Really, what is the point of putting all this effort into what could be a very good podcast without any music? I think it's utterly pointless! I get that it's something about licensing but guys, there is an Elephant in the room! I was listening to some America guys with a series of podcasts on the top 100 records of all time, three or 4 guys shouting at each other about the plusses or minuses but no music to illustrate it, another bunch of guys, literally off track!