dog would solve the mystery. I don't believe it.
26:57
I gotta say something. When I look at Lassie,
26:59
I go, lifesaver. When
27:01
I look at that Scooby, the anime of when I go, you
27:05
belong in a cage in a zoo. So
27:07
your take on Scooby-Doo is fake news, for
27:09
the record. Oh my God! Give me something
27:11
that looks real. Give me an actual crime
27:14
solving dog. Is that so much sad? Give
27:16
me believable. Like, do you remember those movies?
27:19
Oh, sorry. Well, Air Bud's great. Well, human
27:21
rugs, snow dogs, or like a... Clifford. You
27:23
know the cat when the cats like rule
27:25
the world? When
27:28
the cats rule the world? What's
27:30
the movie? Aristocats?
27:32
No. Come on, Kelsey.
27:34
You're a movie expert. I think you're thinking of Cats
27:37
and Dogs. Is it Cats and Dogs? Yes! I
27:39
was obsessed with that movie growing up. So good! I
27:42
look at those animals, I go, ah, this
27:44
is believable. I think they could take off
27:46
the furles. So you looked at that and
27:48
you were like, wait a second. Cats and
27:50
Dogs, is this a documentary? Holy
27:53
shit, I can talk. All I'm saying
27:55
here is like the technology exists to
27:59
get a more legitimate... looking canine
28:02
in replace of this like Pixar
28:04
looking horse
28:06
dog freak. I mean I don't agree
28:08
with you. The dog looked terrible in the Scooby Doo movies.
28:10
Sorry Kelsey. I
28:13
disagree but that's okay. I mean please vocally
28:15
disagree with me. Like what's going on here?
28:17
Like Dave has the opportunity to redeem themselves.
28:19
Do you not think a real dog should
28:21
be used in the filming of this movie?
28:24
I think yeah I love dogs absolutely.
28:26
Like employ a dog. I
28:28
love a dog. Employ a
28:31
dog. Dude dog rights. But
28:34
I also like watching the old Scooby Doo.
28:36
It doesn't take me out of it that
28:39
Scooby Doo looks like that. Like it first
28:41
like what else is the
28:43
content around us? None of this is giving real. Not
28:46
according to that. Well
28:49
that's like a confused because I also get like
28:51
that's where I was at with the Lion King
28:53
right? I watched the Lion King and I go
28:55
damn like this shit looks too real. The new
28:58
live action one? This looks like
29:01
the live action zoo at the six
29:03
parks thing gone wrong. See
29:05
look at a dog like that. I know. I
29:07
don't know what you like or don't. I don't
29:09
know what you want actually. I'm
29:11
torn. I initially thought
29:13
that that Lion King, the live
29:16
action one, was going to be like very
29:18
Pixar-y. And it wasn't. No,
29:20
no of course not. And it
29:22
was very real. That's the point
29:24
of it. So the question I have right
29:26
now is like do I want to subject Scooby Doo to that? I
29:29
thought you just said you wanted Scooby Doo to look real. I
29:31
do. Like a part of me does. Why
29:33
is Donald Glover there? Well
29:35
he's in the movie. You played Simba. Oh
29:37
that's right. So you don't. I don't know. I
29:41
don't know if I want a real dog to play Scooby or
29:43
I want like that. Like that's frightening. What?
29:45
Is that who it is now? No
29:48
that's the old one. The little island one.
29:52
He's making a weird face there. But
29:54
also that's like the mixture between a real dog and like a
29:56
fake dog. Right. Or do
29:58
I want a real dog, real dog? You
30:00
know pull up air but look how legit that looks
30:02
but everybody didn't talk that's not true
30:04
everybody was speaking words Wait,
30:07
there, but not everybody. I'll talk you just
30:09
play ball Yeah,
30:11
do we just shatter your world? Yeah, I
30:13
thought everybody was holding conversations and playing hoops
30:17
You thought you just like going to the court
30:19
and hanging with the guys. Yes. I don't think
30:21
you watched everybody I thought he was shooting the
30:23
shit at shooting. Yeah No,
30:26
I think this might have been an Arab a dream that you
30:28
had one time So that's why
30:30
air bud work cuz everybody wasn't talking. Yeah, everybody
30:32
was just teammates Okay, I'm just gonna leave out
30:34
to the experts you figure out scooby-doo on time
30:37
Yeah, we know a lot of you guys getting criticized didn't
30:39
know who that Sonic had to go back and reduce Yeah,
30:41
they read it the whole thing Yeah, a couple of these
30:43
animated movies had to go back and redo characters because people
30:45
are like what is this? That's true It was crazy
30:48
Speaking of movies though. I do want to hear
30:50
your review our very own Kelsey on Challengers
30:53
the news and day a movie that is
30:55
in theaters now You can
30:58
see the movie wherever you see movies
31:00
movie theaters Right and you
31:02
can catch Kelsey's reviews on
31:04
letterbox at pretend surfer because
31:07
she is a pretend surfer,
31:09
right? true All
31:12
right. I gave challengers four and
31:14
a half stars Wow. I
31:16
said If you
31:18
know me, you know I love sports and God
31:21
does this movie really bring out the best of
31:23
it This love triangle is
31:25
a game you hang on point by
31:27
point step by set match by match
31:30
This movie is a lot of painstaking story building
31:32
that takes sometimes a bit too long But
31:35
God is it satisfying when it comes to fruition? Zendaya
31:38
is so pretty and talented and excels in
31:40
this but God do I wish that Tashi
31:42
was developed a bit more Her character was
31:44
the hardest one for me to connect with
31:46
and at times was callous for the sake of
31:48
being callous rather than anything Deeper the
31:51
boys on the other hand are layered you
31:53
understand their motivations for control Josh O'Connor plays
31:55
Patrick with a palpable smugness that
31:57
really carries him through the whole film
31:59
with the perfect glimpses into things he
32:01
actually wants and hopes for. Mike
32:04
Face plays his perfect opposite in
32:06
art, overthinking everything with a clear
32:08
vision, but secretly wants and hopes
32:10
for control and power. Their
32:12
tennis play is very similar to the way they go
32:14
through and look at life. The
32:16
score is dissonant and visceral, at times it
32:18
feels so wrong and off, other times it's
32:21
building the perfect amount of pressure to make
32:23
you completely immersed in the emotion. That's
32:25
why when Trent Reznor and Atticus Rauss's names came
32:27
on my screen it made so much sense. Luca
32:31
Guadagnino made some shots and scenes look
32:33
so perfect and interesting and exciting while others
32:36
fall flat, end up feeling showy and over
32:38
the top, his direction shines in the tennis
32:40
scenes that make you feel like you're part
32:42
of the game, playing a back and forth
32:45
match of your own, internal thoughts. In the
32:47
end this is a story of true love
32:49
shared between three people and the sport
32:51
of tennis. Wow! That's
32:53
pretty good. That's good stuff, guys. A lot
32:55
of five dollar words in there. Yeah, yeah,
32:57
big, big ol' words! There's
33:00
one word you used that I had no idea what it meant.
33:03
Visceral? No. Can
33:05
you go back and reread the entire thing? I
33:09
think the word was dissonant. No, I don't think so.
33:11
There's another word in there I said, I don't know
33:13
this word. I feel like you didn't know many words
33:15
you just said. Smugness? Maybe. Palpable
33:18
smugness? That's a good duo. Do
33:21
you know what palpable smugness means, Dan? No, I don't
33:23
know. Smugness is like smug, you know? I guess you
33:26
can't use the word. You
33:28
think it's like standoffish kind of? Yeah,
33:30
I think so. Yeah, highbrow. Highbrow. I
33:33
don't know what palpable means or whatever that word
33:35
is. Palpable
34:00
And Tori from Canada and Eliva from
34:02
Mexico and Georgia from Sydney They know
34:04
that guy is breaking news. There's no
34:06
actual generational movie reviewer Do you think
34:09
of it like before that everyone was
34:11
like two thumbs up Ebert and ropert
34:13
or whatever the other names are? Yeah,
34:16
you know careful. Oh, there's sandy. Canyon.
34:18
You know people know where do we
34:20
go? I'm tomatoes. That's not
34:22
a person. That's a collection of people that takes
34:24
it You know the masses
34:26
opinion Santa Kenyans heads popping off his pillow
34:29
right now like holy crap I
34:31
all I'm saying is like I think our
34:33
generations Deserve a voice and a
34:35
set of eyes in a brain to see
34:38
movies on our behalf like a trusted source
34:40
We have one in her name is Kelsey
34:42
also known as a Letter
34:45
box Exactly. Yeah.
34:48
Thanks for sharing Kelsey. Of course
34:50
anytime really really impressive all
34:53
over my tiktok feed has been prom and
34:55
I feel like I Can't
34:57
talk about prom without being harassed
34:59
by Daniel You've just had this
35:01
weird obsession with prom ten years
35:04
and I just don't get it like
35:06
it May maybe it's like
35:08
deeply connected to my own prom trauma
35:11
Because like I went to prom with my friend who's
35:13
a year older than me didn't go to my own prom
35:15
didn't have friends I Connected
35:18
to that but also promise something
35:21
that so many people like they
35:23
share It's like a shared experience and
35:26
it happens once a year And we were on
35:28
the radio all over the country and I don't
35:30
know people at a prom dude Is
35:32
prom as important now as it used to
35:34
be I think so I
35:36
mean my prom tiktok thing is really
35:39
my feeds as prom of all over
35:41
it and like it's different proms It's
35:43
a school proms. It's like frat proms.
35:45
It's just prom season a Lot
35:47
of same-sex couples going to prom. Hell. Yeah
35:53
It's really cool. Yeah Jordan. Yeah,
35:55
was prom a big deal for you. It
35:57
was a decently big deal. Yeah, I'm an all
35:59
girl school though. That's true but
36:03
we also know there was an all-boys school nearby.
36:05
Oh yeah. I went to their prom and my
36:07
prom and this one baked me
36:09
cookies but said will you go to
36:11
prom with me. Oh that's a good
36:13
prom pose. That is really nice. Did you take anyone to
36:15
prom Dan? I didn't go to prom. I just everyone was
36:17
at prom and I just went straight to the after party
36:19
and was just hanging out there until everyone else got there.
36:21
Why because you thought you were too cool right? I'm
36:24
just I just I just didn't want to get
36:27
no I don't I don't know I just yeah let's not
36:29
back yet because yeah why didn't you go to prom? I
36:31
didn't want to like there's not a deeper meaning I know
36:34
you wish there was a deeper meaning I just didn't want
36:36
to go but there was a reason you didn't want to.
36:38
I just I don't know I just didn't want to go
36:40
like I just back then I just wasn't into it still
36:42
not into it. It's good now
36:44
that it's a man in your 30s you're not into
36:46
a prom. Somebody takes me to prom. I don't know
36:49
I just didn't want to do the whole asking somebody
36:51
to prom wearing a suit getting dressed dealing with the
36:53
limos and the photos and then getting to the after
36:55
party. I'm like I could just skip all that. Did
36:57
you not have anyone to ask? Line was out the
36:59
door on fort you know so I didn't know who
37:01
to pick. That was the class why I didn't go.
