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we're here for more happier a

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We are here for some weekend listening. We're

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kicking back with a little bit of a

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loose survive. Hey Elizabeth Hi Gretchen today We'll

1:29

talk about how excited we are for our

1:31

upcoming Hiking trip in

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so It's

2:00

super fun to have a big sale

2:02

like this. Yay. Okay, but Lizeth, now

2:04

what is making us more happier? And

2:07

this time, I think the same thing

2:09

is making both of us more happier.

2:11

Gretsch, the thing that's making both of

2:13

us more happier is prepping for our

2:15

trip to England. Yeah, we're going. It's

2:17

happening. I know we both put it

2:20

on our 24 for 24 list and

2:22

we're actually making it happen. I

2:26

kind of can't believe it. I'm

2:28

still waiting for something to happen.

2:30

I know, I know. Yeah. Well, so

2:33

we're partnering with Wilderness England and, Elizabeth,

2:35

I'm really happy that we're doing this

2:37

with a guide. Oh, yeah. It's a

2:39

big trip and you had the whole

2:41

thing about comfort versus adventure and that

2:44

if somebody else is taking charge, then

2:46

you can lean more into the adventure.

2:48

And so I think both of us

2:50

were craving a big adventure and craving

2:52

a challenge someplace new, a

2:55

different country and this would

2:57

have been unthinkable. If we didn't have a guide and

3:00

a plan to join, we couldn't have

3:02

this kind of adventure. So this is

3:04

exciting that we're doing this. So if

3:06

anyone hasn't heard us talk about this

3:08

Gretsch, and we are going to the

3:10

country in England, we're going to the

3:12

Lake District and Northumberland. And

3:15

every day we will

3:17

take these epic long

3:19

English walks where we

3:21

see things and we

3:23

tramp through fields and

3:25

mud and it may

3:27

be raining some of the time. So there's a

3:29

lot of rain here involved. Yes,

3:32

but it's sort of taken over our

3:35

lives figuring out what do we need,

3:37

where to get it, what size.

3:39

I watched a YouTube video on how

3:42

to properly lace your hiking boots. Oh,

3:45

because I thought, you know, I bet

3:48

there's a trick to this and you know what

3:50

there is. So I'm sure the guide will be

3:52

like, hey, there's a better way to

3:54

lace up your hiking boots. But as I'm breaking

3:56

them in, I thought I might

3:58

as well try to have. them on in the

4:01

best possible way while I'm breaking them in.

4:03

Well, Gretsch, we need to have a side

4:05

conversation because I am at a loss

4:07

with my hiking boots. I have now

4:10

bought and returned the same boots three

4:12

times because I keep veering between a

4:14

nine and a nine and a half.

4:17

So I don't know what to do because they

4:19

say the hiking boots should be a half size

4:21

bigger. And yet it

4:24

feels so odd to me to have

4:26

the half size bigger that then I go back

4:29

to the nine, but then I read

4:31

it again, that it should be a half size bigger.

4:33

So I got the nine and a half. So right

4:35

now I have one size and another one I've ordered.

4:37

Well, and I need to make my decision. I am

4:39

no expert, but from what I heard when I bought

4:42

my hiking boots, and then also what I saw online

4:44

is one is it should

4:46

feel like you can wiggle your toe, but

4:48

your foot shouldn't slide around. Well, that would

4:50

go to the nine. Okay, and then how

4:52

thick is your sock? Because if it's a

4:54

little bit big, apparently you can do that

4:57

with your sock or maybe you could put

4:59

an insole in if you need to just have

5:01

it a little bit. I don't know if this is

5:03

terrible advice, but I did run into something about this.

5:05

Because I was worried that mine were too big because

5:08

they feel big. They're not as snug as I would

5:10

usually have it. But my feet are

5:12

not slipping around and your feet swell. So that's the other

5:14

thing is you want to have the room for the swelling

5:16

and you don't want the black toe from

5:18

it hitting the end. Yes, so Gretsch, that's

5:20

kind of the unfun part of prepping is

5:22

my back and forth on the hiking boots.

5:25

No, I feel your pain. It feels like

5:27

a very big commitment. That's the thing. It

5:29

is a big commitment, yes. But we're having

5:31

a great time thinking about it and fantasizing

5:33

about ourselves. Our father recommended Rick Steves' documentary.

5:36

He does all these sort of travel documentaries.

