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Wallows as like one Wallows, right?

1:02

Like, is it used as like, I can

1:04

Wallow about something? What's

1:06

it? I mean, if however

1:08

you, however you like to interpret

1:10

it works for us. Is that how it's meant

1:12

to be used? Well,

1:15

how do you, is it a thing? Is it a feeling?

1:17

What is it? Can you define it for me?

1:19

Yeah. So it's actually, it's actually a place

1:21

in Hawaii. It's a skate spot called Wallows

1:23

that was like from the video game, Tony

1:25

X underground. And it's a real place in

1:28

Hawaii, but I, that's where I discovered the

1:30

name. You guys are such millennials. Yes. And

1:33

then, um, I just think, yeah, Wallows, I

1:35

think it's cool to find a band name that like, it

1:38

turns into just what it is. Like, you

1:40

know, like it's just, Wallows is just our

1:42

band. We don't really want it to necessarily

1:45

mean anything other than that. If that makes sense. I

1:47

love that it comes from Tony Hawk video game.

1:49

Yeah. My second thing is when

1:51

we first met Dylan in person, the

1:54

way you remembered me was the interview that was really

1:56

fucking long. That's what I

1:58

said. Yes. It's true. Yeah,

2:01

we talk for probably too long. I love

2:03

getting into it. It's good.

2:05

It's vital. And yeah, you guys have created something

2:08

That's really special and the music's great and you've

2:10

grown consistently like the fan base has really done

2:12

something over the last few years But this what

2:15

I've been able to enjoy this album. It's

2:17

it's really something. Can we

2:20

like talk about it? Yeah, I think we can What

2:23

is perfection genuinely mean to you? Like really what

2:25

does it mean to be perfect? I

2:29

cool Yeah,

2:33

I mean Gosh

2:36

perfection. I don't I don't think it's

2:38

like a real thing Right.

2:41

Like I don't think anything can be absolutely

2:44

Perfect outside of say like

2:46

super you like except for me outside

2:48

of like math and you know Like there's there's

2:50

like a there's like a theoretical version of it,

2:52

but I don't I don't think anything is um

2:56

Is ever actually perfect. Hmm,

2:58

right? Yeah,

3:00

for me. I feel like perfectionism

3:02

in art that we make like

3:07

As long as we're as long as we feel like we're

3:09

getting better and we feel like

3:11

we're getting more impressed by what we make And

3:13

it's getting cooler to me That's that's as perfect

3:15

as I can get like as long

3:17

as we're liking whatever we've currently made more than what

3:19

we made before That's perfect And

3:21

that is true to the way you guys

3:24

recorded and captured this entire album right like

3:26

a lot of this at least from my

3:28

understanding Like it feels though. It was done

3:30

in almost like one take but there is

3:32

imperfections to imperfection, right? Like there's yeah,

3:35

like Explain

3:37

the process behind this compared to everything else you

3:39

put out because it's called model which You

3:42

know a model is perfect or at least

3:44

what society deems is perfect. Whoever is casting

3:46

that person deems is perfect um

3:50

I just What did it really take

3:52

to capture every song because did you do it in one take

3:54

was it done in this? How is

3:56

it done? Like were you in a so just set the scene?

4:01

Well, we had

4:03

this issue of like, when there's three of

4:05

us answering, who wants to see whose mouth

4:07

is open first? It

4:09

wasn't all done in one take, but

4:12

the way it started was, every

4:15

song started with Cole on drums and I just played

4:17

bass and Ray was doing guitar. And

4:19

so the main bass of the drums bass,

4:21

the bassist of the drums bass and guitar,

4:24

that's how every song started. So

4:26

it started in a very just like,

4:28

kind of raw, very

4:31

naturally performed kind of way. And

4:35

the approach I wanted to take to this album, after

4:37

that we would track things on top of

4:39

it, like extra guitars, synths and whatever vocals,

4:42

but we

4:44

wanted to keep it as, we wanted to keep

4:46

it to the bare minimum of tracks. I feel

4:48

like we've gone balls to the wall with tracks

4:51

before, like kitchen sink kind of mode,

4:53

but for this, I think we wanted

4:55

it to all sound more precise and

4:59

every part to be very deliberate. And we felt

5:01

like the mixes of these songs would sound a

5:03

lot bigger and better the less there was going

5:05

on because I think the best mixes are

5:07

the ones that have the least amount of things going on in music,

5:09

like the best songs, like the best sounding ones. So

5:12

we'd really try to do that as much as possible on this.

5:14

So yeah, like, so

5:16

not one take, but very much

5:18

so like not overthought and

5:21

just only tracking that we thought

5:23

was really necessary would actually add to the song to keep

5:26

it as, you know, make

5:28

it sound as much of like a band

5:30

playing as possible, really. Who's doing what in

5:32

the room? That said, if

5:34

I know what you're playing, but like, I mean, are

5:36

you writing as you go? Like what are you coming

5:38

in with ideas? Yeah,

5:41

usually we have some

5:43

demos that we have and we'll have,

5:45

I don't know, like 20 ideas or

5:47

something for this album. We had like

5:49

20 demos that we did

5:52

at Cole's apartment. But

5:54

we do write in the room as well. Like usually writing

5:57

in the room happens when I feel like there's an idea

5:59

that hasn't like reached his full potential yet.

6:01

There's a song called You on the album

6:04

and we had maybe like 80% of it but that 80% was

6:06

100% of it when we went, if that makes sense. We had

6:11

100% of the song but in my mind I was like, eh,

6:13

it feels like 80%. So then sometimes

6:16

going to the studio sparks this extra

6:18

gear and you kind of go off

6:20

and then that's where the second

6:23

verse kind of changes. If people that hear the

6:25

song will hear, there's a different guitar and different

6:27

arrangement and that

6:30

was just in the studio because I felt like it

6:32

wasn't finished even though it

6:34

was but it wasn't. So yeah. Yeah

6:36

and it's funny, I wanted to

6:39

make a deliberate decision because

6:41

normally we're going to the studio and we'll not have

6:43

all the lyrics finished yet. We'll kind of finish them.

6:45

I write

6:47

best under pressure and that's kind of what makes

6:49

the most honest thoughts come out of me when

6:52

I'm writing. When I finish lyrics right before I

6:54

sing in the vocal booth but before

6:56

this and I was like, no, I want to go into the studio with every

6:58

word written. I don't want to deal with that this time. I want to do

7:00

it differently and then, no, I'll finish all

7:02

the lyrics in the studio again. So we were

7:05

really writing in real time. So I'd sort of

7:07

be like, I know I got to sing this song next. Cole

7:11

and Brayden, you guys track some stuff on this song. I'm

7:13

going to go write and I'm going to come listen to

7:15

what you guys tracked and then I'll be ready to sing

7:17

this song. So it was very like, because we were only

7:20

in the studio really for like two months solid.

7:22

That was it and we recorded like

7:24

27 different recordings around there

7:26

and we've never ever ever recorded that much

7:28

before. So it was a lot going on

7:31

in the studio at all times like, you

7:33

know, not spend too much time on

7:35

a song, set it down, move on

7:38

to the next one, set it down, move on and then

7:40

revisit and it helped us just sort of keep a very,

7:43

not overthought, very like

7:45

natural approach to the songs. But so

7:47

yeah, there was a lot of writing and stuff in real

7:50

time and I think it was

7:52

kind of good. We overloaded ourselves to not overthink

7:54

things, but also is a blessing

7:56

and a curse. I feel because

7:59

having all of that. material I think

8:01

was hard for other people to wrap their heads around

8:03

like what people on our team and things like

8:05

that cuz they're sending them all these unfinished things and it's hard for

8:08

them to see the vision and there's so much they're downloading in their

8:10

brain but for us we knew the big picture

8:12

and everything in the process

8:14

but yeah we kind of I

8:16

feel like we just like seared off the road a bit

8:18

with the question but back to the model thing because like

8:23

that's sort of what helped influence this title

8:26

for the record because it's like

8:28

you know this this a model is like yeah

8:31

like you said a perfect representation of something right

8:34

and we felt this sort of pressure

8:36

at times recording because we knew what we

8:39

what this album could end up being in the end when

8:41

it's all finished but like when you have so much stuff

8:43

they're recording it's hard for the people to see that I

8:46

feel and like it's like yeah this perfect model

8:48

of this album by this perfect model of

8:50

this band and this you know whatever sort

8:52

of that's sort of a loose interpretation of

8:54

the title for us it's sort of ironic

8:57

when does that title present itself and like does

9:01

it come halfway through do you know what you're gonna

9:03

name this thing and where you want to go with

9:05

the songs you're crafting before you even enter the studio

9:07

I think

9:10

unique to this project

9:12

like in terms of the title it

9:14

the title happened like you brought that

9:17

to our attention like way later mm-hmm

9:19

like we were pretty much done we

9:21

were like in the mixing phase of the record when we

9:24

were like we like wait what do

9:27

we call the album basically and we had

9:29

ideas but like

9:31

I think the entire time we were all like

9:33

these ideas don't like they're just not strong

9:35

like they just felt sort of weak they felt old kind

9:37

of tired to us and

9:40

yeah you say the word model in the album well

9:43

that's the thing is like our other two

9:45

album titles have been taken from a lyric

9:48

in the album somewhere and because we

9:50

had so many songs I mean knew we were gonna

9:52

trim it down we didn't know necessarily what songs were

9:55

100% gonna be on the album yet so we were

9:57

kind of waiting to have more of an

9:59

idea of what the album was was before choosing a title.

10:01

And so once we started to know more, that's when it presented

10:03

itself. But that's why it took a little bit longer this time,

10:06

because we'll figure it out near the end of completion, I guess.

10:08

So what story did you end up telling with this album as

10:10

a whole? Like if I was to listen to the whole thing,

10:12

which I haven't been able to. What

10:14

story am I walking away with? Or is each

10:16

song really its standalone thing? It's

10:21

tough to say. Tough one to say. I don't know. I

10:24

do think each song is a standalone thing,

10:27

for the most part. But oh, god. Yeah.

10:31

I don't know if there's a story it tells. I

10:33

don't know if there's a story it tells or an

10:35

answer you're going to walk away with narratively or thematically,

10:39

per se, completely. But I do think

10:41

that what you might walk away with, for me, and

10:46

what I hope you walk away with, is that we sound tighter and more confident

10:48

and more enjoyable

10:52

than ever. And I think it's

10:54

our most listenable album that

10:56

we've made so far. It's easy to put on,

10:58

I think, and kind of flies by. I

11:01

agree. By the way, I haven't listened to the whole thing, but

11:03

I was listening to the singles a bunch. It really is so easy to just cruise

11:05

to. It's great. Yeah. The music's amazing.

11:07

And the music is great. By the way, the band

11:09

hangs, and each song hangs itself, and

11:12

really relies mostly on your musicianship in addition to

11:15

your vocals. And you guys sound great. It

11:17

sounds great. Thank you. Thank you.

11:19

Thank you. Thank you. It's really funny

11:21

that you say that, because when we were talking about the process and

11:23

stuff, I was

11:25

thinking in my head, I feel like

11:28

we are the kinds of people and

11:30

musicians who are really passionate

11:33

about music. We all love being fans of music

11:35

and listen to a lot of it. And

11:38

I feel like we understand why bands are cool, and

11:41

we understand what we like, and we know a lot

11:44

of music. Right? But then when it comes to

11:46

actually playing instruments, sort

11:48

of, well, I feel like that's where, like, I

11:50

think we're good enough. Like, obviously, we recorded the record,

11:52

and we played everything, and it's all us. But

11:55

there's so many instances where, like, we're just

11:57

like, we're good enough to play. We're

12:00

trying to do a piano and we're taking like

12:02

30 takes to get it right or like we're

12:04

splitting the piano cords into two Separate things and

12:06

then fusing them because I can't I can't play

12:08

the parts right, you know It's

12:10

just funny how like we're just like these we're

12:13

like hacking it together in a way I love

12:15

some of you said racing you're like my dumbass

12:17

was playing Madison Square Garden. Yeah Yeah,

12:21

I was playing this I play this like in

12:23

this tennis league with like like true randos in

12:25

LA I just go and like compete against people

12:27

of course and then like, you know Naturally you

12:30

start talking about what you do and then someone's like, yeah, like what

12:32

you playing a band Like where you guys playing in LA and I was

12:34

like, well We're

12:36

playing at the forum Like

12:41

the forum like I'm like, yeah, it's like really

12:44

weird like well, yeah, it's like yeah it's

12:48

imagining us in this position that we're in

12:50

we're just we're very lucky because I We're

12:53

not I don't know how to

12:55

say that we're not exactly like average. We're

12:58

kind of average Joe It's

13:01

just it's just funny that even there's something to say

13:03

about the fact that you've been playing together for a

13:05

very long time Right. So whether you're a great musician

13:07

stand alone. It doesn't matter together

13:09

you guys do being very humble He's an

13:11

amazing musician. Yeah, sure. Thank you. Cole's a fantastic

13:15

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do you start record? Though like does it start

14:01

with something in life? Does it start with you

14:03

sitting down like pushing yourself to just imagine something?

14:07

My eyes are so help Leave

14:12

the AI Model

14:14

wallows Yeah,

14:17

how does it work so like I mean oh God,

14:20

yeah, it's usually

14:23

just oh my goodness. Okay.

14:25

It's about having ideas And

14:30

after you have these ideas

14:32

you come together in a room and

14:34

you make a song Make

14:36

an album. No, it is about Don't

14:49

know what starts a record that's God Some

14:52

people make that case though, I'm not universe whatever you

14:54

want to call It's not

14:56

it's not our answer. It's not an honor. It's it's like

14:58

no way. Yeah, like It honestly

15:00

is like a having a time today by the

15:03

way. I really haven't Oh,

15:06

I had a little bit in the green room the

15:08

the nice people out there maybe a

15:10

coffee and there's it was carbonated What

15:13

does that happen ever to you guys? It

15:15

was I tried it I tried it I was

15:17

like wait am I like losing no I think

15:19

he did it my reality Please carbonated it was

15:22

carbonated coffee. Did you ask for a nitro? No?

15:24

I just did you guys have cold brew like

15:26

with oat milk Oh, yeah, I chair thing. I

15:28

have a theory. I have a different theory I

15:30

think I think he asked for a cold brew

15:32

they might not have cold brews that he made

15:34

him a nice Americano But they actually put sparkling

15:36

water Oh my senses

15:38

were just lovely definitely nitro is

15:41

just frothy mmm, right? That's what

15:43

sweet yeah Anyway anyway, oh,

15:45

that's not good. No, it's all good. They're like

15:51

Great it was fantastic God No,

15:54

yeah, the albums. Yeah, just always

15:57

being inspired. Oh god I

16:00

feel like I feel like it really is

16:02

sort of I feel like it

16:04

does come down to our decision of when we're ready to do an

16:06

album, right? That makes sense. That's what I wanted to say. That's all

16:08

trying to say. Yeah, it's uh, I feel

16:11

like it's it's sort of That's

16:14

a really good question Why

16:16

do we how and why do we decide like it's album

16:18

time like when does that happen? Mm-hmm It's sort of like

16:20

we get off the road and we just look ahead and

16:23

we're like I think this is gonna be the time period

16:25

Which we want to record an album and

16:27

we just make sure that beforehand we like are ready

16:29

to do So I mean you have to also convince

16:32

your label at demos to show the of stuff. They're gonna

16:34

go record So

16:36

we just make sure we have like a good batch of

16:38

song ideas to show we're probably gonna approach a majority of

16:40

these songs and And

16:43

we knew we had a ton of existing ideas and

16:45

demos that we had That we liked

16:47

a lot but we do demos on your own. Are

16:49

you always working as a unit? Yeah,

16:57

I think every demo sees sees the

16:59

unit in some way, you know what

17:01

I mean? it's like it'll start with one of us and

17:04

then we we come together and we

17:07

Have our ideas right call is the most

17:09

proper setup. He has the most demo room

17:11

proper is proper. Yeah Yeah, he works with

17:13

Abbey Road And

17:16

then I usually just have my voice memos and like

17:18

make ideas and my old laptop computer I Make

17:22

some stuff too, but coals the main one that we go to and

17:24

try to make the demos and

17:26

Dylan you're just right You

17:35

just go to the studio and work under pressure Correct.

17:38

I'd wait. I wait till last we're prepared

17:40

and he yeah, I mean

17:42

running around I'm joking. I feel like Like

17:45

the lyrics and everything that's the hardest

17:47

part. I mean it is that's the hardest

17:49

part because that's the part where you're

17:51

actually like like music and

17:54

instrumental whatever like the music part of it can

17:56

certainly make you feel something and evoke whatever but

18:00

Lyrics is where you actually say what you're trying to

18:02

say. So I

18:04

think, yes, you work well under pressure. And it's

18:06

also just like, for this record

18:08

specifically, I was just impressed with how much the

18:11

amount of volume of words that

18:13

you guys put together, it's a

18:16

massive undertaking. I think that's an underrated

18:19

aspect of being in

18:21

a band or writing songs is having to, it's

18:23

not a chore, but you have to say

18:25

a lot of words. The word count is

18:27

so high on, you know? Yeah. Or it

18:30

can be. Yeah, I definitely think we're

18:32

a band that the music and melodies are way easier

18:34

and lyrics are a little more tricky.

18:36

And maybe there's some artists out there like Bob

18:38

Dylan or something that lyrics are easier and music,

18:40

I don't know. But we definitely

18:42

work better with music. You're writing

18:44

to something that's already like, you

18:48

have music. You're not coming to them going,

18:50

I have this lyric idea. No,

18:52

it's like, I have to write a line to

18:54

this melody that goes, you

18:57

know, it's like the mumbo jumbo fit it in kind

18:59

of thing. Yeah, that was an actual

19:01

melody from the album. But

19:04

yeah, it's like every demo will start with kind of

19:06

just like a gibberish line

19:08

like that. Or I'll say a line that

19:11

sticks out to me, and then I'll go, oh,

19:13

I want to base something around that line because that's a

19:15

good line. Or that word works there, or that rhyme scheme

19:17

works. And then that's what makes it hard, because

19:20

then you get married to how it sounds. So

19:22

you really try to fit in words to how that sounds to you.

19:24

And you have to let go sometimes, and maybe

19:26

it could be ooh instead of a. Which

19:29

sounds weird. It sounds wrong sometimes, because

19:31

you get used to how the gibberish

19:33

vowel sounds are. Yeah, and

19:35

that's why a lot of the time our demos and

19:37

our ideas won't get made for a long time, because we

19:39

can't quite bring it home yet with words or whatever

19:41

it might be. But a lot of the songs that ended

19:43

up on this record, or at least ones that we

19:45

recorded, are ones that have existed for a while, that

19:49

we finally were able to bring home and make

19:51

it work. Do you look back at those songs that are

19:53

finally finished and then realize what you were actually writing about?

19:55

Or do you know in the process the story you're telling?

19:57

Because regardless of if that's the intention or not.

20:00

There's a story in every song there is yeah,

20:02

there's always an intention once I approach lyrics like

20:04

it's gonna be about this but

20:07

Sometimes like that one line I said in that gibberish

20:09

in the demo is what creates what the song will

20:12

be about That makes sense like oh that line is

20:14

interesting That makes sense to

20:16

me in this way. I'll write about this you know, but I was

20:18

making sure from an honest place though So

20:20

I always make sure it means something to me, but Yeah,

20:25

was there a song on this album? That was the trickiest to

20:27

write or just like stumped you guys You just couldn't figure it

20:29

out Hmm. It's

20:31

a great question We've

20:33

had the song bad dream. We've had versions of that

20:35

song for a long time like probably maybe five years

20:38

now that song

20:41

We have like approach for it at different time periods

20:43

It was originally gonna be a single and then

20:45

it was like maybe gonna there was

20:47

so many different We even tried on our last album and it just

20:50

I think we kept the way it started We

20:53

started writing it was sort of like 90s

20:56

boy band ish and then like we were

20:58

trying to fight that like impulse and then

21:01

we realized that like This

21:04

song is a pop song like let's just treat it as

21:06

such and so we finally We

21:08

tried a lot of different routes and we ended up at

21:10

this route kind of it's most similar to what it started

21:13

out as And that's just what it was always meant made

21:15

to be really But

21:17

I'd say that one took the long as maybe

21:19

taking the longest time But

21:21

although it's been fully written for a while though

21:24

wasn't the writing it was there like it was

21:26

what it needed to be sonically and like

21:29

what its Identity is really

21:32

what's the biggest difference to what

21:34

what could have been on the last album to what? I

21:38

mean the one on the last record.

21:40

I mean I still I still think it's

21:42

a really cool idea. I think like Us

21:46

and Arielle who produced our second record ariel

21:48

brekcheid We for

21:50

some reason decided to go like a

21:53

black Sabbath kind of way about it

21:56

Which is really cool and like certainly would

21:58

have been something different for us us. But

22:02

I think it was just a bit

22:04

too far outside the wheelhouse of what

22:06

Wallace is, right? Yeah, it's funny. There

22:08

was probably a thousand drum fills in

22:10

Ariel's version and there's like one drum fill. Yeah,

22:12

we were like, yeah, just do the same thing.

22:15

The other one was doo doo doo doo doo.

22:17

It was like crazy. And

22:20

then we tried another version for this album that

22:22

was like, in my mind, it was like Tranquility

22:24

bass, Arctic Monkeys, mixed with AM, Arctic Monkeys, was

22:26

like the other version of Bad Dream that we...

22:29

There's two versions on this album. There's two versions on

22:31

this album too we made. It's like really riffy and

22:33

huge and whatever. And that version might see the light

22:35

of day at some point. But

22:39

yeah, Bad Dream actually was one that was tough

22:41

to crack the code. Yeah, we even re-recorded it.

22:43

And the re-recording is what's on the album. Yeah,

22:45

we might be recorded for every album. See

22:49

if we can... Isn't there something to that? Like

22:51

a sign of a good song is a song

22:53

that can really be... Like really, the lyrics can

22:55

just be applied to so many different styles. Yeah,

22:58

they say that about like campfire song. Yeah, you can

23:00

subtract it to acoustic and melody, then it's a good

23:02

song. And you know, I guess that is... That there

23:04

is something to that. I do think there's something to

23:06

that. And then I think there's also something not to

23:09

that. For people that just

23:11

make like some crazy instrumentals, that's beautiful,

23:13

of course, whatever. Like I've ever heard,

23:16

like Mozart singing by any... I'm

23:18

just kidding, I'm going. Honestly,

23:21

those melodies would be beautiful though. But I can't...

23:23

They would be. They are beautiful. Yeah, what am

23:25

I saying? Anyway,

23:29

going cool. You're

23:32

making Dan laugh, Dan. That's a laugh and a laugh. I'm

23:35

happy to make you laugh. I like it, I'm enjoying it. Dan's

23:39

very rarely sitting there happy. Oh,

23:43

that's a good time. It's just like a lot of Ramblers, I'm

23:45

enjoying it when it's coming out. A lot of Ramblers, kind of,

23:47

everything. Totally

23:50

random, but can you tell me, is

23:52

there any intention behind the spacing and

23:54

model? Ooh. No

23:57

one's asked for this yet. No one has asked. I've

23:59

seen a lot of... Theories a lot of like fan theories

24:01

that I like mean something and I'm trying to

24:04

crack the code. Yeah, modio. She was a modio

24:07

Maybe we let them keep guessing. I Mean,

24:10

I'm not even sure I know the reason There's

24:13

no reason I think like the ultimate puzzle

24:15

think the real the honest answer to

24:17

that is It

24:19

was it was like this The sort

24:21

of loose concept of the album art that we're doing at Aiden's

24:24

and Miri who like took all the photos for our work was

24:26

like Things that are

24:28

imperfect or things that are like almost perfect But

24:30

have a slight little like tragedy to make it

24:32

so bad kind of thing. It's like sort of

24:34

just random It's not really how

24:36

that looks on our what ended up We ended up making

24:39

but that was like sort of what we're talking about and

24:41

I don't know It's just like we had these ideas and

24:43

maybe like Misprints

24:45

intentional misprints of the vinyls of like photos actually lingering

24:47

on to the like the back photo lingering on to

24:49

the front The front layer on the back like things

24:51

like that We didn't fully do that but like it

24:54

was sort of like the wallows model thing It's just

24:56

kind of like just fucked

24:58

up spacing really just to add

25:00

to like the imperfection of it Really, that's kind

25:02

of the real purpose Yeah But

25:04

does that mission start at the beginning of

25:06

this process or present itself in the middle

25:08

of it, right? Like this idea that like

25:10

you're going to present and portray These

25:14

almost perfect situations and really try to show

25:16

the beauty in Imperfection that started

25:18

literally bottom of the ninth like that was the

25:20

last thing get ready for this one then This

25:24

is bottom of the ninth Yeah

25:29

No, we basically had another we had other

25:32

album titles that literally we thought the album's

25:34

gonna be called until the last second and

25:36

then I think Dylan right

25:39

before we even got Like

25:43

ideas for album covers just said what we called

25:45

model and he had this reason for it and

25:47

we applied a meaning to it behind like all

25:49

the Songs

25:51

we had and like what we were trying to because there was a version

25:53

of the album I was like 18 songs at one point. So we were

25:56

like we can't We

25:58

tried but we were like now And

26:00

then I think once we landed on Model,

26:03

kind of found these meanings behind it,

26:05

it was really easy to talk

26:07

with Aiden about how to collab for the

26:09

album cover and the meaning behind it. Because

26:12

we actually had scheduled a meeting with Aiden

26:14

or a talk with him before we even

26:16

landed on Model. So that would have been

26:18

a totally different album concept and creative direction

26:20

if we gave him another title, which was

26:22

maybe going to be like, let's just say,

26:24

Anytime Always, people know that that

26:26

was a working title. Like it's a title track on the

26:28

album and we didn't really want that, but we

26:31

were happy like, quote unquote, calling

26:34

it Anytime Always. But

26:36

that would have changed Aiden's whole direction and our

26:39

direction. So I think Model was

26:41

just a last second thing that finally clicked on

26:43

what this album can mean. And

26:45

to be honest, when you asked earlier, what do you

26:47

want to take away from this album? I think what you

26:49

what we're saying right now is like, I want you, I

26:51

want you, I want people to take

26:54

away this is like a model

26:57

of all the shite that we did. Yeah,

27:02

cool. Anyway,

27:08

I think it's interesting because there is a deeper

27:10

meaning and there seems to be a deeper mission

27:12

regardless of like when it presented itself. But it

27:14

is something that like people should know. And like

27:16

it is a relevant conversation of, you know, there

27:18

is a natural pursuit for perfection.

27:21

I think that leads people down really unhealthy

27:23

rabbit holes that can like really fuck up

27:26

their life and fog up their

27:28

vision and distract them from

27:30

their own potential. Yeah, I could add

27:32

model answers today, but I'm

27:36

glad you the most unmodeled interview

27:38

of my life. It's better this

27:40

way. It's special. It's perfection. By

27:44

the way, in being exactly

27:47

who you are, that is perfect, right? That

27:50

is the truth. You

27:52

guys too. You're perfect, bro. Thank

27:54

you. You guys are perfect as well. What was the process of

27:56

taking from like 20 something songs down to the 18 song version

27:58

now down to 12? That's a

28:00

great question. Still

28:02

on? I'm looking at the video. I

28:08

mean, it was the longest process we've had,

28:10

narrowing down a track list. We've never really

28:12

had, we've never had this much material. We've

28:14

never had this difficult of a time, because

28:16

the first, for Nothing Happens, our first album,

28:18

we, it's an 11 song album,

28:21

we recorded 15 songs. Yep. And

28:23

it was pretty easy to narrow it down.

28:26

We had a real vision for that, like how it

28:28

was going to start and end and all the

28:30

things. Our second album, Tell Me That It's Over,

28:32

we only had 10 songs finished. Obviously those are

28:35

the 10s. And a flow is very easy for

28:37

us to make, so it was very obvious. Tracklist

28:39

was very quick. It was like, this is obviously

28:41

what it needs to be. There's no other flow this could be. For

28:45

this, it was like, we could literally have 15 different

28:48

versions of this album that all make sense in

28:50

themselves, and what it could be. And

28:53

the original approach that we had to this album was to

28:55

make, like, we didn't want to repeat an

28:57

amount of tracks that we've done before. We knew it wouldn't be

28:59

11 or 10. So like

29:01

12, like 12 songs, no skips,

29:03

quick, easy, light listen, most

29:06

listenable Wallace album yet. Super,

29:08

like, hopefully, like, addicting, like, that kind of

29:10

thing. That was like the original approach. Because

29:14

some of that is over as sort of like these

29:16

10 projects or something, it felt like, and it was

29:18

very, like, challenging at times.

29:23

Whatever, like, I love that album. It was definitely like

29:25

a different album from this. But

29:27

then when we recorded all these songs, we were falling in love with more

29:29

songs, we were like, well, there's no way it could be, like,

29:32

we were, in our minds, like, well, there's no way it could be any

29:34

less than at least 14 songs. Because

29:36

we were like, there's so many good ones. That's

29:41

no bad ever. But then,

29:43

you know, you get

29:45

so attached to these things, and you start to be like, how

29:47

could we lose this one? And then we're

29:49

like, well, do we commit and just go, like, our

29:52

fans would love it. Should we

29:54

just go, oh, like, you know, these clashes,

29:56

their albums, London Calling, which is 18 songs, 19.

30:01

You know, just go that approach and you know people

30:03

are putting out 20 song albums all the time now

30:05

like maybe we just make statements either we can too

30:07

and that's a statement like that statement in itself and

30:12

I'm really happy we didn't do that I think John

30:15

yeah well there's that we were like oh it's

30:18

probably gonna be like 14 to 16 that's we

30:20

were like that's we thought

30:22

it was officially gonna be and then John was like we

30:25

showed him a trackless idea and he was like it's way

30:27

too many fucking songs man John's a producer John Congerson and

30:30

we were like and as soon

30:32

as he said it I think we're always around

30:34

the room we're like yeah we we know like

30:36

we know it's a lot and we are still

30:38

introducing ourselves to the world and we still want

30:40

anyone that's even not like a die-hard Wallace gonna

30:42

just put it on and let it let

30:44

it play have a grip them and not let them go at

30:46

all and I think

30:49

we ended up like so when we knew we wanted to narrow

30:51

it down to 12 that's and it really we had so

30:54

many different like album flow files

30:56

like so many different versions and

30:59

we kept going back and forth and like okay could

31:01

you actually swap this one back and forth and album

31:03

version 17 and like cold make a file and send

31:05

it to us and all this stuff and it was

31:08

kind of a fun process to hear all these different versions

31:10

of the album like I

31:12

think we landed on I actually believe this is

31:14

the best version of this album that we landed

31:16

on that it could be like flow wise top

31:19

to bottom it's like that to me it makes

31:21

so much sense it's perfect in my eyes like

31:23

that's what I needed to be yeah perfect

31:27

but yeah it was I was it was we've never had

31:29

that heart of a process before but it was in the

31:32

end it was like it was clear as day the answer

31:34

I think and then

31:37

there's like songs that we left off that I think

31:39

are some of our best songs and will be some

31:41

of our fans favorite songs of ours so we'll make

31:43

sure they hear them but it's they didn't need to

31:45

be on this album and I think

31:47

they'll make sense when they're heard in other context you

31:50

know but do you

31:52

care about this music being the best music you've

31:54

ever made like hmm hmm

31:57

or what's like the soul driving or

32:00

spined at all. I

32:02

mean, um, yeah, I

32:05

think like, I think we do care a lot

32:07

about, um, just outdoing ourselves.

32:09

And like, I know we

32:12

talked earlier about, um, like

32:14

when you decide to make an album or like what,

32:16

like at what point or you were saying or something.

32:18

I think it is like,

32:20

we are the kind of people where we

32:23

finished this record and then like sent it

32:25

off, like sent the files off to go

32:27

be made into CDs or whatever. Um, and

32:31

it's like, it's that moment that we're like, oh,

32:33

but LP4 is going to be like, like we

32:35

just really started talking about, um, the

32:38

next thing. And it's not that like we're tired

32:40

of these. It's not that we don't like these. Like we're still,

32:42

you know, obviously going to go through the motions of, of,

32:45

uh, supporting this record playing it, blah, blah, blah.

32:47

But like, as soon as we, as soon

32:50

as we finish a project, it's like clean slate.

32:52

Like how do we, like, what do we do

32:54

now? Like, and the driving

32:56

force, like what's the engine? I

32:58

don't exactly know. Like what's the engine

33:00

to that process? I don't know, but it's just like, um,

33:03

it's exciting to try and like do

33:06

something new and do something different. And, um, I

33:09

think that we like have

33:11

fun sort of, um, with the

33:13

surprise of it all, I think is just what it

33:15

is. Yeah. I think to us, it's

33:17

our, and it's like, to us it's our best, but

33:20

it's like, you know, 30% of

33:23

our fans might disagree. You know, like, I don't, it's just, it's

33:25

all, it's all up

33:28

to, you know, it might be like someone

33:30

who didn't like our first album's favorite and

33:32

someone who it's all

33:34

it's subjective objective. Uh,

33:37

I guess. But

33:43

I think, yeah, like, I think as

33:46

long as we feel like it's as long as

33:49

we, to me, if I feel like I could

33:51

listen to this as an individual and as just

33:53

a consumer on my own, that's

33:56

where I feel like we've made something good for me. And I'm

33:58

like, I feel like I'd listen to this

34:00

more than our other albums probably. So

34:03

that's good for me. As long as I feel like I

34:05

would actually listen to it, and I do. Yeah.

34:08

So I think. Yeah, it's hard

34:10

to have that perspective of existing

34:13

outside of yourself when you make music.

34:15

Because like you said, you get

34:18

so attached to these things. And because

34:20

for us, we're wearing these. There

34:24

is no divide between us and then what

34:28

the songs are in a way. One

34:31

in the same. Or one in the

34:33

same. Total. Total extension. Yeah, Wallows is.

34:36

We is Wallows. Each

34:38

album is like a lip. Yeah, we'll

34:40

get it. So I just

34:43

totally forgot what I was saying. But are these

34:45

stakes different today than they've ever been?

34:47

I mean, they have to be higher, right? Forum

34:49

MSG. The rooms are getting bigger. Stakes

34:51

are higher for sure. No more work

34:53

to work. Stakes are definitely more well

34:55

done for sure. That's

34:59

the thing. Yeah, it's like we knew the venues are going

35:01

to be playing on this tour recording the album. So we

35:03

had it at the back of our minds. It's like, well,

35:06

this is not the time to do something super left

35:08

field because we know

35:11

what we have to do on this album cycle, right?

35:13

And so that's why I do feel

35:15

like we've landed on the perfect thing for this moment. Because

35:18

we knew we were going to have this moment. It's like,

35:20

what's the album that feels like it belongs to fill the

35:22

space of these rooms and represent this moment

35:24

that we're about to have? That's

35:26

inevitable that we're going to do. What

35:29

can really back that and hopefully just boost it even more?

35:31

And that's what we really tried to approach with this. And

35:35

I hope that our fans hear it

35:37

that way. I hope people listen to it.

