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Gosh, there's a lot to get into. It's the

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Zach Sang Show. Hello

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beautiful human, I'm Zach that's Stan. Welcome to the studio

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for the first time ever. Trixie Mattel. Oh my God.

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Well, and the crowd goes mild. Can't

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believe you guys went all the way to

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West Elm, bought a piece of furniture, returned

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it, and then pulled out this little number.

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So how much of Brian exists right now? Or

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is this fully Trixie? I mean, I don't know.

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I feel like it's really cringe

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when people are like, this is my alter ego

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on stage. Because I'm always like, girl, it's

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you with some extra hair. Like you can relax.

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But I think like, you know, I'm

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sure you guys feel this way when you're yourself

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on camera. You kind of play different

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parts of yourself. You

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turn up the mixing board a little bit. I

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think I'm like funnier and nicer and quicker and

0:50

bigger. And the real me is like, just

0:52

like at home quietly playing PlayStation.

0:55

You know, like I'm a lot

0:57

more dull. And a

0:59

lot nicer out of drag. But

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like I've watched podcasts of you just being

1:04

Brian and like there's the energy and the

1:06

temperatures. There's a lot of similarities, like obviously.

1:08

Oh yeah. I mean, we do the Bald

1:10

and the Beautiful with Katya and I. So

1:12

good. We normally aren't in drag. And it's

1:15

weirdly like our now, like one of our

1:17

best paying gigs because people listen to

1:19

it so much. You know, we

1:22

make so much money and like love doing it and we

1:24

don't have to dress up. And then when we do dress

1:27

up, it is almost like a

1:29

completely different temperature in the room. It's like

1:31

it's soup, but it's just Spacho. You know,

1:33

it's like cold soup or something. It's just

1:35

different. And I just always feel like when

1:37

I go in drag, I'm like, I'm gonna have a great time.

1:40

Is that like the bar is set there

1:42

no matter what? Yeah, because I never know

1:44

going into like, especially like a podcast environment.

1:46

You know, I've seen fire and rain in

1:48

the podcast environments. You know, sometimes you're just

1:50

on someone's shitty futon, you know, and

1:53

then sometimes you're in a nice futon. Yeah,

1:58

you know, really nice. Yeah,

2:02

there's a lot of snacks in the dressing

2:05

room on I am beginning gluten free so

2:07

I just. Use. Them

2:09

as a child would use building blocks, economy, the

2:11

tower and left the room for the sorry this

2:13

okay I was still simulated okay.it but the improv

2:15

bathroom in their leaders are you be worse Exactly

2:18

worse. Owner said all gender. You know how much

2:20

I feel like he has put that signed up

2:22

for me? Know who did because I think ever

2:24

all straight men are afraid like that. What I've

2:26

been on sets were I know we're supposed to

2:28

be progressive. We're supposed to be like when someone

2:30

as you're prone on uses like oh thank you

2:32

but I like to play with them. You.

2:35

Know so when I can tell someone to afraid

2:37

like I did a commercial seat once was big.

2:39

The director came up with like hi my name's

2:41

Lois a Scots and my friends are see him

2:43

and then. Later

2:45

I was like okay, so that's him telling me he

2:47

wants to be considerate which means is some vulnerability Their.

2:50

I can play with that you don't selects. Later I

2:52

I looked at him and told them he must gendered

2:54

me and he looked at me like his whole career

2:56

was over. As a i'm just kidding me when I

2:58

think they are but I had to Just like. Sir.

3:01

Crying ah to drawn to offer few

3:04

hours to still like really. Drives.

3:06

Home is in the woods. Your

3:08

goal? Some. The very beginning of this

3:10

to find actual same in the way that

3:12

you have because when I see the you

3:14

one of the most well known draglines offers.

3:17

Repos: Entire fucking universe.

3:19

Yeah, put in Wisconsin. There's

3:22

no way that like this was eve leak,

3:24

this was eating. See this many places we

3:27

got. Imagine I'm pretty old for drag queens

3:29

now. I'm thirty four Most I kinda like

3:31

twenty one, blackout, drunk and covered a baby

3:33

oil right like they're just in the back

3:35

of a police car. you know, barely other

3:37

moms house. But I'm like an adult and

3:39

drag now. And when I started doing drag

3:42

fifteen years ago, six years ago you know

3:44

when a peanut farmer was my white house

3:46

we'd like there was little thermostats, greens. There

3:48

was even when I started doing drag drag

3:50

race hadn't even started and even. At that

3:52

time, Rupa. I mean, I don't

3:55

think people realize Ripples massively decorated

3:57

Emmy winning a superstar rates. But

3:59

yes, Imagine putting sixteen years ago were

4:01

Paul's was on sort of a break. And.

4:04

So up or before drivers from upon a lot

4:06

of ways was like. I'm. You.

4:09

Know career wasn't what it was Now

4:12

now she's like a super super super

4:14

star. And so when I started doing

4:16

drag even Rupe Halls with like your

4:18

that are beyond say that are Madonna.

4:20

It's or Madonna Really, Madonna created the

4:22

pop music experience basically group or created

4:24

the drugs. or it's basically and I

4:26

when I was eighteen you know, doing

4:28

drag at the college. There.

4:30

Was no drag queens doing even work

4:33

Rupaul was doing now? So. Like

4:35

you're asking. Would I ever think this would happen if

4:37

there wasn't even a rubric for it? I guess for

4:39

me to closest thing would have been like a viral

4:41

or like pee wee. Yet the I

4:43

get than the you create a costumed character

4:45

and then run around doing you any universe

4:47

around it. Yeah I would say that's the

4:49

closest thing. To.

4:51

What I thought could be possible. But I had

4:54

this toxic trait which is I always believe

4:56

in myself and isolate. Now you're not supposed to

4:58

be like that. but I always want good things

5:00

to happen and I wanna do whatever it takes

5:02

to make them happens. So I always felt

5:04

like when I made up Trixie I thought it

5:07

was the coolest, funniest, prettiest, most marketable thing in

5:09

the world. And I like always believed that you

5:11

knew from the answer is very beginning. I

5:13

mean was. But I did. He get one point.

5:16

Where. He toyed with an incomplete for a

5:18

second. Oh yeah when I first started I

5:20

was like on either going to do this

5:22

I was always do in pain can bond

5:24

hearing was like i'm either going to do

5:26

like this kind of gimmick where I'm always

5:28

wearing like something that looks like does hurts

5:30

or something and was can be cupcake. could

5:32

also think food name's is funny it's like

5:34

strippers cookie candy seven days you know a

5:36

thing but I don't play it run out

5:39

of boonies as like this is Lays Potato,

5:41

Two Sisters Electricity and Begun A's and but

5:43

I wish size at the time thought like

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whoa. I. Love toys in this

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name is Matt Majored in the toy

5:49

manufacturer and you know I love like

5:51

my little pony in Towers Patch Kids

5:53

and Barbie and in I was it.

5:56

a child of the nineties so everything

5:58

was like happy meal toy. And.

6:01

So I just ran with that and I

6:03

always felt like it was a great idea.

6:05

Lead into from your first name is to

6:07

from trauma trauma? Yes Yes Yes yes. If

6:09

he can't monetize your trauma, who can clean?

6:12

And I was you? Not a very rocky

6:14

relationship with my stepdad. Arm.

6:17

He died of alcoholism so I went

6:19

home and but we didn't have a

6:21

great relationship. He

6:24

used to call me a trixie which is like

6:26

an old school slur. like you're acting feminine. That.

6:29

Like. Faggot Crime you know I would ever cried

6:31

echo Little Trixie Crying as I really hated that

6:33

name. And then I was doing the Rocky Horror

6:35

Picture Show on the he said i'm Walkie Talkies

6:38

is yours and there's a character named Trixie that

6:40

I ended up doing so it was like the

6:42

universe being like. The

6:44

universe reintroducing that name and has slapping an army

6:46

a your free will and then I was like

6:48

why guess I'll run with it and I only

6:51

have last name because at the time I was

6:53

using facebook and to make a profile limited a

6:55

last name. So I was up

6:57

late like was the manufacture of of of Barbie

6:59

and I was like oh Mattel on that's that's

7:01

how I thought of it. And then I thought

7:03

Trixie Mattel has it's a nice ring to it.

7:06

It's. Sights you know, clocks to or sentence you.

7:08

This is genuinely what you were meant to do

7:11

in this lifetime. right? eating I think so You

7:13

can doubt that or have you ever doubted it.

7:15

Know arm? I mean I love a lot of

7:17

things. like I loved working as a makeup artist

7:19

on every store. To the bigger part as I

7:22

loved cutting hair. I. Even

7:24

loved. Waiting. Tables I I

7:26

I loved working but it's kind of all

7:28

the collection of what you do now rightly

7:30

just to wait. Tables for instance see so

7:33

much personality, so much charisma, so much least

7:35

one on one energy which really like that's

7:37

exactly what you're doing to certain to ruin

7:39

your of they're performing to a bar full

7:41

of people and make a big very much

7:44

in the Dna what you do as well.

7:46

And yeah East India the theaters I work

7:48

in do have bars they do there's like

7:50

something there are no knowledge. it's very much

7:53

meant to do you doing. Beautiful.

7:55

A good thanks. Yeah, I just. I mean. When.

7:58

I say I love serving our themselves.

