We talk about our upcoming adventure, a hiking trip in England. Plus we discuss a big writing announcement, and debate the question of whether and why we might want to push ourselves to take an interest in some lighthearted subject.Get in touch: podcast@gretchenrubin.comFollow on social media:@GretchenRubin on YouTube@GretchenRubin on TikTok@GretchenRubin on Instagram@GretchenRubin on Threads@LizCraft on Instagram@LizCraft on ThreadsGet the podcast show notes by email every week: happiercast.com/shownotesGet Gretchen Rubin’s newest New York Times bestselling book Life in Five Senses to see how she discovered a surprising path to a life of more energy, creativity, luck, and love: by tuning in to the five senses. Now available wherever books are sold.Visit Gretchen's website to learn more about Gretchen's best-selling books, products from The Happiness Project Collection, and the Happier app. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices