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2:00

Hello, hello, welcome to Radio Rental, the

2:04

video rental shop of your worst nightmares.

2:07

We have a collection of the scariest true

2:09

stories you've ever heard of.

2:11

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about that. I'm

2:18

your host and shop owner, Terry

2:20

Carnation, and well, today

2:22

I'm a little under the weather, so.

2:32

Actually, um, everyone here is

2:34

a little bit sick, so, um,

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bless you, Susie. Coz

2:40

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my niece Susie. Susie, wash your hands,

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please. No, no, don't

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2:59

sick and all the dominoes start to fall.

3:02

With a full house like we have here,

3:04

we really didn't stand a

3:06

chance. Okay,

3:09

Malachi, my cat has the worst of

3:11

it all. No,

3:14

no, no, no, back up, please. Socially

3:17

distance yourself. He's

3:19

so bad at personal boundaries. Actually

3:21

at all boundaries. We're working on

3:24

it in therapy. Yes, believe

3:26

it or not, we go to couples therapy, Malachi

3:28

and I. No,

3:30

oh, look, he's having

3:33

his snotty furry little snout

3:36

all over my leg. Yeah,

3:38

that's cute, Malachi, real cute. Thank

3:41

you. But it's not gonna

3:43

get you any brownie points in therapy. Oh,

3:48

sorry. Let's pop in a tape, shall

3:51

we? Okay.

4:00

I heard about an island that's

4:02

hard to get to in Wisconsin.

4:04

It's called Rock Island. Anyone

4:08

who's lived in Wisconsin knows about

4:10

Door County. Kind

4:12

of known for wine. It's kind of like this

4:15

getaway. But

4:17

if you kind of keep going up this peninsula

4:19

of Door County, you

4:21

could take a ferry to Washington

4:23

Island. But

4:25

then even past Washington Island,

4:28

you can take a people-only ferry.

4:31

You can go to Rock Island.

4:36

I like to go out into interesting

4:38

remote places to go camping. I

4:41

thought that'd be fun to go out to this

4:43

island, spend a couple days. That

4:45

was my plan. Do a little

4:48

hiking and just camp, relax

4:50

for a bit. It's

4:53

super remote. You're kind of

4:56

on your own once you get there. No

4:58

one's there to greet you or tell you where to

5:00

go or anything. I

5:03

reserved a campsite at Campsite E,

5:06

which is the furthest campsite. It's

5:09

a remote backpacking site. Farthest from the

5:12

dock. It

5:14

was about a mile hike. Set

5:17

up there, put my tent up,

5:20

build a fire. I

5:22

was getting a little later in the day. I was going

5:24

to make some dinner. I

5:26

have a couple drinks and a cigar. As

5:30

I was kind of setting up my fire, there

5:34

was this loud squeal in

5:37

the woods. It

5:41

sounded like an animal in pain or fighting.

5:46

There's not supposed to be large animals on the island

5:48

as far as I knew. It

5:51

was just startling. Look

5:54

through the woods, see what could have made that

5:57

noise. There was really nothing there, so, you know,

5:59

okay. I'll

6:01

go back to making my fire. Where

6:05

I was, campsite E, there's

6:07

these three remote campsites. CD

6:10

and E, they're

6:12

about 100 yards or so

6:15

separating each other. There's no

6:17

real path connecting them, but people walk along

6:19

the edge of the, kind of like a

6:21

cliff. Something

6:24

kind of caught my eye. I was making the fire.