8:00

They did it. I liked it. You

8:02

know I like illegal people. Yes,

8:04

I like talking to people. I love

8:06

hockey games as anybody have ever dated.

8:08

Whether or not I like talking I'm

8:10

to a I'm like why are you

8:12

Honestly I'm up shy of stuff to

8:14

talk about six weeks club arms I

8:17

just really I love doing trixie and

8:19

you know I there's this woman more

8:21

him and as is used read be.

8:23

The. Powerball numbers. Whatever. Wisconsin you know in the

8:26

East of a real woman? Pool balls out of

8:28

a cage. that's how you put lottery numbers are

8:30

real person? Yolanda vague and would you to near

8:32

city? yeah see and they're kind of like local

8:34

celebrity hundred percent I thought you know and it's

8:36

like she was so pretty into such a big

8:39

personality and it was in college. I did a

8:41

dinner theater show with her and I was like

8:43

to do it and she said brian. Real

8:46

name she was like. The. Gear to be

8:48

like me she said i think. You.

8:50

Could do acting and stuff but you gotta find

8:52

a way that to be on stage and use

8:54

your personality and your sense of humor and that's

8:57

how you're going to do it. At. The

8:59

time I was like okay on not a

9:01

hot bits like you are but I think

9:03

she was she was. she kind of program

9:05

to be like oh my own sense of

9:07

humor like is is if it is an

9:09

asset. New are enough that. I'm.

9:11

In Us. Ah, that's the great thing

9:14

about drag. You are a star. We

9:16

just had the change. your height, your

9:18

name, the way you smell, the shape

9:20

as if you're face to gender. Ah,

9:22

what. You hear the stars ears put

9:24

it into. shouldn't like the personality that

9:26

is Trixie. and all of these dragons,

9:28

he just the most exaggerate version of

9:31

one's reality or what they wish they

9:33

could be. Yeah, I mean that's why

9:35

I think people get out of it.

9:37

Ironically, I. Play the worst

9:39

parts of I think my personality

9:41

which is like Trixie is like

9:43

self centered and stupid and I

9:45

you know a money hungry and

9:47

like. Nymphomaniac. and

9:49

somebody self involved in a lot of

9:52

ways i think the character like accidently

9:54

lands as people get something out of

9:56

it that's actually wholesome and i never

9:58

intended that i was is just trying to

10:00

entertain drug people, you know. But people

10:02

tell me what they get out of it, and I was like,

10:05

oh wow, I got a hangover out of it, but

10:07

you went home the next day and got something out

10:10

of it, that's cool. How does Trixie evolve? Like, is

10:12

it, it has to be, like, a musician, for instance,

10:14

which I want to talk music, and your grandfather was

10:16

a country musician. Like,

10:19

is this a, it's a living, breathing

10:21

thing, right? Like, it's a constantly evolving

10:23

character that is, I mean,

10:25

connected solely to you, and are there other

10:27

people, like, plotting who and what

10:29

Trixie is outside of the visuals? No, I

10:31

wish, I need, ugh, I need a creative

10:33

director. I need to just talk, I've been

10:35

doing all this myself, fucking self, but. I,

10:38

what I normally do is, like, you know,

10:40

I read on, like, Lime Once, there's this

10:42

restaurant, I think in Asia, where they've been

10:44

cooking the same pot of, like, soup for,

10:46

like, years. Oh, that's terrifying. Well,

10:49

they cleaned the pan, but it's been the same soup

10:51

cooking for, like, years. And I always feel

10:53

like with Trixie, I'll see a

10:55

movie, or hear a song, or see a

10:57

fashion show, or a taste of food, or

10:59

something that, like, imprints on me. And

11:02

I don't even notice. And then later, when I'm

11:04

making something, I'll be like, oh,

11:06

that's kind of the same vibe of that

11:08

play I saw, or, like, that artist, you

11:10

know, I think, like, right now, I

11:12

mean, I'm doing kind of my 60s thing, which I

11:14

always love to do, but when I

11:16

started doing Solid Pink Disco, my touring dance party,

11:18

that's when I started doing, like, disco Trixie. And,

11:22

you know, running the motel, I kind of have

11:24

hospitality Trixie, and so I do always think of

11:26

myself as, like, that doll that you

11:28

can change their profession just by changing the outfit, really.

11:31

I mean, that's amazing. Yeah. That's really cool. I

11:33

feel, I love selling shit. But

11:36

also, like, you go Trixie's money hungry.

11:38

There's a part of Brian that's also

11:41

really entrepreneurial, smart, and trauma.

11:43

Money hungry, yeah. Trauma. Well,

11:45

you grow up poor, and you become

11:47

an adult who has a insatiable

11:50

relationship with work. And,

11:52

you know, Susie Orman, who's a podcast I love,

11:55

icons. So good. Wait, how

11:57

many, like, random broadcasters are you gonna bring

11:59

up? Well you're saying who is my creative

12:01

director? I think it's Susie Orman at this point.

12:04

She says money is supposed to make you

12:06

feel secure. So no matter how much you

12:08

have or how little you have, if it doesn't make you feel secure,

12:10

you're not doing it right. And I still

12:13

work on that because I think growing

12:15

up very poor, I still am always

12:17

like, oh my god, what if I get, you know,

12:20

MRSA and my right leg can't work anymore. You know, I

12:22

don't even know what MRSA is but I'm

12:25

always trying to save money and set

12:27

myself up for like if I get

12:29

hurt or something and I can't be tricksy, how

12:32

am I gonna sustain my human life for the

12:34

rest of my living, you know? Do drag queens

12:36

make good money? I think some

12:38

do. I mean RuPaul seems to be doing

12:40

okay. Yeah, and RuPaul seems to think I'm doing okay.

12:42

Did you guys see on Jimmy Kimmel when she called

12:44

me rich? I was like, okay

12:47

RuPaul, like you're a little latchkey kid

12:49

who is living, okay. I'm rich. Okay.

12:52

Are you not rich? I mean,

12:54

wealth is fluid. And relative, right?

12:56

Yeah. I would say there's

12:59

drag queens who make nothing and there's drag queens

13:01

who make millions of dollars a year. It's like

13:03

any profession where like somebody's,

13:06

your private boutique makes a billion dollars and your

13:08

private boutique is on the verge of closing, I

13:11

mean. What do you

13:13

think, I mean to me it just sounds like the

13:15

perfect formula for the right like

13:17

flow of success for Trixie,

13:19

like you are this person and you're driven by

13:21

these things and you can dress

13:23

Trixie up and put her in different positions, but that's

13:25

just different shades of who you are as a person

13:27

and different things that interest you and that's

13:30

been able to organically build a brand. Yeah,

13:33

for me it was like some dog millionaire where I

13:35

was like, well all those years behind a makeup counter

13:37

working, I'm gonna start a

13:39

makeup company. I have all this training. Why wouldn't I?

13:42

Or like when I started making records it was like,

13:44

oh my god, I play guitar and sang with my

13:46

grandpa my whole life. Why don't I do that while

13:48

I'm in drag? That skill I

13:50

built up. Why don't I? So in a lot

13:52

of ways it's so cool. In drag you like

13:54

add your real skills or your real thoughts

13:57

and values or your real sense of humor and I

13:59

always see like the more I accidentally

14:01

show the audience my real self the

14:04

better it got. They

14:06

act in like the performance. Yeah the

14:08

closer you and this character became. Yeah

14:11

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14:13

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14:15

love the drag part of it and I

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Have you figured

15:02

out exactly what

15:05

your strengths and tricksy strengths are like comedy

15:07

like you did a comedy tour will you

15:09

do that again? Yeah I toured stand-up up

15:11

until COVID and then when everybody was doing

15:13

like stand-up in parking lots I was like

15:15

no thank you and then

15:18

everyone was doing zoom comedy and I don't I love

15:20

stand-up but that that was when I was like I'm

15:23

I'm gonna take a break. Yeah you played

15:25

better in person. Yeah but then I do

15:28

like you know most of what Katya and

15:30

I do is comedy but it's like freeform

15:32

improv YouTube comedy so

15:34

I guess I mostly do I still do comedy for a living

15:37

I just don't really do the stand-up circuit anymore. Now

15:39

I mostly DJ as like my my

15:41

solo bread and butter like shows. Sick.

15:44

But people love it people love a drag queen DJ they

15:46

love it. Are you gonna tour music?

15:48

The music you make? I've toured a few times

15:50

with like my band and stuff. I toured up

15:53

until 2021 and then I went

15:55

on hiatus and like my

15:57

guitar playing singing is kind of on break. and

16:00

I started DJing and then I got really into DJing.

16:02

And then I just went, like right now, I'm just

16:04

really into that. How are you fulfilled by it, creatively?