5:38

So I watched the Rick Steves' documentary. That

5:40

was interesting. I'll put a link to that

5:42

and I'll send you the link Elizabeth. It's

5:45

interesting. I was thinking about trying

5:47

to read books that get me in the

5:49

mood. And one book, because we're going to

5:51

Hadrian's Wall, I'm going to reread

5:53

The Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliffe,

5:55

which is a children's book, which I've read

5:57

and I remember really enjoying it. If I'm

5:59

remembering, it is set at Hadrian's Wall. So I've

6:01

been sort of meaning to reread it anyway. And I

6:03

thought, okay, I'll make sure that I reread it before

6:05

we go. Because the more you know, the

6:07

more you notice. If you bring more to it, you get more

6:09

from it. So prep will pay

6:12

off. Yeah, if anyone has recommendations, novels

6:14

that we should read that take place

6:16

in this area. Well, the

6:18

Lake District is like famed in song

6:20

and story and poetry. So, yes. Yes,

6:22

Wordsworth, it's Wordsworth country. Yeah, comes up

6:24

a lot. One thing I think we

6:26

should do before we go is think

6:28

about what kind of big thoughts are

6:30

we going to have? Like, are we going

6:32

to do podcast planning? Are

6:35

we going to think about our lives? It

6:37

feels we need to do some major thinking.

6:39

Oh, well, yeah. Well, this is leading into

6:41

something I've been meaning to tell you. So,

6:44

okay, that will be coming up in a

6:46

minute. But yeah, Elizabeth, we're coming up on

6:48

our 500th episode. So

6:51

that's a catalyst for reflection. Yeah,

6:53

let's think about big thoughts, big conversations that

6:55

we want to have. While we're having this

6:58

cool adventure. It's going to be so fun.

7:00

Yeah, one thing I'm excited about too, is

7:02

we'll be with other people. Yes. And

7:05

I always love meeting people in

7:07

this sort of circumstance. You love

7:09

that. Elizabeth, you're so good at

7:11

that. You like serendipity in connection

7:13

and engagement. Yes, I just find

7:15

it fascinating to see, you know,

7:17

why is someone here? What's their

7:19

deal? Who are they with? But

7:21

this is one of the things why

7:23

I think you and Sarah like the happier in Hollywood

7:25

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7:28

that kind of thing. This is sort of a

7:30

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7:33

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7:35

all of a sudden, but very well, because

7:37

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7:39

It is fun. It's a fun way to

7:41

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7:43

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7:45

out of the grooves of your own life.

7:47

Yeah, I think it'll really feed our soul,

7:50

so to speak, to do this. I think

7:52

it will, and tire our feet, which

7:54

hopefully will be well shod by the time we

7:56

go. Yes, hopefully I

7:58

will make the right. decision. And

8:01

yes, because I need to start breaking these in. But

8:03

do you have like, do you have like a really

8:05

outdoorsy friend or you could just like drive over and

8:07

be like, please help me? That's a

8:09

good question. I didn't think about that. And

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believe me, I've been grilling the people at

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they're always like, it comes down to what

8:18

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I don't feel qualified to make this

8:22

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8:25

my foot and measure the boot or like

8:27

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8:29

and just tell me? And they're like,

8:31

well, it's subjective. Yes. So

8:33

we'll have to have a whole

8:35

side conversation. Okay. Yes. All

8:38

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right, Gretchen, what have you been meaning to tell

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11:04

big conversations that we want to have over the

11:06

summer, I have been meaning to tell you that

11:08

I have decided that I

11:11

am going to do some sort

11:14

of project around what

11:16

I am rebranding as the open door

11:18

phase of life. So the first step

11:20

in this was saying, so my younger

11:22

daughter, Eleanor, we have her move-in date,

11:24

which is August 22nd. So

11:27

now that feels very real because now there is a date on the

11:29

calendar that's Eleanor, move in. I'm

11:31

wrapping my mind around that and I'm

11:33

just very excited to explore it. And

11:35

you know, for me, it's always research

11:38

is me-search. And this

11:40

is kind of like the happiness project where

11:42

I started thinking about it and talking to

11:44

people about it. And then the more I

11:46

talk to people about it and think about

11:48

it and read about it, hearing from everybody

11:50

about different metaphors for the empty nest, coming

11:52

up with the open door, thinking about what

11:54

did the open door mean generally, what did

11:56

it mean for me, what did it mean for other people? It's

11:59

just got me really excited. to go deeper into

12:01

this and make something bigger out of it,

12:03

not just a segment here and

12:05

there or like an article on my website,

12:07

but give myself the room to think it through and to

12:09

really explore it. I've been saying for years when this

12:11

time of life comes, Gretchen, you have to write about

12:13

it. Well, you are my sister to Sage,

12:15

Alyssa, so I have to say as I was thinking about

12:18

whether this was a good idea, I was thinking, well, you

12:20

know, Alyssa's has always been telling me that I should do

12:22

something with us. And you know me better than probably anybody,

12:24

so. Well, I mean, and I'm

12:26

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12:29

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12:31

in four years. My

12:33

sister-in-law, Michelle and her

12:35

husband, Tim, they are now in

12:37

this phase and she's calling it

12:40

re-nesting because she's sort of

12:42

recreating the home in a new fashion, which I

12:44

thought was very poetic. Well, see, I'll write that

12:46

down and add it to my notes because that's

12:48

one of the things I'm really excited about is

12:51

like talking to people and how are they approaching

12:53

it? And you know me, I love a category.