37:03
Yeah I don't know where to choose. Did you go?
37:05
I did go yeah. Oh that's nice.
37:07
I took two people to prom. Wait
37:09
don't recommend that. Right arm? Right arm and left
37:11
arm? Yeah so I took my girlfriend at the
37:13
time and then a friend of mine who was
37:15
like homeschooled for years because I felt bad that
37:18
she didn't have a prom. Wait so I'm still
37:20
a terrible idea. Wait I'm gonna be so your
37:22
girlfriend plus his other girl went at the same
37:24
time? Yeah. But what's
37:28
wrong with that?
37:31
I don't think it deserves that level of reaction. Yeah
37:34
imagine going to your girlfriend he's going
37:36
to her first prom. Like oh we're
37:38
gonna share with this girl who's homeschooled.
37:40
She's gonna show me all the pictures.
37:43
She's gonna dance with us. She's
37:46
gonna what the fuck? What
37:50
the hell? She's
37:54
like the funniest thing he's ever heard. Well. It
38:00
is kind of funny to think about it. No we took pictures.
38:02
We didn't have to take all the pictures together What'd
38:05
you say pictures with both like you come in and you
38:08
swap balance? Again,
38:10
I don't recommend it. I just your girlfriend loved
38:12
it. I tried to do it to be nice
38:15
and it was horrible Don't do it. Yeah. So
38:17
what was the worst thing about that? I don't
38:19
know not being able to like How'd
38:31
you guys dance
38:36
that's a good question were you in the middle? Yeah,
38:38
yeah, that was a slow dance at the three of
38:40
us We were basically a throttle.
38:42
Yeah You feel
38:44
the afterwards above them. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's after
38:46
prom. Yeah, for sure. Did she go to like
38:49
Three of you like go to the after prom together. Yeah,
38:52
everybody goes to the after prom together I don't know. It
38:54
goes straight to the after prom Boy
38:56
homeschool people can't go to parties, of course
38:58
they can Okay
39:25
See why it works Man
39:30
did you guys have fun at prom at least? Yeah, it
39:32
was a good time. What happened? Did you just get bad
39:34
news or something? No, I'm just still picturing you juggling to
39:37
to date that prom That
39:40
is wild Luke
39:43
Hemings is on the show today Ask
39:46
him to prom By
39:48
the way, do you go in was there something you wanted
39:50
to bring up prom? Is there something about my
39:53
feet like what's up with it? Like you going
39:55
like anybody going to prom? We
39:57
said we want to look coming back I
40:01
mean just all over my feet and I do enjoy
40:03
the fact that there's a lot of same-sex couples going
40:05
to prom It's really amazing and inspiring and yeah, even
40:07
when I was in high school. That was like far
40:10
in-view between Oh, yeah did
40:12
not exist Nor
40:14
did troubles that probably either but I was a
40:16
trailblazer. You were ahead of your time We're
40:19
ahead of time. Yeah I'll
40:21
take that credit. You got a prop. I
40:24
did go to prom. Yeah, you enjoy it.
40:26
Yeah, it was fine I had you
40:28
know, some things happen, but they were all good.
40:30
Oh, you what? Like
40:34
a little graphic, okay
40:40
Weird graphic like just
40:42
you know Wait,
40:45
are you okay? Wait, what I gotta be honest.
40:47
I think it back. I'm glad you brought But
40:51
not that kind of graphic You
40:54
let's just I was wearing a
40:56
white dress and I had some feminine issues Traumatic
41:07
I caught on really fast. So
41:09
like, you know good. Did you leave prom or do
41:11
you come you would happen? It
41:14
like like I said, I caught on pretty fast
41:16
So it wasn't like a tear much
41:18
of an emergency situation But it was like
41:20
really worrisome for about 30 minutes when I
41:22
was in the bathroom. Oh, yeah
41:25
But from that you rose I think we need a
41:27
prom redo. Exactly. I you know, I've
41:29
been pitching this idea for years So
41:32
the idea is to throw a prom for
41:34
anybody who's not been to prom or had
41:36
a crappy prom Mmm, and
41:38
you could be like, you know any age like that's
41:40
not weird and like That's you
41:42
just qualified by sharing your story of your crappy
41:45
prom experience Then you can just go to our
41:47
party and try it again. That doesn't
41:49
to me. That's just a party. It's like prom is like
41:52
Okay, a party's a party does parties
41:54
a gathering of people dancing. I want
41:56
a prom party. There's a theme. That
41:58
was fun Everybody dressed up
42:00
this way I peel your brain. I
42:02
brought you I brought my wife and
42:05
this homeschool girl No,
42:16
I have one boutonniere Okay
42:21
deep regrets about that I look like
42:23
a douchebag. Wait, did you wear like a top hat too?
42:25
No top hat, no top hat. I had the cane. Just
42:27
a cane without a hat? You
42:29
don't have to have the hat. Let me see a prom
42:32
photo right now. Let me see. Oh, yeah Let me I
42:34
just have them on my work computer. Let me pull it
42:36
up. I have a prom photo. Your
42:38
Facebook? I'll see if I can find it. I
42:41
need to see. I went to one school dance and
42:43
it's where the best photo of me ever Taken was
42:45
and I you know what I think that's why I
42:47
didn't go to a dance afterwards. You couldn't top your
42:49
outfit Yeah, have you ever seen that photo? Is it
42:51
you in the velvet jacket? Yeah, you look good. Yeah
42:55
If I can find one Brendan Urie,
42:58
but not like way worse Wow,
43:01
can somebody zoom in on this? Text
43:06
it to Kelsey or Sam Then
43:11
how we do it sorry, I don't know calling a
43:13
camera operator to come in If
43:19
I can find it Luke Hemings on the
43:21
way by the way, yeah, I'll be here in like four
43:24
minutes Yeah, literally gotta go grab him. Um, this
43:26
is a lot of fun though. Let's run to you
43:28
We have a lot to discuss. Obviously, you sold project.
43:30
Obviously five seconds this summer. Obviously a
43:32
lot of life I really like him
43:35
good guy. See I gotta find a prom picture without anybody
43:37
else in it cuz I didn't get the permission. Oh Do
43:40
you get their permission? Yeah Yeah,
43:45
I'm fine You
43:47
know out there face and I'll find it later and
43:49
every problem, but he got two days. So that's a
43:51
year Exactly.
43:53
I can't crop it. They're on either
43:55
side my god
44:00
What is that? Who's that a pimp? No, I
44:02
had to use a demeanor. Yeah, you
44:04
had to send everyone off. What?
44:08
Oh my gosh. Should we get Luke in here? I think
44:10
so. Okay. Yeah,
44:12
let's get Luke Hemings here. Check it out. We're
44:14
going to be in there with you. I really love and appreciate
44:16
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44:18
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44:20
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44:33
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44:37
Yeah, scattered applause. What
44:39
is the first time that you've been here
44:41
alone? It is. The couch. The couch looks
44:43
empty. It does. We should
44:45
have got a one-stater couch, really. You're right.
44:47
Yeah. What does it genuinely feel
44:49
like, though, to care... Like, wanting to do
44:52
a press day by yourself. And I know it's not your
44:54
first rodeo. This is your second... It's
44:56
at least my second rodeo. Well, your second
44:58
rodeo, you're doing it alone. Right? This
45:00
is the EP attached to an album that came a couple of
45:02
years ago. Does it feel
45:05
natural doing these things by
45:07
yourself? At
45:10
this point, it feels okay. First
45:12
of all, can I say, I'm a little sick,
45:14
so I'm sorry for the listeners. I'm pretty congested.
45:16
So just keep it
45:18
in mind. You sound great. Thanks. Thank
45:20
you. You sound great. I
45:23
mean, at first it was definitely like you
45:26
have less people to lean on, obviously. There's
45:28
no, like... There's less
45:31
banter. And you've got to really think
45:33
about what you want to get across, because someone can't
45:35
just jump in and be like, you know, oh... You
45:38
forgot to say this or something. But it
45:41
feels good now. I feel comfortable with talking about
45:43
it, and I'm really comfortable with the project as
45:45
a whole. So there's no, like... I don't
45:47
know. We'll find out. But
45:49
there's no, like, something you could say would be like,
45:51
oh, I don't have any answer to that, I suppose,
45:53
at this point. But at first it was definitely like,
45:56
you know, a little bit fish out
45:58
of water, like... so much
46:00
of my identity is being
46:04
the guy from 5SOS and being in the
46:06
band. So not having that, obviously, is
46:08
a, you know, you feel a little bit weird for
46:10
a second. At what point
46:12
did you know you needed to tell your own story though?
46:14
Like, did you know the entire time, even before the band
46:16
was formed, or was there a moment where it really
46:19
presented itself? No,
46:21
I don't think I ever, there was no inclination
46:24
of it beforehand.
46:27
It was in, the first
46:29
album was made in COVID. So it
46:31
was, we started the band when I was
46:33
14, 15, and then
46:35
pretty much went until COVID hit, like
46:38
just tour album,
46:41
promo, tour album, like that sort of
46:43
cycle for how many years that was,
46:45
like eight,
46:47
seven, how long, how many years that was, but
46:50
so when we got to COVID and
46:53
was like, you know, the world was
46:55
obviously, as everyone knows, it's a very shared
46:58
experience. The world was in shambles. And
47:00
there was a lot of catching up for me to
47:02
do, I think after all that, for a lot of
47:04
people really, but for
47:07
me, it was just trying to reflect on
47:09
all of that time. And it
47:11
started as a challenge to see if I could
47:14
write songs on my own. And
47:16
I wasn't sure if I
47:19
could, and if it would
47:22
be any good. So I started at
47:24
home on my own. And it
47:26
obviously snowballed into something like
47:28
a full album. And I was like, Oh, this is really cool. I
47:30
have a full sound going on
47:32
here. And that's
47:34
kind of where it kicked off. And I really fell in
47:36
love with the process of it and getting those things off
47:39
my chest from just my
47:41
perspective. And it was
47:45
like really fulfilling. And I loved
47:47
it. Is it fair to say like it starts
47:49
as a challenge to yourself? Oh, 100%. It was
47:51
definitely a challenge to myself. There was not really
47:53
like a, I
47:57
don't know, this wasn't really like an album. The
48:00
way it sounds reflects that, the first album,
48:02
both of them, but the first album reflects
48:05
that it wasn't like a, you know, I
48:07
need, I don't know, to play
48:10
more shows on my own or I need to like, I don't
48:13
know, be seen more or something.
48:15
The band has like gone
48:17
above and beyond anything that I would ever
48:20
expect anything. It's not really in my personality to do
48:22
that, but I did have things to say and
48:24
get off my chest and it was a challenge
48:26
to myself to, I don't know, see if
48:29
I could do it on my own. What
48:31
is it like? I mean, what
48:34
story do you start with telling? Like, what story is the
48:36
first one that needs to be told? Yeah, that's
48:38
a good question. The first story that needed
48:40
to be telling, I
48:45
think instinctively, when
48:47
I first started writing the first album, because we haven't even talked about
48:49
that, I know we mentioned it last time when I was here with
48:52
the band like two years ago or
48:54
something, but... Great body work. Thank you, thank you.