16:06

Okay, so I played guitar and sang my whole life,

16:08

right? So I love music, right? And I went to

16:10

music school, so all that theory shit makes sense to

16:12

me. And then because I'm always in

16:14

tech savvy, I always do my own YouTube channel and

16:16

shit. When I started DJing, it

16:18

was like being tech savvy and being

16:21

musical, it came very quickly and it made a

16:23

lot of sense to me. I mean, all those

16:25

years I worked in nightclubs, somebody

16:27

was DJing, somebody was providing all the music,

16:29

and then when COVID happened and there was

16:31

no clubs, I was like, oh my God,

16:33

I kind of miss dance music. So then

16:35

I started going into dance music. And

16:38

then I was at an event where I saw

16:40

this DJ, Daisy Odell, who's from Los Angeles, and

16:42

she was in a boa in a sequined mini

16:44

dress behind the DJ deck. And it was like

16:46

a burning bush where I was like, she's

16:49

not a drag queen, but I was like, I put

16:51

my thumb over the brown hair and I was like, yeah. I'm

16:54

in, yeah, I'm gonna do this. And then I like

16:56

went out, bought the club's standard equipment and

16:58

put it set up in my living room. What you

17:00

guys gotta know about me is, when I wanna learn

17:02

to do this- You'll just do it. I'm gonna do

17:04

it. And I'm gonna hyper fixate on it and learn

17:06

everything about it. Because

17:09

I just, like I said, I just believe in myself.

17:12

So I'm just like, I'm gonna do that. Where's

17:14

that build from you thing? Trauma.

17:17

Totally. And probably delusion.

17:20

But like, it's weird, don't let go of

17:22

that delusion. No, I feel like

17:24

now, I don't like to rag on the

17:26

kids, but I feel like the vibe is

17:28

like, I

17:31

don't encourage leaning into negative

17:35

thoughts. You can't do

17:37

this, anxieties. I don't encourage that. I

17:40

encourage going

17:42

somewhere else with it. I always just feel like

17:44

I want this. And especially as a drag queen,

17:47

we're already so self-sufficient. We have to do our own

17:49

hair. We have to make our own costumes. We have to

17:51

mix our own mixes, book our own gigs. From

17:54

the beginning as a drag queen, you have to learn to do

17:56

everything yourself. So when you want to do it, You're

17:59

used to having no hair. He was couple can do

18:01

it. And you opry the

18:03

same now. Oh yeah, I mean

18:05

now I think I'm a little more interested

18:07

in. Work. Life balance. I.

18:09

Certainly have minister day at but. Your.

18:12

This is like my six day and drag

18:15

this week which is little heavy for me

18:17

I'm but thank you for doing this site.

18:19

It's incredible what I do. For.

18:21

You guys arms and then I. I'm gonna go on

18:23

a three month break. July, August, September I've taken up

18:26

a book or my first ever break. I'm now. You

18:28

go. Would he do? I mean you go to Alaska.

18:30

I want to see what's going on over. There are

18:32

no cameras, oh nothing. Just go. Just go. Oh sister.

18:34

I've never worked there and I probably never will. on.

18:36

I want to see what the bible is so how

18:39

long we go for. I think about a week ago

18:41

yet. I also don't have a yeah I think I'm

18:43

gonna get the by but about two hours each threats

18:45

and then I you know I'm from Wisconsin. I'm going

18:47

to spend a lot more time at home. Clay have

18:49

a house in Wisconsin I have a gay. Bar their

18:52

sign it doesn't have of the bar what is it

18:54

This is it. This is it oldest give our Wisconsin

18:56

would have is an opportunity even come to you well

18:58

again you makes it happened. So when I turned twenty

19:00

one that's the first gay bar I went to and

19:02

the bartender george I walked in he was like i'm

19:05

never seen in here before and he was so nice

19:07

and his like can to make your drink again or

19:09

we drink can you make something for a twenty one

19:11

year old who doesn't have an order drinks and he

19:13

made me a tootsie roll which is like little drink

19:15

the committee's like chocolate. Weird.

19:18

right? And then we stayed

19:20

friends and then break during covert I called

19:22

him a was like i don't know ios

19:24

financial situation but I really want more roots

19:26

in Milwaukee. Would you want to be partners

19:28

at me. And. So I just kind of

19:30

ask them to Ny. And it

19:32

was during Kobe. So all the news

19:34

articles like Trixie Saves local bar. With

19:37

you know anything about me as I would

19:39

never buy into a dying business with a

19:41

gay bar that's of liquor. In Wisconsin that's

19:43

a money printing machine. The people in Wisconsin

19:46

drink. Okay so I think if you're going

19:48

to go into business Wisconsin. Use

19:50

probably sell liquor. what a

19:52

beautiful sunny circle moments yeah now my business

19:54

partners the guy who gave me my first

19:56

trigger me i really drink the kool aid

19:58

that so yeah it's It's great.

20:00

It's a wonderful bar. It's been open since

20:03

the 60s. It's one of the oldest consecutively

20:05

open bars I mean we're even open on

20:07

Christmas. Oh because gay people sometimes don't have

20:09

families to go to so we're

20:11

fucking open on Christmas So

20:15

Okay, other financial dealings. I'm interested

20:17

in how these houses work. I'm watching your

20:19

show. I watch the motel I've also seen

20:21

the motel from the outside you

20:23

did. Wow. That's funny. I love Palm Springs. It's beautiful

20:26

Isn't it? Palm Springs is awesome. One of my favorite

20:28

places on earth. Mm-hmm The world

20:30

is so crazy and Palm Springs like stands

20:32

unscathed It's so true like

20:34

a movie set. It's amazing the entire

20:36

place. You really feel like you're transported

20:38

into another dimension Yeah, so, okay.

20:40

We have a bar in Wisconsin.

20:43

Mm-hmm. We have a house that we're

20:45

renovating in this new season. We have

20:47

a tail in Palm Springs Yes, these

20:49

are nice pieces of you know real

20:51

estate. Yes. How does it work with

20:53

this TV show? Do you buy the

20:55

property and then do it with

20:57

the production company or you use like is

20:59

it a are you both of you together?

21:02

Are we making smart investments saying I'm gonna

21:04

buy this and essentially the TV show is

21:06

gonna pay for it Well, you

21:08

know, it's funny. Everybody thinks that like HGTV or whatever

21:10

just buys you a property. Let me fucking tell you

21:12

people That's not what's happening

21:14

when I'm on camera in season 2 stressing out

21:16

about the money. We're spending It's because I had

21:18

to put on nasty little outfits like this and

21:20

roll around for drunk men to get it So

21:23

that's why forgive me when we're fighting about tile.

21:25

I'm like, well guess who's gonna have to shimmy

21:27

for that fucking tile, you know, like Yeah,

21:32

I mean I I have always described myself as

21:34

a clown stripper and I think they're gonna I

21:38

Mean, you know I get out of a little car

21:40

because me and drag I make every car look little

21:42

okay You're like, oh, is that

21:44

a toy car she pulled up in? Oh, that's a Lincoln

21:46

Navigator You know And

21:50

I just I buy that for season one my

21:52

partner and I David bought the motel and

21:54

then David the TV producer So he was the one who was

21:56

like, well, we should pitch it as a show. It sounds like

21:59

a cool show So good My dream has always been to

22:01

have like a, you know, Kathy Griffin, My Life on the

22:03

D-List, The Simple Life, a show where I just get to

22:05

get followed and act like a fool. And

22:07

so we bought the motel and then sold

22:10

the series. And then for season two, we

22:12

were about to go house hunting.

22:15

And 15 months after airing, it got renewed. So then

22:18

they were like, you guys opening a motel? What are

22:20

you doing? And we were like, well, we're

22:22

about to buy a house. So should we renovate, like, we're going

22:24

to renovate a house. So why don't we

22:26

do that this season? So I thought it'd be less stressful.

22:29

But let me tell you, cameras in your house, in your

22:31

personal life, cameras on me and my partner

22:34

talking about our relationship more in

22:36

depth. It's definitely more this season. Because

22:39

you're designing something that I'm assuming is

22:41

with the identity of being your dream

22:43

home, right? Yeah, I mean, and forever?

22:45

Yeah, I don't want to move again. I mean,

22:47

my condo, which you see in season one was

22:49

a lovely condo, but it wasn't big enough for

22:51

me, all my drag and David. So when we

22:53

wanted to move in together, it was like, we're

22:57

going to have to get a house. And I was

22:59

on tour when we finished filming season one of Trixie

23:01

Motel. I toured until we started season two. I toured

23:03

for like a year and a half. But

23:05

that's why I got the money for the house. So

23:07

you know, that's fucking incredible. Thank you. You got

23:09

to put on the national outfits and go out

23:11

there and sell the shit with your face on

23:14

it. You know, if you want to keep

23:16

your man. So it's not

23:18

easy being both the trophy wife and

23:20

the breadwinner, but somehow you

23:22

do it. Yeah, I'm the trophy bread. I'm

23:25

not the trophy bread. Like

23:28

what is your relationship with

23:30

the show today? Because I

23:32

don't think people understand either. You

23:34

probably reformed thousands

23:37

upon thousands upon maybe even tens of

23:39

thousands of times over the years. Like

23:42

are you, do you think about it? Do

23:44

you put time and effort into your set? Do you

23:46

just flow? I mean, obviously you put time and

23:48

effort, but like how much of it is improv?

23:50

How much of it is keeping it to the script and like our

23:53

nerves at play? Well I

23:55

think visually it's always a little more planned, right?

23:57

I'll be like, you know, for first season, I

23:59

think my. Costumer Amy who she's sewn basically just

24:01

for me for like five years I just there's

24:03

nothing there's no time and it's nothing to do

24:05

in her life except so for me Unfortunately, so

24:08

we've been trying to get better at giving her

24:10

breaks because otherwise she's just stuck sewing for a

24:12

six-foot-tall woman all the time, but Sorry,

24:14

five foot tall But

24:16

she will talk to the season

24:19

of like here's the vibe I want to do

24:21

a swimsuit for this episode and then this episode

24:23

we're revealing this room if it's the flamingo theme

24:25

room Let's do something pink. We kind of plan

24:27

ahead, but comedically speaking We

24:29

I mean we really just riff. I mean my partner

24:31

didn't even want to be on TV. He's not a

24:33

performer He doesn't want to be famous But

24:36

you know when we're sitting here renovating the motel

24:38

and he really is the other owner It

24:41

became impossible to not include him in

24:43

decision-making stress so it's pretty

24:46

funny that this city is like full of people who would die

24:48

to be on TV and David

24:50

Silver is like oh god. We have to film

24:52

today. Oh, he like hates it How's

24:54

your approach with being doing like

24:56

on tour like when you're performing and rolling

24:59

around for drunk guys Is the

25:01

same approach of like just like you know the

25:03

songs you're gonna sing lip-sync to you you

25:05

can kind of flow with the crowd Work, I mean how

25:07

much do you get nervous before that? My

25:10

mindset is I trust myself to go out

25:12

there memorized and I trust myself to go out

25:14

there with nothing sick So whatever happens in the

25:16

middle is gonna be fine Realistically

25:18

you have to be up there and be present so

25:21

you have to stray Can't

25:23

stand your skeleton of like bullet points mentally

25:26

But if you go there with nothing it is

25:28

gonna be a look you're gonna have to be have a magic

25:30

day where you're so In the moment that you go. It's nothing.

25:32

It's great. Anyway kind of like the one I'm having right now

25:35

So I always plan like

25:37

for DJ sets when I have solid pink disco,

25:40

which is my touring disco party People come head

25:42

to toe in pink the whole venues decorated pink

25:44

you walk in the scent of waffle cone hits

25:46

you in the face Like it's a crazy party.

25:49

I have my set pretty much

25:51

pre-rehearsed and pre-planned about 90% The

25:55

same every night because I would rather go out there and

25:57

drag and just be able to DJ and know what's coming.

26:00

That vs like. For.

26:02

A live podcast with Katia. Were always

26:04

touring Obama Beautiful live. We.

26:06

Don't go there with anything. We. Purposely go

26:08

out there and we haven't like mental things.

26:10

I might want to talk about: Alec: oh

26:13

Kate Middleton Missing Collects Oh I. It does

26:15

happen it airport. We. Really try to

26:17

got be organic. Because.

26:20

I think be able to make it up and be

26:22

entertained funny on the fly since and is it is

26:24

the talent. So. Do. That.

26:27

Next comes from years of just working in a

26:29

place for forming bars and like for anxious and

26:31

just talking myself like being a middle child that

26:33

no one's listening to like I just had entered

26:36

I was young and gay in the country and

26:38

of the very much a middle child and you

26:40

have to like entertain yourself. And.

26:43

In Drag. It made me so much. You know,

26:45

Trixie? It just so much bigger

26:48

and more confident you swing bigger. Everything that comes

26:50

to your mind seems like a brilliant idea and

26:52

you have to tell the broom. You

26:54

know, I honestly what I'm not dressed up like

26:56

this. It's difficult for me to maybe ramble on

26:58

in this way. I think. Things

27:01

are saying. I. Get that. We usually get

27:03

sense of confidence. There's a sense of you can

27:05

say anything or do anything and like. Know.

27:08

It's not like there's no ramifications, a ripple

27:10

effect, but it's different. Like Sweden, get mad

27:12

at the i don't have a social security

27:14

number and drag like resuming citizens of you

27:16

know I don't like with the cross dresser.

27:19

Sad. Okay, have this country probably be killed

27:21

for working on the street like this. So

27:23

who cares? America to say this. I certainly

27:25

didn't start doing drag because I wanted a

27:27

boon to like me. I mean even fifteen

27:29

sixteen years ago And drag when I started.

27:32

Even the gay guys didn't really like the

27:34

drag queens. We were like pariahs within a

27:37

closed weird community. It's like the gay community,

27:39

the small comfort of the population. Notice the

27:41

drag queens or the freaks know eyebrows in

27:43

the corner who no one will talk to

27:45

and certainly will not Fox. So we were

27:47

freaks and only the last few years did.

27:49

like now if you're a drag queen you

27:51

could tell people in the school sure he

27:54

was not cool for a long time and

27:56

by the really good still a single your

27:58

lot of people he was in her aleppo

28:00

be and they choose to take that out

28:02

And very we're laziness and like a lot

28:04

of part of the parts of that is

28:06

like i'm do they do that you know

28:08

ah see it on me the I'm I'm

28:11

not easy I think mainly because I'm a

28:13

just in a being to honestly a more

28:15

freebie passing than I am. Like when when

28:17

are openly like aesthetically like. A

28:19

queer. You know, according to who I mean

28:21

I think I mean let's the i don't

28:23

a data on people tell me that's genuinely

28:26

less comment below. Okay mother did it as

28:28

course going i'm synergy sense for this a

28:30

great thing while I'm here. You'll always seem

28:32

straight, every bit, dry cleaning and suddenly it's

28:34

you are a you Fc fighter. Checked it

28:36

out. Make everyone and

28:39

I also make women look like they just

28:41

know how to make up the of on

28:43

you look like a soft beautiful like clear

28:45

some commercial nuclear steps out of the shower

28:47

but it's something I would notice at least.

28:49

Was like the Next Generation or the

28:51

Lee of Lee gin. The illegal drugs

28:53

and zeal like. A clear men

28:55

internalized homophobia is very weird thing that people go

28:58

through and they figure out legal at least and

29:00

within their generation and they they retaliate and they

29:02

take it out and very weird ways you know

29:04

and totally. Third, I was just talking to a

29:07

friend about this are a writer I saw him

29:09

worked at on and I was telling them about

29:11

Dragged to talk about Drag and will It really

29:13

is like I have to really mentally go to

29:15

what it was like before. I. Like

29:17

hit as Trixie because that's real drag

29:20

queens working. It's working in bars for

29:22

forty dollars. Was stepping over bridesmaids puke

29:24

into Journal, taking the public transit home.

29:27

That's drags right? What I do now

29:29

is like so actually remove from real

29:31

drag. Real drag. And I was saying

29:34

like it's weird because. Drag.

29:37

Really forces you to do away

29:39

with all your internalized homophobia because

29:41

when you're the drag queen suddenly

29:43

all the baggies parts of you

29:45

are super powers and everyone loves

29:47

it. But on the other hand,

29:49

you are double downing. And

29:51

sentencing yourself to being a freak for the rest

29:54

of your life. I mean, drag queens are weird.

29:56

We. Are weird. That's why we're

29:58

friends with each other. because we are. Freak and

30:00

we always will be And like on a first date.

30:02

This is what I have to tell people about.

30:05

You know if there's beauty and freedom

30:07

and love and acceptance and all these

30:09

incredible things that come along with this

30:12

and like in Los Angeles says no?

30:14

I'd life I see, I'd love drag

30:16

as our I am a massive fan.

30:19

I mean like. Can. Tell

30:21

you the winter Missy bees in Kansas

30:23

City and been out Nashville bunch been

30:25

out near city but out l a

30:27

bunch of random big and small Dallas

30:29

Houston. I love drag and really do

30:31

hate the community banks here. It's a

30:33

beautiful art form. It is so beautiful

30:35

it the brings up the best in

30:37

most people. It's cool. I mean I

30:39

feel like it has like a Miss

30:41

America arm identity right now as it

30:43

is beautiful and it is good for

30:45

the human spirit it is. I know

30:48

for me what attracted me to it

30:50

was you know. Being loud. Being.

30:52

Foul mouth, You know. Cash in

30:54

hand, Be. Disgusting. and as

30:56

honestly I get like I'm a

30:58

charge on of doing something that

31:01

in many cultures is like punishable

31:03

by death. It's doing dried is

31:05

poking the bear and stuff like

31:07

that gender xp or it is

31:09

poking the bear of the American

31:11

like family unit. Male.

31:13

Female son, daughter like. We walked him

31:16

like this and we called the entire

31:18

system into. It. We call it

31:20

into question though. It. says. It is all

31:22

kind of made up. I mean being a man here.

31:25

When we think of what it's like to be

31:27

a man or woman, we think of the Americanized

31:29

version. Many cultures are men wear dresses, many cultures

31:31

women have short hair, others should have made up.

31:34

And I not like hey i. Even.

31:37

People who may be are to let's say

31:39

like. Okay, Boomer to grasp

31:41

something like. Gender. Binary.

31:44

It's like what would the reason drag makes

31:46

you uncomfortable because it really adds static to

31:48

something that previously you thought was very crystal

31:50

clear you know And I like that. I

31:52

like when I'm in drag and someone looks

31:54

at me like they wanna throw up. I.

31:57

Know we're supposed to do not want that. But

32:00

like. I don't wanna Leona Wanna read

32:02

of the library to kids? To the

32:04

get I'm a clown stripper. I like doing

32:06

something that is like adults in in your

32:08

face and I'm a nasty. I

32:11

like that drag as a little growth would

32:13

using drag has the ability. To. Take

32:15

different forms based on the performer for trading

32:17

and are bringing to life. Oh yeah, of

32:19

course I mean like. It's.

32:22

Sort of like you could be a comic

32:24

and be really really really blew. You know?

32:26

Or you could have one of those acts

32:28

that squeaky clean are now. let's. They

32:30

really to and it depends how you define

32:33

it like. I love Elvira Her tt there

32:35

are constantly since, but she never says like

32:37

i'm gonna suck your dick It's always innuendo,

32:39

it's always inferred. it's like Bugs Bunny. And.

32:42

I think would drag. It's always like. I.

32:46

Personally like presenting something for adults. I want

32:48

to talk about adults it, but if some

32:50

other man and a wig wants to I

32:52

don't know read a children. I'm

32:54

real happy for you. I'm. Gonna be a part of

32:56

that. Because I like to the

32:58

anywhere. Especially now you know

33:00

I started doing drag not to fuck and friend

33:03

knows the children. Okay. Back. When

33:05

I started doing drag, a room was twenty one

33:07

and up like the twenty one year olds were.

33:09

The baby's here and now people are sitting cross

33:11

legged at the Boston Public Library. You know giving

33:13

can the had to the children arm. I.

33:16

Can barely read in advance which is

33:18

there a place in society for it?

33:21

Yeah cause I mean of course to say

33:23

that drag as and for kids is to say

33:25

like all music isn't for kids Are comedies enough

33:27

for kids Earth. I am so disgusting. but

33:29

I keep their so many drag queens who

33:31

are like. Borderline. Nuns

33:34

there so whole some they got

33:36

into drag about. It's about love

33:38

and acceptance and connecting. I'm.

33:41

That's not me, but for many it is.

33:43

And I think of course they should be

33:45

allowed to do that. you know one

33:47

hundred percent same reason i should be allowed to

33:50

put on something disgusting and perform for in dell

33:52

the afford to was drunk adults in on him

33:54

in would you like to sit down with someone

33:56

they rhonda centers and how conversations you know i'm

33:58

relieved out for the professionals because I

34:01

I know we're supposed to keep

34:03

I know we're supposed to keep it like keep the

34:06

aisle open and try to connect and Like I

34:08

watch like we're here where the drag queens go to small

34:10

towns and like I Wouldn't

34:13

last five Seconds with these

34:15

people I would have a

34:17

meltdown somebody would get hit like I

34:19

just can't take it I don't understand

34:22

why when somebody's ignorant. It's up to

34:24

me have the patience. It's up to

34:26

me To put on

34:28

the backpack of all the bricks in it

34:31

That are labeled like your shame

34:33

your homophobia your whatever and it's

34:35

my job to process it and Be

34:38

patient with you Why is

34:41

it on me? You're the one with the problem with me

34:43

your problems are not my problems That's

34:45

how I feel you don't have to come to the

34:47

drag show You don't

34:49

have to watch Drag Race. The fact

34:51

is we're not beating down your doors trying

34:53

to convert your children Nobody

34:57

drag queens are not that organized.

34:59

These are uneducated whores You

35:02

would think the new the conservative news you would think

35:04

that these whores After a drag

35:06

show are going down to a secret bunker and laying

35:08

out a map of the world and planning what they're

35:10

gonna do these bitches

35:13

Can barely return an email? They

35:16

are in drag queens are not taking over the world.

35:18

I mean we're taking over, you

35:20

know I mean, you know trick

35:22

kati and I had a major tour last

35:24

year. We sold out Radio City huge So if you

35:26

think we're taking over the world in some ways we

35:28

are But like dude, we're not trying to

35:31

force you to be gay and we're certainly not trying to

35:33

force you to do drag But I

35:35

Queens hate new drag queens We

35:37

do when I was a new drag queen. I was

35:39

like, why are they all such cunts to me? Now

35:41

I get it because when someone walks in thinking they

35:43

are Queen boop and they look like an oatmeal fucking

35:45

cookie It's just it's

35:47

just melting creamy texture. You're

35:50

like, okay, boo, you know, like it's just

35:52

not It's not for me.

35:54

Do you remember the moment you got really great

35:56

at makeup and realized it was still waiting I

36:00

still have bad days. I do all my own makeup

36:02

So I still like today I had to put on

36:05

this body makeup and then put on a white outfit

36:07

So for me to try to get my body

36:09

makeup body into this white tube Brandon my assistant

36:11

was like stretching it like a rubber band over

36:14

my arm. I still

36:16

have hard days or like when I watch um If

36:19

I do like a season of the show like I just watched

36:21

all the episodes of Trixie motel for picture lock I had to

36:23

watch all the episodes and I

36:25

would catch like oh my eyes creasing or like

36:28

oh There's a fly away or like my lace

36:30

is lifting. I still catch things on myself all

36:32

the time It's almost

36:34

like you're not supposed to get in drag and be on

36:36

set for 12 hours I mean, that's the other problem the

36:38

older I get the more I'm like I

36:41

used to drag for 90 minutes tops a few

36:43

times a week and now Shoot days

36:45

can be 10 12 hours of sitting in drag.

36:47

Thank God. My beard doesn't grow very fast. It

36:49

was like By the end of the

36:51

day you'd have fucking captain Jack Sparrow sitting there. You know I've

36:55

been staring at your eyes the whole time. I'm just mesmerized

36:57

by them. Like I can't tell if you're looking at me

36:59

or not It's yeah, no one knows I know sometimes Sometimes

37:02

that photo shoots. They're like we can't see your eyes. I'm like

37:04

never let them know your next move They

37:07

have no business knowing where eyes are looking. It's like when

37:09

you're at the airport and you want to people watch you

37:11

put on sunglasses Yeah, that's how I felt. Look at this

37:13

make-all shot but you know if

37:15

you guys have seen me out of drag I look very

37:17

different and My

37:19

eyes are really small and you know, I'm just

37:22

very I look I look like a blank canvas

37:24

for drag Everything is just a skin colored egg,

37:26

you know, and when I made this I make

37:28

up up I don't

37:30

know what I was on but I basically

37:32

was just like I'm gonna completely rebuild the

37:34

structure of my eyes It's not

37:37

gonna use my real eyes. I'm not gonna use my

37:39

real face. I Mean

37:41

the Trixie makeup on other people they look like

37:44

copy they look exactly like me because you don't

37:46

have to look anything like me So

37:48

you designed this essentially like you looked at your face

37:51

as a blank canvas Yes at

37:53

the time. I was really into like my

37:55

little pony and like 60s Barbie and like

37:59

Like Sharon and Tate, there was like stuff I was

38:01

into and I think I was

38:03

playing with it like I always liked

38:05

doing the white because I felt like it really

38:07

opened my tiny eyes and then over the years

38:10

the white got bigger and then the

38:12

liner the black liner got bigger the brows

38:14

moved up higher the cheeks got deeper it

38:17

just kept pushing it and being like well what if

38:19

I do more what if I do more because you

38:21

know before I was doing TV and stuff I had

38:23

done years and years and years of drag in nightclubs

38:25

so you can get away with a lot when everyone's

38:28

drunk you can look

38:30

pretty bad at a drag show you can get a

38:33

dark I was drunk like

38:35

you know some of them are half like are

38:37

all the way back to the bar like but

38:40

um I really lucked out

38:43

with this makeup because it does seem to

38:45

burn into people's minds whether they like me

38:47

or not they remember seeing me it's really

38:49

perfect well thank you it's a brand in

38:51

of itself yeah I really lucked out

38:53

I didn't you know when I was 18 19 I wasn't like a business mastermind

38:57

being like I'm gonna design an icon I'm gonna design

38:59

a look that everyone will you know I just lucked

39:01

out no it was essentially started with you I mean

39:03

I mean this is peace and lovely trying to redesign

39:05

your own face right oh yeah cuz I looked in

39:07

the mirror and I was like I

39:09

don't look like a woman I'm six feet tall

39:12

I have like you know a heavy brow bone

39:14

a big nose tiny eyes I don't have a

39:16

face that's gonna convert to drag very well you

39:18

would look pretty good at drag oh yeah yeah

39:20

you look you have a nice big lid space

39:22

and kind of like a narrow nose got it

39:24

and these broad round cheekbones interesting you would look

39:26

pretty good in drag okay thank you um but

39:30

for me I was like well I'm just gonna have

39:32

to come up with a look that's like a complete

39:34

build from scratch and with that you get a brand

39:36

right like you have yeah it's something that was like

39:38

yours yeah and I used to be able sorry not

39:40

here getting fucked up no I

39:42

used it it does isn't it no it's not hey

39:45

Brandon can I have a mirror sorry I think

39:47

I just fucked up my ear I just

39:50

start crying I

39:52

actually think it's okay it's okay yeah um

39:55

what was I saying oh I think

39:59

he's coming now Oh,

40:01

thank you. Sorry. Oh, look at this

40:04

little broken. Yeah, this is a Trixie compact. It's broken.

40:06

Here we go. He snapped it

40:08

in half and still used it. I'm

40:10

Ojibwe. We use the whole animal. Yeah,

40:14

you are really interesting. Like you're Native American,

40:17

right? Yeah, I'm a quarter. I mean, I

40:19

wouldn't exactly start nominating me as, you know,

40:21

the leader of any individual tribe or anything.

40:23

But, you know, my mom was half. My

40:25

grandma was full. So I really grew up

40:28

around. Honestly, the

40:30

women I was obsessed with were my mom and grandma.

40:32

Like I grew up around Native

40:34

American women. And so I think for me,

40:37

when I was building Trixie, I used

40:39

to have blue contacts and I kind of built

40:41

her to be a caricature

40:44

of like Americanized

40:46

Caucasian success,

40:49

like tiny waist, huge boobs,

40:51

huge blonde hair, super

40:53

tan, full lips, rich but

40:56

dumb. Right. Like I kind of

40:58

wanted her to be like, I didn't

41:00

know at the time when I was younger, I think I was making

41:02

fun of what I thought like a rich white

41:04

blonde lady was. Again,

41:07

I was just fucking around. It wasn't like a master

41:09

plan. But also like what? I

41:11

don't know. Like that's also like in the

41:13

sense of like rich, dumb white lady. Like that's

41:15

also like a idealized version of society to a

41:17

certain degree too. Right. And it's also making fun

41:20

of like I was like, if you look at

41:22

me in drag and you see woman, that

41:24

really should make you think like, wow, the

41:27

way we perceive gender is so fucked because

41:29

I look insane. But

41:31

our brains are trained to think like, okay,

41:33

big boobs, small waist, big hair, big lashes,

41:35

big lips, woman, you know, but

41:38

like there's plenty of men who don't

41:40

look like men per se and believe women who

41:42

don't look like women. I'm talking like the

41:45

New York Times cartoon of a man and a woman,

41:47

like really reductive. And I think in drag,

41:49

everybody was always trying to look like a woman. And

41:51

I, when I was younger was like, I want to look like a

41:53

drag queen. So if drag queens

41:55

are accentuating women shit,

41:58

like my look, I'm an accentuate. I

42:00

want a waist that is destifying. I

42:02

want huge heels, huge lashes, huge

42:04

hair. I just wanted to look

42:07

as synthetic as possible. You know?

42:11

You achieved it. Yeah. Fabricated.

42:14

Very fabricated. Is becoming tricky just second nature at

42:16

this point? Like what comes with the makeup

42:18

and getting dressed? Or do you still have to like think about

42:20

it? It

42:23

just snaps on. I mean, for me,

42:26

I don't really feel a huge

42:28

delineation. But when I watch like me in

42:30

drag or out of drag, I hear and see two different

42:33

people. So I think for me, it just snaps on, but

42:35

I don't really notice. But when

42:37

I get in drag, I always do my own. And I sit

42:39

at my little makeup station, and I usually put on a TV

42:41

show. Like I just recently, I'll watch

42:43

The Office a lot. The Comeback, Will

42:46

and Grace, Tabitha

42:49

Salon Takeover is what I've been watching while I get in

42:51

drag. Oh, classic. And

42:53

you showed out Cassie Griffin's life on

42:55

the D-list. Another iconic reality show. Yeah,

42:59

that show does not get its... Well, it does get

43:01

its flowers. It has multiple Emmys, but... It deserves more.

43:03

Yeah, in the grand scheme of life, she really... She's

43:06

amazing. ...moved reality TV forward in a

43:08

major way. Reality TV, culture,

43:10

comedy. Cassie Griffin does not get enough credit.

43:13

And like also, nobody talks about the fact

43:15

that she was with Steve Wozniak. That is

43:17

crazy. I know. I need to marry

43:19

for money. I need to get on that level. She's

43:22

amazing. And her mom, Maggie, I love her. Icon,

43:25

yes. I'm actually kind of

43:27

friends with her now, and she has a dog named

43:29

Maggie, which I think is very sweet, named after her

43:31

mom. That's really special. Well, I met her because I

43:33

was in some interview talking about D-list. Because we were

43:35

making Trixie Motel, we obviously thought of

43:38

D-list. We also thought of The Comeback.

43:40

We thought of Simple Life. You know, it's kind of... We

43:43

portrayed it like, okay, well, Trixie's swinging a hammer.

43:45

That's all I need to know. That's

43:47

already stupid, right? A drag queen doing renovations.

43:50

But in a way, it's like, well, drag queens renovate their bodies

43:52

every single day, right? You've got to have the vision. And

43:55

with D-list, I ended up meeting Kathy because I

43:57

was somewhere talking about, like, she really... It was... Prolific

44:00

what they did on that show they gave her it's

44:02

very obvious. They gave her no money And

44:05

it's very obvious to me They didn't quite believe

44:07

in her show because in the beginning she really

44:09

was just doing whatever she wanted and it's sort

44:11

of like that Show succeeded despite It

44:14

wasn't exactly promoted like a hero show on

44:16

the network and that show was just so

44:18

funny And she's so whipcrack smart

44:20

and her career was equal parts a list

44:23

sometimes and equal parts like I can't believe

44:25

she's doing this But

44:27

that's how it really is you guys know

44:29

that's how being a performer really is totally

44:32

it's That you should go

44:34

back and rewatch it and while you're over on peacock

44:36

you can obviously watch It's

44:39

staying as Trixie motel, right? Yeah, it's on

44:41

max. Oh my god. I'm so fucking sorry

44:43

man. It's really fucked up No, that is

44:45

really fucked up. We'll put link below. It's

44:47

on max One of my claims to fame

44:49

is on a scale max you can change your avatar to me. Oh, that's

44:52

really cool Yeah, people are always sending me pictures of

44:54

like you're my like, you know, when you have multiple

44:57

profiles you can do Trixie So everybody

44:59

should go do that. I don't know. Oh, that's really

45:01

cool. Well, you're over on max

45:03

watch jinx season two That's on there. I

45:05

am a big max person. I really fucked

45:07

that one up. Are you talking with the

45:09

jinx? Yeah Yeah, believe it's crazy that person

45:13

who I Don't like to

45:15

call murderers murderers because I don't want to get murdered as A

45:19

rule, you know, I don't like to do

45:21

I know you're ever one of my with like a certified killer

45:24

But it seems as if he killed

45:26

these people which I find puzzling

45:28

because if you did Why

45:31

are you giving interviews about it? It's crazy It's

45:33

if I killed someone and you guys wanted to

45:35

talk to me about it. I would have been

45:38

Sick, you know, maybe like he's

45:40

not exactly for somebody who was kind of a

45:42

mastermind. I'm like a moron But

45:45

it just goes to show you I think I

45:47

think they do talk about killers who like want to get

45:50

caught I think there is a certain amount of getting close

45:52

to getting caught. Oh, that's the rush Yeah, and that's what

45:54

I mean a lot of those killers like they'll go and

45:56

they'll show up to the search parties I'll show up to

45:58

the press conferences. They like wanted be near it

46:01

and in it and... Well, the woman

46:03

from Baby Reindeer, Aunt Pierce Morgan. Wild.

46:05

It's so cunty. I love

46:07

it. And she really is just

46:09

Kathy Bates in misery and she's like, here I am

46:11

world. You know? She's

46:14

owning it and she's getting paid money. She's gonna

46:16

start doing club appearances. Well, that's what I'm... We're

46:19

also in the land of Jipsy Rose Blanchard on The View. You know,

46:21

like... Crazy. We're in

46:23

a very special place in the world where like, it's a little like

46:25

The Hunger Games. Like, Katniss

46:27

went and killed people and then she gets

46:29

to go on a victory tour. Like, it's really crazy. Like,

46:35

the... We say dystopian,

46:37

like, I'm always like, dystopian.

46:39

What else is there left to become

46:42

dystopian? We're in it. We're living it.

46:45

Are you ready for the election in November? Am

46:47

I ready? Are you recruiting people?

46:49

Of course I'm ready. You know, one time I voted

46:51

in drag because I was on set and I had

46:53

to vote. On that day, I had to vote at

46:56

an elementary school and I was on the way to

46:58

set so I had the car stop so I could go in and vote. It's

47:01

iconic. Because I was like, I'm in a fucking boat. I

47:03

can't let working stop me from voting because then I'm part

47:05

of the problem. You know what I mean? And I go

47:07

in and everyone was treating it like, yeah, girl, like, it's

47:09

activism. I'm like, I'm just busy. This

47:11

isn't me trying to be like, yeah. I'm like, I'm just trying to

47:14

get in and out. Give me the Scantron.

47:16

Thank you. The Scantron. Or

47:19

whatever, you know, like, the little thing. I haven't heard that in so

47:21

long. It's giving me high school energy. I don't think I've taken a

47:23

real... In beauty school, we took

47:25

Scantrons. I think maybe the last time I took a Scantron

47:27

was like the ACT

47:30

test in high school. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are

47:32

you good at standardized testing? No. What?

47:35

I kind of slay. I was always one of those people

47:37

who didn't have to study and I could get that. You're smart. You

47:40

really are just naturally and organically intelligent. Like,

47:42

you don't have to try Everless. It's

47:45

coming. I'm going to take that with

47:47

me. Yeah, anybody who can like fly

47:49

through those things, you have a really

47:52

thick baseline of intelligence. So

47:54

like, you can make the most out of everything you

47:56

got. So when RuPaul's talking about you being rich, like,

47:58

yeah, you're fucking smart. I,

48:00

I guess I just like, um,

48:04

I get really focused on shit. When

48:06

I want something, I really obsess over it and think about

48:08

it until I get it. I'm

48:11

really crazy. That's

48:13

okay though. I'm really crazy. I'm

48:15

really crazy. And when I want something, I

48:17

deep dive. Like when I started to fall

48:19

in love with DJing, I was

48:22

watching every house music documentary. I was listening to

48:24

all the dance music I could gather. I

48:26

was learning my CDJ equipment inside and

48:28

out, learning every function of every button.