35:39

And yeah, I

35:41

do really believe in this album. But like

35:43

Cole said, it's like, what is that that

35:45

drives that immediate, well, this

35:47

next? Because now I'm thinking, I'm

35:50

already past thinking about this album. It's like,

35:52

I want this album to do what it needs to do.

35:54

And I really hope people love it. But I'm already

35:56

thinking about album four. I'm thinking about the songs that

35:58

come after the album, before album four. I'm

36:00

thinking about everything and like and maybe it's

36:02

because Maybe that's

36:04

driven by an underlying insecurity

36:07

of Or just like or

36:10

trying to feel secure and like a plan like

36:12

a backup plan or a plan B or a

36:14

thing and It's always like I'm

36:16

never expecting something To

36:19

go off for wallows. We're never expecting like this is

36:21

gonna be big We've never once been

36:23

like this is a hit I've never once been like

36:26

that But that's why like I think it's different for

36:28

you guys though. I'm you're selling out huge rooms I

36:31

think there's some bands and I want to talk about this I'm

36:33

glad you're bringing it up because you're right you haven't had a

36:35

hit yet But like what the fuck is

36:37

a hit today also do you need

36:39

a hit to sell rooms clearly not? You're

36:42

still in the biggest rooms on planet Earth's last

36:44

time I checked and third. I think

36:46

there's a desire for music

36:49

that is like

36:53

You can have a mid-tempo record and have

36:55

it be fucking amazing and vibe out with

36:57

your friends and escape to music in a

36:59

room That's real and live and in person

37:01

and like it doesn't need to fit on

37:05

By the way, I don't even know You know

37:07

we were on the radio in the biggest capacity

37:09

for fucking too long. We've helped Too

37:12

many people get hits we got

37:14

walls dedicated to it The

37:16

science behind it is so ridiculous

37:18

that it's mostly math-based and

37:21

like very much relationship oriented

37:24

Very little yes about culture shaping,

37:26

but like it's different

37:29

So my question is what the fuck merits a hit

37:31

today Right like if you're gonna make

37:33

the music with the intention of like being

37:35

a tick-tock hit Whatever if you're gonna

37:37

make the intention with it being on today's

37:40

top hits whatever but like you can make

37:42

music That's incredible that hits all the right

37:44

playlists that still garners millions upon millions of

37:46

streams and still drives people to See

37:49

you guys live that that is a

37:51

hit you get I'm saying like that

37:53

is and by the way alternative radio

37:55

in America It is dead so

37:57

like you're gonna go after alternative good Good

38:01

luck. I'll tell all the

38:03

people out here, I know everybody out here regularly,

38:05

but it's dead. But why is it

38:07

dead? Because they killed it themselves. Two

38:10

or three people at the top of that thing

38:12

run it all and they murdered it. They

38:14

destroyed it. So that's like, what

38:16

the fuck's a hit? That's my question. What is

38:18

a hit? Wow. A

38:21

hit nowadays is what resonates with the kids. Fuck

38:23

yeah. It's just like, it

38:26

has been proven that there is no,

38:30

no prediction for what a hit is. Because the

38:32

kids are deciding what they like and they're the

38:34

ones who are making videos of it on TikTok.

38:37

And TikTok runs hits. TikTok makes the music

38:39

industry now at this point. It is the

38:41

tastemaker. It is the tastemaker. And are you

38:43

bored yet? That's

38:45

our version, our closest version of a hit

38:48

that we have and it's because of TikTok.

38:50

And also our fans, of course. It

38:52

was already like our most popular before TikTok

38:54

was even a thing. But that's just

38:56

like the kids on TikTok

38:58

found it and it went bonkers. I

39:02

also do think, yeah, like when

39:06

I see like our fan base and the people who go

39:08

to our shows and like I

39:10

love speaking to them. I love when

39:12

they meet them in person. Like I

39:15

just think, and we

39:17

never tried to

39:20

have that kind of dedicated fan base. We

39:22

are so lucky to have people like that.

39:24

I think that's what makes quote

39:28

unquote hits or people liking your music.

39:31

You resonate with someone. A lot

39:33

of my favorite bands of all time, it's like

39:35

I resonate with them as people

39:37

as well as their music. I think the

39:39

greatest example is The Beatles. I love The

39:42

Beatles as like just people and music. And

39:44

like Dylan, we've had discussions

39:46

of like, oh, Yellow Submarine probably wouldn't be

39:48

a great song from another person or something.

39:51

I just like it because it's Beatles. Like I love, like,

39:54

I don't know. I think there's something

39:56

about If people can like,

39:58

somehow relate to you in a way. That's.

40:00

Also beautiful thing and not just like an

40:02

idea of your music only makes you hit like

40:04

it's the artists as the artist as well.

40:08

And I think that's the same with like, you know, like

40:10

one direction or something. Like there's just something about. Doesn't.

40:13

Thing about them that makes it the there's

40:15

a human element to it and some how

40:17

people see us that way. and that's cool.

40:19

Some has some eight hundred yards. We ran

40:21

away though. You're exactly right, like I think.

40:23

It's. To me or are. We.

40:26

Never approached music river intention of making

40:28

ahead and I think like. Some.

40:31

Artist you know it's going to be like duly puts

40:33

out a song ball that can be had as you

40:35

can be immediately. The topic today is Hop Heads in

40:37

the Music Friday and that's gonna be as a head

40:39

cause you are you and that's what it is right

40:41

and that awesome you get to that point. that's just

40:43

how it is. but. For. Other

40:45

like artists eerily similar size or something

40:47

you like See this like. This.

40:50

Energy of like This is a hit I made as

40:53

a hit all the stuff and it's weeks ago. I'm.

40:55

Like ah just kind of irks me on Like and and.

40:58

Teach. Their own but like I'm just. We've.

41:01

Never had that mindset and it's worked out for us.

41:04

So foreign to me. It's like the version of a

41:06

hit of an artist like to hear. Artist is like

41:08

you're saying someone who's selling out. Arenas and

41:10

don't have a hit like a hit. but we

41:12

know as you have a you music that matters

41:14

to me that you've cultivated to build a relationship

41:17

was you guys to the music you release and

41:19

every other avenues give them access to the music

41:21

matters to them than that qualifies as a hit

41:23

or then of a day. Like the kids that

41:25

are the peacemakers on to talk are smart and

41:27

they're getting smarter and they can smell bullshit from

41:30

a mile away. And. I think like

41:32

I think we talk about that like the kids

41:34

are smart and they get it and I think

41:36

when you can break that wall and how's that

41:38

respect of a fan base and it really comes

41:40

down to artistry in that families and ship and

41:42

and like getting that fan base they're the ones

41:44

are always in the shop or your shows netherlands

41:47

or in sell out your shows like. You.

41:49

Know. There's. So many artists are like

41:51

billions of doing the streams you can't sell out like

41:53

up. A. Club than your own little and you

41:55

have like. Band. Like

41:57

made semi five and a few hundred million streams on us.

42:00

And like not really a huge huge unbelievable hit

42:02

like and they're selling out multiple arenas like I

42:04

was even random examples But you look at her

42:06

like Phoebe Bridgers, right? She doesn't have a music

42:08

matter. Let any venue she wants to put on

42:10

sale Yeah, I think

42:13

it it I

42:15

think it always had this had to do with identity, but I

42:18

think it more so does now like

42:21

what young people want to align themselves with

42:23

and like who they like

42:26

I feel like those those popular artists like that

42:28

kind of are like

42:31

the example of like what they kind of what they want

42:33

to be what they want to associate with like what they're

42:36

Sort of like everything about like if I

42:38

was in high school right now and like

42:40

experiencing all this stuff online with TikTok and

42:42

Instagram and all this stuff being fed to

42:44

me like I feel like I would be maybe

42:47

not desperate but I would be like Craving

42:49

a sense of identity like more than more than like

42:51

when I was in high school because when I was

42:53

in high school It was like the music

42:55

that we discovered and listened to was like I

42:58

sought it out myself Cuz that was like the only

43:00

way there wasn't this like online

43:02

tornado of like promotion and concerts

43:04

and FOMO and all this like

43:06

crazy stuff So I feel

43:09

like if you can cut through that and

43:11

just be Like unforgivingly yourself

43:13

like say someone like Phoebe Bridgers I think

43:15

is a really good example of that like

43:18

she cultivates the fan base because she is

43:20

like what people want to identify with

43:23

You can listen to all his music by the way, it's all waiting

43:25

for your name is on music There's gonna be a link on screen

43:27

code below or link below Is

43:30

your everything you're saying is like very spot-on

43:32

like it is people want to identify with

43:34

somebody feel understood by somebody I mean, there's

43:36

a bunch of different reasons like somebody gravitates

43:38

towards music and Doesn't

43:42

take every radio station playing your song

43:44

every hour and have a record that matters

43:46

today It's just a totally different. Yeah that

43:48

we live in. I think I think that

43:50

people Maybe this is

43:52

just partially my own personal lens because I'm tired

43:54

of it in a way But I

43:56

Feel like people and young people online who are

43:59

sort of in the dream. I proceed of the

44:01

culture. whatever. Ah, I feel

44:03

like they're tired of being having stuff just

44:05

like jam down their throats. like I feel

44:07

like. I'm. The sort

44:09

of like sense of discovery is gone away.

44:12

I greet him and like as artist I'm

44:14

really tired of like me, I like. I

44:16

like this conversation we're having like this is

44:18

this is like actually. Where. We get

44:20

to speak our minds and say religion into

44:22

this though to yeah yeah But then like

44:24

when we have to like when we feel

44:27

this pressured some gems, he's on down people's

44:29

throats and promote stuff. It's it's it's like

44:31

not fun and like I feel like it's

44:33

changed. Over. The years did we were a

44:35

ban. I feel like. Kind. Of right before

44:38

Tic Toc on totally during her and

44:40

then with here we are now today

44:42

and like when we first were doing

44:44

like press things are videos or what

44:46

have you like this idea of like

44:48

doing liners and capturing content was only

44:50

very new. And. We're like yeah this

44:52

is cool. Like let's let's like film a

44:54

video of us standing somewhere in some random

44:56

in our house and hey guys it's coal

44:58

from wallows and were in bowl. It's like

45:01

the super robotic saying. but the now that

45:03

we've arrived at this place like more so

45:05

than ever I am just so unlike. We.

45:07

Need to like break the fourth wall

45:10

of at all because this like Sony

45:12

marketing phony promotion phone is it says

45:14

i don't think it's working I think

45:16

it's a turning people away is is

45:18

what I think I see weird a

45:21

Ansar dine to the blue or turns

45:23

to boy yes man for well as

45:25

a general religion pop like palatable like

45:27

that's what people thought it was me

45:29

now and then a bit turns into

45:32

this like real so for formulaic you

45:34

know to a point of like in

45:36

in seen order to decent. Yes,

45:38

yeah and I've really to. it's

45:40

it's It's a tricky balance to

45:42

because. You. Also feel like you

45:45

have to keep reminding people of things and you have

45:47

to have long. We didn't make. Of it

45:49

seems a lot of it's really helpful in a does work but.

45:52

It's funny if you it every one is was

45:54

in their own. Because. you get

45:56

so wrapped up in the creation of course the creation of

45:58

the music new or it but like then and the

46:01

promotion of it, you get so wrapped up and it's all you

46:03

think about all the time that I

46:05

think it's really easy for artists to feel

46:07

like what they're doing is a bigger deal

46:09

than it is. And I think, for example,

46:12

it's like we're on our little bubbles of promotion

46:14

for these albums. There's an unbelievable amount of albums

46:16

coming out this year, and an unbelievable amount of

46:18

good albums and great albums that are coming out

46:20

this year. But who

46:22

are we to think that this album is actually

46:25

a big deal and important in the grand scheme

46:27

of things and Beyonce, for example,

46:29

put out an incredible album. I love that album.

