0:00

Oh geez, Dad, not the car again.

0:02

Oh, happens all the time with old Betsy. Have

0:04

you checked out Carvana yet? They have thousands

0:07

of cars for under $20,000. But

0:09

do those thousands of cars have personality

0:11

like old Betsy? Betsy is held together by

0:14

tape. And there are raccoons living in the engine. Psh,

0:16

it's a family car. Uh, there are flames

0:18

on the hood. Ah, custom paint job. No,

0:20

Dad, the car's on fire.

0:22

How many cars did you say Carvana had? Visit

0:24

carvana.com to shop thousands of cars

0:26

for under $20,000. We'll drive you

0:28

happy at Carvana.

0:30

Why would you break into these apartments? For

0:33

money, for drugs, whatever was in there.

0:36

Weren't you afraid of getting caught at doing

0:38

this? No. Who's gonna

0:40

catch us? We're

0:42

the police. It

0:44

was the height of the crack era. And instead

0:47

of locking up drug dealers, some New

0:49

York City cops had become them. I

0:52

would suit up in my uniform

0:54

and we're gonna rob some drug dealers.

0:57

And I know how to do it really

0:59

well.

1:00

This is the inside story of

1:02

the biggest police corruption scandal in

1:04

NYPD history. And the investigation

1:07

that uncovered it all. Did you consider yourself

1:10

a rat? 100%. I

1:12

saved my soul just like everybody else does.

1:15

Listen to and follow The Set, an

1:17

Odyssey Originals documentary podcast

1:19

series available now on the Odyssey app, Apple

1:21

Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows.

1:24

I'm not a bad guy, man, but I

1:26

loved being that dirty mother****er.

1:50

Listener

1:54

discretion is advised. Testing,

2:01

testing, one, two, check one, two, check one, two.

2:05

Cool cucumbers coordinating the Queen. Checking,

2:09

checking.

2:19

And we're live. Welcome

2:22

to Radio Rental. We're back for

2:24

a few more questions. That's

2:26

right. Ask and ye shall receive.

2:30

Yes, who's next? You're on

2:32

the air.

2:34

Bell, it's not really, it's

2:36

recorded, but you get

2:38

the idea. Talk to me. Hi,

2:41

Terry. This is Thor. I'm

2:44

picking up a new car soon

2:46

here, so I'm just wondering if you have any suggestions

2:49

on what type of car I

2:51

should buy for a truck, if that's your preference.

2:53

Thanks. Bye. Thank you so much

2:55

for your call, Thor. And

2:58

for your question, Thor. Let's

3:02

see, that's your name, Thor.

3:04

So to answer

3:06

your question, I think, you

3:10

know, I'm sorry, I

3:13

can't answer the question. Your name is Thor.

3:15

Your actual name is Thor. You're

3:18

named after a Norse god.

3:20

I'm so sorry. I'm

3:23

sorry, little burp. What

3:26

was the question again? What kind of car should I

3:28

think you need a Hummer, a car hefty enough

3:31

to carry your hammer around?

3:34

Okay, thanks for your call, Thor.

3:38

Your name is probably like Brad.

3:43

Anyway, thank you for your call and good luck in your car

3:45

search. Maybe

3:48

this is more of a question for Taika Waititi or

3:50

Chris Hemsworth. I don't know. Peace

3:54

out. Actually, let's watch a new scary

3:57

tape, shall we? And remember, these

3:59

are all one-way.

3:59

100% real.

4:09

I would have been in my late 20s, dating

4:12

my girlfriend, now wife. One

4:15

of the things we were excited to plan this

4:17

particular summer was

4:20

to take a trip out to visit a

4:22

college friend of mine, celebrating

4:24

her 30th birthday. She

4:28

had moved out of the Bay Area

4:31

to this tiny town in Virginia. She

4:34

had bought this house with this big

4:36

yard, something it

4:38

was impossible to do around here.

4:41

My girlfriend and I used it as an opportunity to

4:43

take a bit of a road trip. My

4:47

girlfriend and I had to decide where to stay.

