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Hello everyone, welcome back to another

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ADHD Women's Wellbeing Wisdom on your Sunday

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afternoon. Hopefully you're listening to this relaxing

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or gardening or walking or

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doing something you enjoy. And

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I'm sharing today an amazing guest. I

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was so profoundly honored to be able to

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interview at the time a 102 year old

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doctor. Her name

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was Dr. Gladys McCarry and

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she wrote an amazing book which I loved

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called The Well Lived Life. And

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I thought I have to have this person on the

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podcast. And I saw

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that there was definite neurodivergence there.

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She talks about her dyslexia, she

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talks about her difficulty in school,

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her need for being outside in

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nature, for adopting things in a

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different way, seeing things differently. And

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she did, she pioneered holistic medicine.

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She was open minded when Western

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medicine was shutting things down. And

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her wisdom is just incredible. And

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I wanted to share today a

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really fantastic episode. So

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you can really tap into her wisdom and

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how she sees the world. And I think

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after over a hundred years of being on

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this planet, this is wisdom that we can

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all take. So here is my conversation with

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Dr. Gladys McCarry. 102

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years, what does that mean? It

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just means to me that there has

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been one day after another, after

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another, after another, all

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these years when I've been

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learning stuff and growing

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and understanding and beginning

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to really appreciate

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the fact that I'm

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alive and that I'm

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the only one that can do what

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I'm doing. It's my job

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to do the job that I came here to

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do and to share that with

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others. And you tell

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the story that you were obviously held back

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in class and you felt stupid at

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the time that you were told that you couldn't move

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on and you had to be there. Stay the

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same. Class and we do it again. And

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you were diagnosed with dyslexia

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semi festival. I. Didn't even

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know the A days. You know these points

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for go about diagnosis: how old were you

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when you actually get sick? or it was

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dyslexia? Oh my,

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I may have been in

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medical school. I don't know

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because. The way it

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was was that of is just

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stupid you know. Season The

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Understanding. Was that I was a stupid

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girl in this is to in the class.

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And all the other kids. Middle.

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This on I was stupid to

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and let the teacher really did

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So I had to repeat first

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grade twice. It because I couldn't

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read the letters wouldn't stay in

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place. The numbers were john. All

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over the place it on I didn't

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understand that was full and on the

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bless part of this whole thing. Is

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doubtless my schooling. But.

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I. Have a home

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for. It. Was completely

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different at that place or we

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lived when this was in the

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Himalayas. And the school

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was a thousand seat down. From

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where we lived and a

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miles so every day I

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went up and down that

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walk. But in the process

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of walking up to the

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place where we lived, I

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was able to somehow let

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the rest of this foolishness

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goal. But. Climb

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up to where I was

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accepted. People. Understood me?

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my idea. Who is

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see a like the

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nanny? Total bundle of

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loves she couldn't read,

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she couldn't write. She

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had sued to East's

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This Indian Woman Amazingly.

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to me she was it up the

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epitome of love and she'd see me

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coming up the hill and she'd

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reach out her arm and she'd

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say, she'd yell down to

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me as I'm coming in, is it

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or ow, come here. And

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so I would go over and tuck in under

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her shawl and stay there

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until I

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could let all that stuff go and become

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who I really was feeling who I

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was. So it was that juxtaposition

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of who are you and what are

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you and this kind of thing. But

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that kind of scarring from being

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told you're that kind of stupid

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person is the kind

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of bruising to the

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psyche of people

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that is hidden

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and we don't really know. Like

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gaslighting. Right, it's

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there, it colors

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your life from there on and I

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didn't accept that or understand

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that that was real in my

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life until much later.

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So the actual diagnosing

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what I had came much

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much later than what

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I really had. In

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fact, when we started American Holistic

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Medical Association, there

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were 10 of us sitting around

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the table who had

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been really reaching for what

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it was that we were we

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thought was the

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heart of medicine. And

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of the 10 of us, six

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of us were dyslexic. I've

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come up with what I

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call the five L's. I

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had to have some kind of structure in which to

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form which

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I could you

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know extend the thinking

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that I was doing. So

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I came up with these five L's. The first

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is life. If we

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don't have life, we don't have anything.

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You know, it's like a seed in

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the pyramid. It's there

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for 5,000 years, and it doesn't

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do anything. Until water

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and sunlight

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and caring from

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someplace else, is

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accepted by that seed, the

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shell cracks, and

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life starts. It's

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had all the energy of

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the universe stuck within

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that shell until love

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activates it. When

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love activates it, then

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it moves and grows and

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does what it can. So love and life

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are integrals to each other. If

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we're going to live without

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love, we've got a real problem. But

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if we live with life, life

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is, oh, it's

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a while. The second,

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so those two go together.

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Life and love are integrals

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to each other. The

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third one is laughter. Laughter

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without love is, you

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know, it's being, it's cruel,

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it's really not

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nice. But laughter

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with love is joy and happiness.

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And the fourth is drudgery. I

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mean, the fourth L is labor. Labor

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without love is drudgery.

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It's too many diapers. I have to,

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I got to go to work. That's

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just, you know, it's dragging this load.

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It's just too hard. But

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labor with love is

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bliss. It's why you

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do what you're doing. It's why I do it. It's

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why singers sing, why painters

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paint. It's that

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inner life that.

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is there that needs to

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be expressed. It's reaching

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out. It is bliss. And

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the fifth one is

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listening. Listening without

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love is empty sound. You

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just don't get it. You know,

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it's just empty sound. But listening

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with love is understanding. But

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what is it for you? Do you believe that has

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been your life force, that has

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been that continual element

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to you that has kept you going for this

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long? Well, I

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think you mentioned earlier gratitude

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because I am

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so grateful. I have no

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idea how come I've lived this long.

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But I'm grateful for it. When my

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daughter and I were doing a lecture

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together one time after the

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lecture, people did this a

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lot. They came up and they were asking

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me what my secret

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was or something. And I was trying

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to come up with something cute or

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funny or something. And I couldn't come

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up with anything. But I

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got my daughter's elbow and

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she punched me and she says, oh,

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mom, you do so on. You

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dwell in gratitude. And

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I said, yes, that's right. Because she was able

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to put it into words, which I

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had been kind of shuffling off. It's

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the matter of understanding

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that we each one of us

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have a voice that needs

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to be heard. And

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if all the time

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I was deflecting my voice and saying,

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you know, well, Bill,

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it wasn't Dr.

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Bill and Dr. Gladys. It was

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Bill and Gladys. I was the end on. And

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I accepted that. Everybody accepted that.

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Nobody questioned it.

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But it was only after I've

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found my own voice and

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began to claim what

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it was that I was saying that

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I began to really

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honor the fact that

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my voice was real. And

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of course, this is what my book is about.

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It's the reality of

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what I've finally, after

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years of talking about it and

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working with it and claiming it and so

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on, finally being able

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to put it down so that I

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think it makes sense for other people too.

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And because that was the

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intention. The title

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isn't a well-lived life,

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which is my life. It's the well-lived

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life of the person who's reading it.

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And how they're going to take this and use

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it. So

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I hope you enjoyed listening to this

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shorter episode of the ADHD

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Women's Wellbeing Podcast. I called it the

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ADHD Women's Wellbeing Wisdom because I believe

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there's so much wisdom in the

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guests that I have on and their insights.

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So sometimes we just need that little bit of

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a reminder. I hope that is helped you today

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and look forward to seeing you back on the

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brand new episode on Thursday. Have a good rest

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of your week. Bye.