48:57
But it wasn't, I think
48:59
instinctively, I wasn't writing about these big,
49:02
deep, existential things until
49:04
a few songs in. So I was more experimenting
49:06
with sounds and seeing if I could write songs
49:08
on my own. So they started as love
49:11
songs and personal stories and stuff like that.
49:13
And then it snowballed into
49:15
this diving
49:17
into being
49:20
existential about time passing and trying to dissect
49:22
the last 10 years and my experience of
49:24
it and my, I don't
49:27
know, memories of it. They're also blurry
49:29
and so much happens. And it was
49:31
such an intense experience that I
49:33
don't think I'd unpacked emotionally.
49:38
So that was like the first thing
49:41
to tackle, I would say. How
49:45
is that connected to the EP that we have today? The
49:48
EP very much explores childlike
49:51
behavior, your childhood or lack thereof,
49:53
right? Yeah, I mean, it explores
49:56
a bunch of stuff, but... Well,
49:59
like I said on the... that first album it
50:01
was there was a lot of self-discovery and
50:03
I really like I said fell in love with I
50:07
don't know being able to tell those
50:09
stories and shape a sonic
50:11
around it that I was like
50:13
because I really wanted it to feel I don't
50:17
know even if you didn't hear any of the lyrics I
50:19
don't speak English you could feel what
50:22
the emotion was in the sounds you're
50:24
feeling obviously that's what music is you're trying to get
50:26
across that emotion but
50:29
it led it led us here because
50:31
I don't know it's just
50:33
was that one of those one of
50:35
those things why I just wanted to keep exploring it like
50:37
there was parts about the first time I really love even
50:40
looking back now I love some parts and some parts I'm
50:42
like okay that that sounds like young
50:44
to me now like it sounds like
50:46
I want to explore the things I do like about
50:48
it and then see if I can as
50:51
an artist you should be trying to grow
50:55
and get to what the point of
50:58
the project is like what is get to the heart of
51:00
this is what it sounds like this is what it feels
51:02
like and this is what its
51:04
purpose is so as you make
51:07
more music for embodies of work that's what
51:09
you're trying to get to so what from
51:11
the album did you like that you carry
51:13
with you and what did you kind of
51:15
keep in the past I think hmm I
51:19
really like the song called a beautiful dream on
51:21
the first album I think is really cool and
51:24
there's certain songs that the first album to me
51:26
feels very experimental
51:30
like there's a lot of different for me and there's
51:32
one producer on it or you know
51:34
one main producer on it so it
51:36
does feel like a body of
51:38
work that is cohesive
51:43
but it does
51:45
feel like I'm trying a bunch of different stuff like
51:47
it feels like I'm trying you know let's try something like
51:50
Neil Young let's try an M83 let's try
51:52
you know arcade flight whatever it is like
51:54
as a bunch of different stuff and I feel like on
51:57
boy the new EP it feels more Like,
52:01
we've arrived at a sound as opposed to,
52:03
I don't know. Not.
52:07
It sort of feels a bit like ADD or something
52:09
on the first album. Which by the way it should.
52:11
Oh totally, yeah. I don't like regret
52:14
any of the songs on there. I think they're, it makes
52:16
sense. Like there's a bunch of different influences and I
52:18
think to get to what,
52:20
you're just sort of like emulating your favorite artists
52:22
and what they do best. So you're
52:25
trying to, I don't know. I
52:27
mean I'll probably look back on this EP and five
52:29
years and go, oh I wasn't quite there yet. It's
52:32
just one of those things that you don't know until you know. With
52:36
this entire EP, right? Like
52:39
it sounds like all these songs are under three minutes. They
52:42
are shorter. Am I wrong on that? Cause like I,
52:44
I realized that they were short and then I'd look
52:46
at the time really quickly and I'm pretty sure that
52:48
all seven could be close to under three
52:50
minutes. I didn't know that. I think
52:52
Promises is longer than the last one. Okay. They
52:55
are shorter, not by design.
52:58
Not by design. I just sort of,
53:01
maybe it's just my brain's pretty like, I don't
53:04
know, uh, gets
53:06
bored quickly so maybe that's part of
53:08
it. But it wasn't a, an
53:10
intentional like, let's make this short. You
53:13
know? I mean it flows.
53:15
Thanks. Yeah. I was like,
53:17
I looked at the times, I think only two songs are under three minutes. Oh God, am
53:19
I that tall? No way. Yeah. But they're
53:21
not too long. The first album was longer, to
53:23
be fair. The first album was like a little
53:25
bit, you know, you're pushing a little bit
53:27
with times. I just felt like the album, I mean
53:29
it moved. I only got a chance to listen to
53:32
it once and usually I'll listen to something way more
53:34
than once before somebody comes in. But I
53:36
listened to it, mainly cause you got it late, whatever,
53:38
no fault to anybody. I wish I had it earlier cause I
53:41
would have listened to it once. But
53:43
no, I listened to it once and it
53:45
flew by but I feel like it
53:48
was all intentional. And the lyrics really, I
53:50
mean let's dissect a little bit of it, right? Did you get a chance
53:52
to listen to it? Yep, listen to it once, just like you. Yeah.
53:55
You guys listen to it together? No. Separate.
53:59
Very simple. transient, nothing was planted. Well,
54:05
some of it, a lot of it
54:07
was written like in pieces and I think that's
54:09
what makes
54:12
it feel and sound obviously
54:15
the way it is because it was written in like,
54:17
you know, one bit was written here and then I'd revisit
54:19
it like six months later
54:21
or however long later. Can you explain
54:23
to me, is that a technique or
54:26
is that just happenstance? I
54:28
think now it will probably be technique
54:31
but I think it just was
54:33
kind of happenstance. It was just,
54:38
for me, for my stuff I
54:40
make on my own, there's a specific feeling I
54:42
get from it that is
54:45
not as
54:48
tangible and like, I'm just going to
54:50
write a song that feels like this. Like it's not a
54:52
frustrating way. I can't just like go, okay, I'll write this.
54:55
So it takes a minute to get
54:57
something I love that I've written just
54:59
myself. So it's,
55:03
and also the way I was travelling a lot
55:05
like, you know, the first song, I'm still your
55:08
boy was the first bit until the chorus, the
55:10
whole verse and pre was written on a plane,
55:12
like just in one go. And
55:16
then it takes like a
55:18
long time to recreate
55:20
that feeling to write the rest of the
55:22
song because you're so in love with this
55:24
like burst of creativity, you know, and it's
55:26
not songwriting isn't something that
55:28
is just like, sometimes
55:31
it is, but a lot of the time it's,
55:34
you know, elusive. So you're trying
55:36
to catch up with it
55:38
a little bit or trying to make
55:41
these moments happen, but it's
55:43
not always the case. Is
55:45
there something you're talking to when you're
55:47
writing those lyrics on that airplane? Yeah,
55:51
I think it's just, well, sometimes
55:54
with, with,
55:57
with writing songs, it's not always, you
55:59
don't. always know what you're writing
56:01
about until later. Well, particularly for me
56:03
anyway, obviously everyone's different, but I
56:07
find, especially
56:09
for solo stuff, that
56:12
is, it's like this rush
56:15
of subconsciousness of
56:17
your subconscious, and then you have
56:20
to almost figure out what you were talking about after
56:23
the fact. And you'll like
56:25
find one lines that just sort of fall out, and you're like,
56:27
oh, okay, now I've got to figure out what this means. So
56:29
it sort of forces you to look at it and figure out
56:31
what the song is about. So how do
56:33
you know you're entering a state in which
56:36
you can tap into your subconscious to even write something like
56:38
that? I think it just takes a lot of, I
56:40
mean, you don't always know, but when
56:43
you're, I
56:45
had made a choice at that point that I'm
56:48
gonna try and explore the solo thing more. So
56:50
I'm in the head space of writing songs and
56:52
like reflective and being
56:54
like overly emotional and trying
56:57
to, I don't know, you
57:00
open up the door and stuff flows in and stuff
57:02
flows out and some of it's, shit
57:04
and some of it's really comes out like
57:06
songs you hear that I think are really cool. Do
57:09
you feel like you lost a lot of your teenage years
57:12
to this job? To
57:14
this job? It makes it sound like I'm
57:16
in. So you're like pushing papers.
57:18
Yeah, when I was pushing papers. No,
57:21
I think, well, I
57:24
think, I
57:28
think the positives far outweigh the negatives. So
57:31
I always am very hesitant to talk
57:34
about the downsides
57:36
of it and all of that, but it is,
57:39
you know, it wasn't, looking back, it wasn't
57:41
normal, but it
57:44
sort of is what it is, you know? And I think
57:48
there were, there's things that, you
57:51
know, are a
57:53
struggle that have come from it or
57:56
during it, but I wouldn't change
57:58
anything, you know? So it is, It's a
58:00
different question to answer without, because
58:02
there's one side of things where it's like, this
58:05
is amazing and I can't
58:07
believe this even happens. And there's obviously things that,
58:09
it's like anything, like there's downsides to it and
58:11
things that, you know, I've had to deal with
58:14
to this day of
58:16
like, insecurities and anxieties and all of these
58:18
things that, your
58:22
brain at that age is not able to comprehend.
58:24
So it's like things you have to dissect as
58:26
you get older. But that's like anyone,
58:28
I guess, but it's just kind
58:30
of different circumstances. Are you dissecting all
58:32
that through this music, right? Probably, yeah.
58:35
Yeah, I think there's a mix of,
58:39
I think a lot of these songs
58:41
are coming to terms with getting to
58:43
your late twenties and things
58:47
getting real and life becoming, you're
58:51
realizing that life is moving on whether
58:53
you're, I don't know, present
58:56
or not. But
58:58
I can only talk from my experience. So
59:00
my experience is that, I'm
59:05
dissecting, to go forward, you
59:07
have to look back and for me to look back, it's
59:09
all those years of, this blurry,
59:13
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hindsight is vital as we exist,
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but like, what does it mean to
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be a boy? Like, how do you define that? A
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boy? Yeah, like in this context, right? Like, what
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is? What
1:00:02
does it mean to be a boy? In
1:00:05
this context of the song, I
1:00:07
think... Or songs, because it's the name of
1:00:09
the EP? Yeah, yeah. I
1:00:11
think a lot... In this song,
1:00:13
you're sort of... Well,
1:00:16
I always struggle to talk about, like, exact
1:00:20
song meanings, because I feel like, especially
1:00:22
for this, like, it's such a culmination
1:00:25
of experiences and, like, little bits
1:00:27
and pieces of life stuck together.