6:29

I looked up and there

6:31

was this female, just kind

6:33

of running in my direction from

6:35

campsite C. And

6:39

I didn't really think much on that. I

6:42

went back to making my fire, and she got

6:44

closer. I wasn't

6:47

sure what she was doing. It wasn't really a trail you

6:49

would run on. It would kind of be dangerous to run

6:51

on that trail. So

6:54

I thought, is there something wrong? Is she

6:56

coming to tell me something? She

7:00

got a little closer. Then

7:03

I heard the squeal again. I looked

7:08

away from the woman running. I looked

7:11

back. There's

7:14

no one there. She

7:17

was just gone. I

7:20

was just convincing myself, okay, well, she

7:23

ran up a different trail or something I wasn't

7:25

aware of. At

7:29

one point, I've kind of walked down the

7:31

trail to see if I had any neighbors

7:33

camping with me. I

7:36

walked past site D. There's

7:39

nothing there. It's site D, so I kept

7:41

walking. And

7:43

there was this couple on site C. So

7:48

I just talked to them a little bit. I was

7:50

thinking about asking them if they knew who that woman

7:52

was. So

7:55

I didn't really get into that or the noises. I

7:57

just kind of felt weird about asking them that. I

8:01

went back to my campsite and had a

8:04

meal and a couple drinks

8:06

in the cigar and eventually

8:08

went to bed. I was

8:14

sleeping pretty good. 2.30 in the

8:18

morning or something.

8:21

This really big

8:23

thunder and lightning storm came through.

8:25

The wind

8:28

is whipping through, whipping

8:31

my tent. This

8:34

is a downpour. And

8:38

then I heard that squeal again. Nasty

8:42

noise. There's

8:46

something not normal about the noise.

8:48

I eventually

8:51

start hearing some

8:54

footsteps right

8:57

outside my tent. Heavy

9:01

footsteps crunching down on

9:04

dry twigs. I

9:08

was getting very

9:11

scared. Kind of work

9:13

out like, get out of here. The noise

9:17

kind of went away for a while. Just

9:21

kind of sat there. I had a knife with me. And

9:26

eventually just said, okay, you know, it's just an

9:28

animal. Just me being

9:30

stupid. I got scared

9:32

camping alone in the woods. It was

9:35

weird. That's all it was. I don't

9:40

know if I really got fully to sleep at night,

9:42

but I was laying until in the morning when

9:45

I had to get up. So

9:49

as I unzipped my tent and get out, I

9:52

noticed that the picnic table

9:54

that's provided by the site was

9:57

upside down. They're

10:00

big, heavy picnic tables. I

10:04

just kind of reasoned with myself that there

10:06

was a storm, it was very windy, maybe

10:09

it could have been blown over. At

10:13

the same time, you're just thinking, you know,

10:16

that doesn't really make sense. You'd

10:20

think I would have heard a picnic

10:22

table rolling over. I

10:26

was out there and had to move on with

10:28

my day. So

10:30

I started off on my hike, walking

10:35

for half an hour. I

10:38

just kind of hear weird noises, it wasn't

10:40

a squeal. Sounds

10:44

like a voice. Two

10:47

voices like talking. They

10:51

were a little far off. They

10:54

were low voices and it

10:57

wasn't English. I

10:59

couldn't really make out what it was. And

11:03

I'm getting closer to these voices. And

11:07

then out in the woods I hear very

11:10

low and guttural. I

11:16

heard from those voices in that area. It

11:20

sounded like they were responding back. So

11:28

I keep walking, I expected to come across these

11:30

guys. It

11:32

seemed like they were getting closer, I could hear them. I

11:37

never came across them. There's

11:41

only the one trail, so they couldn't have cut

11:43

off in a different direction or anything. It

11:47

just seemed weird. Long

11:52

day, eventually got back

11:54

to my campsite. Went

11:57

back into my tent to get some sleep. At

12:02

some point during the night, I just

12:05

woke up just

12:08

suddenly and

12:11

just being fully alert, just

12:14

had this feeling something

12:17

was wrong. So

12:20

I set up a

12:23

wave of dread consumed

12:27

me and then

12:31

I felt a presence.