4:51

The close option was a bed and

4:53

breakfast that was up the street from

4:55

her house. When

4:58

we got there, there was no real local scene to speak

5:00

of. I mean, even the main street had a post

5:02

office and an old-timing general store, and

5:05

not much else.

5:07

Rolling hillsides and a wooded

5:09

area, again, sort of just off the city

5:11

limits.

5:14

Pulled up in front of this two-story

5:16

house, no real neighbors to

5:18

speak of.

5:21

So we unloaded our bags and walked

5:23

up, knocked on the front door. The

5:26

man who came to the door was the one I'd been

5:28

emailing with to make the reservation.

5:31

Introduced himself as the owner

5:33

of the Airbnb, happy to have us. He

5:37

was a really big guy. The

5:40

first detail that jumped out were these bright

5:42

red suspenders that he had, firm

5:45

handshake and a bit of

5:47

an imposing guy. Seemed

5:51

happy to have us, brought us in, had

5:53

us put our stuff down and walk us around. He

5:56

toured us through the main room. When you first walked

5:58

in, we had a fireplace. a couple chairs to

6:00

sit. Walked us into the kitchen,

6:02

which had a back screen door out

6:05

to a backyard.

6:07

He said that his wife was out

6:09

back on the riding mower, so we'd have

6:11

to meet her later. The

6:14

curious thing I noticed in that moment,

6:16

though, was I didn't hear any mower

6:18

going and didn't see anyone

6:20

in the backyard.

6:22

He toured us around the kitchen, reiterated

6:24

that he was going to be cooking breakfast for us,

6:27

as you do, had a bed and breakfast,

6:30

and what time it was going

6:32

to be available, and what menu

6:34

to expect. And I said, I

6:36

think I forgot to mention this over email, but

6:39

the whole reason we're out here is because my friend

6:41

is going to be cooking every meal for

6:44

us. She even created a whole menu

6:46

for every meal of the day, breakfast, lunch, and

6:48

dinner, had them printed. So

6:50

I'm really, really sorry.

6:53

I assume you have other guests. And

6:55

he said, yeah, we're actually full. You're lucky

6:58

that you booked the room. So

7:00

I said, well, more for them. His

7:04

demeanor changed really quickly.

7:07

He got pretty cold. Didn't

7:09

seem to really be registering what I was saying,

7:11

almost like it wasn't computing that I

7:14

could want to skip breakfast

7:17

there.

7:18

Awkward silence. We kind of left it at that.

7:21

I think I mumbled sorry again one more time, but

7:23

I felt like I was making it awkward.

7:27

On the way up to the stairwell, up to the guest rooms,

7:30

he led us past a door. He said,

7:32

led down to the basement.

7:35

That's

7:35

where mother lived. So please

7:37

don't open that door for any reason. We'll go

7:39

down there. And I said, of course.

7:43

We both caught each other's eyes. And

7:45

without saying anything, we're a little alarmed.

7:49

It's something you hear someone say in a horror movie. It

7:52

was a very dark hallway. Closed

7:55

doors to maybe four or five

7:57

guest rooms. Ours

8:00

was at the end of the hall. He

8:03

showed us in, we put our bags down, closed

8:06

the door. My wife noticed

8:08

it was a pretty flimsy lock, but

8:11

it was an old house, you know, the stairs

8:13

creaked. The door creaked even when we closed

8:15

it. What we

8:18

wanted to do was get cleaned up, get ready,

8:20

go over to my friend's house down the street

8:22

for the start of her birthday weekend.

8:26

I was getting ready and was ready to go first,

8:29

and my wife was taking a shower, and there was

8:31

a knock on the door.

8:33

I open it and in that dark hallway

8:35

our host is standing

8:38

there, just kind

8:40

of looming. I

8:42

say, oh, hi, what can

8:45

I do for you? After

8:48

another awkward silence, he said,

8:51

I have a group of friends who

8:54

get together in the woods to

8:56

play poker. We're

8:59

meeting there tonight. Would

9:01

you like to come with me? No,

9:05

thanks. I have plans. Appreciate

9:08

the offer. His

9:12

face got very impassive in

9:15

a very sort of flat voice. Said,

9:19

have a good night. Backed

9:21

into the darkness of the hallway and went downstairs.