48:31

I just am such a try hard little bitch. But

48:34

it worked. Yeah, it always works because I'm

48:36

insane. So I'm not going to stop until

48:38

it works. But you also care. I

48:40

care. That's the thing. I really care.

48:42

And as much as I joke about it, I

48:44

feel so fortunate to do Trixie. I

48:46

always try to really do the best thing

48:49

I can do. Look the best. Be the

48:51

funniest. Do my, do my best job. What

48:53

do you do on days? I'm sure your job is like every other

48:56

job where sometimes you just don't feel like doing it that day. Oh

48:58

today. Are you kidding me? I mean getting

49:00

in drag this morning, I wanted to kill both of you. I'm

49:03

so sorry. I wanted to kill both of you. I

49:05

was getting, I had to get up at eight to do phoners and

49:07

I was like, oh my God, I was doing interviews. Oh you have

49:09

a press day. And then I had to be getting dragged. And I

49:11

was like, oh my God. You

49:14

know, I just feel like every

49:16

job I've ever had, there's some days where I don't feel

49:18

like it. So even if you have your

49:20

dream job, like I do, some days you're like, I don't want

49:22

to shove my dick up my ass

49:24

today. I don't want

49:26

to cram my foot into high heels. I don't.

49:29

And then sometimes these long shoot days, like I was shooting

49:31

with Katya. We were shooting our Netflix show. I like to

49:34

watch that show where we sit on the couch and like

49:36

review Netflix shows. And it was

49:38

day two of shooting that. We shoot like fucking 12 hour

49:40

days. And I was like, I was

49:43

like, I just, I want to

49:45

run out of here screaming. But it's

49:48

hard to have fun when you do because

49:50

that's just based on fun. Like natural response

49:52

to a TV show. Yeah. And

49:54

in drag, once I start to really feel the corset or once the

49:56

wig starts to hurt my stamina. producer

50:00

at Netflix could see it in my eyes and I was like, she

50:02

didn't even see it, I was like Jennifer how

50:04

many more clips do we have to watch you know? I

50:07

do get tired and dragged. I get

50:09

that because it's physically demanding. It is and like today

50:11

I get to do this interview and then I get

50:14

to get out of drag so I know I can

50:16

like be present and then I

50:18

can snatch this wig off and get in

50:21

the hot tub later. I really thank you

50:23

for doing that for us today. That's really

50:25

a really special thing and a really great

50:27

gift. I really appreciate it. That's really amazing.

50:29

I appreciate it. That's fucking incredible. Isn't that

50:31

great? The second most famous drag queen did

50:34

this for you. You

50:37

kind of are no? I mean I

50:40

don't know. Do people care about the power

50:42

rankings? I don't know. One time this one

50:44

magazine did a power ranking of the most

50:46

powerful drag queens in America and I'm just

50:48

like based on what? I know

50:51

these girls. Try

50:53

to go through TSA with one of them and tell me they're powerful.

50:55

You already like some of these drag

50:58

queens are such messes. I'm like

51:00

ain't none of us powerful. Okay ain't none of

51:02

us powerful. Do you know how little you have

51:04

to do in drag to be considered hardworking? Show

51:07

up. Show up on time and not like

51:09

slap somebody. If you

51:12

show up on time not drunk they're like are

51:14

you God? I mean

51:16

luckily I work in an industry where the bar

51:18

is consistently being lowered by like

51:21

that theater kid from your high school. Like

51:23

you know it's just it's creepy

51:25

crawlies. I mean the drag queens it's

51:27

a motley crew but it's

51:29

great because in a community of freaks

51:32

we really do all know each other

51:34

and kind of respect each other because

51:36

we all are doing something so stupid.

51:38

That's so hard. It seems like

51:40

you don't take it seriously at all but that's also

51:42

why you're so successful. Well you

51:44

know Katya really helps me with that because I will

51:46

get in circles where I'll like stress out and

51:49

Katya's like girl we're not putting splints

51:52

in people's hearts. We're not

51:54

curing diseases like it's drag.

51:56

It's cross-dressing. Like if you're

51:58

losing sleep over cross-dressing,

52:02

put on a pair of men's slacks, and go get a

52:04

job at FedEx Kinko. You know what I mean? Like, it's

52:06

not worth it. This is

52:08

supposed to be fun for everyone, including me. So

52:11

lately I've been trying to relax more because I started

52:14

to get really sick from being

52:16

so stressed out all the time. What were

52:18

you stressing out over? Everything.

52:21

Life, the renovating

52:23

the house, season two, I mean, it was hard,

52:25

the season was really hard to renovate. Touring,

52:28

the makeup company, the YouTube channel, I mean,

52:30

there's so much to keep up with sometimes.

52:33

You're everywhere. It can be crushing. And

52:35

then I started to get really bad inflammatory arthritis

52:37

from just the stress. So for a while

52:39

I was like, my knees, my

52:41

elbow, my jaw was locking up, all my

52:44

joints were just locking. And the doctors were

52:46

like, you just are

52:48

stressing yourself out. You're creating an

52:50

autoimmune response to nothing because

52:53

you're stressing yourself out to like a fight or

52:55

flight mode. Oh no. That's

52:57

when I started to be like, what are you doing? It's

53:00

a wig and panties and white

53:02

go-go boots for $40. It's

53:05

not that deep. And that's kind of my new

53:07

mantra is like, it's just not that deep. Was

53:10

this success rooted in like numbers

53:12

or money or not doing enough?

53:15

I don't know, that's the thing. You

53:17

stress yourself about like doing the best.

53:20

Totally. But what is that? What does that

53:23

mean? Make the most money? What does it mean?

53:25

Have the best show? Be the prettiest? What

53:27

does it mean? I guess for me,

53:29

I always wanna feel like, I

53:32

feel the best when I really delivered. I

53:34

get that. I have a lot

53:37

of similarities, right? Like this idea that like I

53:39

wanna, I don't know, I wanna

53:41

give that person the experience that they came

53:43

in wanting to have, right? That's totally it.

53:45

It's crippling though. It is, but once you

53:47

start worrying about it, you becoming capable of

53:49

giving that experience. Doing it, fuck yeah. So

53:52

you almost have to engage in

53:55

being disconnected from, you can't before you go on

53:57

stage be like, what if this doesn't go well?