12:35

There was something in the tent with

12:38

me. There

12:41

was no noises, nothing

12:43

in the tent that I could see. Whatever

12:49

was in the tent was seething

12:52

with anger. I

12:55

just felt something

12:58

bad was going to happen to

13:00

me. I

13:02

remember it smelled like garbage, like

13:06

rotten meat. I

13:11

was just frozen. I

13:14

could not move. I

13:16

couldn't do anything. My

13:19

mind was paralyzed. I

13:23

also felt controlled. It

13:27

was just the weirdest feeling of just

13:30

accepting whatever happens

13:32

next is going to be

13:34

a relief from this feeling that

13:36

I have right now. I

13:40

must have passed out. I

13:43

don't remember anything until I woke up the

13:45

next morning. Nothing

13:47

in the tent. I'm

13:51

leaving on the next boat off the

13:53

island. Packed

13:57

up everything as quickly as I could. There

14:01

was still some time I had to kill

14:03

before the boat would arrive. Started

14:07

smoking a cigar and sat on a bench. Trying

14:12

to reason through everything I had

14:14

experienced in the last couple days. Some

14:18

of the things are easier to

14:20

rationalize than other things. What

14:24

happened the night before, I just could not shrug off.

14:27

There was nothing I had ever experienced before.

14:32

As I was just kind of sitting there, I hear

14:36

this voice from behind me. This

14:39

guy is saying, hey. And

14:42

it just shook me out of the

14:44

zone I was in. This

14:48

guy came around and he's saying, sorry,

14:50

sorry, I didn't mean to scare you. I just

14:52

saw you smoking a cigar. Wondering

14:55

if I could borrow your lighter. Took

14:59

my lighter, put a cigarette and

15:01

handed it back to me. And

15:04

we just kind of started talking. I

15:07

hadn't talked to many people since I got there

15:09

on the island. So for two days, it was

15:12

kind of nice to talk to someone for a little

15:14

bit and just kind of get out of my head

15:17

thinking about what had happened, especially the

15:19

night before. So

15:22

I asked him where he was camping and he said, I reserved

15:25

campsite D, which would have been

15:27

right next to me. I

15:31

hadn't seen anyone there and I told him

15:33

that and he said, yeah, I

15:36

usually booked the site because he need to book a site to

15:38

get on the island. But he usually

15:40

camps either at the East cemetery or in the woods.

15:45

I thought that was kind of weird, just

15:48

camping outside of those designated

15:50

spaces. He

15:53

just kind of saw that I was shaking.

15:58

He asked me if I'd heard the noises. the

16:00

woods. And

16:02

I told him and heard the

16:04

squealing noises and asked him what

16:07

those noises were. He

16:10

just said, if you're shaken up

16:12

by the noises that you were heard hearing in the

16:14

woods, you definitely don't want to hear about what's

16:17

going on in the cemetery. He

16:21

said, there's

16:23

demons on the island. He

16:28

seemed happy about telling me. From

16:33

there, I just, I kind

16:36

of didn't want to talk to him anymore. I

16:39

felt done with the conversation. And it

16:43

was like a validation or confirmation

16:46

of what I knew was true that

16:48

night in the tent. I

16:54

didn't want to press him on anything because

16:56

everything I'd experienced, it

16:58

was like enough. I

17:01

didn't want to talk about it. I didn't want

17:03

any more information. I

17:05

just wanted to get off the island. And as

17:09

I'm getting up and leaving, again, he

17:13

goes, hey, don't

17:16

come back to this island. I'm

17:22

scared that

17:24

feeling of dread came over me.

17:30

I don't want to think that there

17:32

was a demon in my tent or

17:34

that there was any experience with a

17:36

demon anywhere on my trip. I

17:40

won't try to think of it

17:42

that way. The

17:44

only way to feel not afraid about

17:46

it is saying, I don't know. Definitely

17:50

never going back there. Do

17:53

not go to Rock Island. Mmm,

18:01

creepy. Or at least I think it

18:03

was creepy. I can't really hear anything over all

18:06

the post-nasal dripping going on in here. Use a

18:08

tissue, Malachi. Gah! Good,

18:12

now throw it into the void. I don't

18:14

want your germs in here. Oh, thanks, Voidy.