12:55

I'm starting to see, it's like book versus tree,

12:57

that thing about how people think about their lives.

13:00

I'm starting to see different categories and how people

13:02

fit into it and how they approach it differently

13:04

and how you wanna frame it and change

13:06

it and how I wanna frame it and

13:08

change it. I just went to my reunion

13:10

and then a week later, Jamie's reunion. So

13:13

I was talking to a lot of people

13:15

who are my age exactly. So

13:17

I was asking people, how are you thinking

13:19

about this? And some of them were not

13:21

in this stage, they'd already gone through it

13:23

or they were coming up to it, but

13:26

a lot of people, it was right around.

13:28

And it was fascinating to hear people's reflections,

13:30

their challenges, how they thought about it. Here's

13:32

a real rain. It's just like everything. People

13:35

have really different perspectives and I

13:38

find it endlessly fascinating to

13:40

explore people's different attitudes

13:42

toward it. And I love a

13:44

catalyst for reflection. And sometimes it's

13:46

like January 1st or it's halfway day,

13:48

but sometimes it's a life stage. And

13:51

this is a funny life stage because it's like, at

13:53

least for me, there's actually a date on

13:55

which this happens. Sometimes transitions are subtle and

13:57

you only recognize them in hindsight or they...

13:59

fold over time, but at least

14:01

I can conceive of this as something that will

14:04

happen like in the space of

14:06

a few hours. Yeah, and one thing

14:08

I think is interesting is some people

14:10

look forward to this and they can't wait for

14:13

the day and they're just like, oh, yay,

14:15

freedom. Free bird. And

14:18

other people dread

14:20

it and are preparing to

14:22

be crying for

14:24

days and to be sad.

14:26

And so it's interesting, again,

14:28

to the reframing how

14:30

people feel differently about this. Okay, but

14:33

here's a question that I'm really curious

14:35

to explore. Are people good

14:37

at predicting their response? Because one of the

14:39

things they say in happiness generally is they

14:42

call it hedonic forecasting. How good are we

14:44

at anticipating what will or will not make

14:46

us happier? Like, do we do a good

14:48

job of that? And what the research shows

14:50

is no, we're not very good at that.

14:52

We're not very good at predicting what's gonna

14:55

influence our happiness and how. But

14:57

of course, what you expect often shapes what

14:59

you do experience and it's what you focus

15:01

your attention on. But it might be

15:03

that if you're anticipating that it's gonna be really hard,

15:05

you might really shore yourself up and take a lot

15:08

of steps that then make it

15:10

easier. Or if you anticipate that it's gonna be

15:12

great, you might be then surprised if it's harder

15:14

than you expect. Or maybe people are

15:16

good because this is something that they've been thinking

15:18

about and that they're familiar with. And

15:20

so anyway, that's one of the things that I'm really curious about, which is are

15:23

people's preconceptions of what they

15:25

will experience accurate? Now, probably a lot of

15:28

people are like me, where I'm like, it's

15:30

gonna be bittersweet. It's gonna be a mix

15:32

of things. I'm gonna have a lot of

15:34

emotions and they're probably gonna change

15:36

hour to hour, day to day for a while until

15:39

I settle into it. But maybe not.

15:41

I don't know. Well, you know, one thing mom

15:43

said to me, because years ago I asked her,

15:45

I was already thinking about this. So

15:48

I said, was it hard when I left?

15:50

Of course, we had such a gap

15:52

that she had a kid at home for a

15:54

lot longer once you were out of the house.

15:57

And I said, was it hard when you actually had...

16:00

that empty nest. And she said, I don't

16:02

know if I've told you this, she

16:04

said, well, you know, by the time

16:07

you left, you were already gone. Yeah,

16:09

I've heard that. And it's true. It's

16:11

like, she's like, you were already making

16:14

your own plans, doing your thing with

16:16

your friends. Yeah. So I thought that

16:18

was such an interesting insight that you're

16:21

kind of preparing for this before it

16:23

happens. And that's a good thing. Kids

16:25

need to start getting their independence before

16:28

they actually leave the house. Right. Well,

16:30

I have to say, because Eleanor took a gap year, we did

16:32

have this thing where she would leave for a long time, but

16:34

then she would come back for a while and then she would

16:36

leave. And so it felt like she was going and coming back.

16:39

But I do wonder if, and again, I

16:41

will find out, I wonder if psychologically it

16:43

will feel different because it's a major milestone

16:46

where, I don't

16:48

know, I'm going to be really curious. I'm going

16:50

to put that in my notes and sort of

16:53

be studying myself under the magnifying glass to see.