1:00:30
And I like people to find their own meanings
1:00:32
in songs, but I think
1:00:35
there's probably a... You
1:00:37
know, it's in a... For me, this is one
1:00:40
part talking to my
1:00:43
younger self and, like, trying
1:00:45
to speak to that inner
1:00:48
child, inner boy. And I think there's also, like, a...
1:00:51
You know, speaking to a loved one and being, like, sending
1:00:54
apologies, like, I'm still your boy. There's
1:00:56
that thing of, you know, boys
1:00:58
take a longer time to
1:01:00
mature or sometimes of women. So I think it's a... You
1:01:03
know, I'm talking to my wife there as
1:01:05
well, you know? Is being in love and realizing you
1:01:07
have a real partner changed the way you create
1:01:10
art? Yes, definitely.
1:01:13
I mean, particularly... I don't know what I
1:01:15
can only speak for my own experience, but
1:01:17
Sierra's, like, my sounding
1:01:19
board. She's in everything. And
1:01:22
I don't think I would even have a solo thing
1:01:24
without her, to be honest. She
1:01:27
push you, give you the confidence? Yeah, confidence.
1:01:29
And not... She would, like... She'd be more
1:01:32
than happy for me to not do it as well, to,
1:01:34
like, just be at home and, you know, not be busy
1:01:36
and do stuff. But without her, I don't think I'd have
1:01:38
the confidence to, I don't
1:01:41
know, tap into all of this or be like,
1:01:43
okay, yeah, this is... I've got something to
1:01:46
say here and this is really cool or
1:01:48
have the confidence or, you know, all of that stuff.
1:01:50
How did you realize that any of this was good?
1:01:53
Because you mentioned not knowing. I
1:01:57
think with... I
1:02:00
think I'm obviously, I'm a
1:02:02
pretty harsh critic on my own
1:02:04
work, so if it's
1:02:07
something that I've gotten over the line,
1:02:09
then there's something to it
1:02:11
that is listenable at least. I
1:02:16
think, I don't know, it's just
1:02:18
one of those, it's
1:02:20
got to make me feel something. It's got
1:02:22
to be, I'm emulating people
1:02:25
that move me musically and
1:02:27
lyrically, so if it's moving
1:02:29
me, obviously they're my stories,
1:02:32
but if it's moving me in
1:02:34
a similar way, then it's
1:02:36
something that I think is worth sharing. Okay.
1:02:41
Which I get, like if it moves you, but
1:02:43
it is also your story, right? Yeah, that's what
1:02:45
I mean. It's hard to,
1:02:48
I think it's great, so if I think it's great,
1:02:50
I also think there's something about
1:02:52
this project that no one's, I
1:02:56
think I've said this before, but no one's expecting
1:02:58
like, I can't wait for Luke
1:03:00
to make, it's kind of like a bonus thing, so for
1:03:03
me to think it's good enough to put out, then
1:03:05
I don't know. Do
1:03:07
you really create this music with no pressures or stress?
1:03:10
Like there's no expectations? Oh no, there's definitely
1:03:12
pressures and stress. The first one was less,
1:03:14
and then when it becomes a thing where
1:03:16
it's like, oh, we're making an album, then
1:03:18
it's like, oh, fucking hell, this is a
1:03:21
real, it's definitely stressful, this
1:03:23
one was more stressful than the first one, but
1:03:27
also less stressful because I sort of had like,
1:03:29
I'd broken the seal of doing it at all,
1:03:32
but knowing what it was like the first
1:03:34
time to put it out and share those feelings on my
1:03:36
own, it was more stressful, and
1:03:39
having something to compare it
1:03:41
to was slightly, like there was pressure
1:03:43
behind it, it wasn't just like, you know, whatever, like
1:03:46
I knew what I was doing, but it
1:03:49
was, I don't know, it was
1:03:52
just trying to stress
1:03:54
less about it. Are you making this music for you
1:03:56
or for people who listen to it? Definitely
1:03:59
for me. Do you see the theme when it comes to five seconds
1:04:01
of summer music? Um,
1:04:06
I think a bit of both. I think, I
1:04:09
think you're always making music for yourself or
1:04:12
the collective of the group with the band,
1:04:14
I think without,
1:04:17
if you're not enjoying it, I just think if
1:04:20
we were hating it in the studio as a band
1:04:22
and not enjoying it and not making something that we
1:04:24
thought was really great or me
1:04:26
on my own in general, like I think that I just don't
1:04:28
see a point to it. Um,
1:04:32
but yeah, I think
1:04:34
you, I think you gotta, you gotta love it.
1:04:36
Otherwise, what are we doing? You
1:04:39
know? Yeah. So
1:04:42
can you like take us into the studio? If you're
1:04:44
making a song like teeth for five saucers shakes for
1:04:46
yourself. Like where's the difference in where
1:04:48
your brain goes? Um,
1:04:51
well teeth was a while ago now. Just
1:04:53
like five years ago now, isn't it? It's crazy.
1:04:56
We're getting old, aren't we? Yeah. You didn't have seven, eight
1:04:58
years. Do you? I think it's way longer than that. I
1:05:00
know. It's like, yeah, we're trying to
1:05:03
keep the, uh, trying to keep the youth alive. Trying
1:05:06
to be like, yeah, we know we're, we're still,
1:05:09
we're 19. Yeah. How old are you? Are you 30?
1:05:11
I'm 27. Oh yeah. Yeah.
1:05:13
Getting off there. And you're about to be 28. Yeah,
1:05:15
about three 28. You got the birthday
1:05:17
there? July 16th. There you go. Um,
1:05:22
well, making bands stuff, you
1:05:24
have other people to bounce it off. Like for
1:05:26
that song in particular, there was a lot of people in the
1:05:29
room, like four
1:05:31
at least, and you got another band member Ashton was there.
1:05:34
Um, and then when you're recording of Kalman
1:05:36
Michael, so it's, uh, there's
1:05:39
more, uh, I
1:05:41
dunno, you sort of just, it's hard to tell cause it
1:05:43
feels like a different person now. It's like such a, it's
1:05:46
a minute ago, but there's
1:05:48
more people to bounce it
1:05:51
off of. And I think at that point we were,
1:05:53
we knew what we were going for after
1:05:55
Young Blood and all of that. We had sort of had
1:05:57
like a thing to focus on and be like, okay, we're
1:05:59
trying. to
1:06:03
take what we liked about Young Blood and that album and
1:06:06
expand on it. Whereas for
1:06:09
my stuff, I mean the
1:06:11
process isn't different from my
1:06:15
end, but for Shakes it's like that same thing
1:06:17
where it's like you're
1:06:19
taking pieces of songs and trying
1:06:21
to pull it together. Like Shakes was written
1:06:23
in New York and it was just me
1:06:25
and Sammy who did the first album and
1:06:27
it's trying, it's like
1:06:29
was written, there's a big piece written there and then
1:06:32
it like took me a while to finish it and
1:06:34
I feel like with band stuff it's usually more like
1:06:36
you know you go somewhere on a day and you
1:06:38
finish it that day. It's
1:06:40
less, maybe
1:06:43
less picked apart. Interesting. But
1:06:46
you also have more people touching it,
1:06:48
right? Yeah, but you're sort
1:06:50
of just, it's very on the day and
1:06:53
instinctual, you know, and sometimes that comes that
1:06:55
good. There's also, there's no right or wrong
1:06:57
way to do it. It's just, you know,
1:07:01
there's also songs for the band that take a long time
1:07:03
to finish too. It's just like, it's
1:07:05
dependent on what song you're writing, but for,
1:07:08
I can only speak for like you know
1:07:10
the solo stuff that I've made has been
1:07:12
very, has taken me a long time for
1:07:14
every song pretty much and it's like these short
1:07:17
bursts and I'll have to, you
1:07:19
know, go back and try and finish
1:07:21
them. Are you writing things
1:07:23
just with no instrument, just like on
1:07:26
your notes or? It depends.
1:07:28
A lot of times with an instrument, like, but for some
1:07:30
songs it's just, it like
1:07:33
will just pop into my head
1:07:35
or I'll be listening to something else and I'll
1:07:37
hear a different melody over that song or whatever.
1:07:40
So it just sort of depends. How do you keep
1:07:43
track of your inspiration? Usually
1:07:45
voice memos or like writing on like a, because
1:07:47
a lot of it was, you know, on the move,
1:07:49
a lot of it was like in those random, you
1:07:51
know, like the hotel pads
1:07:55
where you write down with like the hotel pen.
1:07:58
But usually it's like. Just I
1:08:01
mean if you saw my voice members and notes and things
1:08:03
I've written down it just looks like a madman How many
1:08:06
songs did you write before you picked the seven? There's
1:08:09
a lot of ideas But there
1:08:12
wasn't as many songs as
1:08:14
you would think because I know from the
1:08:16
first album How long
1:08:18
it takes me to really love? something
1:08:22
that I have Like
1:08:25
to get it because it For
1:08:28
me when I'm writing stuff on my own I find
1:08:30
it really annoying if it's not fully finished to listen
1:08:32
to it I find it really irritating because it's not
1:08:34
exactly how I want it So I
1:08:37
know how long it takes me to get from the song
1:08:39
idea to that part
1:08:41
where I'm like, oh this sounds exactly how
1:08:44
I Envisioned it in my head. So
1:08:46
there's less songs than you would think so there's like a
1:08:48
lot of half ideas like there's probably You
1:08:51
know, it's probably 20 half ideas and then
1:08:53
you narrow that down to like, you know
1:08:56
12 and then it gets narrowed down but especially
1:08:58
working just with one person
1:09:00
like with Sammy it's easier to be
1:09:02
like this is really great, let's
1:09:04
finish this and There's
1:09:07
less like, you know Let's
1:09:10
write 50 songs. That's not really the case with
1:09:12
this because I know I know
1:09:15
when something for me is Right
1:09:17
or like, you know, even having we talked
1:09:19
about before but even having like Stereo Boy.
1:09:22
I I
1:09:24
had that first verse for such a long time and
1:09:26
I know I was like, I know this is really
1:09:28
great and this is exactly what I want to say
1:09:30
and The feeling
1:09:32
I want to get across but I just couldn't finish it. So
1:09:35
it's less Like let's
1:09:37
just write three more ideas. It's more writing
1:09:41
Seven different choruses for that song
1:09:44
if that makes sense. Seven different course or whatever it is
1:09:46
Yeah, I tried like a bunch it probably was seven actually
1:09:48
but just at home like it just will be You
1:09:51
wouldn't fully do them But I would like have
1:09:54
that and try and finish it at home like
1:09:56
over and over or wherever it was like in
1:09:58
a hotel Or on the road or something Do
1:10:01
you like send all these have ideas to your
1:10:03
producer? Sometimes. Is it just
1:10:06
a direct collaboration between the two of you? Yeah,
1:10:08
I'll usually I'll play it to Sierra sometimes
1:10:11
and I'll send it to Sammy and be like what
1:10:13
do you think of this and he'll be like
1:10:16
no or like this is really cool. So
1:10:18
it can be pretty brutal sometimes but
1:10:21
I don't know I just and
1:10:24
it took I don't know where the I really
1:10:26
for that song in particular I really wanted something
1:10:29
simple. I was getting really into the I love
1:10:32
the thought of there's a few songs
1:10:34
like this on the EP where I
1:10:38
was trying to say get across more
1:10:40
emotion with less words. So
1:10:42
I was like how do I just
1:10:45
say how do I say more
1:10:47
but just like it be one line and that's where a
1:10:49
lot of the songs came from like promises like that the
1:10:51
last song it's basically one line in the
1:10:53
chorus and I'm sure boys
1:10:55
obviously just one line over and over. Who
1:10:58
is the female harmonizing on Close Enough to Feel You? That
1:11:00
is Sierra. That's pretty cool. Yeah.