46:32

A month and a half ago, two months ago,

46:34

and for two days I felt like a big

46:36

deal and I've already moved on and forgotten and

46:38

there's another new big album coming out. So who

46:40

are we to think that Model is

46:42

going to be like? No

46:45

matter how much we're promoting it and doing all this

46:47

stuff, it's like there's going to be

46:49

another album coming out that day and the week after

46:51

that even our fans are listening to. So it's just,

46:54

you just have to focus on the, do the

46:56

best you can do and make sure you're connecting

46:58

with your fans and you're delivering shows that they

47:00

want to come see and just let

47:03

it naturally happen. And

47:05

I feel like also you get in a bubble on tour

47:07

as well and you feel like your tour is on your

47:09

brain and it's like, this tour is such a big deal.

47:12

And then you see there's so many artists touring at the

47:14

same time that we don't even know about. And it's so

47:16

easy to get wrapped up in your own head about things.

47:19

But I also, it makes me kind of like, It's true,

47:21

but it's very doom and gloom. Yeah. It's

47:23

very accurate. Make sure you have fun and it's honest for

47:25

you and that's really all that matters as

47:27

long as you're having fun and it's honest. I think the time you can, you

47:30

think it's a big deal and all these things. I think the

47:33

most important thing that I always try to remind myself is

47:35

I want to be older and look back on Wallows

47:37

in our career. And that's when it feels like all

47:39

that, all

47:42

the things that we like

47:44

achieved or did is like, it's boiled down

47:46

into like what matters. Like you've mentioned

47:48

before, like you do all these hoopla things,

47:51

but at the end of the day, it's like, you look back on

47:53

Wallows, you're not gonna remember when we said, hey, go listen to our

47:55

model in front of like a TV. It's

47:57

gonna be the music and the album and what.? The

48:00

means you and I think I'm. I.

48:02

Think it's all just building up to or hopefully

48:04

one day reflecting on our music and and being

48:06

happy of what we put out. It's not on

48:08

it is Elena that's as well as the same

48:10

to listeners. You and hope for the same

48:12

for listeners like they're not going on. It's like if

48:14

it's just what agenda that a what matters is two

48:16

years, three years, four years ten years now. Never looked

48:19

back about arming. I love that I'm and and something

48:21

to me and that's alms that I love right now.

48:23

He blonde always things it's like I remember. That.

48:26

Album you know it's on about like the

48:28

promotion of X Frank barely even can still

48:30

never probably never was any things and are

48:32

as that a lot like that the an

48:34

awesome time actually to me see like one

48:36

on the next I'm do sort of like

48:38

an anti roll out to slay kisses opposite

48:40

of everything is weird I mean and sometimes

48:42

it worse and then other times it seem

48:44

as he does ever had a cigarette in

48:46

his in a it's to full freight like

48:48

me go with every album it in A

48:51

and I am. I don't make it but

48:53

I consume it heavily. And. Mean. Give.

48:56

Me something I feel understood by which is most

48:58

likely going to be a reality And then if

49:00

you can make that song or that album a

49:02

in the best case on entire fucking album be

49:05

something that can stick with me Forever Can Fuck

49:07

yeah but lead to be Honestly Kabylie Carter Amazing.

49:10

Amazing! I found myself going back to listen to

49:12

songs from that album maybe two or three times.

49:15

And maybe I'm in the minority on that one. I would

49:17

hope so. Because we do such a

49:19

week after and do we bistro using a lot

49:21

of a there's it's it's everybody draw for everything

49:23

so it's as every week the something new for

49:25

people to like, talk about and care about. At

49:28

the Truth is like guess dropping Drakes rather

49:30

extreme version of that smells the I say

49:32

that discouraging. As an artist I know you

49:34

put two years of work and when Alan

49:36

somebody gives a thirty minutes and I guard

49:38

Almanza the next only as the goals for

49:40

it to be something crazy. It doesn't discourage

49:43

me as if it's is what it's like.

49:45

We made an album that we love and

49:47

we're at. We're lucky that people will listen

49:49

to it, but as if for some reason.

49:51

That. Happened or not, that wasn't the goal

49:53

to be something that like it has to be

49:56

the biggest thing. For three years straight, it's like.

49:59

Because. You don't really expect. that you know like

50:01

because there are so many people making music so

50:03

but it is it is interesting like if the

50:05

whole goal was to just like craft this

50:07

thing that's gonna be the most gigantic thing in

50:09

the world it'd be very disappointing if it got

50:12

one stream and then that was it. But Zizix

50:14

Road. You

50:17

guys want to movie Zizix Road? They got like $24 at the box

50:19

office with a Papadogra

50:22

movie classic. But

50:26

I'm sure that movie has a cult following now and

50:28

now you know what I mean? Zizix Road. It was

50:30

about the movie. Yeah. You

50:33

fit a vibe though. The music that you guys

50:35

create fits a vibe. So I found myself going

50:37

back to listening to you guys for like certain

50:39

energy. That make sense? That's good.

50:41

I mean that's kind of like that's

50:43

what I do want this album to convey like that's why

50:45

it goes down to like I just hope this album is

50:47

easy to put back on. You're doing it. I'm

50:50

not gonna name names but I only listen to like

50:52

five artists in my whole life. Like it sounds funny

50:54

but I only listen to the same things like I

50:56

do listen to new stuff as well but they know

50:58

me like I'm the least broad horizons. They're like this

51:01

new album drop from like what? I have no

51:03

idea what you're talking about. So like I

51:05

just listen to stuff that I resonate with and that's just how

51:07

I listen to music but then you guys discover stuff all the

51:09

time and show me. I mean I obviously listen to more than

51:11

five artists but. I have a really nerd like

51:13

I I stay up today. I have a

51:15

really nerdy like system of how I keep track of albums.

51:17

Yeah. It's like a whole list of albums that are dropping.

51:19

Anytime I see an album that's released date I put it

51:21

in order and I have the release date of when it's

51:24

coming out so I make sure I at least check it

51:26

out. Like I'm checking out all the albums I'm aware of.

51:28

It's crazy. Color coded. Do you have like a note? Well

51:30

it's in my iPhone notes and I like

51:33

colored like the way I like keep track of

51:35

if I how I liked it or not is then I'll write out

51:37

the track list while I'm checking it out. I'll

51:40

put a color dot next song red

51:42

means don't like

51:44

this not for me yellow is like it's

51:48

not bad but it's just not for me like it's

51:51

cool fine whatever purple is like this is at least

51:53

really good or great love it you know and so I have

51:56

read yellow purple and so my whole album list it's like

51:58

and then that determines what the whole Color.rating

52:00

for the album is so it's like this list and

52:02

it's like drop order I think like it's in like

52:05

chronological order stuff like red yellow yellow purple Purple right

52:07

you know that I keep track of have

52:09

it in my notes albums

52:13

There's a lot this year because I can look back at like one

52:15

from 2023 I do I've done it for a few years and

52:17

it's like 2024 is crazy. There's so many

52:19

albums come out this year Okay, okay. Okay. So

52:21

what else are you keeping track of this meticulously?

52:24

you like to know Like

52:28

nothing I'd sort of I I

52:30

like I just like to be aware of the music

52:33

that's being put out and being aware

52:35

of what I like and what I don't and Do

52:38

you color code anything else in life? No, it's

52:41

just that interesting. I feel like it's

52:44

It's kind of it's if that list sort of like leak

52:46

or something. I'd probably be like Canceled

52:48

for not liking some people's albums, but like

52:51

my fan bases on the internet, but I think why do

52:53

I want you to like a blog? Yeah,

52:56

I have a secret blog. Maybe I can become a

52:58

youtuber now or something. Yeah, if

53:01

model fails Yeah,

53:04

I don't know why I went on that tangent I've

53:06

just never been able to reveal it before are you

53:08

learning from the music you're listening to you like what

53:10

are you listening for? I mean obviously we

53:12

listen to music for a bunch of reasons, but

53:15

yeah, you know, I feel like I feel like I

53:19

Enjoy the process of discovering things

53:21

and like music that's what I

53:23

like but a lot of times I

53:25

feel like The sort

53:27

of like indicator for if I if I

53:29

really like something or not nowadays,

53:33

especially with our sort of like contemporaries is

53:35

if If it

53:37

makes me like a little bit jealous If

53:40

I hear something really cool and I'm like, oh like

53:43

no, but in a good way, you

53:45

know, cuz I'm like it's Something

53:48

is cool and it makes me wish that like

53:51

not that I had thought of this cuz you

53:53

know That's that's not what it is exactly. But

53:55

it's like, oh man, like this. This

53:57

is really good and it it Like

54:00

you know what I mean you were in the last summer.

54:02

Happen to your some that sticks out like. Your

54:05

that feeling? Though. The songs you

54:07

santos recently are no with one of those

54:09

like you sent us a song like with

54:11

are on the covers He has the i

54:13

guess that's it's jealousy is too strong of

54:15

a word and I feel like the word

54:18

jealousy carries like negative baggage. So it's when

54:20

we're still see her Nz who I don't

54:22

know actually and be from the and versa.

54:24

Oh no another I don't know. but anyway

54:27

as. Yeah. That's sort of like.

54:29

You know the feeling of know w? Also

54:31

just like this is this: Inspire Like what

54:33

it's supposed to For one inspires me. Pledges

54:36

know what's going on and. To.

54:38

Know it's possible maybe bird give blood in our

54:40

field outside of our field and thirty pm and

54:43

I'll just copying someone else here. And boots phonies.

54:45

I went through a phase where my credit card

54:47

got hacked and I had to cancel my credit

54:49

card and that was connected. I'm Apple Music plays

54:51

Apple music actually on spotify but so I cancel

54:53

the card and then it a got to the

54:55

pyro like and I got a new car. Blows

54:57

like Apple Music's in a go away and like

55:00

a month if you don't Whatever as a care

55:02

I base going to the point where Apple Music

55:04

was off my phone and I know spot a

55:06

fire. No, no music streaming at all. Perfect time

55:08

for. And I was like i'm not as

55:10

like ah see what happens if I could

55:13

Don't listen to music comes knocking on

55:15

some music So I went so long without

55:17

any streaming anything. Nothing in a long

55:19

time without serious student or not about

55:21

to say that No I don't believe I

55:23

speak new credit card and like I

55:25

know ashes. By

55:27

the islands and I remember the moon I might

55:29

as idols and having an unarmed I had a

55:31

five a vinyl player so if I did listen

55:34

to something beyond vinyl but that kind of rare

55:36

to them like you know, maybe not home. So.

55:38

I. Didn't listen music for a long time and I

55:40

was listening to music so damn much. right when

55:42

on music. But. Then I I finally

55:45

listens to Ten Years Gone By Led Zeppelin.

55:47

random were in a headless Nord music seriously

55:49

in a long time for my earphones and

55:51

to the got up a music listener. Ten

55:53

Years Gone by Led Zeppelin and I cried.

55:57

africa holy sites as exists is

55:59

like this I'm feeling it in a

56:01

way it happened since I was a kid. You reset your

56:03

music tolerance. I did and I feel like it's because I

56:05

wasn't over, like it's like you know sometimes when you hear

56:07

your favorite song it kind of, the

56:09

magic gets lost, but not listening to music

56:12

for so long I actually cried. I haven't cried to

56:14

music since I was probably never. You

56:17

took a tea break. I took a, wait what was

56:19

that? A tolerance break. Oh that's funny man. Yeah I

56:21

took a tea break and I just remember listening to

56:23

that song and I was like oh my god. And

56:25

it like re-sparked some love

56:27

for music and now I kind

56:29

of just, not re-sparked a love for music,

56:31

but it like re-sparked my tears for music

56:34

and reignited. Imagine

56:37

no music was released by anyone for six months.

56:39

How people would feel, how the kids would feel

56:41

when music came back. Like I wonder if it'd

56:44

be better than ever. I don't know. I don't

56:46

know. It's like is there pure

56:48

oversaturation or is music really still connecting with the kids

56:50

like it should? I think also for me that's the

56:52

thing. It's like for me seeing up to date and

56:55

finding stuff that I love and picking up the stuff

56:57

that I'm like there's really really inspiring and really great.