16:55

And it'll just be interesting to see how Jamie

16:57

feels. If you guys feel differently. It's going to

16:59

be very interesting to see how Jamie feels.

17:01

I could see him not spending a lot

17:03

of time thinking about it beforehand and then

17:06

it happened and him kind of having a

17:08

big reaction. I can too. So interesting. Okay.

17:10

So there's a project in the works. Great.

17:12

I haven't exactly decided what format that's going

17:14

to take. I always think about, oh, a

17:16

book, but maybe it won't be a book.

17:19

Maybe it'll be a different kind of format.

17:21

There's a lot of possibilities there, but I'm

17:23

excited. Me too. All right,

17:25

Gretch, what is our spotlight on a tool

17:27

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17:30

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17:32

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17:35

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17:37

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17:39

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17:41

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17:43

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17:45

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17:47

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17:49

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17:52

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17:54

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17:57

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17:59

If. you have a picture

18:01

of your summer adventures. Elizabeth, we love seeing

18:03

people's summer adventures. Yes, we

18:05

do. And by the way, Gretch, I did

18:07

spin the wheel this morning and I got

18:10

Make a Five Senses Portrait of Summer, which

18:12

I love. That was so great.

18:14

I think everybody should do that. I did that.

18:16

I did that. I did it for summers past

18:18

and present. And it was so fun. In fact,

18:20

Elizabeth, I should show it to you because probably

18:22

a lot of them are gonna be, I'll let

18:24

you do your own and then we'll compare. Sounds

18:26

good. And Gretch, we all love to spin a

18:29

wheel. A wheel wants to spin, as Kevin

18:31

says in the office. Pam, a

18:33

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18:36

can always bring it back to the office, Gretch.

18:38

It is my superpower. All

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21:32

right, Gretch, we're back. What have you been

21:34

meaning to ask me? Okay, this is sort

21:37

of not a philosophical question, but it's sort

21:39

of a larger question, which is, I've

21:41

been thinking about the fact that I wish I had

21:44

something that I was

21:46

really interested in that I followed

21:48

that had like fun news. So

21:50

I'm thinking about the way Jamie

21:52

follows sports or the way you

21:54

follow Real Housewives, because there's always

21:57

something new to be interested in.

24:00

Well, when you were deep into your

24:02

Game of Thrones phase or Harry Potter

24:04

phase, that would have been a time.

24:06

Okay, so this is a great point,

24:08

okay? Because this is something you've connected

24:11

two dots for me here. Because

24:13

you know that I've said that one of the

24:15

things I wanna do is the next time there's

24:17

like a major cultural phenomenon that I think I

24:19

could be interested in, I should follow it in

24:21

real time. Yes. I should have

24:23

watched Succession the way you did, in real time.

24:26

I should have watched Mad Men, when everybody else

24:28

was watching Mad Men, instead of years

24:30

later the way that I did. Because looking back, I'm like,

24:32

there were all these blogs and podcasts and there was a

24:35

lot of discussion and I would have loved it but I

24:37

was out of step. So then it was

24:39

all over. And so I think you're right, I think

24:41

the next, and you helped me spot this,

24:43

for some reason, I just am not good

24:45

at staying abreast of things. And I should,

24:48

I wish there were something, well,

24:50

did I do that with Game of Thrones? I think

24:52

that I was more in step with. Well, you did

24:54

listen to Binge Mode. I love Binge Mode, but that's

24:56

a great example. That's why I love Binge Mode so

24:59

much. Exactly, that podcast. So that's

25:01

a really good idea. Maybe it's that I

25:03

can't make myself do it, but that I

25:05

could hop on an opportunity and not let

25:07

it pass. Or like Breaking

25:09

Bad and Better Call Saul. I

25:11

ended up loving those shows, but I

25:14

didn't participate in the culture of those

25:16

shows at the time. Well,

25:18

let me ask you this, you love

25:20

perfume. It may be on Facebook that

25:22

there are some amazing perfume, Facebook groups

25:24

that you would just enjoy checking out.

25:28

No, but so I'll tell you why this doesn't work

25:30

as well with reading and with perfume. Because

25:32

with perfume, it's very frustrating because the only

25:34

way you can experience a perfume is going

25:36

to a store that carries it and smelling

25:38

it. And so reading about perfume is very

25:40

tantalizing, but it's kind of annoying. And I

25:43

don't know why this isn't the same with

25:45

food because same thing with food. Maybe

25:47

it's because with food, you have an idea. You

25:49

know what carrots taste like or eating, but I

25:51

don't know what CK1 smells like unless I've smelled

25:53

it. And so it's actually kind of frustrating for

25:55

me because then I'm like writing down lists and

25:57

lists and lists of things that I wanna go.