9:26

We walked over to my friend's house. It

9:28

was a good time. My friend had put

9:30

together this great menu. I met these

9:33

other couples who were staying at the house, played

9:35

games, conversation, some drinks.

9:39

It was pretty late and pretty dark when we decided

9:42

to go back.

9:44

We

9:44

made it back to the house and Gingerly

9:47

walked up the front steps and opened the door with the

9:49

key we'd been given, trying not to wake anyone up.

9:52

We made it to the room and closed the door.

9:56

As we were getting ready for bed, I

9:58

noticed on top of the dress.

9:59

there was a single

10:02

cupcake. Then

10:05

beneath it was a folded card,

10:08

and it said, for Alex. I

10:12

was pretty creeped out by that. It

10:17

felt like a lot of attention I was

10:19

getting from this stranger that

10:22

I didn't want. I

10:24

didn't eat the cupcake. I

10:27

threw

10:27

it away mixed with some other trash or something so

10:29

that he wouldn't find it in the waste basket and

10:32

hurt his feelings somehow that I didn't accept his

10:34

gift. I was

10:36

jokingly saying I should put the chair up

10:38

under the doorknob to the hotel room like

10:40

they do in the movies or the cartoons. My

10:44

girlfriend and I agreed that we should probably do

10:46

that.

10:48

The next morning, my wife is getting ready.

10:51

I go downstairs. The kitchen

10:54

is full of smells. A

10:56

basket of scones, a tray of bacon,

10:59

scrambled eggs, fresh fruit. Our

11:02

host is there cooking away, making

11:05

all of this. I say good

11:07

morning. He takes

11:09

a minute to respond. Instead

11:11

of good morning, he responds with, you

11:14

had a late night.

11:17

Oh, yeah, sorry. I hope we didn't

11:19

wake you up. We were trying our best not to.

11:23

I was up. Then

11:26

turned and offered me a plate, a knife and fork, and

11:28

told me to help myself. Sorry,

11:32

I'm about to go eat a huge breakfast at my friends.

11:35

I really shouldn't. He

11:39

just kind of stared at me. The

11:42

awkwardness filled the room. I

11:47

didn't know what to do, how to respond

11:49

in that situation. Right

11:52

or wrong, I took the plate and

11:54

I put food on the plate and

11:56

started to eat. The whole time

11:58

he's standing there across the floor, the kitchen island, staring

12:02

at me, watching

12:04

me, very

12:07

strange.

12:09

I tried to make some small talk, some conversation

12:11

about the other guests, making

12:13

sure that there was plenty for them.

12:16

He said, don't worry,

12:18

I made this for you. No

12:22

other guests came down for breakfast.

12:25

I didn't hear anyone upstairs closing

12:28

a door, coming down to go out

12:30

for the day. I did

12:32

the only thing I could do, not knowing how

12:34

to get out of the situation. I finished the

12:37

plate of breakfast. My

12:40

girlfriend came down the stairs and was ready

12:43

to go, and I was more than ready to go. I

12:46

said, thank you, that was great.

12:48

And we left.

12:52

My friend was having a great time, and

12:54

the drinks were flowing, and we stayed

12:57

later even than the night before. We

13:00

parted ways. We said we were taking off first

13:02

thing in the morning in the rental car back to the airport.

13:06

The difference from the night before

13:08

looked like there was a light on in the living

13:11

room area right when you first enter the house. We're

13:14

trying not to be rude, but it looks like someone's up.

13:17

We open the door. There's a fireplace

13:20

going, and next to the fireplace is this big

13:22

sort of overstuffed armchair and

13:25

our host with a laptop

13:27

in front of him.

13:29

He looked angry.

13:31

Offly

13:35

late, don't you think? Sorry,

13:39

I hope you weren't waiting up for us. We

13:42

were just having a good time. It was our last night with our friend.