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was trying to get from downtown Long Beach,

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California, to Belmont Shores, two

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miles away, in the good

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side of town. Back

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beach all the time. That's how we got around.

20:42

Just stand on the corner and put your thumb out. Wait

20:45

for somebody to give you a ride. I

20:50

got a ride, this guy in a big white car. He's

20:53

kind of creepy looking, dude. They

20:56

just pulled up, said, where are you going? I'm

21:00

going to Belmont Shores. They

21:02

were like, OK, get in. So

21:05

I grabbed my backpack and my duffel bag and threw

21:07

it in the car and jumped in. We

21:11

were driving along, and he said, hey, I need to

21:13

stop over here at my cousin's house to pick up

21:15

the valiums. Is that OK? I

21:19

said, sure, no problem. Made

21:22

a left hand turn, drove about five blocks up. He

21:26

pulls up in front of the apartment. He

21:29

said, OK, I'll be back. He

21:32

went upstairs. I

21:35

was sitting down in the car. He

21:37

came back down, and he said, hey,

21:39

my cousin worked at the hospital.

21:43

He locked the valiums in his safe. I

21:46

paged him, and I'm waiting for him to call me back and

21:49

give him the combination. Would you like to come up and smoke

21:51

a joint? OK, sure. Following

21:56

up stairs, I went

21:59

inside. I sat down on the couch. Kind

22:03

of got a weird feeling. I

22:06

was in a strange surroundings. So

22:11

I immediately scanned the room for weapons. Anything

22:14

that I could use to protect myself. Just

22:17

in case. I

22:21

looked around, I saw some scissors, I saw

22:23

like a crochet needle or something. Out

22:26

of the corner of my eye, I saw him reach

22:28

down under the couch. Thinking that he

22:31

was getting a weed tray. I

22:34

looked away again and I look back at him. He

22:37

had a pair of flankscuffs in his hand. He

22:41

said, hey, you ever see

22:43

these before? I

22:46

thought, what? And he goes,

22:48

here, try them on. Jumped on

22:50

top of me. I

22:53

wrestled with him. And

22:55

then he pulled out a can of mace and he sprayed me

22:57

with mace. He

23:00

got the cuff around both my wrists. Just

23:04

as he took his hand off to pull the zip

23:06

tie, I pulled my hand out.

23:08

So we only zip tied around one hand. And

23:11

then I got around him and

23:13

got to the scissors. Just

23:16

as I grabbed the scissors, he grabbed me. So

23:21

I started stabbing him in the

23:23

face and head. He

23:26

had blood running down his face. I

23:29

thought I was going to die. One

23:32

minute, everything was cool. And the next minute, I

23:35

was fighting for my life. I

23:38

stabbed him a couple of times and they hit the arms and

23:40

were on my neck. And

23:43

I couldn't breathe. And so

23:45

he kicked me up. I

23:47

was dangling. Couldn't stab him anymore.

23:51

I just thought, well, what I'm going to do, I'm just going to

23:53

play head. I

23:56

dropped the scissors and I just went limp.

24:00

I'm not religious but actually I was praying.