1:11:03
What is it like to be in the studio doing that
1:11:05
together? That's great. Yeah. Be
1:11:08
sick. That's good fun. She has such a good
1:11:10
voice. I'm like I'd have her on every song if I could because she's
1:11:12
a she's one of those singers that is
1:11:16
like just I don't
1:11:18
know annoyingly good like we'll be sick or like I
1:11:21
don't know tired and just like always be on pitch
1:11:23
and I feel like I have to work really hard
1:11:25
to be a really good singer and
1:11:28
she's so she's
1:11:30
so embedded in all the lyrics even if
1:11:33
a song isn't directly about her there's moments
1:11:35
that are you know if that song
1:11:37
in particular is like you
1:11:39
share any sort of grief and loss
1:11:42
and feelings with your partner because you know they're
1:11:44
your partner in life so she's
1:11:46
so in the lyrics anyway so it makes sense to have
1:11:49
her on it. Can you explain to me the story Close
1:11:51
Enough to Feel You? I know you don't want to talk
1:11:53
about it but is it a love song
1:11:55
or? It's it's
1:11:58
sort of like that feeling of
1:12:04
When something happens in your
1:12:06
life where you know some
1:12:08
sort of loss or whatever it is some
1:12:10
sort of life-altering thing and you Little
1:12:16
things can bring that up really easily and trigger it
1:12:18
and you can sort of go from like being fine
1:12:20
to totally falling off a cliff
1:12:22
and like being you know, I'm falling apart again
1:12:25
being totally back to that
1:12:27
feeling and it's hanging on to If
1:12:31
Hanging on to this pain is the only thing that brings
1:12:33
me close to you Then I'd rather
1:12:35
have that then not have it at all. So I
1:12:37
think it's that's kind of like the gist of it
1:12:45
Be thinking who's Benny cuz when I think of any
1:12:47
my friend has a dog named Benny Dog
1:12:50
it's about your friend's dog actually Benny
1:12:54
I have a brother named Ben. So You
1:13:00
know, there's it's in
1:13:02
relation to him but it's more about being
1:13:05
when something happens in your family or
1:13:09
loved ones and you know, I
1:13:11
live I live in America my family is all
1:13:13
in Australia and when something big happens good or
1:13:15
bad There's like this
1:13:18
guilt of like I should be there,
1:13:20
you know, I should really be there for this and
1:13:24
Yeah, that's kind of talking about that and just I've lived here
1:13:26
for such a long time and been away from them for like
1:13:30
You know, I see them intermittently but
1:13:33
It's not the same. Yeah, like when big light
1:13:35
you guys I don't know where we
1:13:37
all are from She's like some things happen when
1:13:39
you're far away from someone just like
1:13:41
totally it's hard to My
1:13:44
boyfriend's from Australia and I watch it like just
1:13:46
I know that area. Yeah, he's from Adelaide and
1:13:48
it's hard late. All right It's
1:13:52
a nice place. I love Australia. It's fucking
1:13:54
amazing. Oh, yeah, but it is so incredibly
1:13:56
far It's really far away. The time difference
1:13:59
is wild And he's challenging.
1:14:01
He's, and we're just witnessing
1:14:03
firsthand. It's really, yeah, it takes a toll on him.
1:14:05
And it takes a toll on your relationships to a
1:14:07
certain degree. Yeah, because it's like, you feel a little
1:14:10
bit helpless, you know, and you gotta like, because
1:14:12
I'm over here, you know, I've got my whole, I've got
1:14:15
a life over here now, and friends,
1:14:17
and a wife, and like,
1:14:20
it's a family here. And then when
1:14:23
stuff, I'm over here like making music and
1:14:25
like trying to continue this dream
1:14:27
that I started as a kid that they
1:14:29
support and I'm away, and like, you know,
1:14:31
when things, you know, big things happen,
1:14:33
it's, you feel guilty,
1:14:36
you know? Even the bad stuff, you
1:14:38
feel guilty, everything. Oh, 100%, the bad
1:14:40
stuff is even worse. Yeah, you feel like I should
1:14:42
be, like, should I fly home? Like, and it says
1:14:44
that in the song, like, should I be going home
1:14:46
now? Like, but you're in the middle of,
1:14:48
you know, doing Zach's hang interview,
1:14:50
or like, you know, it's more, you know, it's just like, there's
1:14:52
things that you're doing all the time. And
1:14:55
you're like, oh, geez, I should, I should go home. But also
1:14:57
to get home takes 20 hours. It takes
1:14:59
a long time to get there. Literally, between 16 and 20
1:15:01
hours on a good day. I mean, if you're going to
1:15:03
Adelaide, it's another flight out, isn't it? Where do you go?
1:15:05
Do you go to Sydney to Adelaide? I did Melbourne to
1:15:07
Adelaide. Oh, okay. I
1:15:10
went into Melbourne, then went out of Sydney. I'll
1:15:13
go again in a couple of weeks. You going again? No,
1:15:15
you know, a couple months. Okay. Just scared
1:15:17
everybody on my team. Is he here? Yeah. Nice.
1:15:22
Special, love is special. You do also crazy things and
1:15:24
you fall in love. You do? Yeah.
1:15:28
Did you ever ever fully announce you were married and just
1:15:30
say it on a red carpet and people were like, did
1:15:32
you have a wife? Cool. Well, yeah,
1:15:34
that one was, that interview,
1:15:37
I didn't know I was going to do any interviews that day. So
1:15:40
I just sort of showed up and
1:15:42
it was like, oh,
1:15:44
I was going to do some photos. And then
1:15:46
all of a sudden I was in an interview and I
1:15:48
was yelling into the mic and
1:15:51
just saying whatever
1:15:53
I was saying. Maybe
1:15:55
I had a couple of tequilas, but yeah,
1:15:58
we didn't, haven't announced it. I think. As
1:16:01
I've got an old writer's sake, you know, try
1:16:03
and keep some stuff to ourselves. But it's
1:16:06
a, you know, trying
1:16:09
to keep it, keep it true. We don't always
1:16:11
be picked apart, especially by wedding stuff. I feel like it
1:16:13
gets picked apart a lot by other people and I just
1:16:15
didn't want it to. That's healthy. Thanks,
1:16:17
man. Yeah. So, I mean,
1:16:19
love is really best kept between you and the person
1:16:21
you love, right? Yeah. And it just made sense for
1:16:24
us. You know, we just did, we just eloped and
1:16:26
it was, you know,
1:16:28
we had big plans for like the wedding and like we were
1:16:31
just, we're just so busy and we're just, we
1:16:33
don't want to wait any longer to be married.
1:16:35
It just was like becoming this thing where it
1:16:37
was like, all right, you know, we're trying to find
1:16:39
the perfect time, but they're just like, you know, a
1:16:41
lot of these songs as well, like talk about just
1:16:44
time moving on with or without you. And we
1:16:46
just didn't want to, I don't know, we just,
1:16:48
it suits us just to elope
1:16:50
and it was really beautiful. And
1:16:53
that's what matters. Yeah. And we loved it.
1:16:55
It was perfect for us. That's how
1:16:57
many people were there? Not many. There's
1:17:02
a service where someone
1:17:04
comes to your house and does all the paperwork and they just
1:17:06
like, you just say vows and... So that was
1:17:08
it? Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, it was
1:17:10
dope. Took some photos for
1:17:12
some K1 visas or some shit. We
1:17:16
got some photos. We haven't put them out yet. You know, just
1:17:18
want to like, I don't know, maybe at some point we will,
1:17:20
but I don't know. It's one of those things you just want
1:17:22
to... It's you. Oh shit.
1:17:24
Keep, keep something to ourselves. It's nice.
1:17:28
Slade should be. Yeah. Also
1:17:30
super mature. Yeah. Also healthy and I
1:17:32
don't know, it's really nice. Thank you.
1:17:34
Are you going to be American citizen now? American
1:17:37
citizen? Yeah. Dual
1:17:39
citizen, eh? Can you
1:17:41
do that? Yeah. Fuck yeah you can if you get
1:17:43
married to an American citizen. I don't know. I don't
1:17:45
know if I will. We'll see. Maybe get a, maybe
1:17:48
try and get a green card. That's pretty cool. That'd
1:17:50
be nice. I'm still in the, every
1:17:52
time I come back to LAX, I'm still in that
1:17:54
visa line, dude. I'm still in
1:17:57
there with, you know, all the, all the
1:17:59
tourists. I'm like, I live here, pay taxes
1:18:01
here, I pay house tax, like can I
1:18:03
go on the quick line? No, your Ester
1:18:06
renews every 90 days, dude. I
1:18:08
know, I'm with the Ester. So you have to
1:18:10
leave every 90 days? No, I don't have to
1:18:12
leave every 90 days. I got a visa, but it's every couple years. So
1:18:15
I have to go back to Australia or Canada or something to...
1:18:18
You have an O1? An O1, you know your visas.
1:18:21
You know your visas. If you want to get into 90
1:18:23
days' fiance, just sit the fuck down. I'll
1:18:25
consult you through the whole thing. Yeah, K1s, O1s,
1:18:27
B10s. What's a K1? I
1:18:30
think a K1 is for... Somebody
1:18:32
can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure it
1:18:35
is for an engagement. Like it's for a
1:18:37
fiance or something. Oh. I don't
1:18:39
know why you're looking at me. I don't know. I'm not married. Do
1:18:43
you feel like being able to do your own creative
1:18:45
endeavors? More than just for you, but for the entire
1:18:47
band, right? Everybody's free to kind of do what they
1:18:49
want. Ashton just joined another band. Does
1:18:52
doing these projects make you guys better band
1:18:54
members? Stronger members of this team that you
1:18:56
formed when you were fucking 14? Yes.