13:46

No, he hadn't been staying up for us. He

13:48

was doing work. My

13:52

wife and I are sidling around the room

13:54

a bit to get over closer to the doorway

13:57

that's next to him that would lead up to the stairs

13:59

in our room.

13:59

just because his whole demeanor,

14:02

his whole

14:03

body language, his facial expression was all very

14:05

cold.

14:07

It felt very strange. One

14:11

of us tried to make conversation and asked

14:13

him, what are you working

14:16

on? He

14:18

said running a bed and breakfast

14:20

was something he enjoyed,

14:23

but his real passion

14:25

was studying serial killers.

14:30

Studying their murders, their methods, profiles

14:35

of the victims, weapons,

14:39

psychological tactics. This

14:42

was what he was truly passionate

14:45

about.

14:48

I could tell my girlfriend was

14:50

freaking out. I was still trying

14:52

to get us out of the room, but also do it in

14:54

a way that didn't piss him off. He

14:57

said, yeah, on the message boards that I'm

14:59

on, I'm known as something of an expert.

15:04

I've had people who are writing books or

15:06

even writing a TV show reach out to me because

15:08

I have such an extensive

15:11

database. It's

15:13

how I spend all my evenings. He

15:17

paused and

15:18

looked at me with very

15:21

intense eyes

15:24

and said, I can

15:26

show you if you want.

15:31

There was something in that that didn't feel

15:33

just like him turning his laptop

15:35

around and showing me what project or

15:38

case he was examining. It felt

15:40

like he could show me a lot

15:43

more.

15:46

My wife and I felt like we might be

15:48

in danger. He's

15:51

going

15:51

on about serial killers. His

15:54

affect is totally bizarre.

15:56

As far as we know, we're the only ones in the

15:58

house. We

16:00

haven't seen any guests. We

16:03

haven't seen mother. We

16:05

haven't seen a wife. It's

16:08

a dark country road. There

16:11

are no neighbors nearby. It's

16:14

late. He's

16:16

going on about murders. Who

16:21

are his friends in the woods? Does

16:23

he have other folks in the area

16:26

who are also fascinated with serial

16:28

killers? What do they get together and talk about?

16:32

Why the cupcake just for me? Why

16:37

the fixation on just me and almost ignoring

16:39

my wife the entire time? I

16:43

couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't make any

16:46

more small talk.

16:48

Pushed my girlfriend into the hallway

16:50

first and then we both just

16:53

bolted up the staircase. Instead

16:57

of pushing a chair up against the door, we

17:00

actually together shoved the dresser up

17:02

against the door.

17:05

We agreed we were going to try

17:07

and get a little sleep, but we were getting out

17:09

of there as soon as we could first thing in the morning.

17:14

The sun was coming up. One

17:16

of us woke the other up, quietly

17:18

packed our stuff. When

17:21

we went to move the dresser, the

17:24

door had been opened.

17:28

The dresser had stopped it. The

17:32

lock had been dodgy

17:35

at best, but did

17:38

he try and come into our room the night before

17:40

while we were asleep? I don't know.

17:43

Was I letting my imagination run wild? I

17:46

don't know. We

17:49

moved the dresser back as carefully and quietly

17:51

as possible. We

17:53

leave the dark hallway. Unlike

17:57

the prior couple of days where the doors had all been

17:59

closed, I noticed very quickly

18:01

before we went downstairs that a couple of those doors

18:04

were open for the other guest rooms. I

18:07

didn't see any evidence of anyone staying

18:09

in them. No

18:12

suitcase, no rumpled bed. We

18:16

made it downstairs, booking it through

18:19

the living room out the front door. As

18:21

we were doing that, what we heard were very

18:24

heavy footsteps coming

18:26

up slowly from the basement to

18:29

that door that he told us not to open.