54:00

You can't think that way because

54:02

then it's not gonna go well. It's like a weird mind

54:04

game Honestly lately the more fun

54:06

I try to have in dragon unless I care the

54:08

more happy I'm with what I'm doing It's

54:11

better It's very toxic as a

54:13

performer an artist or anything to

54:15

get too stressed out And what if it's not

54:17

good because what the fuck does good mean good

54:19

to who? It's

54:21

relative and it's ever jellying, right? I mean, of course

54:24

a fierce paycheck matters or like getting to do a

54:26

gig where you get to work with someone you love

54:28

is great Getting to travel to somewhere you

54:30

always wanted to go is great But walking

54:32

on stage feeling like you lived up

54:34

to the audience's expectations of laughing and

54:37

that feels better than everything You

54:40

just feel like you're flying. I mean the moments

54:42

you have on stage live or on camera It's

54:45

the best I'll feel all week. I live

54:47

for that shit Are you addicted

54:49

to it? No, I don't think

54:51

so. I mean we're gonna find out I'm taking a three-month

54:54

break. I don't know what's gonna happen to me I

54:56

think I'm gonna grow a beard. Really? I don't think

54:58

I can I'm gonna

55:00

glue one on like top model. Remember when that guy had to

55:02

wear fake beard I

55:05

don't know. I've I've only ever taken two weeks

55:07

off of drag and it's because my appendix exploded

55:10

So I've never tied a time off drag

55:12

ever What if what if after

55:14

three months you just don't miss it? You're like, oh, this is kind

55:16

of nice I thought about it. I thought about

55:18

it and I would just be done I

55:21

love being tricksy and without being ungrateful

55:24

Everything I ever imagined in my wildest dreams

55:26

could have ever happened to me has happened

55:28

already My wildest dreams

55:31

because again when I started doing drag There

55:34

was no Superstar drag queens. I

55:36

mean rude it was just rude And

55:38

so all of the things that have gotten to happen

55:40

are all so cool And if I ever

55:42

did want to quit I really want to be able to give myself

55:44

permission to do that Because the truth is I

55:47

can quit at any time this

55:50

in my mind of like You

55:52

you you could I could stop now. I could leave here today

55:54

and be done And

55:56

sometimes I'm like, yeah, so why don't I try to

55:58

enjoy what I'm doing the most? I can because I

56:00

could just quit. I understand that you've

56:03

done enough Yeah, or not in

56:05

that way of like I could allow

56:07

myself to get bored of it and

56:09

be bored of it and be done If I got sick of drag

56:11

I could just be sick of it and

56:13

be done and go do something else and that's okay

56:16

You know imagine if your last thing ever as

56:18

tricky with the Zach Sang show. Oh, thank God

56:20

my swan song I would start bringing all the

56:22

dirty laundry I start going through all my texts

56:24

and drag queens and that's what this bitch said

56:26

to me in February Or

56:28

you know I would start giving exact amounts of how much

56:30

I got paid for what just crazy shit Because

56:33

I mean this many years in drag. I know where the bodies

56:35

are buried with the drag queens I know

56:38

everyone's business. Oh, it's terrifying. Yeah Yeah,

56:48

it's the point of coming here oh Thank

56:51

you The Trixie Motel is waiting

56:53

for you on max link below. You got a

56:55

max deal you got a Netflix deal Yeah,

56:58

Amazon. What are you doing? I told you I just show

57:01

up early I just show up on time and their minds

57:03

are blown you know Amazon and who you're on my shit

57:05

list I Want a

57:07

cookie show I want um you know I

57:09

would love to do I would love to

57:12

do a show where because I love renovating

57:14

and I love owning my businesses And I love

57:16

helping businesses thrive you want to go in I

57:19

want to do a show where like Like

57:21

where I get to go to struggling gay bars

57:23

and help them revitalize their business Like

57:26

here's your problem with your drink program your staff needs to

57:28

clean up their shit The the layout of

57:30

the bar doesn't make sense you don't have the right sound

57:32

package a lot of these gay bars are closing Left and

57:34

right I think a lot of them just need a little

57:37

They need a little tweak yeah And

57:39

they get that spotlight of like they

57:42

get to be on TV and everybody goes to the

57:44

bar You should do that wouldn't that be great. I

57:46

love that show because with gay bars We're obviously talking

57:48

about small businesses, but we're talking about Basically

57:51

town halls of the gay community pillars

57:53

were community it matters that these spaces

57:55

stay open But they have to be

57:58

financially viable to stay open So

58:00

it sucks when gay bars close, but when gay

58:02

bars close It's because they weren't making money and

58:04

I would love to make sure that the bars that want to stay open

58:07

Can make as much money as they want. That's

58:09

like bar rescue. Yeah, yeah, they're gay bar number

58:11

one Imagine being like a pink ambulance. Oh so

58:13

good going up to these bars. I mean

58:15

like let's get fucking busy Have you pitched it? No,

58:18

this is me pitching it Wait,

58:21

it's like I want a huge program. Do you want to come

58:23

on? Do you want to sell this Amazon? Thank you Amazon. Did

58:25

they are they in the right video? I mean, they're all your

58:28

Always in the room video come on

58:30

prime video. I know it's all

58:32

about fallout right now. Okay, I understand It's all

58:35

about yellow is yellow jacket the prime. No But

58:39

would you like me to yell at gay people on

58:41

your screen? I think I could really

58:43

help people because I have to say I've performed at every gay

58:45

bar on the planet at this point Oh, yeah,

58:48

you know them. Yes, and now when I go to gay

58:50

bars, I'm like, oh, I like this drink Oh that stage

58:52

should be over there. Oh, that's a weird outfit there You

58:54

know, like I do pay attention to what I think I'm

58:56

a know-it-all You might have worked at the

58:58

makeup counters when I was selling makeup when products came out

59:00

I'd be like I like it. I would have named it

59:03

this I don't like the scent and I think the price

59:05

is too high like I always had my version of how

59:07

things should play out You know

59:09

business wise you're incredibly

59:11

smart. Oh, thank you. You're a

59:13

really special person. Thank you. Wow. Thank

59:15

you No, you're fucking cool. Thank you. I

59:17

want to watch your bar rescue 9-1-1. Wouldn't

59:19

that be great? Would you be a guest? I

59:22

would literally give a limb and I'll yeah

59:25

Well Wayne New Jersey right outside of Manhattan,

59:27

okay, let's go to the gay bar in

59:30

Wayne, New Jersey There's gay bars over there.

59:32

We'll find nothing. Yeah, they're around Honestly,

59:35

I think every community really is a gay bar.

59:37

Maybe not my town town, but that that County

59:39

that area Yeah, there's if they don't

59:41

have a gay bar. I think like the Apple

59:43

Store will do yeah anywhere gay people will go

59:45

Sephora Apple Store day crew, you know, like the

59:47

gap go there and start, you know Make

59:51

it bark in orders. This drink is

59:53

not very strong. They're like that's this isn't a

59:55

bar. Oh Trixie

59:57

motel drag me home. It's waiting for you on Mac

1:00:00

Link below. Code on the

1:00:02

screen. Final thoughts? Yeah, I know it

1:00:04

was about a year ago, but you

1:00:06

did stagecoach, right? I sure did. I've

1:00:08

had 45 careers. Because before I

1:00:10

DJed, I used to sing folk music and play my guitar. And

1:00:12

where did that go? Are we still writing

1:00:14

originals? Yeah, I've done like three or

1:00:16

four records, and right now I wrote a bunch of

1:00:19

music last year, but I just love DJing right now.

1:00:21

So I wrote a few dozen songs last year, and

1:00:24

I just kind of shelved them all. And right

1:00:26

now I'm in the process of just giving them to other bands and

1:00:28

letting them sing them. I'm not like... Wait, what? You're

1:00:31

selling songs? Yeah, I just have been writing them and sending

1:00:33

them to singers I like and be like, do you want

1:00:35

this? Who are you sending them to? I know your friends

1:00:37

with Britney Brodsky. Oh, she is a great singer. She's

1:00:40

one of my... She's my favorite artist that nobody's

1:00:42

heard. Yeah, she's a great singer. Her

1:00:45

originals are so... I want to flip a table. She's

1:00:47

bomb. Has she been on the show?

1:00:49

Yeah, she's amazing. She's so funny. She's

1:00:52

on the same level mental illness as me. She and

1:00:54

I are like raised. Oh. Yeah.

1:00:57

I can do that. I feel like we both started

1:00:59

speaking a language. Not only was it the same

1:01:01

language, but we'd never spoken it until that

1:01:03

moment. It was like twin behavior. Because,

1:01:06

you know, we're both, you know, tall

1:01:08

bald women. So, you know. And

1:01:11

I can say that she's my friend. I

1:01:13

feel bad because she always says such nice things about me and then

1:01:16

I go places and we just... Because she

1:01:18

and I just rip into each other. That's all we do is just shit

1:01:20

on each other. That's

1:01:22

how you know you really love someone. She's the quickest,

1:01:24

funniest person I think I've ever come in contact with.

1:01:26

She's so beautiful. She's

1:01:28

so funny. That bitch's mind is she's so

1:01:30

funny. Her laugh makes everyone in the room

1:01:32

laugh. She's an awesome hair and makeup

1:01:34

artist. She's really gifted. I think...

1:01:37

I honestly think with her we're in the

1:01:39

beginning of someone's like huge. We're

1:01:41

still in the beginning of like, I think she could

1:01:43

be fucking Oprah. No, I agree. Like she's awesome. I

1:01:46

honestly couldn't agree more. And she's also

1:01:49

compassionate. She can make you laugh, but

1:01:51

she loves talking about serious shit and her

1:01:53

convictions about like... Also, just

1:01:55

watching her be obsessed with one male celebrity

1:01:57

at a time is great. Her

1:02:00

addiction made me very happy. When she

1:02:02

met like... Her style. Her style just

1:02:04

cried. Love that shit. I loved when she was

1:02:06

like into masked men for a while. Oh

1:02:09

yeah. She had a thing for that. I love her. I

1:02:11

really do love her. She's really awesome. She's on

1:02:13

Trixie Motel season two. Really? Yes

1:02:16

she is. We have great guest stars, Lisa

1:02:18

Vanderpump, we have Orville Peck, we have... Orville

1:02:20

Peck's another icon. He is. He

1:02:23

is. He and I are very close. Really talented. Never

1:02:25

been on the show, but really gifted. You should

1:02:27

have him on. He's kind of an honorary drag

1:02:29

queen. He hides in a costume.

1:02:32

I will just say this about Orville. His

1:02:35

character on stage is very like,

1:02:37

well hello, I'm Orville Peck. Backstage,

1:02:40

Daffaget can

1:02:43

run with the best of the drag queens. He is

1:02:45

just such a... He's

1:02:48

so a drag queen. He is. He

1:02:50

is such a drag queen behind the scenes

1:02:52

and it's awesome. I just remember seeing him

1:02:54

show up to places in the hat and

1:02:57

mask years ago before and like not know

1:02:59

anything. I just remember one year, like years

1:03:01

ago at Coachella just watching him walk around

1:03:03

and like, he was marketing yet nobody knew

1:03:06

yet. He

1:03:09

was really wild. He's so big now.

1:03:11

It's crazy. It's awesome. It's

1:03:14

really cool. Him, Britney, I mean everybody, all my

1:03:16

friends are blowing up. Real

1:03:18

Recognize is real. Yeah, everyone. Everyone. Everyone's

1:03:21

huge. But no, it's great. I mean Orville

1:03:23

especially. I remember hearing his first album Pony and being like, I love

1:03:25

this. And then it seemed like in the

1:03:28

blink of an eye, he was like everywhere. I mean, it's

1:03:30

great. You are the company

1:03:32

you keep, so. Yeah. You

1:03:34

keep good ones. Thank you. Are you going to

1:03:36

watch the new season of Trixie Mattel? You should. It's

1:03:39

on Max. Link below. Final thoughts? No,

1:03:41

I loved every minute of this. This was so

1:03:43

fun. Thank you. Thank

1:03:45

you. You're amazing. Thanks, kids. Trixie

1:03:49

Mattel, everybody. It's the Zach Sang Show. It's

1:03:52

the Zach Sang Show.