1:18:58
I definitely think so. I
1:19:01
think it's obviously a scary thing if you're
1:19:03
a fan or in the band for people to
1:19:05
do other things, but it's just about the way... The
1:19:09
intent behind them and the way you present them
1:19:11
to fans or more
1:19:13
importantly each other. I
1:19:17
think for a
1:19:20
band like 5sauce, it is
1:19:23
where there's four of us, and
1:19:25
we all could individually
1:19:27
write, record, sing our own
1:19:31
solo thing. We are
1:19:33
such full artists, and that's what
1:19:35
makes us great and important as a band that we
1:19:37
can do that. So I
1:19:39
think it's important for us to... Whether it's making solo
1:19:42
things or having time off or whatever it is, you
1:19:45
need to live your life a little
1:19:47
bit so you can come back to the band. It
1:19:50
makes everyone,
1:19:53
but for me it makes me
1:19:55
such a better band member. It makes me appreciate
1:19:57
the band more. It makes me want
1:19:59
to be in the band. band and it's a
1:20:01
way for the band to last
1:20:03
forever for me. Otherwise,
1:20:07
the other option is not doing
1:20:09
it and then having things
1:20:12
that you try and then when you're making stuff with
1:20:14
the band, you're trying to pull it your way a
1:20:16
little bit too far or whoever it is,
1:20:18
someone else is trying to pull it their way, we should
1:20:20
do this and the band should be a
1:20:24
collection of thoughts that's
1:20:26
been, that's what a band is,
1:20:28
a collection of thoughts for fine to be five
1:20:31
seconds a summer. Totally. And
1:20:33
by the way, and I gotta say, you guys can go and make your own
1:20:35
music and none of that music would sound alike because you
1:20:38
guys are very different from one another and you're
1:20:41
all different shades of different fucking colors that like
1:20:43
when you put together, you do get a
1:20:45
band that is so unique and can't be duplicated.
1:20:48
Well yeah, that's, I'm glad you think so, that's
1:20:50
how I feel as well. Is that accurate? Yeah,
1:20:52
I think, I just think it, I
1:20:55
don't know, we've been, we've been a
1:20:57
band for a long time, you know, and it's, I
1:21:00
think at the moment, you know,
1:21:02
I might not always do solo things, but at the moment I feel
1:21:04
like I have something to say outside of
1:21:06
the band. So I feel really, I
1:21:10
feel really grateful and blessed that I can
1:21:12
have that creative
1:21:14
outlet, you know. Are you ready to
1:21:16
tour by yourself? I'm
1:21:18
ready to. I've gotten over the anxiety
1:21:20
hump of it, but it's
1:21:23
definitely, it's nerve
1:21:25
wracking for sure, but
1:21:28
I'm excited. I think the
1:21:30
last few years I've been trying to do more things that are a bit
1:21:32
out of my comfort zone and, you
1:21:35
know, playing shows with the band are
1:21:38
amazing, but I'm comfortable in that role.
1:21:40
You know, I love, I love getting up
1:21:43
there and fucking pointing out being,
1:21:45
being the guy from Five Sust, I love it so
1:21:47
much and I'm
1:21:49
always going to do that, but I
1:21:52
love the idea of doing something that
1:21:54
is absolutely terrifying, which is doing
1:21:57
a solo tour. Like it
1:21:59
sounds really scary. But there's something,
1:22:01
I know
1:22:03
there's something great on the other
1:22:05
side of that emotionally.
1:22:07
And also I played, when
1:22:10
I first started making solo things, music,
1:22:12
I didn't think I would ever
1:22:14
play any shows. There wasn't like a thought,
1:22:16
so then one, because
1:22:19
of COVID and like two, because I just didn't think I
1:22:22
would have the guts to, I suppose,
1:22:24
but after playing a couple
1:22:27
shows two
1:22:29
years ago at the Fonda, it
1:22:33
was really, it was
1:22:35
amazing to see that the songs that I'd
1:22:37
made on my own meant so much to people
1:22:40
because it was such an insular
1:22:42
time for me. And like, you
1:22:44
know, I put the songs out and people are
1:22:46
like, yeah, this is really cool, but I, you know, I
1:22:49
didn't know that people, people
1:22:51
make fun of me for saying this, but I didn't know if
1:22:54
people liked it until like you go and
1:22:56
play a show and people are like, you know, seeing
1:22:59
it and being like, this is, you know, giving you
1:23:01
a visceral, like,
1:23:04
this is sick. You can feel it,
1:23:06
see it, smell it. Exactly. And it
1:23:09
was like emotional to have
1:23:11
that. And
1:23:15
I wanna, I put so much
1:23:17
into these songs, I wanna play them live and take
1:23:20
it the whole way and see
1:23:22
how it is. How are you putting together
1:23:25
the musicians that are behind you? Sorry. Because
1:23:27
all I keep thinking to myself is like, outside of like
1:23:30
writing songs together, you guys have been playing as a band
1:23:32
together for well over 10
1:23:34
years. So that's like a collection, like
1:23:36
the musicianship and the comfort
1:23:38
and the safety that exists there. Yeah. Like
1:23:41
you can't, there's no, you have to dedicate another 10
1:23:43
years with a group of other people to take it
1:23:45
out. Yeah, I mean, it's never gonna
1:23:47
be- The same. It's never gonna be the same.
1:23:50
I think, but that's kind of
1:23:52
the whole point, I suppose, to take out that
1:23:54
safety net and be like, let's just see what
1:23:56
happens with other people. I
1:23:58
have help pulling. musicians
1:24:00
together but it's just people I think are rad
1:24:03
and can play the songs and dig it,
1:24:05
you know. That's
1:24:07
a good criteria. Yeah, you know. How
1:24:10
are you even playing the drums for? I
1:24:12
mean, playing the drums is... That's
1:24:14
putting it very nicely. I
1:24:16
think I am
1:24:19
not a drummer. I think I
1:24:21
had a lot of fun on
1:24:24
this album writing
1:24:27
a lot of the songs with playing
1:24:29
drums, like, because I'm not a
1:24:31
drummer. So it's almost
1:24:33
like... I
1:24:35
don't know, there's something a bit more
1:24:38
childlike about it and like I kind of... I don't
1:24:40
really... I'm not very good at it. So being
1:24:42
able to play something in the writing phase
1:24:45
that a drummer would never play or like, you know, it's
1:24:47
played a bit... Shit is kind
1:24:49
of fun. So I
1:24:52
don't know, I can play a few beats and it's just kind of like... I
1:24:55
don't know, it's just something... I use the
1:24:57
writing tool more than anything. I
1:25:00
don't think anybody's ever said they write on the drums. People really
1:25:02
tell us it's the guitar of the piano. Well,
1:25:05
it's nice to... I
1:25:07
mean, I'm just... It's
1:25:10
nice to be able to have something else to sit at. It's
1:25:12
nice to be in the studio and be like, not
1:25:14
at the piano, not at the guitar. It's like you're
1:25:16
trying to... If you're trying
1:25:19
to make a whole landscape, like the
1:25:21
drums and promises, they were replayed, but
1:25:24
I played that beat originally and put
1:25:27
the big reverb on it and I was like, oh, this sounds
1:25:29
really sick. But it was like kind of... I
1:25:32
don't know, just made... If you play that
1:25:34
first and then go to something
1:25:36
else, it's kind of like
1:25:39
it's nice to do it the other way around, if that makes
1:25:41
sense, as opposed to like playing whatever it
1:25:43
is on a guitar or a piano or synth and
1:25:46
writing it and then playing drums. It was nice to go the
1:25:48
other way around. So it just was like a writing tool. It's
1:25:50
cool. Yeah. You build the beat. Yes,
1:25:53
build the beat. Do you
1:25:55
have a garden? I have a garden. What
1:25:57
do you plant? At the moment.
1:26:00
There's some blood oranges. Oh
1:26:02
some lemons. Cool. Yeah, yo, your lemons
1:26:05
are in season right now. Yeah, they're
1:26:07
popping off Oh jealous, you
1:26:09
don't have lemons. I do I have a lemon tree, but I plucked my
1:26:11
lemons Yeah, well, we've got
1:26:13
a lot. There's like it's kind of
1:26:15
you got a big one. It's well. No, it's just overflowing
1:26:17
I haven't picked that many. Okay, so you
1:26:19
have lemons you have blood oranges. What else you got? There's
1:26:23
some grapefruits. Oh, that's cool. Yeah,
1:26:25
there's some kumquats. Oh fuck Yeah,
1:26:31
yeah sick I have limes I got
1:26:33
orange. Oh, I'm not lines actually there's
1:26:35
no limes interesting I have tomatoes. I
1:26:38
don't have those either. I need to get into
1:26:40
that. I'm working on a rose bush I got
1:26:42
some roses. Oh, yeah. Yeah, do
1:26:44
you plant those yourself or did they like come? That's
1:26:47
all Sierra. That's amazing Yeah, that's her that's her deal.
1:26:49
I mean honestly all the videos. I'm just sort of
1:26:52
like I just you know reap the benefits of having
1:26:56
citrus Exactly
1:27:01
yeah, what is the garden life is I
1:27:03
mean there's more to that than just actually
1:27:05
having Fruits and citrus
1:27:07
at your disposal. Yes There's
1:27:09
more than that then there's more to life than fruits
1:27:11
and citrus That
1:27:15
song was written in It
1:27:19
was three in the morning couldn't sleep in
1:27:21
hotel and It's
1:27:24
sort of it's like a love song
1:27:26
to Your
1:27:28
happiest and safest
1:27:31
place like the place you love the most
1:27:33
and it's sort
1:27:35
of You know when you think
1:27:37
back on your life. There's like these big
1:27:41
beautiful amazing memories
1:27:43
if you're lucky that are really big
1:27:45
events and Sometimes
1:27:48
the memories that are the most visceral and that
1:27:51
you hold Dearest are
1:27:53
the mundane ones like Sitting
1:27:55
in the garden or watching TV or like you
1:27:58
know just talking with your partner at home It's
1:28:00
like it's not a, it doesn't have
1:28:02
to be, you know,
1:28:04
when you're younger you think like, you know, this big
1:28:06
thing that you do, like, I don't know, playing a
1:28:08
big show or doing whatever it is that the band
1:28:10
has done or like in your life, big life events.
1:28:13
You think those are going to be the things
1:28:16
that you, that flash before your
1:28:18
eyes before, you know, what do they say before you die?
1:28:20
Like you've flashed before your eyes or your whole life. You
1:28:22
think those are going to be the big things, but sometimes
1:28:24
the, yeah, the most beautiful ones are
1:28:26
so mundane. It's little stuff. Yeah. So
1:28:29
it's kind of like that. That's the story
1:28:31
of it. You gotta listen to Boy. It's all
1:28:33
waiting for you. All Amazon Music, all League's Music is
1:28:35
there too. What are you thinking?
1:28:37
Did you purposely go from like a really long album title
1:28:39
to the shortest one possible? I
1:28:42
mean, maybe subconsciously, yeah. It did,
1:28:45
people were, I did a lot of interviews in the first
1:28:47
album where it was like, it
1:28:49
was a long title. People were like, it
1:28:51
was a long. But I like that juxtaposition
1:28:53
of like longs, the shortest, yeah. But,
1:28:56
yeah. What was the first one? Face? What is it?
1:28:59
When facing the things we turn away from. Two,
1:29:01
boy. Yeah,
1:29:03
just trying to simplify. It's trying to refine it a little
1:29:06
bit, you know? You can listen to Bulls, by the way,
1:29:08
on Amazon Music. It's all up there. You know, we were
1:29:10
talking about getting older and I just realized the Five Sanks,
1:29:12
the summer album is going to be 10 years old this
1:29:14
year. Wow. Damn. It's crazy.