18:33

It had to be him. Big

18:37

guy, heavy footsteps. We

18:41

ran out the front. Threw

18:44

the stuff in the car, fired it up, guys

18:47

left the house key, tossed

18:49

it on the floor on our way out. Got

18:52

out of there. The

18:57

license plate on the guy's sort of old

18:59

car out front read

19:02

Nightwolf. At

19:05

some point I looked up missing persons

19:08

database for that area and

19:11

there are probably nine people that have gone missing

19:13

over what looked like a 15-20 year period. It

19:19

scares me to think about it. I

19:22

think we escaped a serial killer.

19:38

Radio rental will be back after this quick

19:40

break. This

19:47

summer romance sends waves

19:49

down the waterfront. A new

19:51

blockbuster film has everyone above.

19:55

Young love burns bright in the

19:57

sci-fi rom-com psychological

19:59

thriller,

19:59

period peace. My summer

20:02

on Ripple Creek. In 1901,

20:04

young Annie finds a note in a bottle washed

20:06

ashore and promptly falls in love with the writer.

20:09

Only later discovers the bottle has fallen

20:11

through a wormhole from the future. And

20:14

the writer is actually Chat

20:16

GPT. Unable to explain

20:19

what Chat GPT is to the rioting,

20:22

townspeople Annie is ripped from her family's

20:24

seaside mansion and burned at the stake as

20:26

a witch, while in reality she is

20:28

a hero, standing

20:29

for technological advances and harmony

20:32

between machine and human. My

20:35

summer on Ripple Creek is a story we can all relate

20:37

to when of young love and the complications

20:40

around it.

20:41

Critics are calling my summer on Ripple Creek

20:44

perfect for the airplane and

20:47

needlessly ambitious and

20:50

Wuthering Heights meets Severance

20:55

meets something else.

20:56

But you can decide for yourself. Check out my

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And we're back. Reveal

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yourself to me. Hi,

24:00

Terri, this is Madeline. I

24:03

heard you were giving out some dating advice, so

24:05

I just wanted to ask you a quick question.

24:08

My boyfriend and I have been dating

24:10

for like five or six months, and

24:12

he hasn't said I love you yet. But

24:15

I just wanted to know how

24:17

long should I wait for someone before

24:20

addressing it or anything related to

24:22

that? Yeah,

24:25

thanks. Let me know what you think.

24:26

Madeline, thank you so

24:28

much for calling. Wow,

24:30

five months and your boyfriend hasn't said I love

24:33

you yet. You know what? This

24:35

is what men truly respond

24:38

to. They respond

24:40

to a kind of a smothering

24:43

pressure for commitment. First,

24:46

I wouldn't be so direct. I would be more passive-aggressive

24:49

and just be like, oh, if

24:51

he says like, I love pancakes, you can say, oh, you

24:54

love pancakes. You

24:56

know, a lot of side-winder comments

25:00

often get the job done. So

25:03

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25:06

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25:08

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25:11

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25:15

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25:18

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25:21

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25:23

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25:25

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25:26

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25:28

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25:31

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25:33

he want children? Try

25:36

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25:38

the deepest possible commitment as

25:41

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25:44

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25:46

they truly, they may say they

25:48

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25:50

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25:53

have it. There you go.

25:56

I'm sure he'll be saying I love

25:58

you and you'll be married in no time. and pretty

26:00

soon let us know when wedding bells ring and

26:03

you'll be popping up three or four babies. So

26:07

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26:09

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26:13

if I can only fix my toaster oven and

26:16

my receding hairline. Okay, enough about that.

26:18

Next tape. Okay.

26:29

My best friend and I, we

26:32

spend a lot of time car camping. We

26:34

do a ton of hiking just

26:37

on a normal regular basis.

26:40

We do spend a lot of time outdoors.

26:45

It was the summer of 2016 when this happened. I

26:50

was probably in my early thirties.

26:54

I had just moved in with my best friend. We

26:58

decided we wanted to take an impromptu

27:00

road trip, but we wanted to do something

27:02

that was a little bit more wild. So

27:07

we opted to fly to San

27:10

Diego and

27:12

spend 10 days backpacking, hiking,

27:15

whatever. And

27:17

we took 10 days to get

27:19

to Seattle. We

27:24

decided that we were going to camp

27:27

after trail running that night. It

27:30

was day seven. I

27:33

did break my ankle that

27:35

day.

27:38

I hobbled back to the car and I remember

27:40

telling Mindy, I

27:42

don't know if I'm gonna be able to hike the

27:45

rest of this trip.

27:48

It's hard for me to walk, but I'm absolutely

27:50

gonna give it a go.

27:52

And she said, okay, well maybe we'll find a campsite

27:55

different from where we were planning that

27:57

is close to Tunnel Falls so

27:59

we don't.

27:59

have to make a bigger trip. Maybe that'll

28:02

help because it's a 13-mile round-trip hike.

28:05

It's strenuous, it's really hot,

28:07

but you're going to want all of your energy, so let's try

28:09

and sleep in in the morning.

28:14

We were driving for about 30 minutes

28:16

on this very small, two-lane,

28:20

back country highway that was very

28:22

dibited. It had a lot of cracks,

28:25

it was super bumpy, it

28:27

was not safe to be driving over 30 miles

28:30

an hour, especially in

28:32

the tiny little car that we had rented.

28:34

We

28:37

get to our campsite, me

28:40

with the busted foot, I'm thinking along the lines

28:42

of, let's find something close to the road.

28:46

There's nobody else out there. We hadn't seen

28:48

another car in over 30 minutes

28:50

from this time that we left a very small town

28:53

to get to where we were in the middle of nowhere.

28:58

Once we got to this

29:00

campsite, we thought, here

29:02

we are, we're in this beautiful forest,

29:05

let's enjoy it, let's go ahead and eat dinner,

29:07

let's set up our camp. But

29:10

I immediately knew when we pulled in,

29:12

I didn't feel comfortable. Everything

29:16

was so thick, the

29:18

forest was thick, the air was thick, and

29:21

there were no storms. It

29:24

was completely clear. Everything

29:27

about this place was just odd.

29:29

I

29:32

thought to myself, I'm just being overreactive,

29:35

I just busted my ankle, we're going to try

29:37

and hike in the morning, we're

29:39

tired, you know, we're almost at the end of our

29:41

trip. So I need to

29:43

just settle down, let's go ahead and

29:45

set up.

29:49

Mindy did take a photo of

29:51

our campsite and posted it on Facebook

29:54

for all of our friends to see with

29:56

a little bit of service she had, but it

29:58

took about an hour for that.

29:59

photo to download so we knew service

30:03

wasn't good back here. We

30:07

set up the camp, we ate dinner, and

30:09

at about 5 36 Mindy goes,

30:11

you know I'm exhausted, I'm gonna crawl in, it's

30:14

time to go to bed.

30:15

And I said okay I'm

30:17

gonna do the same.

30:20

We crawl into the tent, there's still

30:22

light out because it doesn't get dark until about 8 30.

30:27

So we zip up the tent and we

30:29

have a dome on so you can't see anything but

30:31

I can hear

30:33

everything. There's

30:35

birds chirping, there's squirrels running around

30:37

in these dead leaves on the floor, there's

30:41

so much noise that I can't

30:43

get comfortable, I can't relax.

30:48

I keep hearing these loud cracks, loud

30:50

bangs outside my tent.

30:54

But they're not like a gunshot, it sounds

30:57

like tree limbs falling. There

31:01

could be a bear, there could be a fox,

31:04

it could be anything. But again

31:06

Mindy and I are used to being outdoors so

31:08

this wasn't something that was uncommon.

31:12

I knew what to expect and I knew that

31:14

eventually they kind of get curious but they'll wander

31:17

away, it's not a big deal. But

31:19

for some reason this night I could

31:22

not let it go. About 8

31:28

o'clock I

31:29

noticed that I'm just not going to go to sleep

31:31

and I start thinking to myself I don't want to

31:33

be bare food, nor do I want to

31:35

be hunted by whatever

31:37

it is that's out there. So

31:40

let me get the car and move

31:42

it closer to the tent. I

31:46

crawled out of the tent, hobbled to the car, reversed

31:48

it back towards the tent and Mindy comes flying out.