57:01

Progressive things happening in music. It

57:05

sort of reinvigorates my love for making

57:07

music because I'm like it is

57:09

possible to make something great and that it moves the

57:11

needle even if not many people are listening to it.

57:13

And it is, there is great stuff happening. There

57:15

are like iconic songwriters right now. Oh yeah. This

57:17

is happening because it's so easy to look at

57:19

all this like shameless just

57:22

like gross oversaturation promotion of artists and music

57:24

and like the way the whole system works

57:26

is streaming and playlists. And it's easy to

57:28

be discouraging and be like what is music

57:31

making music anymore and consuming music? What the fuck

57:34

is this? And it can be really discouraging,

57:36

but the more like great albums that

57:38

I find and I keep track of and listen to

57:40

that I love, I'm like, oh, okay. It's it's it's

57:43

really it's there still it's still happening.

57:45

It's still exciting. It's still inspiring. And

57:48

there's amazing artists like I think we

57:50

have a Bob Dylan of our generation right now with

57:52

like Adrian Lanker, you know, big beef and her solo

57:55

stuff like, you know, we have

57:57

that happening and it's so easy for people to

57:59

not notice. it now like it used

58:01

to have because social media streaming all

58:04

this stuff and that's it's great it's all great

58:06

because you can more artists are getting discovered than

58:08

ever and that's amazing but then it's

58:10

also harder it for people to like

58:12

see what we have as well because there is great

58:14

stuff happening and it's easy to just kind of fall

58:16

to the wayside but it'll reveal

58:18

itself in like 50 years about music really

58:20

stands and that's crazy when you guys look

58:22

back at songs like are you bored yet

58:24

and wonder or know why that performs so

58:27

well not

58:29

really because we didn't even know would

58:31

be the lead single for the album

58:33

when we wrote it but I remember

58:36

Craig at Atlanta like that's the lead single for the

58:38

album I was like you're crazy why I don't get

58:40

it I like it's not for a second

58:42

what are you gonna be on the album yeah like didn't even it

58:45

truly did not compete with us as our hit at

58:47

all and it just is

58:49

it is our hit that we have and

58:51

it's like it's so funny how that happens but

58:53

that's I was like I don't know anything I just knew that

58:55

shows I don't know anything he's got to make music and just

58:58

hope for the best and just be honest with ourselves the

59:01

worst songs I've ever written personally or the ones when I

59:03

tried to write like a hit song like I tried to

59:05

be like what is like what is that and I'd be

59:07

like that's

59:13

just not where that's just not where the inspirations

59:15

for me people can work that way of course

59:17

and that's awesome like Max Martin of the world

59:19

he puts on that hit hat and

59:21

it's amazing and I love it he

59:24

owns it and it's amazing and it's like there's some

59:27

of the greatest songs ever written and if there's

59:29

a song that I write that seems like it could be

59:31

like a whatever my intention wasn't

59:33

to make that and I don't

59:37

know and another interesting example is like there's

59:39

a song on this album on model called

59:41

she's an actress that is

59:43

my favorite on the album and I think it's just

59:45

maybe it's my favorite because it feels like the least

59:47

similar to other things like I don't really know what

59:50

to compare it to and that's what inspires me and

59:52

stuff that we make but like that song there's

59:54

no real structure to the song there's no chorus

59:58

there's never a line repeated twice ever It's

1:00:00

just it's just words words words

1:00:02

words words no chorus And I was like

1:00:05

damn I really think this is the coolest and best song

1:00:07

that we have here like no offense the other songs But when

1:00:09

we were making I was like this is fucking cool. I was

1:00:11

like I just know The label

1:00:13

or people or whatever we got to like fight I'm gonna

1:00:15

have to fight for the song or something because there's no

1:00:17

chorus and the other than did you It

1:00:20

people here, and they're like this is one of the standouts the sleeper

1:00:22

hit all this other like oh Like it

1:00:24

was so like surprising to me, and

1:00:26

it just it's it's you just really don't know

1:00:28

what's gonna Resonate with people,

1:00:30

but like I don't know it's just that's why I really love

1:00:32

that song because I was like this songs really odd and

1:00:36

Everyone's really responding to it, and it just shows that like

1:00:39

It's just cuz it's cool songs are

1:00:41

gonna resonate with people. There's no formula for

1:00:43

a hit There's no formula for success It's

1:00:45

just as like long as it's cool and

1:00:47

honest and it's it's it's it's like honest

1:00:50

inspiration coming from you That's

1:00:52

what prevails What's

1:00:54

the biggest difference between this album and tell me

1:00:56

that it's over hmm? Hmm

1:00:59

I think this is a lot It's

1:01:01

a lot more precise. It's a lot Intricate

1:01:04

a lot more intricate a lot cleaner like I think

1:01:06

that something that it's over is very like loose

1:01:10

like kind of fuzzy loud a lot

1:01:12

of feedback a lot of like Just

1:01:15

you know it's very sharp and

1:01:18

like and that was intentional right like that was like the

1:01:20

that we went for that but like with this it's

1:01:24

You can probably turn it off a little easier.

1:01:26

I'd say because it's a little cleaner But

1:01:29

the parts are a lot more precise It's there's

1:01:31

not big like open jangling chords and feedback and

1:01:33

all this stuff all the time It's sort of

1:01:35

like every guitar part is you know

1:01:37

the chord is a higher inversion on the neck or

1:01:39

like it's There's not really bard

1:01:42

chords happening. It's like let's do a cool

1:01:44

smart riff instead That's sort of like you

1:01:46

know it we really wanted this to just be more

1:01:48

a little smarter sounding

1:01:51

But secretly because like this

1:01:53

song like you show me where my days went the

1:01:55

same a song. It's like Probably

1:01:58

you could say it's like the pot Poppiest

1:02:00

song in the album, but it's also like

1:02:02

the most intricate musically like the guitar parts

1:02:04

are all really Like to me

1:02:06

the most intricate parts we have and like the music of

1:02:09

it is It's always changing and

1:02:11

like but you don't it's written like a pop song so

1:02:13

you can't tell And

1:02:16

we were just learning some of the songs live recently for

1:02:18

like some things We have coming up and that

1:02:20

one was the hardest one to put together But

1:02:22

that's like you listen to it and that's like the poppiest

1:02:24

one but it's like we really just tried

1:02:26

to make an effort to like make everything like just

1:02:28

just be smarter about the parts and Just

1:02:31

have it all be really precise and sharp

1:02:33

and like it sharpened like a performance way

1:02:37

Which goes back to what we're saying earlier like we did

1:02:39

the bare minimum of tracks I don't

1:02:41

know if you would say that to me to me. That's the

1:02:43

biggest difference like I think there's You

1:02:45

know they're both There's

1:02:48

a lot of songs I've do with relationships still so like

1:02:50

thematically. I'd like I'm not saying. It's like a whole other

1:02:52

thing You know in

1:02:54

terms of like there's still like love. There's like there's love

1:02:56

songs on this and there's you know There's sad breakup songs,

1:02:58

and you know there's whatever there is but

1:03:01

I think like to me it's a

1:03:03

really different album though and You

1:03:06

have like yeah in the performances and

1:03:08

sonically really did you all make this album

1:03:10

for you or for the people listening to it I? Think

1:03:15

for us and our fans is what my answer would

1:03:17

be and that's like the only that's the only thing

1:03:19

and And

1:03:22

I guess Maybe with

1:03:24

maybe the idea of like more people being introduced

1:03:26

to us and you know hearing

1:03:29

something about us that we haven't brought to the table, but I

1:03:31

think at the end of the day It's always just for for

1:03:33

you. It's like for us like I think there's like a David

1:03:36

Bowie thing where it's like you make music for

1:03:38

yourself And then that should hopefully resonate with other

1:03:40

people because it means something to you and you're

1:03:42

human and they're humans So

1:03:44

yeah, I think it's I think you make

1:03:47

it for yourself, but also It's fun. Okay,

1:03:49

so I was reading there's this magazine called

1:03:51

pleaser magazine It's these these fans of music

1:03:53

and they actually got their name from our

1:03:55

band like pleasers our first single and the

1:03:58

founder Name

1:04:00

the magazine off of us and there's a big art like

1:04:02

I have the magazine I was reading through it and

1:04:05

I was just reading all these things about like why

1:04:08

she named it Pleaser and and and

1:04:10

wallows and like like there

1:04:12

was an article like in the beginning There was wallows and

1:04:14

that she wrote this whole thing about like why she named

1:04:16

the magazine this and I was just sitting

1:04:18

there last night Going this is amazing how? It's

1:04:21

just beautiful that it made me

1:04:23

be like this is why I make music

1:04:25

it's it's for this to happen like this

1:04:27

connection that people have to what we make

1:04:29

and it's Shout out

1:04:31

pleaser magazine you rule and we actually did a

1:04:33

cover shoot with them So there's gonna be a

1:04:36

magazine with us. So it's amazing, but that's

1:04:38

why That's why I make music

1:04:40

that and also just my love of it and the people that

1:04:42

inspire me Yeah like since we did

1:04:44

know the venues are gonna play and the tour like

1:04:47

we definitely wanted this album to be like an album

1:04:49

that Is made to be played live and like that

1:04:51

is for our fans and us like it's really just

1:04:53

for like let's Enjoy

1:04:56

these songs together like let's have a great night

1:04:58

when we're playing these songs with you and you're

1:05:00

there and like let's let's make a night That

1:05:03

you'll always remember that's kind of like really what we want to do

1:05:05

with this tour because like our our fans

1:05:07

really still reminisce on our last tour and they loved it

1:05:09

and they all talk about it and Twitter

1:05:11

every night and all the stuff and like I just

1:05:14

want to make sure that we're like giving even more special

1:05:16

Nights to them and it really is just for like it's

1:05:19

it's for both It is for the fans and us but no one

1:05:21

we hope other people like listen to it like Braden said But it's

1:05:23

not really for anyone else other than the people who already love us

1:05:26

and us Yeah,

1:05:28

yeah There

1:05:33

we go, how do you guys approach arena shows that's

1:05:35

big I

1:05:43

mean we have a new

1:05:45

stage design which we've been collabing with Rob

1:05:50

And I mean gosh

1:05:52

approach arena shows I think we wanted to feel

1:05:54

not like in a reader show we wanted to

1:05:56

feel intimate and we want people to feel like

1:05:58

they're Actually connecting with us still We're not just

1:06:00

like little ants on the life.

1:06:06

Yeah, I think people love being able to connect with us at our shows.

1:06:08

Like there's a lot of our fans who are scared of us playing bigger

1:06:10

rooms. And I think we just want to like prove

1:06:12

that the more space we have and the more

1:06:15

budget we have and things like

1:06:17

that, that it's only going to let us

1:06:19

achieve our big kind

1:06:21

of grand ideas and visions more and

1:06:23

like only deliver even better shows, more

1:06:26

unforgettable nights. And

1:06:28

we want to still like do things to keep it

1:06:31

like as close and intimate with the fans as possible.

1:06:34

Yeah, we've never done it before. We've

1:06:37

never played. I mean, we,

1:06:39

I feel like oftentimes bands will go

1:06:41

on tours opening for other bands and then

1:06:43

like along the way, somehow you end up

1:06:46

playing like some sort of massive show. But

1:06:50

the only band, the only band we've ever

1:06:52

opened for in any capacity is Vampire Weekend.

1:06:55

And we did like some underplay shows and

1:06:57

then we did some stuff in Europe. So

1:06:59

yes, they're obviously a really big band. But

1:07:01

when we play it in London,

1:07:04

I think technically that's the biggest venue

1:07:07

we've ever played is

1:07:09

that venue in London with Vampire Weekend, right? Which I

1:07:11

think it's like a 10,000 capacity. It's

1:07:13

just like a big open, it's called Alexander

1:07:15

Palace, like a big open flat thing. And

1:07:19

now they're showing up to see you. Yeah, now we're

1:07:21

playing. Yeah, we are playing that room, which is hilarious.