1:29:16
Again, you're talking about seven or eight years.
1:29:18
Like, it's way more than that. Yeah. It's
1:29:21
like a fog. Yeah, it's
1:29:23
crazy. It's a long time. That
1:29:25
is a long time. What do you think
1:29:28
about that album listening back to it today? I
1:29:31
think it's great. I do. I
1:29:33
think I
1:29:36
have loved it the more that
1:29:38
I've gotten older. I think I loved it at the time. Well, I
1:29:40
definitely loved it at the time. And then
1:29:42
there was a couple of years that I was like, you know. Too
1:29:45
cool for that? Yeah, too cool for that, growing out of
1:29:47
it. But
1:29:49
I think it's great. I think it's... When
1:29:52
I speak to people about it and
1:29:54
they're like, you know, that was the album that
1:29:57
came out when I was, you know, whatever it
1:29:59
was. in high school or doing this or
1:30:01
whatever it was. I think that's
1:30:03
really cool because I have albums like that for me.
1:30:06
So it's
1:30:08
pretty crazy. Yeah, it feels like a different person though.
1:30:10
It's like, it feels like a lifetime
1:30:12
ago. Well, you all were
1:30:14
really different people. Yeah. Your
1:30:19
fans have gone through the same exact, correct and
1:30:22
changed too. Yeah, it is crazy. I mean, it's
1:30:24
even like, it's funny because without bands that we
1:30:27
were sort of the same age is for a
1:30:29
lot of time the people that were fans of the
1:30:31
band. So as we grew up and
1:30:33
went through different musical iterations and
1:30:36
eras and stuff like that, and
1:30:39
our tastes were evolving, fans
1:30:41
were as well. So it's an interesting, unique
1:30:44
thing that, not that many people
1:30:47
have. Damn,
1:30:49
10 years. It is crazy that Don't Stop and
1:30:51
Amnesia are on the same album. Like
1:30:53
I was listening to them this morning. I was
1:30:55
like, those two songs could not be any more
1:30:57
different. We just started playing Don't Stop again. You did.
1:31:00
Yeah, and the last tour was actually, it was
1:31:03
healing. It
1:31:05
was good fun. Will
1:31:08
you do any Five Seconds of Summer songs on your
1:31:10
own? No, I don't think so. I
1:31:12
don't think so. We've
1:31:15
paid them enough on tour more, we'll tour
1:31:17
again. And you now have enough songs of
1:31:19
your own. Yeah, it doesn't really, I mean,
1:31:21
never say never. I haven't
1:31:23
made the set list yet, but I don't know. I don't
1:31:25
think so. It's not really about
1:31:27
that. It's more about self-expression
1:31:30
and if people are waiting
1:31:32
for Five-Sauce songs, then maybe this
1:31:35
isn't the show. Yeah, but there will also be a tour for
1:31:37
them. The band is very much still here. We're always getting a
1:31:39
tour. Yeah. But is that like a
1:31:41
conscious decision you all have to come to? Which is like, we're
1:31:43
going to go do our own things, but this thing will never
1:31:45
go away? It
1:31:48
is, yeah, we've had
1:31:50
conversations about it. We talk about
1:31:52
it and go, I'll be like, I really want
1:31:55
to do this. I
1:31:57
love the band. We're going to make an album. I'll be
1:31:59
back. At this point,
1:32:01
and then we'll make an album and there's like a
1:32:03
like there's already a band schedule
1:32:06
that's been You
1:32:08
know, rude So
1:32:11
there's stuff already in the works. Yeah, but the
1:32:13
conversation has happened. We're like you agreed that this
1:32:15
band won't ever go away Yeah,
1:32:18
it's great. Yeah, that's that's the plan. I think and
1:32:21
all these things are you know, it's by design
1:32:23
we've I mean we said this when we were 16
1:32:25
and no one believed us. We're like we want to
1:32:27
be banned for I mean, we're
1:32:29
so ridiculous things We want to be like the Rolling
1:32:31
Stones. We're gonna be here for a long
1:32:33
time and people at the time are like, you know Whatever,
1:32:35
you know, you guys are gonna fizzle out and I just
1:32:38
we just won't allow it, you know Maybe there'd be a
1:32:40
time when we take more Time
1:32:42
in between albums like we are now like this.
1:32:45
I'm doing something, you know, other people are doing
1:32:47
their things But maybe there'll be a time where there's
1:32:49
a few more years between each album But I
1:32:52
can't see it not being a part of my life And
1:32:56
we've had those discussions, you know Yeah,
1:32:59
the best thing about you guys is like you guys love
1:33:01
five seconds There's a lot of
1:33:03
bands that don't talk about whenever I see you guys talking
1:33:05
you guys love the band Yeah, it's awesome to see it
1:33:07
is nice. Isn't it? I don't know how people do it
1:33:09
when I don't like their band because it's yeah,
1:33:12
it'd be Definitely
1:33:14
fun. Just like a beautifully authentic thing
1:33:16
that was born out of like just
1:33:18
a desire to Make
1:33:20
some random covers on the fucking internet.
1:33:23
Yeah, it is it is strange,
1:33:25
but I think it's awesome yeah, thanks,
1:33:27
man, I think uh, I think
1:33:30
it's a We
1:33:32
know how unlikely it is that we
1:33:35
have all arrived at this point and how
1:33:37
much hard work has been put in and
1:33:39
how Just like how
1:33:41
rare it is, especially I mean for anyone but
1:33:43
like an Australian band to like
1:33:45
have that I Don't
1:33:47
know that love around the world and
1:33:49
that effect on people's lives
1:33:52
is just not Doesn't
1:33:55
come around very often so I think it's
1:33:58
we all just could acknowledge that and
1:34:00
be like, let's try and do everything
1:34:02
we can to protect this. And if
1:34:05
we still feel like we have something to say
1:34:07
musically and, you know, play
1:34:10
great shows, then let's do
1:34:12
it. I don't think it's a, I
1:34:15
don't know. We just, we can respect that. But
1:34:18
genuinely a part of something that was built at a
1:34:20
time that like, we'll never see
1:34:22
again. Like, you know, our show was born
1:34:24
17 years ago. You guys are
1:34:26
born, I mean, like, 17
1:34:28
years. Yeah, long time. Congrats. Thanks. But
1:34:31
it was at a time though, where like,
1:34:33
it's hard to explain, like the internet was,
1:34:36
not there was people using the internet because
1:34:39
it was incredibly democratized, but not nearly as,
1:34:42
as like, yes,
1:34:44
as easily accessible as it is today, but less
1:34:47
people felt empowered to use it
1:34:49
as a tool. Do
1:34:51
you get what I'm saying? It definitely was
1:34:53
a different time now. A bit back then,
1:34:56
but it is now. I mean, crazy. Yeah,
1:34:58
it is. I mean, where we're here in
1:35:00
Western Sydney, it was definitely, it
1:35:02
took like, remember we used to have to go to Ashton's
1:35:04
house to, uh, to record the
1:35:06
videos and his internet would take like three
1:35:09
days to upload the video.
1:35:11
It was just, it's ridiculous
1:35:13
looking back. Like we'll never
1:35:15
ever be at that
1:35:17
point in the internet's existence
1:35:19
ever again. Yeah. And never
1:35:22
get the creation of
1:35:24
these personalities and musicians
1:35:26
and whatever that like
1:35:28
kind of crossed between the internet and
1:35:30
what it could be to be mainstream.
1:35:32
Because back then, mainstream media took internet
1:35:34
stars and like they wanted to embrace the shit out
1:35:37
of them because they found that like this was the
1:35:39
start of something new. It's just wild. The whole thing
1:35:41
is crazy. Yeah. And there was like a, we
1:35:44
definitely, we
1:35:46
had a big emphasis on taking
1:35:49
whatever this like slight
1:35:52
buzz on YouTube was and turning it into
1:35:55
a live thing. We
1:35:57
were like, as soon as we could.
1:36:00
We were like, let's take whatever this is, how
1:36:02
do we get this YouTube thing, like we
1:36:04
want to be a band, we want to be like Blink, Green Day,
1:36:07
like how do we get that immediately to be, how
1:36:10
do we play live? And that was like, that
1:36:12
was the first big challenge, you know? Which
1:36:14
by the way, like, is the opposite of what most
1:36:16
people who get discovered on the internet want to do
1:36:18
today? Yeah, well, yeah,
1:36:20
I don't... It's true. It's,
1:36:23
why don't, it's crazy, yeah. That
1:36:26
was our first thing. Like, that was what, you
1:36:28
know, I grew up playing in pubs and stuff,
1:36:30
like I wanted to, I was playing covers in pubs on
1:36:32
my own, so was Ashton, it was funny, we never crossed
1:36:34
paths. But that
1:36:36
was like our first thing, like how do we, how do
1:36:39
we play live? That was the
1:36:41
peak thing. How do we get 50 people,
1:36:44
100 people into a room listening
1:36:46
to our original songs? Yeah.
1:36:50
But for so many reasons, that's the ultimate test of a
1:36:52
band, right? Yeah. That's what, that's
1:36:54
what I thought, that's what we thought was
1:36:56
like, the only way to do
1:36:59
it was. But, crazy. Well,
1:37:01
how cool was it to be on stage
1:37:03
at Royal Albert Hall with a full choir and
1:37:06
full strings? Like that, that show was awesome.
1:37:08
Thanks man. That show was so cool. It
1:37:10
was super rad, yeah. It was, it was a stressful day. We'd
1:37:13
never played, it was, because we're, you
1:37:16
realize how different the spectrum of
1:37:18
musicianship is when you're
1:37:20
playing with an orchestra. We'll
1:37:24
be like, can you make it be like, you
1:37:26
know, and they'll be like, do you mean like,
1:37:28
you know, this, whatever the word is, blah, blah,
1:37:30
blah, and E major and like this
1:37:32
diminished, you know, whatever it is. But they'll be like, they'll have
1:37:34
like an actual term and be like, yeah, do that. It
1:37:38
was great. I loved it. It
1:37:41
was a challenge to
1:37:43
pull together, you know. But we
1:37:45
did it. It was really cool. We just had done really
1:37:48
a lot of different things. Every
1:37:51
release, you know, the fifth album, we wanted to do
1:37:54
something different and it was, we
1:37:56
pulled it off. But also something that afforded to
1:37:58
everybody, you know. Pretty fucking cool. Thanks.
1:38:02
Sick. You should relive it
1:38:04
all on Amazon. You just listen to live
1:38:06
stuff. The entire justography is waiting for you.
1:38:08
There's a link below. Tor kicks off two
1:38:11
days after my birthday in Paris. Wow. You
1:38:13
gonna be there? I wish. I just
1:38:15
was in Paris. Were you? Yeah, it's
1:38:18
nice. It's whatever. It's
1:38:20
nice. It's old. Don't
1:38:23
Americans love Paris? No, no. Maybe
1:38:26
Paris doesn't love Americans. I do that.