31:50

Oh my gosh, what are you doing? Are

31:53

you okay? Have

31:55

you lost your mind? No,

32:01

I just thought that if the car is closer,

32:03

I wouldn't have to hobble as far

32:06

if we were running. Running

32:09

from what? I

32:12

don't know. This

32:15

is the scariest I've ever felt camping.

32:21

But I think it would be better if we slept in

32:23

the car. If

32:26

we sleep in the car, there's a better chance

32:29

that I'm going to stay asleep. And

32:32

she says, let's do that. Let's get in the car.

32:35

Let's take everything out except the tent and

32:37

our sleeping pads.

32:39

So we gather everything we can and

32:41

the light is starting to get dimmer. It's

32:45

starting to get to where like 815,

32:48

830 where that sun is setting and there is nothing

32:50

else out here. There's no street lights.

32:52

There's no camp lights. There's no other campers that we've

32:55

heard. There's no other cars that have passed

32:57

us.

32:59

We've got the windows cracked. There's enough air

33:01

coming in. We've got those seats leaned

33:03

back and I'm in the driver's seat. I

33:06

told Mindy if I wake up and I want to leave,

33:08

I'm going to go. And

33:11

she's like, why? And I'm like, I don't

33:13

know. Everything about this place scares

33:16

me. We

33:20

put on the most boring podcast we can find

33:23

and we're out. Fast

33:28

forward. It's

33:32

pitch black. Only the moon is

33:34

in the sky and it's kind of peeking

33:36

through the trees. The

33:39

air still feels thick. In fact,

33:41

it feels thicker. There's

33:44

fog rolling in. There's

33:47

no storms. There's no wind. It's

33:49

just a very light breeze that you can hear

33:51

every once in a while hitting the trees.

33:55

Off to the side of the

33:57

driver's side of the car, I can hear.

34:00

Crunching. Like

34:03

somebody walking through the trees. It

34:08

sounds like a

34:10

grown man, over 200

34:12

pounds, stepping

34:15

on tree branches. It's

34:18

very slow and methodical. It's

34:20

not in a normal

34:22

pace. Crunching.

34:28

This isn't normal. This isn't right. I'm

34:32

going to just slowly sit up

34:35

and see if I can see an animal roaming around

34:37

the camp. I

34:41

sit the car seat up. I pull my feet

34:43

out very, very slowly out of the sleeping bag.

34:45

I'm trying to slow my heart down.

34:49

The moon is just peeking through enough

34:51

that you can see some shadows. I

34:54

don't see a thing. There's

34:56

nothing around the car and it's a little car. I'm

35:01

in the open except for this weird

35:03

barrier of forest that's all the way around us and

35:05

it's thick. It

35:08

is dark.

35:11

And there is that crunching. And

35:15

it's coming from my side of the car.

35:20

What is going on? I cannot be imagining

35:22

this. I

35:25

grab the keys. I

35:29

can hear these footsteps outside of the car. I

35:33

don't see anything in the clearing. I don't see anything leading

35:35

out to this little highway. I

35:39

don't see anything except all of a sudden, out

35:44

of nowhere in the trees, I see

35:46

light. Light.

35:52

This dim green orb

35:54

from way back in the forest.

35:59

It doesn't look like it. It was like a flashlight. It

36:02

was like an orb. It

36:04

had light going from all directions. Maybe

36:08

a lantern? But again, who's

36:11

out in the forest at midnight stalking

36:13

through a BLM campground

36:16

with two women in a car?

36:19

That seems kind of strange to me. The

36:25

light is approaching and it's approaching slowly,

36:27

but I can see it coming through the trees and I don't see

36:30

the shadow of a person. I don't see the shadow

36:32

of an animal. I don't see

36:34

any shadows of anything like pushing

36:37

through the trees, moving

36:39

the tree limbs, but I still hear that loud crunch.

36:43

And then I start thinking a bear's not gonna have

36:45

a light. Mountain lion's not gonna carry

36:48

a light.

36:51

I start panicking, so I immediately

36:53

slap Mindy awake.

36:56

Mindy, get up and I'm trying to whisper.

37:00

Mindy, I need you to wake up.

37:04

She sits up and she looks over and just

37:06

kind of clears her eyes and she goes,

37:09

what the fuck is that? Get

37:14

the fuck out of here. I

37:19

have those keys. I jam them in and

37:21

we are gone. I didn't

37:24

have a chance to look and see what

37:26

the lights were. I didn't have a chance to get our

37:28

tent in the car. We

37:31

were gone down that two lane highway

37:33

going 60 miles an hour. So

37:35

fast, I'm pretty sure I bottomed that little car

37:37

out twice.

37:41

It was terrifying. My heart is

37:44

going as fast as I've ever felt. I

37:46

couldn't get my breathing to slow down. Both

37:49

of us looked at each other. What was that? What was that?

37:52

We can't figure out what that

37:54

was.

37:56

It was coming at us, but

37:59

there was no. a discernible way to figure

38:01

out if it was a person or if it was something

38:03

else. That light

38:05

was so odd, it was green, it was glowing,

38:08

and it was just coming at us.

38:12

We agree that it's probably best if we

38:15

just head into town. We don't wanna go back

38:17

to that campsite, we don't wanna sleep out there.

38:19

Screw it, we'll drive all

38:21

morning if we have to. We

38:26

get to town, we pull into a Sherry's Diner,

38:29

we agree we're gonna have pie, let's just

38:31

calm down. Let's just

38:34

think about this, it was probably somebody coming

38:36

through the woods with a lantern, they were probably

38:38

just looking for a campsite, maybe somebody rolled in while

38:40

we were sleeping.

38:43

We just kinda sat there for a second and Mindy

38:45

gets onto her Facebook,

38:47

and she goes, oh my

38:51

God. One

38:54

of her friends who happens to be a full-blooded

38:57

Native American had commented,

39:01

watch out for the lights in the woods.

39:07

We both

39:07

just jaw on the floor. She

39:12

says, let me maybe reach out and see if

39:14

he's awake. I know it's three o'clock in the morning here,

39:18

but he was awake. He

39:21

sent us a video that

39:24

was all about these lights in the

39:27

Tahoma region.

39:27

Crazy

39:30

sightings of lights that are unexplained that

39:32

nobody knows anything about, it's not some random

39:35

dude for the last 120 years

39:37

going around with a lantern freaking people out.

39:42

So we continued talking to him and he just said, yeah,

39:44

there's a lot of unexplained lights, a lot of unexplained

39:47

happenings. Some think it's aliens,

39:50

some think it's ghosts.

39:54

The

39:54

next day we decided we would go back

39:56

and get our tent. It

39:59

was the creepiest way to get out of the woods.

40:00

to come in. It was light out. It was

40:02

about nine in the morning.

40:04

We get to the campsite and everything is

40:07

so undisturbed. It is

40:08

eerie. And

40:11

that forest still feels thick

40:13

and heavy. And it's the middle of the day. The sun

40:16

is shining. It's beautiful.

40:19

The tent is undisturbed and it's open so

40:21

neatly and nicely that I'm like, did somebody

40:24

come by or did we do that?

40:27

I

40:27

don't remember getting out of the tent and rolling it

40:29

up that nicely. Our

40:32

mats are set up, tents open. It

40:35

was the quickest I think we've ever torn

40:37

down camp because we were

40:39

still so uncomfortable in broad daylight.

40:44

Even people that were near that area

40:46

say, oh yeah, we don't go over there. We've

40:49

just heard a lot of bad things.

40:52

Me

40:52

and my best friend look up more and we're starting

40:54

to see that people have disappeared in these woods

40:56

at some point. We

40:58

see that people have gone on spirit walks and never

41:00

returned. Some

41:02

crazy stuff.

41:05

We still cannot find this

41:07

logical explanation for whatever it was

41:10

that came through the woods at us that evening. I

41:13

didn't feel like it was coming after us to

41:15

say hello.

41:17

I felt like it was coming after us to get

41:20

us out of his campsite.

41:29

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