1:07:25

But yeah, we haven't played in

1:07:27

an arena. So I don't really

1:07:29

know. I have no

1:07:31

idea what to expect. It's

1:07:34

weird. It's weird. I

1:07:36

was at the Madonna show at

1:07:38

Forum recently and I was like, you get like

1:07:40

anxiety in those moments. I was like,

1:07:42

wait, this is where we're playing. I also think I

1:07:44

had a bit of a shroom gummy. I was like,

1:07:46

whoa, I will like, I was like, I was in

1:07:48

there. I was like, oh,

1:07:51

fuck. I was like,

1:07:53

I know you get all these

1:07:55

ideas and it's nerve racking, but

1:07:57

it's. It's

1:08:01

exciting, I think, but the

1:08:03

thing is it's really expensive to tour, man. It's

1:08:05

expensive to put on a big show and I

1:08:08

think it's like we've even had big expectations and still

1:08:11

had to reel them back because it's like you have

1:08:13

to be able to afford the tour as well and

1:08:16

be able to walk away with hopefully some

1:08:18

money as well because that's really

1:08:20

the only way artists make money now if you're not

1:08:22

one of the big ones, right? You

1:08:25

have to tour and merge. Recruitment

1:08:27

land for eternity. Yeah,

1:08:30

literally. Forever. So I think

1:08:32

we've got to also make sure, give

1:08:34

a show that feels bigger and better than ever, make

1:08:37

it feel worthwhile, worth whatever ticket price

1:08:39

the fan paid, make it just feel

1:08:43

like we belong in those rooms but then also

1:08:45

be able to sustain livings

1:08:48

and whatnot. And that's sort of what

1:08:50

we've got to do. But I do think that the show is like,

1:08:52

so it's not going to be Madonna level, right?

1:08:54

It's not going to be like the craziest arena show

1:08:57

you've ever seen. Yeah.

1:09:00

It's going to be

1:09:02

big for, it's going to feel

1:09:04

really big for Wallows and for our fans that have already been there

1:09:06

for us. I think it's going to be a very worthwhile show of

1:09:08

the spaces that they're in but like we've

1:09:10

had to manage our expectations a bit because you're

1:09:12

like, oh, that huge idea is like

1:09:14

millions and millions and millions of dollars to buy to

1:09:17

do, to buy the things to do it. I'm

1:09:19

like, holy shit. It's been really eye opening,

1:09:21

putting some of the stuff together with

1:09:23

our team because obviously we have, we

1:09:26

work great people and they kind of are facilitating

1:09:28

all these things. But yeah, it's

1:09:30

crazy. The amount of like, the

1:09:32

amount of like dollars flying around for those bit

1:09:34

like festivals and big shows that you just like

1:09:37

so casually see happening. It's like, no,

1:09:39

it's a crazy a village to do,

1:09:42

to do it. It's really insane. Everything

1:09:45

costs way more than you think it's going to cost by

1:09:48

like 20 to 50%. Yeah. Could

1:09:51

be 100%. Literally. It's nuts.

1:09:53

It's crazy. Everything in

1:09:55

the world. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:58

How was Madonna on the stream gummies? insane

1:10:02

her shows insane she's amazing and and

1:10:04

rob it designs our show designs her

1:10:06

show yeah it's fresh out of ria

1:10:08

one point six million yeah when they're

1:10:11

out crazy she's

1:10:14

a star you know but you're also like there's certain

1:10:16

moments of the show you're like

1:10:18

I was looking around like this weird it's like

1:10:20

interlude moments or and I look around like does

1:10:22

anyone know what's going on at this part of the

1:10:25

show like because she'll go to an outfit change and

1:10:27

this is a crazy thing happened you're like this is

1:10:29

crazy it's kind of a crazy show it's a spectacle

1:10:31

if you can go you must see it because I've

1:10:33

never seen a show like it it's pretty amazing so

1:10:35

funny it's pretty amazing I was having an amazing time

1:10:37

it was awesome how do you

1:10:39

guys like view each other are

1:10:41

you co-workers are you friends are

1:10:44

you watching you peers lovers love

1:10:46

lovers all of the above it's

1:10:48

all I mean it's all you it's friends and bandwidths

1:10:50

to know you know what I mean business

1:10:53

partners we're on business calls every day

1:10:55

for different reasons but we're still just

1:10:57

like true homies you

1:10:59

know we are just friends yeah

1:11:02

I think yeah yeah we tour with our other

1:11:05

best friends you know it's really we have

1:11:07

a really great relationship with touring because we just have we're just with

1:11:09

our best friends in the room we have a great time we're

1:11:12

which are very lucky for like I honestly can imagine

1:11:14

being a solo artist and like touring

1:11:16

I feel like that that's where I feel

1:11:19

like I'd start to understand the like understandable

1:11:22

issues that like certain

1:11:25

artists face being on tour like

1:11:27

we're just very lucky to just have such

1:11:29

like just to it feels like you're just

1:11:32

vacationing with your friends and then we just play these awesome

1:11:34

shows every night and our fans are amazing it's just really

1:11:36

rewarding at the same time and

1:11:39

yeah we're just friends yeah

1:11:42

I have a lot of business calls yeah it's weird

1:11:44

I don't know like I don't know because we all

1:11:46

met we're so young it's like you

1:11:49

know what two-thirds of my life has been like

1:11:51

us being in a band or something at this

1:11:53

point it's like I were friends at one point

1:11:55

right it started as friends yeah it's

1:11:57

just I feel like it's yeah there's an I don't know

1:11:59

it it is. It's just it's just what it is.

1:12:02

Yeah, I've known brain since I was nine

1:12:04

and you met through acting were both child actors

1:12:06

and our moms met online on this like

1:12:08

forum for parents who have child actors

1:12:10

and warm it

1:12:12

all but

1:12:16

and we like we're just friends for a bit. These

1:12:18

little kids being like we love

1:12:20

classic rock is our you know our dads both playing

1:12:23

bands going up and all this stuff and we

1:12:27

just we're like we're going to be in a

1:12:29

band one day. Yeah, all these ideas for a

1:12:31

band and yeah,

1:12:34

that was just pure kid friendship for

1:12:36

a while of like you know this pipe

1:12:38

dream of being in like a rock and roll band and

1:12:41

then we like did this program really

1:12:43

like sign up and kids play like

1:12:45

basically recital of like three covers you learn that's

1:12:47

where we met Cole. Gigmasters well, ging

1:12:49

master. Yeah, that's ging

1:12:52

masters. Let's go join the band room at Cole

1:12:55

and ging masters was my dad's thing that we

1:12:57

played some gigs. So for ging

1:13:00

masters man, we've been playing together for so how 15

1:13:02

years now we've been playing together the three of us. Yeah, 15 years.

1:13:05

We didn't call into the pretense of like making

1:13:08

music with them or playing. He was a really

1:13:10

business partner. Yeah, so cold. No,

1:13:15

no, we've like we've been in a band

1:13:17

together for like 15 years. Chris been for

1:13:19

like so many memories together. Yeah, the first

1:13:21

song we played together was original sweet talk

1:13:24

and love. First original song. Sounds

1:13:27

like you want to know. Yeah, before

1:13:29

you want to know by the way, I can still watch your monkeys. We've

1:13:33

been working on the contract for a while. Yeah.

1:13:35

So funny. No, but we, uh, we

1:13:37

also, the first time we ever actually played

1:13:39

was purple haze by Jimi. That's right. Yeah.

1:13:41

The first three song set was purple haze

1:13:43

under the bridge and jail break. Yeah,

1:13:46

that's right. Yeah, that's right.

1:13:48

Yeah. Big ones. Those are

1:13:50

hits. Yeah. Yeah. This is

1:13:52

wild. It's a real band. Like I

1:13:54

like it. I like it. Actual, genuine, authentic

1:13:57

origin story. It's authentic

1:13:59

for sure. It's real. Yeah, it's real and

1:14:01

it's like We've done

1:14:03

it. We've done it for so long and It

1:14:06

feels like the things we're doing now are like Kind

1:14:09

of long time coming Sorry,

1:14:15

I gotta change some batteries I

1:14:20

don't know. It feels like reward like it feels like

1:14:23

Deserved you know we've done it for a long time and

1:14:25

we never gave up and it feels like That's what's weird

1:14:27

because we would have these like dreams of playing venues like

1:14:29

the forum or something and then we're doing it and it's

1:14:32

He's got to make sure you soak those moments in because it's easy to

1:14:34

be like we're yeah playing the forum and you're like Wait

1:14:37

a second. That's insane. Like if you think about it at

1:14:39

least for us like when we were just kids doing this

1:14:42

To have this dream of doing something like that someday

1:14:45

That's crazy. And it's like you just got to try to hold

1:14:47

on to that naivety and that like that that

1:14:50

like childhood Love

1:14:53

and dreams and like, you know, just

1:14:55

that I don't know that kind

1:14:58

of amateur quality you want to still hold on to

1:15:00

that and not feel like not feel numb to anything

1:15:02

and really just hook in these moments cuz You

1:15:05

know, it could always be gone at any point. So it's one

1:15:07

of those things but You know, we're

1:15:09

just really just gonna try to suck up this year next year and

1:15:11

just really enjoy this whole album process and

1:15:14

Keep doing our best. Keep doing our thing. It's gonna be

1:15:16

a good one. Thanks. Thanks. What I've heard

1:15:18

from the album I want to listen to the

1:15:20

whole thing. It's fucking great. So thank you. I

1:15:22

mean a lot I've listened to the three songs

1:15:25

that are out over and over and over again.

1:15:27

So Yeah,

1:15:29

I've been cruising in my new car to it. It's

1:15:31

good. Look already got people are gonna judge Another

1:15:37

time I'm guessing cyber truck I

1:15:41

Company right Wedding

1:15:44

you didn't think about acting anymore. You mentioned that

1:15:46

you guys men like acting class. Mmm, or wherever

1:15:48

you met I was an online chat

1:15:50

for him for stage parents. Yeah, actually No,

1:15:57

I think I mean. What's

1:16:00

your idea? in a weird we're live we saw

1:16:02

it on I figure I yeah yada yada advisers

1:16:04

and I think I think responded to see you

1:16:06

in a and something soon Yeah I think about

1:16:09

it I think about it for sure I think

1:16:11

like come. Through

1:16:14

interesting I've done for women's both on

1:16:16

for so long ago. Really long time

1:16:18

and I. Was. Very fortunate to

1:16:20

find success know like of. We've always worked

1:16:22

a time and then I was on Earth are

1:16:25

two reasons why it was really popular and.

1:16:27

Duffy. Reached a peak in Nyc so far when

1:16:29

I am acting and. But.

1:16:32

It also started to feel like a bit of

1:16:34

a job and I was in a very like fortunate

1:16:37

position where they do those fun for me I was

1:16:39

with inspiring but those like says or dislike. Just.

1:16:42

A job I was like whoa. I

1:16:45

feel like. Wallows

1:16:47

and Music is like this passion that we've always

1:16:49

had as a group. to like really take all

1:16:51

the way of as far as we can and.

1:16:54

Of. Like I said, they come in a position are I can

1:16:57

kind of like. Do. That for a while

1:16:59

and I see like get this the fathers who can

1:17:01

mean only way that can happen as a viper my

1:17:03

hundred percent time energy into it and liked it very

1:17:05

seriously and so the world that. We.

1:17:07

All take this very seriously. This is a

1:17:09

real bambee real ban things and what's this

1:17:11

known as like. Definitely.

1:17:14

Like the intent and so I've just sort

1:17:16

of like. For me, I'm just following what

1:17:18

feels. Natural. And inspiring of

1:17:20

a time. I'm very obviously incredibly privileged and lucky to

1:17:22

be in a position where it's like to search really

1:17:24

good jobs out of you this now and like to

1:17:26

see be my job like that's very. It's.