1:38:30
It's really nice though to me. They were? Yeah.
1:38:32
I always found it to be nice. They don't like when you
1:38:34
try to speak the language as much because you always butcher it.
1:38:37
Not you, but as in like we
1:38:39
as non-Pareasian speakers.
1:38:41
The universally, I can't do
1:38:43
that. That's bad, but I do
1:38:45
try to immerse myself in culture when I travel
1:38:47
places and I will try to figure out the
1:38:49
basic language. And then sometimes I totally
1:38:51
fucking up. The other day I
1:38:53
thought I was confident in my very limited Japanese
1:38:55
ability. And we had a J-pop group come in
1:38:58
here and I greeted them by saying, thank you,
1:39:00
welcome. Well, I greeted them by saying, thank you
1:39:02
very much. I
1:39:04
was like, Namagase-o. No,
1:39:07
that's not fucking, that's wrong. They
1:39:09
laughed at me. I've only got like, hello and
1:39:11
how you doing in
1:39:14
so many different languages that it's just like, I
1:39:17
don't even, I get mixed up and that's the
1:39:19
worst. You've been everywhere though. I've
1:39:21
been to a couple places, yeah. But
1:39:24
it definitely, I still don't know
1:39:26
like a full language. I was not there long enough to like
1:39:29
get like a, you get a taste of
1:39:31
it and then you move on. Yeah, you're there for a day. Why
1:39:34
do you pick Paris to start this thing? I
1:39:38
think it was probably just the best routing.
1:39:41
I got it, I got it. Please sense. Yeah,
1:39:45
that's it. I wish there was a big reason. I do
1:39:47
love Paris and I think hopefully
1:39:50
they're, you know, a kind
1:39:53
audience for our first show. Will your wife be with
1:39:55
you on the road? She
1:39:58
should be, yeah. Well, she will be. Yeah,
1:40:00
that's the plan. That's really cool to have a partner
1:40:02
that you can share something like this with. It is.
1:40:04
Yeah. Special. What
1:40:07
are you thinking? I just remembered that we forgot
1:40:09
to ask about your phones that you walked into.
1:40:11
And like... He elates it. Do you have a
1:40:13
flip phone? Yeah, well... I
1:40:15
have... You know... The
1:40:18
all-encompassing iPhone. Yeah, computer
1:40:20
in my pocket. But I also have been... I
1:40:22
have this because it's release week, so I gotta
1:40:24
be on my phone. Got it. But what I've
1:40:26
been doing... Is this old thing...
1:40:29
The flip phone? Is it like a Nokia? It's
1:40:31
a... I don't know what this
1:40:33
is. Sonim? Sonim? Okay, of course. That's
1:40:36
a... You know. Full-on flip phone. Well,
1:40:38
I want... I wanted something that I could like
1:40:40
go... To dinner. Or
1:40:43
like... Leave the house. And if
1:40:45
my mom wants to call me or... Sierra
1:40:48
or like... You know. Someone... Anyone
1:40:50
that... If there's an emergency, they can call
1:40:52
me. But I don't have to like be... You
1:40:55
know, doing this. On my phone all the
1:40:57
time. Healthy. You have like a
1:40:59
phone for emergencies. Exactly. The bat phone. That's
1:41:01
cool. But you have two different numbers though.
1:41:04
Yes. And the important people get the flip phone number.
1:41:06
Yeah. Yeah, if you play your cards right, you
1:41:08
get the flip phone number. Was
1:41:11
there a moment where you're like, I need two phones and one of
1:41:13
them needs to be a flip? Well, I
1:41:15
just... Have honestly always missed... This...
1:41:19
This thing. Like I grew up in the flip
1:41:21
phone... Slide phone era. And...
1:41:23
It's so satisfying. But... I
1:41:26
think... I don't know.
1:41:28
There's just something about... There's so
1:41:30
much like... Emphasis like... It's
1:41:32
so crazy. That all...
1:41:35
Apart from like, you know, in person and
1:41:37
shows and... Like
1:41:39
physical stuff. There's... All my
1:41:42
work is done like on this box.
1:41:45
Like internet stuff. Emails,
1:41:47
texts. Like it's all in
1:41:49
my phone. Terrifying. And it's just like...
1:41:52
So crazy. I mean, everyone's like that now. I
1:41:54
just... Sometimes it's nice to not... Have
1:41:56
that. And
1:41:59
just wanted to... You know, I'm always talking
1:42:01
about getting off my phone more and I was like, you know,
1:42:03
I'm just gonna get a flip phone I'm just gonna see
1:42:05
what it's like and I
1:42:08
haven't got to use it that much yet because
1:42:10
I've been Doing so much
1:42:12
work stuff and if I leave my phone for a while, there's like
1:42:15
a disaster of like We
1:42:17
need to do this right now. We need this But
1:42:20
uh, I'm hoping to use it in
1:42:23
the future more. I'm looking forward to this
1:42:25
for you. Thank you It's exciting,
1:42:27
you know get lost in the the
1:42:29
wilderness Be out there you ever done that left the
1:42:31
house that your phone and like gone somewhere. It's weird.
1:42:33
It's so weird It's like all you can think about
1:42:36
it. I know you don't have a phone It is
1:42:38
strange you realize how much you pull it out of
1:42:41
like in like an el of like an awkward situation
1:42:43
Yeah, so they were like waiting for the interview to
1:42:45
start you ain't play your phone and it's like, you
1:42:47
know We chat because we're you know, we know we're
1:42:49
good vibes, but we know each
1:42:52
other but it is weird that you like reliant so
1:42:54
much Yeah, it is a crutch. It's
1:42:56
certainly a crutch But uh, you
1:42:58
know just sounded like a boomer over here We
1:43:02
all sounds old You
1:43:04
good. I have two more questions. I just thought
1:43:06
of them one. Okay, she do the makeup How
1:43:08
does that play into this boy era? Looks
1:43:13
good. Thanks. It does did it myself Well
1:43:18
the makeup things been going on for a while I just
1:43:21
love Trying to make
1:43:23
every possible aspect of my life creative in some
1:43:26
way And it's just a bit of fun. I'm
1:43:28
not the best at it, but
1:43:30
it makes me feel good. It kind of like allows
1:43:33
me to Especially for stage like
1:43:35
get into a character or like builder
1:43:38
You know the cover of the EP like is me
1:43:40
with some sort of similar makeup to this but
1:43:43
a bit more intense Yeah,
1:43:46
it just makes me feel good and I like I Don't
1:43:48
know. It's a bit of fun. It's a bit like kind
1:43:51
of messy and I don't know kind of like my outfits Just
1:43:53
like a little bit thrown together and I
1:43:55
just but also still put together at the same time.
1:43:57
It's we thanks Just trying to get trying to Get
1:44:01
the thrown together, put together thing
1:44:03
going. But yeah, it just
1:44:06
makes you feel good really. He gives Rockstar.
1:44:09
Thanks. I'm here for it. Next
1:44:11
question. My last question, I hope it was a good question to end
1:44:13
it on, but like how's Callum? How's
1:44:15
Callum? Yeah. Where is he? I
1:44:17
just saw him the other day. We had dinner. He's
1:44:20
good. He's good? He's good. You
1:44:22
know like Ashton's doing the music thing, likes being
1:44:24
a dad and then Callum, it's like where's Callum?
1:44:26
Yeah, I think, I don't know, maybe he'll be
1:44:29
sitting there at some point. I think he's
1:44:32
doing good. Such a, I think
1:44:34
he's, you know, I don't want to give away too much of what
1:44:37
he's working on or what he's doing, but he's, I
1:44:39
don't know what he's doing apart
1:44:42
from just hanging out at the moment. He doesn't give too
1:44:44
much away that guy. But I missed
1:44:46
him. It was good to see him the other
1:44:48
day. Yeah. Is
1:44:50
that how you guys just hang out now? It's just dinners
1:44:52
and... Yeah, it does sound pretty
1:44:54
old school, doesn't it? It's not that cool.
1:44:57
We just got dinner, yeah. Went to Craig's.
1:45:01
Yeah, pretty much. We'll like do, you know,
1:45:05
I send a lot of memes to Callum or I send
1:45:07
like a lot of funny random things to him. But
1:45:11
yeah, that's usually it. Dinners, sometimes
1:45:14
phone calls, sometimes Zooms, mostly like,
1:45:16
you know, texts now and then,
1:45:18
but we did like
1:45:20
two back-to-back world tours, so it was like too
1:45:22
much. It's a lot of them. It
1:45:24
wasn't that, even though it was too much, it's so funny.
1:45:28
We're so good at touring as a band now that
1:45:30
it's like, obviously
1:45:32
you take space, never has our own life, but it's not
1:45:34
because we're like sick of each other. It's just because you
1:45:37
need to do something different. Like you need to like have
1:45:39
your own little, you know, we all have
1:45:41
our own little worlds now. And it's
1:45:44
really rad to like, it's nice to catch up.
1:45:46
You know, we lived together
1:45:49
all the time for so many years that
1:45:51
it's nice to like, you know, see each
1:45:53
other on, you
1:45:55
know, with bigger spaces in between and like
1:45:57
catch up, you know, what's been going on? What
1:46:00
a wild thing to say, like you guys are so good at
1:46:02
touring now. Like there must have been a moment in the throes
1:46:04
of this thing where you never thought you guys could get to
1:46:06
a point where you could do this in a healthy way. I
1:46:10
mean, yeah, I suppose so. It
1:46:13
is, you just get better at it, I suppose. And
1:46:16
I think you
1:46:19
have a bit more respect for yourself and like your
1:46:22
mental health a bit more. As
1:46:24
we've gotten older, you
1:46:26
understand what you need to
1:46:29
mentally survive it. Otherwise
1:46:32
you have such a, if you get off tour and you
1:46:34
haven't been taken care of yourself physically,
1:46:36
mentally, then it's such a long time
1:46:38
to get back to like, you
1:46:40
know, ground zero of like feeling
1:46:43
good again. So it just, you know, takes a
1:46:46
while to get there. Well, Cozy
1:46:48
Luchantour this time around by himself, May
1:46:50
4th, it starts in Paris, calling
1:46:53
to all the people in France, go.
1:46:56
They see a show, there's a link below. You
1:46:58
good? Yeah, I'm going to go through the show
1:47:00
when it's here. Come to LA shows. Yeah, I want to come see
1:47:02
it. June something. June 6th? That makes
1:47:04
sense to me. Well, whatever that is. I could have
1:47:06
said anything. I'm going to put a link below. You
1:47:08
give him a second? That's a little bit too far.
1:47:11
All this music is waiting for you on Amazon Music.
1:47:13
Stand the code, click the link. I appreciate you, sir.
1:47:15
Oh, thanks for having me. Literally anytime. You're fucking amazing.
1:47:17
Hell yeah. Luke Hemings, everybody. Scanning the polls.
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