24:05

Oh please God I don't wanna die. He

24:08

dropped me, he grabbed

24:10

me by the arm and he dragged me towards the

24:13

back of the apartment and

24:15

there was a bathroom right there. He walked in the bathroom, he

24:17

turned on the sink. He

24:19

walked out and he said, wash your face off. So

24:23

I immediately popped up, jumped

24:25

onto the rim of the bathtub because there was

24:27

a little window, two feet

24:29

wide by one foot deep. So

24:33

I looked out and I saw the concrete below

24:36

look down and thought, well, it's a long drop but I'm

24:38

doing it. Just

24:41

about to hoist myself up to do a somersault out

24:43

the window. And I

24:45

looked back and then

24:48

he said, here dry your face off. And

24:50

he had his arm through the bathroom door holding

24:53

a towel. I

24:56

sprang at the door and body blocked it

24:58

and smashed his arm into the door. So

25:01

he went, oh God, he backed up. That's

25:05

when I threw the door open and I saw

25:07

that he was on his butt in the hallway

25:09

and I jumped over his legs and ran to

25:11

the door. As

25:14

soon as I got to the door it

25:16

had a key lock on the inside and I thought,

25:18

oh my God, no, I bit it this far. I'm

25:21

not gonna make it. But

25:23

the door was open. I

25:26

opened the door and I ran outside and started

25:29

banging on the doors in the hallway. With

25:31

the young police, police, call the police,

25:35

ran down the stairs and I ran out.

25:37

I said, oh my God, oh my God.

25:41

There were two guys out throwing a football on

25:43

the street. I must have

25:45

looked crazy because I was wearing a bathing suit, had

25:48

a handcuff around one arm. Help

25:50

me, help me. They were like, what happened?

25:54

Some guy just tried to kidnap me and

25:57

they were like, where, where? They

26:01

were standing outside and they had cut the thing off my

26:03

wrist and got my stuff out of his car. The

26:07

guy tried to come out and leave and I

26:10

said, there's a dude right there. One

26:13

of the guys got in front of his car door and said,

26:15

you ain't going nowhere. He

26:17

turned around and went back upstairs. They

26:20

had called the police. The

26:22

police came, sirens and

26:24

everything, three cars deep. They

26:27

said, what happened? Well,

26:29

this guy upstairs just tried to kidnap me.

26:34

You know, I got mace all over me and everything.

26:38

They said, okay, well, we're going to go up there and talk to

26:40

him. He

26:43

was trying to say that I had tried to rob him.

26:46

I was the culprit. I

26:48

refuted the whole thing. I told him what

26:50

happened. They

26:52

didn't believe him, but they

26:55

said, well, for us to arrest him

26:57

because you're a juvenile, we have

26:59

to take you also. And

27:01

then your parents have to come down to the station to

27:04

press charges. My

27:06

parents would have to come because I was

27:08

underage because I was living on the street.

27:11

I was 16, too

27:13

young to be homeless, would

27:15

have gone to juvenile hall or whatever. And

27:18

I told them that's all right. Just forget it.

27:24

I always scared to death. They hitchhiked after that.

27:28

I still continue to hitchhike, just

27:30

a lot more careful about going into

27:32

any dwelling with whoever I'm with. If

27:37

I wouldn't have fought so hard, he

27:39

may have killed me, you know. I

27:42

feel like I escaped with my life. Four

27:46

or five years later, I came

27:49

back into Long Beach from

27:51

Texas and went to

27:53

my sister's house. My

27:56

sister and my mom had bought a house across

27:59

the street. from the apartment complex and maybe

28:01

two houses over. She

28:04

said, hey, I want you to introduce you to my husband. So

28:07

he came in and he was like, dude, I

28:12

know you. And

28:14

I was like, yeah, I

28:16

know you too. Was

28:18

the guy that was out in the street that day that helped

28:21

me. He

28:23

married my sister. It's

28:26

kind of embarrassing to meet somebody after somebody

28:28

tried to kidnap you. Don't

28:31

want to seem like a victim. I

28:33

didn't really want to be seen in that light. He

28:37

didn't know that the woman he was marrying would

28:39

be the brother of the guy

28:41

that he had helped so many years before. Well,

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know how that's possible. I

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mean, I got a flu shot this year. No, it

31:06

was legit. People

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administer shots out of the back of a van all the time. So

31:12

what if it was in the alley behind the Safeway? The

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31:17

selling tacos. Same

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31:25

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31:28

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31:34

how you know it's good. Anyway, we're all

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fine. Bless you. Bless you. Bless

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you, Voidy. Yeah, we'll

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