1:17:28

Insane. but. It's.

1:17:31

Working out there when it's like I'm spoiling of

1:17:33

yells inspiring. And. As.

1:17:35

Working out for awesome Having an amazing time So it's

1:17:37

like I do think about as a concept one day.

1:17:39

but unlike. Gotta. Do this verse.

1:17:41

You know it's like I tell my manager and

1:17:44

I date and sort of like. The. I'd

1:17:46

like. You. know to enjoy sex the

1:17:48

right and everything is no other things it's

1:17:50

lives or whatever you actually going to i

1:17:52

was actually an inside it dissolves into like

1:17:54

my mind i was gonna do something last

1:17:56

year in this time frame from like this

1:17:58

month to dismantle of time I'm an act

1:18:00

and something and that time frame was the actor

1:18:03

strike the sex right so

1:18:07

I really did listening about it but even in not doing

1:18:09

it then I feel like I'm actually starting to have more

1:18:11

inspiration for like I'm starting to feel like I feel like

1:18:13

I have something to give artistically and creatively

1:18:15

and other fields and just music right now I do feel

1:18:17

like I have something to give and

1:18:19

that's probably acting but like I feel like there's

1:18:21

something I feel like I'm starting to feel inspiration

1:18:23

for that again so yeah like at

1:18:26

some point when we've

1:18:28

like fulfilled our wallows duties and we're all like ready to

1:18:30

sort of when we're ready to like take a break as

1:18:32

a band or just take a second that's when I will

1:18:35

I feel like I'll have the perfect inspiration to do

1:18:37

something but I think about my acting career I'm on

1:18:39

your IMDB right now pretty impressive there we go yeah

1:18:42

I was thinking though I think I was thinking recently

1:18:44

I was like you know I've always been someone

1:18:46

who like you know tries to act

1:18:48

or like in like dramas or

1:18:50

something but I feel like I'm gonna

1:18:52

do comedy I mean I think you like

1:18:55

I feel like I don't need to be

1:18:57

on the drama train it's like let's go

1:18:59

comedy if I if I start acting again

1:19:03

so yes okay I don't know we've killed enough

1:19:05

people in the crime shows yeah we're chillin but

1:19:07

no yeah I don't know if I'll act anytime

1:19:09

soon but we'll see I mean if anything I

1:19:11

want to join the PGA tour dude

1:19:14

this guy's no joke at golfing it's a lot of money

1:19:16

he made yeah no I can't Scotty

1:19:18

Scheffler will win every time but

1:19:22

no I'm kidding I love golf so

1:19:24

he'll golf all act what do you think do

1:19:26

and all those time off I'm gonna chill I'll

1:19:29

probably just keep I'll just play tennis yeah yeah

1:19:32

I played tennis against randos in LA you might

1:19:34

know him as his name Carlos Alcarazos it's weird

1:19:36

I have another friend who does that

1:19:38

too I can connect to you if you need

1:19:40

like doesn't want to play with yeah that would

1:19:42

be great it's fun like weird yeah I've like

1:19:44

we all are weird it's weird cuz like when

1:19:46

I was a kid I played sports as a

1:19:49

lot of people do and I think

1:19:51

such an underrated aspect of life as

1:19:54

an adult is having yeah

1:19:56

sport like competing in some sense

1:19:58

or having having a coach.

1:20:01

Interesting. Like we take lessons, me and my

1:20:03

buddy Milo take lessons with this dude named

1:20:06

Ben Brumko, shout out to Ben. And

1:20:09

it's so rewarding when like

1:20:11

you work on something

1:20:13

so caveman brain as like hitting

1:20:16

a tennis ball and then you get

1:20:18

better at it and they're like, oh, good job.

1:20:20

You're like, yes. It's like such a, it's such

1:20:22

an underrated like, like, I don't

1:20:25

know. I feel like when I was a kid,

1:20:27

if I understood the importance of like coaches and

1:20:29

teachers better like I would have been

1:20:31

like more young Sheldon or

1:20:33

something, you know, I don't know. What's

1:20:36

the goal with tennis now? Like, what are you, what are you

1:20:38

looking to do? You got a match today, right? Cool. I

1:20:41

have a match after this with a random

1:20:43

person and it's going to be fun. You

1:20:45

have a coach like just to play with

1:20:47

strangers or are you going to like compete?

1:20:49

Literally the entirety of my tennis experience is

1:20:51

just having fun. And

1:20:53

I like, it's like golden retriever.

1:20:55

Like I just, I run around and chase a tennis

1:20:57

ball around and I just love it. And it's so

1:20:59

fun. Do you use an app to connect with people

1:21:02

to play with? There's UTR,

1:21:04

which is like a, there's USDA, which

1:21:06

is like pretty formal and there's rankings and UTR is

1:21:08

a little more kind of like do it yourself. You're

1:21:10

assigned a ranking based on how you play. And then

1:21:12

like, I'm literally in a league where

1:21:15

I'm paired with strangers in LA who are like

1:21:17

a similar enough level. And then like

1:21:19

on your own time you connect and like schedule a match

1:21:21

somewhere and then you play the match

1:21:23

and then you say thank you for the match and then you go

1:21:25

home. Wow. I think you

1:21:27

never talk to him again. Yeah. What's up? You

1:21:30

never talk to him again. Never. I mean,

1:21:33

I, I, I'm friendly. I don't take it

1:21:35

that seriously. I think some people ask like

1:21:37

it's fucking Wimbledon when you show up. They've

1:21:39

got like their racquet bag. I'm showing up

1:21:41

with like my rackets in my hand and

1:21:43

like a shitty backpack, you know, but

1:21:45

yeah, it's, it's so much fun. It's, it's just,

1:21:47

yeah. You're going to find yourself at like one

1:21:50

of those huge tennis things and be like, why

1:21:52

is my shitty ass here right now? Great.

1:21:54

Yeah. You're like, that

1:21:56

would be my wildest dream. Wildest for

1:21:59

you. Then enjoy it and

1:22:01

yeah, I'll. See you must know

1:22:03

all his music Funny Amazon. He's a clean

1:22:05

below code on screen thought my last question

1:22:08

is what happened in Canada? What

1:22:10

happened he knew that I would have their the

1:22:12

sorry around Canada fact that the great. Wall.

1:22:16

During. For the story like why that song of even

1:22:18

the recently started to be called Canada would are. We

1:22:21

going to have. Spoken. Since you're

1:22:23

doing, it isn't some way to who's gonna

1:22:26

lie. Low they're

1:22:28

like that song and the arms container that yeah

1:22:30

a lot of or fans notice obviously me like.

1:22:32

And. I'm from funny teases run the time

1:22:35

of Canada kind of for no reason, but

1:22:37

just because. But I'm ah, We.

1:22:39

Made it, we're writing it, We're ready such Monday with

1:22:41

this guy. neat Mercereau who like a guy, will have

1:22:43

to make music with. Sort.

1:22:46

Of like generational talent that guys

1:22:48

like a magician. It's insane. but

1:22:50

he. Turns.

1:22:52

On homes that like a good when is famously

1:22:55

ice time migrants and I'm Tom the guys and

1:22:57

sense But anyway. We're. This

1:22:59

idea going and then. We'd. Stay title is

1:23:01

unlimited time Really nice old radio liners

1:23:03

we're doing for like. No

1:23:05

alternative radio stations and dumb does one

1:23:07

like religions my on the brain the

1:23:09

he is on for some Canadian radio

1:23:11

station and every single one of he

1:23:13

takes every once or to they hey

1:23:15

Canada like everything the way he was

1:23:17

they are really funny or so We

1:23:19

just left Ostia that day. Or.

1:23:21

His place, but it's been called

1:23:24

Canada New. Ah, I'm by it.

1:23:27

And. Then like the idea was a strong aminu we're

1:23:29

going to make emulate we can imagine have been called

1:23:31

anything else like it just felt like. For.

1:23:33

Some reason that the it has a feeling

1:23:35

of being called Canada no idea why does

1:23:38

does but that also it's it's that owing

1:23:40

is about. Ah, I'm. Meeting.

1:23:43

And falling in love with my current girlfriend

1:23:45

and she also she's from Canada. So for

1:23:47

me it was like. Our has

1:23:49

a mean like obvious that's like that lives god

1:23:51

given I was getting called Canada but that's that's

1:23:53

now that as white audiences as a kind of

1:23:55

a double meaning. But. On that

1:23:58

sounds really cool I I verb. That's

1:24:00

one of our favorites for sure. It's a cool, I think it's a

1:24:02

cool one. Nate was on your apartment.

1:24:04

Is he on the entire album or

1:24:06

just a few songs? Just a few. Just a few.

1:24:08

Yeah. We love

1:24:10

writing with him though. Like we just,

1:24:12

he brings something good out of us.

1:24:14

Like it's hard to like go into

1:24:17

a writing session with someone and like

1:24:19

leave feeling like you

1:24:21

just challenge yourself, you feel inspired or like

1:24:23

whatever. Sometimes they feel kind of soul sucking.

1:24:26

But with him, it's like, I

1:24:29

don't know what he brings out of us, but

1:24:31

like, do we get really good ideas in there?

1:24:33

Yeah, I think like, if

1:24:35

I were to like analyze, like cook something

1:24:37

up about it for a second, like I

1:24:39

think he's really good at just like letting

1:24:42

it happen. Where like we

1:24:44

often will have just like super

1:24:47

like weird, dumb,

1:24:49

like, I wouldn't say bad, but

1:24:51

just like the most like random, I

1:24:53

like they pick up an instrument, it's like the

1:24:56

most random nonsense. He's really

1:24:58

good at sort of just like allowing

1:25:00

you to be as nonsensical as you want

1:25:02

and then kind of like reducing

1:25:04

it down to like something. And you're like, oh,

1:25:06

actually we made something really cool. We

1:25:08

made six cool ideas today somehow. And I don't

1:25:10

even know like what, like it's

1:25:12

very like meditative when we get to work with him.

1:25:15

That's a great way to describe it. Yeah. Oh,

1:25:17

from the weird way, I wouldn't want

1:25:19

to be a comedy actor. And

1:25:23

I really wouldn't actually, I was thinking about that.

1:25:25

I actually wouldn't want to be, I

1:25:27

don't want to be. I was thinking about all the movies and I

1:25:29

was like, you know what, I don't want, no, let's leave it to

1:25:31

like Will Ferrell. Anyway, name my

1:25:33

name. I really wouldn't

1:25:35

though. Perfect way to

1:25:38

round out that answer. That's the thing.

1:25:41

Model is going to be on Amazon music May 24th.

1:25:44

Link below to listen to all the Wahl's music. Plus

1:25:47

yeah, it's there. Amazon music. Anything

1:25:49

else? We covered a lot here. Yeah, that guy's

1:25:51

so much fun. I really enjoy it every second.

1:25:53

Please come back for every album. Yeah, I love

1:25:55

to see you. How where are our minds are

1:25:57

at then? I would love to. What's

1:26:00

going on? I'd love to see

1:26:02

it. Yeah, maybe you take on comedy. Who knows?

1:26:04

No, no. Just go take every day as it

1:26:06

comes. I really appreciate you guys very much for

1:26:08

giving us your time and energy. Yeah,

1:26:10

I like... No, just the water.

1:26:13

I've never met the two of you in person, right?

1:26:15

But I've known. Yeah. I've seen you at many social

1:26:18

gatherings. So recently I was like, we got to do

1:26:20

another interview. Let's do another and then here you are.

1:26:22

Right to see you guys in person. It's amazing. This

1:26:24

is really nice. Yeah. Thanks guys. You

1:26:26

had a great time. I

1:26:29

really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. You should. Listen,

1:26:32

listen, listen. It's there for you. Thank you

1:26:34

all. Thank you guys. Thank you all so much.

1:26:37

Thank you guys so much.